Media: Russia is testing a drone drone, which develops speeds up to 800 km / h

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In Russia, shock tests are being carried out drone, which develops speeds up to 800 km / h, reports Look with reference to tass.

Media: Russia is testing a drone drone, which develops speeds up to 800 km / h
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“A UAV is currently undergoing tests, which can perform both reconnaissance and shock functions. Its speed will be up to 800 km / h. The tests are close to completion, a source in the defense complex told the agency. “The payload of this unit is approximately 250 kg.”

At the recent collegium, the head of the Ministry of Defense Sergei Shoigu said: “The experience of performing combat missions in Syria has shown that they (UAV) are indispensable in the course of military operations.”

According to him, “if in the 2011, there were only 180 systems in the Armed Forces, now we have 1720 modern UAVs”.
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  1. +8
    14 December 2015 15: 04
    I would also like to know its autonomy.
    1. +16
      14 December 2015 15: 06
      Quote: Aroma77
      I would also like to know its autonomy.



      Then we ask the barmalei if any of them will remain alive! laughing
      1. +6
        14 December 2015 16: 56
        Quote: neri73-r
        Quote: Aroma77
        I would also like to know its autonomy.



        Then we ask the barmalei if any of them will remain alive! laughing
        you can't ask the barmaley - they have one answer "Allah akbar" fool
        1. -5
          14 December 2015 17: 57
          And when will we start to build the Death Star? fellow . It's time to start, you look, we’d have time to the beginning of the third world smile
          1. 0
            15 December 2015 10: 24
            Quote: Sterlya
            And when will we start to build the Death Star? fellow . It's time to start, you look, we’d have time to the beginning of the third world smile



            And who are you going to destroy with the Death Star? Is it really the Earth?
        2. 0
          14 December 2015 23: 34
          Yesterday it was necessary to build, the drummers had aired the Amers for about 4 years already. But better late than never! Still TTX in the studio to evaluate the product, and so to say, to add more and nothing, well done in general.
    2. +2
      14 December 2015 15: 06
      And yet - together with Israel, or how would your own?
      1. +8
        14 December 2015 15: 11
        It should be noted that the use of UAVs is much more economical in several respects and can be used more quickly to perform specific tasks to destroy targets ...
      2. +4
        14 December 2015 15: 40
        Quote: gray smeet
        together with Israel or

        What does Israel have to do with it? They have long demonstrated their dependence on ASP and their unwillingness to contribute to Russia. They can only slow down development. Such work should be 102% Russian.
        1. 0
          14 December 2015 16: 09
          Quote: Hedgehog
          Quote: gray smeet
          together with Israel or

          What does Israel have to do with it? They have long demonstrated their dependence on ASP and their unwillingness to contribute to Russia. They can only slow down development. Such work should be 102% Russian.


          I guess what you wanted to say ... But reading your words - I almost got lost. Sorry if that! hi But I knew once again - the power of the Russian language.
        2. +1
          14 December 2015 16: 34
          Two extra percent - is it for "kickbacks"?
      3. +6
        14 December 2015 17: 40
        The last five years in Israel between "respected people" are serious grapes ... With whom to be friends further, under whose roof to continue to live? If they still have not yet FINALLY figured it out, how can we make ANY predictions? In short - so far x. know. But "sudden movements" probably won't be. National mentality after all. ;-)))))
        As a marker - recently our "accidentally" flew to Ishrael ... Immediately after the Turks. Reaction - parsik !!! They say we understand everything, what they say does not happen, and in general - a shit question, and IF IT HAS BEEN REPEATED - there WILL NOT BE any "post-fire". The warriors have already received the appropriate instructions. Food for thought? ;-)

        Blinnnn, I didn’t spend the ruble on the trip - but already in Ukraine !!!!!!! ;-)))))) 21st century! Windows is cool. It’s about the ensign that I am casting out. Already shout glory to Ukraine? ;-))))))))))
        1. 0
          15 December 2015 02: 24
          Quote: sergius60

          Blinnnn, I didn’t spend the ruble on the trip - but already in Ukraine !!!!!!! ;-)))))) 21st century! Windows is cool. It’s about the ensign that I am casting out. Already shout glory to Ukraine? ;-))))))))))

          From the Crimea?
    3. +3
      14 December 2015 15: 48
      I would also like to know its autonomy.


