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Deadly degrees. Russia is flooded with fake alcohol

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Of news summaries of our time:
“Rossiyskaya Gazeta”: “An illegal immigrants shop for bottling fake vodka was laid down near Novosibirsk.”

"The Information Portal of the City of Mine": "Fake alcohol is delivered to the shelves of Shakhty shops."
Russia-1: "The underground network supplied alcohol to Moscow."
"Our Yaroslavl": "In Yaroslavl, the underground shop for the production of fake alcohol was liquidated."
"Business newspaper": "In the Republic of Tatarstan, 21 people poisoned themselves with alcohol in a month, since the beginning of the year - 315".
"31TV": "13 tons of surrogate alcohol seized in the Chelyabinsk region."

This list can be continued, as they say, to infinity. The horrific picture of the distribution of alcohol-containing surrogates looms in most regions of the Russian Federation. Under the guise of high-quality and sometimes even elite alcohol, they are sold both from store shelves, via the Internet, and "from under the floor" hundreds of thousands of liters of poison, which take the lives of Russians in Novosibirsk, Kazan, Chelyabinsk, Voronezh, Moscow and other Russian cities.

The police detain numerous trucks with millions of bottles of “French brandy” and “Scotch whiskey”, the owners of which, as they say, cut an enormous loot based on the desire of some Russians not only to relax, having missed a glass or two, but at the same time not to empty their wallet.

Frankly speaking, the carelessness of citizens who are willing to purchase “Cuban rum” or “Armenian cognac” at online stores at 100 rubles per bottle surprises. At the same time, people who believe that saving their own health is justified, being in a hospital bed, the first thing they say is not about “what a fool I am”, but about the fact that the Russian authorities need to restore order in the sphere of distribution of alcoholic beverages. It is, of course, understandable - Putin, by definition, is always to blame for everything ... And even that he didn’t dissuade Van Vanych from the Moscow region from buying three bottles of “bourbon” and a bottle of “wine from bunches of grape plantations of Provence - the southern, naturally, slopes” at the price of 120 and 75 rubles, respectively. When Van Vanych started a tete-a-tete meeting, face-to-face, with a toilet, he was just beginning to suspect that his problems began purely due to the fact that it was the Kremlin authorities who literally poured “collection bourbon” into his mouth, after the use of which last week they could not pump out the neighbor on the floor Vasil Vasilich. But when Van Vanych regained consciousness already in the reanimation of the central regional hospital - it was then that the picture of the government against him conspiring before him and finally opened ...

And after all, there are unfortunately a lot of Van Waniches who are ready to poison themselves for the sake of "financial gain" in the country. Internet such people "comes to the rescue." For example, Yandex responds to a request for the purchase of alcohol “cheaply” (attention!) With more than three million different links - points in almost any region. Do you want to - send, do not want - take it yourself from the dealer in the nearest alley.

Deadly degrees. Russia is flooded with fake alcohol


Some links are especially interesting, if only because they do not hide the sale of alcohol-based "fake". And some of it without special camouflage is called directly - counterfeit. And others decide to give some "exquisite charm", referring to the "duplicates of elite alcohol."

Opening such links, you can find a whole lot of offers from all kinds of online markets. For clarity, one example of selling venomous poison: whiskey, "duplicates." For example, the famous brand White Horse goes on 180 rubles per liter! As the famous Internet meme says: per liter, Karl! .. 12-year-old Chivas Regal - 140 rubles per bottle ... Well, and Jack Daniels - and at all on 120 ...



And there are not a few such stores, and not even dozens. They are like stalls in the oriental bazaar - for lovers of deadly freebies, a real “pantry”. But that's where a person who decides to beat a bottle of the same “Chivas” bought at the price of a beer mug will end up after visiting such a pantry - a question that can be asked by medical experts.

However, is it worth to declare exclusively that, they say, they are to blame themselves, and that the state apparatus in this case is completely “not in the business”? Obviously, if Van Vanych, mentioned more than once, decided to, as they say, at his own risk and risk, cut a bottle of “elite” cognac (whiskey, rum, etc.) on his own initiative, purchasing goods at a price that is not adequate for the original drink, here it is stupid to poke a finger up with a dumb question on the brow. But the problem is that a surrogate is withdrawn not only in online stores offering it at the price of a handful of seeds, but also in supermarkets, where the owners decide to put 600-700 percent on one bottle. In other words, in the absence of a system of really severe punishment for death traders (after all, in essence, traders differ in a surrogate alcohol-containing potion from spice traders or other illegal (not distributed through a network of pharmacies and clinics) drug drugs), these same traders will only increase the production of poison by distributing it through affiliated retail chains. The owners of such networks, acting in fact as accomplices in a criminal offense, today also do not bear any responsibility for selling, under the guise of certified products with excise labels, a substance that is bottled in one of the city garages.

They detained one wagon, they detained the second - a surrogate was poured, at best, on the ground, and then what? And then the producer of the poison has a desire to make the police look through her fingers another time and see the movement of a truck with a surrogate and allow her to a consumer who really wants to try what real Cuban rum tastes like. And there will definitely be policemen (albeit those who passed the recertification perfectly ...), who will decide that a couple of dozen deaths from alcohol poisoning at the subordinate area is not something that may not allow an envelope with an equivalent of half-year salary.

So what is the state apparatus?

The Federal Antimonopoly Service has finally recognized that the level of surrogate alcohol in Russia has reached a “critical point”. To solve this problem, it is proposed to lower or freeze the excise rates for alcohol of legal producers losing billions of rubles due to the rampant "alcoholic" crime. At the same time, the FAS criticized the initiative to introduce the law on the sale of alcohol to persons who have reached the age of 21. According to the representative of the FAS, this can only provoke an increase in the volume of surrogate alcohol consumption by persons whose age 21 has not reached the year. At the same time, FAS is considering supporting the idea of ​​the Ministry of Industry and Trade to sell, for example, beer in “non-stationary outlets”, including stalls and kiosks. The initiative is somewhat strange, especially when you consider that the inventive owners of many kiosks, having set a table in front of the outlet, now declare that they have a “cafe” here, and that they can sell practically any alcohol around the clock around the clock ...

In addition to the voiced initiatives of the government in the person of the deputy chairman of the Russian government, Alexander Khloponin, they propose to allow the regions to independently decide on the time intervals for the sale of alcohol, as well as whether it is possible to ban the sale of alcoholic beverages in full. On the one hand, a statement about a possible ban on the sale of alcohol at the regional level looks like an attempt to take care of preserving the health of the population, but immediately recall the statement by the FAS that the population in this case can start drinking all sorts of rubbish from the outside. Moreover, such an initiative would not turn into Gorbachev's “dry law”, when under the guise of fighting alcoholism vineyards began to be cut down and factories producing high-quality products began to be mastered by brick - the other extreme, which led to what is known ...

In general, the problem has acquired a truly serious scale and, by definition, requires an informed decision at the state level. At the same time, one should not forget that in this case the state can adopt a law, but it cannot force every person to take care of health. In the end, the presence of a sober head on the shoulders in the literal and figurative sense is one of the most effective ways of dealing with the producers of the surrogate and for the health of the nation at the same time.
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  1. apro
    apro 17 December 2015 06: 10
    58
    And faith does not allow introducing a state monopoly on the production and sale of alcohol, incomes flow unclear where, people's health is threatened and disability in the case of grievous bodily harm, they are given disability pension to whom? And in case of loss of a breadwinner?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2015 06: 21
      +6
      Quote: apro
      And faith does not allow introducing a state monopoly on the production and sale of alcohol,

      And what will it change? In the USSR there was a monopoly, but the people drove moonshine. Now equipment is available and the opportunity, instead of sam, to drive another drinker.
      As long as there is demand, there will be production. A person looking at the price realizes that he is buying bullshit, no one is forcing him to do this, no one! He takes and buys himself, well, to hell with him.
      1. domokl
        domokl 17 December 2015 06: 50
        13
        The nonsense of the situation is that they will always buy a surrogate. Just because you can’t afford to buy a truly branded product. And I want to. That’s what they’re buying.
        Personally, I know quite serious people who drank and drink a surrogate. Moreover, the argument is killed by 1. Nobody else poisoned 2. Though and rubbish, but cheaper than vodka in the store
        1. bunta
          bunta 17 December 2015 07: 28
          12
          Quote: domokl
          The nonsense of the situation is

          that the EGAIS alcohol accounting system, into which several billion dollars was invested, does not work!
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 17 December 2015 07: 45
            22
            the state, by its policy in this area, is killing its own people.
            1. Down House
              Down House 17 December 2015 09: 57
              -1
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              the state, by its policy in this area, is killing its own people.

              "Own" people, like any other people, have always thumped and will thump - this property of poorly educated and uncultured people in any country of the world will suffer!
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            2. alone
              alone 17 December 2015 22: 00
              0
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              the state, by its policy in this area, is killing its own people.


              Here I do not agree with you. What, the government by force catches people and makes them drink surrogate alcohol?
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 18 December 2015 01: 45
                0
                Quote: lonely
                Here I do not agree with you. What, the government by force catches people and makes them drink surrogate alcohol?

                hopelessness compels.
          2. Alexanast
            Alexanast 17 December 2015 08: 34
            +9
            Works. But not as I would like. Without her, two pieces of paper were required to transport alcohol from the warehouse to the store, and with it a dick cloud.
          3. lwxx
            lwxx 17 December 2015 11: 16
            +1
            EGAIS immediately incorporated counterfeit trade, this is a system for promoting a certain product (hardware and software), someone has a "candle factory". This system has nothing to do with the fight against alcoholism as well as counterfeit goods, if only nominal.
        2. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 17 December 2015 09: 50
          0
          He served on the border with Mongolia until 2013. So there Chivas whiskey for 250 rubles per bottle was taken from the Mongols in boxes. The whole town drank it both on holidays and on weekdays and no one was poisoned, though the next day not very well. Well, this is probably from the amount drunk and from the fact that they also caught up with beer))) (what about without beer?). In addition to Chivas, there were other "brands", but those were 700-800 rubles.
        3. Down House
          Down House 17 December 2015 09: 55
          +5
          Quote: domokl
          Personally, I know quite serious people who drank and drink a surrogate.

          "Serious people" and "drinking a surrogate" things are not compatible laughing
          1. Nekarmadlen
            Nekarmadlen 18 December 2015 01: 03
            0
            Most likely some foolish people buy fake alcohol with an expensive label ((((one of my friends on his mother’s birthday bought a canister (5 l) of fake vodka and poured it into empty bottles from under the present))) Guests, which is typical, one whiskey ( let's say the red label) was praised, and the other (chivas kicked), they said that somehow it wasn’t))) Thank God no one was poisoned, although the next day many felt not very good ... There should be a culture of drinking !!! Although suppose young people gathering for some kind of holiday in order to impress guests (girls) probably often buy a stick (it seems legends say that this is of course a fake, but not dangerous to health), but people basically understand what they’re going to .... It is much worse to buy a fake at the price of the original and poison ((((It is necessary to tighten the responsibility for the production and distribution of products from methyl alcohol under the guise of normal alcohol !!!!!! Not the highest measure, of course, although in case of mass poisoning, why not but with Serious terms necessarily !!!!!
        4. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 17 December 2015 10: 03
          12
          Hi Sasha. hi
          Quote: domokl
          The nonsense of the situation is that surrogates will always buy

          Normal terms, and the inevitability of punishment. And everything will work out. Naturally, with the state monopoly on the production of alcohol. Moonshine - drive for yourself, proved the fact of sale 1 time - not a small fine, again - a prison. It would be a desire.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 17 December 2015 12: 09
            10
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Normal terms, and the inevitability of punishment. And everything will work out. Naturally, with the state monopoly on the production of alcohol. Moonshine - drive for yourself

            In pre-revolutionary Russia, vodka cost a penny. This is for the ordinary population. For the elite there were other drinks, more expensive. But still, it’s very cheap. The production of alcohol is cheaper than the cartridges, as the late Shiklgruber (the earth told him broken glass). Namely alcohol, cheap alcohol Fritz were going to clean the living spaces of the indigenous population. Because the production of vodka and other strong alcohol drinks on an industrial scale on industrial equipment really costs a penny. And if you do not break the wild price for brands, but produce normal, high-quality alcohol and sell it at an affordable price then many people will cease to drive moonshine. Why, if vodka is cheaper and the State warrants for its quality? But for this it is necessary to return the state’s monopoly on alcohol.
          2. your1970
            your1970 17 December 2015 12: 56
            0
            According to the current legislation, it is possible to carry out a check only by notifying an individual at least 24 hours in advance !!!! And if you do not receive a letter about the check and / or grease the postman to put a mark - "there is no person" - then it is AT ALL IMPOSSIBLE to check not notified in accordance with the established procedure, and even if you break through in this case and get special - the chances of the cancellation of the protocol in court are almost 100% due to failure to notify !!)
        5. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 17 December 2015 10: 53
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          Personally, I know quite serious people who drank and drink a surrogate. Moreover, the argument is killed by 1. Nobody else poisoned 2. Though and rubbish, but cheaper than vodka in the store

          Buy "rubbish" because it's cheap? And reassure yourself: "until you get poisoned"? And you call these people "serious"? belay No. And who then, according to your "qualifications" - "frivolous people" ??? what What is the meaning of "drinking"? To get drunk to "forget"? fool
          1. tokens2
            tokens2 17 December 2015 11: 05
            +5
            Buy "rubbish" because it's cheap? And reassure yourself: "until you get poisoned"? And you call these people "serious"? belay no And who then, according to your "qualifications" - "frivolous people" ??? what What is the meaning of "drinking"? To get drunk to "forget"?

