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Russia's military power impressed Britain

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David Blair, foreign correspondent for the British newspaper The Telegraph, believes that the Russians are sending a signal to the West through a demonstration of power in Syria. Submarines, cruise missiles, modern combat aircraft — all this Vladimir Putin uses in Syria to demonstrate Russia's military might. And this power is such that the correspondent is forced to admit: the Putin military machine is as strong as the American or British one.


Russia's military power impressed Britain


Recall 8 December, on Tuesday, Russia launched a rocket attack on the objects of the "Islamic State" with Caliber missiles from the Rostov-on-Don submarine from the Mediterranean. The Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu informed the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin about this.

“For the first time, Caliber cruise missiles were deployed from the Rostov-on-Don submarine from the Mediterranean Sea,” Shoigu said. RIA News".

Until Tuesday last week, a foreign correspondent for the British newspaper notes "The Telegraph" David Blair, the United States and Great Britain were the only states whose ability to launch cruise missiles from submarines against ground targets was proven.

However, after the volley tore through the calm waters of the Mediterranean, and the rockets rose into the cloudless sky, Russia became the third member of the club for the elite.

Cruise missiles launched by a submarine of the corresponding class clearly show, the correspondent believes that President Putin is using "his intervention in Syria" to demonstrate "Russian military prowess."

Aircraft that have never been used before in battle are now flying in the Syrian sky, the best Tanks the Russian army is fighting on earth, and now the West is also observing launches of cruise missiles from under water.

But the Syrian rebels do not have air defense, and samples of modern weapons they have very little, the author laments. And because there is no "obvious military reason" for which Russia must use the most powerful tools from its arsenal. It is like trying to hammer small carnations with a huge sledgehammer.

Experts believe, the journalist writes further that Mr. Putin’s real goal is to send a signal to the United States and NATO.

Increasing military spending from 2005, Putin wants to prove that his armed forces correspond to some of the "most formidable military assets of the West." And “cruise missiles that took off from the Mediterranean were probably the most important element of this demonstration,” the author believes.

Over the past 20 years, the US Navy launched Tomahawk missiles from its Los Angeles-class submarines. The British Royal Navy did the same using the Trafalgar class submarines (currently replaced by Astute).

Given that cruise missiles allow both fleets hit targets almost anywhere in the world, and the launch pad cannot be determined (it is hidden in the depths of the ocean), the “submarine-cruise missile” pattern is “the pinnacle of sea power,” Blair sums up.

Soon the Anglo-American “duopoly” will be challenged by France: it will have the opportunity to launch cruise missiles when its Barracuda class submarines are commissioned (this is expected to happen in 2017).

China is developing its own version of such weapons.

But it turned out that Russia got it faster! Using its weapons, the Kremlin hastened to make public the video footage of naval missile launches in the direction of Syria. “All targets were destroyed,” Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu reported.

Brigadier General Ben Barry, a senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, says cruise missiles are hardly the “most cost-effective way” to destroy “defenseless targets in Syria”.

But Barry knows what's wrong. Cost, as well as efficiency, are not included in the calculations of Russians. “If I were a Russian officer, I would say that it has a deterrent effect: NATO will have to stay on the chairs and accept news as a given, ”said General Barry, not without irony.

Earlier, Russia had already launched cruise missiles from four warships in the Caspian, the journalist reminds, and this was also the first time. The Russian navy has not yet used such weapons from surface ships.

Barry believes that if the Russians want to warn that they are “the adventurism of an irresponsible NATO,” then such a weapon will just help give a signal in the right direction. Cruise missile launches from surface ships and submarines are what you need to demonstrate power.

At the same time, Putin is giving a signal to ordinary citizens, Russians, who are impoverished, being in the grip of an economic crisis. These people are also "part of the target audience." “It helps [the Kremlin] to justify in the eyes of the Russian public the expenditure of resources on military modernization,” said Mr. Barry.

And here are the other "tricks" of Putin, also called to demonstrate something. According to the modernization program of the Kremlin, the Russian Air Force adopted forty-six new Su-34 aircraft. These advanced military aircraft, the correspondent notes, are currently operating in Syria, which will undoubtedly allow Russian specialists to evaluate their effectiveness.

And that is not all. Earlier this month, it turned out, the journalist writes that the main T-90 battle tanks (“the most advanced model in the Russian army”) were deployed in Syria. T-72 was vulnerable to anti-tank missiles used by the militants, and T-90 was protected by the Blind, a defense system that interferes with the destruction of the control mechanism of any missiles approaching the target. And soon this system will be tested for the first time in battle.

On top of that, Russia sent to Syria its “most formidable strategic bomber” - Tu-160. His initial task at the time when he was being created was deep penetration into the enemy's protected airspace. Of course, with nuclear weapons on board.

