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Oil collusion against Russians

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According to some Western analysts, the White House, which takes into account the experience of unsuccessful protracted wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, does not intend to conduct any ground military operations anywhere. If you need to crush a strategic opponent, you can play the economic card, in concert with regional allies. For example, you can beat Russia with its weak raw materials economy, as well as Iran: with active participation in the political game, Saudi Arabia, an ally of the United States, will lower world oil prices even lower. Make it easy: you need to continue to increase the supply with low demand. The Saudis have such a game experience. It was obtained back in 1980's, when the goal was to destabilize the regime of Saddam Hussein.


Oil collusion against Russians


This writes the British journalist Larry Elliott (Larry Elliott) in the newspaper «The Guardian».

If any oil investor at the beginning of 2014 had thought that because of the intensification of terrorist fighters in northern and western Iraq, oil prices would continue to grow and the world economy would further strengthen, he would continue to invest in oil production. And I would be mistaken. Geopolitical tensions in oil-producing areas did not at all lead to an increase in oil prices, and, above all, steady demand for raw materials fell altogether.

The price of oil, which was more than 110 dollars per barrel, quickly collapsed. In the last three months alone, black gold prices have fallen by a quarter. Huge reserves of unclaimed raw materials have accumulated in the vaults - and this happened against the background of the "stumbling" in the process of restoring the global economy and slowing China's growth. To all this, the “new stagnation in the eurozone” has been added, the author writes.

But this is “not all история“, The analyst notes. The fourfold rise in oil prices caused by the Saudi Arabian embargo on oil exports in response to the Doomsday War in 1973 showed how raw materials can be used as diplomatic and economic weapons. History repeats, says the journalist.

What does the Obama administration want today? According to Larry Elliot, the White House wants peace: 1) Tehran must abide by the nuclear program; 2) Vladimir Putin must retreat in eastern Ukraine.

After the recent events in Iraq and Afghanistan, the White House has no desire to stomp foreign land on the boots of its soldiers. But how to dictate the will of their strategic opponents? Very simple: with the help of its ally, Saudi Arabia, Washington is trying to reduce the price of oil. This is done by filling the already crowded market with oil. Both Russians and Iranians are largely dependent on oil exports. And if the price reduction seriously hits them, they will become much more compliant.

There is information according to which US Secretary of State John Kerry allegedly made a deal with King Abdullah (2015 in September), according to which the Saudis will sell oil at a price lower than the market price. This information helps to explain the fact of falling prices amid crises in Iraq and Syria. Usually, in such crises, the opposite happens: the price of oil rises.

Saudi Arabia was already practicing in bringing down prices in the middle of the 1980-s. “Geopolitical motivation” for bringing oil prices down to a level below 10 dollars per barrel was Riyadh’s desire to “destabilize the regime of Saddam Hussein.”

This time, according to experts on the Middle East, Saudi Arabia wants to exert pressure on Iran and force Russia to weaken support for the Assad regime in Syria.

The impact of low prices on the budget of Saudi Arabia itself is still tolerable. Saudis love “gambling”, and they can afford to live at a lower price for much longer than the Russians and Iranians. Therefore, their oil operation will not last long.

There is no doubt, says a British journalist, that “this is a new manifestation of the cold war” hurts Russia. Judge for yourself: trade in crude oil and gas accounts for 70% of Russian exports. The budget of the Russian Federation simply does not work out if the price of oil is not higher than 100 dollars per barrel.

Yes, Moscow has foreign exchange reserves, but they are not unlimited. The ruble fell by 10% just last week. Such inflation dramatically increases the cost of servicing the foreign currency debts of Russian companies. In addition, the Central Bank is "under pressure", forcing him to think about raising interest rates. This decision could help stabilize the currency, but only at the expense of a “deeper economic downturn,” the British economic truths remind.

However, it seems that Russia's foreign policy has not changed. The support of President Bashar al-Assad has remained. As for Ukraine, the press flashed in the press, the journalist writes, about “Russian troops entering eastern Ukraine.”

Iran’s reaction to all this is not yet clear.

For the United States, these oil games look rather difficult. Washington’s willingness to “play the oil card” stems from the conviction that in time the United States will become the largest oil producer in the world. This statement against the background of falling prices may seem strange, especially since we are talking about shale oil, but the Americans care primarily about national security, and not about exporting raw materials, as Russia does. If before there was the country's vulnerability to “global oil shocks”, then the now accumulated “cushion” of shale oil and gas gives Washington confidence in the future.

The United States does produce a huge amount of oil. “Of course, this is impressive,” writes the journalist and recalls the jump in production in the second quarter of 2014 of the year compared to the 2011 of the year by almost 50%: from 5,7 million barrels per day to 8,4 million barrels per day. These numbers clearly show that any reduction in the supply of oil by anyone, including Iran or Russia, due to or without sanctions, will in no way affect the US economy or the global economy. Oil is still a lot.

On the other hand, such a sharp drop in oil prices makes some shale deposits unprofitable. This is “particularly true of newly planned developments where high investments are required to cover initial costs,” the analyst recalls. In short, the “side effect” of the collusion between the United States and Saudi Arabia exists: bringing down oil prices will lead to the bursting of the “shale bubble,” the author believes.

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Journalist Larry Elliot seems to have no doubts about the collusion of the Saudis and the Americans, who decided to make Russians more “compliant” by crushing the oil market. True, the analyst does not specify: what time will the “conspirators” need to convince Putin to step back from the ideas of “invading” Ukraine and “supporting the Assad regime”? The economic pressure on Russia with the help of games on the oil market also hits the budget of Saudi Arabia, which depends on oil in the same way as Moscow. Lower prices also lead to the collapse of the American shale oil industry. Probably the whole question is that the Saudis and the United States consider the Russian economy to be much weaker than the economies of Saudi Arabia and the United States. They themselves will survive an indefinite short period, but the Russians will not. This period itself will obviously be determined by the moment when Putin goes back down. Will he go?

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  1. Kurdalagon
    Kurdalagon 17 December 2015 06: 17 New
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    Be patient. You look and weep from an oil needle. And it’s somehow sad that some camel drivers can influence the well-being of our country.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 17 December 2015 06: 35 New
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      Quote: Kurdalagon
      Be patient. You look and weep from the oil needle

      Some strange fate in our homeland. So far so good - we are sitting on the stove and ... (back) warm. As soon as what kind of crap happens, we get off the stove and start attacking the aggressors with their snot. And the more serious the crap, the stronger we get.

      What I mean is that, perhaps, the next little games of Saud and staff with oil prices will finally make it clear that money can be earned not only by selling oil? Maybe they kicked up there, who needs it? Although, of course, after SUCH profits, after SUCH awards in Rosneft and Gazprom it is difficult to do anything else, except to steer a gate and take dollars ...

      And if you try to build something? They say that oil in the form of packaging bags - "T-shirts" is 60 times more expensive ... And at my nearest market sellers put purchases in Turkish "T-shirts" ...

      And more
      some camel drivers can influence the well-being of our country
      They have no effect. There is a good book by J. Perins "Confessions of an Economic Murderer". There, in particular, about the Saudis and about who they were before the early 70s, until America became interested in their oil ...

      Saudis do not affect our well-being, America does. And the Saudis are just big children who, in order to divert their attention from adult affairs, were given toys - limousines, yachts, golden toilets ....
      1. atalef
        atalef 17 December 2015 07: 17 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        They have no effect. There is a good book by J. Perins "Confessions of an Economic Murderer". There, in particular, about the Saudis and about who they were before the early 70s, until America became interested in their oil ...

        And who were they? And what have they become?
        a strange conversation is going on.
        It means that when oil prices were pulled up by the very tomatoes - this is good, although they were obviously speculative, when at last this cartel gang began to fall apart and prices came to their rationale - so screaming --- conspiracy.
        Cost of oil production
        Saudi Arabia - 5-6 dollars, a barrel
        Russia -7-8 dollars, a barrel
        Venezuela is the same in the area.
        I would look at the cries of the people, if it was meat, and at curses on sellers and the cartel, rowing profits of thousands of percent and robbing buyers (to name it differently)
        In this bunch, the buyer is a little missed.
        But this connection is not ephemeral.
        OPEC and Russia, among the brakes, have LARGED (otherwise it’s impossible to name) oil buyers, receiving not fair profit in the amount of a thousand percent, now the time has come for the buyer to respond - with the development of technology, shale oil, the lifting of the export ban.
        Strange it turns out - to rob (not to be named differently) - the country of oil buyers is right. and when prices came to an elementary normal level (although along with a hundred percent profit) - this is a conspiracy.
        I would see if the seller in some village, using the inability to buy elsewhere, would inflate prices at times - what would you call it?
        So this is what was on the oil market.
        Low oil prices are good.
        This is cheaper gasoline and lower family expenses.
        You can call it a conspiracy of buyers - do not give a damn, stop robbing.
        A profit of 500% is the same amount. Oil is the same product as everything else and the profit margins (normal) in it have not been canceled.
        I really hope that low oil prices - this is a long time .tk to pay 2 bucks per liter of gasoline, so that they would live beautifully in Saudi Arabia. Maduro was experimenting in Venezuela, and in Russia they built roads at a billion bucks per kilometer - I do not agree, at least not at my expense.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 17 December 2015 07: 35 New
          +1
          Thank you, reminded. I have a book, but I have not re-read something for a long time.
          1. _Vladislav_
            _Vladislav_ 17 December 2015 09: 25 New
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            .... the accumulated “pillow” of shale oil and gas gives Washington confidence in the future.

            Shale oil is one big fake. No, it exists, BUT. It’s also a fake about its supposedly industrial scale of production. Not to mention its competitiveness with traditional oil.
            Cheap Libyan oil, which today is a huge amount in the US oil market, is given out as shale. Hence the confidence in tomorrow.

            So far, Russia has partially blocked the market for the illicit oil trade in Syria, but there is one more hotbed - Libya.

            PS
            Oil, only oil from other countries has always been an object for the capture (appropriation) of the United States. Iraq, Libya, Syria. Remember there was one demotivator where Obama says: "Do you have oil? And if I find it?" And this is a huge logic, the key logic of US actions.

            Yes, the United States can produce oil shale, but only about 50 years, then an environmental disaster will begin in the country. All waters in the country will be poisoned. P.E. oil is needed from outside, mainly in order to speculate.
            1. Down House
              Down House 17 December 2015 11: 07 New
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              Quote: _Vladislav_
              Yes, the United States can produce oil shale, but only about 50 years, then an environmental disaster will begin in the country. All waters in the country will be poisoned.

              An environmental disaster will begin anyway soon.
              1. Talgat
                Talgat 17 December 2015 17: 39 New
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                in fact, the question is not at all about the cost of oil. The main question in the listing of unsecured dollars, and the Fed who prints receive "divine power" - and can set any price, even for oil, even for gold, etc.

                And now they have organized a low price against, first of all, Russia and Iran. and people like Venezuela also suffer. that is, an unfair price for oil has been set. and the USA doesn't care. - they will print dollars with FRS and will always be in chocolate

                Do not believe the atalefs with the Israeli flag - what kind of figures 7-8 dollars cost of oil? Climb yourself - look

                Already under 30, both Russia and Kazakhstan had serious problems -

                And as for 7-8, I’ll say this - these Fed dollars of yours - candy wrappers - are actually not 7 and not 8, but even a thousand dollars are actually worth nothing - but oil is a real product

                I do not despair. just need to be patient - this arrogance and permissiveness is not eternal - there is God in heaven and there is justice - I am sure that everything will be decided and everything will be fine with us

                They are simply outraged by their lies - and especially that you are still being led into this
                1. fzr1000
                  fzr1000 17 December 2015 18: 18 New
                  +5
                  About the cost of oil in Russia in the field of 7-8 US rubles is true. Alekperov confirmed this. It just needs to be delivered to the buyer, and the tanker is cheaper. Plus bloated states in our companies and salaries to top managers (the same Sechin), one after another, and clings.
                  1. Al_oriso
                    Al_oriso 18 December 2015 06: 44 New
                    +1
                    Plus bloated states in our companies and salaries to top managers

                    In the oil and refining industries, a huge administrative superstructure over companies is striking. The number of managers far exceeds the number of really working people. So many departments have been created in companies that resemble flocks of hungry locusts. Moreover, the salary of an ordinary employee of any department is higher than the employee at the factory or at the facility. They are engaged in such near-production affairs that you can’t imagine on purpose. I know firsthand.

                    How to feed all this stuff? Only an increase in oil prices. Therefore, the cost of gasoline will increase, regardless of the price of oil.
                2. atalef
                  atalef 17 December 2015 19: 13 New
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                  Quote: Talgat
                  in fact, the issue is not at all the cost of oil. The main issue is listing unsecured dollars, and

                  take this unsecured dollar and buy 70 full rubles
                  Quote: Talgat
                  they have organized a low price against primarily Russia and Iran. and people like Venezuela also suffer. that is, an unfair price for oil has been set.

                  fair (in my understanding) - even lower.

                  Quote: Talgat
                  Do not believe the atalefs with the Israeli flag - what kind of figures 7-8 dollars cost of oil? Climb yourself - look

                  why bring your numbers
                  Quote: Talgat
                  while at 30 both Russia and Kazakhstan have serious problems -

                  Why so?
                  Quote: Talgat
                  And as for 7-8, I’ll say this - these Fed dollars of yours - candy wrappers - are actually not 7 and not 8, but even a thousand dollars are actually worth nothing - but oil is a real product

                  Of course, nothing costs 1000 dollars. Because you do not have them?
                  Pick up a bucket of oil and go with him to the store

                  Quote: Talgat
                  I do not despair. just need to be patient - this arrogance and permissiveness is not eternal - there is God in heaven and there is justice - I am sure that everything will be decided and everything will be fine with us

                  Insolence and permissiveness, this is when you pump oil at 10 bucks a barrel, and sell for 150
                  Quote: Talgat
                  They are simply outraged by their lies - and especially that you are still being led into this

                  Yes, the arguments you have given are very convincing.
          2. remy
            remy 17 December 2015 15: 34 New
            +3
            I will answer it all easier!
            I don’t want and I will not read everything written above and below!
            : simple, very soon someone will deliver a preemptive strike on the Saudis like!
            - otherwise they all relaxed bl ..
        2. Corsair0304
          Corsair0304 17 December 2015 07: 44 New
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          Quote: atalef
          Low oil prices are good.
          This is cheaper gasoline and lower family expenses.


          Do you seriously believe that due to low oil prices there will be low gas prices? Most likely we live with you in different countries. In Russia (things are strange!), The price of gasoline is only increasing, and everything around is getting more expensive.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 17 December 2015 07: 55 New
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            Quote: Corsair0304
            Most likely we live with you in different countries

            Naturally, in different. Dear atalef from Israel smile
            I remembered:
            “When oil prices rise, the stump is clear, since gasoline is made from oil, then gasoline prices should rise.
            When oil prices fall, oil companies have to raise gas prices to compensate for the fall in oil price revenues.
            When oil prices are stable, then gasoline prices rise because of inflation. "
            1. Starley from the south
              Starley from the south 18 December 2015 00: 32 New
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              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Dear atalef from Israel

              You can be from Israel and live in Russia. It seems nothing illegal ...
          2. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 07: 56 New
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            Quote: Corsair0304
            Do you seriously believe that due to low oil prices there will be low gas prices? WITH

            Yes, and they (we are specifically reduced. I would like more. The same s.u.k.i. muddied) - but reduced
            Quote: Corsair0304
            Most likely we live with you in different countries.

            Well, it can be seen from the flags
          3. kos2910
            kos2910 17 December 2015 09: 40 New
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            In Russia (here things are strange!)

            What's so strange? Do you live in the ruble or dollar zone? Oil was $ 110 - a dollar - 33 rubles, crude oil comes out roughly 3630 rubles, now oil is $ 40 and $ 70, which means oil 2800 rubles. Already not such a dramatic fall. There is a correlation, but not a direct one. At the same time, the price of gasoline is about 60% - taxes and excises, oil itself about 20%, also the correlation is clearly not direct. That is, gasoline is a hidden tax on the middle class. At a time of $ 100, I refuel at 30r, now at 34r. Why the question of greed of the oil lobby is growing and not falling, like new taxes were not introduced. Most likely they simply increase the general inflation trend.
            1. aleks 62 next
              aleks 62 next 17 December 2015 13: 26 New
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              .... Why is the question of the greed of the oil lobby growing and not falling, like no new taxes have been introduced. Most likely they simply increase the general inflation trend ....

              .... It would have been raised for a long time .... But last year's GDP threatened with a finger ... And lo and behold !!!! .... Gas prices stopped growing, froze .... Despite the depreciating ruble .. . hi
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              2. atalef
                atalef 17 December 2015 13: 39 New
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                Quote: aleks 62 next
                would increase .... But last year's GDP threatened with a finger ... And, lo and behold !!!! .... Gasoline prices stopped rising, froze .... Despite the depreciating ruble ...

                Well, maybe he threatens Plato with a finger at the new grid tax?
                Although I don’t think
                mk
                The head of state began his answer to the question by retelling a well-known anecdote about black and white stripes. "I'll tell you an old mossy anecdote. Two friends meet, one asks the other:" How are you? "He says:" Striped: black, white. "-" Now what? "-" Now black. "Another six months pass. "How are you? I know what is in the strip, what is it now? "-" Now black. "-" It was black then ?! "-" No, it turns out that it was white then! "- Putin said. After that he turned to an overview of the state of the economy.