            Buying yourself food and drink in today's stores is already a frivolous person knowing the manufacturing process. according to the most "modern" standards.
            I am also one of these frivolous people.
            Sorry laughing
            By the way, my grandmother’s sister (widow. Husband died at the front) drove moonshine in the city ...
            I drove a little, I bought building materials from the workers, helped my parents build a house. They lived poorly.
            But ... I know for sure. I believed in God and could not poison people.
            And who is pouring samopal to us today ???
            And under whose roof ???
            1. Down House
              Down House 17 December 2015 11: 59
              -3
              Quote: Lexi2
              Buying food and drink in today's stores is already a frivolous person. Knowing the manufacturing process.

              What's wrong with this "manufacturing process" ?!
              The fact that your food a month ago, God forgive me, was making pipi and kaka does not bother you, but its "making" is something apparently yes laughing
              1. tokens2
                tokens2 17 December 2015 15: 00
                +1
                What's wrong with this "manufacturing process" ?!

                take an interest in starting s \ n technologists of these same productions. Irreplaceable people. So there is something to hide.
                I am not saying that poison and poison are pure.
                But ... to put it mildly, it does not inspire confidence. And this does not apply only to Russia.
                Down House food and drink is a mirror of health.
                Pharmacies are not getting smaller. On the contrary, there are more and more of them.
                1. Down House
                  Down House 17 December 2015 15: 54
                  -4
                  Quote: Lexi2
                  Down House food and drink is a mirror of health.

                  That's right - but you understand what the matter - it's time for people to forget about "natural" food - nature is not able to feed the billions of people now living with environmentally friendly farming methods and their subsequent "processing" -delivery request
                  And you have 2 options - either "there is something they give" in Auchan - fortunately, the food fully complies with sanitary and other standards - or welcome to the "food boutiques", especially since there are not very expensive ones among them fellow
                  1. tokens2
                    tokens2 17 December 2015 16: 24
                    0
                    That's right - but you understand what the matter - it's time for people to forget about "natural" food

                    forget it
                    nature is not able to feed the living billions

                    Well, mankind will not survive too much search with myths and fairy tales.
                    What do you do in VO with such concerns for a billion people? laughing
                    And what does this have to do with Russia? We have a lot of land.
                    food boutiques

                    everything is clear. I have no more questions for you.
                    1. Down House
                      Down House 17 December 2015 17: 41
                      -6
                      Quote: Lexi2
                      forget it

                      You apparently forgot that 100 years ago every year millions of people died of hunger, including in the Russian Federation - and then there were DIFFERENT people on the planet!
                      Quote: Lexi2
                      Well, mankind will not survive too much search with myths and fairy tales.

                      And what exactly are the myths in question?
                      Quote: Lexi2
                      And what does this have to do with Russia? We have a lot of land.

                      Where? Over the Arctic Circle? Or do we, like in South America, have 4 harvests a year and "collective farmers" work for food? Still dreaming about the revival of agriculture in the Russian Federation? Forget it! fellow
                      Quote: Lexi2
                      everything is clear. I have no more questions for you.

                      Why are you so offended by me?
                      What did I remind you of the stores where Milk is from 100 r per liter, but natural?
                      Quote: Lexi2
                      what do you do in VO with such concerns for a billion people?

                      Consider me a patriot of Russia fellow
                      1. tokens2
                        tokens2 17 December 2015 18: 07
                        +2
                        Down House
                        You apparently forgot that 100 years ago every year millions of people died of hunger, including in the Russian Federation

                        I repeat.
                        tokens2
                        bust with myths and fairy tales, humanity also will not survive.

                        Still dreaming of a revival of agriculture in the Russian Federation? Forget it

                        I have no dreams in this matter.
                        Believe me, without this rebirth, nowhere is everything else, just a bluff and a slow extinction. And most importantly, a complete stupidity of a person.
                        What did I remind you of the stores where Milk is from 100 r per liter, but natural?

                        exactly.
                        Consider me a patriot of Russia

                        patriots must always suffer. laughing
                        I understand. patriots should be prepared for the downsides. laughing
                        I have them.
                        PS S / X is not only food. And not only traditions. It is also the key to knowledge and the native language. And without it ... progress and science is just a funny soap bubble.
                      2. Down House
                        Down House 17 December 2015 19: 53
                        -6
                        Quote: Lexi2
                        Believe me, without this rebirth, nowhere is everything else, just a bluff and a slow extinction. And most importantly, a complete stupidity of a person.

                        That's for sure, a person who does not work in agriculture is getting dull and morally devastated laughing
                        Quote: Lexi2
                        S / X is not only food. And not only traditions. It is also the key to knowledge and the native language.

                        Quote: Lexi2
                        I have no dreams in this matter.

                        I noticed laughing
                        Another urban intellectual, worried about "Russian Village"!
                        You yourself were in this village? Were there rusty combines on the field, smelling of fresh manure, with always drunken harvesters from sunrise to sunset, on rusty combines?
                        Quote: Lexi2
                        progress and science are just a funny soap bubble.

                        That's for sure! What are you only doing on the Internet after such words ?! request
                      3. tokens2
                        tokens2 17 December 2015 20: 18
                        +2
                        Down House
                        Vanya. Vanyusha!
                        Calm down and don’t worry about the village. Walk for yourself, shock the consumer basket in Arshan.
                        With the coming!
                        Welcome to emergency
              2. Alf
                Alf 17 December 2015 22: 51
                -1
                Quote: Down House
                there is what they give "in Ashany - fortunately, the food fully complies with sanitary and other standards

                During the inspection of several Auchan hypermarkets, which took place from July 14 to 21, the Rosselkhoznadzor discovered pork, chicken and lamb DNA in ground beef and DNA of beef, chicken and lamb in pork ground minced meat produced by Auchan LLC.

                In addition, in the meat products manufactured by Auchan LLC, sausages used to make pizza, delivered to the distribution center of Auchan-Tomilino LLC, an excess of the permissible number of bacteria of the Escherichia coli group as well as Listeria was found.
                In addition, at Auchan in the Odintsovo district, inspectors established the fact that they used expired sausages for making pizza, as well as revealed irregularities in the collection and removal of biological waste and the storage of spices in containers from intestinal raw materials.
                Also, according to the Rosselkhoznadzor, Auchan artificially doubled the shelf life of chilled raw meat. In addition, on Wednesday August 19, the Auchan Kuntsevo Plaza store revealed non-compliance with the requirements for washing and disinfection of equipment and used equipment.
                1. Down House
                  Down House 17 December 2015 23: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Alf
                  The Rosselkhoznadzor discovered DNA of pork, chicken and lamb in ground beef and DNA of beef, chicken and lamb in pork minced meat manufactured by Auchan LLC.

                  Are they dying from this? request
                  Quote: Alf
                  the fact of using expired sausages for making pizza,

                  Never buy "baked goods and slices" from hypermarkets.
                  Quote: Alf
                  Also, according to the Rosselkhoznadzor, Auchan artificially doubled the shelf life of chilled raw meat. and also revealed violations during the collection and removal of biological waste and the storage of spices in containers from intestinal raw materials.

                  These are still flowers, that’s what’s happening in small shops, there’s horror!
                  1. Nekarmadlen
                    Nekarmadlen 18 December 2015 01: 25
                    +1
                    As a rule, small grocery stores in Moscow are kept by immigrants from the Caucasus .... It seems that for them the question of profit is at all costs the most important .... In our area I know several shops where you can buy any alcohol at any time of the day or night if they know you personally)))) They sold vodka at 80 or 90 rubles per bottle (0.5), like underground production but not poisonous, in any case, the buyers of this vodka are alive - healthy and periodically ask for 100 rubles (but then they don’t give it back)) )))))
        6. kot28.ru
          kot28.ru 17 December 2015 12: 44
          +4
          Unfortunately, we are not going to fight this., the entire shadow market has a serious lobby in the highest structures of government! In Blagoveshchensk, Kozhemyako tried to limit the trade in alcohol, floods, emergencies, after limiting the time of sales, the number of establishments with alcohol increased several dozen times, moreover, you couldn’t go to a snack bar or cafe! now, with the departure to Sakhalin of Kozhemyako, the administration came to the conclusion that such a number of alcoholics, including in RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, is good, they promised to close them a year ago, and now they are talking about lifting bans! No one except the police and the prosecutor’s office the secret is that besides beer pothouse, alcohol vendors often sell something stronger, from under the counter, all in one voice, there are no violations! The saddest thing is that a number of deputies are chopped up for all these eateries, in a pharmacy-three blocks, at a crossroads-four pothouses! Apparently, there are people in the regional government who have good money from this, and what can we say about the whole country as a whole? I personally know a few people who sell counterfeit goods from the Caucasus, and no one can do anything to them, because it’s profitable! And people are really dying, but because there is money, business! Abomination!
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 17 December 2015 13: 57
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      The nonsense of the situation is that they will always buy a surrogate.



      Well, I do not agree a bit !!!

      I wrote a comment at the top - a year ago - 0,5 vodka cost 750 rubles in the Dixie store - is it a surrogate ??? It turned out - yes, yes. yes ... But it was bought not as the cheapest and most expensive one, but on the contrary - for the festive table ...
    3. alone
      alone 17 December 2015 22: 03
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      Personally, I know quite serious people who drank and drink a surrogate.

      belay Alexander, welcome! Well, how can they be called serious?

      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 17 December 2015 22: 31
        +1
        I myself am a race car driver with experience. If years ago 3 in our company drank vodka no lower than 1000 r per half liter, now it remains on the table intact. Skeptics have long been gone - everyone drinks mine. Take a look at homedistiller.ru and you will understand that to the level of local moonshiners there is industrial production like to the moon with cancer. One and a half million forum posts! A good machine, however, costs no less than a foreign car.
        1. romashki74
          romashki74 18 December 2015 13: 55
          0
          Quote: syndicalist
          I myself am a race car driver with experience. If years ago 3 in our company drank vodka no lower than 1000 r per half liter, now it remains on the table intact. Skeptics have long been gone - everyone drinks mine. Take a look at homedistiller.ru and you will understand that to the level of local moonshiners there is industrial production like to the moon with cancer. One and a half million forum posts! A good machine, however, costs no less than a foreign car.

          drinks good My colleague, not everyone has reached this point yet, but the trend is emerging ... People are beginning to understand that the prepared drink from malt, but infused with roasted oak, cannot be compared with bottles for 1000 rubles!
  2. Alexanast
    Alexanast 17 December 2015 08: 30
    15
    Do not confuse moonshine with methyl alcohol
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 17 December 2015 10: 50
      0
      Quote: Alexanast
      Do not confuse moonshine with methyl alcohol

      Firstly, these are different a priori fluids. Secondly, issue in the response comment / without looking in the search engine and directories / the difference, at the boiling points of ethanol and methanol, then I acknowledge your speech as an offset.
  3. atalef
    atalef 17 December 2015 08: 32
    16
    Hey . sleigh
    In general, drew attention to prices?
    whiskey - duplicates laughing
    I will tell you with us
    Red - 25 bucks
    Black 40 bucks
    Blue - 120 bucks.
    In general, about 3 years ago, we began to import sham vodka 9 from the CIS) at a ridiculous price.
    The government immediately introduced a new tax base.
    Having lowered the prices for high-quality alcohol and lifted up for cheap types of Vodka. result
    My favorite Corvoisier is a 30 -35 bucks bottle. what for us is essentially a penny
    and that’s it. all this deshovaya burda is gone.
    I'm not saying that. about that. that prices are generally so affordable. that no one buys a tent (which we believe we have the same).
    Well, except maybe different restaurants and bars. Yes, and it is only about vodka (and usually Finland)
    1. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 09: 59
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      and that’s it. all this deshovaya burda is gone.

