The submarine "Rostov-on-Don", who shot out on December 8 on targets in Syria, entered the Black Sea

The diesel-electric submarines Rostov-on-Don (project 636.3), which is making the interfloor transition, entered the Black Sea, reports MIC with reference to Interfax-AVN.

“On Sunday, the submarine in the surface position passed the Black Sea straits,” an informed source told the agency.

The interlocutor recalled that "December 8 submarine" Rostov-on-Don "from the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea first hit the Caliber-Submarine cruise missiles at the targets of the terrorists in Syria."

The first boat of this project, the Novorossiysk, arrived at the BS 16 of September.

Help newspaper: “A special feature of the 636.3 project is that they are equipped with the Caliber PL submarine missile armament complex, as well as with updated electronic equipment. Five systems for these boats, in particular, the automated information and control system "Lama", the control system of the submarine "Palladium" and the control system for maneuvering "Pyrite" were developed in OAO Concern NPO Avrora (St. Petersburg). "

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[Lord of the Sith]

They will load new "Caliber-NK" and start the campaign again!

[_Vladislav_]

By the way, submarines of this class were supposed to be built in large quantities for export to the countries of the Warsaw Pact, therefore the project is called "Varshavyanka".

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: _Vladislav_

By the way, submarines of this class were supposed to be built in large quantities for export to the countries of the Warsaw Pact, therefore the project is called "Varshavyanka".

I did not know, thanks for the info! And then all sorts of thoughts came to mind by this name ....

[Major Yurik]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

Quote: _Vladislav_

By the way, submarines of this class were supposed to be built in large quantities for export to the countries of the Warsaw Pact, therefore the project is called "Varshavyanka".

I did not know, thanks for the info! And then all sorts of thoughts came to mind by this name ....

Yeah, in the light of the last tender relationship with the psheks, it was thought that the name was due to the narrowly targeted designation of our boat!

[cniza]

Thanks to the crew for their excellent work, they will rest and go camping again - success.

[RUSS]

Quote: cniza

Thanks to the crew for their excellent work,

[uge.garik]

It must be assumed that the reliability resource is not worse than the "three-line" and "Kalashnikov" ...

[73bor]

It's like a song is sung- With a fight we took Warsaw the whole city passed and in the last street we read the name ...

[79807420129]

Here it was on our side that they slammed two birds with one stone and the Black Sea Fleet received a new submarine and hit the barmaley with Calibers from under the water, showing our so-called "partners" that they'd better diminish their ambitions, this is even the third hare.

[jjj]

The Russian Navy has a new tradition - in order to pass through the straits without problems, you must first shoot at the terrorists. And no queues for you in the water area

[sever.56]

Vladislav, you are saying everything correctly, only the project was finalized to the 3 ++ generation.
Such characteristics as the low noise of the boat have been radically increased, the depth of immersion has been increased. Also, the submarine is equipped with the latest generation of torpedoes, well, and, of course, "Calibers". So we can say that only the name remained from that "Varshavyanka".

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: sever.56

So we can say that only the name remained from that "Varshavyanka".

Well, this is Varshavyanka, just more perfect. And what else to call her?)

It just follows from its actual name (designation) declared - B-237 “Rostov-on-Don” - the Russian diesel-electric submarine of project 636.3 “Varshavyanka”, which is part of the 4th separate submarine brigade of the Russian Navy . The second ship of the project 636.3 "Varshavyanka", named after the city of Russia Rostov-on-Don.

So, such things

[NEXUS]

Quote: sever.56

Vladislav, you are saying everything correctly, only the project was finalized to the 3 ++ generation.
Such characteristics as the low noise of the boat have been radically increased, the depth of immersion has been increased. Also, the submarine is equipped with the latest generation of torpedoes, well, and, of course, "Calibers". So we can say that only the name remained from that "Varshavyanka".

All right, say ... but the work on the Lada project, which should replace the Varshavyanka, is depressing. Apparently, something does not work out with the anaerobic installation.

[volodimer]

At the sunset of the USSR, they fished with all the equipment of the Academy of Sciences, which was available at that time. They could find it only when they found out where and when to look.
Now, I think it’s even more hopeless. If you don’t know that there is definitely a black cat in a dark room, then like the Swedes ...

[st25310]

It is necessary once from the Black Sea to shoot at igil, through the territory of Turkey. At the same time, we’ll check them ...

