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How Kazakhstan becomes a friendship champion with China

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Despite the fall in commodity turnover and investment, Kazakhstan’s relations with China are experiencing a rapid rise. Astana becomes a pioneer in many Chinese projects in Central Asia: from the promotion of the Silk Road Economic Belt to the transfer of Chinese industries




Probably nowhere in the former Soviet Union, China has achieved so much this year as in Kazakhstan. The Chinese have emerged from the raw zone of comfort in a kind of development zone, including almost all segments of the Kazakh economy. This breakthrough is explained not only by a subtle calculation of Beijing strategists or the talents of Kazakhstan’s negotiators, but also by the objective coincidence of the economic interests of the two countries.

At first glance, things in the economic cooperation of Kazakhstan and China are not particularly impressive. The trade turnover between the two countries in 2014 amounted to $ 17,2 billion - a fall of almost a quarter over the previous year, 2013. This year we can expect the same low numbers. But these trends have a simple explanation. The reduction in commodity turnover in dollar terms is due to the collapse in commodity prices and the devaluation of the tenge.

However, it is precisely the economic difficulties that make Astana and Beijing more actively move towards each other. This is especially true for Kazakhstan. A few jumps in the devaluation of the national currency, depreciating the tenge by 30%, the start of layoffs and cuts, and most importantly - a decline in budget revenues due to falling oil prices, forced even President Nazarbayev to announce an unprecedented crisis.

Accordingly, this forces Astana to seek the widest possible access for its goods to the Chinese market and as large as possible investments from China. There are no other external drivers for the growth of Kazakhstan’s economy: Russia is in an economic crisis, and the West has no interest in Central Asia, especially against the background of low commodity prices.

However, China is also extremely interested in relations with Kazakhstan, which is also experiencing a slowdown in the economy (GDP growth is expected to be at the level of 7% instead of 10,5% on average in 2000 – 2010 years). Chinese interest in Kazakhstan is primarily associated with the promotion of the Silk Road Economic Belt project, and secondly with the creation of the Eurasian Economic Union. If at least some of the projects that are being discussed by the two states will be implemented, then China’s position not only in the Kazakh economy, but also in other areas of the country's life will be strengthened many times over.

In recent years, Kazakhstan has become one of the most important areas in China’s foreign policy. Here you can start with constant reminders that it was in Astana in September 2013 that Xi Jinping presented the idea of ​​the Silk Road Economic Belt and end with an exclusively honorable reception, which Nazarbayev rendered during his visit to China in September of this year. Of all the world leaders who arrived in China on Victory Day, only the president of Kazakhstan was given the opportunity to present the trip as a state visit. The participation of Kazakhstani soldiers in the Chinese parade, an honorable place in the group photo, emphasis and signed contracts gave reason to say that Kazakhstan is becoming an increasingly important partner for China.

This year, Nazarbayev and Sy have already held four meetings. During the September visit, in addition to several dozen documents worth nearly $ 25 billion, a Joint Declaration on a new stage of comprehensive strategic cooperation was signed, where countries formalized the correlation of the Chinese Silk Road strategy and the Kazakhstan infrastructure development program Nurly Zhol (“Bright Way” ). The latter was accepted by Astana as one of the anti-crisis measures and, for the most part, was originally planned as a potential segment of the Chinese Silk Road.

In addition to plans for China’s participation in upgrading Kazakhstan’s transport infrastructure (for example, China’s free construction projects on the Great Almaty Ring Road, the road to the border with China to Alashankou station, and a large-scale public transport optimization project in Astana), we should mention the Kazakhstan’s terminal in Lianyungang port (连云港), which only following the results of 2015 of the year, will transport 250 thousands of containers from the countries of the Asia-Pacific through Kazakhstan to Europe. By 2020, the transit volume is planned to double.

China is ready to invest in the creation of a wide variety of industries in Kazakhstan: from electric power industry to oilseeds processing, from oil and gas equipment to automobiles. In total this year more than forty projects are defined. Chinese Ambassador to Kazakhstan, Zhang Hanhui (张汉晖), said that given the positive developments in 2015, the amount of signed contracts will exceed $ 50 billion. In general, over the past two years, the amount of signed agreements will be approximately $ 70 billion.

As for the Chinese reaction to the creation of the Eurasian Economic Union, here China and Kazakhstan are also carrying out their bilateral work. Of the recent achievements, we can mention the work on the harmonization of national quality standards between the two countries, which will help remove some trade barriers. In addition, in November, China lifted a number of restrictions on imports of agricultural products in Kazakhstan, which Astana has been seeking for a long time. Also simplified procedure for obtaining visas for business trips.

Another new aspect of cooperation between the two countries is the plans to transfer some Chinese industries to Kazakhstan. Back in 2014, Chinese Premier Li Keqiang said that China is ready to open glass, cement and agricultural processing plants in Kazakhstan. Later, Kazakh Prime Minister Karim Masimov explained that "it is a question of transferring the capacity of the non-primary sector." Today, Kazakhstan is viewed by China as a kind of testing ground for the transfer of Chinese industries to the Silk Road countries.

Astana, of course, will not be a pioneer, since China is already actively transferring its production, for example, to Africa. However, for the post-Soviet space this is a pilot project. President Nazarbayev received official assurances that portable production will be environmentally friendly, and Kazakhstan's interests are respected.

If the processes launched this year are successfully implemented, Kazakhstan will become the most important segment of the Silk Road, one of the largest projects in China in recent years. The question is how other regional and world powers will perceive it.
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  1. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 17 December 2015 11: 11 New
    +4
    They dream of the Silk Road bypassing Russia. China is going to build a railway linking China and Kazakhstan. They have big economic plans among themselves. Let's see what such a "union" will lead to.
    1. Atrix
      Atrix 17 December 2015 11: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Let's see what such a "union" will lead to.