      For some reason I thought that Israel didn’t thump, just now I remembered that you were Russian there laughing
  4. sergeybulkin
    sergeybulkin 17 December 2015 08: 53
    13
    In the USSR, there was a monopoly, but the people were driving moonshine.

    Better moonshine than store vodka! In our general stores there is no vodka from pure alcohol at all, take any bottle - it stinks of acetone and toluene - you can dilute the paint. So, for example, nobody has been buying vodka in stores for five years now ... tongue
    1. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 10: 00
      +3
      Quote: sergeybulkin
      Better moonshine than shop vodka!

      I'll tell you so - it's all bad! hi
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 17 December 2015 10: 12
      12
      Quote: sergeybulkin
      Better moonshine than shop vodka!


      Especially high-quality moonshine!
      But: in a store, vodka should be, if under excise, then the state must be responsible for excise on the bottle. In every way.
  5. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 17 December 2015 09: 36
    11
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    In the USSR, there was a monopoly, but the people were driving moonshine.
    - Do not care moonshine! For yourself - let them drive! And what about the sale and fake of excise stamps - to equate to counterfeiting or treason, especially for a surrogate. The time is harsh now, and it is time for the deceivers - delyag to extrude in black.
    But here are the prices ... - They have it there, not a bo-bo?
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 17 December 2015 11: 32
      +3
      Unambiguously, the contents are "subject to excise duty, and the state is obliged to bear responsibility for the fact that the excise duty is stuck on the bottle (Banshee)". And accordingly: the contents of a bottle with an excise stamp is regarded as a guarantee of the state and counterfeiting of the brand-content should be regarded as an attempt to discredit the state and be punished as a state crime.
  6. captain
    captain 17 December 2015 09: 44
    +6
    It is necessary to plant for a long time, without the right of parole and with the confiscation of property, manufacturers and sellers of this potion.
  7. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 17 December 2015 09: 59
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    but the people drove moonshine
    - Do not confuse moonshine with methanol. At least you can’t move horses from moonshine. hi
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 17 December 2015 10: 53
      +4
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      At least you can’t move horses from moonshine.

      ... and you won’t add health!
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 17 December 2015 17: 11
        0
        Quote: V.ic
        ... and you won’t add health!
        - something from Blue Label I didn’t feel particularly vital energy. laughing
    2. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 17 December 2015 13: 01
      +3
      looking what moonshine and how to drive :)
  8. Down House
    Down House 17 December 2015 10: 09
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Well, to hell with him.

    Verb Truth hi
  9. Roman Skomorokhov
    Roman Skomorokhov 17 December 2015 10: 11
    10
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    In the USSR, there was a monopoly, but the people were driving moonshine.


    And what has changed?

    I admit. Chased I drive. I will drive.

    Even if they introduce the article again. Because:

    1. "Tilka for yourself" (and friends, yes).
    2. Cheaper than the store.
    3. Tastier than the store.
    4. Safer than the internet.

    What is annoying is the fact that online consumers of the poison are 95% youth.

    From among the acquaintances, there was a flock of stupid, but willing. Two years consumed, again, there was only one answer to my arguments. "It's cheap and nobody got poisoned."

    All order. Were buried in October 24-year-old guy. Exactly the day after the celebration of his DR. Now all in the company only beer.

    And who wants to live - he will master the "Buran". "Buran" was made by one craftsman at our KBKhA space plant.
    1. atalef
      atalef 17 December 2015 13: 12
      +7
      Quote: Banshee
      And what has changed? I admit. Persecuted. I'm driving. I will drive. Even if the article is introduced again. Because:


      Hey . Rum. my friend drives here.
      I bought some fucking device. with different filters and dry couples. Inductive cooker and in general the whole process - 24 days.
      His moonshine 9 as I understand it) at a cost price higher than any whiskey or cognac will be.
      But he has it at the HOBBY level.
      In general, periodically, he gives me a bottle or two.
      No vodka can compare with this.
      No smell, taste - the fly does not hurt the head.
      Qualitatively, you can do at home.
      We have no article or prosecution for the manufacture of alcohol - if you want to drive (for yourself) - no problem.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 17 December 2015 14: 08
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        We have no article or prosecution for the manufacture of alcohol - if you want to drive (for yourself) - no problem.



        So in Russia it’s been quite a while already - there are also no articles, no problems, if for myself ... And the devices on sale - the sea to choose from ...

        A neighbor (doctor) does, sometimes treats - that's it, no smell, like a tear, and they do not bomb on the head the next day ...

        I wanted to buy such a machine for myself - so half of mine stood up in a fighting stance: What are you doing, decided to sleep in old age ??? And what does it have to do with sleep when she brought expensive vodka from the store for a holiday, and she gives acetone ???
  10. volodimer
    volodimer 17 December 2015 11: 10
    0
    So I solved the problem of surrogates. I know what I drink and how much it costs. But I would not go this way if I was sure of the quality of products purchased at the store.
    Here, I do not consider the situation of making moonshine for sale. There are enough of their surrogates.
  11. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 December 2015 11: 12
    +9
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    In the USSR there was a monopoly, but the people drove moonshine.

    Moonshine to moonshine is razn. It's one thing to drive for sale, here they put all kinds of rubbish in the "drink" so that the "brains kick out" faster and "guaranteed". I have a neighbor in the country who sometimes (when my wife allows wink ) drives moonshine for himself, and he does it according to all the canons of old Russian distillation. And he is in no hurry to use it in "pure" form! He distills most of the "production" with something; then he insists ... either on rose hips, or on inflorescences, both wild and garden plants; on buds, young leaves, roots ... ...... So can these "balsams" be at least roughly comparable to a "bazooka"? And how sincerely the conversations "flow" while tasting such "nectar"! good
  12. 8 inches
    8 inches 17 December 2015 11: 18
    +2
    with the same success, you can buy bullshit in the store for a decent price. Do not be seduced that the price serves as a guarantee.
  13. veksha50
    veksha50 17 December 2015 13: 55
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And what will it change? In the USSR there was a monopoly, but the people drove moonshine. Now equipment is available and the opportunity, instead of sam, to drive another drinker.



    Now moonshine (for itself, not for sale) is legally allowed to drive, and the mass of various devices for distilling factory-made is complete, however ....

    However, one 1. It’s expensive, it’s a pity to give for a good device from 14000 and higher (lower if the price is purely moonshine, with a smell, and all sorts of rubbish); 2. Too lazy to bother to make yourself a quality drink, from which you will not be poisoned.

    As a result, some go and buy swill in a normal (supposedly) store, while others go to the points where they drive the fowl ...

    But here I have a neighbor (doctor) bought a machine for myself, tinkering with it, and it turns out a good thing - there is no smell and no slag ...

    So poisoned, I apologize, bruises and goons ...

    PS Although a New Year's Eve was spoiled a year ago: my wife bought far from the cheapest vodka in the store, and when I opened it and tried it, I had to pour it into the sink ... I had to give the metal right away ... It would have been necessary, of course, after take the holidays to the sanitary and epidemiological station, but somehow in a fit of anger poured - and that’s all ...

    But it seems that there was no news that someone in the district died because of this infection ...
    1. Nekarmadlen
      Nekarmadlen 18 December 2015 01: 42
      0
      But does anyone know how to determine the food alcohol in a drink or methanol at home (not by smell, but by some scientific method or device)? It is possible that soon some household testers will appear on sale))) I bought a bottle, kept the check, opened it, checked if methanol, then with the check to the prosecutor’s office or Rospotrebnadzor !!!!
  14. Angry orc
    Angry orc 19 December 2015 10: 23
    0
    unfortunately, the price of alcohol is not a guarantee of its quality, by the way counterfeit can be of high quality, even made at the distillery during the night shift (at least it used to be) the savings on excise taxes are significant, in any case there is nothing better than moonshine to do the right thing, good everything for this is in the public domain
  • Reducer
    Reducer 17 December 2015 06: 23
    12
    It is enough to enter the state. monopoly on the production of alcohol.
    Already, legal alcohol is clearly monitored by EGAIS.
    Plus, it’s already a question to solve with networks that twist the hands of all food producers.
    1. apro
      apro 17 December 2015 06: 32
      +9
      Quote: Reduktor
      It is enough to enter the state. monopoly on the production of alcohol.

      Not enough, enough at the factories and at the sale of chemists, the process should be under full control, honest businessmen are undergrowth so that they can be trusted.
    2. domokl
      domokl 17 December 2015 06: 51
      +9
      Quote: Reduktor
      It is enough to enter the state. monopoly on the production of alcohol.

      We sell left alcohol even with factory marking. The Caucasus is taxing.
      1. Reducer
        Reducer 17 December 2015 07: 58
        +5
        Each legal alcohol truck has its own EGAIS + GLONASS system, arriving at the distillery is receiving and transmitting through the factory EGAIS - production and bottling of EGAIS bottles, etc., through a piece counter. -trading house.
        Everything ends at the store and this is where all the counterfeit flows in. Why are they resisting the introduction of EGAIS at their cash desks. Superprofits!
        1. your1970
          your1970 17 December 2015 13: 43
          0
          But nothing that the Ministry of Internal Affairs says that 40% of the leftist is made at a distillery with a fake excise sticker and past the counters ...
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 17 December 2015 14: 16
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        The Caucasus rules.



        Kizlyar plant is an unrivaled leader ...

        PS Although in our city no one has bent yet from the left deliveries of his cognac ... Or maybe just such information is not advertised ...

        Price - 250 rubles. for 0,5 cognac ...
        1. FM-78
          FM-78 28 December 2015 23: 37
          0
          Real Kizlyar - costs at least 450 for 0.5
      3. OCD
        OCD 17 December 2015 15: 10
        0
        Two posts with search complexes must be passed in order to reach Rostov from the Caucasus. One post in Kabarda, the other in Hot Key. Well, alcohol is not coming from the Caucasus. And the Caucasus is driving again.
    3. V.ic
      V.ic 17 December 2015 10: 54
      0
      Quote: Reduktor
      Already, legal alcohol is clearly monitored by EGAIS.
      Plus, it’s already a question to solve with networks that twist the hands of all food producers.

      Do you advise to withdraw "North Ossetia" from the Russian Federation?
      1. Reducer
        Reducer 17 December 2015 11: 35
        +1
        To control the amount of released raw materials (alcohol) and the sale of hot products.
    4. lwxx
      lwxx 17 December 2015 11: 24
      +2
      What are you saying? laughing Do you firmly believe in this system? Do not tell, alcohol, or rather an alcoholic solution, is produced by everyone. And they sell it quite officially, without any excise taxes, etc. But the monopoly on the production of alcohol is correct, here I completely agree with you. hi
      1. Reducer
        Reducer 17 December 2015 11: 55
        +1
        Well, it’s obvious - state control at the process inlet (alcohol production) will allow controlling the quantity of the final product! Plus, reduce the cost of excise duty and introduce direct sales to stores without intermediaries from factories. To trace the chain the state monopoly of alcohol delivered 4 tons of alcohol to the factory - the factory produced 10000 liters of vodka - and the store suddenly sells 100500 million liters! It is clear who to drag for causal places.
    5. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 December 2015 12: 54
      +3
      It annoys me when any "fluff" from the State Duma, government "department", a journalist, "human rights activist" declares that tougher punishment will not give anything! All this is nonsense! You can always find examples that when the regime, the organization seriously took up the "case", the severity and (most importantly!) The inevitability of punishment "played" a decisive role! But any "initiative" ends in "bullshit" if the toughening of punishment and measures is "combined" with sabotage on the part of officials, law enforcement agencies, and the absence of the inevitability of punishment. Many examples can be found on the same TV channels, when journalists, without too much effort, go out to sellers of moonshine, "sticks", drugs, counterfeit documents.; When illegal sellers with illegal goods and fake certificates are found in stores, markets; bribe-takers in universities etc. And only "our" law enforcement agencies are often unaware! How can one say that "toughening" punishments will do nothing if the cause of all failures is irresponsibility, impunity
      1. your1970
        your1970 17 December 2015 13: 50
        -1
        A little higher, I wrote about checks on individuals.
        Regarding toughening the punishment, Muslims for adultery have been stoned to death for 1300 years already — helps ??? !! Yeah, right now ...
  • Askin
    Askin 17 December 2015 09: 38
    14
    You just need to remove the fairy tale pr cultural drink. And about the fact that Russian solves all problems by thumping.
    And according to the zombie man, instead of news, to drive that "RUSSIAN- MEANS SOBER"!
    And in 10 years only marginal ё will drink
    1. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 10: 04
      +3
      Quote: Askin
      "RUSSIAN- MEANS SOBER"

      Plus - but it won’t help you, it’s customary to minus those who are telling the truth laughing
      Quote: Askin
      And in 10 years only marginal ё will drink

      And nowadays only marginals are thumping - this is the main root of the "problem" of alcoholism.
      1. 8 inches
        8 inches 17 December 2015 11: 22
        +3
        Strange. I don’t get drunk. But I don’t drink alcohol either. I can’t classify myself according to your system ..
        1. Down House
          Down House 17 December 2015 12: 02
          0
          Quote: 8 inches
          I’m not thumping. but I don’t even drink alcohol. I can’t classify myself according to your system ..

