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Russians in the Turkish national psyche

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Selim Koru writes from Turkey: "Erdogan shot down the Moskof plane. We all saw him fall in the sky of the Levant. To avoid this, he cannot apologize. This will be a violation of the promise to tens of millions who never stopped dreaming of the Empire." A young man, sitting opposite, leans towards me and says: “After all these years, we shot down the plane”. His eyes widen: "And, brother, this is Moskof plane!". He looks into the blue sky, smiles and thinks about this pleasant thought.


In Turkish public consciousness, the term “Moskof” has a share of ridicule and contempt - and, at the same time, fear. Moskof is not like the “Rum” (Greek) - a former serf who occasionally bully, but whom you cannot beat, just as you can not beat a younger brother. He also does not look like an Arab, who is stabbing a Bedouin with a knife, who likes to sleep too much and is not capable of doing any harm if, of course, the Englishman doesn’t feel it. No, Moskof occupies a very special place in the pantheon of Turkish enemies. This is a big, hairy bear hanging over a Turkish house. And from time to time he rushes at us, in all its godless wildness.

He bit off the first piece in 1783, defeating the Turkish fleet and taking away Crimea, the native home of Muslims and Turkic Tatars. In the next century, we lost one Balkan province after another, and Russia supported our enemies. The Russians saw the conquest of Constantinople as their historical mission, not only because they need a warm port in winter, but also because Constantinople, or Constantinople, as they called it, was the historical capital of their religion. They would have captured him, if not for the French and British intervention. The Europeans and the French feared that Russia would become too powerful on a diet consisting of swallowed pieces of the Ottoman Empire. Therefore, in 1853 they entered into an alliance with the Turks and barely managed to stop the king’s armies. As a result, the slow and painful decline of the Ottoman Empire had a billion reasons, but the Turks did not forget who started it all.

World War I was a chance Moskof to complete his work. He incited the Armenians, oppressed by the Ottoman regime, to a full-scale revolt. This episode remained a scar not only in the perception of Turkey by its neighbors, but also in how the Turks perceive themselves. By World War II, rivalry was already developing between the USSR and the Republic of Turkey. Formally, they were on one side, Turkey joined the allies at the end of the war. But when it ended, Stalin refused to renew the Russian-Turkish non-aggression pact, and began to breathe in the back of the head of Ankara, demanding more freedom for Russian ships when passing through the Turkish Straits, as well as putting forward territorial requirements for some Turkish eastern provinces. The pressure intensified, with the Black Sea fleet as a tool for demonstrating strength. In the end, Truman was forced to accept Turkey into the western camp, and in 1952 into NATO. This gave Ankara some relief and protection from Russian aggression. But in the following decades, Moskof started other games.

During the Cold War, the Leftist intelligentsia appeared in Turkey, under the strongest Soviet influence. The most famous of its representative was the poet Nazim Hikmet. These people were opposed by Komünizimle Mücadele Derneği (Association for War with Communism), founded in 1948 under the slogan: “Communists to Moscow!”. The association has become a living testimony to the power of communism, which could unite under one flag Turkish nationalists and Islamists - a feat that could not be repeated after the death of the Soviet Union. The war between the right and the left continued for several generations, everything became especially bad in 70's when the campuses of universities turned into battlefields between nationalists - “fascists” and communists - Moskof uşağı (Moscow puppets). In 1980, the military organized a coup - in order to stop it once and for all.

The military brutally suppressed both nationalists and communists - their political activity was undermined for decades to come. Since the Islamists didn’t stand out too much, they got less, and they continued their work. For the generation of young Islamists - Tayepa Erdogan, Abdullah Gul, Bulent Arench - the fight against atheistic Moscow was similar to the fight against the all-pervading secular state: it was primarily a fight for the spirit of the nation.

The Cold War finally brought Moscow to its knees. Turkish right made a bet on the right team. The Islamists - now well-organized and funded, have gained extraordinary influence - for the first time in the history of the Republic. At 94, they won regional elections, and at 2002 they formed a majority government. Since then, the Justice and Development Party has won four general elections.

The government has reduced the views of the Islamists to the world around, and, in particular, to the northern neighbor. Economic relations developed, and Russia became the second largest trading partner of Turkey. The Russian armies again came to warm ports - but this time they paid good money for staying at the resorts of Marmara and Antalya. Erdogan, meanwhile, established good relations with Putin and distanced himself from the EU.

As a result, the 2000's generation has grown, hearing “Moskof” only from grumpy grandmothers shouting: “put on a vest and don’t rush around my house like the bloody Moskof!”

But in order for the old hostility to go, more than one generation is needed. Those who pay attention to what is happening, have seen Moscow sharpen their teeth about their co-religionists in Chechnya, and, most recently, in the Crimea. And now the beast is on the other side of the war in Syria, it is tearing apart Muslim-Turkmen.

Only now a hero has appeared who speaks to the Turks - the centuries of decline have ended. Erdogan promises a new rise, recalls the glory of past victories and conquests, and promises that “New Turkey” will take its rightful place - the dominant power of the region.

