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Expert: Why does Russia, which has a "caliber", violate the INF Treaty?

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It makes no sense for Russia to violate the INF Treaty, which Washington constantly blames for it, since it has adopted the Caliber missiles, which are not subject to prohibition, said member of the Federation of American Scientists Hans Christensen.




“For a long time, the United States couldn’t say at all what kind of Russian rocket allegedly violated the treaty. Even now, Washington only reports that we are talking about the already tested, but not deployed modern rocket ", - leads Look article Christensen, published on the departmental site.

At the same time, Washington claims that the mysterious rocket allegedly "threatens most of Europe and US allies in East Asia," the author notes.

In turn, intelligence stresses that the “undeveloped rocket” “operates in roughly the same range as the Caliber.”

So why did Russia need the similarity of the “Caliber” when it has the “Caliber” itself? Placing these cruise missiles at sea does not violate the INF Treaty.

“Gauges can perfectly replace the very unnamed missiles to which the US makes claims under the treaty,” the author writes.

According to him, the "Caliber" will receive "the Northern Fleet (Kola Peninsula), and the Baltic (Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg), and the Black Sea (Sevastopol and Novorossiysk), and the Caspian [Caspian flotilla] (Makhachkala), and the Pacific (Vladivostok and Petropavlovsk). ”

“Thus, the Caliber,” Christensen writes, “will allow ships, even without leaving ports, to threaten all NATO members in Europe (except Spain and Portugal), most of the Middle East, as well as Japan, South Korea and northeastern China. (including Beijing). "

In addition, the “version of the Caliber with a nuclear warhead (and the possibility of such a modification was confirmed by Russian President Vladimir Putin) may have a greater range than those used in Syria, i.e. over 2,5 thousand km, ”adds the expert.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 15 December 2015 18: 20 New
    +8
    There are places and situations where it is better to launch from land. And the Yankees are not hinting at the Club, which can stand everywhere? what
    1. hedgehog in the fog
      hedgehog in the fog 15 December 2015 18: 25 New
      19
      the Yankees themselves do not know what to hint at, but hint at something, because the toad strangles that everything is simple and effective with us
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 15 December 2015 18: 25 New
      14
      The mattresses themselves are plotting and screaming most of all that Russia is violating, at one time they also screamed about Saddam and the tyrant dictator Gaddafi, star-striped hypocrites.
    3. st25310
      st25310 15 December 2015 18: 35 New
      12

      The monstrous blow of the “Coalition”: the first-ever self-propelled guns showed live fire to the “Star”
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 15 December 2015 18: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: st25310
        Monstrous blow of "Coalition":



        Well, with an apple, the journalists went too far, of course, however - it’s impressive ...

        Surprised by the small size of the funnel ...

        I called my wife, I played this video, and the first question was: “And how much does this infection cost?” ...

        I replied: "A lot" ...
        1. Manul
          Manul 15 December 2015 23: 32 New
          0
          Quote: veksha50
          Surprised by the small size of the funnel ...

          Did you manually change the terrain? request
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      3. mitrich
        mitrich 15 December 2015 19: 43 New
        0
        Now they are on a combat test, it is clear that with our calculations, it is necessary to Syria. Needle feeds will appreciate.
    4. Wiruz
      Wiruz 15 December 2015 18: 37 New
      +3
      There are places and situations where it is better to launch from land

      The point here is not so much whence run how much is that to run. Winged land-based medium-range missile and ballistic ground-based medium-range missile - things are different. The INF Treaty, many mothers precisely because of the inability to be armed ballistic medium / short range missiles hi
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 15 December 2015 18: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Wiruz
        Many mothers swear the INF Treaty precisely because of the impossibility of having medium / short-range ballistic missiles

        But then it limits both the KR and the BR.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 15 December 2015 20: 09 New
          +1
          But then it limits both the KR and the BR.

