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Russian Ambassador in Ankara named three conditions for warming Russian-Turkish relations

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US President Barack Obama said that the US coalition is “successful struggle” with the terrorist group Islamic State (DAISH). According to Obama, more bombs have been dropped on the position of terrorists over the last month than in any other such period of time of the anti-terrorist operation. RIA News gives a fragment of the statement of the “exceptional” president:


We pursue the IG more actively than before. Our fighters, bombers and UAVs increased air strikes. In November, as many bombs were dropped on the IG position as they had not been dropped for any other month since the beginning of the campaign.


At the same time, Barack Obama announced that the US is working with Turkey to close the Turkish-Syrian border. According to Obama, Kurdish militiamen are actively helping in this. At the same time, the American president did not specify whether the Kurdish militia helped the fact that Turkish airplanes dropped bombs on him, and that a real military operation was being conducted in the east of Turkey itself against the Kurds ...

The Russian ambassador to Turkey, Andrei Karlov, meanwhile, declared three conditions that Ankara must fulfill in order for Russian-Turkish relations to warm.

Russian Ambassador in Ankara named three conditions for warming Russian-Turkish relations


It turns out that for warming it is enough for the Turkish authorities to apologize officially for the downed aircraft, to compensate for its loss before the Russian Aerospace Force of the Russian Federation and punish the perpetrators of the death of the pilot and marine. If Ankara will go on such conditions, then for any other country it can become a precedent - shoot down aircraft, apologize, and then shoot down again and again - with a “pure soul”. Frankly, a somewhat strange position of Russian diplomacy.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 15 December 2015 06: 52
    0
    The requirements put forward to the Turks are not enough in my opinion, but rightly, the big giraffe knows better.
    1. Constructor1
      Constructor1 15 December 2015 06: 59
      52
      Frankly, a somewhat strange position of Russian diplomacy.

      What is the oddity? Is there anything to declare war?

      But the punishment of ALL perpetrators + compensation (so many times higher than the cost of losses) - is mandatory! Then there will be no one who wants to just shoot down other people's planes!
      1. Voha_krim
        Voha_krim 15 December 2015 07: 33
        11
        Quote: Designer 1
        Frankly, a somewhat strange position of Russian diplomacy.

        What is the oddity? Is there anything to declare war?

        But the punishment of ALL perpetrators + compensation (so many times higher than the cost of losses) - is mandatory! Then there will be no one who wants to just shoot down other people's planes!

        Only Turkey never apologizes (remember the Armenian Genocide). But if they apologize, which I doubt, then let Erdogan, Dovutoglu and the like resign. Only then, maybe there will be a warming.
        1. Throw
          Throw 15 December 2015 07: 55
          46
          Generally no one apologizes.
          Did the states apologize for the downed pass liner? Or hoxles for a carcass shot down in general out of the blue?
          The mentality is not that of pigs to apologize ...

          P. S. Forgive me, pigs, I'm not talking about animals! laughing
        2. KVS
          KVS 15 December 2015 20: 09
          0
          so if Turkey officially apologizes, it will be a recognition of the full recognition of what the Russian Federation accuses it of today, which means Erdogan will have to leave ...
          and he (Erdogan) will never do this ...
      2. cap
        cap 15 December 2015 07: 55
        +5
        Obviously unacceptable for TURKISH ..... (ANY OFFICE)
        After that, he won’t go outside. Only in a tank ride around the capital laughing
      3. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 15 December 2015 08: 18
        +4
        We must punish .... and the point. They had the opportunity, now our move ..... and it will definitely be a matter of time.
      4. The comment was deleted.
      5. 3axap82
        3axap82 15 December 2015 08: 59
        -1
        Whose guilty party is this? Erdogan as the supreme commander? They will not give out.
        This is when there is a war, unit commanders themselves give orders to shoot down, to fire. In short, the war is going on - fight give orders in accordance with the situation and plans of the command.
        And in the event of such a provocation, the order was given by the top leadership of the country.
        Request extradition of a pilot? The pilot is just a performer.
        Money can be requested.
      6. Vend
        Vend 15 December 2015 09: 38
        +2
        Quote: Designer 1
        Frankly, a somewhat strange position of Russian diplomacy.

        What is the oddity? Is there anything to declare war?

        But the punishment of ALL perpetrators + compensation (so many times higher than the cost of losses) - is mandatory! Then there will be no one who wants to just shoot down other people's planes!