And now, Erdogan shot down the plane Moskof. We all saw him fall in the sky of Levant. So as not to happen, he cannot apologize. This will be a violation of the promise to tens of millions who have never stopped dreaming of the Empire.
Originator:
http://warontherocks.com/2015/12/the-russian-in-turkish-public-consciousness/
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  1. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 17 December 2015 17: 23 New
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    By the way, who is watching sports today is straightforward with two Turks
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 17 December 2015 17: 28 New
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      The Turks will not get rid of tomatoes for the downed plane ... Putin clearly said! We can wait a moment ... Revenge is a cold dish! hi
      Answer Constantinople!
      1. sever.56
        sever.56 17 December 2015 17: 31 New
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        1. 34 region
          34 region 17 December 2015 17: 48 New
          +8
          Nice joke. And if you push not only with weapons, but economically? What can we oppose them economically? What kind of products do we supply them that is ours only? Only in Mosselprom, as Mayakovsky wrote.
          1. kenig1
            kenig1 17 December 2015 17: 55 New
            +5
            Sunflower oil, the wheat from which the Turks make flour and sell it.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 17 December 2015 18: 35 New
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              I think that Erdogan's CULT OF PERSONALITY sounded in this Turkish article, erected for him by the hands of ISLAMIC Turkish nationalists, will not help Turkey, in principle, again become the Ottoman Empire.
              The medieval religion and the technological progress of society are objectively - in its very principle (!) - not compatible for the stable and prosperous self-sufficient existence of the state. Turkey must remain a secular state. And for Erdogan, secular leaders are his ideological enemies and a source of contention within the country, which he will brutally destroy in the Führes! Which he already does.
              1. Asadullah
                Asadullah 17 December 2015 19: 16 New
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                will not help Turkey, in principle, again become the Ottoman Empire.


                It is necessary to look at what such an Empire can give such an inhabitant. This is very clearly seen in the emigration indicator. America built the Empire, having managed to provide a high standard of living, and now there are aspirations from all over the world. Europe has created a high level of social protection and emigrants also rushed there. What has Turkey created and who wants to go there? Azerbaijan is economically ahead of the Turks, salaries are higher there and ties with "Empire" are mainly related to business. Turkmens there are like tongue-tied poor relatives and only those who speak Russian at resort jobs are valued. The same applies to all the Turks of the CIS. Turkey can become a centripetal object only in case of very high development. But reliance on Islamists of modern (Bedouin) interpretation can only hinder the prosperity and development of the country. From that, they will all die along with their dream. Great Turan can arise only on Mars, if air is pumped there, and the Almighty will transfer all the Turks there in a wave of his hand.
                1. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 17 December 2015 20: 09 New
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                  Erdogan came to power on nationalism. All his campaign ads are promoting the Turkish flag and the empire. That is, he does what we do - the flowering of patriotism - but the goals and history of Turkey are incompatible. After all, the "father of the nation" Ataturk is respected primarily because he turned Turkey into a secular state. This gave rise to the economy and society. And nationalism and Islamic patriotism will genetically lead Turkey to the darkest sharia.
                  So the bear still has to knock the dope out of the Ottomans.
                  1. bif
                    17 December 2015 22: 11 New
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                    Quote: Botanologist
                    So the bear still has to knock the dope out of the Ottomans.

                    "The Turkish edition of Zaman reports that Russian air support and incessant air strikes against Jabal-Turkman have brought the resistance of the Turkmen rebel brigades in Bayir Buchak, Latakia, to the brink of collapse.

                    In recent days, Syrian forces have established control on 4 by large villages. Rebel commander killed in Jabal ha Turkaman. The area is completely lost to the opposition, the remnants of the rebels will be dumped into the Mediterranean Sea.

                    Syrian army could break through to areas controlled by Kurdish police PYD. In this case, the opposition will completely lose control over the entire border with Turkey (911 km) - with the exception of the approximately 90 km section, which is controlled by ISIS.

                    According to the Turkmen, the bombing has been going on continuously, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, from the moment the Turks shot down a Russian plane. Seven planes attack during the day, two at night. One of the militants told Zaman: “Believe me, it takes superhuman ability to endure this. Our strength has dried up ”..."
                    http://perevodika.ru/articles/189262.html
                  2. -Traveller-
                    -Traveller- 17 December 2015 22: 17 New
                    +2
                    finally Ataturk is just the most concrete nationalist, I would even say - a Nazi. at that time, he decided to step over Islam because, like other Young Turks, he saw a brake in him. modern Islam, by contrast, is now the most "high-octane" ideology, and it would be foolish not to use it to the Turkish authorities. over the decades of nationalist Turkey, the Turks overcame their main problem - the paucity. the nation has grown 10 times. hence the revival of imperial ambitions. Erdogan only caught the wave.
                  3. 78bor1973
                    78bor1973 18 December 2015 03: 47 New
                    +2
                    Ataturk seems to spin in the other world like a spinning top!
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          2. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 17 December 2015 18: 04 New
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            Recently, Old read how our government revised its positions on the trade embargo a little. This was caused by the fact that part of the assembled car cars are equipped with spare parts made in Turkey. Someone commented that the local spare parts and European car factories are buying. So not everything is clear.
            1. Egor Sergeevich
              Egor Sergeevich 17 December 2015 18: 14 New
              +5
              Turkish spare parts can be replaced within 15-20 minutes !!!! Europeans do not buy - they have their own factories there!
          3. veksha50
            veksha50 17 December 2015 18: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: Region 34
            And if you push not only with weapons, but economically?