          I know.
          I’m saying that the inability to have ground-based medium-range cruise missiles is a trifle. After all, no one canceled the X-55 with its modifications, Grenades (they were also canceled later, they decided that only the SSBN should be carried in the Navy fleet), Caliber now and so on.
          But the inability to have ground-based medium-range ballistic missiles is bad request
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar 15 December 2015 23: 03 New
            -3
            Quote: Wiruz
            But the inability to have ground-based medium-range ballistic missiles is bad

            What exactly? For the organization of the nuclear doomsday and ICBMs are excellent, but for other purposes medium-range ballistic missiles are not needed, in general.
            1. Ze Kot
              Ze Kot 16 December 2015 10: 36 New
              +1
              Hitting targets in Europe
              1. Kalmar
                Kalmar 17 December 2015 21: 03 New
                0
                Quote: The Cat
                Hitting targets in Europe

                Which one? After the collapse of the USSR, European armies completely withered; even with any limit like Libya and Syria it is unprofitable for them to compete. The USA does not hold former contingents in Europe. And a couple of dozen GBI missile defense systems of the American missile defense system are a very weak argument in favor of the need for INFs: the cost of restoring their production will be unreasonably high, not to mention the political consequences.
    5. Tor5
      Tor5 15 December 2015 19: 10 New
      +1
      A shtatovtsam just meow, not even understanding what.
    6. Altona
      Altona 15 December 2015 19: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      There are places and situations where it is better to launch from land.

      ---------------------
      The value of the article is that the argument is given by a scientist, moreover, an American one, moreover, unbiased. That is, solid technical and legal arguments and not a word of propaganda.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 15 December 2015 21: 30 New
        0
        Altona

        There are enough such articles. Yes, and opinions of this kind, too. Therefore, the value of identity is conditional. And the value of the article should be manifested on the degree of influence on the public, as a resource of knowledge, for decision-making. What is not observed. Unfortunately.
      2. Volzhanin
        Volzhanin 15 December 2015 21: 48 New
        0
        Yes, you won’t refuse Merikos logic! Just Captain Obvious!
        laughing
        It is a pity that the rest Anglomericos commonsense sold loot.
    7. Simple
      Simple 15 December 2015 20: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: Vladimirets
      And the Yankees are not hinting at the Club, which can stand everywhere?

      no no club.

      Club reality given to Americans in the feeling:


      On the cropped version of Topol-M
      (there is such a disaster for solid propellant rocket engines - not adjustable traction)
      And we don’t have an RMND (ground-based) under the agreement



      and cannot be
      Quote: Author - "Expert"
      Expert: Why does Russia, which has a "caliber", violate the INF Treaty?

      because STO


      Yes and missile defense still (from which the United States left)

      In general, the author is an "expert" in the field of sex or fast food nutrition. There, I had to write

      Quote: Author- "Expert"
      So why did Russia need the similarity of the “Caliber” when it has the “Caliber” itself? Placing these cruise missiles at sea does not violate the INF Treaty.

      The stump is clear.
      Look here:

      now here:

      -------------------------------------
      Our beautifully bypassed the INF, in terms of ground launchers.
      It is such a container: as if for sea transportation, but also for cars, railway simultaneously
      ZM-14 nysy showed the range of 1500-2000km.
      what else is needed for "happiness"? wink
  2. Atrix
    Atrix 15 December 2015 18: 20 New
    24
    Only the United States is profitable to withdraw from this treaty. Because now NATO is on the borders of Russia, and Russia cannot deliver missiles near the United States. And the fate of Europe, the United States is of little interest)
  3. sever.56
    sever.56 15 December 2015 18: 21 New
    11
    It’s just that the Americans are trying to cover up their deployment with missile defense systems, updating the nuclear arsenal in Europe and concentrating their forces on the borders with Russia.
  4. EFA
    EFA 15 December 2015 18: 21 New
    10
    Yes, everything is simple, Washington is blaming us in order to have a good reason to violate this agreement.
    Indeed, the West is already “sure” that we treacherously trampled upon this treaty. Thanks to the media.
  5. LukaSaraev
    LukaSaraev 15 December 2015 18: 22 New
    +4
    So I want to quote my favorite characters:
    - Abdullah, you have affectionate wives!
    - I give you them !!
    If the Caliber is covered BEFORE Spain, then the same Latvia or Lithuania should breathe. That is, it’s all flown over and ... How many are there from Sakhalin to Los Angeles?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 15 December 2015 18: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: LukaSaraev
      How many are there from Sakhalin to Los Angeles?

