The Chinese Navy replenished with a new destroyer "Hefei"

In China, the new “advanced” rocket destroyer “Hefei” of class 052D was introduced into the Navy, reports Look with reference to China Daily.

“Our sailors and officers got acquainted with the advanced equipment and weapons on the ship. In the near future, we will focus on the exercises to put the ship into full operation within a short period of time, said the captain of the ship, Chao Yanquan. “The destroyer is especially strong in target detection and air defense.”

According to the newspaper, “Hefei is the most advanced destroyer ever built by China.”

"The ship has a wide range of weapons, including 130-mm single-barrel artillery, system weapons short-range, anti-aircraft weapons and surface-to-surface cruise missiles. The destroyer also has a configuration with a small radar visibility, "- writes the publication.

This is the third ship of this type. The first - 052D "Kunming" - introduced fleet in March 2014, the second - “Changsha” - in August 2015.

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[Ami du peuple]

Yeah, the Chinese don't care about the non-delivery of Nikolaev turbines. There is no question of import substitution - all of it ..

[cniza]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Yeah, the Chinese don't care about the non-delivery of Nikolaev turbines. There is no question of import substitution - all of it ..

Few TTX, it is difficult to assess its capabilities, and so impressive.

[theadenter]

Their strength lies in the availability of all production capacities and in the extremely rapid development of technology. Given the fact that I do not have much confidence in the Chinese, the rapid buildup of their fleet is scary.

[Odysseus]

Quote: theadenter

Given that I don’t have much confidence in the Chinese

No one can be trusted at all.

Quote: theadenter

the rapid buildup of their fleet is scary.

And the fleet didn’t please you with them? And I would understand the ground forces or Strategic Missile Forces, but the fleet ...
On the contrary, the development of their fleet is beneficial to us. Which, of course, does not mean that it is not necessary to develop the Pacific Fleet, which is in a terrible state.

[lis-ik]

And as for your fleet, we have enough land borders. They certainly don’t scare us with the fleet.

[gray smeet]

Type 052D destroyers are designed to provide air defense and anti-aircraft defense for naval formations, to combat enemy surface forces, to support landing and other missions. Ships are the development of the destroyers Guangzhou project 052B.

Key Features:
- standard displacement more than 6000 t
- length 160 m
- width 18 m
weaponry
- Artillery: a new 130-mm AC type PJ-38 and MZAK type 730;
- Missile: universal vertical launch launchers (64 cells), designed for the simultaneous loading of 4 different types of missiles, SAM HQ-9V SAM, anti-submarine and anti-ship missiles YJ-62, long-range missiles like DH-10 for attacks on coastal targets;
- Anti-aircraft: SAM HQ-9V, SAM short-range FL3000;
- Radio-electronic: Type 346 radar with an active phased antenna array and Type 518 L-range early warning radar.

The construction of 10 such ships is expected.

[cniza]

Thanks for the information.

[Falcon]

Their UVP is of interest. Cells are the same size both in front and behind, unlike previous projects. those. launch all types of missiles from them.

The problem is that we cannot launch missiles from C-3 14Н300 from 48с-6

and they seem to be able to launch their C-300 (HQ-9) clone from standard UVP.
It seems that they have seriously remade their 48н6 - here we are seriously lagging behind.

On the models of the Leader project we have again placers of different UVPs.

[Mera joota]

Quote: Falcon

Their UVP is of interest

A copy of the American UVP Mk.41. The Chinese have realized the main advantage of a hot-start UVP - versatility.

[Falcon]

Quote: Mera Joota

A copy of the American UVP Mk.41. The Chinese have realized the main advantage of a hot-start UVP - versatility.

Yes, no, ours can be used with hot too. But universality is still lame of course.

They, by the way, also seem to have a cold start. There is no gas outlet, as on the Mk41, if only they are airtight.

They seem to have a little more than Mk.41, although of course there is no exact information, of course,

[Mera joota]

Quote: Falcon

Yes, no, ours can be used with hot too.

Well, if you want to burn the ship ... Fully those, only an ejection launch, and everywhere it is different, both pneumatic and a powder gas generator ...

Quote: Falcon

They, by the way, also seem to have a cold start. There is no gas outlet, as on the Mk41, unless they are airtight

See the photo. The gas outlet is clearly visible.