          4. Down House
            Down House 17 December 2015 11: 09 New
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            Quote: Corsair0304
            In Russia (things are strange!), The price of gasoline is only increasing, and everything around is getting more expensive.

            In Russia, the price of gasoline on the contrary fell in price - in dollar terms - one of the cheapest prices in the world.
            And the prices "for food" in this case do not depend on the price of gasoline.
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        4. Erg
          Erg 17 December 2015 08: 28 New
          +3
          Atalef. 2013 - oil 100, gas 30 rubles. 2015, oil 40, gasoline almost 40 rubles. It is a fact. And what you wrote is childhood dreams.
          1. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 08: 33 New
            -2
            Quote: Erg
            Atalef. 2013 - oil 100, gas 30 rubles. 2015, oil 40, gasoline almost 40 rubles. It is a fact. And what you wrote is childhood dreams.

            Whose Dreams 7
            1. Erg
              Erg 17 December 2015 22: 51 New
              0
              want to fool around? lol Yes easily. Your turn.
          2. Down House
            Down House 17 December 2015 11: 11 New
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            Quote: Erg
            2013 - oil 100, gas 30 rubles. 2015, oil 40, gasoline almost 40 rubles.

            Now translate rubles into dollars and think fellow
            1. lwxx
              lwxx 17 December 2015 12: 43 New
              -2
              Quote: Down House
              Quote: Corsair0304
              In Russia (things are strange!), The price of gasoline is only increasing, and everything around is getting more expensive.

              In Russia, the price of gasoline on the contrary fell in price - in dollar terms - one of the cheapest prices in the world.
              And the prices "for food" in this case do not depend on the price of gasoline.
              And the salary? How much gasoline can I buy at an average salary in Europe, the states, and how much in Russia? A barrel of $ 37 and gasoline 50.
              1. Down House
                Down House 17 December 2015 15: 20 New
                +1
                Quote: lwxx
                And the salary?

                What about taxes?
                A communal apartment?
                And usually more expensive products (at pre-crisis prices for sure)?
                So not so high salaries as you think.
                Yes, and there is nothing good in "high average salary" - well, they pay unemployed 500 euros in benefits from your taxes, well, the average salary in the country is higher from this - what's the use and benefit to you ?!
            2. Erg
              Erg 17 December 2015 22: 59 New
              +1
              American, listen to me. 2013 - gasoline 50 cents, 2015 - gasoline 60 cents. So help, our mysterious. Despite the fact that oil fell 2.5 times.
        5. kvampaku
          kvampaku 17 December 2015 08: 37 New
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          Low oil prices are good.
          This is cheaper gasoline and lower family expenses.

          And where in Russia have you seen gas prices go down ???
          In my opinion they only grow, despite the drop in oil
        6. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 17 December 2015 08: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          Low oil prices are good.
          This is cheaper gasoline and lower family expenses.

          Maybe in Israel this is so ... At least, K. Marx taught us this in "Capital". Only here in Russia Karl Marx would have gone crazy. Our gasoline becomes more expensive at ANY world oil prices. Well, and with him everything else. Therefore, I don’t know how in Israel, but for us, Russians who do not trade in oil, world oil prices are something hypothetical. Rather, the question is purely sporting. Because our gasoline price does not depend on the oil price. I've posted a couple of times here overlaying the oil price charts and Russian gasoline prices. An interesting thing - the price of oil jumps back and forth, but for gasoline it calmly, confidently, like a camel on a dune, goes uphill.
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 17 December 2015 09: 32 New
            +3
            Because it is so inherent in our budget policy. Our export duty on oil is tied to world prices. Previously, all the superprofits went to the state, and the oil industry doesn’t care what price they get, roughly speaking, their 20 bucks and do not buzz. But this greed led to the fact that all the risks of changes in world prices fell on the state and during the crisis the budget became empty.
        7. navigator
          navigator 17 December 2015 09: 57 New
          0
          For once, I agree with you, Israeli.
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        9. Gor-1974
          Gor-1974 17 December 2015 10: 01 New
          +7
          Perhaps living in Israel is profitable so that oil would cost 10 bucks per barrel, but living in Russia you understand, Firstly, when the price of oil is low, life becomes worse, and secondly, it’s stupid since there is no universal peace on the planet, to give up the country's property for "pennies" ... whatever you call it, even speculation, even a conspiracy of the wise men of Zion, roughly speaking. The higher the price of oil and gas, the better, the harder it is for our opponents to develop their production, the more chances we have to survive.
          1. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 12: 41 New
            -3
            Quote: Gor-1974
            Perhaps living in Israel is beneficial if oil costs 10 bucks a barrel

            Of course.
            But even more profitable, free and 10 bucks on top laughing
            I'm joking of course
            Quote: Gor-1974
            But living in Russia, you understand, Firstly, when the price of oil is low, life becomes worse, and secondly, it’s stupid since there is no universal peace on the planet — to give up the country's wealth for a “penny”. whatever you call it, even speculation, even a conspiracy of the wise men of Zion

            I’ll tell you my opinion, oil is the property of the country (Take Russia 0 for example and use it correctly. For the good of the people, natural resources belong to all citizens in general, but ... the main thing is to forget about the buyer and keep that balance. When and seller and buyer are satisfied.
            Having raised the price of 150 bucks (I remember that at the time there was no end to comments - like everyone will suck at least for us) you forgot a little about reverse investigation and that the buyer has the same opportunity to make the seller do the same.
            the buyer did not want to and turned on the protective mechanisms - so how?
            therefore, the conclusion is that you do not have to bargain with prices.
            That's all.
            Quote: Gor-1974
            The higher the price of oil and gas, the better, the harder our opponents to develop their production, the more chances we have to survive.

            Only again returning to the written - if the buyer is hard, why did you decide. What will be easy for the seller?
          2. max702
            max702 17 December 2015 13: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: Gor-1974
            Perhaps living in Israel is beneficial if oil costs 10 bucks a barrel, but living in Russia you understand

            You still ask what nation the main shareholders of the oil companies .. Well, to whom to whom but not to the citizens of the promised land to talk about the robbery of buyers by oil producers .. It's simple if you look globallyhigh oil prices allowed many states (and first of all Russia) to get out from under the yoke of world capital, and the trend of such actions grew, so MK dropped the price of oil, and something they lost (out of $ 100 per barrel returned 90) BUT! In this way they do not provide opportunities for the development of other countries, and if it is easier to COMPETE THE COMPETITOR! All! That's the whole tale of oil prices .. And they will take their profits (which may decrease) differently, but the most important thing will eliminate the threat of COMPETITION!
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            2. atalef
              atalef 17 December 2015 13: 26 New
              -1
              Quote: max702
              You still ask what nation the main shareholders of oil companies

              You can’t understand the Sidorovs, high price — Jews profit. low - the same profit. hi

              Quote: max702
              Everything is simple when viewed globally, high oil prices allowed many states (and especially Russia) to get out of the yoke of world capital

              And who are the main shareholders of the oil companies? wink
              Quote: max702
              MK and dropped the price of oil, but something they lost (out of 100 dollars / barrel they returned 90) BUT

              This is to make less money (well, these, the main shareholders of oil companies)
              Quote: max702
              BUT! In this way they do not provide opportunities for the development of other countries, and if it is easier to COMPETE THE COMPETITOR!


              i.e. the main shareholders of oil companies. - spread rot others - major shareholders of oil companies belay
              Quote: max702
              .. And they will take their profits (which may decrease) differently, but the most important thing will eliminate the threat of COMPETITION!

              And who are the competitors?
              1. Hello
                Hello 17 December 2015 14: 51 New
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                high price - Jews profit. low - the same profit.

                Either I am a Jewish Jew or they, give me something to do. fellow
              2. max702
                max702 17 December 2015 15: 44 New
                +3
                Quote: atalef
                And who are the competitors?

                Well, who is this? Here for a denyuzhku from 100 bucks Russia will raise the industry, and with it the military-industrial complex and much more and all amba "to the percentage of the usurer" .. What have we seen in Russia in the last 20 years? That's right, those who got their hands on feeding stuffed their pockets, ate from the belly, grabbed (yachts, villas, planes and, children at Harvard), but then what? It seems that everything is really there! And a house from the best designer in the world, and a miss of the world in mistresses, a yacht like a cruiser, a share in world-class factories, in short, there is everything! And you want one REAL POWER! Not to be partners, but to be at least EQUAL! Better the boss! And what is needed for this? How did they become convinced all their money in REAL power does not mean anything! And they themselves are just temporary managers dependent on the whims of the leadership, WHAT to do to become something meaningful? (Everything else is already there) So it started to reach some so that you need to listen to be strong and independent .. And for this you need a strong country, with a developed economy, science, education, army and many others .. And some movements in this direction began to be outlined .. BUT from the other side they are not fools at all and they understand everything perfectly , that give today opportunities and resources and tomorrow they will be moved away from carving up the pie, or they will even be erased into powder .. So figs for you, and not opportunities ($ 100 / bar ayy ..), sew to you, not resources (credits \ technology), how do you have too much free time and money? Here are the fires on your borders, here are the righteous indignation of the "popular masses" and many other tools .. Once again, for some, LOOK AT THE PROCESSES GLOBALLY! a tool that allows you to achieve profit with long-term planning. And for heaven's sake, you don't have to poke small things likei.e. the main shareholders of oil companies. - spread rot others - major shareholders of oil companies All these costs will more than pay off after eliminating competitors ..
                RS: And regarding the surname of the main shareholders of NK, I’m absolutely right, and if you add here whose surnames are those of bankers, owners of mass media, arms holdings and other highly profitable areas, then it’s completely indecent.
        10. Bakht
          Bakht 17 December 2015 10: 43 New
          +9
          You are in your role. Where you get the figures at cost is not clear.

          The cost of oil is much higher than the units of dollars indicated by you. You do not include tax, do not include transportation costs. Do not consider exploration. You know that the search for oil is practically curtailed due to the low price.

          You are not indignant at the prices for the prices for western products picked up by tomatoes? The cost of Windows for a thousand bucks, although the cost is about $ 10 (B. Gates somehow mentioned). You do not know why, at a price of $ 40, the entire investment activity of the largest oil companies is practically frozen?

          The robbery is coming. But a completely different kind. It is speculative to bring down prices and buy cheap raw materials and impose super-expensive OWN products on others.

          Well, the article itself is stupid and tsifiri cause great doubt. Where did the author find 70% of the Russian budget for petroleum products? By the way, according to the latest data, Israel is involved in the dumping oil trade from ISIS for the most tomatoes.
          1. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 11: 58 New
            -5
            Quote: Bakht
            The cost of oil is much higher than the units of dollars indicated by you. You do not include tax, do not include transportation costs. Do not consider exploration. .

            Really lied - she's lower

            As we can see from the table below, the cost of shale oil production in the United States fell to $ 20 per barrel, thus closely approaching the cost of oil production in the usual way. This state of things is explained by the fact that shale oil production technologies are rapidly improving, and if in 2012 the cost of oil production by this method was about $ 100, then in literally 4 years it was possible to reduce it by almost 5 times.
            The cheapest is oil production in Saudi Arabia and Iran: 4 and 5 dollars, respectively.
            As for Russia, already in explored old fields, the cost of oil production does not exceed 6 dollars, while in new fields it is about 16 dollars.
            Source: Cost of oil production in the world in 2016 year bs-life.ru site
            http://bs-life.ru/makroekonomika/sebestoimost-dobichi-nefti2015.html

            Geological exploration is included in the prime cost; everything else cannot increase the prime cost of oil tenfold
            Quote: Bakht
            . You know that the search for oil is practically curtailed due to the low price.

            Because your oligarchs are ready to steal the whole future, just not to reduce their income
            Quote: Bakht
            You are not indignant at the prices for the prices for western products picked up by tomatoes? The cost of Windows for a thousand bucks, although the cost is about $ 10

            And that thief and that.
            And the sale of Windows for 1000 bucks (although I don’t know where you saw such prices) does not make you fluffy.
            thieves here and thieves there
            Release Windows (or call it something else) - cheaper, better and your own.
            And let Gates start yelling about the Russian conspiracy the same.
            Quote: Bakht
            The robbery is coming. But a completely different kind


            Robbery he alone - from 4000 to - 6000% percent profit
            Or is it all ok?
            Quote: Bakht
            Speculatively bring down prices

            I wonder how is it? Who makes a profit of price collapse?
            Quote: Bakht
            It is speculative to bring down prices and buy cheap raw materials and impose super-expensive OWN products on others.

            those. How are you with the oil? There is a very simple answer to this - let it out cheaper and let them run with their bare ass.
            Quote: Bakht
            Well, the article itself is stupid and tsifiri cause great doubt. Where did the author find 70% of the Russian budget for petroleum products?

            Google to help you.
            See 2014 statistics
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 17 December 2015 15: 55 New
              +1
              I looked.

              Mineral extraction tax - 2 548,7 billion rubles. (Xnumx%)
              Customs duties (import and export for oil and gas) - 3 856,2 billion rubles. (Xnumx%)

              This is for 2015. Where is 70% here? or even 54%?

              I’m tired of repeating: pricing is independent of manufacturers. It depends only on speculators and investment projects of large oil companies. There have been many studies on this subject.

              And now it's impossible to believe the statistics. Deception is in full swing. And one moment. The country's budget is OBLIGED to receive a share from the development of natural resources. This tax is everywhere. And even in Israel. And he MUST be impressive. Minerals in the bowels do not belong to any company. Neither Russian nor Western. This is the property of the state and only the STATE gives permission for exploration and mining. This is true both in the Russian Federation and in the USA.

              Stop trading futures and you will see the REAL value of oil.

              Addition. Not to you. I saw here about renewable oil. As a person who has long worked on the 4D method, I can safely say that seismic data do not confirm this HYPOTHESIS.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 17 December 2015 16: 33 New
                +1
                Here is the opinion of M. Delyagin. You can believe, you can not believe. I believe 100%

                Delyagin:

                - Let's go in order. The price of oil is not determined by the balance of supply and demand. The fact that there the world ocean is clogged with tankers with oil, which is stored in tankers, because the storages on the earth are full, this affects the price slightly. As well as blowing cheeks shoulder-width by Saudi Arabia. The main factor that determines the price of oil is the movement of speculative capital. There are speculative capitals in the world, there was the most speculative market in the world - this is the oil futures market. Speculative capital was sitting in these futures. We had more than 100. Then the United States of America made us disgusting. To all oil exporters, not only to us. We are far from in a worse situation. And they stopped pouring dollars into their economy. The so-called quantitative easing program has ended. They stopped issuing dollars in insane amounts. And as a result of this, the growth in the volume of speculative capital has sharply decreased. Because the money poured into the economy is poured all the same. Accordingly, the pressure of speculative capital on the oil market decreased. And from $ 116 last June, the price of oil flew to 67. Next was Iran, when it fell to 42. And now the current stage of decline is a foretaste of December 16th.
                -----
                And now all the speculative capital of the world in anticipation of this brilliant prospect is now running into American securities. They leave the oil market and go to American government securities. Therefore, when speculative capital leaves the oil futures market, oil flows further. We can see anything tomorrow. And the day after tomorrow, before the meeting of the Federal Reserve System, we too can see anything. That is, for a barrel of oil, of course, they will not give in the face, according to a well-known saying. But it is quite possible that it will fly even lower. But it will be a fall at the peak. Because further the situation will recover. In any case, it should recover.
                ------
                Therefore, I think that 37 is not forever. And I don’t believe in 25 dollars per barrel. Because, in addition to global speculation, there is still such a strange children's thing as the cost of production. And the cost of production is not at the wellhead, as Saudi Arabia tells us: we have four to five dollars. Well, yes, but in some fields we have $ 1,5 at the wellhead. But they still have half a dollar. But if you wind up the costs of repairs, equipment, infrastructure, administrative expenses, and the United States also has a profit margin, then the profitability of not shale oil, but of all US oil is $ 60 per barrel.
        11. Volzhanin
          Volzhanin 17 December 2015 11: 00 New
          +3
          Oil is a non-renewable resource, like gold, so that wise men do not speak there.
          And therefore, it can not be cheap. And that just does not make of it!
          Imagine the situation - traditional oil suppliers all at once refuse to sell it.
          And where will the so-called. "developed countries", especially gayrope? That's right - practically, in the Stone Age.
          I hope the authorities will have enough brains and will to create such an economy in Russia that ALL-ALL-ALL natural resources will be left to ourselves and we will live off the export of high-tech solutions.
          1. andj61
            andj61 17 December 2015 13: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: Volzhanin
            Oil is a non-renewable resource, like gold, so that wise men do not speak there.

            Previously, they really thought so. But now not everyone is sure of this. Very often, in old, worked-out horizons, after 10-20 years, industrial volumes of oil again find themselves. Where does it come from? Some people think that oil is forming now.
            About gold, as well as about all metals heavier than iron in general - some believe that there are practically no primordial rocks on Earth, they appeared as a result of the fall of meteorites and asteroids from the inner space relative to the Earth, that is, the space closest to the sun.
            Quote: Volzhanin
            And therefore, it can not be cheap.

            She is already cheap. The price will naturally increase. With the reduction in the price of oil, the only way to continue selling it for export is to further devalue the ruble so that when the proceeds are sold, the ruble-filled budget will be more or less stable.
            Quote: Volzhanin
            Imagine the situation - traditional oil suppliers all at once refuse to sell it.