      Under 8000km. wink
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 15 December 2015 21: 04 New
        0
        Just under the ICBM! laughing That's just to shoot such without nuclear weapons equipment a little expensive. And with nuclear weapons it’s dumb! laughing
    2. cuzmin.mihail2013
      cuzmin.mihail2013 15 December 2015 18: 39 New
      +3
      Latvia and Lithuania breathe only at the direction of the SGA. And about the “Caliber” for them, if anything, will cost! Not enough, even on these puppets, good to translate!
      As for “Threatens most of Europe and US allies in East Asia”, then the SGA is clearly not concerned about the allies, but about its bases, which, I think, will not be very sweet from RSD.
      1. slaw14
        slaw14 15 December 2015 18: 53 New
        +4
        Latvia, Lithuania ... Have you at least told me the ignorant where these super states are located and what role they play in our world?
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 15 December 2015 18: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: LukaSaraev
      How many are there from Sakhalin to Los Angeles?



      Ours over the Atlantic fly, and go under water ... So not only Los Angeles is listed in Central Administration ...

      However, this is not enough near their territory, which is why they are so insanely fearless, arrogant and stubborn ...
      1. Atrix
        Atrix 15 December 2015 19: 09 New
        +2
        The problem is that from Latvia to Moscow there are 600-800 kilometers, and from Estonia to Peter 130-300km. So it’s better not to give the US a reason to break this treaty and renew it by all means.
  6. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 15 December 2015 18: 22 New
    11
    We are not breaking anything ... Although yes, the West has ceased to sleep peacefully! And what to do, who is easy now? hi
    1. Freelancer7
      Freelancer7 16 December 2015 02: 25 New
      -1
      One thing is not clear how they flew 1500km. After all, Onyx, Caliber - up to 300km can only.


      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 16 December 2015 11: 04 New
        +1
        One thing is not clear how they flew 1500km. After all, Onyx, Caliber - up to 300km can only.

        Well, yes, since Wikipedia says 300km means 300km!
        And do not care that it says "TTX for export-executed missiles" nearby!
        And do not care that Caliber is largely a development of the Pomegranate, which still in that countryarmed with SBC, flew at 2500-3000km!
        And even more so, that the Pomegranate / Caliber is our copy of the American Tomahawk, which has been flying for several decades at 1500-2500km!

        In general, do not care: 300 - then 300 !!! fool
  7. dorz
    dorz 15 December 2015 18: 22 New
    +9
    And Russia also has an X-102 with a range of 5,5 thousand kilometers ....
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 15 December 2015 18: 38 New
      +5
      And Russia also has an X-102 with a range of 5,5 thousand kilometers ....

      Now it’s clear why they didn’t take you to spy bully fool
  8. wandlitz
    wandlitz 15 December 2015 18: 25 New
    +4
    The cap is on the thief, the Russian proverb says. So Americans really are poop they want to cover up.
  9. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 15 December 2015 18: 26 New
    +3
    In addition, the “version of the Caliber with a nuclear warhead (and the possibility of such a modification was confirmed by Russian President Vladimir Putin) may have a longer range than those used in Syria, i.e. over 2,5 thousand km ",

    Yes, it’s time for a long time to equip some of these missiles with a “special warhead” and “warn” our NATO opponents about this, so that they will not have rest day or night ....
    1. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 15 December 2015 18: 35 New
      +2
      it’s time to equip some of these missiles with a “special warhead”

      Do you think you haven’t equipped it yet? Most likely there is such an opportunity, since it was incorporated in the structure initially at the design stage and the Yankees know this like no other, and therefore scream at all intersections.
      1. ILIA
        ILIA 16 December 2015 04: 24 New
        +1
        Everything has been done for a long time)))))
  10. Million
    Million 15 December 2015 18: 29 New
    +2
    Calibrate if that)))))
  11. Fight cat
    Fight cat 15 December 2015 18: 31 New
    +5
    we still have many different developments from which they have trouble sleeping, the imagination of our scientists has no limit !!! laughing
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 15 December 2015 18: 43 New
      0
      Yes, ekranoplan, for example. It’s a pity to hack the project.
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    3. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 15 December 2015 18: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: Fighting Cat
      we still have many different developments from which they have trouble sleeping, the imagination of our scientists has no limit !!! laughing