            А WE they didn’t put pressure on them and didn’t push ... the opposite is true .... Straits are in their hands ... Black Sea Fleet without straits is a sprat in a bank ... Well, except for those ships that can be missiles from the Black Sea get someone's territory ...

            Economically? In addition to closing the hoses of the spa guests - and nothing seems to be ...
            And so, in addition to tomato lemons, well, some of the refrigerator-washing machines we sell ... minuscule ...
            Who knows the structure of our trade with Turkey? If there is material, enlighten, please, can Russia economically nip Turkey ...
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            4. starley
              starley 17 December 2015 18: 40 New
              +4
              from permanently closed cans not weak butulism the Turks will have
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            6. Eragon
              Eragon 17 December 2015 19: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: veksha50
              Black Sea Fleet without straits - sprat in the bank ...

              Sorry, but seriously, the closed straits for the Black Sea Fleet are the ruins of the Turkish defensive infrastructure of these straits and their multi-ship, but "trough" fleet, even in comparison with the outdated Black Sea Fleet.
            7. -Traveller-
              -Traveller- 18 December 2015 01: 45 New
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              Quote: veksha50
              If there is material, enlighten, please, can Russia nip Turkey economically

              maybe by blocking the blue stream, there are no other strong levers. I don’t know, however, what kind of penalties Gazprom will fly into, but the blow to Turkish industry will be substantial, such as undermining the power transmission line for the Crimea. because Turkey’s power plants are mainly gas and hydropower plants. the private sector uses solar panels to a large extent.
              Turks will partially be able to compensate for the loss of Russian gas through LNG, because they have 2 large terminals underloaded - Qatar will help. plus, they will be forced to launch a gas pipeline from Iraqi Kurdistan in emergency mode (it seems like it is technically ready, although the deadlines were for 2017) - is that why the Turks advanced to Iraq?
              plus they will launch tanap as quickly as possible, but hardly before 2017.
            8. OMEDB
              OMEDB 18 December 2015 09: 45 New
              0
              There are also Lassa car tires - this is a subsidiary of Bridgestone, a plant in Turkey, has been supplying Russia for a long time and a lot, although it is unlikely that the rejection of these products will play any role request
          4. anfil
            anfil 17 December 2015 19: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: Region 34
            What kind of products do we supply them that is ours only? Only in Mosselprom, as Mayakovsky wrote.


            Gas!

            - The economic interests of Russia and Turkey dictate the need for continued cooperation. Russia has made a number of decisions, which can be called sanctions against Turkey. However, gas supplies are the main component of our economic relations.

            The Turkish market is important for Russia, especially against the background of a reduction in energy supplies to Europe. In the Asia-Pacific region, our prospects are uncertain. Therefore, it would be extremely unreasonable to stop or even drastically reduce Turkey’s gas supply from Russia.

            “However, by slightly tightening the valve, we could make Turkey think even harder whether it is worth shooting down Russian planes ...”

            - Yes, the suspension of gas supplies to Turkey would greatly impact the Turkish economy. But we, among other things, would have suffered reputation damage. We would give carte blanche to those who shout that Russia is using energy as a means of pressure. And this would play into the hands of those forces that propagate the point of view that everything must be done to reduce or even completely get rid of dependence on Russian gas.

            In turn, Turkey, no matter how much it says it is ready to get rid of Russian gas, will not be able to find such volumes of blue fuel in the near future. Russian gas makes up to 60% of its energy balance. The Qatari liquefied gas announced by Erdogan is more expensive, and there is no infrastructure for its supply to Turkey. Deliveries from Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan will at best be able to partially relieve dependence on Russian gas in 5 − 6 years.
          5. WKS
            WKS 17 December 2015 19: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: Region 34
            Nice joke. And if you push not only with weapons, but economically? What can we oppose them economically? What kind of products do we supply them that is ours only?

            These caliber products are called. We will supply from the basins of the Caspian and Black Seas. Until the pacification of imperial Turkish ambitions and promises.
          6. 78bor1973
            78bor1973 18 December 2015 03: 45 New
            0
            Weapons are the same products as any other, only more in demand and should not be foolish about this, well, we can’t produce intelligent consumer goods!
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        3. Olfred
          Olfred 18 December 2015 07: 21 New
          0
          and a couple of gifts under the wings hi
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      3. fif21
        fif21 17 December 2015 18: 04 New
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        [quote = MIKHALYCH1] Still answer for Constantinople!

        Yes, this city did not mean anything to the Communists, but Tsargrad and Byzantium were not empty words for Russia.