        The author of the article artificially wants to increase passions on this issue.
      7. go21zd45few
        go21zd45few 15 December 2015 12: 17
        +5
        Mr. Karlov, what kind of nonsense are you talking about, what are the three conditions. We were spat in the face, destroyed the plane and killed two servicemen of Russia, and you offer for apologies and punishments of the guilty as well as compensation for the downed plane,
        to establish relations with Turkey. Well, we will receive an apology, they will find and punish the guilty, although Erdogan does not need to look for the guilty, and they will pay compensation for the plane. Is it not too cheap you value the lives of our people killed
        Turks, how do you compensate parents, children and wives, the loss of their fathers, husbands,
        sons and brothers. Such losses are not measured by apologies, much less by finances. Human life without is valuable. You need to speak with the Turks only from a position of strength.
        1. your1970
          your1970 15 December 2015 19: 17
          0
          You see, if everyone who spits in the direction of Russia is beaten on the head, our children will live in a nuclear winter-sad, but true ..
          Find and read how the Americans bombed our airfield in the 50s and how the IVS reacted to this ... But, after all, he could already "Bang !!!" ...
      8. Vikings
        Vikings 15 December 2015 16: 39
        0
        + Predictability, in actions.
        emo. Discuss the full range of problems!
      9. The black
        The black 15 December 2015 18: 08
        +1
        ... plus p.p.o.h.s. Erdogan .. laughing
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 December 2015 07: 06
      19
      Frankly, a somewhat strange position of Russian diplomacy.
      why is it strange? adequate. Or do you need to knead the global war, and burn it all with fire, and do not need an apology? fool Unknown author, do not touch our diplomatic corps, it works many times better, and more adequate than the western ...
      1. Kazakh
        Kazakh 15 December 2015 09: 07
        11
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Unknown author, do not touch our diplomatic corps, it works many times better, and more adequate than the western ...

        especially in Ukraine over the past 25 years.
        1. 3axap82
          3axap82 15 December 2015 13: 50
          0
          Great point. You can’t say more.
    3. theadenter
      theadenter 15 December 2015 07: 47
      +9
      The conditions are correct. Do not forget that to apologize - you must admit your guilt.
      After all the lies, this apology will be like self-sacrifice of Turkey. And a serious sign for other states.
    4. Samaritan
      Samaritan 15 December 2015 08: 20
      +2
      The Turks are sitting on the powder keg, they rejoice that we will throw a light:

    5. Voltsky
      Voltsky 15 December 2015 09: 01
      -6
      magnificent requirements;) their fulfillment will cost Taipych his head in the political sense, and therefore are not feasible, but the fact that they are expressed means that Putya does not want to conflict, and that Taipych does not need to buy red ties anymore. but this of course :)
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 15 December 2015 17: 56
        -1
        and then they threw minuses from the heart, from the heart :) to see beyond the Way, you guys do not iconify GDP. Atom so to the court of lynching come for the mention of Putin in Suah. Regarding the topic, well, the Russian Federation can safely say that it has done everything possible to reconcile with the people of Turkey; but the aggressive marginal is heating up the situation. There you can just point out that Taipich social miscarriage.
        1. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 16 December 2015 01: 20
          0
          Quote: Voletsky
          and then they threw minuses from the heart, from the heart :) to see beyond the Way, you guys do not iconify GDP. Atom so to the court of lynching come for the mention of Putin in Suah. Regarding the topic, well, the Russian Federation can safely say that it has done everything possible to reconcile with the people of Turkey; but the aggressive marginal is heating up the situation. There you can just point out that Taipich social miscarriage.

          You just add popularity to your feces to Putin laughing
          1. Voltsky
            Voltsky 16 December 2015 01: 47
            0
            where do I live, where is Putin ?! I respect him, but I understand that he will de facto not act in the interests of Latvia. Well, against, yes, with our politicians, enemies are not necessary. He is parallel to me, so clever man-president of another country. This is in Ukraine he is an 'evil omnipotent deity' :) + We have no general hostility towards Russia, but there are, of course, but from Russia I often hear 'are you from Latvia? Well, it means a fascist, and this is despite the fact that I am Russian "from which the question arises whether the Russians themselves were infected with exclusivity and" we are all right. " The madmen created a cult for themselves, and believed that there were enemies around, but this is not so, in the world many simply do not care, but here it turns out who is not with us is against us. In Russia, they struggle so hard with the mattress that they themselves quietly turn into it, and it seems that this is precisely what Path does not want. Gggg .... well, here's the loss with a crush in the queue, cons will fly. wink
            1. Skifotavr
              Skifotavr 16 December 2015 02: 30
              0
              Everything has changed dramatically for you. Now it turns out that I have Putin "an evil omnipotent deity", but you have him already "an intelligent man-president of another country"? And the previous comments are no longer corrected! laughing
              1. Voltsky
                Voltsky 16 December 2015 02: 47
                0
                read them again old man :) + smart way with me and not with us, we have enough of our Svidomo :) about "you" I judge by the flag of the Square, but how do you personally xs and do not care, even pray for him. I just often came across after the words "Rashka, path" with sectarians with foam at the mouth :) and this is surprising, I don't really give a shit about him from Russia. In my former team, we looked at the confrontation between Russia and the West with a sporting interest and nothing more, in disputes I put both against it and for. Now Rashka reminds me of Carthage, although the barbs of the way towards kerry hint about problems of mattress mats, or hint at problems of the current mattress administration. In general, it will be expensive to see
                1. Skifotavr
                  Skifotavr 16 December 2015 03: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Voletsky
                  read them again old man :) + smart way from me and not from us, we have enough of our Svidomo :) about "you" I judge by the flag of the Square, but how do you personally do not care, even pray for him. I just often came across after the words "Rashka, path" with sectarians with foam at the mouth :) and this is surprising, I don't really give a shit about him.