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: st25310

It is necessary once from the Black Sea to shoot at igil, through the territory of Turkey. At the same time, we’ll check them ...

Alas, comrade, flights of the Kyrgyz Republic through the territory of other states are possible only by agreement with the country through whose territory such a route runs.
Otherwise, it is stated as an attack.

You will be interested to know that even all training launches of ICBMs are consistent. If, say, the launch of the Mace comes from the Barents Sea, and the United States was not informed about it, then they have the right to regard it as a sudden missile strike.

... it's all serious.

[dmi.pris1]

It’s impossible ... The Bosphorus will be filled up with poop .. Do you have any idea what kind of incontinence among Turks ...

Quote: st25310

It is necessary once from the Black Sea to shoot at igil, through the territory of Turkey. At the same time, we’ll check them ...

[Reserve officer]

The task for schoolchildren studying geometry and familiar with compasses is to which countries can the Caliber-PL launched from the Rostov-on-Don diesel-electric submarine in the Black Sea, if the cruise missile's flight range is 2000 km?
Immediately there will be a surge in patriotic education.

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: Reserve officer

if the cruise missile has a range of 2000 km?

Are there two thousand? TTX is still classified. P.E. the question of maximum range is still open.

[Reserve officer]

Vladislav, then there will be even more school tasks. Count on different ranges and on the launch of missiles from different water areas. The whole chapter in the textbook. Learning will be fun.

[jjj]

Quote: Reserve officer

Are there two thousand?

For more than ten years, the torpedo was in service and no emotions. And then suddenly such close attention. It can be concluded that the flight range has grown much

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Reserve officer

Of the Black Sea, if the cruise missile has a range of 2000 km?

The "Granat" missile with a nuclear warhead was launched from a torpedo tube and could cover 200 kilometers with a warhead of 3000 kilotons. Of course, conventional warheads are heavier than nuclear warheads, so the range should be no more than 2000 kilometers (such a range can be achieved due to: an economical jet engine, a fiberglass rocket body, relatively small dimensions of onboard electronic systems, compared to the systems of the previous generation, which allows more space for additional fuel.)

[st25310]

Missiles will only be improved. Everything is better in the Russian Army.

[Simple]

Quote: _Vladislav_

By the way, submarines of this class were supposed to be built in large quantities for export to the countries of the Warsaw Pact, therefore the project is called "Varshavyanka".

Misconception:
Submarines of the 877 Halibut project - a series of Soviet and Russian submarines built in 1982 — 2000 years. These boats are also often called “Varshavyanka”, since it was originally intended to equip the Navy of the Warsaw Pact countries.

then there was the 877ECM export project. Tareq torpedo submarines

The construction of the 636 project ships has begun since the mid-1990's.
when neither the Warsaw Pact Navy nor the Warsaw Pact ALREADY EXISED.

On the basis of the 877ECM project for the Chinese Navy, the 636 Varshavyanka project was developed

Etc. 636 = NATO Classification - Improved Kilo;


Etc. 636.3 "Rostov on Don"

[Lt. Air Force stock]

It is interesting to see the difference between our propellers and the propellers of other submarines.
Screw Type 212A
Submarine Screw Dolphin:

[Simple]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

It is interesting to see the difference between our propellers and the propellers of other submarines.

In 1989, the management of the Zvezdochka plant decided to separate the propeller processing section into a separate specialized screw processing production (SVOP):

and have not lost.
Zvezdochka has the world's largest experience in the manufacture of propellers from corrosion-resistant steel grades.

Foreign partners (customers) include ABB Marine and Steerprop (Finland), Hyundai Heavy Ind. and Hyundai Mipo Dockyard (Korea), international holdings Aker Yards, Fincantieri Shipyards and many others. In addition, the company has mastered the design and serial production of prefabricated propellers for the most advanced universal propulsion unit Azipod. It provides the vessel with high maneuverability and economy in operation. By order of foreign firms "Zvezdochka" manufactures prefabricated propellers for modern cruise superliners of the "Fantasy", "Eagle", "Vantage", "New Europe", "Costa", "Amsterdam", "Radiance", "Freedom", " Celebrity "," Genesis "and others. The classification societies Det Norske Veritas, Lloyd's Register of Shipping, ABS, RINA, Germanischer Lloyd, Russian Maritime Register of Shipping carry out constant quality control.