      In the sense? Itself flies itself bombs, and in the evenings children read books? It seems that the tasks of various types of UAVs are already outlined, so no, we need to question the autonomy. Type, insufficient, five pancake kilometers, and descends into the net ....
      1. +5
        14 December 2015 16: 06
        Damn, shock UAV with a load of 250 kg crying

        We are playing catch-up again. Well, there is a ready-made Yak-130 with 3 tons of load, so create UAVs based on it, what for these 250 kg.
        Americans have long been replacing their MQ-1 with MQ-9 ...
        1. +2
          14 December 2015 16: 41
          UAVs must be able to barrage along 24-48 hours, for example along the border.
        2. +4
          14 December 2015 16: 49
          Falcon (1) RU Today, 16:06 ↑

          Damn, shock UAV with a load of 250 kg crying

          We are playing catch-up again. Well, there is a ready-made Yak-130 with 3 tons of load, so create UAVs based on it, what for these 250 kg.
          Americans have long been replacing their MQ-1 with MQ-9 ..


          Well, why should it be confused with soft and warm? Decide on goals and do tasks, otherwise you can draw Tu 160 .... hi
          1. 0
            14 December 2015 22: 19
            The fact that we are catching up on aviation, well, not counting 3-4 models, we need to thank Marshal Aviation Shaposhnikov (this is not Stalin). This flyer in the early 90s stated something like this: .. we need to buy modern airplanes, Boeing , Airbus and so on ... the words are not verbatim, but the meaning is true.
        3. +2
          14 December 2015 17: 42
          to bomb you? or for a long time to fly for reconnaissance purposes? if the first - then it is better with ordinary bombers ...
          1. +1
            14 December 2015 18: 05
            drone UAVs do so. fly for a long time, scout. having tracked a suitable target, they attack.
            1. 0
              14 December 2015 21: 01
              Crossed a horse and a quivering doe.
        4. 0
          14 December 2015 22: 41
          The drone should barrage and the longer it is in the zone, the better, there should not be a jet engine, some kind of low-power diesel, the main thing is to take at least a ton of combat load
    4. 0
      14 December 2015 16: 36
      I bought the same in the children's world .... smile
    5. 0
      14 December 2015 21: 43
      I wanted to know what speed matters?
    6. -2
      14 December 2015 22: 37
      Based on everything, the engine on it will be jet, autonomy will be extremely low. He flew out and sat down, in general another collective farm
  2. +7
    14 December 2015 15: 05
    Photo, as I understand it, is not related to the article?
    1. +1
      14 December 2015 15: 43
      Quote: XXXL
      Photo, as I understand it, is not related to the article?

      Isn't there a drone in the photo? It will be necessary, they will show from all sides. And while there is no need, you can show anything you want.
      1. -2
        14 December 2015 17: 14
        The fact of the matter is that in the photo it is "any" drone.
        And where is ours? Who are experiencing.
        Since there is no news, then they have to be invented. Accordingly, the given photos show "anything you like". Continuous announcements ...
        So it begs: "Was there a boy?"
        Well, the popular wisdom: "Do not say gop until you jump over."
        1. +4
          14 December 2015 18: 48
          Quote: I doubt it
          Since there is no news, then they have to be invented. Accordingly, the given photos show "anything you like". Continuous announcements ...
          So it begs: "Was there a boy?"

          And it was the same with Armata, do not hesitate.
        2. -1
          14 December 2015 21: 05
          Quote: I doubt it
          So it begs: "Was there a boy?"

          What a pity, they didn’t report to you personally, they didn’t give you the technical characteristics and they didn’t invite you to the test. And you made a conclusion - then this is all bullshit?
          1. 0
            15 December 2015 22: 23
            Silently minus, and justify what I'm wrong in?
        3. 0
          15 December 2015 12: 12
          Quote: I doubt it
          Since there is no news, they have to be invented.