            Imagine a different situation - all traditional buyers will refuse to buy it.
            These situations are hypothetical, not real in life. Both buyers and sellers are dependent on each other. Sellers went too far, raising the price of oil - after some time they got its fall. 2-3 years will pass - and the price of oil will rise again - this is inevitable, as it has already been in history, and more than once.
            In the 70s, Arab countries imposed an embargo on a number of European countries for the supply of oil for supporting Israel - they drove cars every other day (legally!), They brutally saved energy, even power outages took place! Result: Europeans invested in savings - the car became smaller and more economical, energy saving made a giant leap, houses began to be seriously insulated, turned to environmental and alternative energy sources. And already in the 80s, the price of oil fell. It has been so many times - it will be so now. Cheap energy resources in total costs weigh less - they will consume more, the economy will grow - total energy consumption will increase - the price of oil will also rise. It is necessary to wait 2-3 years.
            1. S_last
              S_last 17 December 2015 16: 00 New
              0
              The estimated dollar rate at an oil price of $ 30 per barrel, 168. For the budget.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 17 December 2015 16: 08 New
                +1
                The formula has long been calculated

                Ruble = 1 / (0,00024 * Oil + 0,00281)

                Plus or minus a tram stop. At a price of $ 30 per barrel, this gives about 100 rubles per dollar. In any case, until the summer of 2015, this was so.
        12. Down House
          Down House 17 December 2015 11: 05 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Cost of oil production
          Saudi Arabia - 5-6 dollars, a barrel
          Russia -7-8 dollars, a barrel
          Venezuela is the same in the area.

          Oh come on, obviously not 1-2 dollars, the difference seems to me. Yes, and they are on an astronomical scale!
          Quote: atalef
          I really hope that low oil prices - this is a long time .tk pay 2 bucks per liter of gasoline, so that they would live beautifully in saudi

          I will upset you, you will not pay less, only over the years you will pay more - there is no more oil and the price of gasoline will not become cheaper - this is a policy independent of the oil price - the price of gasoline is determined by "ecologists" fellow
          1. Altona
            Altona 17 December 2015 12: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: Down House
            Cost of oil production
            Saudi Arabia - 5-6 dollars, a barrel
            Russia -7-8 dollars, a barrel
            Venezuela is the same in the area.

            Oh come on, obviously not 1-2 dollars, the difference seems to me. Yes, and they are on an astronomical scale!

            ----------------------------
            Sechin recently announced the cost of production 2,18 - Saudi Arabia, 2,76 - Russia. Survival survival rate of the industry is $ 18 revenue per barrel, the rest to the state.
            1. Down House
              Down House 17 December 2015 15: 22 New
              0
              Quote: Altona
              Sechin recently announced the cost of production 2,18 - Saudi Arabia, 2,76 - Russia.

              So be it. And the cost of delivery? By tanker or pipe through permafrost? And another pipe bypassing the "old partners"? Total is already higher smile
              1. Altona
                Altona 17 December 2015 19: 26 New
                0
                Quote: Down House
                So be it. And the cost of delivery?

                ---------------------
                I said a comfortable corridor for the entire industry is $ 15-18 per barrel.
        13. Bakht
          Bakht 17 December 2015 11: 09 New
          0
          Quote: atalef


          So a little tsifiri. And then you keep repeating about profits of 500 and 1000%. The world average (!) Oil price is now $ 36 per barrel. World average cost of 50 dollars per barrel.

          Profit, for example Rosneft, is 13%.

          When operating with incorrect numbers, incorrect results are obtained

          http://utmagazine.ru/posts/9086-stoimost-dobychi-nefti

          Here, at least a more or less complete layout of the costs.
          1. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 12: 02 New
            0
            Quote: Bakht
            So a little tsifiri. And then you keep repeating about profits of 500 and 1000%. The world average (!) Oil price is now $ 36 per barrel. World average cost of 50 dollars per barrel.

            And the average temperature in the hospital is 37.8
            And what does it give you?
            Quote: Bakht
            Profit, for example Rosneft, is 13%.

            It’s a lot, despite all the theft and promotion of unnecessary projects.
            Quote: Bakht
            When operating with incorrect numbers, incorrect results are obtained

            For me, Rosneft is not an indicator, just like its profit .tk before its profit - tell me how many taxes you paid to the budget?
            And this is not oil income?
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 17 December 2015 15: 18 New
              0
              And all they operate with average temperatures.
              13% is not 500. Is the difference felt?
              The profitability of production is determined not by how much was paid to the budget, but how much is left by the company. And very little remains.

              For me, as a production worker, the truth is that oil is not a "cheapening product", but a non-renewable product. And the price is determined not by the manufacturer but by the speculator on the stock exchange.

              The latest data is not out of print. From life since I spent my whole life in oil exploration. 30 years on iron.
              Due to the low (I repeat (LOW) oil prices, almost all exploration projects were stopped. Not only Rosneft, but also Western companies. DOLPHIN is officially bankrupt. WesternGeco is carrying out a third large-scale staff reduction. The fleet was reduced from 60 vessels to 10. Moreover, half PGS is balancing on the brink, and without the support of the Norwegian government, it will also go bankrupt.

              I repeat for the stubborn and unfamiliar with the production. The price of oil at $ 50 is the minimum possible in the world. That same average annual temperature. Everything else is the speculation of office know-it-alls.
              1. atalef
                atalef 17 December 2015 19: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: Bakht
                For me, as a production worker, the truth is that oil is not a "cheapening product", but a non-renewable product. And the price is determined not by the manufacturer, but by the speculator on the exchange

                and I honestly don't give a damn whether renewable or not.
                My life is the same non-renewable product and I absolutely do not want to spend my hours working on paying for a billion roads, yachts and salaries of top managers - who sell this non-renewable product and profit from it --- personally.
                Quote: Bakht
                Due to the low (I repeat (LOW) oil prices, almost all exploration projects were stopped

                Dismiss a couple of top managers, reduce the cost of corporate and private jets, do not run planned unprofitable projects, just to show the goat to former friends - and believe me - there’s enough money to search for oil on Mars
                Quote: Bakht
                WesternGeco is conducting the third large-scale staff reduction. Fleet reduced from 60 ships to 10

                I just want to cry? And with all this, how do they produce oil by 105 more than last year? Perhaps it was all superfluous?
                Quote: Bakht
                Without the support of the Norwegian government, bankrupt too.

                To the light bulb.
                Nefi is mined more than last year. So they can, when they want, with a smaller number and at lower costs
                Quote: Bakht
                I repeat for the stubborn and unfamiliar with the production. The price of oil at $ 50 is the minimum possible in the world.

                Isn’t everyone getting a loss now? Is that all?
                Quote: Bakht
                Everything else is the speculation of office know-it-alls

                everything else is that you don’t look out the window.
                Oil costs less than 37 and everyone continues to produce it.
                Gasoline is getting cheaper - the rest of me, as a consumer, doesn’t care
                the only question is, how did they profit from me, if what they can now sell for 37, they used to give me 150.
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 17 December 2015 21: 17 New
                  0
                  I understand that you are a bright representative of the consumer society. All those companies that I have listed are NOT oil producing companies. This is all exploration for oil in the sea. At these (what you think are overstated) prices, the search has stopped. And in a few years there will be nothing to ride. And these are not Russian companies, but the largest service companies in the West. WesternGeco and PGS are generally the largest. And they didn’t spend money on corporate parties.

                  We have communicated before and there is no point in explaining everything in a new way. The latest news. With "inflated prices", production in Venezuela has practically stopped. There is no point in mining at a loss. Russian companies extract from the devaluation of the ruble, and in the Middle East they save tanker shipments (they are cheaper than pipelines)

                  The biggest misfortune is when a production worker is arguing with an office worker.

                  Let's look at the rebound. I believe Delyagin and expect a price increase in 3-4 months. But the geophysical service has already collapsed and will have to be restored with even more money. You just can’t imagine what it is: the search for oil on land and at sea. There are not enough 100 bucks. You were not in Alaska and the Beaufort Sea. Have you ever seen how technology refuses frosts? Electronics in front of our eyes was covered with a copper basin and we lost control of the devices. A winch can not be cranked up, because everything is frozen. True Aurora was beautiful. But our client, Shell, spent 2 billion there in three seasons and curtailed his work. Probably because oil is very expensive.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 17 December 2015 21: 49 New
                    0
                    Quote: Bakht
                    I understand that you are a bright representative of the consumer society

                    Gasoline - yes.
                    tell me, if the electricity produced by my company would be pushed to you not with a 5-7% mark-up like ours, but with 2000% - like yours.
                    How would you howl?
                    Quote: Bakht
                    All those companies that I have listed are NOT oil producing companies. It's all exploration for oil in the sea

                    So maybe you don’t have to scout so much? Enough of what is.
                    An excess of oil.
                    Quote: Bakht
                    And in a few years there will be nothing to ride

                    Why? Will the oil disappear? Will the frames be lost?
                    There will be little oil, the price will move up. Begin to explore, drill, mine - the market
                    Quote: Bakht
                    With "inflated prices", production in Venezuela has practically stopped. There is no point in mining at a loss.

                    For me - so let it not be mined. If there is enough oil, you don’t bother. why in the USA some of the shale projects are bent? If there is enough oil in the world. and Venezuela is not profitable to mine - so let it not be mined
                    Quote: Bakht
                    Russian companies mine through ruble devaluation, and save tanker shipments in the Middle East (they are cheaper than pipelines)

                    I don’t give a damn. when I paid 2.5 bucks per liter of gasoline. none of the oil companies spared me or asked me. how do you do that Where do you get the money from?
                    Therefore, I am absolutely not interested in the problems of oil companies - either get cheap - or fuck the beach.
                    I don’t have money for gas - I don’t drive.
                    What are you better than me?
                    Quote: Bakht
                    The biggest misfortune is when a production worker is arguing with an office worker.

                    Is it me an office worker?
                    I’ve been in the energy sector for 30 years, I started with power plants, now I’m doing high-voltage substations.
                    Quote: Bakht
                    look at the rebound. I believe Delyagin and expect a price increase in 3-4 months

                    I hope this does not happen
                    Quote: Bakht
                    But the geophysical service has already collapsed and will have to be restored with even more money.

                    Take part of Sechin’s salary and you don’t have to disperse
                    Quote: Bakht
                    You just can’t imagine what it is: the search for oil on land and at sea

                    You can’t imagine an accident at a 400kV busbar substation in a gas-insulated switchgear
                    Quote: Bakht
                    There are not enough 100 bucks.

                    in the event of an accident, the so-called white dust (decomposition product of SF6) arises which is terribly carcinogenic and must be eliminated in gas masks, protective suits such as OZK, and all this in 40-degree heat, 24 hours a day for 12 days.
                    So - one example.
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 17 December 2015 21: 50 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Bakht
                    You were not in Alaska and the Beaufort Sea.

                    So what ? Have you worked on a transformer in the Jordan Valley. when mp 80 degrees, and around 45 (in the shade)
                    Quote: Bakht
                    Have you ever seen how technology refuses frosts? Electronics in front of our eyes was covered with a copper basin and we lost control of the devices

                    I saw an arc of 160kV. when only smoke and scrap are left from the disconnector, or when a 45mVA pipe, due to breakdown of the bushing and internal short circuit, inflates like a tin can and tears off the top lid with an emission of 25 tons of oil?
                    Quote: Bakht
                    . A winch can not be cranked up, because everything is frozen. True Aurora was beautiful.

                    When a short circuit overhead in a 160 kV switchgear is probably the same beautiful arc, only I ran at such a speed that I did not see
                    Quote: Bakht
                    But our client, Shell, spent 2 billion there in three seasons and curtailed his work. Probably because oil is very expensive.

                    because it is not economically sound.
                    Or you propose at my expense to support various projects that no one needs *
                    Each profession has its own nishtyaki and horror stories.
                    And everyone thinks that his workplace is the most important thing in the world.
                    Believe me - this is not so.
                    They lived before us and outlive us, and with our departure, nothing will fall apart.
                    so here. put these tales aside.
                    Oil was expensive. speculatively expensive, oil companies simply robbed the consumer.
                    Not deservedly so. arrogantly, fattening and swimming in money.
                    It ended - and thank God.
                    Thanks and good luck.
                    1. Alexy
                      Alexy 18 December 2015 10: 14 New
                      0
                      You are absolutely not familiar with the topic under discussion. Oil and gas production is a continuous process of exploration, drilling, construction of infrastructure and finally production itself. Now, intelligence and partially drilling with construction have fallen from this chain. Speaking in a language you understand, now only pumps work. This cannot go on for long.
                    2. Bakht
                      Bakht 18 December 2015 10: 44 New
                      0
                      In the Jordan Valley did not work. But he worked in the Karakum. In May, in the shadow of 45 Celsius. The problem is that there is no shadow in the desert. And the sand is 75-80. Hard-boiled eggs were cooked without a frying pan. I'm not talking about horror stories of my own. I can tell more terrible. Ever seen sand pockets? Or how to pull a drill out of sticking? The emergency foreman received 5000 rubles (Soviet) in an envelope. This is a Lada. For the fact that he saved the well.

                      We are talking about oil and I am talking about oil. And he never considered his place the most important. Shell began work on the Alaskan shelf at a price of $ 140 per barrel. There is oil there. I give a tooth. But when the price fell below $ 100 (not 35, not 50, or even 80) and $ 100 per barrel, then, you say right, production has become unprofitable. And you rub me here, that the average temperature in the hospital should be even lower than 35. It should not.

                      A barrel of oil (this same barrel) is 159 liters of oil. The price is now roughly 35 bucks. How much is a liter? We divide one into another and we get that a liter of oil is roughly 23 cents. Yes, plain water in a faucet is more expensive. Should it cost even less? Oh well. Oh, these optimists ....

                      Following up. Who robbed whom - the question. I now believe that before the price was fair. Because the cost is about 50-60 dollars. And all the tales about 5-6 dollars can be left to children in the kindergarten. And now there is a robbery. But this is not for long, I hope.
                2. Alexy
                  Alexy 18 December 2015 09: 45 New
                  0
                  You are very naive as I look. If you think that oil prices are directly proportional to the prices of fuel that you buy at a gas station, then you are deeply mistaken. Gasoline did not fall three times. These manipulations with oil will not bring to good. All oil companies have already turned off exploration, drilling has decreased significantly. Now oil is extracted from old wells and they are not bottomless. There are few resources left on land, but not enough money on the shelf. The whole fleet is without work. Small companies began to go broke. And this is a huge infrastructure with hundreds of thousands of specialists. And those who buy yachts and gold toilets, do not worry about them, if necessary, then they will increase gasoline, but will not remain at a loss.
        14. silver_roman
          silver_roman 17 December 2015 11: 35 New
          0
          that the price is unfair is another matter.
          here we are talking about who and why is now using the reduction in oil prices for their own purposes.
          obviously this is not done with good intentions, so that it would be more profitable for Israel to buy oil (although Israel has its own tariffs with IS, but this is also a different matter).
          And regarding the conversations of the "oil needle", here we stubbornly jump on the same rake, once again getting on the forehead
        15. volodimer
          volodimer 17 December 2015 11: 48 New
          +2
          Here we have already recalled an anecdote about "how much gasoline will rise in price if oil becomes free!" And about the fairness of the cost of a barrel of oil, an iPhone lid, a liter of milk and a loaf of bread, you can break a lot of mines here.
        16. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 17 December 2015 12: 06 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          And who were they? And what have they become?
          a strange conversation is going on.
          It means that when oil prices were pulled up by the very tomatoes - this is good, although they were obviously speculative, when at last this cartel gang began to fall apart and prices came to their rationale - so screaming --- conspiracy.

          +100 to Karma Sanya! good hi
        17. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 17 December 2015 12: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          A profit of 500% is the same amount. Oil is the same product as everything else and profit rates (normal) in it no one canceled.

          Have mercy! We are 25 years old are told that we are walking the bright road to capitalism, that the road is littered with nothing, that the entire "developed" world has long been there up to its ears and waiting for us with open arms!

          What is the "normal rate of profit" under capitalism? I doubt, dear Alexander, that at night you read Capital with the nervous light of a candle. The only rate of return under capitalism is cheaper to buy and more expensive to resell. Whoever bought for a dollar and sold for ten is an "enterprising, competent businessman." And whoever bought for a dollar and sold for 1,1 is a loser, he has no place in market relations, etc. I don’t know how in Israel, but we have been living like this for 25 years. And we had a "fair rate of profit" for 70 years until 91 ... In Israel, I don’t know, but in the "most democratic democracy in the world" it never existed at all. Where and what are the norms in a country founded by thieves, crooks and bandits and proclaiming their bandit principles as the highest values?

          By the way, he himself never attempted to trade anything at all - my design, apparently, is not the same. It’s easier for me to give or take away than to sell or buy for resale. Therefore, probably, I do not bargain on the market either. How much they ask - so much and cry. Although, I have been going to the same market for 40 years. They will not deceive me there - they know ... But even for my work when I set a price, I also do not like it when they are being traded. If only because I never take too much.
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          2. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 12: 52 New
            +4
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Have mercy! We are 25 years old being told that we are walking the bright road to capitalism, that the road is strewn with goodies, that the entire "developed" world has long been there up to its ears and is waiting for us with open arms!

            Why not ? How about cars, for example?
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            What is the "normal rate of profit" under capitalism?

            In general, 10% is considered wonderful.
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Who bought for a dollar and sold for ten - that "enterprising, literate businessman

            If I could sell it, then yes, only a goof is more buoyant, or rather not an eternal goof
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            And the "fair rate of return" we had 70 years before 91 was


            Do not know
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Where and what are the norms in a country founded by thieves, crooks and bandits and proclaiming their bandit principles the highest values?

            and trying to spread the concept to the whole world.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 18 December 2015 14: 22 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              What is the "normal rate of profit" under capitalism?