      This will lead to the strengthening of China in the post-Soviet space and the weakening of the role of Russia. The essence of all the CIS countries is to be friends with those with whom it is beneficial, yesterday it was beneficial to be friends with Russia, they were friends and swore love. And today it is beneficial to be friends with China and now they will lick in the gums with China.
      1. Temples
        Temples 17 December 2015 11: 19 New
        12
        China will take everything that is bad.
        All the Asian fragments of the empire cannot become independent.
        Or return to Russia. (if our rulers will not play liberalism and democracy)
        Or China will pick up. (there doesn’t even smell like liberalism)
        Or the Anglo-Saxons will arrange a war. (triumph of democracy!)
        1. WKS
          WKS 17 December 2015 11: 52 New
          0
          I liked the proper name - Chinese Ambassador to Kazakhstan Zhang Hanhu (e) th (张汉晖). Alien to the Russian ear, “E” was clearly inserted for euphony.
      2. Akella
        Akella 17 December 2015 11: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: Atrix
        The essence of all CIS countries is to be friends with those with whom it is beneficial

        All countries do this, except for Russia. Maybe we should stop looking for friendship of Christ sellers of all stripes, from Montenegro, Bulgaria to other Argentines and Jordan? They (the current pseudo-allies) and in peacetime, no, no and yes, they will “throw” Russia. And what they will do in the face of a military threat is understandable without a visit to a fortuneteller.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 17 December 2015 16: 55 New
          +9
          This is a two-way benefit. Look at the geographic map of the continent. China is separated from its western neighbors (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Central Asia and Kazakhstan) by mountains. And the highest in the world. Altai, Tien Shan, Pamir, Hindu Kush, Tibet, Himalayas. Heights over 5 m. And there are only 000 year-round passes through them, and both in Kazakhstan. Therefore, the Silk Road (SHP) is easiest to pull through us. By the way, ShP is Nazarbayev’s idea, which began to be implemented in the 2s by building overload facilities, the railway gauge is different. The Chinese wanted to build their railway gauge in the RK - we chopped off.
          Therefore, the latest agreement with the PRC is the fruit of 20 years of cooperation. And not always everything goes smoothly. And now for Russia, for example, Beijing offers to ship grain to China ... in bags (to us, too). Or for example, Beijing’s share in Kazakhstan’s oil industry fell from 33% to over 20.
          At the same time, everyone understands which market China represents (1,3 billion people with a frenzied rise in China's GDP). Take those gas wars. Or disagreements between Central Asia and the Russian Federation on gas - in summer gas consumption falls and there is nowhere to sell gas (Gazprom is forced to "chop off" Central Asia from the pipe). The Chinese market removes all these differences. Kazakhstan on its own initiative proposed at its own expense (Beijing was ready to pay for the construction itself) to build gas pipelines in China. No sooner said than done. 55 billion cubic meters amounted to 3 branches. Everyone is happy. Turkmens and Uzbeks gained access to the Chinese market, and thus the graters with Gazprom were completed, the Chinese received volumes equal to one third of all gas consumed. Kazakhstan - transit and gasification of the south of the country. Gazprom is a field for maneuver. And if he builds the eastern infrastructure (the Power of Siberia and Altai) and combines it with the western one, then the more Central Asia will attract (interest) gas. All CA gas will go through the EAEU. And this is Russia's influence on the countries of Central Asia - this is only one aspect of economic influence (I write this to those who believe that Moscow is losing ground in Central Asia). Another economic aspect, about which little is known in the Russian Federation, ... oil and fuels and lubricants. Kazakhstan alone buys 1 million tons of high-octane gasoline (above AI-92) from Russia. Pavlodar and Chimkent (refineries) are working on the growth. oil (from the Soviet. times laid an oil pipeline from Tyumen to the south of Kazakhstan). Well, as the article says, I confirm agricultural. the market for Central Asia is more important than the Russian one, Chinese is still very difficult to give. And the biggest dependence on Russia is security. Not even by the army, but by equipment and weapons - everything is Soviet. That is, the same ammunition, ammunition and shells, spare parts for equipment. Even Kazakhstan (as the richest) is not capable of "changing shoes" for another.
          And I also want to note the Chinese. They are not the first time we are substituting their financial leverage. Well, we do not fail with returns. The level of confidence in money (loans, investments) is very high. I noticed that no matter how much we ask, the Chinese do not refuse. There used to be more suspicions. And very attentive to our criticism. We were unhappy that Beijing was only investing in raw materials projects - they had responded, and as noted in the article, they were ready to take part in the industrialization of Kazakhstan. We were unhappy with the influx of Chinese into the country - they reacted - now more Koreans can be found.
          Well, I want to note that our cooperation with Beijing is in the hands of Moscow. For Russia, the impoverished Central Asia and Kazakhstan are not needed for nothing - only problems. But Moscow does not have money for the development of the region, so China harmoniously supplements and fills the region’s economic niche. hi
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 17 December 2015 18: 27 New
            +6
            Output.
            Any analysts and experts can write anything about the influence of the United States and China in Central Asia. But Kazakhstan has long drew all points. Since 1993, the National Academy of Sciences has only been repeating for the new UNION, and thus has received support from all the nat. Diaspora of Kazakhstan, therefore, and all this time sitting in the chair of the president. Look at the map. All railways and roads, pipelines lead from Central Asia to the north, through Kazakhstan and Russia to the West and through Kazakhstan to Asia. That is, through the EAEU. Almost all foreign trade (except for railways to Afghanistan and Iran) of Central Asia goes through the EAEU. And this is a huge addiction. So Astana, no matter how arrogant it may sound, has drawn Moscow’s influence through the EAEU in the region (in economic terms). Whether those Uzbeks and Turkmens want or not, but everyone will be in the EAEU.
            A little about economy. crisis. Like the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan has a higher export rate than imports. Before the crisis (2013), this was the ratio of 70% (export) and 30% (import) from all external trade turnover. Yes, prices fell more than half the price of oil. But the incoming currency is enough to block imports. Well, we will give up the Baltic sprats and euro cheese, and there will be enough currency. And if you look at the industrialization program of Kazakhstan, then ... we will survive. We are having holidays (First President’s Day, Independence Day) and new industrial capacities were commissioned. Examples of those that are more powerful: GOK of copper concentrate per 100 tons. tons per year near Pavlodar; a pharmaceutical factory near Alma-Ata for 20 drugs, the country's largest wind power plant, a chemical plant for the production of some kind of “weighting agent” for oil, a large meat factory, a third branch of the gas pipeline in China, diz. engines for locomotives (there are already orders from Iran), etc. hi
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 17 December 2015 19: 16 New
              +6
              I ask everyone to carefully re-read the post of my countryman Kasym

