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In 1990, the Chinese tried to buy Tu-160 bombers from Ukraine

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The Chinese blog "Chusyao", specializing in military subjects, published an article that describes Beijing's attempts to gain access to various models of foreign aircraft in the 70-90-e years of the last century. This is reported by the blog. bmpd.




In particular, the blogger told about the attempt of the Chinese in 1990 to buy strategic bombers Tu-160 from Ukraine, which remained in Priluki after the collapse of the USSR. (In total, Ukraine received 19 machines).

A delegation was sent to Kiev for negotiations. However, Russia was the first to stop the deal, which itself was interested in acquiring bombers and was afraid of a leakage of technology in the PRC.

And by the end of the 90's, the United States intervened. They had their own task: to prevent the movement of aircraft either in the PRC or in Russia. The Americans provided Ukraine with the necessary funds, and Kiev in 1998 gave the command to dispose of the bombers.

Still, Russia, as they say, managed to “drop into the last car” and in 1999, they bargained 8 aircraft from Kiev for gas supplies. The remaining 11 machines were, alas, sawn. China was left with nothing at all.

“Thus, judging by the Chinese publication, the Ukrainian Tu-160 had not one, but two serious potential buyers. If the situation dragged on to 2004-2005, when Russia had oil dollars, and the military budget in China increased dramatically, the stakes in the fight for airplanes could rise sharply, ”bmpd writes.

It is worth noting that only 10 bombers were completely destroyed, the eleventh was decided to be sent to the museum.
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  1. venaya
    venaya 16 December 2015 13: 16 New
    15
    Russia, as they say, managed to "drop into the last carriage" and in 1999 hired 8 airplanes from Kiev for gas supplies.

    Well done !!! Have time. Due to their high development, the Chinese naturally also need such aircraft, but we don’t really need it. No one knows for sure what will happen in the future - "God saves the safe."
    1. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 16 December 2015 13: 18 New
      12
      Quote: venaya
      only we do not really need it.


      Uh ... but could you please explain your point more reasonably?
      As far as I understand, a lot is being done in Russia now in order to revive the production of the Tu-160.
      “On March 7, the Zvezda TV channel suddenly, without any operational reason, gave an entertaining story under the headline“ Kazan Aircraft Plant Upgrades Tu-160 Bomber. ”The material went unnoticed, and it seems that this was exactly what it was put on for the weekend evening, providing neutral But, it seems, the “message” hidden in it has reached “whoever needs it.” “Kazan is considering the possibility of launching new Tu-160s,” the journalist informs with sensational news. “Today this issue is being worked out,” comments the director of KAZ for production Andrei Lyadov. “There are difficulties, of course, but the main technological staff is here, at the plant, and, in principle, there is a possibility to renew its ability.
      1. venaya
        venaya 16 December 2015 13: 22 New
        +7
        Quote: Corsair0304
        Could you explain your point more reasonably?

        These aircraft are capable of delivering nuclear weapons over very long distances, not only to the United States, and this is what you must always remember. What is incomprehensible here?
        1. WKS
          WKS 16 December 2015 13: 35 New
          +1
          It is worth noting that only 10 bombers were completely destroyed, the eleventh was decided to be sent to the museum.

          And in the picture we must assume a museum copy?
      2. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 16 December 2015 13: 50 New
        +3
        ..... In Kazan, they are considering the possibility of starting to produce new Tu-160s ... "but the main technological staff is here, at the factory, ....

        .... A tempting idea, but hardly feasible ..... At least because all the slipways, conductors, and other technological equipment are for the most part scrapped ..... To understand the volumes, I will give an example ... . For the production of a small An-24 aircraft, it takes about 2 thousand various slipways, dies (and on the plane some glider parts in single copies), conductors for assembly, etc. ..... And for this, the bill will go to thousands ... .This is all very expensive things .... By the way, therefore, airplanes are very expensive at the final price (the larger the series, the lower the price) .... hi
      3. Mic1969
        Mic1969 16 December 2015 14: 55 New
        0
        What is not clear here? Russia is not interested in China buying the Tu-160. In any case, in Ukraine. Little did they squander for sucking on our developments.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 16 December 2015 15: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Mic1969
          Russia is not interested in China buying the Tu-160.

