Polish MFA: the promises that NATO made to Russia in 1997 g are outdated

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NATO’s guarantees of non-deployment of significant military forces on the territory of the members of the alliance are outdated and were given to the “other Russia,” said Polish Foreign Minister Witold Vashchikovsky.



“We do not question the privileged dialogue between NATO and Russia 1997 of the year. In a conversation with German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, I supported the idea of ​​resuming negotiations between NATO and Russia under certain conditions. But we question the political declaration that no significant military or defense forces will be stationed in the territory of the new NATO member states. We believe that such statements are outdated, as they were made in relation to another Russia, which had not yet behaved imperially and had not waged external wars, ”the newspaper quotes the diplomat. Look.

According to him, “the reasons why significant alliance forces have not yet been deployed in Poland are connected only with the position of Germany, which cares more about Russia's interests than about security interests in Central Europe,” said Vashchikovsky.

“Therefore, we want to ask our German partners: where is your solidarity regarding your closest partner,” he added.

The minister sharply criticized the intention of the Russian Federation and Germany to continue work on the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline.

“We are shocked. For many years we have been saying that Nord Stream 1 was a political project to bypass Central Europe and the possibility of blackmail. We explained this to the Germans, but they repeat the same mistake and try to convince us that this is not a political gas pipeline, but a private commercial project. We were not born yesterday. We know that on the one side there is a powerful Russia, and on the German side there are powerful concerns that implement state policy. In general, we see only a decline in German attitudes towards Poland. But we want good relations and a better understanding of our concern about deploying NATO units in Poland. ”- said Vashchikovsky.

The newspaper reminds that in November Vashchikovsky declared the intention of Warsaw to “invalidate” the Founding Act of the NATO-Russia 1997 of the Year.
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  1. +21
    16 December 2015 12: 05
    connected only with the position of Germany, which cares more about Russia's interests than about interests in the security sphere of Central Europe, ”said Vashchikovsky.

    The Germans remember the fall of the Wall and to whom they owe, Russia.
    Nord Stream 1 was a political project to circumvent Central Europe and the possibility of blackmail.

    No, this is the opposite of dropping parasites and blackmailers from Our pipe. They would create an apple pipeline and pump rights to neighbors.
    1. +15
      16 December 2015 12: 08
      Germans remember the free city of Danzig and the Sudetenland
      1. +19
        16 December 2015 12: 12
        In my opinion, the fourth partition of Poland is close. This time, the final one.
        1. +9
          16 December 2015 12: 23
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          In my opinion, the fourth partition of Poland is close. This time, the final one.

          Why share it? She was part of the Russian Empire wink hi
          1. +6
            16 December 2015 12: 59
            Quote: Nick
            Why share it? She was part of the Russian Empire
            “Well, he’s got it, clairvoyant!” It can’t keep within their bright heads, as the silver-footed Russians put them in a stall all the time. Yes, it’s time to transfer Danzig back to the calloused hands of the German workers — at least they are not so dirty.
          2. +1
            16 December 2015 14: 15
            Quote: Nick
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            In my opinion, the fourth partition of Poland is close. This time, the final one.

            Why share it? She was part of the Russian Empire wink hi



            Latvia also wants to. Why else did they buy armored personnel carriers wink
            1. 0
              16 December 2015 15: 36
              There is nothing to plow on.
        2. +1
          16 December 2015 13: 13
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          In my opinion, the fourth partition of Poland is close. This time, the final one.


          The greyhounds were ate .....
      2. +2
        16 December 2015 12: 50
        there is only one conclusion about NATO: the Anglo-Saxons cannot be trusted, they never keep their words ...
      3. +1
        16 December 2015 13: 16
        No need to take seriously such statements by Polish politicians. Poland warps from just one mention of Russia. Dreams about the revival of the Commonwealth do not leave them, and any dialogue between Europe and our country irritates them.
        1. 0
          16 December 2015 18: 44
          Quote: alexey bukin
          No need to take seriously such statements by Polish politicians. Poland warps from just one mention of Russia. Dreams about the revival of the Commonwealth do not leave them, and any dialogue between Europe and our country irritates them.