                  Believe me, I don’t give a damn about you and your Latvian flag (I tried not to judge by it laughing ), and on your inadequate and inconsistent vyser.
    6. Kazakh
      Kazakh 15 December 2015 09: 06
      +3
      Quote: avvg
      the big giraffe knows better.

      The giraffe may know better, but the horses carrying the "war" do not seem fair. Let's, for example, kill one such clever diplomat and then apologize and reimburse the funeral expenses.
    7. Lelek
      Lelek 15 December 2015 09: 09
      +4
      Quote: avvg
      The requirements put forward to the Turks are not enough in my opinion, but rightly, the big giraffe knows better.


      The requirements are fair, but there will be no previous relations with Turkey, we have a good memory of betrayal. Well, personally, we have Erdogan blacklisted forever.
      (cry.)
    8. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot 15 December 2015 10: 34
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      formally apologized for the downed plane, compensated for its loss to the Russian Aerospace Forces, and punished the perpetrators of the death of the pilot and marine.



      So I immediately said that let the pilot and the person responsible be issued for the command to open fire.
    9. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 15 December 2015 20: 08
      0
      Quote: avvg
      The requirements put forward to the Turks are not enough in my opinion, but rightly, the big giraffe knows better.

      No one is going to forgive the Turks. After all, they perfectly understand that Erdogan is unlikely to apologize and certainly does not admit that it was he himself who gave the order. The move is very wise.
      1. AUL
        AUL 15 December 2015 22: 31
        0
        The most important thing here would be Turkey's recognition of guilt, which is why we insist primarily on an apology. Well, the compensation and punishment of those responsible is also significant.
  2. as150505
    as150505 15 December 2015 06: 53
    +9
    There is no forgiveness to the Turks for what they did.
    1. theadenter
      theadenter 15 December 2015 08: 11
      -1
      Oh believe me. If Turkey apologizes, the consequences will be much more difficult for them (because in fact they will surrender to the United States), and are almost harmless to us. The downing of a Turkish aircraft in retaliation is the worst option that will lead to war. Turkey is not Lithuania with one and a half tanks.
      1. The black
        The black 15 December 2015 18: 12
        +1
        Turkey may not be Lithuania, but it has never been a warrior either. Cruelty, meanness and fanaticism - yes, but what kind of warriors we know from the history of Russian-Turkish
  3. SAM 5
    SAM 5 15 December 2015 06: 54
    +2
    for warming, it is enough for the Turkish authorities to apologize for the downed plane, compensate for its loss to the Russian Air Force and punish the perpetrators of the death of the pilot and marine

    Cool statement, alright.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 December 2015 06: 56
      +4
      Quote: SAM 5
      Cool statement, alright.

      This is a warped quote.
      The Turks still will not go for it.
  4. Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 15 December 2015 06: 57
    15
    What could be the warming of relations with accomplices of terrorists ?? Ahrenell something up there at all what
    1. Decathlon
      Decathlon 15 December 2015 07: 05
      +7
      Yes, I realized that yesterday, after the miraculous return of Tolik-Boomerang ....
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 15 December 2015 09: 51
      +4
      Quote: Yozhkin Cat
      What could be the warming of relations with accomplices of terrorists ?? Ahrenell something up there at all

      Yes, we somehow do not need a war with all of Turkey.
      We need Erdogan's departure into oblivion.
      The admission of guilt for him will mark the end of his political career, after which he, from the presidents, can easily become a defendant in the international court for aiding terrorism.
      So the statement is made on the topic and with deep meaning.
  5. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 December 2015 06: 59
    +7
    They made such an offer because they know
    that Ankara will definitely not do that.
    For this would mean "loss of face".
    And then, apologies and punishments do not cancel that
    that the next attempt to bring down our plane will end
    the destruction of those who try to make such an attempt.
  6. Decathlon
    Decathlon 15 December 2015 07: 00
    10 th
    "... a somewhat strange position of Russian diplomacy ..."
    To put it mildly! There will be one hundred percent willing to make a "prepayment": a list of aircraft with an indication of the book value + money on the target account (and, they will be found, definitely) + an official apology form with empty columns "date", "place", "passport data of the pilot". And, everything, do what you want ?!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 December 2015 07: 09
      +5
      Quote: Decathlon
      And, do it, do what you want ?!

      In addition to empty talk, are there any intelligible sentences? (no nuclear strike).
      1. Decathlon
        Decathlon 15 December 2015 07: 23
        +1
        But what about "Rats need to be poisoned ..." ?! Your comment, dated 11.12.2015,07/42/XNUMX, XNUMX:XNUMX. Or, are you showing political flexibility ?! wink
        1. andj61
          andj61 15 December 2015 08: 13
          +3
          Quote: Decathlon
          But what about "Rats need to be poisoned ..." ?! Your comment, dated 11.12.2015,07/42/XNUMX, XNUMX:XNUMX. Or, are you showing political flexibility ?! wink