          Do you think that the USA is FOR the Ukrainians to sell the Swan to China?
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 16 December 2015 13: 19 New
      +1
      the eleventh, it was decided to send to the museum.

      And in whose museum is he now? Yeah, found - in Poltava.
      And the filling "with him" or what?
      1. Kars
        Kars 16 December 2015 13: 23 New
        +5
        in Poltava
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Полтавский_музей_дальней_и_стратегической_авиации
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 16 December 2015 13: 24 New
        +3
        Sawing a plane does not mean disposing of technology. Most of the key systems are removable and they must have been exported abroad.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 16 December 2015 13: 57 New
          +6
          Quote: Vita VKO
          Sawing a plane does not mean disposing of technology.

          I saw photos - they were torn to pieces there by huge such pliers, scissors. My heart bleeds - I haven’t seen more beautiful aircraft. All are good in different ways. You look at IL-76 - a big powerful brother, dear, reliable and your own. And these are beautiful birds. And this beauty - with American pliers! Yes, for one thing this Ukraine wipe off the map, along with all its Maidans and governments! Blea ....
        2. Iline
          Iline 16 December 2015 15: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: Vita VKO
          Sawing a plane does not mean disposing of technology. Most of the key systems are removable and they must have been exported abroad.

          When in the 99th year we squeezed these planes from Ukraine, then, in parallel with our acceptance, cutting bases on American equipment also worked. I can absolutely say for sure - the planes for cutting delivered completely empty. All removed equipment was stored. Here we are engaged in the acceptance of this equipment after the acceptance and distillation of aircraft in 2000.
          It is clear that taking all the equipment did not make sense, and remember the state of the country after Yeltsin. But a large number of really necessary, albeit used. We took the equipment.
          Missiles should have taken everything, this was specifically stipulated in the state. the contract. They sent them to Russia several echelons. But then an article recently came to my attention that the Chinese have developed a new air-based cruise missile and a photo of this missile was attached. Mom dear! Yes, this is the X-55 one to one, if only the location of the inscriptions changed a little. It turned out that the Ukrainian side nevertheless washed up several missiles just in case, and then sold them to China without noise and dust. They were and still are crooks.
          It is especially sad that too much equipment with the SS and C signature stamps remains with them and the fate of this equipment is unknown at the moment. Although my mother vowed to destroy everything and give for the extraction of drags. metals.
          So do not be surprised if something else “new” pops up among the Chinese.
      3. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 16 December 2015 13: 27 New
        0
        And the filling "with him" or what?

        If you did not give back to the Americans at one time, then they sold (drank) definitely.
      4. Scoun
        Scoun 16 December 2015 13: 34 New
        0
        Quote: Starover_Z
        And in whose museum is he now? Yeah, found - in Poltava.
        And the filling "with him" or what?

        Quote: Kars
        in Poltava
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Полтавский_музей_дальней_и_стратегической_авиации

        Now you should definitely expect from the Government of Urkaina a message about the sale of the exhibit .... here it’s stopudovo .. if at least one talking head comes up with such an idea ... in general, they’ll go out to poop to annoy Russia.
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 16 December 2015 13: 48 New
          +6
          Quote: Scoun
          Now you should definitely expect from the Government of Urkaina a message about the sale of the exhibit .... here it’s stopudovo .. if at least one talking head comes up with such an idea ... in general, they’ll go out to poop to annoy Russia.