          Well, for example, I drink 3-4 times a year, wine and beer, I consider myself a non-drinker-unadded laughing
          And in general, if once a week "not to cheat" alcohol, then according to my classification it is already alcoholism, albeit in the first stages.
          1. 8 inches
            8 inches 17 December 2015 14: 55
            0
            Well, I don’t recognize beer at all. Once a week .. yes where so much time to take it ..
            1. Down House
              Down House 17 December 2015 15: 58
              0
              Quote: 8 inches
              yes where so much time to take it

              And this is also correct, sometimes it happens that you even feel like drinking once a month or two — yes, it’s commonplace every day, every other day at the wheel — and you need to sit at home for at least 3 days so that your hands do not shake on the steering wheel, and then a whole week of traffic rules observe until the reaction is restored - so what for this alcohol laughing laughing
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 17 December 2015 10: 59
      -2
      Quote: Askin
      And in 10 years only marginal ё will drink

      Questions:
      1. "marginals Yo" - is it a separate type of marginals?
      2. "The joy of Russia is piti" when was it announced?
      3. Recommend that it is better for like-minded people to change Orthodoxy to Mohammedanism, just make no mistake with the directions: Sunnism / Shiism.
      1. Rivares
        Rivares 17 December 2015 18: 04
        +1
        Quote: V.ic
        2. "The joy of Russia is piti" when was it announced?

        "The merriment of Russia is drinking, without drinking Russia cannot be" Vladimir the Holy (980-1015)
        He’s Khagan Vasily, he’s Vladimir Yasno Solnyshko, in addition to forced baptism, he also tried to instill a massive Bukhalovo because robbing slaves (God or whatever) and drunk is much easier. He didn’t have a drink with alcohol then.
        Vladimir fought mainly only with his subjects. He destroyed the Russia of Svyatoslav, whose possessions stretched from the Caspian Sea to Bulgaria, strengthened the defense of Byzantium (the worst enemy of Russia), and even sent 6000 troops to help the emperor. Vladimir destroyed the customs of the Slavs, the spiritual values ​​of the Magi, the guardians of folk wisdom. People drove people who did not want to be baptized, Vladimir drove to the outskirts of Russia - to dig ditches and build fortresses.
        Quote: V.ic
        It is better to recommend like-minded people to change Orthodoxy to Mohammedanism, just make no mistake with the directions: Sunnism / Shiism.

        We realized that you will not give up alcohol. Try to better explain how the refusal of alcohol and other drugs is associated with a change of religion ???
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 17 December 2015 21: 03
          0
          [quote = Rivares] We realized ... / quote]
          Are there many of you or one? "We understand" ... / mania grandiosa /, maybe some maniacs?
          [quote = Rivares] ... that you will not refuse alcohol. [/ quote]
          ... "refuse" or refuse ", write what you mean.!
          [quote = Rivares] Try a better related explanation [/ quote]
          Not written in Russian / in Russian you can write a connectionnno, or connected, which however is equivalent to /. EG handed over for a long time, "citoyen"?
          [quote = Rivares] how is the abandonment of alcohol and other drugs related to a change of religion? [/ quote]
          This is a question for the "Muslims".
          Young man, the "teacher" did not force you to memorize very significant fragments from "Eugene Onegin" or from "Woe from Wit", so do not "mold" yourself to be an intellectual, be yourself and you will be lucky in life. According to the author's text of the "comments", one can easily trace the handwriting of a teacher who sincerely wanted to put in you smart, kind, eternal ...
  • Down House
    Down House 17 December 2015 09: 53
    +4
    Quote: apro
    And faith does not allow to introduce a state monopoly on the production and sale of alcohol

    And just doesn’t allow thumping? Vera too? request
  • Down House
    Down House 17 December 2015 10: 08
    0
    Quote: apro
    and in case of loss of the breadwinner?

    And in case of loss of the "drunkard" about the loss of the "breadwinner" is not appropriate to speak! fellow
  • 222222
    222222 17 December 2015 10: 55
    +9
    .... That's all the difference .. !!! ....
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 17 December 2015 11: 38
      +1
      Stalin and other quotes can be found about vodka, alcohol.
    2. VeryBravePiggy
      VeryBravePiggy 20 December 2015 10: 10
      0
      That's it. And enough of rubbing in about the "culture of consumption".
      I do not have this culture - I generally do not drink alcoholic beverages. And my parents do not drink, and my three brothers, my sister, and my wife ... If you want to "relax and not think" - having lost everything (family, friends, work, property), and you will not need to think about anything.
      If you really live and work intensively, it's not that getting drunk - (and disconnecting yourself for a day or more from a normal life) just lying in bed an extra hour is no longer possible.
  • Vikings
    Vikings 17 December 2015 10: 59
    +3
    Is it really not clear, They solder us purposefully and methodically!
    To prevent this, we need to start with ourselves, re-
    go to a healthy lifestyle. At a subconscious level, inside
    Sew yourself STOP etoy disgusting!
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 17 December 2015 13: 03
    0
    Counterfeiting does not mean that it is poured in the garage.
    Often this is done right at the factory when the bosses are not at home.
    I personally saw such a point of sale under police protection.
  • alone
    alone 17 December 2015 21: 58
    0
    Quote: apro
    And faith does not allow introducing a state monopoly on the production and sale of alcohol, incomes flow unclear where, people's health is threatened and disability in the case of grievous bodily harm, they are given disability pension to whom? And in case of loss of a breadwinner?



    But you can’t drink at all? wink
    1. VeryBravePiggy
      VeryBravePiggy 20 December 2015 10: 15
      0
      How many problems are caused by a fundamentally erroneous, idiotic decision to "drink"!
      The Ministry of Health is tired of warning.
      Health problems, social problems, the fight against counterfeiting, the search and punishment of moonshiners ...
      All of this (problems associated with alkgol and the consequences of its use) can be avoided by simply abandoning this very alcohol!
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  • siberalt
    siberalt 18 December 2015 19: 14
    0
    In "Novosibirsk they have covered" ... They have covered competitors. There would be a "bell" and money for such a "cover". Everything is rotten. The system needs to be changed.
  • FM-78
    FM-78 19 December 2015 00: 04
    -1
    I don’t understand, Oleg, you? Are you joking?
  • kebeskin
    kebeskin 17 December 2015 06: 13
    +4
    And yet I do not understand how people buy good alcohol at 200r-300r. Does it never occur to him that he is left. Well, here at least you can take the price from the US and convert to rubles. True, there is one moment when the price of such a drink will not be set at 300r but at 2900r, then everything will be thought to be much more interesting and how it will all go to stores ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 17 December 2015 06: 54
      +7
      winked Imagine a village shop. The revenue is cheap, but you need profit. So they buy alcohol from "trusted" wholesalers.
      Checks? And who checks that? Vasya is his classmate. Only he is now a policeman .. So the leftist walks around the shops. And the documents you draw for any additional correct
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 December 2015 07: 01
        +5
        Quote: domokl
        Imagine a village shop. The revenue is cheap, but you need profit. So they buy alcohol from "trusted" wholesalers.

        Sanya hi. He lived in the village, there he couldn’t give a cheap drink, many people drive excellent moonshine and will not drink bullshit.
        1. fraer
          fraer 17 December 2015 07: 30
          11
          Quote: kebeskin
          Does it never occur to him that he is left.

          Yes, what does the left, right have to do with it. Russia does not have anything from the other.
          Not at all with bows. request
          1. apro
            apro 17 December 2015 08: 29
            +5
            Thank you "fraer" informative and powerful video. The fight against murderers is possible only with the consolidation of the people.
            1. fraer
              fraer 17 December 2015 09: 19
              +1
              Quote: apro
              Thank you "fraer" informative and powerful video.

              And thank you, kind man, for not passing by hi
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            1. fraer
              fraer 17 December 2015 10: 05
              +2
              Damn the day I smoked the first cigarette !!!!!!
              Quote: kare
              A little worth adding
        2. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 17 December 2015 08: 46
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Sanya hi. He lived in the village, there he couldn’t give a cheap drink, many people drive excellent moonshine and will not drink bullshit.

          Come on! Excellent moonshine is driven in the village for themselves. And for sale is all sorts of nasty stuff with diphenhydramine. And what is interesting: they know that "bullshit", but still go.
          And at the expense of excellent moonshine: I remember how in Soviet times we were scared that moonshine was poison, they say there are a lot of fusel oils. And the point was not that the people could be poisoned, but that when drinking their moonshine, the sale of vodka falls. This is such a concern for the population.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 17 December 2015 11: 43
            0
            But for some reason, when you drink the worst-tasting moonshine, then (if there are no additives in it in the form of any kind of kidneys, herbs, etc.), an unpleasant fuselus prevus is still felt.
            1. goblin xnumx
              goblin xnumx 17 December 2015 13: 19
              +2
              violation of technology :)
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            3. siberalt
              siberalt 18 December 2015 19: 21
              +1
              grammar write "good" as good. Because prepositions ending in voiced sounds correspond to voiced ones at the beginning of the root or before the second preposition and vice versa. "Well this is elementary, Watson!" laughing
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 17 December 2015 11: 45
            +3
            By the way, in those villages where there were distilleries that produced more or less decent alcohol, and where it was possible to steal this alcohol a little)), people preferred diluted alcohol to moonshine.
        3. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 17 December 2015 13: 08
          0
          not a fact - norms moonshine with double distillation and correct filtration plus potions for infusion plus time - it can go out more expensive than a surrogate - the other day a neighbor showed a plastic bottle of 5 liters of "vodka" for 350 rubles - as an example
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 December 2015 07: 49
      +1
      Quote: kebeskin
      Well, here at least you can take the price from the US and convert to rubles.

      they compared the salaries and the general standard of living? The alcohol itself is worth a penny, and the wild prices are the work of the beloved government. Hence the demand for counterfeit goods.
    3. Reducer
      Reducer 17 December 2015 07: 49
      0
      The fact of the matter is that the state, raising the excise tax (now the brand is worth 100 rubles), is withdrawing legal alcohol to the middle-price niche, and there is no longer mass purchasing power there.
      It is no secret that the bulk of distilleries have to drive clone products (with copies of excise taxes) in order to stupidly stay in the price up to 200 rubles. - otherwise you just won’t go online!
      Plus the aggressive policies of Rosspirtprom and RAR.
    4. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 10: 06
      -1
      Quote: kebeskin
      Does it never occur to him that he is left.

      Comes - but it doesn’t matter to drunks - it’s important to get drunk.
      Quote: kebeskin
      Well, here at least you can take the price from the US and convert to rubles.

      But this is already too difficult for drunks laughing
  • Name
    Name 17 December 2015 06: 13
    +5
    Greetings to all! I don’t like amateur performances and that’s it! But with regards to our question, if necessary, I will prefer a trusted manufacturer! drinks
    1. Reducer
      Reducer 17 December 2015 06: 28
      +4
      They told a story-story about how the generals got poisoned with "Beluga" last year while hunting, they bought it in a reputable store, the brand was not very cheap ...
      1. Sobol
        Sobol 17 December 2015 11: 35
        0
        Quote: Reduktor
        They told a story-story about how the generals got poisoned with "Beluga" last year while hunting, they bought it in a reputable store, the brand was not very cheap ...

        Oh! And I bought Beluga for the new year. Today I’ll taste it - it’s suddenly scorched!
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 17 December 2015 06: 35
      11
      But with regards to our question, if necessary, I will prefer a trusted manufacturer! drinks


      I join ...
      citizens, if it is impatient to consume alcohol, use a product of your own production ... it's cheap, reliable and practical, tested for yourself and very satisfied.
      The increase in excise taxes on alcohol and led to the massive emergence of a surrogate ...
      Medvedev stepped on the same rake as GORBACHEV and the people still recall it to him.
  • kolyhalovs
    kolyhalovs 17 December 2015 06: 13
    +2
    For me, this problem does not exist.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2015 06: 33
      10
      Quote: kolyhalovs
      For me, this problem does not exist.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 17 December 2015 06: 57
        +3
        For me, this problem does not exist.