But in Syria, “there is no obvious military reason for sending such a Leviathan,” the author believes. To punish the "rebels" with nuclear weapons? The correspondent does not believe in it. Apparently, the Russians decided to "impress a wide audience."

So, to add in conclusion, the British and Americans (or rather, NATO members) had to admit that there was a replenishment in the “elite club”: a new member entered there “without demand”. And who would have thought that these stubborn Russians would overtake both the French and the Chinese?

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  1. novobranets
    novobranets 16 December 2015 06: 30
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    a demonstration of power in Syria, the Russians send a signal to the West. Submarines, cruise missiles, modern combat aircraft - all this Vladimir Putin uses in Syria in order to demonstrate Russia's military power. And this power is such that the correspondent is forced to admit: Putin's military machine is as strong as the American or British.
    You, Westerners, have long been told, "Guys, you don't need to talk to Russia from a position of strength, it is fraught." Well, what can you do if the West does not understand the words, you have to demonstrate by example. The further spread of NATO can exhaust even angelic patience, rumors about which, by the way, are greatly exaggerated. Play with fire, kids.
    1. Kostyar
      Kostyar 16 December 2015 06: 32
      57
      And who would have thought that these stubborn Russians would overtake both the French and the Chinese?

      It's too early to draw conclusions, "partners"! That's not all! You still have to wonder, wonder and wonder !!!
      1. SSR
        SSR 16 December 2015 06: 42
        24
        In general, this phrase makes you want to poke sloppy mutts in the horns

        And who would have thought that these stubborn Russians would overtake both the French and the Chinese

        Did these mutts haven’t learned the lesson?
        These stubborn Russians have already knocked down the horns of a united Europe at least twice, and the hunt cracked into the pubis to say - we scolded the horns of a united Europe angry
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 16 December 2015 07: 51
          45
          Quote: SSR
          These stubborn Russians have already knocked down the horns of a united Europe at least twice, and the hunt cracked into the pubis to say - we scolded the horns of a united Europe

          Putin swelled a ton of money into the defense industry, which the liberals and some Jews are very indignant at. Our country always has to be strong and personally I am glad and proud that it is one of the most militarily strong. Social is really lame, but I'm sure that we will bring it to mind together, only together.
          1. cniza
            cniza 16 December 2015 08: 35
            31
            Putin swelled a ton of money into the defense industry, which the liberals and some Jews are very indignant at. Our country always has to be strong and personally I am glad and proud that it is one of the most militarily strong. Social is really lame, but I'm sure that we will bring it to mind together, only together.






            I think we will not whine, but in silence we will do our job.
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 16 December 2015 19: 36
              +5
              I think we will not whine, but in silence we will do our job.


              I think you can’t say better. The thing to do. hi
          2. Bgerl
            Bgerl 16 December 2015 23: 08
            +7
            If we are not strong, we will not be at all - neither economically, nor strategically, nor even physically. There will be a couple of hundred thousand beggars on the small fragments of the once great country, and tens of thousands of traitors who fled to "prosperous and democratic" countries.
            1. ViewfromUSA
              ViewfromUSA 18 December 2015 22: 44
              -2
              "If we are not strong, we will not be at all - neither economically, nor strategically, nor even physically"
              And if we are strong, we will be frail and decrepit - after all, the social sphere suffers, the standard of living falls. From 50% to 70% of the salary for food, for a hole in trousers - a patch, socks - to darn, on a belt - another hole! After all, they survived in the 60s!
          3. Nick
            Nick 16 December 2015 23: 56
            +4
            Quote: Alexej
            Putin swelled a ton of money into the defense industry, which the liberals and some Jews are very indignant at.

            Jews Satanovsky, Wasserman, Soloviev For! And those who are not against the Jews, but rootless cosmopolitans.
          4. Pilot
            Pilot 18 December 2015 14: 09
            0
            Quote: Alexej
            Putin swelled a lot of money in the defense industry

            Little swell. It is necessary to create and implement, then train and only then show in action. Yes, and that would not be stolen, to trace, which is important for Russia.
        2. edge
          edge 16 December 2015 12: 57
          +5
          Quote: SSR
          Did these mutts haven’t learned the lesson?

          where to them, they have a short memory and hypertrophied greed ....
        3. Sasha 19871987
          Sasha 19871987 16 December 2015 14: 22
          12
          the British think a lot about themselves, their army is incomparable neither with ours nor with the American ...
          1. antrikot
            antrikot 20 December 2015 02: 38
            0
            The army of Great Britain, despite its small size (29-place by the number of active army - 187 970 people), is considered the strongest in Europe (5-place in the ranking of the strongest armies in the world).

            According to various sources, the UK has the third or fourth largest military spending in the world. Total military spending is about 2,5% of a country's GDP.

            The British Army is one of the most technologically advanced and trained armies in the world. Its air force and fleet are the largest in the EU and the second in size in NATO. Britain has nuclear weapons and new strategic submarine rocket carriers that are on duty in the world's oceans.