      Well, you just noticed ... Many developments, just pulled out of the cabinets in Khrushchev ... We were waiting in the wings! Thank you to everyone who did not let "sell everything" ... hi The West is simply in shock ... The military-industrial complex of the USSR was completely destroyed! RUSSIANS DO NOT GIVE UP, was our answer later ... soldier
  12. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 15 December 2015 18: 33 New
    +4
    Face off calibers? wink
  13. Rassamaha
    Rassamaha 15 December 2015 18: 33 New
    +1
    Russia jumped far ahead in the development of rocket science for this reason and the howling mattresses raised))))))))))
    you cannot catch us soldier
  14. Teplohod
    Teplohod 15 December 2015 18: 36 New
    +2
    As I understand it, you can have missile (s) ready to launch and destroy the target even now, but until it is officially accepted for service, the INF Treaty has not been violated.
    1. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 16 December 2015 10: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Teplohod
      until it is officially adopted, the INF Treaty has not been violated.

      Under the agreement, it is also impossible to develop and test the INF.
  15. DMB_95
    DMB_95 15 December 2015 18: 43 New
    +3
    Americans have already violated so many things that it is high time for Russia to forget about the treaties that are unnecessary to it. Why should we take care of the peace of the American NATO allies in Europe. Maybe for their sanctions. Let them sleep and twitch in a dream, fuck. And in reality too.
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 15 December 2015 22: 25 New
      +1
      The INF Treaty is beneficial only to the United States, due to the remoteness of its territory, and not at all because they are concerned about the struggle for peace. In view of the remoteness of the territory, they do not need medium-range missiles. And right next to us are France, England, possessing nuclear weapons and not signing any treaties. In addition, a host of hostile states dancing to the tune of the United States. The INF Treaty was imposed on us and signed by our extremely shortsighted leaders. I believe that we do not need this Agreement, it is harmful for us and we need to get out of it. The balance of power from this will change only in our favor, since such missiles are needed only by us.
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 December 2015 18: 48 New
    0
    The United States clings to the Kyrgyz Republic Iskander, which officially flies at 500km. And to the complex Rubezh.
  17. drundel861
    drundel861 15 December 2015 18: 52 New
    +1
    [quote = DMB_95] Americans have already violated so much of everything, that it is high time for Russia to forget about the agreements that it does not need. Why should we take care of the peace of the American NATO allies in Europe. Maybe for their sanctions. Let them sleep and twitch in a dream, fuck. And in reality too
    They think empty, think, and suffer, and what Russian Ivan had a dream in his dream, Caliber or not Caliber, but as the whole world knows, we even have periodic tables in the dream. wassat
  18. yuriy55
    yuriy55 15 December 2015 18: 56 New
    +1
    And Russia also has ... But to whom are we going to give lectures? Star-striped? If they are looking for the background in traditional words, what can we prove to them? What with x * yer fat not to push?

    You can not comply with the contract unilaterally. Russia's main claim in this regard, why the United States, contrary to the agreements and the dissolution of the Warsaw Treaty bloc, is expanding NATO possessions to the east? If against us, then there is nothing to cling to contracts ...

    Russia gave a snot abruptly and unexpectedly, so that they got used to everything ofigel from the passing 26 Caspian gifts? Gave ... They will get, still give. What did the president say? If you can’t avoid a fight, hit first. So stay away, be more whole.
  19. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 15 December 2015 19: 02 New
    0
    It makes no sense for Russia to violate the INF Treaty, which Washington constantly blames for it, since it has adopted the Caliber missiles, which are not subject to prohibition, said member of the Federation of American Scientists Hans Christensen.

    I liked the competent opinion of an American scientist, sane people still appear to be found in America. what
  20. Sergey333
    Sergey333 15 December 2015 19: 05 New
    +1
    Everything is very simple here: carriers for land variants of a rocket are orders of magnitude cheaper than ships, and there are usually no problems with the production of such carriers. This construction of each ship has been tortured for years, and with land equipment they run after the customers themselves, whom else to make. And for the violation of the INF Treaty, the Americans are not stupid, they understand that putting a caliber on a wheeled chassis is not a problem (there is a launcher option in the container).
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 15 December 2015 21: 17 New
      0
      The amers themselves were snooping specifically to the nines, the launchers for TNW are driven into Europe and without any checks declare that, like, there are no such launch vehicles in these launchers.
    2. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 15 December 2015 21: 17 New
      0
      The amers themselves were snooping specifically to the nines, the launchers for TNW are driven into Europe and without any checks declare that, like, there are no such launch vehicles in these launchers.
  21. Technologist
    Technologist 15 December 2015 19: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Million
    Calibrate if that)))))


    .........., and then we’ll expand))))
  22. red_october
    red_october 15 December 2015 19: 14 New
    +5
    Why should Russia, with its Caliber, violate the INF Treaty?