              But in general I’ll add. that the Kazakhs are steppe nomads and for thousands of years our ancestors opposed China. protecting the borders of our (Russian) Eurasian world

              Kazakhs will never fall under China. The sad experience of Inner Mongolia. Dungan, Uyghur, Xinjiang is there and we all see

              On the other hand. Compared to much greater evil, China is now a lesser evil, and for 20-30 years it is an ally of Eurasia - that is, Russia and Kazakhstan

              While Russia plays a “friendship” with China, Kazakhstan will also help Russia play

              But NEVER BROWN YOUR HEAD on a healthy one !! Kazakhs are "friends" with China only while Russia is doing it - this is Russia's choice and situation

              And we don’t need to figure out for good - not even a coward - Kazakhstan will never go under China itself - we all have a vaccination of "Chinaphobia" for thousands of years
              1. avt
                avt 17 December 2015 20: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: Talgat
                Kazakhs will never lie under China

                Never say never again
                Quote: Talgat
                On the other hand. Compared to much greater evil, China is now a lesser evil,

                what What is it like ? How is big Satan and small in Iran? And then who is big?
                Quote: Talgat
                Kazakhs are "friends" with China only while Russia is doing it - this is Russia's choice and situation

                Well that's for sure
                Quote: Talgat
                NEVER FELL WITH A SICK HEAD TO A HEALTHY !!

                What does Russia have to do with it! ??
                Quote: Talgat
                Kazakhs are nomadic steppes and for thousands of years our ancestors opposed China. protecting the borders of our (Russian) Eurasian world

                And you can find out - when did China actually arrange World Wars before?
                Quote: Talgat
                While Russia plays a “friendship” with China, Kazakhstan will also help Russia play

                Let's just say - while in the framework of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, Russia provides a “nuclear umbrella”, under conditions of mutually beneficial conditions for both sides to exist within the framework of the EAEU, or simply bilateral agreements, it doesn’t matter, Kazakhstan can really “play” with China. It will be possible for Kazakhstan to somehow become a real Player of the Big Game - you will play "without looking at Russia, well, in the sense - will hedge, or not, if China uses, the last argument of the kings."
                Quote: Talgat
                I ask everyone to carefully re-read the post of my countryman Kasym

                Well, normal post and so? Well, what is so unexpected? Business - nothing personal in the framework of the EAEU cartel agreement and bilateral agreements with China. Well, the NAS plans to raise money in transit, well, the flag is in the hands - the extra money has never bothered anyone in the budget. At the same time, we will quickly turn around with the reconstruction of the Trans-Siberian Railway and the Baikal-Amur Mainline, and with the Power of Siberia, and with the Northern Sea Route. Sabetu, the railway to her stretched out, here's another option ,, Mangazeya. "
          2. Humpty
            Humpty 17 December 2015 20: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: Kasym
            And the highest in the world. Altai, Tien Shan, Pamir, Hindu Kush, Tibet, Himalayas. Heights over 5 m. And there are only 000 year-round passes through them, and both in Kazakhstan.

            Not at all true. There are at least 4 year-round passes with good roads reconstructed by the Chinese.
            Kulma pass - to Tajikistan (4400).
            Hungerjab - to Pakistan (4700) - the busiest in terms of cargo passage.
            Torugart (3750) and Irkeshtam (2800) to Kyrgyzstan.
            Quote: Kasym
            Therefore, the Silk Road (SHP) is easiest to pull through us.


            Naturally, because built railway, in the simplest and most convenient place.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 17 December 2015 21: 29 New
              +1
              In Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan in the winter is not comme il faut - from the words of truckers. And yes, of course it was meant railway - on trucks it is unprofitable to drag to the EU. hi
              1. Humpty
                Humpty 18 December 2015 05: 03 New
                0
                Quote: Kasym
                In Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan in the winter is not comme il faut - from the words of truckers. And yes, of course it was meant railway - on trucks it is unprofitable to drag to the EU. hi

                Nothing people pass, and the ice that happens happens everywhere. Shops, cafes, gas stations, parking lots, all of this is full.
                Our dreamers would like the Chinese to stretch railways through Kyrgyzstan. The Chinese, in principle, have plenty of possible energy and transport infrastructure development projects, only our dreamers are usually not negotiable.
                Alyosha recently traveled around the world, in Qatar and Kuwait he was looking for the saviors of a dying economy. Everyone dreams like Arkasha.
                hi
    2. dauria
      dauria 17 December 2015 11: 21 New
      -15
      Let's see what such a "union" will lead to.