        My friend can’t control himself when he drinks and I drink him daily so that he don’t take a drop of alcohol in his mouth ... THANKS TO GOD and I am glad about it.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 17 December 2015 08: 01
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov (5) Today, 06: 33 ↑
        Quote: kolyhalovs
        For me, this problem does not exist.

        in the 80s, I was at the "Komsomol wedding" (with lemonade) I almost went crazy ... wassat
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 17 December 2015 11: 02
          0
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          I almost lost my mind ...

          Are you sure about that?
      3. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 19 December 2015 23: 15
        0
        https://vk.com/video-14834118_167632046?list=db77ab752ff79bd8f3
      4. kolyhalovs
        kolyhalovs 6 January 2016 12: 40
        0
        Maybe their sobriety and burden can be coded. And I do not use it of my own free will. And the mood from this is my most beautiful. And on holidays and without holidays. I just like it and that's it.

        And if specifically about the holidays, then you can’t imagine how fun it is, when everyone is in zyuza, and you are sober. Like in a circus with clowns. Well, if everyone was just tipsy, so to me that. We continue to have fun together.
  • Amurets
    Amurets 17 December 2015 06: 24
    22
    Until the state control over the production and sale of alcoholic beverages is introduced and the death penalty for the sale of fake poisonous alcohol is not introduced, I think there will be no point. All these giveaways are done with only one purpose, TO DESTROY RUSSIA AS A NATION. I myself went through a similar thing. Of the six of us, saved only me and one more. We drank less than others. And for 22 years I do not take in my mouth, the doctor who pulled us out of the other world said: “Another 100 grams and I will not help you anymore.” The friend did not believe and has been lying in So think guys. I’m not against someone drinking, if health allows, but I’m AGAINST SOMETHING LOOKING ON HEALTH AND LIFE OF PEOPLE. I repeat again, I myself went through a similar thing.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 17 December 2015 08: 40
      +3
      Quote: Amurets
      .All of these giveaways are made with only one purpose, DESTROY RUSSIA AS A NATION.

      And dear does the same thing. Alcohol does not matter at what price it is sold. He knows his business.

      Quote: Amurets
      I AGAINST SOMETIMES HEARING ON HEALTH AND LIFE OF PEOPLE.

      Why are WHO-TO-the owners of these firms are known to all and they are all not Russian, and mostly foreign.
      So how long will we keep them? How much will we pay for our destruction ourselves?
      1. Down House
        Down House 17 December 2015 10: 16
        +5
        Quote: Boris55
        So how long will we keep them? How much will we pay for our destruction ourselves?

        Well, DO NOT contain and DO NOT pay - just DO NOT DRINK yourself!
        It’s better to spend this money on children, for example, give the child to the sports section fellow
    2. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 10: 15
      -3
      Quote: Amurets
      All of these giveaways are made for only one purpose, DESTROY RUSSIA AS A NATION

      Nonsense - normal representatives of the NATION, and so do not plump, they are then normal representatives of it.
      Quote: Amurets
      I don’t mind that someone drank if health allows, but I HAVE UNDERSTANDING THOSE WHO ENJOYED THE HEALTH AND LIFE OF PEOPLE. Once again I repeat, I went through a similar one myself.

      But I don’t believe you that “you have passed” - as a person who has passed, I believe that there are no “loyal ones” among us.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 17 December 2015 12: 59
        0
        Quote: Down House

        But I don’t believe you that “you have passed” - as a person who has passed, I believe that there are no “loyal ones” among us.

        When in three days you come out of a coma, you yourself will understand, especially if you visit the other side of life. This time. How many people I know whom they tried to forcefully make teetotalers, there was no sense in this until you understand it. And I know people who themselves quit drinking alcohol 30 and 40 years ago, some even through LTP, and they are all the same Opinions: A familiar narcologist said that in the United States, a method of treatment is used by destroying the pleasure center in the brain, but not many people agree to become semi-idiots.
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 17 December 2015 13: 32
          +3
          - "Destruction of the pleasure center ..." - Yes, this is some kind of horror ... Met recently acquaintances - a peasant, until recently he was drinking heavily ... and then I went to a local, Kaliningrad healer - to be coded ... I stopped kvass, a car, fishing , a vegetable garden ... But, you see, that something went wrong - now he does not need other joys of life either ... That is, completely ... his wife is very offended!
        2. Down House
          Down House 17 December 2015 15: 05
          0
          Quote: Amurets
          This time

          The second time I tell you, I know all this and went through it myself, therefore I am writing that I completely agree with your words that "they tried to forcefully make them teetotalers, there was no sense in it until you understand it yourself."
          Therefore, any non-drinker, and even more so CAM abandoned, will confirm that they thump solely from their own irresponsibility and laziness - and the attitude towards such people is appropriate for normal people.
          1. Rivares
            Rivares 17 December 2015 18: 27
            0
            Quote: Down House
            Therefore, any non-drinker, and even more so CAM abandoned, will confirm that they thump solely from their own irresponsibility and laziness - and the attitude towards such people is appropriate for normal people.

            As a thrower - I confirm completely.
            1. Down House
              Down House 17 December 2015 19: 54
              0
              Quote: Rivares
              As a thrower - I confirm completely.

              Thank you hi
          2. Amurets
            Amurets 18 December 2015 10: 58
            0
            I completely agree with you on this. I just did not immediately understand your words.
          3. yashacat
            yashacat 19 December 2015 07: 29
            0
            And you have the right to decide who is a normal person?
    3. V.ic
      V.ic 17 December 2015 11: 05
      +2
      Quote: Amurets
      I don’t mind that someone drank if health allows, but I UNDERSTANDING THOSE WHO ENJOYED THE HEALTH AND LIFE OF PEOPLE.

      That's right, at the age of 60, I became convinced that there was a liver in the body.
  • c3r
    c3r 17 December 2015 06: 24
    +5
    Introduce a state monopoly on the production of alcohol. And begin to properly punish people (nonhumans) falsifying both alcohol and medicines and other dangerous products.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 17 December 2015 06: 29
    +6
    the level of surrogate alcohol in Russia has reached a "critical point"..That was to be expected .. raised prices, excise taxes .. a surrogate appeared .. Although for me ... a damn about raising the price of alcohol, that a surrogate .. Harvest of cherries was good .. Cherry excellent turned out .. sugar and cherries. . drink of the gods ..
  • fa2998
    fa2998 17 December 2015 06: 46
    +1
    Bought for the holidays 5 liters. vodka (in five-liter) -vodka is good, soft, the head does not hurt. The place is checked, they are responsible for the quality. In the summer there were 350 rubles, now 400 for 5 liters. Let them drink for 0,5 to 270-290 rubles. in the store. And the quality is in question! Our city is poor, who does not take such vodka-drinks moonshine (65-70 rubles), or from a pharmacy. Too much this state wants from its citizens-taxed everything and excises. We have a salary rarely anyone for 10 thousand rubles. hi
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2015 06: 58
      +5
      Quote: fa2998
      The place is checked, they are responsible for the quality.

      Garik Avanisyan is always responsible for quality wink
      Quote: fa2998
      .Let they themselves drink for 0,5 to 270-290 rubles. in the shop

      Correctly respected, Garik has better and cheaper vodka, but the fact that they drive her in the basement of a neighboring house is nonsense, do not pay attention to it, dear.
    2. apro
      apro 17 December 2015 07: 17
      +6
      That's right a man needs to love himself, and the state doesn’t need to love, it’s making money on us, tyranny doesn’t give us a breath, there’s no joy. Such conversations among Soviet racers in Ukraine were then a bottle of sam was worth a rupe and I don’t remember the triac anymore and it seems no one took vodka in lobazy; why did the state feed it? it doesn’t do anything good for me personally. A small deception of the soul warms the significance of the personal raises.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 17 December 2015 10: 23
        +4
        Quote: fa2998
        Bought for holidays 5 l. Vodka (in a five-liter) -vodka is good, soft, the head does not hurt. The place is checked, they are responsible for the quality.


        I wonder what place?
        "Mom klyanus, haroshiy vodka"?
  • Glot
    Glot 17 December 2015 06: 50
    +2
    Ehh, they drink poison, poison and ... drink.
    I drink a little, even extremely rarely, and very attentively to what I drink. Since in general I have a negative attitude to drinking.
    But sometimes in the 90s they drank various nasty things, like an alcoholic "Royal" or a frank acetone-like something bought at night from taxi drivers. It happened, it happened ... laughing laughing
    As you recall, even trembling makes it out that they drank sometimes. laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2015 07: 00
      +1
      Quote: Glot
      like an alcoholic "Royal"

      This is the whole era of the 90s. I still have the director of the Supermarket owed for the Royal car, he fell into the USA
      1. Glot
        Glot 17 December 2015 07: 08
        +2
        This is the whole era of the 90s.


        Surely - The Age. laughing
        I somehow remember a friend and me for about half a day just turned off, at the same time. Like this one time, and darkness for half a day. laughing
        I also remember the White Eagle vodka in plastic bottles. smile
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 17 December 2015 07: 21
          +1
          Quote: Glot
          I also remember the White Eagle vodka in plastic bottles.

          A whole scattering of Polish vodka with portraits of almost all of our statesmen of all eras. smile
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 December 2015 07: 44
            +4
            Quote: Vladimirets
            A whole scattering of Polish vodka with portraits

            And also German Rasputin, who, if he winked, was real laughing
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 17 December 2015 07: 55
          +1
          Quote: Glot
          I also remember the White Eagle vodka in plastic bottles.

          дand ... there was a thing ...
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 December 2015 07: 52
      +1
      Quote: Glot
      But it happened in the 90s that they drank various nasty things, like an alcoholic "Royal"

      and "Rasputin"!
    3. Rivares
      Rivares 17 December 2015 18: 33
      +1
      Quote: Glot
      But it happened in the 90s that they drank various nasty things, like an alcoholic "Royal"

      Then many people died from the piano. In Moscow hospitals with such poisoning were called "royalists". And in the Belgorod region people simply died from vodka in large quantities. Couldn't understand from what. They did not find out. But many in those areas do not drink vodka, whiskey, moonshine, but not vodka.
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 17 December 2015 06: 57
    +9
    Bastards produce
    Bastards "turn a blind eye"
    And Stupid people buy poison ...
  • yashacat
    yashacat 17 December 2015 07: 14
    +5
    The reason for the increase in surrogate consumption is the increase in alcohol prices, the introduction of temporary sales restrictions, and a general decrease in household incomes, which leads to depression. However, the main reason for abuse is psychological (at least at the initial stage).
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 17 December 2015 11: 50
      +1
      For example, if I have problems, or a lot of work, or depression, I am not attracted to alcohol at all. For some reason I want to drink, when, on the contrary, I am in a good mood.))
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 17 December 2015 07: 15
    +4
    The article offers various measures: from playing with excise stamps to introducing "dry law". And not a word about the state monopoly. And this is the only solution to the problem. Now moonshine is being chased and sold much more than it was under the state monopoly, although the law only allows forcing for personal purposes. And the moonshine is basically also "burned", with the addition of alcohol or some other poison. But three times cheaper than burned vodka. Was at the Ust-Kachka resort near Perm. I asked the saleswoman in the store: "If they are not far from the plant (I mean the resort, and the village is nearby, not at the resort itself they sell vodka), then the vodka from it?" "Shchaz, he replies, only the car leaves the factory - they stop it, unload the factory one, load exactly the same burned one. You can't dig in the documents - everything is fine." And, by the way, you can get poisoned with fake champagne, especially bought just before the New Year. There were precedents.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 17 December 2015 10: 26
      +4
      Quote: EvgNik
      And not a word about the state monopoly. And this is the only solution to the issue.


      Definitely! Plus, the river will also flow into the budget. But this same deprikhvatization should be arranged!

      Quote: EvgNik
      Now moonshine is being chased and sold much more than it was under the state monopoly.


      Oh yeah! hi But I, for example, want to live. And drink is not against. So here the choice is obvious.

      Quote: EvgNik
      And by the way, you can poison yourself with fake champagne, especially those bought just before the New Year. There were precedents.


      Thank you, I will consider.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 17 December 2015 13: 15
        -2
        Quote: Banshee
        Oh yeah! hi But I, for example, want to live. And do not mind drinking. So the choice is obvious.