    It is Russia that does not "violate" the INF Treaty.
    She violates American peace by the very fact of her existence.
    The fact that he can suddenly do something solely in his own interests.

    Disgrace, in general.
  23. Old26
    Old26 15 December 2015 19: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: hedgehog in the fog
    the Yankees themselves do not know what to hint at, but hint at something, because the toad strangles that everything is simple and effective with us

    Then I agree with you. The usual excuse for Americans sounds something like this: We know that you developed and tested a rocket that violates the Treaty..
    When asked what kind of rocket this sounds like the following: well you know what we are talking about.

    In general, the INF Treaty is an agreement where both we and the Americans regularly blame each other. We are in violation of them "spirit of the Treaty", that is, in the creation and testing of target missiles with the BRPS parameters, they are in violation of us "letters of the Treaty", namely, in the creation of missiles falling under the parameters of the Treaty.

    Both sides have been “buttered” for 10-15 years, and both sides, apart from talking, cannot present anything to the other side.

    Quote: st25310
    The monstrous blow of the “Coalition”: the first-ever self-propelled guns showed live fire to the “Star”

    And where does the "Coalition"? Or does it already apply to medium-range missiles ????

    Quote: Wiruz
    Many mothers swear the INF Treaty precisely because of the impossibility of having medium / short-range ballistic missiles

    Actually, the RSMD Treaty on short-range missiles do not apply if that
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 15 December 2015 22: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      We know that you have developed and tested a rocket that violates the Treaty.
      When asked what kind of rocket this sounds like the following: well, you know that we know what this is about.

      I also know what kind of missile the Americans are talking about and know - RS-26 Rubezh. True, she is seven thousandth. Americans trynd, which is able to fall three times earlier. What is the division for the ICBM on range? Purely theoretically, isn’t ICBM capable of making a revolution around the ball and falling at the launch point? Yes easily.
  24. Old26
    Old26 15 December 2015 19: 28 New
    +5
    Quote: Atrix
    Only the United States is profitable to withdraw from this treaty. Because now NATO is on the borders of Russia, and Russia cannot deliver missiles near the United States. And the fate of Europe, the United States is of little interest)

    Nevertheless, we, especially in the Internet community, have a huge number of people who are right there REQUEST to withdraw from this agreement without thinking about the consequences ...

    Quote: Alexandr2637
    Yes, it’s time for a long time to equip some of these missiles with a “special warhead” and “warn” our NATO opponents about this, so that they will not have rest day or night ....

    That is, the first to violate all agreements ??? Here are just a tiny detail. Caliber we have very, very few in order to equip some of them with nuclear warheads. And the Americans "Tomahawks" about 5000. Who is more profitable to equip cruise missiles in the Navy fleet ???

    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    Face off calibers?

    Is it worth it? Quantitatively, this is not in our favor ...

    Quote: Rassamaha
    Russia has leaped far ahead in rocket science for this reason and the howling mattresses raised

    Russia jumped ???? Where??? Or do you think CALIBERS some wunderwaffe, how many here? So I'm afraid to disappoint you. Americans have the same "tomahawks" in the amount of about 5000 pieces. And they have more than a hundred carriers, against our ten and a half.
    So where did Russia jump ?? Or do you think that Iskander is something supernatural ???

    Quote: Teplohod
    As I understand it, you can have missile (s) ready to launch and destroy the target even now, but until it is officially accepted for service, the INF Treaty has not been violated.

    Broken. Forbidden development, testing and arming

    Quote: DMB_95
    Americans have already violated so many things that it’s time for Russia to forget about the contracts that it doesn’t need

    I must upset you. No one at VO at my request to cite examples of violation by the Americans of the Strategic Arms Treaties has ever cited examples. I think that you will not bring. Violation by the Americans of the Strategic Arms Treaties in the blogosphere is the most common, but alas, fake.

    Quote: Zaurbek
    The United States clings to the Kyrgyz Republic Iskander, which officially flies at 500km. And to the complex Rubezh.