          You take thought pygmies and cuckoos of honor too seriously.

          For me, it’s better to keep all their weapons at gunpoint of the cheapest operational tactical missiles than to spend money on space target designation and strategic weapons.

          Poles!!!!!
          Greetings on the Iskander and congratulations on the Caliber have already been prepared !!!
    2. +17
      16 December 2015 12: 12
      “We are shocked. For many years in a row, we have been saying that Nord Stream 1 was a political project to bypass Central Europe and the possibility of blackmail. We explained this to the Germans, but they repeat the same mistake and try to convince us that this is not a political gas pipeline, but a private commercial project.

      It’s envious to the Pshek pig that Russian gas does not transit through Poland, therefore, the Pseks can get a kick in the ass for the transit, but along the bottom of the Baltic Sea, Nord Stream-2 also bypasses the great Pshekia, and they come to guano from impotence and anger.
      1. +6
        16 December 2015 12: 23
        Did he understand that he blurted out? If the promises of NATO are out of date, then the promises of Russia too. This is fraught with increased tension and problems for many.
        1. +1
          16 December 2015 12: 33
          Yes, these promises were not particularly fulfilled. Now they have "dragoon marches", then exercises in the Baltic States, "now diarrhea ... or scrofula" laughing
        2. +2
          16 December 2015 14: 13
          Quote: Wend
          Did he understand that he blurted out? If the promises of NATO are out of date, then the promises of Russia too. This is fraught with increased tension and problems for many.


          Anatoly, I have the impression that if the Polish politicians who are "in power" understood what they were saying, the world would probably be a little better. laughing
          1. +1
            16 December 2015 16: 48
            Quote: Vladimir 1964
            Quote: Wend
            Did he understand that he blurted out? If the promises of NATO are out of date, then the promises of Russia too. This is fraught with increased tension and problems for many.


            Anatoly, I have the impression that if the Polish politicians who are "in power" understood what they were saying, the world would probably be a little better. laughing

            I think that if not only Polish but also other Western and pro-Western politicians were responsible for their words, the world would definitely become better hi
            1. 0
              16 December 2015 17: 57
              Quote: Wend
              I think that if not only Polish but also other Western and pro-Western politicians were responsible for their words, the world would definitely become better


              Well, you, a colleague, and a dreamer. I am only talking about Poland alone, and you are immediately talking about the world. laughing
              But you are right, of course right, but there are big doubts in the soul that such a thing is possible at all. hi
    3. +6
      16 December 2015 12: 30
      But we are questioning the political declaration that no significant military or defensive forces will be deployed on the territory of the new NATO member states. We believe that such statements are outdated, as they were made in relation to another Russia

      Well, the Russian gas and oil pipelines leading to Europe through Ukraine and Poland are already outdated, and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was laying them to maintain their allies and gain hard currency!
      There are no allies, gas and oil pipelines are outdated!
      New fuel lines on a more rational route!
      Nothing personal - business is business!
    4. +4
      16 December 2015 12: 31
      And why should the Germans love the Poles? They always despised them. And the Poles last 200 years of special occasion to be respected did not give. So ... laying between us and Germany, whose borders in the 20th century changed at the whim of our two states.
      1. 0
        16 December 2015 14: 51
        We believe that such statements are outdated, as they were made in relation to another Russia, which has not yet acted imperial and has not waged external wars

        It is from Natka's policy that Russia becomes that “other”.
        Does the Pole refer to the fight against terrorists in Syria as "external wars"?
    5. 0
      16 December 2015 18: 34
      All promises are created so that they would be used in their own interests and under certain conditions violated.
  2. +8
    16 December 2015 12: 07
    Yeah. These promises were not only "outdated", but never fulfilled. NATO was not implemented.
  3. +13
    16 December 2015 12: 08
    Foreign Ministry of Poland, it is not superfluous to recall that the agreements concluded between
    countries not limited by time. Do not have a statute of limitations!
    1. +1
      16 December 2015 14: 17
      Quote: Vikings
      Foreign Ministry of Poland, it is not superfluous to recall that the agreements concluded between
      countries not limited by time. Do not have a statute of limitations!