      To the Maidan with the slogan "I want lace panties to Beijing" wink
    3. Tor5
      Tor5 17 December 2015 11: 31 New
      0
      As one would expect, it is easier to negotiate with Nazarbayev than with our president.
      1. armata37
        armata37 17 December 2015 12: 11 New
        +2
        You do not want to say that our president needs to be more accommodating? Personally, I think that in relation to relations with China, it is just necessary to show less coercion. They are not our enemies and not friends.
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    5. Manager
      Manager 17 December 2015 11: 36 New
      +3
      We profiled the Silk Road. It has already been launched around Russia. The reason for this is the price that our broke for the construction. The Chinese smiled and went to Kazakhstan.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 17 December 2015 11: 39 New
        +1
        Let them be friends, the Chinese must protect themselves from the Uyghur radicals.
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 17 December 2015 11: 40 New
        0
        Let them be friends, the Chinese must protect themselves from the Uyghur radicals.
      3. avt
        avt 17 December 2015 11: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Manager
        We profiled the Silk Road. He was already allowed around Russia

        And since the time of its founding in Russia, he never went.
        Quote: Manager
        The reason for this is the price that our broke for the construction.

        To whom and what, they’ve broken it — an artistic whistle. The Chinese are not just making a transport corridor — they are preparing the infrastructure for the development of adjacent territories. This is what Russia was doing when moving south and east, well, the Angles in India to the North and what the USSR continued to do. and the current ,, effective managers "from the" Witnesses Gaidarova "sect were declared neither market nor effective, they were sung by the" defenders "of the Solzhenitsyn spill about the" totalitarian "Belomorkanal and BAM. Now it’s true that some of them corrected the plate a little - they explain the inefficiency by low bandwidth, but again the totalitarian past is to blame - the Stalinists did not see the market prospects. wassat Russia has its own alternative to the Silk Road - the Northern Sea Route, under which ships of all kinds of ice classes to icebreakers are being built at an accelerated pace and coastal infrastructure, including defense infrastructure, is being built. This is much more reliable if there are multi-vector "countries / partners on the Silk Road" with their national and religious quacks.
      4. Extraneous
        Extraneous 17 December 2015 12: 07 New
        +4
        We profiled the Silk Road.


        The Silk Road consists of two branches: - Through Kazakhstan to the Transcaucasus, Georgia, Turkey to the BV. And Through Kazakhstan - Russia to Europe. The second way requires more injections and reconstruction of the railway. Now it is suspended due to economic difficulties. But it will be implemented anyway.
        The so-called "bypass" of Russia is just one of the branches of this path and shouts about its alternative - Turkish PR.

        Kazakhstan in the future global alignment is planned as a new global financial center. Corresponding infrastructure is already being built there. Kazakhstan is selected because of its convenient location. Now money will be actively pouring in to develop the economy of Kazakhstan in order to protect it from political risks.
        1. avt
          avt 17 December 2015 12: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: Stranger
          The so-called "bypass" of Russia is just one of the branches of this path and shouts about its alternative - Turkish PR.

          Oh oh
          Quote: Stranger
          Kazakhstan in the future global alignment is planned as a new global financial center.

          wassat laughing laughing And tenge has already become the new world reserve currency .... Oh! it happened with the yuan ... Well, probably the Chinese will hammer a bolt in the Middle Kingdom and move to Kazakhstan for permanent residence, so to speak, they move to a new, promised land " laughing But somewhere I’ve heard it all before ... Ah - ahhh! So there was one such dreamer and he was already building “Asian Switzerland”! laughing Yes, almost there, but to the south and higher in the mountains. Do you want to search and name the name of this wise leader? Well, at the same time, the current place of residence and state status laughing
          1. Extraneous
            Extraneous 17 December 2015 14: 35 New
            0
            The world currency is Yuan. And under it is built a financial structure in Kazakhstan.
            Or does the IMF with its dollar stuffing not convince you?
            Read financial analytics.
            Wise Leader - Trans-national financial institutions.
            1. avt
              avt 17 December 2015 15: 49 New
              0
              Quote: Stranger
              The world currency is Yuan.

              And the financial center of Kazakhstan .... wassat Normally so, ,, Mumu "was written by Turgenev, but a monument to Pushkin. laughing
              Quote: Stranger
              . And under it is built a financial structure in Kazakhstan.

              NOT CONSTRUCTED, but ADJUSTABLE.
              Quote: Stranger
              Wise Leader - Trans-national financial institutions.

              This is the answer to
              Quote: avt
              So there was one such dreamer and he was already building “Asian Switzerland”!
              ?? Well, when from his astral
              Quote: Stranger
              Read financial analytics.

              come into reality - you will learn a lot of interesting things about life.
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    6. Pernakus
      Pernakus 17 December 2015 12: 28 New
      +1
      Have you tried to watch a map? From China to Europe by ferry across the Caspian Sea? Everything that will definitely go to Europe through Kazakhstan-Russia, and that to the south - along the southern route, through the Caspian.
      1. Alibekulu
        17 December 2015 15: 44 New
        +5
        Quote: Pernakus
        Did you try to look at the map? From China to Europe by ferry across the Caspian Sea?
        Maybe not right request but I met information that China is developing a project for a super-bridge through the Caspian. It seems like, while there will be a gas / and oil pipeline, they will be the supports of this giant. Although maybe I messed up something .. wassat
        Quote: atalef
        And how through Kazakhstan and bypassing Russia, and why did China choose this way?
        With the Kremlin, you don’t know with whom she still quarrels. Won with Ukraine overlap each other constantly. With Turkey, so clear. In addition to this conflict with Georgia. Well, hysteria with the "Cross Father". And "Plato" is introduced on time. (By the way, Astana needs to pay attention to the roads along the Russian Federation so that truckers bypassing the “Plato” will dive into Kazakhstan)
        As a result, Russia already has a "long history"
        And accordingly, all this can seriously hit the transit. Naturally, Beijing tries to minimize risks.
        Example, on the border of the Russian Federation stuck trucks with Turkish goods for Kazakhstan.
        Quote: Stranger
        Kazakhstan in the coming world scenario is planned as a new global financial center. The corresponding infrastructure is already under construction there.
        Visible and understandable about the concept of the Financial Center "Astana"
      2. Extraneous
        Extraneous 17 December 2015 15: 53 New
        +1
        Not to Europe, to BV. To Europe will be through Russia
    7. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 17 December 2015 14: 09 New
      +1
      ". China is going to build a railway linking China and Kazakhstan" ////