    Unofficially too. By the way, the US Ministry of Defense never clung to the Iskander and the Boundary. Here are the media and their Senate / Congress - yes. But these clowns are akin to our Duma. Attention to them should not be paid. Needed, they butt on the telegraph pole
  25. uge.garik
    uge.garik 15 December 2015 19: 33 New
    -2
    ... what about container-based missiles ..? - A standard (40-pound or more) sea container is taken .., and the containers are delivered by car and train. transport ... but the containers are sea, which means the sea base and home port are sea cargo terminals ... - everything is in the State Department, everything is for Psachi ...
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 15 December 2015 22: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: uge.garik
      ... what about container-based missiles ..? - A standard (40-pound or more) sea container is taken .., and the containers are delivered by car and train. transport ... but the containers are sea, which means the sea base and home port are sea cargo terminals ... - everything is in the State Department, everything is for Psachi ...


      Your line of reasoning reminds me of the postman Pechkin, when he was presented with a besku.
      "Oh! I had field mail, and now the sea will be!"
  26. Old26
    Old26 15 December 2015 19: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: yuriy55
    Russia's main claim in this regard, why the United States, contrary to the agreements and the dissolution of the Warsaw Treaty bloc, is expanding NATO possessions to the east?

    That's just an agreement was verbal. Not binding on the other side. For this we must thank Mikhail Sergeyevich and his team

    Quote: uge.garik
    ... what about container-based missiles ..? - A standard (40-pound or more) sea container is taken .., and the containers are delivered by car and train. transport ... but the containers are sea, which means the sea base and home port are sea cargo terminals ... - everything is in the State Department, everything is for Psachi ...

    Container-based is the biggest nonsense Russia could invent. And God forbid they appear (by the way, they were offered exclusively for poor countries that do not have their own fleet). We open the Pandora’s box, not thinking about the consequences ...
    1. fif21
      fif21 15 December 2015 20: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Container based is the biggest nonsense
      They can be delivered to the territory of the enemy before the hour "H" and then just activate. lol
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 15 December 2015 22: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: fif21
        Quote: Old26
        Container based is the biggest nonsense
        They can be delivered to the territory of the enemy before the hour "H" and then just activate. lol


        Now tell us: how are containers delivered to the territory of another state?

        I’ll hint.
        Port.
        Customs
        X-ray inspection complex with 9 MeV energy and consumption in 150-200kVA. Instead of 40cm of steel - through and through.

        Can we learn to turn on the brain? Well, to try the gray substance "just activate"?
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    3. fif21
      fif21 15 December 2015 20: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      That's just an agreement was verbal. Non-binding to the other side
      Well, we need to withdraw from the contracts in writing. NATO is expanding east and this is real. The answer should be tough.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 15 December 2015 22: 16 New
        0
        Russia's exit from the INF Treaty is just Amer’s hand! They will put their Tomahawks along the new borders with a flight time of about an hour, they will poke ballistic balloons - less than half an hour to the target! And what are you hiding? The contract should be kept as long as possible. And neighbors can be kept in shape with conventional weapons and a trained army! They, neighbors, have not relaxed for the past two years.
      2. mav1971
        mav1971 15 December 2015 22: 30 New
        0
        Quote: fif21
        Quote: Old26
        That's just an agreement was verbal. Non-binding to the other side
        Well, we need to withdraw from the contracts in writing. NATO is expanding east and this is real. The answer should be tough.



        What will we answer?

        Gauges or what? So already said 100 times. that they are single with us. And they have no real role in intimidating the enemy in the form of Europe.
        Yes, and they are old in concept and characteristics. the end of 70, the beginning of 80 years - from real age.
        True, for this you need to know the structure of NATO air defense and the characteristics of the Caliber.
        What, as I see it. 95% of users of the site somehow fail!
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  27. mav1971
    mav1971 15 December 2015 22: 53 New
    +4
    Everyone who dreams about a wunderwaffe and what would the enemy be on its territory.
    Balm is easy!
    wink

    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 15 December 2015 23: 38 New
      +1
      Sometimes fantasies turn into reality.
    2. PROXOR
      PROXOR 16 December 2015 10: 29 New
      0
      Quote: mav1971
      Everyone who dreams about a wunderwaffe and what would the enemy be on its territory.
      Balm is easy!