              In general, 10% is considered wonderful.

              Maybe in the "civilized world" it is so. But here, believe me, from hypermarkets to grandmothers with tomatoes on the market, allegedly selling "their crops" - NOBODY will trade for 10%. The normal "rate of return" in modern Russia is from 70 to 100%. For example, "branded" rags are brought from Europe with a "normal rate of profit" of 400-500%, tools are sold for 75-120%, vegetables - for 75-200%, milk and bread - for 60-100%. 10-20% - only real estate. I am writing only about what I know for sure - I do not live alone in the world - there are different friends and acquaintances.

              This is such a "political economy" ...

              Did you know that a fixed set of Ikea products is more expensive than ours, only in Israel and Japan? Moreover, "Ikea" gives one data - for a specific product. And for a group of different-sized goods of 50 names, it comes out completely differently ... And the cheapest Ikea countries are the USA and Sweden ...

              Who says we live poorly, huh? what
        18. Very old
          Very old 17 December 2015 13: 18 New
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          Here is YOU on YOUR account: Turkey and ...
          cooperate with ISIS (Daesh), buying oil from terrorists - try to refute
          1. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 13: 31 New
            +4
            Quote: Old very
            Here is YOU on YOUR account: Turkey and ...
            cooperate with ISIS (Daesh), buying oil from terrorists - try to refute

            don't buy, try to prove
            1. Very old
              Very old 17 December 2015 16: 15 New
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              Here, it’s not sucked out of a finger - the source is indicated in the above note
              1. atalef
                atalef 17 December 2015 19: 27 New
                +1
                Quote: Old very
                Here, it’s not sucked out of a finger - the source is indicated in the above note

                from it and sucked.
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            3. Very old
              Very old 17 December 2015 16: 45 New
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              No Israeli admits business dealings with terrorists

              Yes to you ... at least refer to the eyes
          2. Very old
            Very old 17 December 2015 16: 19 New
            +1
            And one more thing (well, you certainly won’t believe this - a Russian source)
            Nothing more - just business
            Proud of the minus from atalef hi
            1. atalef
              atalef 17 December 2015 19: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: Old very
              And one more thing (well, you certainly won’t believe this - a Russian source)
              Nothing more - just business
              Proud of the minus from atalef hi

              Do not give a damn and grind on your sources.
              why not GSh. nor Putin. Assad no claims do not put us?
        19. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 17 December 2015 13: 21 New
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          ..... And who were they? And what have they become?
          a strange conversation is going on ....

          .... I agree that it's strange .... And you are probably gnawing at the fact that the Almighty deprived Israel of oil reserves ???? .... This is right and comes from your post .... Well, what we have, we have ... Well, Russia is "to blame", which has about 30% of all the resources of the planet .... laughing .... By the way, the cost of oil production is almost doubled, if you believe the figures in the article on the next branch .... And the share of Russia's GDP from the sale of gas and oil is not so critical - about 2-22 % ..... (in a union, when everyone shouted to sundry: "sold the mustache !!!" - the share was from 25 to 8% - according to various sources) .... hi
          1. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 13: 35 New
            +4
            Quote: aleks 62 next
            I agree that it’s strange .... And you must be offended that the Almighty deprived Israel of oil reserves ???? ....

            It is good that there is no oil in Israel.
            And now that they have found large gas reserves, the country is in serious controversy and demonstrations are being held. to ban its export.
            Think why?
            We understand . getting hooked on the needle is easy.
            Only degradation and, first of all, of the brain will go.
            we don’t want it.
            Ask any Israeli - good or bad. that we do not have oil --- the answer will surprise you
            Quote: aleks 62 next
            Well, Russia is "to blame", which has about 30% of all the resources of the planet ....

            of course. not guilty.
            Quote: aleks 62 next
            By the way, you have almost doubled the cost of oil production, if you believe the numbers in the article on the next branch .... And the share in Russia's GDP from the sale of gas and oil is not so critical - about 2-22% ... .. (at the union, when everyone shouted to whom not laziness

            honestly speaking - I have different numbers, and the piano does not play.
            I'll tell you . we don’t have any oil at all and when the price fell, we began to live much better
            And we are definitely not to blame.
        20. extremall
          extremall 17 December 2015 14: 15 New
          +2
          Everyone was racking their brains - at whose expense is the banquet? .. It turns out that atalef is banking))) thanks to him for this laughing
        21. Lexa-149
          Lexa-149 17 December 2015 14: 30 New
          +1
          This is our oil. For as much as we want, for as much as we sell. No one forces you to buy. And so everyone does everything! Do the glorious sons of the people of Israel think differently ?! Something is imperceptible ...
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          2. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 14: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: Lexa-149
            This is our oil. For as much as we want, for as much as we sell.

            This is our money, for as much as we want, for as much as we buy
            Quote: Lexa-149
            No one makes you buy

            Nobody makes you sell cheap
            Quote: Lexa-149
            And so everyone does everything!

            not this way
            Quote: Lexa-149
            Do the glorious sons of the people of Israel think differently ?! Something is imperceptible ...

            It is noticeable, in the absence of a balance - supply and demand and sellers' greed - suddenly a price collapse occurs and someone starts yelling about the conspiracy.
        22. user
          user 17 December 2015 15: 26 New
          +2
          OPEC and Russia are among the brakes among the Robbery (otherwise it’s easy to name) oil buyers


          You have a strange idea of ​​pricing, or maybe give it for free and pay extra to take more. This is a great Jewish dream, and what would you say if so much oil was in Israel. even interesting.
          1. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 19: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: user
            You have a strange idea of ​​pricing, or maybe give it for free and pay extra to take more.

            Why not ?
            Quote: user
            This is a great Jewish dream, and what would you say if so much oil was in Israel. even interesting

            I already spoke about oil in Israel
        23. Railway
          Railway 18 December 2015 05: 21 New
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          But in Russia, the price of fuel does not depend on the price of oil, but it depends on excise taxes, as if it were not fuel but alcohol or tobacco.
      2. atalef
        atalef 17 December 2015 08: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Some strange fate in our homeland. So far so good - we are sitting on the stove and ... (back) warm. As soon as what kind of crap happens, we get off the stove and start attacking the aggressors with their snot

        you don’t read the snot banging. you start talking about a worldwide conspiracy.
        although it’s not clear. as if from all this formula of oil prices - you are taking Russia aside. and why?
        Russia is the world's largest oil producer. bigger than Saudi Arabia.
        you want to say . that Russia cannot influence the price - laughter. what is the logic behind the increase in oil production. in a period of oversupply and at the same time yelling about a conspiracy and why type prices are falling
        You and OPEC - living on the hopelessness of the customers decided not just to fatten at our expense. you decide to rip off the last pants. I'm not saying that. then under this business they also decided to blackmail these countries politically. raising the price to 150 bucks (20 times higher than the price of production, how not to recall capital). completely forgetting. that the buyer will begin to include the brain and defense mechanisms.
        and they are included. in response to the robbery (you can't call it otherwise)

        1. The development of energy-saving technologies
        2. shale oil
        3. The abolition of the export ban.
        This is absolutely normal customer reaction.
        And then a howl began on the Volga - robbers were robbed.
        2000% profit per barrel - is this not theft?
        oil-producing countries intoxicated in superprofits began to do complete idleness in the market and politics, blackmailing other countries.
        What kind of reaction did you expect?
        would keep reasonable prices (40-50 bucks) and the sheep are safe and the wolves are full.
        no, I didn’t want more, what would be like in an anecdote - to suck. the bubble is not measured.
        ended and thank god. I hope forever. maybe there cannot be such a level of profit in a product of * national * consumption.
        It does not look like a reasonable price - it looks like a predatory tax on luxury, thoughtless decisions, arrogance and idleness of oil-producing innovations.
        Conspiracy? Often, such conspiracies would be arranged with regard to other goods and services - you look, they would become less robbery.
        1. andj61
          andj61 17 December 2015 08: 55 New
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          Greetings, Alexander!
          Quote: atalef
          2000% profit per barrel - is this not theft?
          oil-producing countries intoxicated in superprofits began to do complete idleness in the market and politics, blackmailing other countries.
          What kind of reaction did you expect?
          would keep reasonable prices (40-50 bucks) and the sheep are safe and the wolves are full.
          no, I didn’t want more, what would be like in an anecdote - to suck. the bubble is not measured.
          ended and thank god. I hope forever. maybe there cannot be such a level of profit in a product of * national * consumption.

          Let me disagree with you all. After all
          1. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 09: 03 New
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            Quote: andj61
            Greetings, Alexander!
            Quote: atalef
            2000% profit per barrel - is this not theft?
            oil-producing countries intoxicated in superprofits began to do complete idleness in the market and politics, blackmailing other countries.
            What kind of reaction did you expect?
            would keep reasonable prices (40-50 bucks) and the sheep are safe and the wolves are full.
            no, I didn’t want more, what would be like in an anecdote - to suck. the bubble is not measured.
            ended and thank god. I hope forever. maybe there cannot be such a level of profit in a product of * national * consumption.

            Let me disagree with you all. After all

            Hi Andrew!
            What is your opinion?
            Maybe I’m somehow not looking at it right? Just don’t forget - my position-position - customer’s position
            Happy New Year !!!!!
            1. andj61
              andj61 17 December 2015 09: 26 New
              +1
              You too with the coming. True, another two weeks before him - although they will pass quickly, but there is still a lot of time! He began to write - distracted, finished writing - and no longer accepted the corrections site!
              Oil prices have been constantly jumping up and down since the 70s, and now they will also. Remember the embargo on countries supporting Israel in the 70s, low prices in the mid 80s and late 90s, falling prices in 2008 and their subsequent height. Oil prices are a swing. 2000% - this is oil from the Gulf countries, our profit was not more than 400% - and this is without taking into account transportation to the port or to the border. And they do not produce oil, but they produce it. How much of it remains, how much production will cost in the future is unknown. We entered the Kara Sea, and there the production is three summer months. With a hundred bucks - it paid off, at current prices - it never paid off.
              And fair prices are 50-70 bucks, not 40.
              And it will be soon, despite the US permission to export oil and the expectation of additional oil from Iran. We will wait only two years three years. As soon as the Chinese economy really goes up, oil prices will rise. hi
              1. _Vladislav_
                _Vladislav_ 17 December 2015 09: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                1. The development of energy-saving technologies
                2. shale oil
                3. The abolition of the export ban.

                Hello, Alexander hi )

                The one who will be the first to create an alternative source of energy (a thermonuclear reactor, three helium will be brought from the moon, something else) will also be slippers. And the subsequent robbery will begin, lined up to gain access to this energy.

                And the epic with traditional energy is far from over. The Saudis will squeeze themselves like a sponge in the next 50-80 years, so look at what they will be like without oil.
                In Russia, in addition to explored and unexplored reserves, there is the prospect of energy production at the North Pole, where we are already being fully implemented. We build military bases, airfields, etc.

                In addition, prices in the range of 75-80 dollars are quite affordable. Now what is happening is an artificial understatement, which also requires efforts (strain) from those international participants who started this.
                1. navigator
                  navigator 17 December 2015 10: 01 New
                  +2
                  Quote: _Vladislav_
                  The one who will be the first to create an alternative source of energy (a thermonuclear reactor, three helium will be brought from the moon, something else) will also be slippers. And the subsequent robbery will begin, lined up to gain access to this energy. And the epic with traditional energy is far from over. The Saudis will squeeze themselves like a sponge in the next 50-80 years, so look at what they will be like without oil.


                  Love fiction? After 50-80 years to see? What will happen in a year, try to predict.
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                3. sa-ag
                  sa-ag 17 December 2015 10: 06 New
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                  Quote: _Vladislav_
                  The first to create an alternative energy source (thermonuclear reactor

                  Well, the Germans recently launched their own stellarator, they plan to go out on a 30-minute plasma retention
                4. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 17 December 2015 10: 41 New
                  +2
                  "In Russia, in addition to explored and unexplored reserves, there is
                  the prospect of energy production at the North Pole "////

                  At the North Pole? Even on the northern shelf of Russia, drilling stopped
                  how unprofitable. Only at a jump in prices up to $ 100, perhaps they will resume
                  drilling.
                  And classic deposits, both in Saudi and in Russia, are coming to an end. And there is nothing new, large, reconnoitered.
                  Now Iran is also entering the market with a mass of oil and is finally killing prices.
                  1. _Vladislav_
                    _Vladislav_ 17 December 2015 11: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    And classic deposits, both in Saudi and in Russia, are coming to an end. And there is nothing new, large, reconnoitered.

                    Not certainly in that way.
                    In Russia, what is the overall picture - well, firstly: Oil reserves are constantly replenished. Recently, in Russia, every year, growth exceeds production. For example, in 2013, 523 million tons were mined, and 688 million were explored. In May 2014, the Ministry of Natural Resources reported that by 2020, reserves would increase by 6 billion tons. Another 15–20% of the increase is due to the discovery of new deposits. Basically, the reserves are replenished due to the refinement of old fields - modern technologies make it possible to detect oil that could not be found earlier.
                    At the North Pole? Even on the northern shelf of Russia, drilling stopped
                    how unprofitable. Only at a jump in prices up to $ 100, perhaps they will resume
                    drilling.

                    This is primarily due to the fact that so far the pricing environment is such that it is more profitable to mine on the continent. But this does not mean that it will not be mined on the shelf. There are specific deadlines, so by 2020 the Ministry of Energy expects that the share of hard-to-recover oil will be 11% of all production, and above all on the shelf.

                    Unexplored reserves in RF on the continental part of Russia, will allow to produce in 2020 at least:
                    oil - 360 million tons per year;
                    gas - 700 billion cubic meters per year.
                    It is estimated that these volumes of oil and gas production will fully satisfy domestic demand for energy resources and ensure exports at a level that ensures Russia's obligations to creditors. So in Russia, in this regard, all the rules.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 17 December 2015 11: 41 New
                      +2
                      for _Vladislav_:
                      "Oil reserves are constantly replenished" ///

                      Reserves are divided into "proven", "proven",
                      and "practically achievable".
                      "explored" = "somewhere deep there is oil"
                      "proven" = "there definitely is so much oil"
                      "practically achievable" = "to produce this oil, you need to invest 10 billion (for example) dollars." those. if there are these 10 billion - then it is "practically achievable", if not - then the reserves remain "explored". sad

                      In Russia, as far as I know, it is mainly the "explored" ones that are growing ...
                      1. Former
                        Former 17 December 2015 19: 40 New
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                        This is partly the case.
                        Almost everything that is being drilled was explored in the USSR.
                        About the fact "that only the explored grow."
                        With the New Year, the big Suzun project begins (well, at least many of my colleagues are waiting for new jobs and, of course, career growth)
                        http://www.chevy-clan.ru/mainforum/index.php?board=25.0

                        It is assumed that there will be no less than Vankor (in fact it is Vankor-2), the next stage of Vankor-3 is closer to the shores of the Arctic Ocean and offshore drilling

                        They have long been talking about a large oil-bearing area on the right bank of the Ob.
                        He worked there (Kiev-Yoganskoye), at the first field, from which the first siphon was thrown from the right bank across the Ob to the Zavyalovo PSP

                        Alas, the field turned out to be "zilch" and is now closed, but this does not mean that there is no oil there
                        - Stimul-T (Linear nmr) is producing oil quite successfully, albeit a little on the right bank - oil flows through the aforementioned siphon.

                        In general, while there is oil and gas, it is true that most often deposits are destroyed for profit.

                        Example
                        -3 wells gave 1500m3 per day (this is a lot for the Tomsk region)
                        They released an overly powerful ESP (to show investors that, well, they’ve got enough oil!), Naturally they started to choke to maintain a dynamic level, an increase in the temperature at the bottom, liming ...
                        Then unsuccessful hydraulic fracturing and ...
                        3 wells began to produce 100 cubic meters per day ..

                        But they could work for 10 years:
                        - first with a fountain ", then ESP, then SRP, as it was in the days of the USSR.
                5. Down House
                  Down House 17 December 2015 11: 33 New
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                  Quote: _Vladislav_
                  The first to create an alternative energy source

                  Yes, it’s already being created - electric cars plus solar panels in the house - it’s clear that these are new products, but people already use the same SBs, including in the Russian Federation, and they ENOUGH it.
                  Therefore, it is too early to talk about "industrial consumption", but you can already afford autonomous electricity consumption today.
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                7. atalef
                  atalef 17 December 2015 12: 18 New
                  +2
                  Quote: _Vladislav_
                  Hello, Alexander

                  hi Vladislav !!
                  Quote: _Vladislav_
                  The one who will be the first to create an alternative source of energy (a thermonuclear reactor, three helium will be brought from the moon, something else) will also be slippers. And the subsequent robbery will begin, lined up to gain access to this energy.

                  agree
                  Monopoly, but ... this energy should be cheaper than today - otherwise who needs it?
                  And if it’s cheaper, then I, as a consumer, just wiggle and I don’t give a damn who profits from this
                  Quote: _Vladislav_
                  And the epic with traditional energy is far from over. The Saudis will squeeze themselves like a sponge in the next 50-80 years, so look at what they will be like without oil.