      4. Rav075
        Rav075 18 December 2015 02: 29 New
        +1
        Some already burned (Moskoff also said), while others looked at Moscow with binoculars. They were also strong and confident in their thirst to destroy the Russians, and all of Europe stood behind them. Well, let's see .... Only this time you need to wet the whole of Europe to the end.
    2. 2s1122
      2s1122 17 December 2015 17: 47 New
      +7
      This whole story resembles an episode from the cartoon about Mowgli: "Do you hear me well Banderlog (Turks), yes the great KA." for meanness.
    3. 79807420129
      79807420129 17 December 2015 18: 07 New
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      Well, thanks for the article, it’s always useful to know how Judas and the enemy breathe, the time will come and you will have Erdogans and new Ottomans on Russian stakes twitch, there will be a squirrel and a whistle, I will hope this time.
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 17 December 2015 19: 10 New
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        Quote: 79807420129
        Well, thanks for the article, it’s always useful to know how Judas and the enemy breathe, the time will come and you will have Erdogans and new Ottomans on Russian stakes twitch, there will be a squirrel and a whistle, I will hope this time.

        That's right ... And here's another "five kopecks"! Our ancestors knew how to "rest in Turkey" ... We should repeat and remind history! hi
    4. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 18 December 2015 20: 26 New
      0
      I wonder how many Turks "Turks" have
  2. parafoiler
    parafoiler 17 December 2015 17: 24 New
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    More weapons to the Kurds! Russian. Powerful.
    1. figwam
      figwam 17 December 2015 17: 34 New
      10
      Oh, I feel we have to stop Turkey.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 17 December 2015 17: 50 New
        +5
        Quote: figvam
        Oh, I feel we have to stop Turkey.
        - and who else? The Turks will go to the south - you will lose Syria, and in general, half of the Mediterranean Sea under Turkey is a huge problem for Russia. They will go to the north - there the Armenians are defenseless, and the whole Caucasus ... In short, wherever the Turks go, the Russians are not in the subject. It would be in the subject, if they did not twitch, but twitched and showed that they could knock down a bomber jacket and close the Bosphorus according to their mood, now Russia is not interested in leaving Turkey as it is now. Yes, Turkey with its age-old dream will not remain within its present borders. It turns out that only one person should remain on the “Bolivar”. We place bets, gentlemen
        1. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov 17 December 2015 18: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: aksakal
          Betting, gentlemen

          Have you bought popcorn by Mr. Soyuznichek? Or do you care about allied agreements from which you can't see any nishtyaks from Raseya?
          Well, it’s not very far-sighted here! If there is a kneading of the Russian Federation with Turkey, then it will hit across Kazakhstan unambiguously, and it is VERY unlikely to be positive.
          So run, make bets, only this game will be like a hussar roulette, if it blows, it will break your psyche definitely!
      2. Andrea
        Andrea 17 December 2015 17: 57 New
        +3
        But in order for the old enmity to go, more than one generation is needed.
        The statement is not true: the fear of the Russians is already genetic, especially when they realize that they are dirty, especially aggravated.
        Only now a hero has appeared who speaks to the Turks - the centuries of decline have ended. Erdogan promises a new rise, recalls the glory of past victories and conquests, and promises that “New Turkey” will take its rightful place - the dominant power of the region.
        It would be necessary to refresh the memory of the "hero" about the rake. From 12 wars to 10, Turkey was defeated. Again they are torn for a rake.
      3. Karayakupovo
        Karayakupovo 17 December 2015 18: 52 New
        +6
        And then the Greeks, Bulgarians, Kurds and Armenians will restore it. Well, we, Russian Turkic-speaking, will stand in the middle, that is, in the straits. Although I am Turkic-speaking, I am Soviet. He gave the oath.
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 17 December 2015 17: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: parafoiler
      More weapons to the Kurds! Russian. Powerful.

      Are you ready to sponsor yourself, or are you offering to donate at the expense of the Motherland?
      Which Kurds? They are all different. Here, Russia happens to be official friends of the allies, writes off huge debts, gives weapons, gives equipment, and then the equipment is discovered on another continent.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 17 December 2015 17: 55 New
        +7
        Quote: Humpty
        Which Kurds? They are all different. Here, Russia happens to be official friends of the allies, writes off huge debts, gives weapons, gives equipment, and then the equipment is discovered on another continent.

        - we do not understand the Kurds, because we don’t know how to cook them! laughing But no, they began to sort out their grades quietly laughing In short, they are interested in the Turkish Kurds (communication through the PKK and Ojolan) and the Syrian Kurds (communication through a certain Ukrainian citizen "Timur"). Peshmerga and other Iraqi Kurds are not interested - on the Russian topic. They are already under the Turks through Barzani. The Kurds do not need much sophisticated weapons. Good ATGMs and MANPADS, a little outdated armored vehicles - they are enough to annoy Turkey from the heart.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 17 December 2015 18: 11 New
          0
          Quote: aksakal
          In short, they are interested in the Turkish Kurds (communication through the PKK and Ojolan) and the Syrian Kurds (communication through a certain Ukrainian citizen "Timur"). Peshmerga and other Iraqi Kurds are not interested - on the Russian topic.

          Quote: aksakal
          Good ATGM and MANPADS,

          This is if "The whole world is in dust" or, as Peskov put it, at the expense of blocking the Bosphorus.
  3. sssla
    sssla 17 December 2015 17: 25 New
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    The Cold War finally brought Moscow to its knees.