[Falcon]

Quote: Mera Joota

Well, if you want to burn the ship ... Fully those, only an ejection launch, and everywhere it is different, both pneumatic and a powder gas generator ...

I wonder how then do you think the caliber and onyx will start, if this is not a hot start?

[Mera joota]

Quote: Falcon

I wonder how then do you think the caliber and onyx will start, if this is not a hot start?

From TPN (transport-launch cup) with compressed air.

[Falcon]

Quote: Mera Joota

From TPN (transport-launch cup) with compressed air.

Well TPN is understandable, but where does the compressed air? From memory - no rocket starts with compressed air. Maybe I didn’t remember something.

The caliber starts by starting the solid fuel stage.
Which is similar in terms of tasks and power to the Tamogavkovo starting stage.

Onyx starts with a solid-fuel starting engine, which will give odds to a dozen solid fuel engines Tamogavka !!! Since speed is needed there for ramjet, God forbid ...

[Mera joota]

Quote: Falcon

Quote: Mera Joota

From TPN (transport-launch cup) with compressed air.

Well TPN

Compressed air.

[Falcon]

Quote: Mera Joota

Compressed air.

Quote: Mera Joota

Onyx starts with a solid-fuel starting engine, which will give a thief a dozen solid fuel engines a tomahawk !!! Since speed is needed there for ramjet, God forbid ...

See What air is there.

[Mera joota]

Quote: Falcon

See What air is there.

Compressed, what else. Air pushes the rocket out of the TPS and, at the output, the starting solid propellant booster engine fires. In the video you provided, this is clearly visible. A hot start from a glass-plastic TPN is simply not possible. Here's what a hot start looks like:

[Falcon]

Quote: Mera Joota

squeezed, what else. Air pushes the rocket out of the TPS and, at the output, the starting solid propellant booster engine fires. In the video you provided, this is clearly visible. A hot start from a glass-plastic TPN is simply not possible. Here's what a hot start looks like:

Have you read my previous post about caliber?

Why is the fiberglass container then?

Watch the video from where onyx exits from 3-14, and not from a ground installation.

With ground it starts with a powder accelerator

With 3-14 it comes out as a solid fuel.

3-14 provides both a warm start and a catapult.
The photo shows the installation. There, only the second left-hand container is equipped under the catapult, the rest warm start. Naturally, it is possible to redo all the others in this way, but the caliber and onyx cannot be allowed up like that.

[Mera joota]

Quote: Falcon

Have you read my previous post about caliber?

Yes.

Quote: Falcon

Why is the fiberglass container then?

Quote: Falcon

With ground it starts with a powder accelerator

I propose once again to compare the hot start and mortar. In the first case, the launch turbojet engine is launched INSIDE the launch container, with mortar at the exit from it. During a hot start, gases escape from the bottom of the container so as not to burn through its walls and destroy the neighboring rocket.
For clarity:

[Falcon]

Quote: Mera Joota

I propose once again to compare the hot start and mortar. In the first case, the launch turbojet engine is launched INSIDE the launch container, with mortar at the exit from it. During a hot start, gases escape from the bottom of the container so as not to burn through its walls and destroy the neighboring rocket.
For clarity:

There are no catapults there. ITS simply not, regardless of the method.

Gases are not required to exit the bottom of the container if the TPK is tight.

In your photo there is no starting solid propellant rocket engine, marching goes immediately. Energy is completely different and loads, too. Therefore, the design.

View from above

Dd

When a rocket is launched from a TPK loaded into a control cell, the 8 actuator opens the protective cover 7 of the corresponding control cell. According to the signal from the ship’s fire control system, in accordance with the rocket launch sequence diagram, a signal is sent to turn on the rocket’s autonomous power sources through the electrical connector and from the onboard control system starting engine starts. In case of overloads that occur when the rocket leaves the TPK, the 14 cup suspended by means of spring shock absorbers of the 15 cushioning device on the lower base 2 body moves down along the longitudinal axis 12 of the PU cell until the support ring 27 of the 14 cup touches the corresponding adjustable 26 stops mounted on the foundation of the ship. Thus, the movement of the 14 cup together with the TPK is limited and the spring shock absorbers of the 15 cushioning device are turned off.

[Mera joota]

Quote: Falcon

3-14 provides both a warm start and a catapult.

A hot start with 3C-14 is not possible because he is just a farm to support TPN

[Falcon]

Quote: Mera Joota

Compressed what else

That rocket pushes the rods. It’s immediately visible.