Promising materials for the manufacture of screws are considered composites.
By composites we are one of the best in Europe, in many positions

[Killj]

Quote: Just

By composites we are one of the best in Europe, in many positions

what are the interesting "positions"? They said A speak and B. It is not enough in military production, Europe has imposed an embargo on the supply of these, and then suddenly the "leaders".

[Simple]

Quote: KillJ

what are the interesting "positions"? Say A and speak B.

Do I owe you something? (A, then B talk)?
Is it too lazy to search?
infusion technology "AeroComposite"

CJSC Prepreg-SCM HC Composite


fiberglass hopper car created at Uralvagonzavod

Take a look at the export structure of composites and components for composites on the FCS RF website.

Quote: KillJ

, Europe has imposed an embargo on the supply of these, and then suddenly the "leaders".

rave. there is no embargo
there is no "shortage" at the factories, and they are not yet on the list.

[Denis Obukhov]

Welcome back! Well done!
Interestingly, by tradition, a fried pig was met?

[kote119]

Quote: Sith Lord

Caliber-NK

caliber-nk is an option for placement on surface ships, on pl - caliber-pl

[sever.56]

Quote: Sith Lord

"Caliber-NK"

Sergey, hello!
Sorry, I'll correct you a little: - not "NK" (surface ship), but "PL" (submarine ".

[avt]

Quote: Sith Lord

They will load new "Caliber-NK" and start the campaign again!

It would be necessary to test "Novorossiysk", again in the North two more should be taken to the Black Sea Fleet with firing in the Levant.

[grandson of Perun]

Quote: Sith Lord

They will load new "Caliber-NK" and start the campaign again!

"Caliber-NK" as the name suggests for Surface Ships. Submarines are loaded with "Caliber-PL" with the ability to launch from a submerged position.

[I am Russian]

About the Black Sea Fleet. Today at about 12.00 Moscow time, a warship proceeded through the Kerch Strait towards the World Cup. It looks like "Tatarstan". The board number was not visible, the weather was bad today, it was a storm and it was too far away. Strengthening the KCHF, what do you think ??

[Tor5]

Seven feet under the keel, and to us "For those at sea!"

[Reserve buildbat]

Let's hope the ammunition has replenished))

[MIKHALYCH1]

Thanks submariners .. Clearly completed the task! Who needs to think I understood the hint ...

[jjj]

Cruise to Chesmu (not to be confused with a village in the Chelyabinsk region) - also not bad

[ALEXX.]

With the initiative of submariners. 100% shot back

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

They will load new "Caliber-NK" and start the campaign again!

To Turkey and from the Black Sea will fly ...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

To Turkey and from the Black Sea will fly ...

If you really have to naughty in Turkey, then you can directly from the Crimea.

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

To Turkey and from the Black Sea will fly ...

If you really have to naughty in Turkey, then you can directly from the Crimea.

It is possible of course, but when from an underwater position, secretly and precisely to the target! Here is a completely different effect, in all respects the TTX and the political situation, the main thing!

[dchegrinec]

It would be necessary to "refresh yourself! With calibers and rest for the captain!"

[stdemetrio]

It seems so tiny How much can she carry, these "Calibers" :)?

[Denis Obukhov]

Quote: stdemetrio

It seems so tiny How much can she carry, these "Calibers" :)?

The boat is armed with six 533 caliber torpedoes and four cruise missiles.

[kote119]

only four pieces

[maxcor1974]

only four pieces

And imagine that in these 4x pieces the nuclear warhead in 500 kilotons! London goodbye succeeds, or rather the whole of Great Britain goodbye!
DEPL turns into a strategic carrier.

[NIKNN]

There are no losses from our side !!!

[Readme]

All is GOOD of course, it is a pity that these straits cannot be passed underwater. Submarine all the same! The main secrecy !!! And closer to the spare caliber to leave and load ...

[avt]

Quote: Readme

It is a pity that these straits cannot be passed underwater. Submarine all the same! The main secrecy !!!

The Bosphorus, it is in Russian - Cow Ford, there the depths are minimal - under 30 meters. Where will you dive on the submarine? In silt?

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Readme

And closer to the spare caliber to leave and load.

Or can they drag them under water for themselves? on a rope. He shot, surfaced, charged, dived.

[Barakuda]

Is the pig-boar cooked already? I'm not talking about a freak scum.

