In VOE completed sending for disposal of obsolete ammunition

In the Eastern District, the shipment of obsolete ammunition to specialized enterprises for their further disposal has been fully completed, RIA News Post BBO.

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“Since the beginning of the year, more than 17 thousand tons of obsolete ammunition from warehouses and arsenals of the Eastern Military District have been sent to specialized enterprises in the Khabarovsk Territory, Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod, Kaliningrad regions, the Republics of Mari El and Bashkortostan,” the release says.

It is noted that "government contracts for the sending of obsolete mines and shells from the bases of storage of rocket-artillery weapons of the BB, are 100% complete."

"The participation of conscripts in the disposal of obsolete ammunition is completely excluded," the press service stressed.

"The full production cycle for the disposal of ammunition is assigned to employees of outside organizations," - said in a statement.

Comments

[Irbenwolf]

I always wondered, why should the old ammunition be disposed of? Maybe it’s just more often necessary to drive conscripts to the firing range ...

[Teberii]

Because old, not regular operation of an ammunition can lead to death of people.

[Umnichka]

Dispose of as much as possible at landfills and in local conflicts after approximately 70-80% of the service life of the PSU. In Syria, for example. Significantly cheaper and more useful on all sides (except for ISIS and others).

[Eugene-Eugene]

Maximum utilization at landfills and in local conflicts after approximately 70-80% BP service life

I don't think you can put it on stream. The army is not a small private enterprise where all resources can be used with maximum efficiency. She is clumsy, bureaucratized, significantly immobilized by peacetime, burdened with a complex logistics system in which the devil breaks his leg. And this applies to any army in the world. In Israel, even then a mess is periodically found, although the local Armed Forces are far from a "millionaire".

[crazyrom]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

Because old, not regular operation of an ammunition can lead to death of people.

It is necessary a little in advance, if the term of 20 is over the years, then send summer shells to the landfills of 15-17.

And if they have failed to shoot something, they should be showered on the bandits in Syria, right from IL-76. I think even tank shells, if they are properly thrown nose down, will explode perfectly and someone will be beaten on the ground, after falling from a height from the 5-7km, then they have a plumage.

No, throwing it with your hands, but somehow automatically, well, just like bombs from airplanes are dropped.

[Homo]

Quote: Teberii

Because old, not regular operation of an ammunition can lead to death of people.

+, the time of disposal by shooting was lost during the EBN.

[Lyapis]

I always wondered, why should the old ammunition be disposed of? Maybe it’s just more often necessary to drive conscripts to the firing range ...

Well, probably because a projectile with an expired shelf life has all chances to explode right in the barrel, not to shoot a cartridge, and a rocket to fly away and not explode ...
Sometimes the transportation of such ammunition becomes dangerous, not like use.

[GRAY]

Quote: IrbenWolf

I always wondered, why should the old ammunition be disposed of?

The properties of gunpowder change over time. Possible excesses.
At 4:40 there will be a boom:

I don't understand why they are yelling. "Armata !!!" - whether?

[Vadim237]

Is this for sure APU?

[GRAY]

Quote: Vadim237

Is this for sure APU?

Who cares?
An expired powder charge can acquire brisant properties, regardless of who uses it.

[armourer]

Quite right, during the arson, there is no expulsion by powder gases. And with the powder there is a detonating effect

[Mountain shooter]

Shouting "Garmat" is a Ukrop-style weapon.

[KBR109]

It seems not a howitzer, but an anti-tank MT-12 rapier.

[fyvaprold]

Quote: KBR109

It seems not a howitzer, but an anti-tank MT-12 rapier.

This Msta-B, MT-12 is more squat, plus a recoil device above the barrel and a muzzle brake are clearly not "Rapiers". Sincerely.

[gjv]

Quote: KBR109

It seems not a howitzer, but an anti-tank MT-12

Well no, , look at the size of the POW knurl above the barrel. It's not like 100mm Rapiers. This is a howitzer, from afar the type is not very clear, but either the D-20 or 2A65 Msta-B, and for other types the front carriage frame would be very noticeable.

[KBR109]

I agree - this is towed by the MSTA. MT-12 is clearly lower.