                  Perhaps, but I - 100% of this I will not see, unless of course I do not live to 100
                  Quote: _Vladislav_
                  In Russia, in addition to explored and unexplored reserves, there is the prospect of energy production at the North Pole, where we are already being fully implemented. We build military bases, airfields

                  you know, 50-60 years ago in Israel, refrigerators were an iron cabinet where a block of ice was charged (which were delivered on carts every morning)
                  I can even imagine the owners of these factories who thought that their business was endless, would not come up with anything new, and they would expand so much that they would extract ice at the North Pole.
                  Only suddenly, they came up with a massive and cheap freon refrigerator.
                  Do you know the consequences?
                  First, poor horses were allowed to go under the knife, and then the owners went to look for another job.
                  Why am I doing this? And besides, that progress is not worth it and hoping for something infinite is stupid, especially when the owner of this exclusive wants to receive 3-4000% of profit.
                  Best regards hi
                  1. _Vladislav_
                    _Vladislav_ 17 December 2015 14: 01 New
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                    Quote: atalef
                    Why am I doing this? Yes to that that progress is not in place and hoping for something infinite is stupid , especially when the owner of this exclusive wants to receive 3-4000% of profit.

                    Not well, it goes without saying) Here I completely agree with you.

                    And most interestingly know what? It turns out that the engine of technological progress is war (any, cold / hot). The source of progress is military development. Which are then introduced into the civilian industry, respectively) winked

                    And most importantly, a technological breakthrough in one century of 1900-2000 is very interesting. at the beginning of the century, they waved their sabers, and then they started to develop some kind of chemical lasers, fly into space, ICBMs, RK with GOS, etc.
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                    2. atalef
                      atalef 17 December 2015 14: 07 New
                      +4
                      Quote: _Vladislav_
                      And most interestingly know what? It turns out that the engine of technological progress is war (any, cold / hot

                      Vladisla, the engine of any progress, oddly enough, is - Laziness. When a person is too lazy to work hard - he thinks about its relief
                      And of course fear.
                      fear of being killed (this is about the defense industry and defense)

                      Quote: _Vladislav_
                      Which are then introduced into the civilian industry, respectively


                      A huge number of military developments will never be applied in civilian life and the military-industrial complex will never be the (main) engine of progress and the economy.
                      The military-industrial complex is costly, not effective. this is in a huge part - the buried money.
              2. atalef
                atalef 17 December 2015 12: 09 New
                0
                Quote: andj61
                2000% - this is oil from the Gulf countries, our profit was not more than 400% - and this is without taking into account transportation to the port or to the border

                Come on, Andrew.
                I'm not saying that. that 400% is the same. but. The profit was much greater, or (based on today's prices) - Russia is already producing oil at a loss, but the price has fallen by almost 4 times.

                Quote: andj61
                And they do not produce oil, but they produce it. How much of it remains, how much the production will cost in the future - is unknown

                Like whether it will be needed in such quantities
                Quote: andj61
                We entered the Kara Sea, and there the production is three summer months. With a hundred bucks - it paid off, at current prices - it never paid off

                Yes, and why? Develop shale. its sea in Russia, and the cost of production (for the Americans - 20 bucks)
                Quote: andj61
                And fair prices are 50-70 bucks, not 40.

                No, not fair.
                This is 800% of the profit - it will be too much.
                In my opinion 25-30 bucks is the most.
                Quote: andj61
                And it will be soon, despite the US permission to export oil and the expectation of additional oil from Iran.

                Sorry, gasoline will rise in price
                Quote: andj61
                We will wait only two years three years. As soon as the Chinese economy really goes up, oil prices will rise.

                Feel good to be addicted? From China. hi
                1. andj61
                  andj61 17 December 2015 12: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  No, not fair.
                  This is 800% of the profit - it will be too much.
                  In my opinion 25-30 bucks is the most.

                  This is not 800% profit. In Tyumen, one and a half to two years ago, the production cost was somewhere around $ 30, with 2-5 in the Gulf. Now - taking into account the ruble exchange rate (with this we "compensated" for the losses, taking into account the need for a certain number of imported components - about 20. Delivery to the port or to the border - unlike the Gulf countries - also costs money. If oil falls below 30, we will sell ourselves at a loss.
                  But I can’t believe that OPEC will be able to keep production at the same level, and even with preferences for certain buyers, even more than a year. And after some time in the USA the current stocks of oil and oil products will decrease - this has happened more than once - and this will again lead to higher prices.
                  2 years ago they shouted about the era of expensive oil - and they believed it! - now they are shouting about an era of cheap. Everything in the world flows, everything changes - oil will repeatedly become cheaper and more expensive in our century.
              3. atalef
                atalef 17 December 2015 12: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: andj61
                2000% - this is oil from the Gulf countries, our profit was not more than 400% - and this is without taking into account transportation to the port or to the border

                Come on, Andrew.
                I'm not saying that. that 400% is the same. but. The profit was much greater, or (based on today's prices) - Russia is already producing oil at a loss, but the price has fallen by almost 4 times.

                Quote: andj61
                And they do not produce oil, but they produce it. How much of it remains, how much the production will cost in the future - is unknown

                Like whether it will be needed in such quantities
                Quote: andj61
                We entered the Kara Sea, and there the production is three summer months. With a hundred bucks - it paid off, at current prices - it never paid off

                Yes, and why? Develop shale. its sea in Russia, and the cost of production (for the Americans - 20 bucks)
                Quote: andj61
                And fair prices are 50-70 bucks, not 40.

                No, not fair.
                This is 800% of the profit - it will be too much.
                In my opinion 25-30 bucks is the most.
                Quote: andj61
                And it will be soon, despite the US permission to export oil and the expectation of additional oil from Iran.

                Sorry, gasoline will rise in price
                Quote: andj61
                We will wait only two years three years. As soon as the Chinese economy really goes up, oil prices will rise.

                Feel good to be addicted? From China. hi
                1. andj61
                  andj61 17 December 2015 12: 41 New
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  Feel good to be addicted? From China.

                  Not from China. and from the growth of prom. production and the general economy in the world. And there are not many locomotives of growth, except for China. hi
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 17 December 2015 09: 03 New
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          you don’t read the snot banging. you start talking about a worldwide conspiracy.

          And to the snot to whom they just didn’t beat, and the plot is a fact. I understand that a piece of desert of 150x400 km is of little interest to anyone. And one eighth of the land, with its resources, attracted fans to shoot for centuries. And about the eternal hatred of the West towards Russia-tales only for, probably, Israel ... hi For the rest, and especially for us - reality.

          I apologize for the button accordion, I wrote already, but it’s too painful in the topic of a conspiracy against Russia
          ..Two cows are talking. One another:
          - Listen, I have a suspicion that these, on two legs, feed us to steal our milk, and then kill and eat us.
          The second answers:
          - Yes, you tie up with your theory of conspiracy - all the flock is laughing at you already.
          1. Down House
            Down House 17 December 2015 11: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Yes, you tie up with your theory of conspiracy - all the flock is laughing at you already

            Paranoia is not paranoia - but without two-legged cows this cow will die IMMEDIATELY and you won't even have to steal milk or cut it for meat laughing
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 17 December 2015 11: 49 New
            +1
            for Zoldat_A:
            "... on the subject of a conspiracy against Russia" ///

            In Greece, when the economic crisis erupted there, theories immediately appeared
            conspiracy "world government" against Greece. (Before that, everything was tip-top).
            The same thing in Argentina, Brazil - as long as things are going well, there are no conspiracies. As soon as the collapse is a conspiracy.
            The most convenient thing for the authorities of ANY country that brought it to a crisis is to launch through the media in
            people the theory of an external conspiracy. This has been done for hundreds of years. The idea does not die now hi .
        3. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 17 December 2015 09: 36 New
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          Do not be naive, all of your energy-saving technologies are instantly blocked by a single tap in Saudi Arabia. The current oil market has little to do with supply and demand, oil is a political issue and it is not the consumer who decides this issue.
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 17 December 2015 10: 08 New
            0
            Quote: Nikolai K
            all your energy-saving technologies are instantly blocked by a single tap in saudi arabia.

            And the Netherlands exported energy from wind turbines, the surplus for it is formed or "... In 2014, wind farms in China generated 138 TWh of electricity, or 2.6% of the total generation.

            According to the 13th five-year plan (2016-2020), China is going to introduce another 100 GW of wind power [3]. "
            1. Nikolay K
              Nikolay K 17 December 2015 10: 59 New
              0
              Congratulations to the Dutch and Chinese. But once again, the price of oil is set by politicians, not by demand and supply, especially since all renewable energy sources, except for hydroelectric power plants, give a couple of percent of global energy consumption, while we or the Saudis control more than 10% of the global oil market.
          2. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 12: 21 New
            0
            Quote: Nikolai K
            Do not be naive, all your energy-saving technologies are instantly blocked by a single tap in Saudi Arabia

            Russia and the USA. they produce oil no less than Saudi Arabia.
            There are alternatives
            Quote: Nikolai K
            The current oil market has little to do with supply and demand.

            Well yes
            as you look at the amount of oil produced by years and consumption, you ask.
            If there is no connection, then where did all this extracted oil go before? Back uploaded?
            1. andj61
              andj61 17 December 2015 12: 43 New
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              Quote: atalef
              The current oil market has little to do with supply and demand.
              Well yes
              as you look at the amount of oil produced by years and consumption, you ask.
              If there is no connection, then where did all this extracted oil go before? Back uploaded?

              That's it - the connection is direct! Now the crisis - the price has fallen. Although, of course, there are many factors that matter.
              The economy will begin to grow - and the price of oil will inevitably rise. hi
              1. atalef
                atalef 17 December 2015 12: 49 New
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                Quote: andj61
                That's it - the connection is direct! Now the crisis - the price has fallen.

                overproduction - of course

                Quote: andj61
                The economy will begin to grow - and the price of oil will inevitably rise

                looking at the level of production.
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        4. Down House
          Down House 17 December 2015 11: 29 New
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          Quote: atalef
          You and OPEC - living on the hopelessness of the customers decided not just to fatten at our expense. you decide to rip off the last pants.

          Let's say. But so what ?! Either buy or ride wood - this is business and nothing personal! fellow
          1. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 13: 05 New
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            Quote: Down House
            Let's say. But so what ?! Either buy or ride wood - this is business and nothing personal

            Sell ​​for cheap or drink instead of cola, business, nothing personal.
            Strange people here. look at oil. like something divorced from the consumer.
            Here is an example. You have bread on the street, one store. then another one was added one more.
            - while the sellers agreed on a price
            While buyers had money and the price was fine everything was ok.
            But then all of a sudden sellers began to raise prices, the people suffered. endured. until he switched to homemade pies, well, and then a couple of programs passed, that eating bread is harmful at all - is the result?
            Demand has fallen. sellers reaction?
            Either slurp by the summit or reset the price.
            capitalism
            1. tokens2
              tokens2 17 December 2015 13: 35 New
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              atalef
              Here is an example. You have bread on the street, one store. then another one was added one more.
              - while the sellers agreed on a price

              people endured. endured. until I switched to homemade pies

              And where will the people go? To bake a cake?
              Yes, to the same store. Or to the neighboring one, where the owner of the son-baker.
              Capitalism today is an illusion of choice.
              Now, if consumers unite ... and they say. Well, okay. Enough. But would we buy something together without this peering into the eyes of the cashier and the seller.
              But why then will shops be needed?
              That's true ... why can't a car owner buy fuel for a year, say. Using an exchange instrument?
              Why can’t you buy heating, gas not on a rent. And bypassing the housing and communal services? Housing and utilities is just a supplier.
              So a person has no absolute right to choose.
              Under the state of capitalism today.
              1. Down House
                Down House 17 December 2015 15: 29 New
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                Quote: Lexi2
                Now, if consumers unite ... and they say. Well, okay. Enough. But would we buy something together without this peering into the eyes of the cashier and the seller.
                But why then will shops be needed?

                They just don't agree, there is a certain "critical mass" of the number of people in society, exceeding which the society WITHOUT INTERMEDIARIES (which in this example are the owners of stores) instantly disintegrates - almost like in physics fellow
            2. Down House
              Down House 17 December 2015 15: 27 New
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              Quote: atalef
              Sell ​​for cheap

              Well, we won’t sell it at all, walk around for a year and sit without electricity - buy more and more!
              In general, it seems to me that a year in the Stone Age will be a sufficient explanation for the fact that the producer of the goods has the full right to sell this very product at the price at which this very producer of the goods wants to sell it!
              Quote: atalef
              Demand has fallen. sellers reaction?

              In the long run, the demand for non-energy resources will not fall anywhere; with population and consumption growth, it will only grow.
              1. atalef
                atalef 17 December 2015 19: 34 New
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                Quote: Down House
                Well, we won’t sell it at all, walk around for a year and sit without electricity - buy more and more!

                Others will sell.
                Quote: Down House
                In general, it seems to me that a year in the Stone Age will be a sufficient explanation for the fact that the producer of the goods has the full right to sell this very product at the price at which this very producer of the goods wants to sell it!

                Well, sell for 150.
                Quote: Down House
                In the long run, the demand for non-energy resources will not fall anywhere; with population and consumption growth, it will only grow.

                I have already heard these mantras. and about that. that the world economy at 80 bucks a barrel will collapse
                Putin: The global economy will collapse at an oil price of $ 80 per barrel
                17 October 2014, 20: 40
                The world economy will collapse if the price of oil drops to $ 80 per barrel, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.
                According to the president, shale oil projects in the United States are cost-effective with an oil price of $ 80. “If world prices keep at $ 80, then all production will collapse, the main oil producing countries also have a budget of $ 80 with a little, under $ 90 per barrel ... there are adjustments, they are related to objective circumstances,” Putin said.
                1. Down House
                  Down House 17 December 2015 20: 58 New
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                  Quote: atalef
                  Others will sell.

                  Others do not extract so much.
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, sell for 150.

                  Political Will will be - and we will sell for 300 wassat
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 17 December 2015 21: 02 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Down House
                    others do not extract so much

                    Do you want to try
                    Quote: Down House
                    Political Will will be - and we will sell for 300

                    Something with the will is not right.
        5. Koshel2901
          Koshel2901 17 December 2015 12: 13 New
          -1
          That got out of the Israeli!
          1. andj61
            andj61 17 December 2015 12: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: Koshel2901
            That got out of the Israeli!

            But he simply formulated a pessimistic forecast for us - and nothing more! I would like to hope that the realities will be more favorable for us. We still can’t build the well-being of the people and the country solely on eating up natural resources. Israel is a great example. With the help of brains, to build - albeit with the help of the diaspora - an effective economy with practically no mineral resources until very recently - this is worth learning.
        6. twviewer
          twviewer 17 December 2015 14: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Conspiracy?

          I’ll just remind you how much an Intel processor costs when it enters the 500 market? But is it already leaving the market for $ 70-80? you are very selectively wrapped about robbery.
          By the way, look at the cost of products (consumers of "expensive" oil) made of polymers: when the cost of oil fell, the price of products did not change at all fellow
          1. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 14: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: twviewer
            I’ll just remind you how much an Intel processor costs when it enters the 500 market? But is it already leaving the market for $ 70-80?

            I already wrote about this - thieves here and there.
            Quote: twviewer
            By the way, look at the cost of products (consumers of "expensive" oil) made of polymers: when the cost of oil fell, the price of products did not change at all

            I don’t know, give an example, but I will check.
            1. twviewer
              twviewer 17 December 2015 14: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              I don’t know, give an example, but I will check.

              there is nothing to check - for example, a "branded" case for a smartphone.
              1. atalef
                atalef 17 December 2015 14: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: twviewer
                Quote: atalef
                I don’t know, give an example, but I will check.

                there is nothing to check - for example, a "branded" case for a smartphone.

                A cool example that perfectly describes the sale price of tons of polyethylene in granules.
                Would you still bring the price of gasoline in Russia and on this basis would begin to convince that oil in the world rises in price
                At the beginning of the month, suppliers of polyethylene tried to keep prices on the polymer by increasing stocks. But demand for PE remained weak throughout the month, and already in the third week active sales of polymer stocks began, which caused another price drop. Demand in the polyethylene market remained weak; processors make purchases only when necessary. Most of them are sure that prices will continue to fall.

                In such adverse conditions, manufacturers prefer to reduce production capacity or to stop plants for repair. Thus, the Taiwanese company Formosa Plastics has reduced its capacity for the production of polyethylene by 50-60%.

                Analysts predict a further decline in prices, as no positive changes are expected in the polyethylene market. Mike Burns, director of Polyethylene at Resin Technology, Inc., Texas, would not be surprised if polymer prices fall another $ 400 per ton. “Processors prefer to make purchases for a short period, because no one knows what the economic situation will be tomorrow. Also, high loan rates reduce the ability of buyers to take large volumes of material. The low cost of ethylene, which is now the lowest in the last two years, also contributes to lower prices for polyethylene, ”he says.

