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Romania continues to earn on the production of Soviet weapons

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Romania refused to sign an intergovernmental agreement with Russia "On the procedure for the production in Romania of armaments, military equipment and spare parts for them under licenses and technical documentation of the former USSR", reports Kommersant.


Romania continues to earn on the production of Soviet weapons


“The Romanian government has already received the draft document, but refused to negotiate, arguing that the first deliveries of Soviet equipment and weapons to Romania were accompanied by the issuance of appropriate licenses,” a MTC source told the newspaper.

“They say that we allegedly refused to engage in the modernization of the supplied products, and they had to undertake this work themselves, redoing the equipment inherited from the Union with the help of their defense industry and entering into cooperation with foreign companies. From their point of view, no licenses for their production and sale are required, ”said the source.

By the standards of the Romanian defense industry, trade in samples of the Soviet weapons brings the country a tangible profit.

“In 2014 alone, contracts were signed in the amount of about € 250 million (of which about € 159 million have been sold to date). A significant portion of exports was products manufactured under expired licenses. These are infantry armored vehicles and armored personnel carriers, MANPADS, mortars, large-caliber machine guns, anti-tank guided missiles, infantry artillery guns of various calibers (from 76 mm to 152 mm), grenade launchers (like RPG-7), recoilless guns (like SPG-9), gunners weapons (such as AK, AKM and cartridges for them), as well as aviation GSh-23 guns, ”the data received from the source cites Kommersant.

After the transition of the Romanian army in 2004 on the standards of NATO, the country seeks to sell all the stocks of Soviet weapons. “They have accumulated a sufficient amount of weapons in the warehouses, which they themselves no longer need and from which they want to get rid of the profit,” said the source.

According to the newspaper, “at the time of the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, more than 3 thousand armored vehicles, 3,8 thousand artillery systems, more than 500 aircraft were on the balance of the Romanian armed forces.

"Despite the rather modest possibilities, Romanian gunsmiths in total put 2014 on to Pakistan, Burkina Faso, Egypt, Mozambique, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and South Africa of unlicensed weapons manufactured on the basis of Soviet developments, worth at least € 55 million, and in the first six months of the year 2015 - about € 20 million, ”writes the publication.

“Kommersant” notes that “there are post-Soviet countries among the customers: for example, in 2014, products for € 1,5 million were delivered to Azerbaijan, Moldova, Kazakhstan and Ukraine (it was about aircraft spare parts, chemical protection equipment and small arms with cartridges); Uzbekistan appeared on the list in 2015. ”

In total, these countries received almost € € 2015 million worth of Romanian products for the first half of 1,7.

“These transactions do not cause significant damage to the positions of the Russian Federation, since unlicensed products are taken, as a rule, by a small number of poor third world countries,” said the head of one of the Russian defense companies. - Romania’s cooperation with key countries exporting Russian military products (for example, with Egypt or Azerbaijan, whose volume of orders from Rosoboronexport is estimated at billions of dollars) is not critical - now the RF order book is estimated at $ 57 billion, but the fact of sale unlicensed products are unpleasant. ”

The interlocutor acknowledged that the chances of signing an agreement on licenses with Romania in the foreseeable future, "taking into account her fear of losing money," are insignificant.
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  1. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 16 December 2015 15: 45 New
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    These transactions do not cause significant damage to the positions of the Russian Federation, since unlicensed products are usually taken in a small amount by poor countries of the Third World

    that’s how it is, but there’s a penny and there’s a penny — here it is the ruble
    the fact of selling unlicensed products is unpleasant

    and in general, if we want to be reckoned with as a great world power, even such seemingly insignificant facts cannot be ignored
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 16 December 2015 15: 49 New
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      Gypsies are gypsies. I wait when they remember about Odessa, and they will definitely remember.
      1. cniza
        cniza 16 December 2015 15: 52 New
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        That's for sure, let Saakashvili get ready.
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      4. interceptor58
        interceptor58 16 December 2015 16: 43 New
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        Cool peppers - rounds.
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 16 December 2015 15: 53 New
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      You need to push them at the deep level.
      And so, well, there is an incentive to move your defense industry.
      Sooner or later, countries will reach for new, promising weapons. And Romania will have wooden spears with silicon tips.
    3. asadov
      asadov 16 December 2015 15: 54 New
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      I completely agree. This is another reason for others to take the same path.
    4. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 16 December 2015 15: 59 New
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      Quote: Scary_L.
      so it’s true, but there’s a penny and there’s a penny there it’s the ruble