          It seems that many in Russia do not know that every military attaché of every country is a scout and he has a darkness of agents from among the citizens of the country who are paid money for any information that is of little or little value. And what category do you belong to?
  3. +7
    14 December 2015 15: 05
    We build a silushka! The harder the fist, the harder it will hit at some point ...
  4. +14
    14 December 2015 15: 07
    It is necessary not only drones flying in the atmosphere and in orbit, but also underwater, surface, running, crawling-ground-tracked and wheeled.
    1. +5
      14 December 2015 15: 09
      And the network is everything! ... and we are reviewing Cameron’s film in which Schwartz starred
    2. +5
      14 December 2015 15: 10
      “The experience of performing combat missions in Syria has shown that they (UAVs) are indispensable in the course of hostilities”

      It comes gradually that there is no need to risk personnel when such devices can be used, and the effectiveness of their use grows from hour to hour.
      1. +1
        14 December 2015 16: 12
        Moreover, there are not so many qualified personnel in the ranks, much less in reserve, and there are more and more people who want to profit from our territory ((((.
    3. +2
      14 December 2015 15: 39
      Everything has its time! Do not drive horses! Impatient you what! Everything will be spock! wink But you still ++++++++ !!!!!!!!!!
  5. +8
    14 December 2015 15: 08
    I understand from the developments of the States and Israel that speed is not so important. The main thing is the radius and time spent in the air for combat duty. And the higher the speed, the smaller the radius and time in the air, unless you build large UAVs. When Russia already has something like the MQ-9 Reaper. I’m already silent about how RQ-4 Global Hawk UAVs are needed.
    1. +2
      14 December 2015 15: 30
      This does not mean that he constantly keeps 800 km / h! The device can hang over the operational area, but on command it accelerates and quickly reaches the target.
    2. 0
      14 December 2015 15: 53
      RQ-4 Global Hawk


      Yeah, just announce the price. And it turns out that the satellite is cheaper than such a UAV, and does not need gold maintenance.
      1. +3
        14 December 2015 16: 17
        Quote: Asadullah
        Yeah, just announce the price. And it turns out that the satellite is cheaper than such a UAV, and does not need gold maintenance.

        Yes, just the same satellite is cheaper ??? And also the satellite moves freely to any point ??? And probably the satellite can circle over one area for 20-30 hours ??? And probably the satellites have served for 10-20 years ???
      2. +1
        14 December 2015 16: 42
        Quote: Asadullah
        Yeah, just announce the price. And it turns out that the satellite is cheaper than such a UAV, and does not need gold maintenance.

        and since what time can a satellite barrage over a given area, and even able to dive under the clouds?
    3. +2
      14 December 2015 16: 01
      Really heavy (15-20 t. Class) was predicted in the 18th year. They work really intensively and started earlier than I expected. Where - you can find, but I'm sorry, not from me.
      1. +3
        14 December 2015 18: 30
        Quote: Azitral
        Really heavy (15-20 t. Class) was predicted in the 18th year. They work really intensively and started earlier than I expected. Where - you can find, but I'm sorry, not from me.

        Work on the Skat project was closed by the Mikoyanovtsy after losing to the Sokol design bureau (if sclerosis doesn’t fail with the name of this cb). Now several design bureaus are engaged in such development: Sukhoi, Sokol and one or two more design bureaus. according to the Skat project.
  6. +3
    14 December 2015 15: 14
    Any cruise missile, essentially a drone, only does not know how to return.
    So that remains to teach her not to fall on the target entirely and return home.
    1. +5
      14 December 2015 15: 19
      Quote: sir_obs
      Any cruise missile, essentially a drone, only does not know how to return.
      So that remains to teach her not to fall on the target entirely and return home.


      Is it like that joke? How did our rocket meet an American in the air, give it a drink, and then fly off to see her home? :)
      1. 0
        14 December 2015 15: 26
        Well something like that.
        When they attack in a flock, then one missile leading. She distributes the goals among the rest. Here is the escort, distributed and looked at the results and back.
      2. 0
        14 December 2015 15: 42
        good neighing laughing damn colic wassat
        , and then flew off to see that home? :)
        good good wassat
    2. +1
      14 December 2015 15: 27
      Yeah, let the house bang laughing
      Or should she attach another chassis so that she could sit quietly, without damage fellow
    3. 0
      14 December 2015 15: 57
      Any cruise missile, essentially a drone,


      No, the issue of profitability and the range of tasks is important here. And to land the Kyrgyz Republic, this is a long time ago misfortune, since 82, but no one has set it to her, for what the hell is necessary.
  7. +3
    14 December 2015 15: 20
    250 kg of load, somehow not enough for a drummer, + camera, detection system, communication.
    I recommend to wait, not to judge immediately.
    1. +2
      14 December 2015 15: 36
      Quote: Barracuda
      250 kg load, somehow not enough for a drummer