      Vladimir, do you think they do not know about it? They know of course. But each country that wants to join NATO has certain tasks. For Poland and the Baltic countries, this is anti-Russian rhetoric and "screams" about the occupation. hi
  4. +8
    16 December 2015 12: 09
    An enemy is better than partners like Poland. According to his logic, Germany owes and owes something to it.
  5. +5
    16 December 2015 12: 09
    It’s time to send the Polish ambassador home.
    The reaction of our Foreign Ministry is interesting!
  6. +25
    16 December 2015 12: 09
    The Poles are so dumb that they forget what Warsaw looked like 70 years ago.
    1. +18
      16 December 2015 12: 14
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/918/glfc869.png

      I love to watch Evgeny Yanovich Satanovsky on every talk show
      "lowers" the Poles to the ground when they begin to bend their fingers
      and begin to run into Russia, its people and politics !!! good good good
      1. +2
        16 December 2015 12: 34
        Satanovsky E.Ya. a really high professional analyst in international relations, I also really like his speeches and comments ...
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  7. +11
    16 December 2015 12: 10
    Poles do not understand at all what a promise or a contract is. For them, only the word "lick the owner" has no statute of limitations.
  8. +7
    16 December 2015 12: 11
    We believe that such statements are outdated, as they were made in relation to another Russia, which has not yet acted imperial and has not waged external wars. ”

    The Poles in their servility to the United States have already surpassed the Ukrainians. Either the Russia-NATO act does not suit them, they are asked to place nuclear weapons on their territory, recently they again raised the old theme of the Kaczynski plane (supposedly there was an explosion on board). They seek to occupy the highest pedestal of the international provocateur.
    1. +2
      16 December 2015 12: 47
      And where is the plane of Kachinsky ?! Let them forget - that was also in "another Russia"! smile
  9. +7
    16 December 2015 12: 11
    Russia and Germany defend their interests through the implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project. And Poland and other countries of Eastern Europe defend their own - through the implementation of Russophobic policies and the implementation of orders from the United States directed against Russia. Here is the result. What’s called - who fought for what.
  10. +9
    16 December 2015 12: 12
    But we are questioning the political declaration that no significant military or defensive forces will be deployed on the territory of the new NATO member states.

    And we can call into question Poland’s acquisition of German territories after 2MB
    1. +1
      16 December 2015 12: 21
      Quote: DMoroz
      And we can call into question Poland’s acquisition of German territories after 2MB

      Don't you think that the above card is disingenuous?
      1. +1
        16 December 2015 12: 48
        Quote: Humpty
        Quote: DMoroz
        And we can call into question Poland’s acquisition of German territories after 2MB

        Don't you think that the above card is disingenuous?

        So this is not thanks to Moscow, but thanks to Khokhl-Khrushchev, Ukraine Crimea temporarily got hold of .... The map shows everything correctly, thanks to Moscow.
    2. +1
      16 December 2015 12: 36
      DMoroz-y
      I wonder if this picture has been translated into the languages ​​of the "participants"? Maybe it's not for nothing that NATO, represented by the Youngonatites, "twitched" about "protecting" the borders. Germany, with the support of Russia, would gladly take part in the restoration of "historical" justice. But this requires a trifle - the abolition of the "chancellor-act". And then in Europe everything will fall into place. bully
  11. +4
    16 December 2015 12: 16
    This is Warsaw's pathetic attempt to regain at least some kind of influence, its transit status is negligible, apparently wants to clad arms with weapons and depict the role of a key country in Europe.
  12. +3
    16 December 2015 12: 17
    That Ukraine, that Poland is one and the same, therefore such statements should not be surprised. Time will put everything in its place or spring will show who is where cf * l.
  13. +1
    16 December 2015 12: 18
    But how can one talk seriously with them? Kindergarten downs of some kind.
  14. +10
    16 December 2015 12: 20
    "Geographical news" in its repertoire!
    Sometimes you ask yourself the question: maybe you should have waited to liberate Poland? How many of ours were killed there? Why did we need "whole" Krakow?
    Ungrateful bastards! negative
  15. +1
    16 December 2015 12: 24
    "Therefore, we want to ask our German partners: where is your solidarity in relation to your closest partner", "
    Germans usually show solidarity to the Pole in September laughing
  16. +1
    16 December 2015 12: 25
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    In my opinion, the fourth partition of Poland is close. This time, the final one.