      Yes, let them! 1,7 million euros for six months is, of course, an awesome amount. It is somewhere around a few thousandths of a percent of Romania’s GDP or a few hundredths of their exports over the same period. A significant increase, yeah.
      The news is about nothing.
    5. vodolaz
      vodolaz 16 December 2015 16: 02 New
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      And if you sue, the EU will raise a howl, they say they offend the poor unfortunate Romania.
    6. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 16 December 2015 16: 12 New
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      refused negotiations, arguing that the first deliveries of Soviet equipment and weapons to Romania were accompanied by the issuance of appropriate licenses

      Can the appeal to their favorite European courts help?
      Production licenses were issued by the corresponding structures of the USSR.
      The Union has been gone for almost 25 years. So the contract is NULL!
      So shy, or pay fine
      or pay fines and stop ILLEGAL PRODUCTION!
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 16 December 2015 17: 54 New
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        Russia is the FULL successor of the USSR with all the consequences.
        Another thing is to bring the “left” producers to justice and win the case, Russia must be fully integrated into the world economic and political system on the terms of this system!
        Do we want this? I think no.
        Given the fact that the USSR was not included in the patent community of Western states, we are not able to put forward any real claims.
        Another thing is that all the clones of the same AK-47 are obviously worse than the Russian originals, whoever produces them. The main problem is the production of barrels and cartridges for them, which is the main condition for the reliability and durability of weapons.
        The same Americans prefer to have a Soviet or Russian AK, rather than mass-produced from them. They also buy our cartridges, although they produce their own.
  2. venaya
    venaya 16 December 2015 15: 46 New
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    From their point of view, no licenses for their production and sale are required

    This is not only their position, very, very many sin this. This topic, for those who are in the know, is by no means secondary.
  3. Decathlon
    Decathlon 16 December 2015 15: 46 New
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    So much for the “damned legacy of a totalitarian USSR”: 25 years of starvation does not let starvation die!
    1. meriem1
      meriem1 16 December 2015 16: 58 New
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      Quote: Decathlon
      So much for the “damned legacy of a totalitarian USSR”: 25 years of starvation does not let starvation die!


      It's time to pull the holodranes !!! And it's time not to discuss this in the media, but in the COURT !!! Bulgaria does exactly the same thing!
  4. Wiruz
    Wiruz 16 December 2015 15: 51 New
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    Well, yes, the lustration rite was not carried out to the end laughing
  5. bad
    bad 16 December 2015 15: 52 New
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    Romania continues to earn on the production of Soviet weapons
    ... well, and comes around in the future .. remember again ..
  6. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 16 December 2015 15: 57 New
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    To sue and if they do not recognize intellectual property, you can modify Windows and not pay the states, modify any goods and not pay ... After all, the Western court is not a decree for us if it will play with one goal.
  7. A-Sim
    A-Sim 16 December 2015 15: 58 New
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    ... and there is no mechanism to force them to refuse it ... Except for the military. NATO brings this moment closer.
  8. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 16 December 2015 16: 06 New
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    Again, the incident with our ships on Yandex is hanging.
  9. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 16 December 2015 16: 07 New
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    Urki they are urki. I remember from childhood their stamps were beautiful and compote. And that’s all. And now - an impoverished colony country that no one will ever reckon with, a puppet government ... ugh ...
  10. Tjeck
    Tjeck 16 December 2015 16: 13 New
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    it seems like even Americans and Canadians print Soviet samples without a license, I’ll keep silent about the Chinese ..