      In principle, there is nothing difficult to implement. Quadrocopter drivers in bulk. The 6-barrel gun pleased either the 45 mm or 57 mm campaign. Quick fire is just class. The aircraft carrier could not be drowned, but captured as a trophy after losing half of the wing and the possibility to take off. Flying artillery. In general, super mego. Noble prodigy.
  28. Old26
    Old26 15 December 2015 22: 55 New
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    Quote: Just
    In general, the author is an "expert" in the field of sex or fast food nutrition. There, I had to write

    In fact, he is a specialist in strategic weapons. When we cite his data as an example, for some reason we do not consider him an expert in the field of sex or fast food. Well, here, of course, where is he going to go to our WASH experts ...

    Quote: Just
    Our beautifully bypassed the INF, in terms of ground launchers.

    Much prettier. The container complex was offered exclusively for export. For the underdeveloped countries that have no money not to maintain a fleet, nor coastal troops. Not adopted by any country in the world. Like not bought. The country that applied such a complex is doomed to total destruction ... Why - think for yourself

    Quote: EFA
    Yes, everything is simple, Washington accuses us in order to have a good reason to violate this agreement

    We blame each other for violating this agreement for at least 15 years. And neither side provides evidence

    Quote: sharp-lad
    The amers themselves were snooping specifically to the nines, the launchers for TNW are driven into Europe and without any checks declare that, like, there are no such launch vehicles in these launchers.

    But at the same time, how tricky, no words. They put these launchers in such a place that, in principle, they can’t get the defense industry facilities in Russia. Tricky - they’re terrifying ... No, to put launchers 500 km to the north, they put it in such a place that these CDs flew into Russia 30-50 km, not further

    Quote: Atrix
    The problem is that from Latvia to Moscow there are 600-800 kilometers, and from Estonia to Peter 130-300km. So it’s better not to give the US a reason to break this treaty and renew it by all means.

    Well, at least one person adequately assesses the situation without hatred. Bravo
  29. Old26
    Old26 15 December 2015 22: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: fif21
    Quote: Old26
    Container based is the biggest nonsense
    They can be delivered to the territory of the enemy before the hour "H" and then just activate. lol

    Well, you need to understand that the second container, where the control system is located, still has a radar and triggers and you don’t know the calculation ... It’s sad

    Quote: fif21
    Quote: Old26
    That's just an agreement was verbal. Non-binding to the other side
    Well, we need to withdraw from the contracts in writing. NATO is expanding east and this is real. The answer should be tough.

    From the INF Treaty? Yes easily. But you don’t even take the trouble to read what others write, the same comrade Atrix
    And he writes very correct and smart things. The fact that the withdrawal from the Treaty is beneficial exclusively to America, that as a result of the withdrawal of their treaty we will get American missiles on the borders of the Baltic countries. And the flight time to Moscow and Leningrad will be 2-3 minutes. And all these missiles will be covered up to the Urals.
    And in response, what can we do if we produce half a hundred strategic missiles in a year? Or medium-range missiles appear at the click of a finger ???
  30. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 16 December 2015 10: 40 New
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    "According to him, the Caliber will receive" both the Northern Fleet (Kola Peninsula), and the Baltic (Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg), and the Black Sea (Sevastopol and Novorossiysk), and the Caspian [Caspian Flotilla] (Makhachkala), and the Pacific (Vladivostok and Petropavlovsk). ""


    Will receive? The rocket was developed in 1983, but get it just now?
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    Old26 16 December 2015 20: 09 New
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    Quote: The Cat
    "According to him, the Caliber will receive" both the Northern Fleet (Kola Peninsula), and the Baltic (Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg), and the Black Sea (Sevastopol and Novorossiysk), and the Caspian [Caspian Flotilla] (Makhachkala), and the Pacific (Vladivostok and Petropavlovsk). ""

    Will receive? The rocket was developed in 1983, but get it just now?

    This? Not. In 1983, the development of the rocket in the R&D Turquoise began (3M51, the name Alpha). In 1993, Alpha was shown at the MAX. And only then the development of the family on the Caliber development work was started using the developments on the Turquoise development work (both design work are combined). The family received the general name "Caliber". The complex includes 5 types of missiles with modifications: 2 anti-ship, 2 anti-submarine and 1 type for coastal shooting.