        Read Pokhlyobkin. "The history of vodka." There is a lot of instructive. True, there is a lot of waste, but the alcohol obtained by the method of rectification is really poison. It does not depend on ethyl or other alcohols. And one more thing: there is no better cure for stress than 100 grams, but more it is drunkenness. But unfortunately, I am deprived of even this medicine, as well as any medicine for alcohol.
      2. Rivares
        Rivares 17 December 2015 18: 36
        +1
        Quote: Banshee
        Definitely! Plus, the river will flow to the budget. But this same deprihvatization must be arranged

        For each such ruble there were 3 losses, for the maintenance of children with disabilities, boarding schools from plump parents, law enforcement and judicial measures, etc.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 December 2015 07: 20
    +7
    There are people who parachute jumps.
    Regularly, of my own free will.
    There are people who cross the road wherever and it is not clear how.
    And there are those who buy singed alcohol.
    In general, this is all one category of people who deliberately take mortal risk.
    Not for money or for fame, but for the sake of pleasure or momentary,
    often of dubious benefit.
    So all the rules, natural selection in action.
    Well, if I got into trouble with a palette. bought in a normal store, then burn the store nafig.
    Well, or confiscate.
    1. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 10: 22
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      Well, if I got into trouble with a palette. bought in a normal store,

      Normal stores are usually networked - there is at least some kind of quality control - in the rest now it’s scary to buy canned goods.
  • Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 17 December 2015 07: 20
    +4
    I would use left bootleggers to drown right away in a vat of vodka. and all workers too.
  • Sergey Vladimirovich
    Sergey Vladimirovich 17 December 2015 07: 25
    +2
    The Forbidden fruit is sweet! The price at which alcohol is sold is several times higher than its cost. All the more temptation to warm up on the "paleonka", having received a crazy profit ... They covered those who specifically sold the poison (methanol), here already - greed ruined ... And the lack of brains. And whoever "bodily" is normal ethanol, from which no one is poisoned and does not die, all the more, as they have sold, they will continue to sell to themselves. And they will never lose their clients, for obvious reasons. To fight the green serpent, other measures are needed, and not just stupid price gouging or prohibition! It is high time to understand this, not only Russia was burned more than once. Everything is not for the future ...
    1. yashacat
      yashacat 19 December 2015 08: 11
      0
      Totally agree!
  • Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 17 December 2015 07: 26
    +5
    but in general all this is decided on two times.
    Prohibit sale in stores.
    Create a state monopoly on the sale of alcohol in special stores.
    1. yashacat
      yashacat 19 December 2015 08: 13
      0
      And illegal traffic will increase.
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 17 December 2015 07: 29
    +1
    A bottle of booze, the show "Ural dumplings" and other "fun"?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 December 2015 08: 10
      +4
      Quote: Neophyte
      A bottle of booze, the show "Ural dumplings" and other "fun"?

      everyone has his own path...
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 17 December 2015 10: 27
        +5
        Quote: Neophyte
        And quit drinking-weak?


        What's the point? If you use a quality product and use it with reason - why not?
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 17 December 2015 11: 40
      0
      Yes, that's just "Ural dumplings" head and shoulders above similar shows. What did they displease with?
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 17 December 2015 07: 34
    +4
    It's all about the exorbitant appetites of the state, which sets an unbearable price for a product worth a penny. With a profit margin comparable to the drug and arms trade, counterfeit alcohol cannot be eliminated. And moonshine, the equipment for the production of which is freely sold, has not been canceled.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 17 December 2015 07: 50
      +6
      Quote: Mikhail M
      At a rate of return comparable to the drug trade ...

      Alcohol and alcohol-containing liquids are a drug.



      Hitler in 1942 formulated the foundations of the occupation policy in the conquered eastern territory: "For the Slavs - only vodka and tobacco."

      Whoever follows Hitler’s instructions is not friends with his head.
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 17 December 2015 11: 50
        +1
        Accuse the government of drug trafficking?
        1. Rivares
          Rivares 17 December 2015 18: 41
          +1
          Quote: Mikhail M
          Accuse the government of drug trafficking?

          In aiding the Nazis)))
  • fa2998
    fa2998 17 December 2015 07: 35
    -2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Garik Avanisyan is always responsible for quality

    And here sarcasm is inappropriate - many vodka factories work in the third shift - and produce normal vodka and take out unbottled products. The buyer saves on spills and excise taxes.
    And the anecdote (story) on this theme. Father and son will celebrate. Dad, according to old memory, took a litruha from "Baba Masha", and his son (only from the watch, from Yakutia) bought "cool" vodka for 800-900 rubles. After the first glass son grimaced, daddy is better than yours! hi
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2015 07: 47
      +9
      Quote: fa2998
      And here sarcasm is inappropriate - many vodka factories work in the third shift - and produce normal vodka and

      Show me the vodka factory here
      1. Reducer
        Reducer 17 December 2015 08: 06
        +2
        Rave! In plastic filling is prohibited, hell knows when!
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 17 December 2015 08: 11
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Show me the vodka factory here

        address brother, ADDRESS !!! wassat
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 17 December 2015 10: 42
          +1
          We sometimes show such "factories" on local TV. Nothing ordinary, warehouse or garage. angry
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        1. Baloo
          Baloo 17 December 2015 08: 41
          0
          On the roads and even in supermarkets they sell an anti-freeze in the same cans. If there is methanol, then ... what
      4. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 17 December 2015 09: 47
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Show me the vodka factory here

        Easy! The factory that makes a glass washer, and such drinks will pull!
        The container is the same!
      5. veksha50
        veksha50 17 December 2015 18: 20
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Show me the vodka factory here



        One to one in these bottles, the chemical plant produces "Liquid for kindling fireplaces" ...

        So they drink it with might and main ... They dig it, sell it cheaper than in stores, and drink it ...

        And then, obviously, the labels were simply changed and the liquid under the "cognac" was tinted, all business is ...
      6. Kaiten
        Kaiten 19 December 2015 07: 47
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Show me the vodka factory here

        This is a scribe. Do people really drink it? For this it is necessary to sell slavery in Daesh.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2015 07: 52
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      Yakutia) bought "cool" vodka for 800-900 rubles

      In Yakutia, cool Vodka for 900R what
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 17 December 2015 08: 12
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: fa2998
        Yakutia) bought "cool" vodka for 800-900 rubles

        In Yakutia, cool Vodka for 900R what

        "cool" is for "stop" !!! laughing
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 17 December 2015 07: 41
    +6
    I don’t understand people who quit drinking (it doesn’t matter for what reason - health doesn’t allow it, drank through life (on holidays) - it doesn’t matter) and viciously condemning drinkers. Understand poisoning is not safe none... I was a drinker myself. But. Never say never. I’m not saying that I gave up, I gave it up. I say: temporarily I do not drink. I know people (I knew they are now, alas, no longer), who were abandoned, and after 5, 10, 20 years they "untied" and then an early death (if they did not have time to stop again).
    1. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 10: 26
      +2
      Quote: EvgNik
      I don’t understand people who quit drinking (it doesn’t matter for what reason - health doesn’t allow it, drank through life (on holidays) - it doesn’t matter) and viciously condemning drinkers.

      But it cannot be otherwise - alcohol is poison, and a drunk is a pig - and when a person does not drink he sees this disgusting more clearly fellow
      1. yashacat
        yashacat 19 December 2015 08: 16
        0
        Still, you are claiming the role of God.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 17 December 2015 13: 30
      0
      Quote: EvgNik
      I know people (I knew them now, alas, they are no longer there), who were abandoned, and after 5, 10, 20 years they "untied" and then an early death (if they did not have time to stop again).

      You see, I have acquaintances from the society who got involved, and then they told me that the longer the break, the greater the risk that they simply do not have time to stop. I wrote above that my friend unleashed after an 8-year break, ended two weeks later and they couldn’t get him out of a coma. And there was quality vodka. There was a consequence of the death. Poisoning was suspected.
    3. Rivares
      Rivares 17 December 2015 18: 45
      0
      Quote: EvgNik
      I don’t understand people who quit drinking (it doesn’t matter for what reason - health doesn’t allow it, drank through life (on holidays) - it doesn’t matter) and viciously condemning drinkers.

      For example, I do not blame. I rather sympathize. And there is no harm to drinkers, I condemn those who solder and make money on it.
  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 17 December 2015 07: 43
    +1
    Let's start with the fact that for the manufacture of surrogate alcohol "flooding Russia" alcohol is required on an industrial scale, and only Rotenberg makes alcohol. Who the hell doesn't let him control?
    1. Reducer
      Reducer 17 December 2015 08: 07
      +7
      Like who? Rotenberg does not give control of Rotenberg!
  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 17 December 2015 07: 53
    +3
    I read the comments. No one has a question WHY they drink, for everyone is clear and understandable ... A terrible hopelessness ... Do you really think that tightening the turnover of alcohol will bring at least some kind of fruit?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 December 2015 08: 13
      +2
      Quote: Mera Joota
      I read the comments. No one has a question WHY they drink, for everyone is clear and understandable ... A terrible hopelessness.

      and so, not one hundred years ... laughing
    2. Averias
      Averias 17 December 2015 08: 32
      0
      Quote: Mera Joota
      I read the comments. No one has a question WHY they drink, for everyone is clear and understandable ... A terrible hopelessness ... Do you really think that tightening the turnover of alcohol will bring at least some kind of fruit?

      I do not agree with you. "Drinking from hopelessness" is a gorgeous excuse and nothing more. It turns out that you don't drink - hopelessness, but how you drank - everything went right at once or something? And they beat their wives drunk from hopelessness, right? It's funny though. I stopped using intoxicants because I was just tired. Well, bored and that's all, no courage, gone. And it is stupid to pour into yourself, because the holidays or the nursery are stupid. There are people who drink in order to remove "complexes", there are those who find it easier to communicate with people, someone to relieve stress. And there are those who cannot help drinking. And in life they are doing well (I myself know such people) and he sours and sours. The most important thing is that normal alcohol can afford, and buys this garbage in plastic cans. And h foam proves that one to one "cognac".

      Or here are homeless people, everything is bad in life, but no, let it be worse, here is an example:
      Somehow he met a homeless man, he was digging in the trash near the house. I saw that he was shaking the bread and putting it in a bag. He gave him 500 rubles, because a man is ordered to buy food. I’m coming back in an hour or two. And they have a banquet in the bushes, port flows like a river. He filled the balls so much that at first he shot a cigarette, and then half a half, he did not recognize however.
      Here is such a hopelessness.
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 17 December 2015 09: 25
        +1
        Quote: Averias
        I do not agree with you. "Drinking from hopelessness" is a gorgeous excuse and nothing more.

        Perhaps the wrong term. To say differently from hopelessness. From the understanding that the efforts being made to improve their social status lead to nothing, a person breaks down under the influence of negative factors, filling his conscience with alcohol ... If there was no TV, then maybe there would be less alcoholism ... the TV shows what could life would be beautiful, a good house, a car, the sun and the sea ... and the window is dirty Tayshet, unemployment, poverty, broken roads ...
        1. Down House
          Down House 17 December 2015 10: 32
          +3
          Quote: Mera Joota
          TV shows how wonderful life could be, a good house, a car, the sun and the sea

          That's it!
          That the TV is here as a "social advertisement" - it shows that it is fashionable and correct to be beautiful, athletic, educated and sober!
          And what other "efforts to improve their social status do not lead to anything" ?! Yes, this is also nonsense - well, you can't jump higher, this does not mean that you have to fall lower because of this!
          After all, in addition to your "wishes" you also have a family and a wife and children - your status is not important for children - it is important for them that dad is there and dad is sober!
          1. Mera joota
            Mera joota 17 December 2015 10: 49
            0
            Quote: Down House
            That the TV is here as a "social advertisement" - it shows that it is fashionable and correct to be beautiful, athletic, educated and sober!

            shows that it's fashionable to be rich

            Quote: Down House
            And what other "efforts to improve their social status do not lead to anything" ?! Yes, this is also nonsense

            Excuse me, where do you live? How far from the Kremlin? I understand the question is not modest, but for the answer I should understand the grounds for optimism.
            1. Down House
              Down House 17 December 2015 12: 08
              -1
              Quote: Mera Joota
              shows that it's fashionable to be rich

              And this, too, shows that it is fashionable to be wealthy, smart, beautiful, athletic.
              To do this, you need to study, work, play sports - in Russia such people have always been respected, unlike drunkards.
              Quote: Mera Joota
              Excuse me, where do you live? How far from the Kremlin? I understand the question is not modest, but for the answer I should understand the grounds for optimism

              And what, in the Russian Federation only those who live well, who are not far from the Kremlin?
              In general, the main point was that - "well, you can't jump higher, this does not mean that you have to fall lower because of this!"
    3. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 10: 28
      0
      Quote: Mera Joota
      No one has a question WHY they drink, for everyone is clear and understandable

      Because the drinkers have no education, no culture, no goals in life - and the point here is not "hopelessness" but in the original quality of the drinkers themselves.
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 17 December 2015 10: 50
        +1
        Quote: Down House
        Because the drinkers have no education, no culture, no goals in life - and the point here is not "hopelessness" but in the original quality of the drinkers themselves.