    clarification: formally, they have a license, but they just purchased it from Romanians, Bulgarians, etc.
  11. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 16 December 2015 16: 16 New
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    It can be done very simply: since Romania takes the fifth position and talks about some kind of profit there, then it is possible to take away this profit from it surgically - impose sanctions for non-compliance with international standards regarding unlicensed weapons production.
  12. bashkort
    bashkort 16 December 2015 16: 18 New
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    Well, if the USSR once granted them a license (which is in the spirit of the then leadership), then it is possible that they do not need permission to ask Russia. Here, the Poles, for example, that only from the "Victory" did not do (they called them "Warsaw").
  13. erased
    erased 16 December 2015 16: 18 New
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    A type in court to file and blow sanctions in any way? Or no one? Or what? ..
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 16 December 2015 16: 55 New
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      And what interesting is the Romanians producing for the Russian Federation to beat sanctions against them?
  14. kapitan92
    kapitan92 16 December 2015 16: 45 New
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    At one time, the USSR made a fatal mistake and did not patent such positions as: AK, BM 21, RPG7, etc.
    Patent law was practically absent; international lawyers mainly worked for the Central Committee and ministries. In general, we sow and reap.
    Romania is not alone, China, Poland.
    Is it possible to rectify the situation now, I think it is possible, but this is for lawyers!
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 16 December 2015 22: 46 New
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      Quote: kapitan92
      At one time, the USSR made a fatal mistake and did not patent such positions as: AK, BM 21, RPG7, etc.
      Patent law was practically absent; international lawyers mainly worked for the Central Committee and ministries. In general, we sow and reap.
      Romania is not alone, China, Poland.
      Is it possible to rectify the situation now, I think it is possible, but this is for lawyers!

      And for any patents, it would expire. He is 25 years old total
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 17 December 2015 11: 16 New
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        http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2878261 Ссылка. Румыния и щедрость СССР.
        That's right, but there is the concept of licensed production.
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 16 December 2015 18: 19 New
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    They will not release for a long time, they are in NATO, there will not be much demand for Kalash, and few will not be profitable to produce. And for export in warehouses a lot. On new, with China at a price will not work.
  16. Stoler
    Stoler 16 December 2015 22: 17 New
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    Bayonet-knock down! laughing
  17. gross kaput
    gross kaput 16 December 2015 22: 41 New
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    Quote: Stranger
    Given the fact that the USSR was not included in the patent community of Western states, we are not able to put forward any real claims.

    Quote: erased
    A type in court to file and blow sanctions in any way? Or no one? Or what? ..

    Quote: bashkort
    Well, if the USSR once granted them a license (which is in the spirit of the then leadership), then it is possible that they do not need permission to ask Russia.

    Quote: kapitan92
    and did not patent such positions as: AK, BM 21, RPG7, etc.
    Patent law was practically absent; international lawyers mainly worked for the Central Committee and ministries. In general, we sow and reap.
    Romania is not alone, China, Poland.
    Is it possible to rectify the situation now, I think it is possible, but this is for lawyers!

    , has already been sucked up more than once, it’s not possible, patent protection lasts from 10 to 15 years, then everything, absolutely anyone who is not lazy, can produce absolutely legally. Further, even if you wanted to patent in 1947, AK in countries that could potentially copy it would not work, because any new previously unknown technical solutions were patented in AKs at that time, this is a successful compilation of previously known technical solutions like foreign (Holek, Garand) and ours (Bulkin, Sudaev). As for production licenses, it is usually assumed that the country that acquired the license does not receive the right to manufacture technical documentation, assistance in establishing mass production and equipment, equipment, semi-finished products, etc. as well as accompanying the entire production cycle for a certain time or a certain amount of production, well, the country that issues the license, for its part, assures that this product is produced in accordance with all the standards of the developer and meets the original product in all respects - i.e. unlicensed production of goods with or without expired patent protection is not something criminal and simply means that the developer is not responsible for the quality of unlicensed products.
    And all of these high-profile statements by our officials are nothing more than public relations that work flawlessly on some illiterate part of the population.
  18. Pimply
    Pimply 16 December 2015 22: 46 New
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    And now we recall that for all patents the term has expired