      Why in the future tense? It has already been built.
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 17 December 2015 14: 37 New
        +1
        It is about modernizing the railway from Kazakhstan through Russia to Europe.
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    9. atalef
      atalef 17 December 2015 14: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: dchegrinec
      They dream of the Silk Road bypassing Russia. China is going to build a railway linking China and Kazakhstan. They have big economic plans among themselves. Let's see what such a "union" will lead to.

      And how, through Kazakhstan and bypassing Russia, and why did China choose this path?
      1. andj61
        andj61 17 December 2015 15: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: dchegrinec
        They dream of the Silk Road bypassing Russia. China is going to build a railway linking China and Kazakhstan. They have big economic plans among themselves. Let's see what such a "union" will lead to.

        And how, through Kazakhstan and bypassing Russia, and why did China choose this path?

        China has long had plans for two alternative routes along the continent that complement each other - via Xinjiang, Central Asia and Kazakhstan to Russia and further to Europe, as well as via Russia directly (option - through Mongolia). And these options do not compete, but organically complement each other. Also, oil and gas from both Western Siberia and Kazakhstan from Central Asia can also be transported - and are already being transported - to China.
        And this railway has already been built - we have yet another transport corridor.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 17 December 2015 18: 54 New
          +2
          Alexander, the concept of the Silk Road is extensive. This is not one or two routes. From China to Kazakhstan and in all directions: Central Asia, Iran, through the Caspian Sea to Azerbaijan, Russia and further to the EU. In the EU, it is more profitable through Russia because of downtime at the borders. And through the Russian Federation, Belarus without borders to the EU.
          The route, which was recently blocked in the media through Azerbaijan, is very "difficult" for Western businessmen. It is rather (this is a route) regional. 2 overloads on the seas and an additional three borders to pass. So Russian is the best for Europe.
          They built a road to Iran and further to the Persian Gulf (there is still work to be done), there are roads to the Central Asian countries, and a railway ferry to Azerbaijan was built and launched. In Russia, too, there are, but there are no agreements on the number, transit time, etc. .. Why are the Russians lingering, I don’t understand? hi
          The only pipeline from Central Asia to China is now completely under ... Rosneft. Last year, 70%, in this the whole volume was taken - Rosneft “falls” on the agreed deliveries, prices also fell ... in short, Astana gave Rosneft all the power. Now they are building the second phase to increase the pumping to 20 mil. tons
        2. avt
          avt 17 December 2015 20: 22 New
          -1
          Quote: andj61
          . And these options do not compete, but organically complement each other.

          What a fright then?
          Quote: andj61
          - we have another transport corridor.

          “The corridors end with a wall, and the tunnels bring to light." Well, you yourself write -
          Quote: andj61
          Also, oil and gas from both Western Siberia and Kazakhstan from Central Asia can also be transported - and are already being transported - to China.

          That is, confirm -
          Quote: avt
          . The Chinese are not just making a transport corridor - they are preparing the infrastructure for the development of adjacent territories. This is what Russia did when moving south and east, well, the Angles in India to the North and what the USSR continued to do,

          Yes, in fact, and the USA pulled the railway from ocean to ocean precisely for this, and not just for the sake of the corridor. The Chinese have taken the path of lesser resistance and costs, both now and not for themselves, he walked a corridor and seemed to end with a wall, "but for someone who is weaker, there are no beneficiaries, they are heavy passengers in business.
  2. RUSS
    RUSS 17 December 2015 11: 11 New
    +1
    I wonder if the Kazakhs are afraid that China will devour them?
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 17 December 2015 11: 43 New
      +3
      are the Kazakhs not afraid that China will devour them
      -It is unlikely that he will “swallow” them, draw them into his sphere of economic and political interests, it is possible. But the Kazakhs do not have much choice now. And Russia is weak, waging 2 wars. So, it logically turns out that Kazakhstan will be in the zone of influence of China .-For he has only one alternative, or to be in the zone of influence of the United States, but you certainly can’t expect good from them. If the Chinese still have a question with the Americans, everything is clear as day.
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 17 December 2015 11: 43 New
      0
      are the Kazakhs not afraid that China will devour them
      -It is unlikely that he will “swallow” them, draw them into his sphere of economic and political interests, it is possible. But the Kazakhs do not have much choice now. And Russia is weak, waging 2 wars. So, it logically turns out that Kazakhstan will be in the zone of influence of China .-For he has only one alternative, or to be in the zone of influence of the United States, but you certainly can’t expect good from them. If the Chinese still have a question with the Americans, everything is clear as day.
    3. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 December 2015 11: 43 New
      -3
      They are rather afraid that if something happens in the north, they will hold a referendum, a large number of polite and well-equipped people. laughing
      1. Alibekulu
        17 December 2015 16: 01 New
        +9
        Quote: BlackMokona
        They are rather afraid that if something happens in the north, they will hold a referendum, a large number of polite and well-equipped people.
        I think another referendum you will not survive laughing
        Girl rides alone in the train compartment. He goes to bed, suddenly a Georgian enters the compartment and begins to undress. The girl covered one leg with a blanket and said:
        - What are you hairy? I already got goose bumps ...
        Georgian, without answering, go to bed.
        In the morning a girl asks him:
        - And I thought yesterday that you will start pestering?! ...
        - Devushka! Pitnatsat once syphilis, vasemnatsat once ganareya ... Mina is looking for your crawls ne did not have.
        Chechnya, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Crimea, Donbass, Syria, Olympics, World Cup 2018 in football .. belay Kazakhstan still didn’t have enough ..
        Quote: RUSS
        I wonder if the Kazakhs are afraid that China will devour them?
        In Kazakhstan, there is no choice. Ek-ka in a steep dive. The other day the tenge fell again. And it's not over yet. Foreign exchange reserves are rapidly decreasing. And Ak-Orda is in a hurry while there is time and money to launch the "Silk Road" so that its income at least somehow compensates for the loss of raw material income ..
        R.S. If you have misplaced somewhere, correct hi
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 17 December 2015 17: 48 New
          -1
          I think one more referendum you will not survive laughing