          They can sell only in the USA, but, I think that the USA has already examined these planes, they got everything that they could! Progress does not stand still and all these data are already outdated! If they try to push to the side (for example, to China), the guys from the State Department will have a bite to them and they will put it with crustacean, but sales will not be allowed !!! This is approximately the same as with nuclear weapons - whoever has it means there is. Whoever doesn’t - maximally slow down the process of gaining access to nuclear technologies !!! hi And the Tu-160 actually has access to nuclear technology (intercontinental nuclear weapons delivery).
          1. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot 16 December 2015 14: 24 New
            -7
            Quote: neri73-r
            And the Tu-160 actually has access to nuclear technology (intercontinental nuclear weapons delivery).



            What sane person will now use the plane to deliver nuclear weapons?
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 16 December 2015 14: 30 New
              +3
              Quote: The Cat
              What sane person will now use the plane to deliver nuclear weapons?

              Have you heard about the X-102 KR?
              1. Ze Kot
                Ze Kot 16 December 2015 14: 44 New
                -3
                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: The Cat
                What sane person will now use the plane to deliver nuclear weapons?

                Have you heard about the X-102 KR?



                You carefully read: "(intercontinental nuclear weapons delivery)"? This bomb means.

                With missiles, there is no need to deliver the bomb to another continent.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 16 December 2015 14: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: The Cat
                  You carefully read: "(intercontinental nuclear weapons delivery)"? This bomb means.

                  KR X-102, given its range of 5500 km can be called intercontinental. And where is the bomb?
                  Quote: The Cat
                  With missiles, there is no need to deliver the bomb to another continent.

                  Well mattresses then bother with such a bomb wink
                  1. Ze Kot
                    Ze Kot 17 December 2015 15: 14 New
                    0
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Well mattresses then bother with such a bomb wink



                    Well, we are not "mattresses"
        2. kil 31
          kil 31 16 December 2015 14: 10 New
          +1
          Quote ScounNow you should definitely expect from the Government of Urkaina a message about the sale of the exhibit .... here it’s stopudovo .. if at least one talking head comes up with such an idea ... in general, they’ll go out into a poop to annoy Russia Already along the way such an idea came to the talking head, about the 95th. We will wait when the search for TU 160 begins
          print version
          Two strategic Tu-95 bomber disappeared in Ukraine
          18.08.15/13/47 XNUMX:XNUMX Army, military-industrial complex, special services
          The Prosecutor General’s Office finds out where the two strategic bombers TU-95 MS, capable of carrying nuclear weapons, have gone. This is stated in the determination of the Pechersky district court of Kiev, placed in the Unified Register of Judicial Decisions, the First Instance reports.

          The GPU has already received permission from the court to search all premises and sites of the Ukroboronprom concern, the state-owned enterprise Nikolaev NARP Aircraft Repair Plant, as well as access to documentation located at the Armed Forces surplus inventory center.

          The prosecutor's office, together with the aircraft, is looking for their components, technical documentation and other documents related to the sale, inspection, assessment, repair, understaffing, storage, payment for services and transportation of these aircraft.

          According to preliminary information, the aircraft could be sold in the second half of 2013 - January 2014. This is indicated by dating of documents with which the prosecutor's office is interested.

          After the collapse of the USSR, 23 strategic nuclear bombers Tu-95MS remained in Ukraine. In the late 90s, Kiev decided to transfer eight Tu-160 aircraft, three Tu-95MS and 581 X-55 cruise missiles to pay the debt for gas in the amount of $ 285 million. The remaining two Tu-95MS missile launchers were later converted in reconnaissance aircraft and put in storage near the Nikolaev aircraft repair enterprise. One each Tu-160 and Tu-95MS as museum exhibits remained in the Poltava Museum of Long-Range and Strategic Aviation.
    3. avg
      avg 16 December 2015 13: 29 New
      +2
      ... Beijing’s attempts to gain access to various models of foreign aircraft in the 70-90s of the last century are described.