          But are rats only etched with a nuclear strike? what
          There are other ways ... wink
          And to apologize - this is exactly in the realities of Turkey a way of political suicide for Erdognan and Davutoglu ... yes
      2. 3axap82
        3axap82 15 December 2015 09: 06
        0
        No need to threaten, just continue to do their job in Syria. Shoot down and destroy everything that threatens the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. If they threaten NATO with a nuclear strike. Respond to the combat readiness of the Strategic Missile Forces.
        And how did you want to defend the honor of the country? These are not photo collages to draw.
        And then there are "scarecrows" of NATO and the United States. And how can it be so straight away: "What do you want war?" Do the enemies of Russia want?
        The Turks warned and complained about us with the UN Security Council, we did not respond - they shot down a plane. It is necessary either to agree on time until this has turned into a disgrace with the plane, or to answer.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 December 2015 07: 00
    +2
    shoot down planes, apologize, and then shoot down more and more - with a “pure soul”

    Here I completely agree. Suppose the Turks, overpowering their arrogance, apologized to Russia. In response to this, Russia with open arms accepted Turkey into the circle of its friends? It will look weird.
    1. ArcanAG
      ArcanAG 15 December 2015 07: 10
      +5
      Another demand was to punish those responsible for the downed plane and the killed pilot.
      Those. Turkish authorities must punish their own military, which carried out the order. And those who gave the order.
      1. Military Builder
        Military Builder 15 December 2015 07: 39
        +1
        those. must whip themselves like a non-commissioned officer's wife in Gogol's "The Inspector General"
      2. Per se.
        Per se. 15 December 2015 10: 19
        +3
        Quote: ArcanAG
        Another demand was to punish those responsible for the downed plane and the killed pilot.
        It is strange that there was nothing about the cessation of the actual assistance-protection of Turkey DAISH (ISIS). What kind of warming could there be, if only a million apologies, if the Turks continue to patronize the terrorists, all the scumbags that Russia undertook to bomb in Syria?
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 15 December 2015 09: 20
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Suppose the Turks, overpowering their arrogance, apologized to Russia. In response to this, Russia with open arms accepted Turkey into the circle of its friends?


      Erdogan and Davutoglu are not all of Turkey. It is a neighboring state to us and will not go anywhere from the world map. Better "neutral" neighborhood of one people with another than muscle flexing. As for the first two personalities, these are enemies and no one will delete them from the black list.
  8. bad
    bad 15 December 2015 07: 07
    +3
    It turns out that for warming it is enough for the Turkish authorities to apologize officially for the downed aircraft, to compensate for its loss before the Russian Aerospace Force of the Russian Federation and punish the perpetrators of the death of the pilot and marine. If Ankara will go on such conditions, then for any other country it can become a precedent - shoot down aircraft, apologize, and then shoot down again and again - with a “pure soul”. Frankly, a somewhat strange position of Russian diplomacy.
    ..what kind of warming! .. am
  9. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 15 December 2015 07: 09
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: SAM 5
    Cool statement, alright.

    This is a warped quote.
    The Turks still will not go for it.



    This is where it all starts. "This is a distorted quote ... The Turks will not agree to this ..." The point is not in the interpretation of the quotations and not in whether the Turks will apologize. It's about our self-awareness. If we start to bleat, stutter and ask "well, at least something, well, at least a little apology and money for the widows of our dead soldiers," then it was not necessary to start this kachucha, with sanctions, S-400 and everything else. I had to immediately swallow, wipe myself off and ask the Turks if they liked it and if they wanted to repeat it, otherwise we still have a lot of extra planes and pilots. And if we are tough Chelyabinsk guys, ready to endure on the basis of the principle, then let's endure, and not whine "cookies and a little bit of apology." Either Russia has its own way, or we take off our pants, substitute our ass and are not capricious. Personally, this option does not suit me.
    1. putnik
      putnik 15 December 2015 09: 09
      +2
      Let's face it, there's a war going on. And not with the Turks, they are only a tool. Personally, I am ready not only to endure, but you see how we are surrounded on all borders. Ours outlined the direction of the retaliatory strike against Turkey and now enable the descendants of the Janissaries to retreat without losing face. Such feints are completely in the traditions of Eastern civilization, and to a large extent, this is an appeal directly to the people of Turkey. And I think that Erdogan may well discover another conspiracy of the military, who, contrary to the age-old interests of the Ports, wanted to embroil good neighbors. Silk laces, for their unlucky pashas, ​​as a gift, were invented there. In this case, we show our adequacy and negotiability. Our world, which is based on Russia, is opposed by literate, motivated, extremely cynical forces provided with all the resources. And we, for various reasons, are forced to play by the rules that were not established by us. And we pretend that we are playing on them. The principle of Aikido. We use the energy of our partner. Again, there are not two, but many "armies" on the board. Don't forget about the monkey watching the fight in the valley.
      "What a war ... The main thing is maneuvers!" We are doing this for now. By the way, Turkey joined the new coalition. So they maneuver too ...
  10. EvgNik
    EvgNik 15 December 2015 07: 16
    +6
    Frankly, the somewhat strange position of Russian diplomacy