[starshina78]

Sign a contract with the Chinese or something, so that they set up our ships. Since we ourselves have been building one ship for ten years, or are waiting for the engines to be delivered from Ukraine.

[Falcon]

Quote: starshina78

Sign a contract with the Chinese or something, so that they set up our ships. Since we ourselves have been building one ship for ten years, or are waiting for the engines to be delivered from Ukraine.

China’s military budget is almost three times larger than ours, and the economy is 4,5 times larger.
Despite the fact that labor is also cheaper.
It is foolish to probably not admit it.

They will give everyone else a smoke it seems ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: Falcon

and the economy is 4,5 times larger.

5 times only in monetary terms (PPP GDP) and the gap is growing all the time. And in production (physical indicators), the gap is simply enormous.
But in 1985 (the beginning of perestroika) the economy of the RSFSR was much larger than the economy of the PRC, I’m not talking about the whole USSR ...

[Mera joota]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Yeah, the Chinese don't care about the non-delivery of Nikolaev turbines. There is no question of import substitution - all of it ..

They are just the Ukrainian gas turbines standing Zorya-Mashproekt, though they do them themselves.

[Teberii]

China is expanding its fleet, a rival in the Pacific, especially to the Americans.

[tronin.maxim]

And there will be a holiday on our street!

[theadenter]

With our managers, you will have to wait until a very old age.

[Monge]

This is the third ship of this type. The first - 052D "Kunming" - was introduced into the fleet in March 2014-th, the second - "Changsha" - in August 2015 g.

What a pace! By the way, what kind of managers are you talking about?

[SHOCK.]

They bake like pies. But it’s not easier for us, rather the opposite.

[kapitan92]

Well done Chinese! Over the past 25 years, a giant breakthrough. Our "democrats" need to learn from the Chinese "communists", maybe there will be a holiday on our street too!

[Corsair0304]

A serious machine, you can’t say anything. By the way, with a change in political relations, this ship may turn out to be a competitor not only to Americans. Life is a complicated thing. Just in case, I will add a reminder picture (previously it was already in VO)

[dchegrinec]

Cruise missiles are even available. China is being pulled. Taiwan will now be frightened or Japan.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: dchegrinec

.Taiwan will now be frightened or Japan.

I have nothing against it...

[moskowit]

No matter how Chinese militaristic "attempts," the Russian "obstetricians" would have to cool it. Remember Suvorov's words about Napoleon ... "He walks far, well done! Isn't it time to stop ..."

[Stirbjorn]

To extinguish something there, you need to update the fleet, at least a little. There, all the ships are over 30 already ... The "obstetricians" cannot build the whole corvette for 10 years

[Engineer]

With each Chinese destroyer, our Pacific Fleet is weakening before our eyes ... When will the Leaders take their leading place in the Navy? We wait.

[Mera joota]

Quote: Engineer

With each Chinese destroyer, our Pacific Fleet is weakening before our eyes ... When will the Leaders take their leading place in the Navy? We wait.

The word WHEN has a rhyme NEVER.

[marlin1203]

Not a single one has been laid yet. And the price tag for the Leaders will be "hellish". This is not "Rook" for you ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: Engineer

With each Chinese destroyer, our Pacific Fleet is weakening before our eyes ..

For the Pacific Fleet, the main rival is the Japanese fleet.

Quote: Engineer

. When will the Leaders take their leading position in the Navy?

Are you kidding me? In the surface fleet, we would repair what is, and get at least heels 22350 and then the bread will be

[individual]

China is an example to us how to build a state’s life, economy, science and technology.

[stpv1]

YES, I just want to say shame, for 10 years we have been building corvettes with dubious combat readiness

[donavi49]

They have an advanced shipping industry, they constantly hold on 1-2 places in annual tonnage production, Russia is not included in the top 10.

With advanced plants, they can quickly deploy a series of ships. 052D already build 2 plants in parallel. Corvettes 4 plants. Moreover, in the construction, excellent equipment of the shipyards, the most advanced equipment, cranes is used, the assembly is used by high-readiness units even on a corvette. All this is bearing fruit.