      Well, yes, well, yes, in the last century the Chinese were world pirates, and now they have become white and fluffy and the main slogan of their aircraft industry is “We don’t need someone else!” laughing
  2. cniza
    cniza 16 December 2015 13: 16 New
    +7
    Still, Russia, as they say, managed to “drop into the last car” and in 1999, they bargained 8 aircraft from Kiev for gas supplies. The remaining 11 machines were, alas, sawn. China was left with nothing at all.


    Although they managed to do it, otherwise these tricks are ready to be sold to anyone just a penny better.
  3. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 16 December 2015 13: 16 New
    +5
    Ukraine - it is. For free sawing that it would be possible to sell profitably - if only the Americans would praise: "Toad, Ukraine, its a beautiful country democracies." You can still remember the Varyag TAKR, which the Chinese sold cheaper than scrap metal. And now he is called "Liaoning" and he feels rather well in the Chinese Navy.
    1. remy
      remy 16 December 2015 13: 23 New
      +4
      because! - de-bi_ly)
    2. Kars
      Kars 16 December 2015 13: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      For free to cut what could be profitably sold

      You obviously didn’t even read this article. The text directly says what kind of money. It’s profitable to sell - apparently the Russian Federation didn’t want to buy well, and hoped that they would give it cheaply. That’s the USA and fussed. Ukraine has nothing to do with these airplanes.
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      You can also “Varyag” recall that the Chinese sold cheaper prices for scrap metal.

      5 times more expensive than the price of scrap metal, and without deducting the cost of cutting.
      1. abc_alex
        abc_alex 16 December 2015 14: 17 New
        +9
        Yes, only the USA paid to Ukraine for cutting and utilization, and not for the price of military aircraft.

        In 1995, Russia offered to buy your planes at $ 25 million overboard. But no! Get 250 lyam for 10 sides - this is not the Ukrainian mentality! The Ukrainian mentality is to saw the new Tu-160s allocated to the USA under the Nunn-Lugar program for 1 (ONE !!!!!) million dollars overboard! Instead of the proposed 25 - one! Well, what is it called, if not "in spite of the holes .... in bloomers"?

        Or is it a business? It couldn’t be business with them! Tu-160 - a carrier of strategic nuclear weapons to anyone but Russia, you still could not sell it, even to the States! There was a project in which the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine received permission from the Government of Ukraine to sell three Tu-160 bombers and spare parts for them for $ 20 million to the American company Platforms International Corporation for the conversion of aircraft into rocket carriers to launch satellites.

        Note - for 20! This is so that you then never tryndel that "Russia did not want to buy well". Apparently for the Russian Federation you have a special understanding of the term" good price ", it is at least a quarter more than for the United States, right?

        So, this transaction was BLOCKED by the USA, because no one wants a violation of the SALT agreements.

        And in the end, you gave them to us anyway. But not for money, but for debts in 1999.
        1. Kars
          Kars 16 December 2015 14: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: abc_alex
          In the 1995 year, Russia offered to buy your planes at 25 million dollars overboard.

          Is Lukmar our everything?

          Ukraine offered to transfer 19 Tu-160 to Russia for writing off the debt for gas (which Gazprom categorically refused) or in exchange for IL-76 transport planes from the calculation of 1 to 2. It was not possible to fulfill the second point because, having exchanged the Tu-160 for its IL-76, Russia would actually lose transport aircraft, and their production in the USSR was carried out at a factory in Uzbekistan, which almost ceased to function after the collapse of the USSR.

          However, it soon became clear why Kiev was not making concessions regarding the Tu-160. In 1998, the ministries of defense of Ukraine and the United States signed an agreement to destroy 44 bombers, including the 19 Tu-160, as well as thousands of X-55 missiles. On November 16, two White Swans in the presence of representatives of the US Department of Defense were destroyed with an excavator and a special guillotine. The cost of the destruction of cars was paid in American money: at 1 million dollars per plane (with the cost of one Tu-160 about 250 million dollars). In total, the 11 Tu-160 was brought into non-flying condition, and the remaining 8 were transferred to Russia at the expense of the debt for gas
          1. Kars
            Kars 16 December 2015 14: 36 New
            +1
            When I searched the Internet for material, for this article I found the old creation of a journalist who talks about the Tu-160 bomber as a means of paying Ukraine debt for gas to Russia. Here is its content:
            "Ukraine will pay for Russian gas with old iron"