[Leprekon]

But she went through the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus? And ... not any provocations. Children understand bitches, here already, in which case, you can really scoop it up!

[starchina pv]

Is it possible to place "calibers" on the ground?

[Barakuda]

You can, what problems. What for. There are enough alternatives. Coastal complexes Ball, Bastion, Redoubt.

[maxcor1974]

Under the INF Treaty, but theoretically ...

[ver_]

... they can also be transported by rail and other means of transport, how else can they be delivered? , and in this case this card is not caught ..

[grisch]

Interesting! And what kind of lionfish does Iskander have?

[Old26]

Quote: Stock Officer

The task for schoolchildren studying geometry who are familiar with compasses is to which countries can the Caliber-PL launched from the Rostov-on-Don diesel-electric submarine in the Black Sea if the cruise missile's flight range is 2000 km?
Immediately there will be a surge in patriotic education.

To fly? If on the map, then from Sevastopol to the same Monaco or to the southern borders of Iraq. But in reality, he will not reach anywhere and will not hit the target ...

[Old26]

Quote: maxcor1974

Under the INF Treaty, but theoretically ...

It is also possible under the INF Treaty. The only limitation is the range of no more than 500 km. That is, anti-ship missiles with a range of up to 500 km can be deployed on SPGs. On the launcher EMNIP 6 TPK with anti-ship "Calibers"

[mathkiller]

In general, I always look at her ammunition caliber 4pcs, and it seems a little. That would be to stuff 8 pieces, as on small missile ships.
It's just that when you look at the converted American "Ohio" - it becomes uncomfortable with the number of cruise missiles on one carrier - 154 Tomahawk missiles. it is clear that the class of ships is different.

[Old26]

Quote: maxcor1974

only four pieces

And imagine that in these 4x pieces the nuclear warhead in 500 kilotons! London goodbye succeeds, or rather the whole of Great Britain goodbye!
DEPL turns into a strategic carrier.

Why is such low power? Since here "CALIBR" is considered such a wunderwaffe, what a goon. Write 50 megatons. Paper, that is, the Internet will endure everything
Have you heard anything about the "kilogram-kiloton" relationship ???

[1976AG]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

They will load new "Caliber-NK" and start the campaign again!

For submarines, there is a modification of the missile system - "Caliber-PL". PL - submarine, NK - surface ship.

[Old26]

Quote: mathkiller

In general, I always look at her ammunition caliber 4pcs, and it seems a little. That would be to stuff 8 pieces, as on small missile ships.

Do you need a submarine or submarine platform to launch cruise missiles? If you need a submarine, then it should have a nomenclature of weapons, including torpedoes of various types and cruise missiles.
A boat can fire missiles from only two upper torpedo tubes. Moreover, if we take into account that from the same devices (and only from them) it can also fire remote-controlled torpedoes, then we will leave 2 remote-controlled torpedoes instead of 4-6 place on the shelves of the upper tier only FOUR ROCKETS.
"Ohio" is still somewhat different. 2 cruise missiles are placed in the Trident-7 launch silo. Plus the boat also has torpedoes ...

[tinibar]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

They will load new "Caliber-NK" and start the campaign again!

Probably. will get into repair like Novorossiysk. And that one has already been repaired, and will replace Rostov-Don in the Mediterranean ...

[Killj]

to drive a submarine to defeat a pair of sheds in Syria ... It's Brilliant.

[Laksamana besar]

Most likely it will go to the base for a reception, the submarine has not been there yet, and then to Sevas for completion, such as painting, like "Novorossiysk".

[Evil 55]

More submarines ... Good and Different ... And the Mediterranean Sea will be Beautiful ...

[Corsair0304]

Quote: KillJ

to drive a submarine to defeat a pair of sheds in Syria ... It's Brilliant.

It was working off in conditions close to combat. The same can be said about the launch of "Caliber" from surface ships. And it is right. Theory and field tests are one thing, but how it is in practice, plus the demonstration of another "kuska matter" to the "sworn partners" - definitely has a different effect.

[Old26]

Quote: CERHJ

I didn’t understand a bit. It seems like 636.3 has four TAs for remote-controlled torpedoes. Well, respectively, for KR. In Syria, they shot at once with 4 TAs, loaded immediately by the KR when they went to the transition. Maximum, can a submarine have 8 KR. Did I understand that correctly?