    You can’t just put people on their knees !!
    1. jPilot
      jPilot 17 December 2015 18: 11 New
      +2
      It goes without saying.
      Well, they are naive, thinking that they put us on our knees. It’s just that we are VERY patient, unfortunately about this, and our power-holders forget. For if they get it ..... it's not for nothing that we are compared with the bears, if we go to the demolition everyone will get to the full.
  4. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 17 December 2015 17: 25 New
    15
    What, hello our traditional enemy? Russia has not fought so many times with any of the powers that currently exist as with Turkey. Is history really moving in a spiral?
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 17 December 2015 17: 43 New
      +2
      Yes, normal Turks guys are ordinary traders. What kind of war? What are you talking about? This perdogan muddles the water there. Cover them with oxygen, so that they get less nishtyaks from Russia — they will howl and throw off the fart.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 17 December 2015 18: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        Yes, normal Turks guys are ordinary traders. What kind of war? What are you talking about?



        You - the article - carefully - read ???
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 17 December 2015 18: 27 New
          +1
          Have you read my comment carefully? Do not pull phrases out of the general context. I carefully read the article and expressed my opinion.
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      2. good7
        good7 17 December 2015 18: 16 New
        0
        Abnormal guys, Tatars stir up other "Turkic" peoples as well. And I do not understand why the "Turkic" peoples decided that it would be better for them with Turkey, there are not enough demonstrative lessons with the Kurds? And how many marriages were there between Russians and them, what are the enemies now?
      3. starley
        starley 17 December 2015 18: 44 New
        0
        Yes, for one thing that they call our Black Sea the White !!
        Where are two White people?
      4. Yasen Ping
        Yasen Ping 17 December 2015 18: 46 New
        +2
        Although I respect Comrade Stalin, no one dropped him, although many howled, so it’s not a fact that Erdogan will be dropped, he needs to be helped to leave ..
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    3. Oprychnik
      Oprychnik 17 December 2015 18: 17 New
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      "Russia has not fought so many times with any of the existing powers as with Turkey."
      No, why. With Lithuania more. But for a long time. And now, this Lithuania? Thank you for the name remaining.
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 17 December 2015 18: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Oprychnik
        "Russia has not fought so many times with any of the existing powers as with Turkey."
        No, why. With Lithuania more. But for a long time. And now, this Lithuania? Thank you for the name remaining.

        Yes, NIK seems to be on your topic, it’s a pity that you yourself are not in the topic at all! Comparing Lietuva and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania is even stranger than calling the Arabs inhabiting modern Egypt the builders of the pyramids.
        Although they have something in common, they usurped the toponym ANYONE not related to them sideways.
        1. Oprychnik
          Oprychnik 17 December 2015 20: 09 New
          0
          Especially for you, Comrade Marshal, an excerpt from Schweik.

          "Colonel Friedrich Kraus von Zillergut (Zillergut is the name of a village in Salzburg, which the colonel's ancestors drank back in the eighteenth century) was a rare fool. Talking about the most ordinary things, he always asked if everyone understood him well, although it was about the most primitive concepts, for example: "This is a window, gentlemen. Do you know what a window is?" Or: "The road, on both sides of which there are ditches, is called a highway. Yes, sir. Do you know what a ditch is? A ditch is a depression dug by a significant number of workers. Yes, sir. Ditches are dug with pickaxes. Is it known what is a pickaxe to you? "
    4. sssla
      sssla 17 December 2015 20: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      as with Turkey. Is history really moving in a spiral?

      Everything is as in the replay))
      In licked only the flag changes))
      The rest without interchangeable !!!
  5. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 17 December 2015 17: 27 New
    +2
    Well, dreaming is not harmful ... the Mlyn Empire ..
  6. wandlitz
    wandlitz 17 December 2015 17: 29 New
    +6
    Only now a hero has appeared who speaks to the Turks - the centuries of decline have ended. Erdogan promises a new rise, recalls the glory of past victories and conquests, and promises that “New Turkey” will take its rightful place - the dominant power of the region.
    The devil boasted of taking possession of the whole world, and God did not give him power over the pig either.
  7. FINN74
    FINN74 17 December 2015 17: 29 New
    +1
    And from time to time he rushes at us,
  8. polite people
    polite people 17 December 2015 17: 29 New
    +3
    Unfulfilled dream IDIOT. Russians cannot be defeated.
  9. SAXA.SHURA
    SAXA.SHURA 17 December 2015 17: 34 New
    +3
    Let them put their apologies into the back passage of their grandmother, many times they began to fight with Russia and we beat them, but left them alive, this time, we will simply destroy them as a country. Like this.
  10. Nick
    Nick 17 December 2015 17: 35 New
    +6
    With the mentality of the Turks, their attitude towards the Russians, we figured out. Now we need to deal with their leader ... And seriously ... negative
    1. starley
      starley 17 December 2015 18: 48 New
      +1
      There is a classic answer to such suggestions: tanks do not crush bed bugs! - with their present leaders the Turks themselves somehow
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  11. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 17 December 2015 17: 36 New
    +2
    Moskof will come and take off a couple of woolen Turkish noskofs from you, and then everything else, and he will take away the tomatoes. In general, you’ll be shitty until you repent of a crime.
    1. Drmadfisher
      Drmadfisher 17 December 2015 17: 48 New
      +4
      just cut off the tomatoes
  12. lastjoke
    lastjoke 17 December 2015 17: 39 New
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    Well, the Russian army and navy suffered losses in wars with Turkey. It just ended the same way.
    And it would be better for the Turks to recall more often what is written on the medal in honor of the Battle of Chesme.
    Chesma Medal

    The word "was" refers to the Turkish fleet. If anything - add one letter to get the word "WAS". Turkey ...
    1. Rader
      Rader 18 December 2015 01: 03 New
      +1
      The word "was" refers to the Turkish fleet. If anything - add one letter to get the word "WAS". Turkey ...