      I believe that 250 kg is a payload, i.e., ammunition.
    2. +1
      14 December 2015 15: 59
      250 kg load, somehow not enough for a drummer


      This is a secondary task for surgical intervention. For example, if an object is moving, or preparing to move.
  8. +5
    14 December 2015 15: 24
    According to him, “if in the 2011, there were only 180 systems in the Armed Forces, now we have 1720 modern UAVs”.
    Not a bad growth, is it? Apparently, not everyone in the Moscow Region is engaged in cutting. Someone invents, someone engineer, someone finances.
    1. -1
      14 December 2015 16: 01
      not everyone in the Moscow Region is engaged in cutting.


      I hear so much about the cut of the military order, but have never seen it. Can you enlighten how this happens?
      1. +1
        14 December 2015 16: 07
        I, too, only hear what I have to do with it regularly. I can’t enlighten, I myself want to know.
        1. +1
          14 December 2015 16: 52
          elementary, I will enlighten you, this is when they put a "military" "voltmeter" for 120t.r. because it is spelled out in the documentation, therefore, you can't just put another one, it is produced by one single plant, as much as 80 pieces per year. more questions?
          1. 0
            14 December 2015 17: 18
            elementary, I will enlighten you, this is when they put a "military" "voltmeter" for 120t.r. because it is spelled out in the documentation, therefore, you can't just put another one, it is produced by one single plant, as much as 80 pieces per year. more questions?


            Well? What is this "voltmeter" for 120 thousand? And what a factory that produces 80 pieces, for ten lemons a year, just like the turnover of a Chinese consumer goods stall.

            That's how it all begins, with such storytellers. Are you the case, not the daughter of an officer, from a decent house, where everything is not so clear?
            1. +1
              14 December 2015 17: 23
              I will enlighten youis already alarming. I didn’t want to answer, but if you answered, then I subscribe.
            2. 0
              14 December 2015 18: 00
              My father worked at a factory (box) in the 70s, drawings were received, a detail is simple, there is a groove in it ... the accuracy of the groove is the highest. to ask no one else - the father died, the kingdom of heaven), messed up a bunch of material, made it ... weeks pass, the father walks and sees - their parts lie in a box with a crowbar. He's a detail from there to grab the master, and with him gallop to the engineer -type what kind of garbage ??? he looked and said "new sets of drawings came from the design bureau, it will be a little different." It turns out that the cable had to move along the groove only, i.e. there just a smooth surface was needed, so that it would not cling, and not at all the crazy cleanliness of the processing. As a result, a hard lever walked along a similar groove - but also with a high cleanliness of the groove processing.
              Then everyone did not care, someone reinsured themselves in KB too much ...
              In a similar situation, the cost of those approaches would now grow tens of times, with the full appearance of legality ....
            3. 0
              14 December 2015 18: 10
              Quote: Asadullah
              Well? What is this "voltmeter" for 120 thousand? And what a factory that produces 80 pieces, for ten lemons a year, just like the turnover of a Chinese consumer goods stall.
              That's how it all begins, with such storytellers. Are you the case, not the daughter of an officer, from a decent house, where everything is not so clear?

              The daughter of an officer ... right now under your nose. I would have detailed it to you, but you don’t have permission laughing
            4. +3
              14 December 2015 18: 11
              Quote: Asadullah
              Well? What is this "voltmeter" for 120 thousand? And what a factory that produces 80 pieces, for ten lemons a year, just like the turnover of a Chinese consumer goods stall.

              In vain you attacked a comrade like that, wherever there is construction or production and more than two links in the transfer of money from the customer to the final producer there is a cut and theft. Let's say a tender for the production of the nth product is won by some design bureau (most often some concern is further its subsidiary with design bureau) - further the design bureau does not deal with the product from beginning to end, some components or even assemblies come from other sections.
              Most of the nodes (parts, blocks, etc.), in turn, are collected from other parts, where often again two three chains and a loss of funds.
              1. +1
                14 December 2015 20: 54
                You shouldn’t have pounced on your comrade


                We proceed from the fact that we are not muscular young ladies, and are used to holding a blow incomparable with a sharp word. wink