            The Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksandr Kuzmuk confirmed that Kiev has officially proposed that Moscow accept as payment for gas debts “about the 10 strategic bombers Tu-160 and Tu-95”. Thus, the Ukrainian government is going to fulfill the agreement reached ten days ago during a visit to Kiev by Russian Prime Minister Sergei Stepashin. Then the parties decided that within a month they would completely eliminate the gas debt problem of Ukraine.

            In the Ukrainian press, a leak from government sources about the possibility of paying off the debt by old bombers appeared at the end of last week. True, with reference to a source in the cabinet of ministers, it was reported that Ukraine would transfer to Moscow not 10, but 40 aircraft at an estimated price of 25 million dollars. The transfer of 40 aircraft at such a price would just cover the gas debt of 1 billion dollars, which Ukraine recognizes as state (another 800 million owed to Gazprom commercial structures). However, the Ukrainian defense minister denied such parameters of the deal. According to Alexander Kuzmuk, "Russia will receive only about 10 bombers, because it is not able to contain them." You can understand the military man’s concern for the safety of aircraft, but in the case of using old military equipment as a means of paying off gas debt, this does not matter. It is much more important to present the amount of debt that Ukraine wants to write off in this way. Alexander Kuzmuk refused to name the possible price of a bomber, but said that it is much higher than 25 million dollars. That is, Kiev wants to transfer to Russia obsolete, from the point of view of military experts, bombers, at the highest possible price.
            Kiev intends to leave a number of Tu-160 and Tu-95 aircraft to launch space objects into orbit, and one bomber, according to Alexander Kuzmuk, will be adapted for a museum. Even Ukraine understands that it is no longer possible to use these aircraft for their intended purpose.
            (...) According to military experts, more than half of these aircraft are not capable of performing combat missions, while the rest require major repairs. Russia in the 1997 year finally refused to acquire the 44 strategic bombers of these models. Last year, Ukraine proposed that Russia acquire strategic components and assemblies for strategic bombers.
            1. Kars
              Kars 17 December 2015 11: 23 New
              +1
              I see cons, there are no answers. As a result, the 8 Tu-160 in the end left approximately for 600-800 mil dollars of netting.
              1. abc_alex
                abc_alex 17 December 2015 17: 51 New
                +1
                It’s just completely incomprehensible what to answer?
                You repeat word for word what I said and are waiting for what?

                Ukraine had the opportunity to sell aircraft at 25 million apiece. But for some reason, she did everything possible to refuse the deal, preferring to simply cut the planes, getting 1 million apiece. What exactly "was understood in Ukraine" at this moment is absolutely not important. The important thing is that even then, Ukrainian officials preferred a politically justified deflection to the United States over an economically advantageous deal with the Russian Federation.

                The result of this ingenious operation was that instead of "living" money, Ukraine received a write-off of gas debts. I do not think that this offset is more profitable, especially since at the time of the transaction the best sides were already destroyed and our side refused to take into account the remaining ones at the price you proposed.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 17 December 2015 20: 06 New
                  +1
                  Quote: abc_alex
                  Ukraine had the opportunity to sell aircraft at 25 million apiece. But

                  The Russian Federation did not want to pay this money either.
                  Quote: Kars
                  . Russia in the 1997 year finally abandoned the acquisition of 44 strategic bombers of these models