    and what, Poland still exists ???? belay it seems that the people have almost completely died out of them or fled ... what Wow... what
  17. +3
    16 December 2015 12: 25
    Muscular language is Polish everything. It is useless to remind the Poles of memory. Today they drop monuments to those who saved their parents from death, spit in the direction of the people, who, in the years 45-46-47, being himself hungry, shared his last bread and did not ask for payment (like the Americans). Speak out - an agreement. The Polish ruling elite is a gathering of p.o.do.s.c.s.v., it is difficult to expect gratitude from them, not that they have education.
  18. 0
    16 December 2015 12: 28
    and it’s not shameful for this little dog to carry any crap? or instead of a conscience on his forehead h ... he grew up. completely pshek fell below the baseboard.
  19. +2
    16 December 2015 12: 30
    They forgot their place in Europe. Their place is a rug at the threshold of the doors of Russia and Germany.
  20. +7
    16 December 2015 12: 31
    "Along the long front coupes and cabins
    The courteous officer moves.
    Pass passports and I pass
    My purple little book.
    To one passport - a smile at the mouth.
    To others - the attitude is trifling.
    With respect, take, for example, passports
    With a double English left.
    Through the eyes of a good uncle,
    Without ceasing to bow
    They take as if they take a tip
    American passport.
    In Polish - they look like a goat on a poster.
    In Polish - eyes bulge
    In a tight police elephanthood -
    Where, they say, and what kind of
    Geographic news? "
    V.V.Mayakovsky
  21. +4
    16 December 2015 12: 31
    this pan Vashchikovsky is right in one thing, the Germans are pragmatists, in any case there are still some among them, so the desire to cooperate with the Russians prevails over the obligation to protect the ambush. Allied wounds in the person of the Poles.
  22. 0
    16 December 2015 12: 32
    come on you drive the Poles, personally to me they are a curiosity - you can rarely see the malevolent emo.
    1. +2
      16 December 2015 13: 27
      by the way, the Swedes are the same petty piss as the uv. Poles, so don’t especially swagger on this site, especially under this flag. by the way, from yellow-blakitnoy already ripples in the eyes.
      1. -2
        16 December 2015 15: 42
        Excuse me, what do you think you are? I'll try to help you, here is the number of a good psychologist: 955-99-24, good luck!
  23. 0
    16 December 2015 12: 37
    how many times Mother Russia saved Poland from destruction, often even to its own detriment, but apparently not for the future, then let it perish ...
  24. +1
    16 December 2015 12: 40
    Still, can someone explain to me why all countries have their own interests, but only Russia has imperial ones? request
  25. +2
    16 December 2015 12: 41
    A useless country in the center of Europe, producing nothing worthwhile and inhabited by narcissistic goblins, is trying to give itself weight and to attract attention by placing a target on its forehead and putting a "revolver" on it ....

    Once again, they wiped their feet on the "great - Gorbachev" (the only thing that cannot but rejoice) ..