                Part of my job is to calculate all kinds of "craftsmen" from papers, from that and these drops of the acid of consciousness. According to the VAT declaration, I can confidently say where it is unclean, and the reordering is such a complex form of approvals for each screw and such a cumbersome control system that only a complete id-iot can try to apply a rollback system there, read cuts. Dreaming of a diet on government bread. Trouble begins after all the approvals and signatures.
                1. 0
                  14 December 2015 23: 49
                  Quote: Asadullah
                  we are not muscular young ladies, and we are used to holding a blow incomparable with a sharp word ...
                  The trouble begins after all the approvals and signatures.

                  and here I agree wink
                2. 0
                  15 December 2015 05: 43
                  He didn’t want to answer, but he was not contained. MO site what is it if not cut? Ask how much the customer paid for it and estimate that it could cost 240 million rubles there.
        2. 0
          14 December 2015 17: 29
          I, too, only hear what I have to do with it regularly.


          Well, the hearer, according to dialectics, has ears. The fact is that you will not undermine the agreed defense order by a certain rise in price. It's a welded circuit, government-producer banks. Find the weak link there. The weak link is that before enterprises, besides the defense order, there are still economic relations with other banks, or with the same, if you will, any defense order, this is a reason to take the government by the throat, so that with the threat of non-fulfillment to solve their long-standing problems. Recently, the government got tired of this and just started to bankrupt especially presumptuous banks. No bank, no debt, no problem. This is all not easy, and unsightly, and burdensome for the state, but in this scheme, such a primitive method as cutting is completely absent. Or the mythical "voltmeter", for 120 thousand, with nuts made of gold.
          1. 0
            15 December 2015 10: 15
            Quote: Asadullah
            Well, the hearer has dialectic ears. The fact is that you will not shake the agreed defense order in any way with a certain rise in price.

            laughing Asadullah, I perfectly understood what you mean. Only the cut begins even before the defense order is agreed. As a designer and builder - I can confidently say that very, I repeat - very often, they put money into various works with a margin of one and a half to two times, they will cut it in type anyway.
            Customers very often oblige to work with specific suppliers of this or that equipment, whose price is usually also ten (one hundred) percent (if not 2-3 times) higher. In addition, the supplier is often not a manufacturer. Therefore, if some Israeli sight is placed on the tank, which costs 10 thousand from the factory. killed raccoons, according to estimates, it will cost 15-20 thousand cu Because Vasya-Pupkin Co. (in some kind of successors Serdyukovichberg) is an official supplier ...
            But our state-owned companies, including defense ones, have a bad job working directly or is simply forbidden.
    2. 0
      14 December 2015 16: 20
      Quote: avva2012
      Not a bad growth, is it?

      The numbers are pretty good. But what goes in there ??? For example, if Dozor-600 there are pieces of 200-300 then it is not bad, but if there is a class of Dozor-600 pieces of 10-20, and the rest are small UAVs that are launched by hand, this is not an indicator.
      1. 0
        14 December 2015 17: 15
        Small, large, still growth. And now, serious devices are on their way. Let's support Nadia, suddenly, not everything is as bad as it seems to us.
  9. +2
    14 December 2015 15: 27
    There is a great future for drones, as much as fantasy has played out.
    1. 0
      14 December 2015 15: 43
      Yeah, me too! I'm sitting fantasizing about this hop topic I see your message! ++++++ !!! good
  10. +2
    14 December 2015 15: 28
    Systems development is great! If we compare this device with "Buran", which was the only unmanned copy at that time. Anyway, we are developing !!!
    1. +1
      14 December 2015 16: 06
      If we compare this device with "Buran", which was the only unmanned copy at that time


      Not just a drone! And with a built-in element of artificial intelligence, chips of the Vega program !!! He could monitor the situation, and depending on it, several times approach the landing, analyzing telemetry. And how many we do not know yet. They say the Americans have stolen some part of the Vega program. Or maybe not stolen, but stupidly bought with the equipment handed over for scrap. That's it ....
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        1. +1
          14 December 2015 21: 01
          Without engines?