      Uh ... Uh! Are you going to turn the "All-Russian health resort N2" into a radioactive wasteland? belay
      It is better to act now with economic methods, and with political methods in the form of support for the Kurds and other oppressed peoples in Turkey. And then, after 10 years, the Turks will offer Antalya for rent for 99 years and rename Istanbul to Constantinople in a hurry, if only there is something left of the country wink drinks
  13. inkass_98
    inkass_98 17 December 2015 17: 41 New
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    Surprisingly for the Turks, we have just the opposite recollection of historical relationships. And the Russians did not forget who incited the Crimean Tatars to raid the North. If it weren’t for the Russian slave trade, then the Port could have not steamed for another hundred years, but quietly finished off the Balkans.
    So do not distort the facts, gentlemen, slave traders. The Greeks and Armenians were by no means cut out by the Russians, now why tear off your ass hair for this reason - if you earned it, you’ll get it.
  14. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 17 December 2015 17: 45 New
    +2
    Get out ... The Turkobes openly write about their desire to fight against Russia. Are their suicidal tendencies getting worse again? It is a pity that if in our country any prominent publication writes something like that, the stench will rise throughout the "world" of mattress opolysis.
  15. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 17 December 2015 17: 48 New
    +1
    GDP says that we don’t want people to suffer. Only people have to do something so as not to suffer from the actions of politicians such as Erdogan and his entourage. You cannot build an Ottoman empire. Fighting Russia is fraught.
  16. newcomer
    newcomer 17 December 2015 17: 48 New
    +7
    what is the article about? are there really those who did not know this? what for me these erotic dreams of a nomad’s son? who does not even have his own land. half of Turkey is Greece, half of Armenia. and how subtly he circumvented the Armenian genocide. here is the full. and the author should insert explanations. how can a thug dream of an empire if he walks every day on the earth soaked in blood of Armenians, Greeks and Russians. Well, about the Crimea, well, this is generally a paragraph. every pebble breathes the spirit of a Russian soldier who defends this land to this day. the author at least tasted that he copied ???
  17. Grif
    Grif 17 December 2015 17: 48 New
    +6
    Wrong man Erdogan to revive an empire. Small and arrogant. Empire builders have very different qualities.
  18. Night Bird
    Night Bird 17 December 2015 17: 48 New
    +5
    Turks ... Yes, you saw our plane falling in the sky ... And then your rabid scum killed meanly our guys in the sky when they parachuted. No civilized power would do that. For this you pay and pay more. And you will not see this again. By the way, look how the Kurds would not send you a present from which your planes will flop down like cones. And yet ... Do not dream of an Empire. She will never be.
  19. Panabebis
    Panabebis 17 December 2015 17: 49 New
    0
    “New Turkey” will take its rightful place - the dominant power in the region.

    Is it being in a note and under external control? Good luck! :)
  20. Vanad
    Vanad 17 December 2015 17: 51 New
    +1
    "Whatever happens, he cannot apologize." It looks like the translator is a Turk. In Russian it says "Whatever happens ..."
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 17 December 2015 18: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: Vanad
      The translator seems to be a Turk.

      It seems that the translator is a victim of the exam.
  21. Gray 43
    Gray 43 17 December 2015 17: 53 New
    +3
    Hike, for them our downed plane, as for us the events around the Crimea, and there, and here we observe a rise in spirits on a national basis, only Russia did not kill people in Crimea, these are our people, and the Turkish army and nationalists, voluntarily or involuntarily, became a tool in the hands of the Erdogan clan, who, in his old age, wanted to make money for "children for milk", however, in the "brotherly country" the Pig and Rabbit also "breed" the population
  22. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 17 December 2015 17: 54 New
    +2
    That person who cannot admit mistakes and apologize will suffer a hundred times more than the righteous!
  23. sannik
    sannik 17 December 2015 17: 54 New
    +1
    you need to beat them in the tail of the willow mane!
  24. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 17 December 2015 17: 54 New
    +1
    stabbing a Bedouin in the back
    - Oh, do not like to be hit in the back?
    how Moscow sharpens its teeth about their co-religionists in Chechnya
    - How tired of hearing about Chechnya ... Guys, sort things out!
    and, more recently, in the Crimea
    - But is there evidence other than the words of Poroshenko and the US State Department?
    “New Turkey” will take its rightful place - the dominant power in the region.
    - ambitions, just like in Poland! laughing
  25. mamont5
    mamont5 17 December 2015 17: 55 New
    +6
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    Yes, normal Turks guys are ordinary traders. What kind of war? What are you talking about? This perdogan muddles the water there. Cover them with oxygen, so that they get less nishtyaks from Russia — they will howl and throw off the fart.