    More than strange, especially in light of the claims of GDP after the plane was shot down. The perpetrator of the death (supposedly the general who gave the order) was killed. Those who gave the order to him - you will not get it. Cash compensation is not even funny. Apologies In such a time? Do not tell my slippers. Our diplomatic corps disappointed me.
    1. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 15 December 2015 07: 29
      +6
      I think that everything is not so simple here. With such a statement, our diplomatic corus demonstrates to all other countries its desire for a peaceful resolution of the Russia-Turkey conflict. BUT! This is nothing more than a demonstration to give the diplomatic corps one more point in disputes with opponents. Do you seriously think that after the PRESIDENT'S PUBLIC PROMISE to the whole country in general and to the military in particular that the Turks "will not get off with tomatoes alone," he took it and "leaked everything"? And nothing that last week he presented awards, including for the dead!
      And the actions of our Navy against the provocations of Turkish ships also cannot be classified as soft. Personally, I do not believe that "warming" is possible before the change of leadership in Turkey. This, by the way, can also be read between the lines in the diplomatic corps address: like herakite Erdogan and his brigade, public apologies to the whole world (the United States will peel off - they vouched for the Turks that they were in their right), and money for the squadron Su-34. Then it is possible (perhaps, but not for sure!) Your tomatoes will again appear on our markets.
      Something like that.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 15 December 2015 09: 53
        +3
        Quote: Corsair0304
        Do you seriously think that after the PRESIDENT'S PUBLIC PROMISE to the whole country in general and to the military in particular that the Turks "will not get off with tomatoes alone"
        After last year's "let them just try", you can think anything, especially after the new appointment of Serdyukov and the previous release of Vasilyeva. In any case, the feints of our domestic and foreign policy are sometimes, indeed, very difficult to understand, if we forget about the influence of our monopolist capitalists and their selfish interests.
    2. Terminolol
      Terminolol 15 December 2015 07: 54
      +3
      Why is strange, in my opinion the most normal. This is about warming relations, and not about forgiving and forgetting everything. And no one will forgive the second downed plane. And an apology is for Turks now how to smear shit, especially after the statements of their president. Public humiliation ... and money and punishment are nothing more than a formality in fact no one needs. It is worth replacing that at this time such a relationship is not for us, not beneficial for them.
      1. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 16 December 2015 14: 51
        0
        Well. The response of the Turkish Foreign Ministry to our proposals:

        "Turkey will not compensate Russia for the damage for the downed Su-24 bomber," Turkish Foreign Ministry spokesman Tanju Bilgic said.

        Q.E.D. We are with peaceful proposals, they are in no way. Flag in hand, drum on the neck. 9 billion losses from the travel industry alone is only the beginning.
    3. Lelek
      Lelek 15 December 2015 09: 32
      +2
      Quote: EvgNik
      Our diplomatic corps disappointed me.


      IMHO. We have somewhat weakened attention from the situation in the former Ukraine in connection with the events in Syria and the Turkish demarche. Therefore, our diplomatic corps is trying to minimize the threat of confrontation with Turkey, and is doing the right thing. But this in no way makes the leadership of Turkey (personally Erdogan and Davutoglu) our friends, they are outright enemies and we won’t shake their hands. stop
  11. vsoltan
    vsoltan 15 December 2015 07: 18
    +5
    And I think there can be two options:
    1. Oligarchs in power crush
    2. Accurate probe of world public opinion
    It remains to wait for the development of events ...
    1. andj61
      andj61 15 December 2015 08: 17
      +2
      Quote: vsoltan
      And I think there can be two options:
      1. Oligarchs in power crush
      2. Accurate probe of world public opinion
      It remains to wait for the development of events ...

      You can add a third: a public demonstration (and only a demonstration - nothing more) of peaceful intentions.
      hi
      1. 3axap82
        3axap82 15 December 2015 09: 17
        +3
        What are peaceful intentions ?! Did we show aggression against Turkey? They shot down our plane. There was no adequate response.
  12. Evil 55
    Evil 55 15 December 2015 07: 22
    +1
    Only the transfer of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles to the concession of Russia for a period of 150 years can help the Turks ...
    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 15 December 2015 07: 37
      +1
      And why only for this period?
      Maybe for free!
      1. cap
        cap 15 December 2015 08: 03
        0
        Quote: Evil 55
        Only the transfer of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles to the concession of Russia for a period of 150 years can help the Turks ...

        Quote: Younger, I
        And why only for this period?
        Maybe for free!

        FOREVER, without bargaining!
        + All-inclusive beaches and hotels for veterans.
        Then think laughing
    2. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 15 December 2015 07: 56
      +1
      Quote: Angry 55
      Only the transfer of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles to the Russian concession can help

      Look wider)) The dream of all Russian princes, and then the tsars - Constantinople
  13. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 15 December 2015 07: 23
    0
    In my opinion, ours are flirting with Turkey. On the one hand, everyone sees our steps towards a "settlement", on the other hand, they hope that Turkey will reject the proposal.
    What if he takes it and agrees? What then?
    Clear! Politics! But no matter how you replay. I think that the Russian leadership is thinking over the game for several moves ahead.
    Foreign policy is, of course, a necessary thing, but domestic is no less important. It's just that not everyone understands how, after harsh statements, such words may sound. I think that there are many liberal politicians who can use the opinions of obscure, for their own purposes.
    1. 3axap82
      3axap82 15 December 2015 09: 18
      +2
      This has already happened with Ukraine. They allowed to bring in troops, revoked permission at the request of the guarantor.
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 December 2015 07: 31
    +4
    I do not believe! The Russian ambassador to Turkey said ... Where is the link? This is bullshit, I beg your pardon, not infa. Now, if the Russian ambassador demanded to return the cross for "St. Sophia" .... Eh, dreams, dreams.
  15. Tanker55
    Tanker55 15 December 2015 07: 38
    +1
    Another media duck, or the usual left throw. Wait a little, there will be a refutation. I think so!
  16. magician
    magician 15 December 2015 07: 44
    +1
    if Turkey fulfills these requirements, then this will be a precedent. After that, the Armenian genocide can be forced to recognize them. We must crush them politically, diplomatically and economically. It will be a very big victory, I don’t even know what to compare it with!
  17. fa2998
    fa2998 15 December 2015 07: 56
    +1
    Quote: Designer 1
    compensation (so many times higher than the cost of losses) - required!