                In the polypropylene market, as well as the polyethylene market, moods for decline prevailed in October. At the beginning of the month, trading activity was low, the price of polymer fell on average by $ 50 per ton. But by the middle of the month, activity in the PP market increased. This was facilitated by falling prices and increasing supply volumes. Compared with the July maximum, the price of polymer fell $ 600 per ton
                1. twviewer
                  twviewer 17 December 2015 15: 07 New
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                  Quote: atalef

                  A cool example that perfectly describes the sale price of tons of polyethylene in granules.

                  second, we are talking about the price of the final product, you only confirm that the price of polymers has fallen
                  How did prices for Magpul stocks fall, for example? e.g. https://www.magpul.com/products/acs-carbine-stock-mil-spec
                  didn’t fall in any way - what am I telling you
                  Or maybe you noticed a sharp drop in the price of engine oil?
                  1. the villain
                    the villain 17 December 2015 20: 25 New
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                    Quote: twviewer
                    How did prices for Magpul stocks fall, for example? eg

                    Do not poison the soul recourse
                2. andj61
                  andj61 17 December 2015 15: 38 New
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                  Quote: atalef
                  Would you still bring the price of gasoline in Russia and on this basis would begin to convince that oil in the world rises in price

                  Alexander, you will not believe it - last week refueling with 92nd gasoline at 33-69 per liter, and this one already - 33-09! so oil is getting cheaper, it's getting cheaper! bully drinks Filled 50 liters - and saved almost a liter of gasoline - 30 rubles. A trifle - but nice!
                  In general, as we say, gasoline usually rises in price in Russia in three cases:
                  1. The price of oil is rising - well, it’s clear here, and so it is throughout the world.
                  2. The price of oil is falling - this is to allow the oligarchs to compensate for losses in the world market.
                  3. The price of oil does not change - this is so that consumers do not lose fear.
                  And the price of gasoline falls only in one case: if Putin shouts at the oil and gas oligarchs, or at least shame them. Something I missed this moment ... request Or maybe our market has earned and therefore gasoline has fallen in price? wassat
          2. atalef
            atalef 17 December 2015 14: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: twviewer
            I’ll just remind you how much an Intel processor costs when it enters the 500 market? But is it already leaving the market for $ 70-80?

            I already wrote about this - thieves here and there.
            Quote: twviewer
            By the way, look at the cost of products (consumers of "expensive" oil) made of polymers: when the cost of oil fell, the price of products did not change at all

            I don’t know, give an example, but I will check.
      3. Lexa-149
        Lexa-149 17 December 2015 14: 25 New
        +2
        There is such a joke in the subject.
        Captured by the Nazis, Russian, American and French. They led their adversaries to be shot. They ask the Frenchman for their last wish.
        - A glass of brandy!
        Dali. Drank. Shot.
        They put the American against the wall and also ask the last wish.
        - Glass of whiskey and smoke a cigar!
        Dali. Drank. Vykuril. Shot.
        They put the Russian against the wall and ask his last wish.
        -You guys-speaks Russian-put me cancer and with all his might kick forged boot!
        The fascists were surprised, but the last desire is the law. They delivered, they chose the biggest fascist in boots of the 45th size. He ran away and kaaaaa ak will kick the Russian ...
        Russian straightened up and give left and right to the Nazis mercilessly lyuley to distribute. All interrupted. He stopped, lit a trophy cigarette. One barely alive fascist asks:
        -Russian, if you are so strong, why didn’t you all of us immediately pump ?!
        -Yes, we Russians are people like this: until you kick us, we won’t do anything!
      4. Garris199
        Garris199 17 December 2015 18: 56 New
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        Smash saudi oil rigs to hell. Either by yourself or arming the Hussites at most do not spoil.
      5. would
        would 18 December 2015 03: 01 New
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        They say oil in the form of packaging bags


        It’s even scary to imagine how much oil costs in the form of modern thermal fabrics. And selling them is clearly simpler than ordinary packaging bags, the competition is completely different.
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 17 December 2015 07: 10 New
      +7
      Quote: Kurdalagon
      And it’s somehow sad that some camel drivers can influence the well-being of our country.

      First, the Saudis are no longer camel drivers, but Bentley and Maseratti drivers. smile
      Second, their current attempts to "live at a lower price" for oil have already led to the introduction of VAT inside the country, which is very much disliked by the citizens of the KSA. This is like a marker - the state is seeking funds to replenish the budget, the export earnings of which are 90% dependent on oil. This is not to mention the active sale of gold reserves this and last year (fell to the level of 2008 and continue to fall)
      And finally, thirdly - if we compare the share of hydrocarbon exports in GDP, we see that for KSA it is 48%, for Russia - 9%.
      So who suffers more?
      Oh yes, trade in "crude oil and gas" is not 70% of the Russian Federation's exports, but 54% (which is also quite a lot, but still ..). True, plus another 9% of oil products, but this does not apply to raw materials.
      Somehow hi
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 17 December 2015 07: 58 New
        +1
        when Putin backtracks. Will he go?

        I really hope not.
        1. alexej123
          alexej123 17 December 2015 10: 37 New
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          Well, thinking it is wrong to say "Putin" here, here are the interests of not one person or group of persons, here are the interests of the people. For those who think RUSSIANS will back down http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-J5Vg0SxLc
      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 17 December 2015 09: 01 New
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        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Second, their current attempts to "live at a lower price" for oil have already led to the introduction of VAT inside the country, which is very much disliked by the citizens of the KSA.

        Well, all sorts of fantasies like towers a kilometer high must be realized
        1. andj61
          andj61 17 December 2015 12: 49 New
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          Quote: sa-ag
          Well, all sorts of fantasies like towers a kilometer high must be realized

          Towers are in the UAE, not in KSA.
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 17 December 2015 15: 26 New
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            Quote: andj61
            Towers are in the UAE, not in KSA.

            Well, the mentality is similar, this is when a lot of money you want to do something that no one
    3. Skif83
      Skif83 17 December 2015 09: 20 New
      +2
      Rather, due to the fact that the largest and richest country in the world is kicked into the category of developing countries.
      It is sad from raw material dependence, from the stupid government to which some sing praises.
      What has been significant tweeted by the government over the past 15 years?
      Under Stalin, the country was rebuilt twice after devastating wars in a shorter time. The USSR was the first to cancel the standardized distribution of food products from the warring European countries in 1947, for example, Great Britain in 1953, Japan in 1952, and the Czech Republic in 1953.
      Those. Stalinist managers knew how to work and knew how to manage! And were not tied to an oil needle!
      This is what Khrushchev did, overthrowing the IVS, and he removed the industrialists and managers whom Stalin fostered; those. people affairs, and the power again transferred the Communist Party, in which, over time, there were only talkers. Remember who went to the Komsomol and party bodies in the 60-80s (I do not in any way detract from the merits of ordinary communists and Komsomol members), those who did not want to work.
      Everything is repeated, if only these days have not turned into a farce.
      The Government needs people of business, not Gaidar's feeding. In any case, they should be managed not by the janitors, who have not worked anywhere for a day, but know how to reassign budget funds.
      In short, nothing will change until the so-called. "Elita" is essentially anti-people, their task is to keep the country dependent on raw materials!
      1. Down House
        Down House 17 December 2015 11: 41 New
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        Quote: Skif83
        Under Stalin, the country was rebuilt twice after devastating wars in a shorter time.

        Under Stalin, builders lived in barracks and worked "like the Volga River" seven days a week and 24 hours a day.
        And now, "for the last 15", every second person has a loan "iPhone-car-apartment", and you don't have enough, all of you are complaining about something.
        Quote: Skif83
        while the so-called "Elita" is essentially anti-national,

        To begin with, you would ask what the "elite" is and why it cannot be "popular" and why does the state need an "elite" fellow
        Quote: Skif83
        their task is to keep the country in raw material dependence!

        Well, the ruble has fallen, the Russian economy has become more competitive - part of the domestic products produced in the Russian Federation went for export - so why are you complaining again now ?! fellow
    4. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 17 December 2015 09: 22 New
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      Why sit and endure. Once the oil market has become political, then you need to act at the state level. In the event of a further reduction in prices, for example below 30 dollars, it is necessary to completely stop oil shipments from Russia. Believe me, we won’t lose much from this, because immediately there will be a deficit and prices will quickly go up. Well, in order to recapture losses from downtime, you can invest money, including state reserves, in the purchase of oil futures, when it will be at a minimum and even in physical reserves in other countries. As a result, we will not stay in the loser and we will not drain oil for nothing. If necessary, such an operation can be performed repeatedly. Until the world understands that if the price of oil falls below the levels that suit RUSSIA, there will be a shortage of oil in the market.
      1. tokens2
        tokens2 17 December 2015 09: 37 New
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        Nikolay K
        In the event of a further reduction in prices, for example below $ 30, it is necessary to completely stop oil shipments from Russia.

        Well, reserve oil reserves will be printed. Gas will go from the reserve storage.
        Well, in order to recapture losses from downtime, you can invest money, including state reserves, in the purchase of oil futures, when it will be at a minimum

        Are you sure that these speculations will recapture a significant share of the budget? Exposed claims of Western Europe will outlaw everything connected with Russia. In fact, this is a full-fledged war. Where even a random Russian tourist will be held hostage.
        1. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 17 December 2015 09: 54 New
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          Printed vaults will not last long. Now, along with the Saudis, Russia is the largest oil exporter. In addition, for any oil trader, a decrease in stocks is a signal for rising prices, which is exactly what we need.
          I do not propose refusing gas supplies, but only oil, where we do not have long-term contracts and there are no penalties.
          Regarding futures, there is the so-called leverage effect, this is when you pay 10 dollars to buy a contract for 100 dollars. If you will definitely know that prices will rise, then you can safely invest money. I am sure that the Americans are also doing it, playing down, only operations are carried out through the court of the State Department funds, such as Soros.
          1. tokens2
            tokens2 17 December 2015 10: 16 New
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            Printed vaults won't last long

            Will the state reserve of the Russian Federation last for long?
            After all, trucks on the roads you will no longer see. From Europe tokens. The situation with "Plato" will seem just innocent fun.
            Regarding futures, there is the so-called leverage effect when you pay $ 10 to buy a contract for $ 100.

            For short-term futures, forget it. Everything will fly down. And for a long time.
            If you will definitely know that prices will rise, then you can safely invest money.

            Sorry, we can safely assume that you will become bankrupt laughing quarrel Alexey, not YOU personally.
            The time frame can be very long. Futures is always leveraged.
            Between large countries the possibility of speculation is minimal. Everything is insured. From A to Z.
            1. Down House
              Down House 17 December 2015 11: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Lexi2
              After all, you won’t see trucks on the roads anymore. From Europe for sure.

              And thank God - everyone will go by train - it will only get better on the roads fellow
              Quote: Lexi2
              Will the state reserve of the Russian Federation last for long?

              1. Enough.
              2. In general, the share of "oil" exports is insignificant in the structure of Russia's GDP.
              3. In general, a weak ruble is profitable for the Russian economy.
            2. andj61
              andj61 17 December 2015 12: 59 New
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              Quote: Lexi2
              After all, trucks on the roads you will no longer see. From Europe tokens. The situation with "Plato" will seem just innocent fun.

              For this year, the number of consignments from Europe decreased by 12%, over the past - by 8%. What do you call the absence of trucks from Europe?
              And all this under the conditions of sanctions! Here, and without sanctions, only because of one drop in the ruble exchange rate due to the cheapening of oil, much more could have been expected. In 2008, due to the crisis, only in the last 5 months of the year (before that there was a slight increase) the drop in traffic for the year amounted to more than 15%.
              But Plato is generally trifles. The main negative in it is that the commercial structure is engaged in this, and not the state. And the protests are actually against removing a significant part of road transport from the shadows to the light.
              Calculate the arithmetic of the rise in price, for example, of oranges when delivering 20 tons from the port of St. Petersburg to Moscow. (700km x 1,53): 20 = 000. This is 0,0535 pennies per kilogram. Since March - less than 5,35 kopecks. Do you seriously think that the buyer can feel the difference? The left hind leg and the desire of the owners of the networks means here hundreds of times more!
      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 17 December 2015 09: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Nikolai K
        it is necessary to completely stop oil shipments from Russia.

        Firstly, this is the voluntary release of a niche in the market, oil will immediately jump up, and others will take this place, they will have a cash flow from it, then fines for non-compliance with contracts, loss of business reputation, I’m not talking about problems with wells
        1. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 17 December 2015 11: 07 New
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          Oil is a commodity, price competition, we sell today, Saudis tomorrow, we are the day after tomorrow, the cost of returning the market is minimal. But EVERYONE will know that oil will not be sold below a price threshold, otherwise these Russians will stop selling oil again and prices will rise. In fact, the role of determining world prices will pass from custody to us. You understand that there is no objective oil price, there are only market expectations and manipulations of major players. That's all and should expect that below, for example. 70 dol the price will not go down
          1. tokens2
            tokens2 17 December 2015 11: 36 New
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            But EVERYONE will know that oil will not be sold below a price threshold, otherwise these Russians will stop selling oil again and prices will rise.

            Are there any storages in the Russian Federation? In cases of price fluctuations?
            For Europe, oil and gas is not from Russia idea No. 1. And they are going to solve this problem through the war on the BV.
            That's all and should expect that below, for example. 70 dollars the price does not fall

            Russia will not be able to influence this. It is quite possible to slow down the process of "reorientation" of its Western partners.
            Don't forget cheap oil is unprofitable in the first place for the West, and it is extremely "interesting" for China.
            So substituting with low prices ... is very expensive and very long.
            Losing a reputation due to fluctuations in the exchange of goods, Russia is not reasonable.
      3. atalef
        atalef 17 December 2015 12: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Nikolai K
        Why sit and endure. Once the oil market has become political, then you need to act at the state level. In the event of a further reduction in prices, for example below $ 30, it is necessary to completely stop oil shipments from Russia

        Gut
        Iran with Saudi Arabia (neither Venezuela _ and the US shale will quickly corrupt a niche
        Quote: Nikolai K
        Believe me, we won’t lose much from this, because immediately there will be a deficit and prices will quickly go up

        I am . me, naturlih

        Quote: Nikolai K
        Well, in order to recapture losses from downtime, you can invest money, including state reserves, in the purchase of oil futures, when it will be at a minimum and even in physical reserves in other countries.

        and do it secretly so that no one would know laughing
        Especially on exchanges
        Quote: Nikolai K
        . If necessary, such an operation can be performed repeatedly. Until the world understands that if the price of oil falls below the levels that suit RUSSIA, there will be a shortage of oil in the market

        But I don’t know whom to call a sucker, whether the world, or you (I apologize)?
    5. meriem1
      meriem1 17 December 2015 09: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Kurdalagon
      Be patient. You look and weep from an oil needle. And it’s somehow sad that some camel drivers can influence the well-being of our country.

      Will have to endure. But only the dependence of GDP on hydrocarbons decreased from 47 to 21% !!!! But even so, the colossal amount flies out of the budget!
    6. Vikings
      Vikings 17 December 2015 10: 54 New
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      You do not need to have 7 spans in your forehead to guess about further
      US actions in relation to RUSSIA. In terms of pedaling
      pain points of our budget. At one time, Americans
      relying on the support of the Gulf Monarchies of the Gulf.
      USSR, in the 80-90 years of the last century.
      We have witnessed the greatest tragedy of the century!
      UTB would not be repeated, you need to go from words to real de-
      Llamas for the improvement and competitive ability of our with you
      Economics and Industry !!
    7. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 11: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Kurdalagon
      And it’s somehow sad that some camel drivers can influence the well-being of our country.

      Yes, they do not affect anything, especially since they initially do not affect the price of oil.
      And the well-being of the country did not suffer, the purchasing power of citizens has become less - a fact, but the country's economy is only a plus.
    8. sssla
      sssla 17 December 2015 12: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Kurdalagon
      You look and weep from the oil needle

      You look, and in the mattress OH-I disaster will happen, or something else will happen there)) It's not evening yet !!
    9. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 18 December 2015 13: 41 New
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      As long as the economic bloc in the Russian government is headed by ignoramuses
      and mediocrity from the oil needle we do not get down.
    10. iouris
      iouris 18 December 2015 17: 25 New
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      Getting off the "needle" is a necessary task. But for this, everything must be changed. The alternative is to "lick", degassing until the half-life begins. From this moment they will begin to "help".
  2. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 17 December 2015 06: 19 New
    +6
    Another example of the inconsistency of our politicians, the priorities change every minute, they are friends with just about anyone (with Saudis for example) ... Deja Vu somehow .. It was during the Soviet Union .. While the money was salivating, the Arabs were friends (although knowledgeable people say, have a friend Arab ... and the enemy is not necessary).
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 17 December 2015 06: 20 New
    +7
    If you need to crush a strategic adversary, you can play an economic card by conspiring with regional allies.


    Now the time is right when our economy and the spirit of our people will be tested for strength.
    I am calm for the people, but the liberal economy of MEDVEDEVA .... is of great concern.
    It is obvious that the liberals will begin to load ordinary citizens by adding various taxes, payments, and monthly fees.
    The whole burden of fraud in the Medvedev government will fall on our shoulders.



    Russian monthly electricity bills can grow by 20-100 rubles. The Ministry of Energy proposes to introduce the so-called subscription fee for using electricity networks.


    What is .... am senior managers of these offices apparently no longer have gold parachutes.

    And this is only the beginning .. ahead of these tricks in other areas of our lives .... I'm in shock.
    1. GUKTU
      GUKTU 17 December 2015 07: 38 New
      +1
      I support your opinion http://ok.ru/dk?cmd=logExternal&st._aid=Conversations_Openlink&st.name=externalL
      inkRedirect&st.link=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.rambler.ru%2Fhead%2F32233684%2F
    2. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 11: 45 New
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I am calm for the people, but the liberal economy is Medvedev

      But personally, my opinion is completely opposite to yours laughing
  4. Sartorius
    Sartorius 17 December 2015 06: 20 New
    -3
    The dialogue on the photo.
    Kerry (nervously fidgeting in his chair): "Imagine, Putin promised to put bracelets on me at my next visit to the Russian Federation."
    McCain (half-blindly squinting): "Girl with a headscarf, what are you doing tonight."
    1. Sartorius
      Sartorius 17 December 2015 06: 41 New
      0
      belay It turns out McCain visits the site.
  5. avvg
    avvg 17 December 2015 06: 21 New
    +1
    Washington and the Sheikhs of the Gulf cannot understand that under no circumstances will the Russians give up!
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 17 December 2015 10: 08 New
      +1
      Exactly.
      Well, I began to live worse, so what? I do not care.
      As Batalov once said - "we will cut potatoes smaller"
  6. Name
    Name 17 December 2015 06: 22 New
    +1
    Well, it seems that Russia could not be made more "agreeable" and Kerry in Moscow ... VVP simply did not meet with him "face to face." And Kerry left with a gift from Lavrov - Santa Claus.