    No, there’s their Foreign Ministry official who said that they and NATO can conquer Russia in 7 days.
    "In less than 7 days, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu assured the journalists of Turkey's ability to occupy Russia. According to YourNewsWire, the Turkish minister's words were aired on one of the national TV channels.

    "If necessary, I assure you: we with NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days," the media quoted Cavusoglu as saying.
    http://warfiles.ru/show-103322-glava-mid-turcii-chavushoglu-my-s-nato-mozhem-okk
    upirovat-rf-menshe-chem-za-7-dney.html

    So the Turks dream of revenge. Very dreaming. That's just what weed they add to their hookah that such drifts by officials happen.
    1. shans2
      shans2 17 December 2015 17: 56 New
      +2
      we can all destroy NATO in 20 minutes)
      1. starley
        starley 17 December 2015 18: 52 New
        +1
        But what's the point in a hurry? - no need to rush!
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    2. Humpty
      Humpty 17 December 2015 18: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: mamont5
      "If necessary, I assure you: we, NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days,"

      “We are with NATO,” this is understandable, we watched a movie from Dumas. I wonder who these other Swedes are, who the Turks have regional allies ...
    3. 2s1122
      2s1122 17 December 2015 18: 56 New
      +5
      Somewhere it was already, and by the fall of Moscow take-1941 (Hitler)
      Conquer Muscovy-1812 (Napoleon)
      Conquer the Holpian Muscovy-1567 (Sigismund)
      Question: Where are these three supermen now and where is their state?
      Answer: Everyone knows a purely Russian expression, c. ...... but not an ass No.
  26. barclay
    barclay 17 December 2015 17: 56 New
    0
    Quote: sever.56
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/641/nvdg71.png

    Five star. (in the sense of with five stars on its side).
  27. perm23
    perm23 17 December 2015 17: 59 New
    +3
    Fools if they think so. After all, if Russia is not angry, then you can live well with us. Why escalate. After all, we’ll be offended, let’s go, it won’t seem so little. Live calmly and do not bother us. No, after all. Yes, even if they were cool as I think, they would not have fled to NATO. Turkish Pasha in Izmail was also proud when he answered Suvorov. Only pride is one thing, and to fight against Russia is completely different.
  28. Andrew
    Andrew 17 December 2015 18: 02 New
    +5
    It seems that the Turks want to help us return Constantinople to the fold of Orthodox civilization.
  29. Ignoramus
    Ignoramus 17 December 2015 18: 03 New
    +3
    The Cold War finally brought Moscow to its knees

    That we laced up his berets
    1. deputy ___ watered
      deputy ___ watered 17 December 2015 18: 09 New
      +1
      Changed shoes from boots to berets.
  30. X Y Z
    X Y Z 17 December 2015 18: 16 New
    +5
    Of course, we can delve into the historical associations and problems of Erdogan, but this cannot serve as any justification for everything that happened. While the Turks will not clearly understand that any aggression against the Russian will be difficult to punish, both at the state and at the household level, we have nothing to do in Turkey. And the problem of beaches, hotels, fruits, textiles, clothing and, most importantly, large-scale interstate projects should inevitably bring some groovy subjects to their senses, if they still have remnants, if not reason, then at least self-preservation.
  31. Sultan Babai
    Sultan Babai 17 December 2015 18: 31 New
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    I am a Volga Tatar (Turkic-speaking), meanwhile, I won’t exchange my homeland for an empire, even if it is from Turkic-speaking peoples. I used to go on holiday abroad (Egypt), now I can’t, but I have no regrets and I don’t want to go to Turkey, there are many more beautiful and dear places in our country, in which there are 17 million square meters. kilometers. I don’t understand people who all the time ache that their vacation was now covered, ... if we killed our two people there who defended our peace and it is necessary to answer very harshly if not cruelly. In my city, the Turks build a factory, go quietly to the store, and I would send them back, they have nothing to do here, let them build at home (let them sit without money and shout there for their BARANDogan). They really hit us in the back ... there is no forgiveness for them (these are not empty words, I really feel that way).
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 18 December 2015 03: 51 New
      +2
      Sultan Babai (1) RU Yesterday, 18:31 PM New
      I am a Volga Tatar (Turkic-speaking),


      BROTHER! You are Russian! like all our Karelians, Bashkirs, Yakuts and Tabasarans. And God grant us to remember our language, our fairy tales, songs, and people our common Great Motherland!
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  33. lukke
    lukke 17 December 2015 18: 39 New
    +4
    By World War II, rivalry developed between the USSR and the Republic of Turkey.
    Yes?! I also had to add "equivalent") Well, for a complete Turkish donkey ecstasy - and even in the 45th year, the USSR Army was as powerful as the Turkish one)
  34. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 17 December 2015 18: 42 New
    +4
    Erdogan, his Nazi accomplices and frostbitten attack aircraft, dancing around the dead pilot, will lead Turkey to what Hitler Germany came to ...
  35. gla172
    gla172 17 December 2015 18: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: mamont5
    If necessary, I can assure you: we, NATO and our regional allies can occupy Russia in less than seven days, "