    Well, let us be compensated for a second-hand aircraft, then the general was not at the helm! Did you get a lot for Mistral? Although everything was in the contract, you barely got your own (and then at a loss). Now the second persons of Turkey will act , will give 3 kopecks, and ours are glad-VICTORY! Sometimes our authorities think about the honor of the Motherland! hi
  18. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 15 December 2015 07: 57
    0
    Okay, that's a pretty good deal. Do not fight the same scumbags. Only monetary compensation should be called such that everyone thinks 100 times before knocking down.
  19. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 15 December 2015 07: 58
    +2
    Enough!
    Have "thawed out" already!
    Taught, unfortunately, once again!
    Even tougher with them! Even tougher !!!
  20. sgr291158
    sgr291158 15 December 2015 08: 08
    +2
    Here are the Turks, they are the Turks.

    But smoked meat is happy, it means that it has already dropped a lot of bombs, only who it hit, that's the question.
  21. asar
    asar 15 December 2015 08: 13
    +2
    The above by our ambassador, I think, is not enough!
    1) apologize to all our people, the fart should certainly, in front of the cameras, on his knee
    2) a complete refusal to support idesh, including the robbery of Syria (oil), the provision of its territory to militants from the above idesh
    3) a complete rejection of attacks on Syrian territory
    4) a complete rejection of the slogans "Assad must leave"
    5) the cessation of all provocations against ships, as well as ships of the Russian Navy and the rest of the fleet, otherwise the provocations will be regarded by the Russian side as a declaration of war by Turkey
    6) the resignation of Erdogan and the entire Turkish government
    7) apologies on behalf of Turkey for providing its territory to militants during the Chechen campaigns
    You can still write a lot, but let them at least fulfill these requirements
    1. atalef
      atalef 15 December 2015 08: 18
      +3
      Quote: asar
      complete rejection of idesh support,

      Hey . Rustem
      Daesh - he does not support Yiddish anyway
      Yiddish (יידיש, ייִדיש or אידיש, Yiddish or Yiddish - literally: "Jewish") is the Jewish language of the German group, historically the main language of Ashkenazi, which was spoken by about 11 million Jews around the world at the beginning of the XNUMXth century.

      in general, there are many points only if you complete the 6th. why then do Erdogan do the rest?
  22. raid14
    raid14 15 December 2015 08: 28
    +2
    Everything would be fine, but the sediment remains. The warlike tone in relations with Turkey was replaced by a banal merchant (some losses, let's go around the world with a bag).
    A more detailed interview with Russian Ambassador Karlov in the Turkish newspaper Cumhuriyet Gazetesi on December 13 trhttp: //www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/dunya/447673/Rusya_nin_3_sarti_var.html
  23. Vasily123
    Vasily123 15 December 2015 08: 44
    +1
    The killing of the Russian military is an act of aggression against the country - at other times the beginning of hostilities in response. The cowardly policy of the Moscow selling elite should be stopped and Russia should firmly respond to challenges, since there is something. And do not piss the Americans, these are not soldiers, these are murderers throughout their history and with an adequate answer, as rats scatter in different directions. American society has one goal in common - enrichment and that’s all, they have nothing more in common. Thieves, crooks and just bandits are the original society of the USA. And their first joint murder - the indigenous people of America - INDIANS. I liked to rob and kill, to appropriate foreign lands and minerals - this is the beginning of the path of the Americans and there is no need to deceive ourselves about the US policy - it simply cannot be different ....
    1. Roman 25
      Roman 25 15 December 2015 09: 24
      +1
      "And their first joint assassination is a Native American Indian."
      Probably - Indians!
  24. kvarfax
    kvarfax 15 December 2015 08: 53
    +3
    It seems to me that many do not underestimate "apologize". This is the most difficult thing for them. Money? Pay ... execute someone? Well, why not, you can think of an excuse ... but to apologize is actually to admit it in plain text "we were wrong, we will do as Russia says." And then you won't shut up anything, you won't serve it under a different sauce ... let's say money, they say here's from the master's shoulder. And that someone in our country was imprisoned for excessive initiative, so he steal. And they rightly say: they don't like to apologize to us very much. Let them learn!
    Just do not think that they will go for it ...
  25. afrikanez
    afrikanez 15 December 2015 09: 09
    +2
    Frankly, a somewhat strange position of Russian diplomacy.
    Not even strange, but very well thought-out. Would you try to make the "donkey" apologize, this is a public flogging for Erdogan (with his persistence) good
    1. Voltsky
      Voltsky 15 December 2015 09: 23
      +1
      and not only, if you play this card through the media "see what kind of Russians are magnanimous and do not hold evil, and our president offended such a person with radish, wah wah what they thought when they elected", but if he accepts the offer " I just put myself in my pants and begs for forgiveness "tsutswang figli :)
  26. Gor-1974
    Gor-1974 15 December 2015 09: 11
    +1
    For me, too, it’s not really a statement about 3 conditions under which cucumbers and tomatoes will again flood chain stores. It gives me weakness. I am not an expert on diplomacy and I don’t know, roughly speaking, who’s who for me ... holds, but diplomacy is needed before the shots, after the shots, as they say in the back (at least zapadlo), after two weeks trying to make peace is more expensive. It was necessary to put up right away and not beating myself militantly in the chest like Kin-kong, maybe they did not notice it and rolled on the sly, and now any member of the alliance can shoot at us thinking- "Well, in extreme cases, I will apologize (and I will bug money until the last ) ". I understand that a nuclear war is not an ice, but if you think about it, do not decide on it and those who have been buying gold all their lives in their vaults and printing green money. They will have to live underground for too long. It would be easier for them to clear the earth of us with a virus.
  27. Roman 25
    Roman 25 15 December 2015 09: 17
    +1
    Quote: Yozhkin Cat
    What could be the warming of relations with accomplices of terrorists ?? Ahrenell something up there at all