Among the materials on the boats of this project, I came across information that it was the two upper ones that are intended for firing by remote-controlled torpedoes and cruise missiles. The TA high-speed reloading system allows you to recharge the device after 15 seconds. Syria was shot FOUR missiles, but nowhere and no one said that of FOUR DEVICES. The maximum number of missiles on a boat is FOUR. I don't know where you saw the number EIGHT
By the way, for example, I came across information that they fired 3M14E missiles, that is, an export version, which in principle is understandable ...

Quote: CERHJ

Usually Ohio PLARK, all 4 pieces are loaded onto 156 KR. We wouldn’t be hindered by making a couple of Boreevs three under KR. I would immediately raise the force of the shock fleet. I remember back in 2013 Shoigu stated that in a few years the number of KR would increase 15 times. it’s not yet very visible. Maybe I counted from one ..

Actually, 154. But most often 140. For the devices and locks for combat swimmers installed on the body cover 4 mines ...
To make a couple of Boreas carriers of the CD is to reduce the naval component of nuclear forces by half a hundred ballistic missiles. Where Shoigu believed from - I do not know. Of course, we can assume that by putting into operation the Yaseny and modernizing the boats of Project 949A for new missiles, we will get such an increase

[Old26]

Dear SERHJ. Thank you so much for the footnote. Solid material, especially regarding the reload algorithm.
To be honest, the recharge time was also written from memory, you need to look for how much exactly. Now a few remarks regarding our conversation

1. The distance to the goal (Raqqi) from the coastline is about 289 km. The firing range of 3M14E is 300 km. So that could be enough

2. It is possible to recharge in 15 seconds - this is from the second stage tray. The description explains why it is not possible to use tray 1 for "long" rockets. When using the export version 3M14, this is possible. It is possible that the recharge time will be much less than 15 seconds.

3. The fact that they fired from 4 devices is extremely unlikely, because on the devices of the lower tier there is no data entry system for missiles. So most likely the reload from tray 1 is shorter and fired from two devices. Alas, to shoot without entering data into a rocket is money down the drain

[Old26]

Dear CERHJ (by the way, I would be grateful if I had given my name. Most likely, by name, Sergey, but these are just my assumptions). And with adequate forum users, I prefer to communicate by name.
My version is also built, unfortunately, on fragmented data.

What you say, in principle, can cause embarrassment, I mean the location of the TA for the project 877E submarines.
I do not agree with your wording that

Project 636.3 is characterized by a large unification with the 677 project Lada. On them ALL 6 TAs have a data entry system for firing KR. So, at least 4 TAs are also possible.

Project 636 in its various forms is the development of project 877. And in this case, the modernization of the Indian 877EKM in option 08773 (or 877.3) is bringing the boats to the level of project 636M or 636.1. Accordingly, the entire interior (the location of mechanisms and equipment) is identical
Project 636.1 (for export) and 636.3 (for Russia) boats, if they differ, then with equipment, but not with weapons.
The boat of project 677 was provided for the subsequent replacement of our 877 project, but somehow did not go. She is less than 636 tons project at 600.

Secondly, in the video, the time interval of 6 seconds between firing 2 and 3 of the CR. Talks about how hardly SUTA Murena managed to work out in such a short period of time. Moreover, if we are talking about full-fledged 3M14 KRs, not export ones.

I think it's worth measuring the time between the first and third missile. Because it is more accurate. During the time between shots No. 1 and No. 3, reloading occurred.

third. specially armed with a map with a scale allowing accurate measurement of distances from Latakia to Raqqa.Well, in a straight line it turns out 295 km. and this is if you just shoot "from the pier", and the CD should fly without maneuvering in a straight line, but with a tail wind. Well, I don’t think that our admirals would have decided on such an adventure. If two of 4 hadn’t reached, the stench would have been to the whole world. Therefore, I think that if there was a recharge, then from the second stage on the racks, and she would certainly not 6 seconds would last judging by the description of the order of movement ...

While we certainly can not judge. A target in the Raqqi region or hit the city itself (unlikely). Maneuvering is, in principle, not a mandatory element. It is enough that the correction areas are on a straight line and it will go in a straight line. Also. It would be rather foolish to shoot a missile at a distance of 3 hundred kilometers, which can go five times further. But all these are only assumptions.
Now I'm running away to work, we'll talk in the evening.