    "Lavrov himself said after the negotiations that he gave the Secretary of State Santa Claus from the tree. “He came to us for negotiations, there was a tree in the mansion, he immediately ran up to Santa Claus, who was hanging, began to twirl it”, - said Lavrov. "
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 17 December 2015 06: 23 New
    +2
    They themselves will survive an indefinite short period, but the Russians will not.... In my opinion, excessive self-confidence ..
  8. apro
    apro 17 December 2015 06: 29 New
    +1
    And who would doubt the collusion with the aim of destabilizing the economies of unwanted countries, market damn pricing like a bazaar under a serious roof. Russia does not get off the oil needle simply because there is nothing to drag a serious industry nationally or completely with foreign participation or not controlled ours. The Americans will not be able to play these games for a long time, they need to print dollars for something, the higher the price of oil, the greater the demand for dollars.
  9. Amurets
    Amurets 17 December 2015 06: 33 New
    -5
    I think it’s time to miss because of the failure of the guidance head and getting into the oil fields of the Saudis. Nothing terrible will happen. The Americans bomb the hospitals with excavators, but then the guidance head refused. Well, it happens. The Americans put up to 10% for failure. Well, we will apologize later.
    1. Sartorius
      Sartorius 17 December 2015 06: 38 New
      -4
      What for apologize? Say this is not our rocket, but coalitions. Ours then all exactly hit the target.
  10. BLOND
    BLOND 17 December 2015 06: 35 New
    +2
    What does not kill us makes you stronger!
    1. Rroman
      Rroman 17 December 2015 11: 02 New
      0
      Or kill, but later. )
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 December 2015 06: 51 New
    +2
    And we will answer asymmetrically. We will begin to increase exports to other areas.
    Weapons, agricultural products, atomprom ...
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 17 December 2015 07: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Zomanus
      We will begin to increase exports to other areas.
      Weapons, agricultural products, atomprom ...

      yeah, right. There are no competitors. Especially regarding agricultural.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 17 December 2015 10: 10 New
        +1
        We have a desaturated DOMESTIC market.
        Try to sell the same Belarusian potatoes in France. Let's see how it turns out.
        1. Down House
          Down House 17 December 2015 11: 48 New
          0
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          We have a desaturated DOMESTIC market.

          It's nice that there are people here who correctly see the PROSPECTS of the current "crisis" - otherwise there are only complainers hi
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 17 December 2015 11: 59 New
            +2
            PROSPECTS of today's "crisis" - otherwise there are only complainers


            Yeah ... I can clearly see the prospects for such crises in the local cemetery ..... these prospects go beyond the horizon.
            1. Down House
              Down House 17 December 2015 12: 33 New
              0
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              I can clearly see the prospects for such crises at the local cemetery

              Yes, a person died from the fact that d 2015 instead of x-trail bought Qashqai - life is pain laughing
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 17 December 2015 18: 17 New
                0
                Yes, a person died from the fact that d 2015 bought Qashqai instead of x-trail - life is a pain laughing

                Rather, I could not pay for the expensive treatment ... the medicine and the care of doctors cost a lot of money.
                1. Down House
                  Down House 17 December 2015 20: 59 New
                  0
                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  Rather, I could not pay for the expensive treatment ... the medicine and the care of doctors cost a lot of money.

                  Well then, it's more likely about the United States - they have tens of millions there without medical insurance and they won't even sell "aspirin" without the permission of a paid doctor fellow
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 17 December 2015 21: 04 New
                    0
                    Quote: Down House
                    they have tens of millions there without medical insurance and I won't even sell them "aspirin" without the permission of a paid doctor

                    Life saving - is included in the basic insurance and it is provided with everything
                    Aspirin - sold over the counter.
                    In general, there are hospitals for the poor and if there is no insurance at all, however, they will not be allowed to die on the street.
                    1. Down House
                      Down House 17 December 2015 23: 36 New
                      -1
                      Quote: atalef
                      Life saving - is included in the basic insurance and it is provided with everything

                      Yeah, in what states? In sunny hawks?
                      Quote: atalef
                      Aspirin - sold over the counter.

                      God bless him, I deliberately put "aspirin" in quotes.
                      Quote: atalef
                      Generally there are hospitals for the poor and if there is no insurance at all

                      Yeah, there you negro rip a tooth pliers laughing
  12. spolo
    spolo 17 December 2015 07: 10 New
    +4
    You do not understand the global essence of things. Thanks to sanctions, at least something began to develop. Sitting on the fucking oil you won’t start any production. Hard - yes. To develop, compete, fight for markets, arrange war in banana republics by shoving their weapons - in general, do everything that normal civilized countries do.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 17 December 2015 08: 35 New
      0
      Quote: spolo
      You do not understand the global essence of things. Thanks to sanctions, at least something began to develop.

      well, it looks like you understand something. Only "something" is too "global". Narrow down at least to specific examples - what and where. I do not mean, of course, that there are no such examples, it's just that the habit of being vague, "sometimes we have someone here and there," has already gotten a little. Are there any import substitution victories already?
    2. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 17 December 2015 09: 40 New
      +3
      Hooray, we started to develop. Let’s then reduce the salary of percent on 30, consolidate the success. So what?
    3. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 17 December 2015 10: 11 New
      0
      There would be no oil would sit ... I will not say where.
      Our oil is scolded only by enemies.
    4. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 11: 51 New
      0
      Quote: spolo
      You do not understand the global essence of things.

      That you do not understand, dear hi
      There was oil and sausage - complained that we produce little nails.
      There are opportunities for profitable nail production - they complain that sausage has become more expensive.
      I do not think there is a chance for them to explain in large quantities that they want to sit on a chair and anti-chair at the same time.
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 December 2015 07: 10 New
    +3
    when Putin backtracks. Will he go?

    Of course not. To hand back means to bury everything that we managed to do during this time. You just have to tighten your belts again and wait for improvement. At the same time, the economy and the army should be a priority.
  14. Yurmix
    Yurmix 17 December 2015 07: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: spolo
    You just have to tighten your belts again and wait for improvement

    Not the first time, of course, to tighten, but what will happen to our neck?
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    It is obvious that the liberals will begin to load ordinary citizens by adding various taxes, payments, and monthly fees.
    The whole burden of fraud in the Medvedev government will fall on our shoulders.

    Here is the main answer. Belolentochniki is a system of the collapse of the country from the inside, not ordinary citizens, but high-ranking officials having control over the levers of the economy. Well-known truth has nothing to expect from them, and everyone understands Who is who, but how to get rid of this evil is a difficult question.
    1. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 11: 57 New
      0
      Quote: YURMIX
      Belolentochniki is a system of the collapse of the country from the inside, not ordinary citizens, but high-ranking officials having control over the levers of the economy.

      Blah-blah-blah with gypsy, then of course you know better - but something tells me that the main "belolentochniki" just write "all over the place" from the gypsies, but clearly do not sit in the government.
    2. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 17 December 2015 12: 26 New
      0
      Quote: YURMIX
      Here is the main answer

      Which one? What government will go for unpopular fiscal measures? Well, so share the recipe for prosperity, listen.
      Quote: YURMIX
      Belolentochniki is a system of the collapse of the country from the inside

      thank you for this, Cap. Cove obvious things - a fairly common lesson in the VO.
  15. midivan
    midivan 17 December 2015 07: 33 New
    +6
    If you need to crush a strategic adversary, you can play an economic card by conspiring with regional allies. So, for example, you can defeat Russia with its weak commodity economy, as well as Iran: with active laughing And do not tell me how much Iran was under the embargo ??? about 20 years like? since I was there I dare to note that no one died there, they don’t swell from hunger, the fuel costs a penny, they don’t have iPhones crying
  16. Mera joota
    Mera joota 17 December 2015 07: 39 New
    +3
    In short, there is a “side effect” from the collusion of the United States and Saudi Arabia: a drop in oil prices will lead to the bursting of a “shale bubble,” the author believes.

    Oh, this notorious bubble ... How many times has it been slapped? Probably from the very first news about shale oil production technology that they just didn’t write ... Moreover, this nonsense is repeated every time without noticing that there are no prerequisites for this.
    Oil collusion against Russians

    And who is sorry to blame for the fact that the Russian economy is directly dependent on the cost of oil? Is Obama to blame? World Zionism or IG?
    1. Down House
      Down House 17 December 2015 11: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Mera Joota
      And who is sorry to blame for the fact that the Russian economy is directly dependent on the cost of oil?

      Not the economy - but the value of the ruble - but on the contrary, the cheap ruble is profitable for the economy.
      1. S_last
        S_last 17 December 2015 17: 00 New
        0
        profitable for the economy, but for you personally?
        otherwise everyone worries about global
  17. yegor_k
    yegor_k 17 December 2015 07: 47 New
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    This is cheaper gasoline and lower family expenses.


    Maybe it will get cheaper for you, it will definitely go up in price with us. And the rest is right ... We had enough time for the qualitative development of new technologies and alternative energy.
  18. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 December 2015 07: 48 New
    +2
    I don’t remember who among our economists said that with an oil price of $ 100 in Russia there is no need to produce anything at all. It's easier to buy - goods, food, and cars ... In short, the "goldfish" effect. And when the fish dies or runs away - a complete attack. Therefore, IMHO, we need to pray for sanctions, especially coupled with the fall in oil and gas prices. I had to get off the stove, and "at the behest of the pike" also ended. And it is right!
    It is clear that not everyone likes it, someone is trying to maintain the level of income, "despite". But it won't last long.
    1. Azitral
      Azitral 17 December 2015 09: 18 New
      +2
      There is a not very common concept: "main product". Some kind of special competitive advantage of a country or people. It's easier to give examples: KSA is oil, China of the 80s is a cheap and diligent labor force. Etc. So for us, the "main product" is not hydrocarbons. They are in so far as, because others have them, with easier prey.
      Raising the level of an organization is gaining the ability to transform into a resource what was not a resource before. How termites learned to eat wood. What are many in Russia? Territories. territory that has not been developed and not inhabited, since there are no development technologies that would provide a standard of living comparable in quality, with cities, on the one hand, and with southern countries, on the other. This is a whole range of technologies, but the key ones are, perhaps, two: you need to make an installation for obtaining liquid motor fuel from plant residues, two options: either 1) producing fuel suitable for modern diesel engines, or 2) steam from an installation that produces "some "fuel + diesel capable of working on it.
      Already this will make it possible to re-populate the non-chernozem territory and master, at least, the interfluve of the Don and Volga. And if supplemented with something less fundamental, then even more so. Turn our underutilized lands into a 21st century resource. - CAN. In potential, it is more than all the hydrocarbons in the world. But you need to change yourself and change your views on your country. It's hard.
      Yes: we are not talking about "selling the Motherland." First, try with the domestic market. Then watch and take some next step "depending". The normal way for Russia.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 17 December 2015 10: 16 New
        0
        Who will develop the production of biodiesel in the presence of natural sources of oil. It is expensive. And unprofitable.
        Then nuclear reactors to develop a new type. Here we are strong. Switch to electric cars. Then.
    2. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 17 December 2015 09: 46 New
      +2
      The fact that our statesmen snickered at 100 dollars per barrel is a fact. Instead of investing superprofits in the development of the country, we can stupidly stuffed with American papers, bought yachts, played at the Olympics and stole money who was much worth it. And now, with 35 dollars, you must explain to our pensioners that they find themselves snickering and let them sit without indexation when prices rise by 20-30%.
  19. Yurmix
    Yurmix 17 December 2015 07: 51 New
    0
    Quote: midivan
    And do not tell me how much Iran was under the embargo ???

    Somewhere from the 50s, and gradually increasing. The DPRK is also quite full isolation there, but it is not correct to compare Russia with these countries, because their management systems are tight. Russia can now be said to have echoes of the Gorbachevo-Yeltsin perestroika that gave rise to this and it still stinks. And moreover, this stink is so tied up that the goat is nostra on the side of the road.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 December 2015 10: 44 New
      0
      Take an interest in where in Iran Phantoms and other American weapons? laughing
      Under the sanctions, after the Islamic Revolution, after which they immediately called the USA the Great Satan, and the USSR the Small Satan, they seized it from both wink
      1. midivan
        midivan 17 December 2015 17: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Take an interest in where in Iran Phantoms and other American weapons? laughing
        Under the sanctions, after the Islamic Revolution, after which they immediately called the USA the Great Satan, and the USSR the Small Satan, they seized it from both wink

        I say over the next 20 years, under the USSR there was a different policy, and why not sell fonts to Iran even with the embargo? to earn money on the fact that you don’t need to always always for a plus and I can’t call it help winked in general, the east is a delicate matter laughing but we are not talking about
    2. midivan
      midivan 17 December 2015 17: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: YURMIX
      Somewhere from the 50s, and gradually increasing. The DPRK is also quite full isolation there, but it is not correct to compare Russia with these countries, because their management systems are tight.

      in this case, it will be no less tough for us, but in contrast to Iran, industry is much more developed, for example, those harvesters with which they harvest bread (wheat and cereals), my grandfather still worked on such analogues, I’m almost 40 years old, they have machinery and cars also ancient, it’s a pity the flash drive my computer stopped seeing I would take off a couple of pictures
  20. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 17 December 2015 07: 57 New
    +2
    This is more a crazy idea than an effective measure against Russia. Firstly, Russia has enough resources not to become accommodating on the basis of energy prices, secondly, the Russian people are much less susceptible to economic difficulties than any Western people, and thirdly, to crush such Thus, the Russian economy probably needs several decades of such a regime, and there is no guarantee that Russia will not raise its own GDP in several years, fourthly, Russia has already achieved results that will not allow the West to have influence on us, and can continue for a long time. take our joint projects with China, India and many Asia-Pacific countries. And then these energy prices hit far not only in Russia, but in fact around the world, and the question is who they are most affected by. The same Middle Eastern countries are already experiencing economic and social problems and it is not clear how much they themselves will produce. So wait and see!
  21. Denis DV
    Denis DV 17 December 2015 08: 23 New
    0
    Gee, I'm afraid in the modern world there is not much oil. Western experts forget about the gluttony of their economies, the volume of consumers of oil products does not fall, but even grows. hi
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 17 December 2015 08: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Denis DV
      Western experts forget about the gluttony of their economies

      the economy is plunging into stagnation.
      Quote: Denis DV
      the volume of consumers of petroleum products does not fall, but even grows.

      optimistic. The other day a New Year’s positive read somewhere that everything will be nonsense, production will be cut, exporters will change their minds, the world economy will cheer up, the price of slurry will creep up (inexorably!).
      This, as I understand it, as a subject of serving to olivier and herring under a fur coat. We’ll finish tomorrow. Or throw it away.
      1. Denis DV
        Denis DV 17 December 2015 11: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Zeppelin ml.
        the economy is plunging into stagnation.

        Whose economy is it? request
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 17 December 2015 13: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Denis DV
          Quote: Zeppelin ml.
          the economy is plunging into stagnation.

          Whose economy is it? request

          world economy.
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  22. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 17 December 2015 08: 32 New
    0
    We are called for justice and "good behavior" by states and their allies. That is, "it is your fault that I want to eat." And the fact that the states and their allies, having established their own rules of the game in the financial market, together with their allies by military and covert methods, are bending down the whole world, then this is normal. What we can, so we will crush you. It has always been and will be so. There was you and we were. We already have experience of changing the ruling elites within the country (1917), now it is applicable in the international arena.
    Quote: atalef
    You and OPEC - living on the hopelessness of the customers decided not just to fatten at our expense. you decide to rip off the last pants. I'm not saying that. then under this business they also decided to blackmail these countries politically. raising the price to 150 bucks
  23. Flinky
    Flinky 17 December 2015 08: 58 New
    +2
    There is no collusion. There is a drop in demand.
  24. Chulman
    Chulman 17 December 2015 09: 07 New
    0
    ... This period itself, obviously, will be determined by the moment when Putin steps back. Will he go? ...

    Well stupid !!! Yes, in our country none of the leaders of any rank ever admitted their mistakes !!! And they - on the spot, on the spot! Well stupid !!!
  25. Alexl
    Alexl 17 December 2015 09: 24 New
    +1
    The collapse of the economy in Russia began back in 2013, when the price of oil was $ 100.
  26. oracul
    oracul 17 December 2015 09: 30 New
    +1
    I repeat myself, but once again I would like to draw the attention of my colleagues that the "oil needle" about which arrows are thrashing is the result of evaluating products in dollars. In fact, when evaluating production results in rubles, the picture looks significantly different. The only position that really works in the red is a decrease in budget revenues due to a decrease in foreign exchange earnings. But here, too, not everything is simple, because oil and gas workers (owners, first of all) are working hard to ensure that the state, and only a smaller part goes to it, does not encroach on their personal incomes even in times of crisis. Hence their fierce rejection of the government's attempts to increase taxes, the demand for benefits and financial support (for geological exploration and modernization) from its side, accompanied by threats to go "into the shadows", i.e. offshore. Of course, consumer demand has fallen, which should negatively affect the market for goods and services (while it is strange that the prices of gasoline, utility rates, food, fruits and vegetables are growing). But after all, oil production, as far as I remember in Russia, has not dropped at all (in rubles, this means GDP growth), the agricultural sector is showing good results, increasing the volume of the military-industrial complex and not only. Of course, somewhere things are not the best way, someone goes bankrupt, but in market relations this is normal and happens all the time - they call competition. But constantly repeating about the commodity economy !? Something here ends meet, in my opinion, do not converge. So all this is very beneficial to someone. And this is all called an economic war against Russia and other unwanted countries.
    1. would
      would 18 December 2015 08: 05 New
      0
      In fact, when evaluating the results of production in rubles, the picture looks significantly different.