    Pisi: Brzezinski - people
  26. Sly
    +3
    16 December 2015 12: 42
    Poland about Russia and Germany: oh you so! oh here you are! Yes I! Yes I! Yes, I’ll place the nuclear weapons at my place - here you are!
  27. +1
    16 December 2015 12: 43
    Yes, it is clear that the unification of the interests of Russia and Germany is not only a nightmare of the United States. Poles - there too.
  28. +2
    16 December 2015 12: 44
    An honorable pan in his incarnation ... "Meli Emelya, your week ...". Or, as Gleb Zhiglov said, "They sweep their tongues like they wave a broomstick ..."
    1. +7
      16 December 2015 13: 56
      Sorry, not Gleb Zhiglov said that. But the film is the right phrase ... to pshekam
  29. +1
    16 December 2015 12: 44
    Americans bring in such countries under their control such politicians who have completely sold and spit on their countries and citizens. They consider their citizens and their country as sources of personal enrichment. And they probably believe that they will either have time to leave the country in time before the owners decide to destroy it, or hoping that their lives will be enough to draw money from the owners and plunder their own countries. During World War II, they were called the fifth column or simply traitors.
  30. +1
    16 December 2015 12: 48
    How correctly the Minister of Poland spoke out. On the one hand Great Russia, on the other hand the Germans. and between them a prostitute poland.
  31. 0
    16 December 2015 12: 49
    Is Germany Poland the closest partner? Nothing their history teaches! laughing
    1. +1
      16 December 2015 13: 20
      How tired of these sh.a.v.k.i. And on the other hand, why be surprised. You look at all these foreign politicians of the highest rank - milusga in comparison with our LAVROVY. Shredded ...
  32. +1
    16 December 2015 12: 49
    it turns out that obligations may become obsolete !! but I did not know !! belay
  33. +2
    16 December 2015 12: 55
    “Therefore, we want to ask our German partners: where is your solidarity with respect to your closest partner?”

    How is it where? In 1939 Forgot? Not learned moments of history tend to return.
  34. +1
    16 December 2015 12: 56
    And who determines the antiquity of promises? How much should they act? An hour or five minutes? Or does Poland tailor its answers to its wishes? Then this state does not deserve respect and trust. And you can’t deal with them. Because they won’t come up with anything else tomorrow.
  35. +1
    16 December 2015 13: 10
    Well guys, you can question anything, but you’re already breaking it. Only in this case it is worth remembering that the contract always has at least two parties, and if one violates, then the other side does not oblige the contract to anything. And, with regards to Germany, it promotes its own interests, its commercial interests, and that’s all.
  36. +1
    16 December 2015 13: 13
    Polish MFA: the promises that NATO made to Russia in 1997 g are outdated

    In truth, both Poland itself and the Poles are much better and calmer when they are not a sovereign country, but are included in someone’s composition as a province or province. For judging by the level of stupidity, insanity and regression of Polish politicians, Poland, as a subject of international law, was outdated 20 years ago.
  37. +2
    16 December 2015 13: 19
    NATO troops enter Poland.
    Even I remember similar, in the 39-th year it was like ...
    Well, if Poland wants to have a couple of epicenters,
    then let him introduce anything to himself.
  38. +7
    16 December 2015 14: 13
    Quote: Oleg Chertkov
    No, this is the opposite of dropping parasites and blackmailers from Our pipe.


    Long Bear turns around. Dropping blackmailers had to be implanted for a long time, in a word. Russia, by kindness, sincerely feeds those who gaffes at it, on command from behind a puddle. Probably enough
  39. 0
    16 December 2015 14: 21
    Vashchikovsky announced Warsaw’s intention to “invalidate” the 1997 Russia-NATO Founding Act.