                  And the Russian Federation refused the deal. We thought that Ukraine would cut the price, and rushed only when they started to cut it. And they paid the same amount as before they could pay for everything.
  4. yushch
    yushch 16 December 2015 13: 17 New
    +2
    It would be very surprising if they did not try to do this.
  5. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 16 December 2015 13: 18 New
    +2
    It would be strange if the Chinese did not try to implement this project.
    I can’t even imagine how much money, and most of all, they could save time by studying our “strategist”, and later trying to do something like that.
  6. nivander
    nivander 16 December 2015 13: 18 New
    0
    right now sit your elbows bite
  7. Lukich
    Lukich 16 December 2015 13: 20 New
    +5
    http://topwar.ru/87922-match-tv-ili-igrokov-prosyat-von-s-polya.html

    they say that pilots were ordered to attend the KILLING of White Swans. many cried ...
  8. Hubun
    Hubun 16 December 2015 13: 20 New
    +7
    Absolutely all about ... whether, which is because only from the Union they did not get
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 16 December 2015 13: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: Hubun
      Absolutely all about ... whether, which is because only from the Union they did not get

      Nope. Zaporizhzhya hydroelectric power station has not yet been lustrated, not destroyed. But after all, according to the logic of banderlogs, atu her. apparently the big black dad does not give good. left Biden’s son for a snack
  9. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 16 December 2015 13: 21 New
    +3
    it's hard to watch when achievements-nah..Kuchma-Yanyka-Yushch count on count - Jupiter's agents
  10. Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 December 2015 13: 22 New
    +6
    Damn, I look at the photo and it already hurts ...
    It was necessary for Ukrainians to stupidly hijack all the planes.
    Well, what about the fact that our plane would give the Chinese ...
    It’s just that the plane would have given, because the main thing is technology.
  11. V.ic
    V.ic 16 December 2015 13: 25 New
    0
    Selling our technology to the Chinasians would be an Oriental knife to the Americans in one place, that’s not fused. A m. drank little and did not match Chinese dreams with Ukrainian reality?
  12. RONIN-HS
    RONIN-HS 16 December 2015 13: 25 New
    +9
    I am a sailor, not a military pilot. But these shots from the 90's, when the fuselages of the Tu-160 were cut with a slab of a guillotine-truck crane, are for me the most bitter memories of the collapse of the USSR. Creatures ... !!!
    All involved - no statute of limitations, it is also necessary under the guillotine plate ... Without regret .. am
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 16 December 2015 14: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: RONIN-HS
      I am a sailor, not a military pilot. But these shots from the 90's, when the fuselages of the Tu-160 were cut with a slab of a guillotine-truck crane, are for me the most bitter memories of the collapse of the USSR. Creatures ... !!!
      All involved - no statute of limitations, it is also necessary under the guillotine plate ... Without regret .. am

      The first one would be to put the “Mechny” one under this guillotine. Judah. ​​Russia offered to buy all 19 Tu-160s from Ukraine ... but Ukrainians requested an exchange, one 160th for two (in my opinion) two IL-76 (new). ..in my opinion, if sclerosis does not change me. Our people didn’t agree by offering money. And they, in turn, decided to "lick" the back of the mattresses by cutting Swans ... in my opinion only 10 Swans were saved (I can be wrong with the amount), and 8 sawn in Priluki under the satisfied smiles of senators Richard Lugar and Karl Levin. The first 160 was “quartered” with tail number 24, the second with number 13 ... In total
      It's hard to remember it all ...
  13. ram_design
    ram_design 16 December 2015 13: 29 New
    +4
    Glory to all gods that Russia-1990 did not follow the path of Ukraine-2013.
    Great country! Great people! Who said that Russia is only a regional power?
  14. Engineer
    Engineer 16 December 2015 13: 31 New
    +1
    Fables it! How could Russia hinder the deal if she herself couldn’t come to an agreement with Ukraine? The deal was prevented by the Americans, if at all, of course, such attempts were made by the Chinese. Under the control of the Americans, our Tu-160 and Tu-22M2 were cut using their money and their own equipment (3). So the Chinese there certainly did not shine and let them not invent now.
  15. BLOND
    BLOND 16 December 2015 13: 32 New
    0
    Nevertheless, Russia, as they say, managed to “drop into the last carriage” and in 1999 hired 8 airplanes from Kiev for gas supplies. The remaining 11 cars were, alas, sawn.