[igor67]

They shout Garmata, that is, a tool in Russian

[moskowit]

Because there have been and still exist norms for strategic reserves and resources. Everything has long been calculated how much should be for each barrel and for how long, in case of war and the transfer of industry to the production of military products. These reserves are so large that it is simply not possible to "shoot" them in peacetime. All local conflicts in the former Soviet space were and are now being conducted (to our great regret) with these reserves, and not only in the post-Soviet ...

[bulvas]

For disposal ... to Syria?

[V.ic]

Quote: IrbenWolf

Why do I need to dispose of old ammunition? Maybe it’s just more often necessary to drive conscripts to the firing range ..

How will it be in light of the disposal of anti-personnel mines?

[cap]

"The full production cycle for the disposal of ammunition is assigned to employees of outside organizations," - said in a statement.
Organizations. Outsiders! The Syrian army is not an organization?
read carefully

[Alexey RA]

Quote: IrbenWolf

I always wondered, why should the old ammunition be disposed of? Maybe it’s just more often necessary to drive conscripts to the firing range ...

And this depends on how long the utilized PSU has.
If the shelf life is not exceeded, then it can be used for combat training. But here, all sorts of cases are possible - at the same naval exercises such BPs often behave abnormally (we know better about emergency situations at naval exercises, because they are better covered).
If the shelf life is exceeded, then only disposal. For X is his Z - to what extent the ammunition and its filling have degraded, and whether he will explode during a shot / launch. And if a shot occurs, will the fuse work normally when it contacts the target, or will the PSU become a trap for the target team.
In Donbass, they tried to shoot out expired "flies" - they either did not hit, or did not explode. At 08.08.08, the overdue ATGMs simply did not start.

[Homo]

Quote: IrbenWolf

I always wondered, why should the old ammunition be disposed of?

And how do you like that! Why destroy expired products, let's give you back! You will be in the role of laboratory rats, you may survive or maybe not!

[Teberii]

New weapons require new ammunition, as well as storage space.

[maks-101]

to Syria for disposal, the Syrian army will go.

[Stanislav 1978]

Quote: maks-xnumx

to Syria for disposal, the Syrian army will go.

What would the Syrians themselves be blown up on expired and substandard ammunition?

[st25310]

And why not in Syria or the Donbass?

[Shuttle]

Quote: st25310

And why not in Syria or the Donbass?

Because there those who we give them need ammunition suitable for 100%. And not like the Ukrainian army.

http://vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-9726.htm

[Engineer]

I hope these specialized enterprises of the DNI and LC are located)

[Vadim237]

It’s not acute there now, but as it becomes acute, the ammunition will appear.

[denni]

Better to have them "disposed of" at ISIS

[Strezhevchanin]

Question to all: Would you go on the attack with B.K. of the 70th year of release? Or did they prefer a newer one? Che damn for the question.

[Afotin]

Cartridges of the 70s of release are quite suitable. However, if we are talking about the example of fuses for grenades, then everything is complicated. Too old - it is not known how they will behave, and products from some batches produced in the early 90s are frankly scared to pick up.

[Mihalich17]

To their Syria (ammunition), say? )))
... I was especially pleased with the phrase - "The full production cycle for the disposal of ammunition is entrusted to employees of third-party organizations."
... You never know what we have in Syria "third-party organizations ..."
Although...
Maybe not organizations at all!)))

[Zomanus]

Yeah, they’re clearing arsenals.
To build new storage facilities for new ammunition.

[Starominchanin]

shaitan machine, for disposal

[pts-m]

The process is IMPRESSIVE!

[FIREMAN]

Well, it’s quite normal, burning without being emitted, cheap and cheerful. And small arms can also be destroyed, metal properties change, springs, barrels, etc. It’s quite reasonable.

[Starominchanin]

and shells something like this

[Corsair0304]

Delivering obsolete ammunition to allies is the last thing. Firstly, they will be offended, they say, why are you throwing off our trash, and secondly, in case of abnormal triggering, they will be offended and remembered, because no one wants to die from "friendly fire" or because the missile / shell / mine did not hit the ISIS bunker, and if it got , it did not explode as expected.
So let "third-party organizations" utilize for themselves.