    they still can’t understand that even other EU countries are not ready to die for their interests, not like the United States. They themselves have been assigned the role of cannon fodder in the interests of the United States.
    The United States is a lizard and NATO countries are its tail. When the tail sticks somewhere (believing that the lizard will not abandon it) and the lizard is in danger of it (nuclear war), it will simply throw it away. They will simply say by analogy with Turkey. " the problem is not between Russia and NATO, but between Poland and Russia. " They will pat Poland on the shoulder and say "with your thoughts, we are with you."
    The countries adopted after the collapse of the Warsaw block and the USSR to NATO mentally transferred their security guarantees from the Warsaw block (Russia was always ready to send its soldiers to death in the first line to protect their security) by applying them to NATO.
    Which is fundamentally wrong but they will understand this at the last moment of their quiet existence.
  40. 0
    16 December 2015 14: 32
    Their history didn’t teach anything ...
    1. 0
      16 December 2015 22: 14
      History has not taught anyone anything.
  41. 0
    16 December 2015 15: 01
    "Overall, we only see a decline in German sentiment towards Poland."
    Wait guys, you will still see the upsurge of the Germans, and then you will understand that Silesia and other German lands must be returned to the owners.
  42. 0
    16 December 2015 15: 04
    "For many years in a row, we have been saying that Nord Stream 1 was a political project to circumvent Central Europe and the possibility of blackmail." Actually, this is just a business, why would the Germans pay pshek, great ukram or someone else to pay for gas transit.
  43. 0
    16 December 2015 15: 13
    Only the price of apples can be discussed with the Polish Foreign Ministry. Serious problems are resolved only by creating significant threats to US security. The only promise the West made to Russia is to destroy the "Russian spirit".
  44. +1
    16 December 2015 15: 17
    Polish, when do you choke on your hatred.
  45. 0
    16 December 2015 15: 31
    The behavior of the Poles is reminiscent of the behavior of a woman of easy virtue - who pays more, who is stronger, is given to him. In psheks, this is in the genes; and they think it’s completely natural. They used to lie under Tsarist Russia, then under the USSR; and when they fell apart, under the United States. And if suddenly Russia makes a breakthrough and becomes stronger than the United States, then Poland, as if nothing had happened, will again fall under Russia - nothing personal! Well, their fate is such, surrender to the strong!
    Now all the guano pops up; Ukraine, Bulgaria, Montenegro (our best friends) and ... who else are next in line?
    Tsar Alexander was right ӀӀӀ - Russia has only two allies - its army and navy!
  46. 0
    16 December 2015 15: 44
    Yes, do what you want, gentlemen Poles! But know that in the event of a conflict, your entire people, your entire country will turn out to be a zone of hostilities, as a result of which no one will ever make a mistake, leaving the "state of Poland" on the map of Europe!
  47. 0
    16 December 2015 16: 06
    ... the promises that NATO made to Russia in 1997 are out of date ...

    The word is not a sparrow ...
    If you live by the principles voiced by the Poles, then everything for them (and not only) can turn out to be one-on-one with accuracy - on any issues. Russia is not a bandustan!
  48. 0
    16 December 2015 17: 01
    How would Poland not become obsolete? She has been smoking so many centuries in vain.
  49. +2
    16 December 2015 18: 21
    The decision to withdraw the western group of forces was outdated and given to "another Europe" ....
  50. 0
    16 December 2015 19: 29
    We believe that such statements are outdated, as they were made in relation to another Russia, which has not yet acted imperial and has not waged external wars

    The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth at one time missed a historic chance to become an Empire, annexing Ukraine to itself. And the missed opportunities oh how the psyche crush. Only the train left. And even if, hypothetically, Ukraine is absorbed by the Psheks, the Empire will not make it anyway. Well, Russia is always to blame - why be surprised.
  51. 0
    16 December 2015 20: 14
    As officers of the national people's army of the GDR said about Polish people during the Warsaw Pact: “A Pole is not a nation, but a profession.”
  52. 0
    16 December 2015 22: 37
    Why doesn't Germany, following the example of Georgia, create a ministry? reintegration Pomerania and Silesia? Or you can also include the Sudetenland, Alsace, Lorraine - we don’t mind! smile And for Poland to return the Vilna and Lviv regions as compensation - again, it’s not a pity!
  53. 0
    17 December 2015 11: 51
    You're wasting your time in vain. What a visual hysteria of the psheks when it began to dawn on them that they were up to....... laughing And they are excommunicated from the “pipe”. And now they themselves will not be able to blackmail either Russia or Europe laughing