        The fact that you NEVER communicated with this category of people is already clear from your message.
        Unfortunately, this is not so.
        1. Down House
          Down House 17 December 2015 12: 10
          0
          Quote: Mera Joota
          The fact that you NEVER communicated with this category of people is already clear from your message.
          Unfortunately, this is not so.

          Yes, my relatives died of blue, because there were a lot of them in the Russian Federation, and I will tell you so, when they died, all the rest of their relatives (from parents to children) were only happy that their torment had ended.
          1. Mera joota
            Mera joota 17 December 2015 13: 21
            0
            Quote: Down House
            Yes, my relatives died of blue, because there were a lot of them in the Russian Federation, and I will tell you so, when they died, all the rest of their relatives (from parents to children) were only happy that their torment had ended.

            You convey the feelings of people who survived the last stage of alcoholism by relatives, that they did not immediately become such immediately you clearly do not understand.
            Yes, there are drunks who have become such since youthful years, but for the most part these are ordinary people who had families, work, etc. Their life difficulties were simply broken and it is not worth it to be so dismissive of them, as they say from sumy to prison, do not renounce ...
            1. Down House
              Down House 17 December 2015 15: 15
              +1
              Quote: Mera Joota
              Their life difficulties were simply broken and it is not worth it to be so dismissive of them

              Again a lie!
              No one broke them, neither Putin, nor the "Caucasian factories" - they have nothing to do with it - I'll tell you, I previously worked in an organization working with "wealthy" people, my if not the first, then every second my client was a dollar millionaire ... And what do you think - think they don't drink? No, and among them there are alcoholics, some drink to a squirrel and beat their wife and throw themselves out the windows - and these are people who "have a good life"!
              Imagine for yourself, the man of Rolls-Royce and Maserati has real estate in Europe and the opportunity to travel around the world, and he sits for days in a Moscow apartment and thumps and beats his wife and rolls naked in the entrance. Is it from hopelessness?
              Or I had a client - a well-known TV presenter and "socialite" - here every night the guards bring her in drunk, and in the morning take her out, and after lunch she has a shoot, and every night she is drunk again. Is this also from despair?
              It's just that these people "LIKE THROUGH" and that's it - and there is no need to look for any hidden motives, especially in their well-being or life's difficulties!
              1. Kaiten
                Kaiten 19 December 2015 07: 56
                +1
                Quote: Down House
                It's just that these people "LIKE THROUGH"

                Maybe genetics? Congenital affinity for drug addiction.
    4. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 17 December 2015 13: 07
      +1
      This is all bad weather. Coldly. And the rain. Or snow.
      Or hot. There is nothing to breathe. Therefore, they drink.
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 17 December 2015 08: 01
    +4
    Turkey-Ossetia, this is a whole ocean of burning alcohol, successfully bottled in official factories. This has long been known since this alcohol from the Caucasus from Turkey is cheap and many hucksters have established this business. By buying a bottle, we indirectly help the enemies of Russia!
    1. OCD
      OCD 17 December 2015 09: 35
      +3
      From Turkey, alcohol never went to Ossetia. If it was supplied, it was alcohol from America and Canada, which was imported from Poti - Georgia. There have been no such deliveries for more than 15 years. On the territory of Ossetia, alcohol factories producing very high-quality alcohol are officially operating. Ethyl alcohol, not methyl alcohol - wood. In Ossetia, methyl alcohol you want, you will not find. And when they fucked vodka from Ossetia, you had to think what you were doing. Drove counterfeit is Ossetian vodka. There is no Ossetian vodka, has it become less counterfeit? The simplest vodka from Ossetia was much higher quality than many vodka brands. Many governors have their own vodka factories, and it is impossible to sell alcoholic beverages from other regions.
      1. Nekarmadlen
        Nekarmadlen 18 December 2015 01: 57
        0
        By the way, the taste of vodka is greatly affected by the composition of the water, which dilutes the alcohol .. In Ossetia, water, if mountainous, is very tasty and vodka was very high-quality at one time ...
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 17 December 2015 08: 02
    -1
    The first is to protect the quality of alcohol, it is the state’s concern and the second is to eat less! Even if you drink low-quality alcohol within your normal range, nothing will happen. The concept of the norm is different for everyone. But this certainly does not mean until you lose consciousness.
    1. Rivares
      Rivares 17 December 2015 18: 54
      0
      The first is to protect the quality of drugs, this is the concern of the drug cartel and the second is to inject less! Even if you crash low-quality coke within your normal range, nothing will happen. Everyone has a different concept. But this certainly doesn’t mean until you lose consciousness.
      Sorry for trolling. I could not resist)))
  • Denis 60 rus
    Denis 60 rus 17 December 2015 08: 03
    +1
    Forcibly, any nasty stuff is not poured into anyone's mouth. The conclusion is simple, you need to think with your own head ... if you wandered around with "legal" vodka from the store, then Rospotrebnadzor has not yet been canceled, as well as the NECESSITY to complain there. do not complain mainly. and do not say that this office does not work, it works, I checked it myself. I put the article + for the idea that at least sometimes the initiative itself should be shown in putting things in order by legal methods, and not waiting for someone from the Kremlin to run around and confiscate the left products in stores.
  • Yurmix
    Yurmix 17 December 2015 08: 29
    0
    Quote: Amurets
    All of these giveaways are made with only one purpose, DESTROY RUSSIA AS A NATION.

    I agree completely with such koment. In addition to all this, the most important thing is that they divided the people in different angles, that is, all the value began to be in monetary terms. They made a division, so to speak, on the rich middle class and the poor, I personally think that the poor are the class that has not lost their conscience, and cannot live by deceiving others. Of course, they (not all) have a weak characteristic to distract from the madhouse by going to the bottom of the bubble, because a person cannot endure his existence for a long time, therefore, he sees salvation only in drinking.
    1. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 10: 37
      0
      Quote: YURMIX
      In addition to all this, the most important thing is that people were divided up in different angles, that is, all the value began to be in monetary terms

      Why are you all stuck with this "equivalent"!
      And if a person is a really high-ranking specialist, for whom employers are ready to pay several times more, he still needs to go to work for 5 kopecks so as not to “steal from anyone” ?!
      laughing laughing laughing
      Quote: YURMIX
      I personally think that the poor are the class that has not lost their conscience, and cannot live by deceiving others.

      Blah blah blah! Get a normal education and normal work - and do not write more such nonsense.
  • Deputy
    Deputy 17 December 2015 08: 31
    +3
    It must be a complete degenerate to buy 0,5 viscose for 150-200 rubles. Since 2016, new cash registers are being introduced, on average, it will cost 280-300 tons. Well, everything is straightforward for medium and small businesses. And why then UBEP and excise taxes. It is so necessary for small businesses to remove even those who work honestly and correctly. It’s just boiling up ....
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 17 December 2015 08: 43
    +2
    The state took the position of an outside observer in this matter. Citizens hope that the state will take care of them. It is our belief, ineradicable since Soviet times, that at the top, all I think about is the people. And it seems to me that they sit there and laugh, looking at how "natural selection" goes. And what, savings on pensions, less queuing in hospitals. Again, bribe can be taken. Beauty!
  • Humpty
    Humpty 17 December 2015 08: 43
    +1
    They will eat nasty things anyway. I saw how famous Russian athletes were drinking real glass - "Clean World". I ask, what can't you just buy normal vodka? The answer is - just not interesting. Their captain arrived and held a meeting and an hour later they all did what they were supposed to - training.
    About a month and a half ago he drove out of spoiled raspberries and old jam, with a friend they filled the washing barrels, the drunks smelled, now they are watching the wolf.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 17 December 2015 08: 49
    -2
    Constantly they took a palette from a box and then died from a palette, but before making a palette you need to get alcohol, but about the fact that the trains of alcohol come from the Caucasus nowhere. an amazing situation, sellers catch in fact, and alcohol producers do not exist in nature. Alcohol technar is cleaned in our country in Russia to the brand of prima, it is alcohol of the highest degree of purification, only a couple of plants are certified with us for this alcohol. Funky liquid, I’ll tell you, already sweeten,
    not divorced, you can drink completely calmly, but rightly, you can suffocate if you drink it incorrectly.
    1. OCD
      OCD 17 December 2015 09: 45
      +5
      If alcohol comes from the Caucasus, then ethyl. There is no production of methyl alcohol in the Caucasus. And when hucksters in Russia pour technical alcohol - methyl alcohol, etc. and poison the people, then we need to talk about this. And do not blame everything on the Caucasus.
      Ps In Ossetia, technical alcohol, even refined, is not even drunk by homeless people.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 17 December 2015 16: 18
        0
        Learn chemistry. The techie is ethyl alcohol, and all drinking solutions based on ethyl alcohol, vodka is a solution of ethyl alcohol, like wine, like cognac, like whiskey, and beer, and koumiss. etc. Learn production technology, learn chemistry at school and not religious books. But methyl alcohol is a POISON !!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 17 December 2015 08: 52
    -1
    Found a pancake problem. That palenka ... that umm ... natural selection ... such is not a pity ... let etch on. Nothing will fix them. You can’t pester each guardian.
  • Yurmix
    Yurmix 17 December 2015 08: 56
    0
    Quote: YURMIX
    They made a section, so to speak, on the rich middle class and the poor, I personally think that the poor are the class that has not lost their conscience

    Add a little about my existence. I take care of my lying mother myself, there’s no work, although the profession is not bad, although in truth, who needs me in these years at the factory, this is a preface to the comment. So I decided to sell the garage, we agreed on three green ones translated into tenge, gave 2100 and how to make documents 900 later. There was a bit of time until complete execution and the buck went uphill from 187 jumped to 337, the documents were ready by the time even when they gave 210 for the tenge. In general, now they say that we will give 900 at the old rate, is that so? Bucks, he is the bucks. So, even though I don’t drink it, I’ve taken the nerves for the second day already, I drink a beer to calm down a little. These are the things men recourse , and there was an opportunity to throw buyers into grandmothers, so to speak, and boil in addition to three pieces. By the way, those bought hold three stores.
    1. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: YURMIX
      By the way, those bought hold three stores

      Nor what do you want?
      So that the "holders" of 3 stores were simpletons, who, as there is nothing to do "to throw on the grandmother"?
      Well, they’d be looking for locksmiths fellow
      Quote: YURMIX
      but I’m giving up my nerves for the second day already, I drink beer to calm down a little

      Yes, the pivasik will VERY help this case - it will help much better than spending these 2 days studying the relevant legal literature.
  • Stoler
    Stoler 17 December 2015 09: 16
    +6
    Horseradish with those who buy the known! But when I go to the store and in some century, at a good price, I buy a bottle of vodka and it turns out to be some kind of rubbish - it does not fit into any framework. I am for the state monopoly !!!
    1. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 10: 45
      +1
      Quote: Stoler
      But when I go to the store and in some century, for a good price, I buy a bottle of vodka and it turns out to be some kind of rubbish - it does not fit into any framework.

      Where do you buy it? In a large chain store?
  • Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 17 December 2015 09: 24
    -1
    "13 tons of surrogate alcohol seized in the Chelyabinsk region."