      That's when the country's economy will be self-sufficient and will not need to import, then it will be possible to measure something in rubles. In modern conditions of import dependence, when import substitution is often carried out only on paper, a huge part of the goods is bought for dollars or in another currency when the ruble is converted into which the exchange rate determines the dollar exchange rate. In my opinion, these are common truths.

      . Of course, somewhere things are not in the best way, someone goes bankrupt, but in market relations this is normal and happens all the time - competition is called.


      No, this is called an economic crisis. We have "in some places the situation is not the best way", "some who go bankrupt" is happening everywhere.

      But constantly repeat about the commodity economy !? Something here ends meet, in my opinion, do not converge.


      That is, you deny that the budget is almost half (and in previous years more than half) made up of oil and gas revenues? Or statistics from the federal customs service?

      Generally as Kukaner correctly said

      It is pointless to comment on such opuses
  27. mihasik
    mihasik 17 December 2015 09: 44 New
    0
    What does the Obama administration want today?
    According to Larry Elliot, the White House wants peace:
    1) Tehran must comply with the abandonment of the nuclear program;
    2) Vladimir Putin must retreat in eastern Ukraine.

    What do Iran and Putin want?
    Just a trifle, a little: That the United States dumped for its large puddle and no longer protruded from there.
  28. Arkan
    Arkan 17 December 2015 09: 56 New
    +1
    Probably the whole question is that the Saudis and the United States consider the Russian economy much weaker than the economies of Saudi Arabia and the United States. They themselves will survive an indefinite short period, but the Russians will not. This period itself, obviously, will be determined by the moment when Putin steps back. Will he go?


    I remember that our president said something about the ears of a dead donkey.
    1. midivan
      midivan 17 December 2015 17: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Arkan
      I remember that our president said something about the ears of a dead donkey.

      I remember he still promised a surprise, caliber, Syria, electric threads? "knowing" him is not a surprise smile
  29. Aleksandr2012
    Aleksandr2012 17 December 2015 09: 58 New
    0
    In fact, it is still unknown to whom the high price of oil is more advantageous to us or to buyers. While oil-producing countries were sitting on a pipe, receiving large quantities of dollars, others developed production and technology. Then, goods and technologies were sold to oil-producing countries for the same dollars. Now these dollars are gone, and we started scratching our turnips. With such prices, it becomes profitable to develop our own production. And who in the end is worse? The only negative is that getting off an oil needle hurts, and breaking will be more than one year.
  30. aviator1913
    aviator1913 17 December 2015 10: 01 New
    +3
    Again a world conspiracy and the like. As if there were no real reasons for the fall of oil.

    In the world of crisis, China's economy is stopping, it was the main factor of speculators, who increased prices.

    For some reason, when speculators brought oil to 150 $, we are all happy, the economy is booming, investments are flowing, cars are getting cheaper, speculators are great

    As soon as speculators in a panic dump oil to 30 $, because there are objective reasons and a desire to profit from cheap oil. We immediately have “Speculators on the scaffold”, “a world conspiracy”, “This was done to kill our economy!” The usual policy of double standards.

    It’s necessary to work, to develop the country, so that these speculations with oil do not do all the weather in Russia, it really turns out that some kind of Libya can kill the entire Russian economy with its oil, the “Great Country” turned into the “Great Gas Station”!
  31. vvp2412
    vvp2412 17 December 2015 10: 07 New
    0
    The share of raw materials in exports is less than 50%. What more than 70% is the author talking about?
  32. Ajjh
    Ajjh 17 December 2015 10: 17 New
    +1
    Everywhere conspiracies, around enemies ...
    Maybe everything is easier? and it's not a conspiracy? After all, everyone benefits from cheap oil!
  33. Maksim
    Maksim 17 December 2015 10: 27 New
    0
    My hodgepodge.
    Oil, gas, military, any collusion can be, as long as there is a green candy wrapper printed by a private bank. Moreover, the cost of printing it is much lower, and the profit is correspondingly higher.
    "2000% profit per barrel is not stealing?" seems just insignificant.

    "As soon as some kind of crap happens - we get off the stove and start hitting the aggressors on the nozzles."
    In the situation with the oil and gas sector, the government and the oligarchs need to knock on snot. We hit Khodorkovsky, we lived, we are waiting for the next round, but the break is delayed ......
  34. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 17 December 2015 10: 27 New
    +2
    It seems that many people believe that without oil money, technology is easier to develop than with money.
    I would like to ask, what to develop or acquire new technologies for?
    To be honest, I really do not like holding the Olympiad for 70 billion. This is at the price of 10 Opel plants. Several years ago, Opel was estimated at 7-8 billion. That is, the solution to the problem of motorization of the country, for example. Workplaces. I'd gladly go there to get a salary in a piece of bucks ... but no ... it's a shame chessword.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 17 December 2015 10: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      I would like to ask, what to develop or acquire new technologies for?

      And who will sell them, and did not sell with money
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 17 December 2015 10: 45 New
        +1
        You pay intelligence agencies and universities, some steal technology, others develop. Money is turned into technology. Profit bully
        1. aviator1913
          aviator1913 17 December 2015 11: 00 New
          +2
          This is not our method. We have a method like this, an official buys a Mercedes, closes a plant, sells the remains of which they make either a warehouse or a shopping center. The official then waits for subsidies from Moscow from oil money to buy a new Mercedes.

          That's the whole system in Russia)
  35. Winged 38
    Winged 38 17 December 2015 11: 06 New
    -1
    I think that the current situation with today's oil price suits the GDP. Albeit with a terrible slip, but other industries are starting to rise.
    And if it had ceased to suit, then the Saudis may well have some sort of a brawl. Or maybe Shiites rebel or Sunnis. Or Yemen will attack ... But you never know who we with Iran deep behind our backs will be able to support and push. Not only 3,14-ddos such chess are available.
    1. midivan
      midivan 17 December 2015 18: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: Winged 38
      Not only 3,14-ddos such chess are available.

      I already wrote somewhere about chess laughing Have you often seen GDP behind a chessboard? and now maaalenky focus look what it means and how the word-judo is translated https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B7%D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%BE
  36. kazachyok69
    kazachyok69 17 December 2015 11: 34 New
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    Why conspiracy against the Russians? Which Russian has oil or gas? Our gas prices are the same as in the USA - salaries, benefits, social programs are not comparable .... In Ukrainian Nikolaev, they pay less for gas OUR now than I pay in Russia .... Oil, gas, other resources have separate individuals, and People like NOTHING! So against whom is the conspiracy?
  37. Ajjh
    Ajjh 17 December 2015 11: 55 New
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    I think that the current situation with today's oil price suits the GDP. Albeit with a terrible slip, but other industries are starting to rise.
    And if it had ceased to suit, then the Saudis may well have some sort of a brawl. Or maybe Shiites rebel or Sunnis. Or Yemen will attack ... But you never know who we with Iran deep behind our backs will be able to support and push. Not only 3,14-ddos such chess are available.

    Yeah of course. Chezh then do not raise to 100?
    Belief in Putin's genius will end badly. It took place in history, and not so long ago there was another lesson
  38. Leprekon
    Leprekon 17 December 2015 14: 02 New
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    This period itself, obviously, will be determined by the moment when Putin steps back. Will he go?
    The smart one will not go uphill, the smart one will go around! So, probably they will not wait for a backlash.
  39. electrooleg
    electrooleg 17 December 2015 14: 33 New
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    Since the scum of different countries was conspiring, the conspiracy should be called not oil, but oil. Oil conspiracy is a bastard of the whole world. What does it sound, huh? :)
  40. potalevl
    potalevl 17 December 2015 17: 32 New
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    Since 1913, the private joint-stock company "US Federal Reserve" began to introduce into the world economy the unsecured "FRS dollar wrappers". By 1970, the economy and political leadership of almost all countries of the world, with the exception of the countries of the socialist camp, were included in the sphere of influence of the "wrapper-dollar FRS". In 1970, the leadership of the PJSC "FRS" refuses to link the "wrapper-dollar FRS" to the standard of the "gold standard", since this prevents the printing press from producing unsupported waste paper at full capacity. It was necessary to look for a new standard. The development of technology required an ever wider use of oil. Until 1972, oil was traded mainly with the use of national currencies. The price of oil fluctuated around 4 "candy wrappers-FRS dollars" per barrel (200 liters). In 1973, the United States (the largest oil consumer in the world) concludes an agreement with Saudi Arabia (the largest oil producer in the world) that the Saudis will trade oil only for "FRS candy wrappers". Those agree and "miraculously" oil prices rise several times up to (30 and more "candy wrappers-dollars of the Fed" per barrel). Following, the rest of the oil producing countries switched to oil trading for "candy wrappers-FRS dollars". Thus, the leadership of PJSC "US Federal Reserve System" invented a new standard for the world economy - "petrodollar". Now, I think, many will understand that oil prices are dictated not by the market, but by the one who has a machine for printing the "petrodollar" and manipulates the actions of the leaderships of the leading countries in oil production and consumption.
    Through the introduction of unsecured private money called the "FRS dollar" in all spheres of life in almost all countries of the world, the leadership of PJSC "US FRS" gained economic and political world domination. Only two countries in the world do not have "petrodollars" in their gold reserves - the USA and Israel. Only these two countries have more than 70% of their gold reserves in their gold reserves. And only one Israel is not a debtor to the PJSC "US FRS", but quite the opposite, the IMF and other financial institutions take the PJSC "US FRS" take loans from Israel. Do you understand such a story? Now, I think, many will understand why the prices for gasoline in the USA and Israel are lower than in Russia. If someone does not understand, ask questions, I will be happy to answer them. Something like this.
    1. Hello
      Hello 17 December 2015 17: 51 New
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      Quote: potalevl
      only these two countries have more than 70% of their gold reserves in their gold reserves.

      My question is how to deal with the fact that Israel has no gold reserves. And according to gold reserves, Israel is in 26th place, and China is in the first fellow
      1. potalevl
        potalevl 17 December 2015 19: 34 New
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        The table from which you gleaned your knowledge reflects the presence of gold in the gold reserves of the countries of the world in metric measurement, that is, in tons, and therefore in bars. The absence of data in this column, according to the Israel line, can only indicate that the presence of gold bars is absent, or is such an insignificant indicator that it makes no sense to show it in the table. However, you should be aware that the gold and foreign exchange reserves contain not only gold in bars, but also gold in coins, platinum, palladium, etc. rare earth precious metals and precious stones. And for your information they are not measured in metric tons. As I have already noted, only two countries do not keep "candy wrappers". Considering that the United States has more than 70% of gold bullion alone, one can be 300% sure that Israel has more than 70% of gold coins, other precious metals and precious stones, in the gold reserves. Maybe you have a different opinion about the mental abilities of your compatriots and you think that the gold and foreign exchange reserves of Israel consist of paper banknotes from different countries of the world? I want to assure you that people who have done an operation with a private money printing machine are not stupid enough to show the whole world what kind of wealth and in which countries they have, in particular in Israel. Something like this. I hope you are satisfied with my answer to your question.
        1. atalef
          atalef 17 December 2015 19: 44 New
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          Quote: potalevl
          Given that the United States has more than 70% of gold bullion only, one can be sure of 300% that Israel has more than 70% of gold coins, etc. precious metals and precious stones.

          Israel does not contain foreign exchange reserves in any metals. not in diamonds.
          Point, nothing to talk about
          http://www.cbr.ru/statistics/print.aspx?file=credit_statistics/res_str.htm

          Quote: potalevl
          Maybe you have a different opinion about the mental abilities of your compatriots and you think that the gold reserves of Israel consist of paper banknotes from around the world?

          Yes, and this euro and dollars.
          Quote: potalevl
          then people who have completed an operation with a private machine for printing money are not so stupid as to show the world what riches and in which countries they possess, in particular in Israel

          If this does not match your theory. it doesn’t mean at all that it’s not
          Quote: potalevl
          I hope you are satisfied with my answer to your question.

          I do not, and you are my arguments?
          1. potalevl
            potalevl 17 December 2015 20: 01 New
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            I am also not satisfied, because in order to assert that my theory is erroneous, it is necessary to propose my theory or to point out erroneous moments in mine. Unfortunately, you did not introduce either one or the other. Your categorical statement that there is nothing but waste paper in the gold reserves of Israel remains only your categorical statement and nothing more. And don’t be so nervous. I see discussions on this issue, we will not succeed. Let each of us remain in our opinion, and time, I think, will put everything in its place. All the best.
            1. atalef
              atalef 17 December 2015 20: 07 New
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              Quote: potalevl
              I am also not satisfied, because in order to assert that my theory is erroneous, it is necessary to propose my theory

              I have no theory, I have facts !!!
              Israel has no reserve in metals.
              What is not clear - no. No. No, what else to write?
              Not in gold. neither in silver nor in palladium nor in lead ingots
              Exclusively in the currencies of two countries - euro and dollars
              Quote: potalevl
              You, unfortunately, did not submit.

              Did I give you a link? Then they simply google the gold and foreign exchange reserves of Israel, or were they banned in Google?
              Quote: potalevl
              Your categorical statement that there is nothing except waste paper in the gold reserves of Israel remains only your categorical statement and nothing more

              I don’t know, do you want to fill our vaults with gold? You are welcome.
              Quote: potalevl
              And don’t be so nervous. I see discussions on this issue, we will not succeed

              Of course. we don’t have it.
              There is no need to discuss. No metals in reserves
              Quote: potalevl
              Let each of us remain in our opinion, and time, I think, will put everything in its place. All the best.

              Stubbornness is the first sign of dullness.
              And good luck to you.
  41. Rablampy
    Rablampy 17 December 2015 20: 53 New
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    If you put things in order among the oligarchs, then there will be enough resources for a long time, because the efficiency of the economy
    and finance will leave profits in the Russian Federation, and not in offshore ...
  42. Erg
    Erg 17 December 2015 23: 04 New
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    Everything is in order. The government has budgetary obligations. A certain amount is declared. If there are less dollars from the sale of "firewood", then, having dropped the ruble, we will get the same "output" of rubles. So everything is in flux
  43. Calter
    Calter 18 December 2015 00: 19 New
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    The economic pressure on Russia through games in the oil market also hits the budget of Saudi Arabia, which depends on oil in the same way as Moscow.

    Not quite right ... Saudi oil
    1. Cheaper at cost
    2. Higher in quality
    And the budget can be filled by increasing production. There were already ready capacities for this. They were restrained by directives from OPEC, which, when lowering the price of a barrel, ordered the participants to reduce production. The CA unilaterally refused to comply with these directives, as a result, other countries did not reduce production either (because this would be tantamount to subsidizing the CA, which, of course, no one agreed).
  44. Calter
    Calter 18 December 2015 00: 36 New
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    OPEC and Russia, among the brakes, have LARGED (otherwise it’s easy to name) oil buyers, receiving not fair profit in the amount of a thousand percent ...
    Low oil prices are good.
    This is cheaper gasoline and lower family expenses.

    Yah?! While prices on the world market are creeping up, gasoline, of course, is getting more expensive.
    When prices fall, then our "large entrepreneurs", to compensate for losses, what do they do ?! That's right, they raise the price on the domestic market.
    After the collapse of oil prices from $ 120 to $ 70, the prices at gas stations decreased by ... 78kop / liter! And then, after a personal kick from Putin and the "suddenly awakened" FAS. This is at an over price of 30 rubles. At that time, our economists also spoke beautiful words about the fact that the share of oil in the price of gasoline was only 5% ... These are the whims of Russian business. So who is being robbed there?
    Z.Y. since then, the price of oil has fallen to $ 40 (almost 2 times). What about gas prices?
  45. Calter
    Calter 18 December 2015 00: 46 New
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    Quote: Down House
    Quote: Corsair0304
    In Russia (things are strange!), The price of gasoline is only increasing, and everything around is getting more expensive.

    In Russia, the price of gasoline on the contrary fell in price - in dollar terms - one of the cheapest prices in the world.
    And the prices "for food" in this case do not depend on the price of gasoline.

    Only the majority of Russians receive their salary in rubles. Now, if it was indexed in accordance with the dollar exchange rate ... then one could speculate on this topic.
  46. Murad05
    Murad05 18 December 2015 12: 09 New
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    Quote: Kurdalagon
    Be patient. You look and weep from an oil needle. And it’s somehow sad that some camel drivers can influence the well-being of our country.

    +100500. They said how they cut it off.
  47. Alekspel
    Alekspel 18 December 2015 20: 24 New
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    It's time to find a reason and bomb the Saudis into their oil fields. Three strategic bombers are enough for this. It flares up so that for a long time they will not be able to produce oil. That’s all for a short time. States would do just that. Look, in the UAE, sheikhs are smarter than these Saudi abdullahs. They don’t rock the boat because they know that one hit on power plants and they will again ride camels in the desert. And the Saudis have a different situation? Why can camellers spoil us, but we don’t?
  48. Lechik2000
    Lechik2000 20 December 2015 18: 31 New
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    I don’t care - the Jew of the Soviet Union spill is the main ikspert at the cost of oil (strange site) ...