    Oh how? And before, when we signed up for the construction of the Turkish Stream, the Akkuyu NPP, etc. nobody knew about the terrorists' "accomplices"?
    Yes. Everyone knew, just didn’t think that they were cutting like that, and they stuck a knife in the back. They knew but did all this as it is mutually beneficial
  28. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 15 December 2015 09: 21
    +1
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Unknown author, do not touch our diplomatic corps, it works many times better, and more adequate than the western ...


    I agree, I wrote about this recently: our diplomats are head and shoulders above all the French, Angles and Amers, all of whose diplomacy for centuries has been reduced to the destruction or intimidation of opponents by force of the army and navy. So this is not diplomacy, but banditry. Diplomacy is just finding compromises in international relations without warfare or for their prevention (termination).
  29. Million
    Million 15 December 2015 09: 26
    +2
    Janissary Erdogan is unlikely to apologize
  30. Rednek
    Rednek 15 December 2015 09: 27
    -1
    After the statements of Turkey, only another uninvited guest can be beaten, no one will apologize.
  31. veksha50
    veksha50 15 December 2015 09: 28
    +1
    "and punished the perpetrators of the death of the pilot and marine"...

    In vain, the author of the article says that a precedent will be created that allows you to continue to shoot down aircraft, and then apologize ...

    I just pulled out the necessary context from the requirements of Russia ...

    If you think carefully, this phrase alone reduces to zero the possibility of application, and it is not for nothing that it was pronounced ...

    Who will call the president and the prime minister guilty ???

    So Russia, consider it, has given a promise: there will be no peace, and sooner or later, the guilty will be held responsible for what they have done ...
  32. antikilller55
    antikilller55 15 December 2015 09: 34
    +2
    What kind of apology is not known? What is the compensation? How much is the life of the deceased pilot and marine ??? How much money should Turks compensate for their lives ??? Shame, just shame, show off on camera, but in fact shame, hit on the face (or in the back) well, guys apologize and pretend that nothing happened, forget that you are friends with terrorists and everything else, what a GREAT power will it endure?
  33. Victor1
    Victor1 15 December 2015 09: 35
    +4
    The oligarchy in Turkey has a lot of its business, and the spirit of power is not enough to block relations with this garbage of hypocrites and traitors.
    And now what if they accept these terms with a hypocritical face? again "friends" are waiting for the next pod?
    Block the gas, stop the construction of nuclear power plants, prohibit the tourism business, expel all Turkish controllers from Russia, prohibit the import of products.
    And here they are ready to swallow everything, after such a provocation and such a vile Turkish foreign policy ..
  34. WHEEL
    WHEEL 15 December 2015 09: 41
    +2
    Quote: Designer 1

    + compensation (so many times higher than the cost of losses) - required! Then there will be no one who wants to just shoot down other people's planes!

    well, gentlemen are rich there, they can afford for the sake of pleasure and at times more to pay when they want ...
    it's just that our top has children, villas, bills - everything is in the west, what is more serious than the "last Chinese warnings" can be said, and now it will be called - the last Russian warnings ...
  35. ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru 15 December 2015 09: 42
    0
    Talkhouse all this !!! The Americans have fallen from the cage of influential political forces in the Middle East and are now ready for any fantasies so that they, world leaders in everything, are not forgotten! But the train has already left ...
  36. OlegV
    OlegV 15 December 2015 09: 46
    +2
    Possibly POSSIBLE! the Turks will fulfill "... three conditions for warming ..." and there, at the top, they may find some kind of consensus, BUT ...

    RUSSIAN PEOPLE WILL NOT FORGIVE !!!
  37. Shuttle
    Shuttle 15 December 2015 10: 06
    0
    Our fighters, bombers and drones have stepped up air strikes. In November, as many bombs were dropped at the IS position, how many were not dropped in any other month from the start of the campaign.