    ... 10 boards were sawn + one side (BN 26) was put into "flight" disrepair installed in Poltava at the Museum of Aviation

    In the photo, BN 24 was located in Priluki, the first to be sawn off on November 16, 1998; 466 flight hours
  16. umka571
    umka571 16 December 2015 13: 34 New
    +1
    Indeed, the country is a moron
  17. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 16 December 2015 13: 43 New
    0
    No matter how someone bought this last one! Ukraine has been battling for a long time and will be glad of any freebie. Now we must not miss the bad deal.
  18. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 16 December 2015 13: 45 New
    0
    Familiar photo. Illustration of the pinnacle of Ukrainian independence and Svidomo - cutting strategists for scrap for money and to the thunderous applause of amers.
  19. pts-m
    pts-m 16 December 2015 13: 47 New
    0
    the boughs are probably still biting their elbows at the expense of the incompetent destruction of letaki.
  20. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 16 December 2015 13: 51 New
    0
    Everyone lives as best he can and how he dodges, so does China, and therefore there is nothing to blame them for. By the way, the Chinese have made much profit from Ukraine, including through the navy, as well as the United States.
  21. rudik
    rudik 16 December 2015 13: 52 New
    -1
    Empty debate and false joy !!! So that in the aforementioned Military Acceptance program, it was specifically stated that we REPORT the USA about each movement of these aircraft (even between the hangars of the modernization plant) ... And who are we after that and what are these strategic weapons?
    Can someone explain ?????
  22. rudik
    rudik 16 December 2015 13: 53 New
    -1
    Stalin to Hitler: here I have guns here airfields there are two snipers ... Well, nonsense.
  23. kaschey
    kaschey 16 December 2015 13: 54 New
    +1
    These cries are to me - about Ukrainians, that everyone sells for their own benefit, creeps in front of the Americans, reminiscent of the cries of a monkey climbing a palm tree behind bananas, which another monkey was ahead of in this championship. Look at yourself first ... They themselves initiated the collapse of the union, and now everyone is to blame. We forgot how we jumped before the Anglo-Saxons in the 90s, now this process is proceeding more secretively for the people. Only truly popular power will save Russia from plunder. And now, ideally and held in high esteem, the cult of tsarism and the White Guard, the cult of minority rule over the majority. And do not worry about the Chinese, they learn as smart people from the mistakes of others ....
  24. wow
    wow 16 December 2015 14: 30 New
    0
    Ukrotvari !!!
  25. askort154
    askort154 16 December 2015 15: 05 New
    0
    ".... DO NOT REMOVE, BUT BIT” - before we took this as a joke. As recent decades have shown, this is not a joke, this is the mentality of Khokhlov.
  26. Wedmak
    Wedmak 16 December 2015 16: 35 New
    +1
    Well, even though the Chinese did not buy, it’s scary to think, now they would have instead of the modernized Tu-16, they had Chinese copies of the Tu-160. Not a sickly replacement.
    And about the release of new Swans, on the one hand a little expensive, they are unlikely to release more than a dozen. With another technology advanced and you can prepare plants and enterprises for the release of PAK DA. At the same time to work out a new avionics, and maybe even weapons on a proven glider. But the task is very, very serious.
  27. NBN
    NBN 16 December 2015 17: 29 New
    0
    As far as I remember the events of that time, these 8 machines simply stole pilots to Russia. And only then they gave the Ukrainians money (gas) in order to give the appearance of a sale.
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  29. Stoler
    Stoler 16 December 2015 22: 21 New
    0
    The eleventh bomber and is worried.
  30. Thompson
    Thompson 17 December 2015 10: 19 New
    0
    Not the fact that the sawn timber was not sold. And then it remains just to collect Lego and turn on the brain