    I recall one friend by the name of Shackelgruber .... with the same inclinations .... and sayings in ente spirit ....
    1. starley
      starley 17 December 2015 18: 55 New
      0
      and quoted from mammoths too - an unfortunate fate is inherent in the name
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  36. newcomer
    newcomer 17 December 2015 19: 22 New
    +6
    eh, in vain Stalin Baghramyan slowed down.
  37. NordUral
    NordUral 17 December 2015 19: 28 New
    +2
    The Cold War finally brought Moscow to its knees.
    How tired of this cliche. Nobody knelt us, themselves, in the 91st flopped. Only now it comes to what we, the people, and the traitors of the renegades in power have done to our country. And then not everyone else.
  38. Balagan
    Balagan 17 December 2015 19: 51 New
    0
    And the nefik apologize to this Pseudo-Ataturk. His tie is already tightened stronger than the hangman’s rope. We are waiting, sir. Popcorn only stock up and make a louder sound.
  39. jovanni
    jovanni 17 December 2015 19: 57 New
    +5
    Quote: inkass_98
    Surprisingly for the Turks, we have just the opposite recollection of historical relationships.

    Quite rightly said! Here is one of those memories, preserved in those places about which the Turks again dream ...
    - The defeat of Batal Pasha on the banks of the Kuban on September 30, 1790
    The city of Cherkessk was founded as a redoubt or defensive point, at the site of the battle of two armies of the warring states - Turkey and Russia. Perhaps this is the rarest settlement in the world, which was named not by the name of the victorious commander, but by the name of the beaten, defeated. Here is how it was. In 1790, the Turkish sultan ordered his seraskir-commander-in-chief Batal Pasha to finally conquer the East Caucasian highlanders and annex this area to Turkey. Fulfilling this order, Batal Pasha from the city of Anapa made a 25th army. The army was well armed, had 30 powerful guns. The troops marched up to Urup undetected. Under the supervision of Russian intelligence, they crossed the Kuban in the area of ​​the current aul of Kubin and the city of Ust-Dzhegut. Intelligence reported to its command about the location of Turkish troops on the right bank of the Kuban. A detachment of only four thousand people with 25 cannons opposed the enemy's 18th army. However, assessing the unfavorable location of the Batal Pasha troops, the commander of the Russian troops I.I. German decided to attack the Turks on September 30, 1790. The offensive was successful, the defeat of the enemy was complete. The Russians captured a lot of prisoners, all the artillery and the very commander in chief Batal Pasha with the whole headquarters. And the remnants of his troops fled, pursued by the Cossacks and the Circassian cavalry. In the battle area on the right bank of the Kuban in 1804, a redoubt was established to strengthen the Kuban border line. They called him Batal-Pashinsky. In the autumn of 1825, the first settlers from the depths of the Stavropol province appeared near the redoubt. So the Cossack village Batalpashinskaya was formed. Of course, the name of the village was not given to perpetuate the memory of the battered commander, but to edify the Turks about the strength of the Russian miraculous heroes who defeated seven times the enemy forces.
  40. Aleksander
    Aleksander 17 December 2015 21: 40 New
    +1
    v now, Erdogan shot down the plane Moskof. We all saw him fall in the sky of the Levant. Whatever happens, he cannot apologize. This will be a breach of the promise to tens of millions, who never stopped dreaming of an Empire


    Judging by the "plus" rating of the article, these statements by the Turkish author are liked by the majority of VO readers! belay What the wildness?
    1. Приговор
      Приговор 17 December 2015 22: 06 New
      +4
      Sasha, don't be silly. To defeat the enemy, you need to know his psychology. Respect to the author, as he clearly showed what they think and feel in fact, these fake "partners". The article is competent, thanks for the necessary knowledge.
  41. EvgenSad
    EvgenSad 17 December 2015 22: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: figvam
    Oh, I feel we have to stop Turkey.

    We have a wonderful example of our partners pen-dos.off. How is it? - "Erdogan must leave!" Well, or bring some cookies there.
  42. Aljavad
    Aljavad 18 December 2015 03: 43 New
    +1
    Gorgeous publication! It is incredibly useful to look at the position through the eyes of the enemy. A sort of "3D".

    But it should be added about the neo-Ottoman Empire. First: Dreaming is not harmful. And most importantly: DO NOT WAIT!
  43. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 December 2015 04: 29 New
    0
    If the Turks come to us to occupy us, then we will live and remain,
    for they will stupidly have nowhere to return.
    And the fact that Turkey is escalating and saying too much, well, that’s what it comes to them.
    This is not a "brotherly people" and no one will feel sorry for them if something happens.
  44. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 18 December 2015 05: 36 New
    0
    But I’m embarrassed to remind the Turks how many wars with Russia they won ... Who will not tell me a thread laughing In my memory, they reduced only two in a draw, but otherwise the Janissaries were beaten and strong ... am
  45. Wolka
    Wolka 18 December 2015 06: 01 New
    0
    history repeats itself, similar hysteria always preceded the worst case scenario ...
  46. PValery53
    PValery53 18 December 2015 13: 18 New
    0
    In vain, Erdogan is like this: the guilty one, and even articulating, means he will get a cumpole.
  47. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 18 December 2015 20: 26 New
    0
    Erdogan must be DESTROYED.