    In Russia, the scale is huge!
    SUCCESS TO THE GOVERNMENT IN BORB WITH ALCOHOL !!
    1. Romanenko
      Romanenko 17 December 2015 10: 42
      +2
      Yes, no need to fight alcohol, many of our rulers have tried it, it's just time to stop the mess and monopolize production back. As for private traders, they were under the tsar, Smirnov da Shustov - the suppliers of the court of his Imperial Majesty, so this title still had to be achieved, it was just state certification and admission. But how many more were there?
      True, as for Smirnov’s vodka, and indeed the tsar’s vodka in general, it was produced using completely different technologies. All that we drink now is in accordance with GOST 1937, the so-called (I apologize in advance) Jewish vodka, a mixture of alcohol and water. She came to us from the left bank and Poland, where such a product was produced in the Jewish communities and was considered an illegal counterfeit for vodka, which at that time was simply to some extent purified moonshine, therefore the plants were called distilleries. But the production of distillate involves complex technology and costs are not comparable with the production of a mixed product. Alcohol can be made from anything. So they switched from 1937 to a mixture of water and alcohol. Therefore, do not be carried on the inscriptions on the labels - Made according to the old Russian recipe .... Bullshit. But that's another topic
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 17 December 2015 13: 08
        +2
        - "Alcohol can be made from anything ..." wassat
        - A couple of years ago, a friend told such a story: And, I must say, this acquaintance worked for many years in the North, in some places of hard labor ...
        - A peasant comes to the regional department, to the senior opera, with a proposal, they say, boss, let's take on a business that is unsolved, and you will determine me to sit away from these places ... Very necessary!
        - They began to ask the peasant: What a rush this is, well, you never know ... The peasant at first hesitated, and then told, not under the protocol, that he was working at local treatment facilities, and he started to drive moonshine from "waste of life" ...
        - And the business goes on - money is dripping, but began to strive: how does anyone know? Half the city that moonshine took, and the convicted - dashing people ... so he came to give up!
        1. Nekarmadlen
          Nekarmadlen 18 December 2015 02: 01
          0
          There was at one time a literary work about a soldier Chonkin (I don’t remember exactly who the author was) There, a veterinarian in the village made moonshine from manure and treated the NKVD officer)))))
          1. yashacat
            yashacat 19 December 2015 08: 37
            0
            The author of Chonkin is Voinovich.
  • DREDD
    DREDD 17 December 2015 09: 49
    +1
    Any vodka is the poison and weapon of our geopolitical opponents. It would be better if the state undertook the promotion of sobriety.
    1. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 10: 45
      +2
      Quote: DREDD
      It would be better if the state undertook the promotion of sobriety.

      And sometimes you turn on the TV and look around - even as it promotes.
  • kursk87
    kursk87 17 December 2015 09: 50
    +3
    The current situation on the alcoholic beverages market can be characterized as lawlessness. The perpetrators must be looked for in the power structures, without their "protection" is not possible here
  • tokens2
    tokens2 17 December 2015 09: 52
    +5
    Deadly degrees. Russia is flooded with fake alcohol

    It would be better if they thought about normal food.
    HERE TO DRINK A COCA-COLA FROM OFFICIAL FACTORIES - NOTHING!
    NOT SCARY! YES?
    The fun brings and the taste of an invigorating holiday the taste is always real! laughing
    Eh.chemistry one we eat. And we drink it.
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 17 December 2015 09: 56
    +5
    From the middle of the XVIII century in Russia there was a wine and vodka monopoly, and it has been practically up to our times (with slight changes at different times). But the drunk Borya decided to take as much as you want, drink as much as you like. And the greedy gangster-thieves, which we call "business", without seeing the rams, creates complete chaos, filling the market with an etched surrogate and the State Duma condones this, some of whose deputies have profits from this! Billions float past the state pocket, people are poisoned, and things are still there! And what the hell do we need such a legislative branch that does not think about the health of the population, does not care about the welfare of the country ?!
  • fa2998
    fa2998 17 December 2015 10: 02
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Vladimirovich
    And whoever "fuses" normal ethanol, from which no one is poisoned and does not die, the more so, as they have sold, they will be quietly selling to themselves. And they will never lose their clients, for obvious reasons.

    Quite right! In order to fight illegal vodka, the state needs to moderate its appetite a little. Instead of millions of salaries, officials need to give the people CHEAP vodka. I think in stores "real vodka" should cost 80-100 rubles, and all moonshiners and "palaechniks will be covered ". There will be profit! yes hi
    1. yashacat
      yashacat 19 December 2015 08: 42
      0
      I completely agree. And to decide who to drink how much is voluntary. The main thing is that the youth do not get drunk. If you raise the price to heaven, the youth will perceive alcohol consumption as a manifestation of coolness, as a measure of success.
  • AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 17 December 2015 10: 02
    +2
    However, what a burning topic! Leaves no one indifferent ...
    The question is whether to drink or not to drink, and what to drink at all, everyone decides for himself!
    And the most important thing! Most alcohol addicts, as a rule, were etched with products purchased in stores, with all the labels and excise stamps! It is a fact. And the main problem ... And it is with this that you need to solve something.
    Those who buy gammi juice in five-liter cans know what they are doing. I take the same from a trusted supplier. But the main trouble is that outright poison hits the shelves!
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 17 December 2015 13: 12
      0
      Ничего подобного.
      I saw such bottles. But there you can often see right away that something is wrong. Labels are crookedly pasted for example.
      I think it is necessary to be easier in needs.
      And monitor the conformity of price and quality.
      Well, do not buy in random places.
  • Romanenko
    Romanenko 17 December 2015 10: 25
    0
    Quote: apro
    And faith does not allow introducing a state monopoly on the production and sale of alcohol, incomes flow unclear where, people's health is threatened and disability in the case of grievous bodily harm, they are given disability pension to whom? And in case of loss of a breadwinner?

    I am absolutely in solidarity with the author, only a complete d-u-cancer, or an enemy of Russia, and as he said - "You know this man" could transfer such an item of income from the hands of the state into the hands of various crooks ...
    Remember the old expression "Tsarev's tavern" is not just said, it was clear a long time ago that since the population could not be without alcohol, let it bring income to the state ... Then I certainly deviated a little from the truth, but at the root of this tsar's tavern there was a sense This was, of course, a whole alcohol policy, people were accustomed to alcohol and pushed to use official vodka, but nevertheless, no one gave this money to all sorts of unclean hands, and was punished strictly for violating the state monopoly ...
  • WINovikov
    WINovikov 17 December 2015 10: 26
    10
    I'm an alcoholic. I haven’t been drinking for more than 30 years. Alcoholics of the former, as well as former FSB nicknames do not exist. Stopped drinking because if I drink the brakes fail. 2 times broke for 2-3 weeks. Then he stopped and finally it dawned on me: you can’t drink - don’t drink! So I do not drink. I tried everything that flows and everything that burns. I believe that the state has played a game of alcohol and vodka fraud and it is time to restore the state monopoly. And producers of surrogates are judged, planted and with complete confiscation of factories and property. Although I do not need it, but I am for the state monopoly!
  • aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 17 December 2015 10: 45
    0
    For trade in methyl, under trial for murder!
  • Genur
    Genur 17 December 2015 10: 48
    +2
    Quote: Down House
    this property of poorly educated andзcultural people


    Precisely noticed ...
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 17 December 2015 11: 07
    -2
    I've been stronger beer already five years old do not drink anything, and therefore the problem of the sheriff's niggas do not care.
    Who wants to die blue - let it. For a nearby example will be.
    But in general, all this is bukhalovo due to the disorder of citizens in our country, not only material. I've gotten a sovereign lie!
    Well, we can not put in the head of the golden calf in terms of mentality and genetic structure. This is not in Russian.
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 17 December 2015 12: 01
      +3
      Is it possible to call beer a swill that can be stored at room temperature almost forever? There is no beer on sale for a long time. request
    2. yashacat
      yashacat 19 December 2015 08: 46
      0
      Have you heard about beer alcoholism?
  • V.ic
    V.ic 17 December 2015 11: 08
    +1
    Timur Sultanovich Shaov. "On the dangers of drunkenness." Text.

    Somehow it was ... Antique times
    Drunk Achaeans stormed Troy.
    They waved their spears - knee-deep sea!
    Drunk Elena spat in them from above. (probably "vomited")

    Drunken Trojans defended the wall
    If not for the principle, they would drink Elena.
    Only one Cassandra, a sober trojan
    She immediately told them: "A booze will destroy you."

    Odysseus was the first to break into this Troy,
    And then it was flooded with thorn and wandered for twenty years.
    Those who survived the battles feasted for a long time,
    But later everyone died of cirrhosis.

    You see yourself, old man,
    That all trouble is from wine.
    Oh you liver, our liver
    Sorry, you alone have been given to us.

    Damn climbed to the ceiling
    Don’t be afraid, boy
    This is a delirium tremens
    She came to us for a light.

    You are a maniac, I am a maniac
    You drink vodka, I'm cognac
    You are port and I am dry
    We will not meet in any way!

    Here, too, was the case ... Being the subjects,
    Stormed Winter red the soldiers.
    Red sailors with red noses
    Sang "Varshavyanka" evil voices.

    In Winter, too, the booze stood out not weak -
    Transvestite Kerensky dressed up as a woman.
    Only one non-drinking Octobrist Rodzianko
    He said from the rostrum: “The booze will kill you».

    Then the general fun rolled
    Still sausages a severe hangover.
    Ladies and gentlemen, stop drinking,
    And not that, after all, let’s see Varshavyanka again.

    Drink Paris and Yerevan
    Drink New York and Magadan.
    Yes, when will they get drunk
    Workers of all countries!

    The queen gave birth to the night
    Either son or daughter
    Here is a lesson for high school students,
    Drive drunks away.

    And the other gave birth
    Us a double-headed eagle,
    This coat of arms suits us -
    From the throat and in two trunks.

    Hello grandfather cirrhosis
    You brought us a present
    “Sirepar”, “Essentiale”,
    All rubbish a whole cart.

    Fighting drunkenness rashly,
    They drank a lot of pervach
    For Egor Kuzmich
    And Mikhail Sergeich.

    Aili-luli-ai-luli,
    For the last rubles
    I drink for peace, for humanism
    And for the sobriety of the whole Earth
    .
  • Sotnik77s
    Sotnik77s 17 December 2015 11: 09
    0
    this is a misfortune in all regions of Russia, in our region all the affairs are being run by cops. just like everywhere else, in private stores, if they don’t take left-handed alcohol, they create such problems for the owners that it’s better to take them, and not far from me, I live in the regional center , Armenians have been selling left vodka for as long as 20 years, at home, if not more, and no one is doing anything to him, how many people have already died from his vodka, only the Lord knows, and throughout the country how many lives are there, it’s just horrible
  • oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 17 December 2015 11: 29
    -1
    Article provakatsya let the people let off steam, otherwise they will think that the debt will not return, the prices are rising, the housing and communal services are overpowered, they are asking uncomfortable questions. At the expense of the state with the Sov. of times everyone knew as soon as they begin to think about the people, everything will be PORT.
    1. Nekarmadlen
      Nekarmadlen 18 December 2015 02: 06
      0
      By the way, in Soviet times, several modern and powerful alcohol plants were built in (in) Ukraine ... By the way, is it interesting that neighbors have cases of mass poisoning with methanol products?
  • Valter1364
    Valter1364 17 December 2015 11: 45
    +3
    For five years now, I have been making wine and moonshine myself.
    Not so long ago, the devil pulled to drink 150 grams of Balantines whiskey. Result - I got sick all the next day.
    By and large, the monopoly on alcohol should be in the hands of the state.
    But when wild capitalism is in the yard, this is hardly possible.
    Therefore, the most popular production is the production of moonshine stills. drinks
    1. OCD
      OCD 17 December 2015 15: 04
      0
      A bottle of "Bavaria" beer, a liter or one and a half of Ossetian araki - moonshine from corn, well, after 300 grams of Balantines. This is all under khinkali. Nothing hurts in the morning. Drink quality drinks in good company. Balantines is good quality Scotch whiskey. And if you drink filth, what questions can there be.
      1. Valter1364
        Valter1364 17 December 2015 21: 06
        0
        About balance and that. From the company store! But it turned out to be singed. Go guess!
        1. OCD
          OCD 18 December 2015 08: 56
          0
          A substitute may appear in a company store only due to dishonesty of employees. Most likely they sold a surrogate bought on the side.
  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 17 December 2015 11: 51
    +3
    Buy yourself a home distiller and drink it calmly. wink
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 17 December 2015 12: 29
      +1
      Exactly so, the benefit of a moonshine still + distillation column is quite possible to buy relatively inexpensively, if you do not chase volumes laughing
      And then make your own high-grade vodka from alcohol and use it in the company of friends with your own, again, high-quality pickles drinks
      The main thing is that you don’t wassat
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 17 December 2015 13: 15
        0
        You’ll do it, but it will turn out tasteless.
        How to remove fusel oils for example. And where to get water. With chlorine from the tap ?. Problem.
        1. vadimtt
          vadimtt 17 December 2015 13: 28
          0
          Something you confuse alcohol with moonshine smile
          After rectification (from a working hot column) you will not find fusel oils.
          And for water there are membrane filters (if volumes are needed) or the old fashioned way - your own charcoal.

          PS: Actually, I meant that everything is done in the country, in the apartment I probably wouldn’t do it, and the water from the well is like spring, tasty bully