          I am not from the USA, just a curved flag program laughing
      2. Guard
        Guard 17 December 2015 16: 30 New
        +5
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Rather, they are afraid that if something happens in the north, they will hold a referendum, a large number of polite and well-equipped people. laughing

        It’s good that most Russians are more adequate ...
    4. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 17 December 2015 14: 16 New
      -1
      But they don’t really think about it yet.
  3. Vikings
    Vikings 17 December 2015 11: 15 New
    0
    The championship is well-known and not secret! In one phrase. The friendship of Leo and the kid!
    I think who is Leo and who is the kid of mystery. The pledge of this friendship, the energy carriers of the kaz
    hov, and their dumping prices on them!
  4. kapitan92
    kapitan92 17 December 2015 11: 22 New
    +7
    This "friendship" should have been predicted. Kazakhstan with a vast territory has a population of about 16 million people. The country is rich in natural resources. This is just a Klondike for China!
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 17 December 2015 19: 00 New
      +2
      This friendship is fundamental for China because of ... Uighurs. MIRAGE 2 writes everything correctly. Between the Chinese and Kazakhs live 30 million Uyghurs. And if it touches an extreme case, then ... give the Uyghurs machine guns, otherwise they will throw at the Chinese with knives ... God forbid, as they say. But the Uighurs are “forcing” the Chinese to be friends with Central Asia and Kazakhstan - and they have nowhere to go. hi
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 17 December 2015 20: 19 New
        +1
        That the Russian tsar in 1870, that Stalin did not act too far-sighted, surrendering East Turkestan to the Chinese. And so we would have a buffer Turkic-Muslim state on the border with China.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 17 December 2015 20: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: Zymran
          That the Russian tsar in 1870, that Stalin did not act too far-sighted, surrendering East Turkestan to the Chinese. And so we would have a buffer Turkic-Muslim state on the border with China.

          So were the kings and competent comrades from Stalin, together with the White Guards, not far-sighted? What helped the Chinese to keep the XUAR. There would be “Afghanistan / 2” there. Basmachism, drugs, riots. That is. everything is as before. It is a pity that Iliy had to give the Chinese back, really the pearl of Wed Of Asia.
          Uigur terrorists haven’t climbed to you yet, no? They climbed to us. They beat them all. 11. Our chasers posthumously awarded, managed to shoot two.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 December 2015 11: 22 New
    +8
    relations between Kazakhstan and China are booming

    Both SCO member countries, in addition, have a common border. Therefore, there is nothing to be surprised at.
  6. Alekst
    Alekst 17 December 2015 11: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: dchegrinec
    They dream of the Silk Road bypassing Russia. China is going to build a railway linking China and Kazakhstan. They have big economic plans among themselves. Let's see what such a "union" will lead to.

    What is the bypass of Russia related to the construction of the China-Kazakhstan railway?
    1. good7
      good7 17 December 2015 11: 44 New
      +5
      I am happy for Kazakhstan, let the people occupy themselves with production! Well done Chinese why tricks to arrange each other? Let the Turks and Arabs get carried away with Middle Eastern action!
    2. dchegrinec
      dchegrinec 17 December 2015 11: 45 New
      0
      There is no way on the map. However, initially the plans were to strengthen the Trans-Siberian branch to China for subsequent economic projects. Later, China suspended this project and decided to build a road on its own to Kazakhstan without the participation of Russia. The variability of its policy is in the face.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 17 December 2015 18: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: dchegrinec
        There is no way on the map. However, initially the plans were to strengthen the Trans-Siberian branch to China for subsequent economic projects. Later, China suspended this project and decided to build a road on its own to Kazakhstan without the participation of Russia. The variability of its policy is in the face.

        Most likely, here’s a simple calculation than paying Russian Railways for a transit of 3000 km. It’s better to drive the Chinese by their rail to their western border, and for the remaining way to pay the transit of Kazakhstan and then Russian Railways or to southern countries depending on who asks less and offers better conditions.
    3. avt
      avt 17 December 2015 12: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Alekst
      What is the bypass of Russia related to the construction of the China-Kazakhstan railway?

      Directly. If there is an existing system of railways from the USSR, this is an alternative, or a direct competitor. Business is nothing personal.
      Quote: zekaze1980
      Russia should take this calmly, but not sit idly in front of it.

      good Work on TransSib and BAM, and develop the Northern Sea Route.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 17 December 2015 19: 05 New
        +3
        What is the competition? Across the RK, now a maximum of 40 mil. tons passes with an increase of up to 170 million tons - the maximum at the moment. And only from China to the EU is 2 billion (if memory serves) tons of cargo. And the other southeast Asia? Enough for BAM-1,2, the Northern Sea Route, etc. hi
        They built the road themselves and there is no influence of the PRC on this matter, the Chinese are only happy.
  7. brasist
    brasist 17 December 2015 11: 36 New
    12
    Something I did not understand, Russia and China establish friendship - this is good, but if Kazakhstan and China are so bad. Where is your logic gentlemen (writers), or is it a betrayal to be friends with someone without Russia?
  8. individual
    individual 17 December 2015 11: 38 New
    +3
    China and Kazakhstan are simply fellow travelers in trade and economic cooperation.
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet 17 December 2015 11: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: individ
      China and Kazakhstan are simply fellow travelers in trade and economic cooperation.