          I mean, without engines? I wrote about the capabilities of the Vega operating system, and it was there one, two, three plus subsidiary projects such as VILKAS. Buran was automatically planted by Vega. As you understand, this OS can be used on any aircraft. Probably so today it is, only the name is different.
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            1. +1
              14 December 2015 23: 52
              The complex of radio-technical systems of navigation, landing, trajectory control and air traffic control "VIMPEL" was responsible for the automatic landing of Buran, and for the automatic landing of civilian ships "Bridgehead", which meets the requirements of ICAO.


              smile Well, you see, you own the big picture of huge achievements, and I’m just a fragment that can increase in significance. Nevertheless, I am awed by this gigantic work of scientists, engineers, and technicians. How much was thought, ideas, labor. Bow to them. And I thank you for expanding my horizons.
  11. +5
    14 December 2015 15: 28
    I want myself so! )))
    And then, Khan Kolyan, that he took from me a hundredth of the May holidays yet !!!
    From such a device - "do not hide, do not hide!" )))
    ... Sorry, comrades, just a good mood! I'm going on vacation!)))
    I wish you all the same! For the first time in five years on vacation ...
    1. +1
      14 December 2015 15: 40
      Quote: Mihalich17
      I want myself so! )))


      It is hard to imagine how your Wishlist would grow if it were six years without vacation .....
    2. 0
      14 December 2015 15: 53
      Quote: Mihalich17
      For the first time in five years on vacation

      And from 1991 to the summer of 2006 I didn’t have any holidays and, oddly enough, I’m alive.
  12. 0
    14 December 2015 15: 35
    Russian "kulibins" begin to invent monsters. Well done!
  13. 0
    14 December 2015 15: 37
    Wow! 800 km / h Impressive, brothers!
  14. +1
    14 December 2015 15: 50
    This is not a monster. A beautiful man-made bird, carrying a retribution gift in the womb.
    1. 0
      14 December 2015 15: 55
      Yes, you romantic! laughing
  15. +1
    14 December 2015 16: 11
    Quote: avva2012
    Yes, you romantic!

    It’s good that there is romance in our country. Sometimes it happens that with their ideas they are far ahead of their time.
    TB-1: the first airborne robot

    http://svpressa.ru/post/article/104936/?rintr=1
    1. +1
      14 December 2015 17: 19
      On romantics, everything keeps. This, the liberals, believe that the Gulag is the reason for the economic growth in the USSR of the 30's. Let them continue to think so miserable.
  16. -2
    14 December 2015 16: 19
    Maximum speed too low (800 km / h).
    And do not be equal to Israel and the United States; must play ahead of the curve!
    1. +1
      14 December 2015 16: 29
      Small? And how are you going to search for a moving target with a UAV at such a speed? I remember that on "Swifts" a miss past the AFS square meant a failure of the task, and this at a speed of 900 km / h, when even aerial photography gives 2-3 normal images. And for a drummer, such a speed is simply unrealistic for the normal work of the operator. Ideally, the UAV should be a slow-moving vehicle, so that the operator does not guess - and what flashed there.
    2. 0
      14 December 2015 16: 29
      Small? And how are you going to search for a moving target with a UAV at such a speed? I remember that on "Swifts" a miss past the AFS square meant a failure of the task, and this at a speed of 900 km / h, when even aerial photography gives 2-3 normal images. And for a drummer, such a speed is simply unrealistic for the normal work of the operator. Ideally, the UAV should be a slow-moving vehicle, so that the operator does not guess - and what flashed there.
  17. 0
    14 December 2015 16: 51
    And what time is the delay of the control channel? Via satellite ...
  18. 0
    14 December 2015 18: 14
    250 kg payload, laughter and more.
  19. +1
    14 December 2015 22: 29
    Quote: Botanologist
    Small? And how are you going to search for a moving target with a UAV at such a speed? I remember that on "Swifts" a miss past the AFS square meant a failure of the task, and this at a speed of 900 km / h, when even aerial photography gives 2-3 normal images. And for a drummer, such a speed is simply unrealistic for the normal work of the operator. Ideally, the UAV should be a slow-moving vehicle, so that the operator does not guess - and what flashed there.

    Ideally, the UAV should be a robot, not a slow moving one. And the operator - so ... the overall look.
  20. 0
    14 December 2015 22: 49
    How tired of already inserting this UAV photo everywhere, it’s a simple layout that has never even risen !!! And they painted it.
  21. 0
    14 December 2015 23: 22
    250kg payload, such an apparatus for sabotage purposes is good. odious bearded boys to soak, the very thing will quickly pay off.
  22. 0
    15 December 2015 05: 52
    The combat load is too small !!!