[Starominchanin]

and so are our

[Markiz_A]

Why not transfer these ammunition, for example, to Syria or Iraq, but not after the expiration of the storage period, but for example a year or two before the expiration of the storage period. They will not be stored with them, they will be used immediately, especially since the SA is now experiencing a huge shortage of ammunition.

[BARKHAN]

With a shudder, I recall how Serdyukov, as a minister, wanted to send millions of Kalash to warehouses for re-melting. Interestingly, did Shoigu cancel this decree? Disposal of ammunition is right. But the country needs weapons!
For example ... even if in old weapons (mosinki, PPSh.nagan) drill holes in the trunks, that is, turn into a non-working state and sell in stores at reasonable prices, many will want to have ancestral weapons hanging on the wall for history and children. patriotic effect! And direct income, money! And not stupidly destroy ...
And since when did Kalash, Mosinka, SVT suddenly become "old and ineffective" weapons? Even now, they can safely arm their partisans.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Barkhan

With a shudder, I recall how Serdyukov, as a minister, wanted to send millions of Kalash to warehouses for re-melting.

More precisely, 4 million barrels produced before 1980. Of which AK made up 70% (and among the rest there were even "mosinki").
Despite the fact that in the warehouses of the Moscow Region there were about 17 million AK.

[WSW1WSW]

What to say about the "effective manager" Serdyukov? Enemy of the people. How else to perceive this and the like?

[Konstantin Yu]

Quote: denni

Better to have them "disposed of" at ISIS

.. Straight in the boxes, a bundle of felite, from a transport plane)))

[ILIA]

Maybe you shouldn’t dispose of it .. but put it again in reserve .. just in case ..

[dchegrinec]

To give the troops of Bashar al-Assad, they will quickly utilize them!

[ABVGDEZH]

I agree. And disposal would be cheaper and more profitable for business.

[Sasha75]

Gunpowder in shells always changed it was even in tsarist Russia the shelf life was expired, replaced with a new one and it was like that under the USSR. Our cartridges are designed for a long shelf life of decades, to verify their operational properties, they carry out firing with calibrated ammunition, that is, they compare what was fired today with those released in 60 and then they determine whether it is suitable for further storage or not. So, for example, cartridges 7.62x25 to TT. and the PPSh we stopped producing in 1985 released the last batch and since then they have been in storage as a mob reserve for pistols and machine guns. And yes, there is such a feature. The barrels of the guns explode, so they have a resource and they inspect it. I in the army examined the barrels of pistols and machine guns from the inside, there were cracked chips, and here the guns triple check the inspection of ammunition that was my responsibility. And now tell me, and the cannon was cleaned, before we shoot frost around the frost and in the barrel there is also frost and ice we see further. In Syria, they use guns from the Second World War and do not complain and shells there are the same age as these guns, well, about 10 years younger, that is, 50-60 years of release and everything should be sent normally, and not only be disposed of there, they will only say thank you.

[Vladycat]

Dispose of. Civilization has arrived. I remember the dashing 90s. When several years in a row, suspiciously arsenals in the Far East flew into the air. Even in the city limits of the city of Vladivostok (we sat on the bench as the boys and looked at the glow behind the neighboring hill). It was an interesting time.

[zadorin1974]

Come on, the 90s. All five years passed, when our glasses stopped shaking and the roofs bounced. Sarapul art warehouses near Markovsky were destroyed by explosions (on the territory of the former 16 tank). And they carried shells in columns along central roads and through the Votkinsk hydroelectric station (several since vehicles with ammunition were participants in an accident, as they say, then they are in someone, then themselves). Although they put things in order in the disposal.

[m262]

I was also surprised: I’ve been shelling for 50 years, I’ve re-melted 2.5 / 1.5 of the 1943 model for a year!
Photo from the charge yard:

[m262]

Found something to brag about: 50 year old shells are disposed of!
I have been transported for a year to the PTABs of 1943:

[m262]

I apologize for the "repetition" in the explanations for the photo! damn android ...
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