    How many? How much, Carl?
    One? !!
  38. Tu-214R
    Tu-214R 15 December 2015 10: 11
    +3
    And that we will again become friends with "accomplices of terrorists" and sell tomatoes after some hypocritical apology? Sorry, but the President himself called the "accomplices", and not some analyst-journalist-goebbels of evening talk shows on TV. Representatives of the Ministry of Defense figuratively poked Erdogan in the Syrian oil, accusing him of cooperation and support of IS. Was it all a loud shaking of air? All these statements are worthless if they shake hands with the accomplices again.
    And yes, I will never believe that information about any cooperation between Erdogan and Co and IS appeared right after the tragedy with the SU-24 ... We will be "friends", you do not bother us, but we are on something close our eyes. What is it all called?
  39. moskowit
    moskowit 15 December 2015 10: 29
    -1
    I remember a long time ago, the "first hennyh" of our stage Nikolaev sang the stupidest song "The first reason is you ..." and so on ...
  40. OlegV
    OlegV 15 December 2015 11: 10
    0
    Here, in confirmation of my words, a quote from the article:
    ..... Today in Kreml they are required from the Turkish manual to make an official apology for the downed plane. But even if such an apology will follow, then they will become only a formal guide for the start of official contacts between the representatives of various departments.

    The real reasons for the emerging conflict will FOREVER, but, it means, to talk about the possible normalization of relations for the time being .......


    http://x-true.info/29785-tureckiy-tupik-erdogan-zagnal-sebya-v-ugol.html
  41. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 15 December 2015 12: 20
    +1
    Our conditions for Turkish bandits are not acceptable! Therefore, this conflict can be regarded as very protracted. Until the presidents will be all those who are now, plus all the environment.
  42. Radikal
    Radikal 15 December 2015 12: 54
    0
    Quote: Designer 1
    Frankly, a somewhat strange position of Russian diplomacy.

    What is the oddity? Is there anything to declare war?

    But the punishment of ALL perpetrators + compensation (so many times higher than the cost of losses) - is mandatory! Then there will be no one who wants to just shoot down other people's planes!
    And with whom (from them) to begin, with Erdogan? And we have?
  43. Manul
    Manul 15 December 2015 13: 15
    0
    And not a word is said about the families of those who lost their husbands, fathers, breadwinners. After the apologies of Russia, the second item should go to the apologies to families and the obligations of HUGE lifetime payments. Until the payment of annual overseas trips to all relatives (and not to Turkey), payment for the education of their children in universities, and payment for the installation of monuments to the victims.
  44. 3axap82
    3axap82 15 December 2015 13: 58
    +3
    Quote: Manul
    and payment for the installation of monuments to the dead

    This is already superfluous, a country that SAMA cannot establish monuments to heroes will receive shame. On the whole, it can be so, but to beg for a trifle to provide orphans for the enemy - an unworthy great power.
    1. Manul
      Manul 16 December 2015 00: 45
      0
      Quote: 3axap82
      a country which SAMA cannot establish monuments to heroes will receive a shame.

      And what, all the heroes have monuments installed, and all their families are provided with the state?
      Quote: 3axap82
      but to beg a trifle to provide the orphans with the enemy is unworthy of a great power.

      But it was worthy to give our orphans to the care of American adoptive parents. And what is really happening with this now, no one will tell you.
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 16 December 2015 01: 58
        0
        Are you fundamentally against the adoption of orphans by the Americans, or against tracking how children are treated in the same notorious America?
        1. Manul
          Manul 16 December 2015 03: 19
          0
          Quote: Voletsky
          Are you fundamentally against the adoption of orphans by the Americans, or against tracking how children are treated in the same notorious America?

          I fundamentally want my country to take care of its children itself. Well, against adoption by the Americans. There are so many poor and hungry African kids. Let them adopt.
  45. voronbel53
    voronbel53 15 December 2015 15: 26
    0
    Well, so what? -The Turks will fulfill the conditions for reconciliation, although they believe it with difficulty. BUT the main reason why there can be no reconciliation in principle is that Turkey itself is an assistant and partner of the Daesh terrorists, with whom Russia is fighting and will fight to a victorious end and no compromises with terrorist accomplices will come, especially reconciliation . Otherwise, our country, in general, will not be put into anything if it backs off after all the lies and dirt that was poured on it, the authority can be lost very quickly, and it will be difficult to return for a very long time ...
  46. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 15 December 2015 15: 33
    +7
    Excuses and compensation, too high - normal requirements, they are impossible to fulfill. And from the punishment it is better to do it yourself, in the style of "Beirut'85" well, or as fellow Israelis. So that even the neighbors can see where they go, not only relatives.
    1. Voltsky
      Voltsky 16 December 2015 02: 06
      0
      newspapers with the titles "Russian thugs staged a bloody massacre" are not enough ?! No matter what the heads of state do, they are not satisfied with the flogging (Gaddafi is a dangerous exception, well, it is possible as a incident of course, but still)
  47. kenvas
    kenvas 15 December 2015 23: 24
    0
    Something very soft ... Very!