      In this case, what should be called trade and economic cooperation between Russia and Kazakhstan?
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 17 December 2015 18: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: gray smeet
        Quote: individ
        China and Kazakhstan are simply fellow travelers in trade and economic cooperation.


        In this case, what should be called trade and economic cooperation between Russia and Kazakhstan?

        fellow travelers in trade and economic cooperation with aggravation in the form of the EAEU. By the way, in the south of the Republic of Kazakhstan greenhouses are building intensively and are happy that the Russians and the Turks have gone wrong, so to speak, competition minus plus our profits laughing .
  9. zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 17 December 2015 11: 38 New
    +6
    Russia should take this calmly, but not sit idly in front of it. These two uncles are not stupid at all, and we cannot succeed in appeasing them only with energy resources. We need to pay more attention not in words, but in deeds. More diversity in cooperation, gentlemen, ministers and officials of Russia, and more actively, more actively, otherwise you are proud birds, until you kick, do not fly.
    1. brasist
      brasist 17 December 2015 11: 44 New
      +1
      Thank you as a humane word.
  10. Alekst
    Alekst 17 December 2015 11: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: brasist
    Something I did not understand, Russia and China establish friendship - this is good, but if Kazakhstan and China are so bad. Where is your logic gentlemen (writers), or is it a betrayal to be friends with someone without Russia?

    You correctly noticed it!
    1. aviator1913
      aviator1913 17 December 2015 12: 10 New
      +5
      The policy of double standards is everywhere, not only in Europe)
  11. Alekst
    Alekst 17 December 2015 12: 46 New
    +7
    Quote: avt
    Quote: Stranger
    The so-called "bypass" of Russia is just one of the branches of this path and shouts about its alternative - Turkish PR.

    Oh oh
    Quote: Stranger
    Kazakhstan in the future global alignment is planned as a new global financial center.

    wassat laughing laughing And tenge has already become the new world reserve currency .... Oh! it happened with the yuan ... Well, probably the Chinese will hammer a bolt in the Middle Kingdom and move to Kazakhstan for permanent residence, so to speak, they move to a new, promised land " laughing But somewhere I’ve heard it all before ... Ah - ahhh! So there was one such dreamer and he was already building “Asian Switzerland”! laughing Yes, almost there, but to the south and higher in the mountains. Do you want to search and name the name of this wise leader? Well, at the same time, the current place of residence and state status laughing

    Well, why are you jerking?) You have a northern sea route, and we have a railway, can we have a little Chinese cake?
    ps just don’t need me to talk about absorption ... I don’t perceive
    1. avt
      avt 17 December 2015 13: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Alekst
      Well, why are you jerking?

      And look at what and from which side here
      Quote: Alekst
      you have a northern sea route, and we have a railway, is it possible for us to have a little Chinese pie?

      I already wrote today that the current Silk Road
      Quote: avt
      If there is an existing system of railways from the USSR, this is an alternative, or a direct competitor. Business is nothing personal.
      So I believe that for Russia, the Northern Sea Route, if there is a backup in the form of the Soviet Trans-Siberian Railway, is much more profitable as an infrastructure project and investment in particular for OWN DEVELOPMENT than to swim in some shares in the Silk Road, which they plan to use as an appendix throw north to Russia, like - here you are, do not whine.
      Quote: Alekst
      from. just don’t need me to talk about absorption ... I don’t perceive

      It’s your sovereign affair, and I’ve never talked about “absorption” as danger No. 1 for Kazakhstan. Although
      Quote: avt
      . The Chinese are not just making a transport corridor - they are preparing the infrastructure for the development of adjacent territories. This is what Russia did when moving south and east, well, the Angles in India to the North and what the USSR continued to do

      which is quite logical for itself in the long, and for which, in fact, the infrastructure is being built. Do you think that in this case there will be no absorption? Well, you live there and you are a sovereign state - you will have to answer for your own decisions, or remove the foam from the jam. But I would like to look at the one who removes the foam from the jam that was cooked by the Chinese except them laughing Raise my comments and see - even before Syria, he spoke about the threat No. 1 for Central Asia and Kazakhstan, in particular Islamism.
  12. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 17 December 2015 13: 03 New
    -6
    How Kazakhstan becomes a friendship champion with China


    Friendship boa constrictor with a rabbit ...
    1. avt
      avt 17 December 2015 13: 29 New
      -5
      Quote: Bulrumeb
      Friendship boa constrictor with a rabbit ...

      what Then it’s more likely with a gopher. laughing
      1. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 17 December 2015 14: 11 New
        0
        even so, but the result of this friendship is the same. And what minus I do not know. China considered and considers the south of Kazakhstan to be its territory, and quiet expansion there is also going on as in our Far East.
      2. Semurg
        Semurg 17 December 2015 18: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: avt
        Quote: Bulrumeb
        Friendship boa constrictor with a rabbit ...