Also to the pluses:
- In China, consciously, back in the 90s, the idea of ​​Wunderwafel was abandoned, they are building strong and more or less modern ships for today, with some potential for modernization, but all the installed equipment and weapons are already being produced. That is, no downtime, level - the gun did not start firing, the radar developer failed the program - the ship is waiting a year. They simply do not and cannot have this.

- huge investments, the fleet’s budget is only growing now, because they have made a bet on domination in the Asia-Pacific region.

- the best initial conditions, there are no particular difficulties with the procurement of the necessary technologies or components in any country in the world (except the USA, but the USA has sold ship turbines to China). Plus excellent proprietary engine (industry leaders) and instrumentation.

[Mera joota]

This is the third ship of this type.

For understanding. This is the third destroyer of this project adopted by the fleet, two more are currently undergoing acceptance tests, three are being built at different stages of readiness.
This is not the most important thing. Last year, the Chinese laid the destroyer pr.055 displacement of more than 10 thousand tons.

[Falcon]

Quote: Mera Joota

Last year, the Chinese laid the destroyer pr.055 displacement of more than 10 thousand tons.

I don’t understand why they neglect the air defense artillery ... Only one 30mm in front and that's all ...

[donavi49]

They consider MZA to be ineffective; they prefer to put their analogue of RIM with OMS.

[Falcon]

Quote: donavi49

They consider MZA to be ineffective; they prefer to put their analogue of RIM with OMS.

It is strange that they do not combine. One other would complement.

[lilian]

Everything in the state structure is interconnected. If you look for reasons: why is everything like this, why aren’t they building, they’re not doing it, they aren’t launching? One of dozens of answers lies at the very beginning of a person’s development, from school or even kindergarten.
Where are thousands of children's clubs? Where is an effective education system? What devil is the television propaganda for the population of animal conspiracy!

[egor1712]

they are ships like sculpting pies.

[Evil 55]

Another Chinese fake ... Let's see how much it will rust and rot ....

[azesm]

Quote: Monge

In China, a new "advanced" rocket destroyer "Hefei" of class 052D was introduced into the Navy, Vzglyadka reports with reference to the China Daily.

The Chinese Navy replenished with a new destroyer "Hefei"


“Our sailors and officers got acquainted with the advanced equipment and weapons on the ship. In the near future, we will focus on the exercises to put the ship into full operation within a short period of time, said the captain of the ship, Chao Yanquan. “The destroyer is especially strong in target detection and air defense.”
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According to the newspaper, “Hefei is the most advanced destroyer ever built by China.”

“The ship carries a wide range of weapons, including a 130mm single-barreled artillery mount, a short-range weapon system, anti-aircraft weapons and surface-to-surface cruise missiles. The destroyer also has a configuration with low radar signature, ”the newspaper writes.

This is the third ship of this type. The first - 052D "Kunming" - was introduced into the fleet in March 2014-th, the second - "Changsha" - in August 2015 g.

Yes, we have one, permanent
likes to spend money on Olympics and championships and to fly with cranes, instead of fulfilling his immediate duties and developing the country

[prorab_ak]

Yeah, he also has an agent call sign "ALFASTERKH"
And according to the article .... each time I ask myself the question, why, why do our stupid rulers, amusing their ambitions, climb the whole world literally from naked ..... ??? ... well, take an example from China, They don’t go anywhere especially (at least openly), they built up first (and it is CORRECT) economic power, and then military power.
And now China can openly talk about its geopolitical influence, but again does not do it, acting WISE !!!!
BUT! with all this, only the Yankees tried to tuck into their disputed islands, just as an intermediary, so China immediately answered directly and harshly .... DO NOT, and the Yankees fell off ...
By the way, it will not be amiss to recall that China, to put it mildly, does not like the United States very much, because. the last 15 years have led a very tough trade war with China, who do not know, I advise you to google and read articles ... after them our confrontation from the usa .... well, at least make you smile

[Termit1309]

Quote: gray smeet

The construction of 10 such ships is expected.

ehhh

[Isk1984]

Another question for our authorities, well, don’t touch the 90s, 2000 years have passed since 15, well, let's not touch the first 5 years, so for 10 years we couldn’t move the question of building modern ships, and we’re building for 5-7 years, and all we can do is take patrol boats 1 each in half a year ... Well then, it’s bitter and insulting what world ambitions are there if the modern fleet cannot be built on time ...
Why am I all so sorry that right now it's not 37 years old, as our prime minister and president usually joyfully say from the screens ... sorry