        what Then it’s more likely with a gopher. laughing

        China's bestial totem without a boa constrictor is a dragon. And what kind of animal totem does Kazakhstan have? gopher rabbit? A poor Kazakh gopher-rabbit in the east, a dragon in the north, a bear in the south, a lion around some predators laughing .
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  13. wild
    wild 17 December 2015 13: 50 New
    -7
    And what only became Kazakhs to learn Chinese and a little nibbler to nibble themselves and as a new region to the Middle Kingdom. It’s not comme il faut with Russia, why are geopolitical cuts sanctions?
  14. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 17 December 2015 13: 52 New
    +1
    Kazakhs have many empty lands ... And the population is small ...
  15. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 17 December 2015 14: 16 New
    +7
    Kazakhs are great. They do not sleep and do not clap their ears.
    You can earn money only on transit along the Silk Road-2.
    Not to mention trade from Chinese Pacific ports to European ports - by rail
    the road.
    For a continental country, this is a major breakthrough.
  16. Eaglealex
    Eaglealex 17 December 2015 15: 25 New
    -1
    Topic: China climbs to Kazakhstan:
    http://www.time.kz/articles/zloba/2015/12/16/zhdu-tvoih-sovetov-ma
    By the way, if you consider that this year, according to rumors, Akorda received a very large loan from the Celestial Empire, then, no matter how it was a country's trade, there is nothing to give back ...
  17. SveTok
    SveTok 17 December 2015 15: 34 New
    +1
    Well done, the Chinese have something to learn from.
  18. Mjohn
    Mjohn 17 December 2015 16: 04 New
    -1
    Better China than USA
  19. Guard
    Guard 17 December 2015 16: 24 New
    +9
    Russia and China almost kiss the gums. Economic cooperation is strengthening every year. Everyone knows about the Chinese economic presence in the Far East. Should I, a Kazakh, consider this as a betrayal by Russia of the interests of Kazakhstan? Not? Herny froze? Well, Duc, what are you crucifying about "ungrateful" and "naughty" Kazakhs here?
    I understand, “Russia is mother”, “the great Russian people” and so on, but not everything in the world revolves around your country.
    Just rejoice that the Kazakhs are a reliable partner for all neighbors. And despite active business with the Chinese or traditional military exercises with NATO, we remain absolutely faithful to our allied obligations within our Eurasian space.
    The main priority for us is the EAEU and the CSTO. No options. However, this means that we need to isolate ourselves from the rest of the world.
    The policy of Kazakhstan is absolutely pragmatic and completely predictable.
    1. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 17 December 2015 16: 31 New
      +1
      About the Chinese economic presence, please, in more detail, otherwise I live in Primorye, but I don’t notice the presence ...
      1. S_last
        S_last 17 December 2015 18: 02 New
        0

        Here is the presence
    2. avt
      avt 17 December 2015 17: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Guard
      . Economic cooperation is strengthening every year.

      wassat Announce the numbers please.
      Quote: Guard
      . Everyone knows about the Chinese economic presence in the Far East.

      I don’t know, well, except that, the Chinese bought everything, came in large numbers, drove everyone out of the house ".... or rather they will soon expel.
      Quote: Dimon19661
      About the Chinese economic presence, please, in more detail, otherwise I live in Primorye, but I don’t notice the presence ...

      This is normal. The Chinese are so secretive .....
      Quote: Guard
      I understand, “Russia is mother”, “the great Russian people” and so on, but not everything in the world revolves around your country.

      No, of course, but for many people living in Russia and present on the site, their shirt is closer to my body, for example, and I’m looking at everything from this perspective, quite specifically reporting on the current realities of the emergence of new national states from ex-Soviet republics, and since me USSR # 2 is not buggy, although phantom pains in the USSR do not let go, it’s inclined to consider all the “fraternal” new countries as partners, on the basis that there are only two allies, but there’s also a third one that appeared during the time of Alexander III there wasn’t - the Russian Aerospace Forces. And the rest clearly fits into business - nothing personal, especially since the National Academy of Sciences about the EAEU spoke exactly about this - no politics, only the economy ... shorter than that.
  20. Naiman
    Naiman 17 December 2015 16: 25 New
    +4
    Everyone has a crisis, everyone survives. The idea of ​​the Silk Road is not new, everyone wants to participate there, and Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan. Everyone understands the benefits. There is nothing wrong with that. Tatarstan wants a highway to Moscow. Is it not clear why? Russia is promoting the Northern Sea Route. And should we be surprised? The best way would be for the Russians: China - Russia - Europe. This is understandable, there is logic. It’s good that we somehow got into this project
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 17 December 2015 20: 01 New
      +1
      Interest is shown not only in Central Asia, but throughout Southeast Asia. This site of ours in the Chinese port of Lianyungang port for two years decently "grew" to more than 200 thousand containers. And there is not only China, there Japan, Korea, etc ..
      China-Russia-EU is longer than China-RK-RF-EU. Since a detour is made bypass. And so, all the routes are needed. Asan, my friends worked for a Japanese company in the 90s, which built transshipment facilities at Druzhba on their loans. So the idea of ​​ShP is Nazarbayev. Rather, Isingarin (the first Minister of Transport of independent Kazakhstan) stood behind her. hi
  21. Evgeny Khokhlov
    Evgeny Khokhlov 17 December 2015 17: 58 New
    +1
    Well done Kazakhstan people what else to say! when will we start doing business .....
  22. Alibekulu
    17 December 2015 18: 22 New
    +4
    Quote: Yevgeny Khokhlov
    Well done Kazakhstan people what else to say! when that's the moment we start doing business ..
    There was an article in the internet that RK has practically built a road to the borders of the Russian Federation within the framework of this corridor, in the district of Orenburg. The journalist noted that “the horse did not roll on the Russian section of the road”. And of course, transit will bypass Russia.
    Quote: Alibekulu
    I met the information that China is developing a project of a super-bridge through the Caspian. It seems like, while there will be a gas / and oil pipeline, they will be the supports of this giant
    Inozemtsev:
    In Astana, a variant is being discussed - a seemingly seemingly impossible 230-kilometer bridge crossing across the Caspian, in which a road and railway bridge would be connected to gas and oil pipelines.
    By the way, the link to the article "Western Europe - Western China. The Last Plot"