            The military policy of the country lately provides for the participation of British troops in military operations of any kind only as part of a coalition. This is confirmed by the British military operations in Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Mali. The last war, in which Great Britain participated alone, was the Falklands War in the 1982 year, which ended in victory.
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      2. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist 16 December 2015 09: 51
        +6
        And we also took the "British scientist" into orbit so that he could see the details from there.
        1. LeftPers
          LeftPers 16 December 2015 10: 43
          +7
          We must now let him go in space, "let him fly."
      3. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 16 December 2015 10: 08
        +5
        replenishment happened in the "elite club": a new member entered there "without demand"

        Yesterday I saw a program on RBC (I liked yes good - downloaded
        According to the Stockholm Institute for Peace Research (SIPRI), 100 Russian companies were among the 11 largest arms manufacturers. Last year there were 9. The leader of the rating is unconditional - American companies, which account for 55% of global sales. Due to what the Russian military-industrial complex managed to increase sales, amid a global decline in this indicator. Is Oboronka becoming the locomotive of the Russian economy?

      4. Sweles
        Sweles 16 December 2015 12: 38
        16
        So, to add in conclusion, the British and Americans (or rather, NATO members) had to admit that there was a replenishment in the “elite club”: a new member entered there “without demand”. And who would have thought that these stubborn Russians would overtake both the French and the Chinese?


        stupid Britons believe that the elite is the launch of cruise missiles from under the water? but even the XA101 strategic air-launched cruise missiles weighing more than 2 tons will not be able to carry MEGATON-CLASS warheads and therefore no "elite", but real royal weapons are VOEVODA, which can destroy the ENTIRE Island of Britain with ONE warhead and put not only an end to British meanness, but on the ALL history of this quarrelsome and aggressive page, therefore, it is VOEVODA that is the ELITE OF THE ELITE.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 16 December 2015 21: 59
          +2
          Did not guess. Modern megaton-class warheads are not used not because they are too large and heavy, but because it is more efficient to use several warheads with hundreds of kilotons of equivalent, with the same total weight they are guaranteed to destroy everything in a much larger territory. Heavy-class ballistic missiles carry not only a dozen warheads, but also dozens of false targets, which also eat up weight and space.
          1. Sweles
            Sweles 17 December 2015 00: 43
            -4
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Did not guess. Modern megaton-class warheads are not used not because they are too large and heavy, but because it is more efficient to use several warheads with hundreds of kilotons of equivalent, with the same total weight they are guaranteed to destroy everything in a much larger territory.


            that's for sure? , but how do you know, maybe a reference?
            but I don't think you guessed right, modern hydrogen bombs are now unknown what weight, and as for several warheads, the purpose of the use of nuclear weapons is not "destruction of the territory", but the destruction of the enemy, material resources, manpower, and for this, 2 striking factor EXPLOSION WAVE and LIGHT FLASH and so the blast wave from the mono-head is greater, and multi-headed missiles are simply better protected from damage.
            1. Qubi
              Qubi 18 December 2015 13: 37
              +1
              I am sorry, but as far as I was taught from nuclear weapons, five damaging factors:
              1. blast wave
              2. Light emission
              3. Penetrating radiation
              4. Radioactive contamination of the area
              5.Electromagnetic pulse.
              When using nuclear weapons at a maritime theater, a basic wave is added.
        2. kvapu1976
          kvapu1976 17 December 2015 11: 03
          0
          The Britons always suffered from their stupid conservatism and narcissism; their brains are simply not able to understand the capabilities of the Strategic Missile Forces.
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      6. edge
        edge 16 December 2015 12: 56
        +3
        Quote: Bone
        It's too early to draw conclusions, "partners"! That's not all! You still have to wonder, wonder and wonder !!!

        they still do not make conclusions, finely chased sitting in expectation of something else .....
      7. NEXUS
        NEXUS 16 December 2015 17: 56
        +3
        Quote: Bone
        It's too early to draw conclusions, "partners"! That's not all! You still have to wonder, wonder and wonder !!!

        We didn’t show all the strength. The VKS and the Navy did a little work. The land component of the Russian Federation a bit at the Victory Parade showed something like that, but the tops. But you can’t relax with such exclamations. Military space, Strategic Missile Forces (update), missile defense and air defense, VKS, Navy ... .
        The space satellite constellation in our country is weak in comparison with the mattress one, and soon China will catch up with us in terms of the number of satellites. In fact, they have begun to engage in the fleet in recent years, although we are not yet building ships of the first rank. The PAK FA has not yet been launched into the series for the new interceptor little is known (MIG-41), we are trying to launch new strategists (and we need to get too much money there), and so on ...
        We are only at the very beginning of this all. So when the new systems begin to arrive, not piece by piece, but in series (taking into account the industrial capacities that need to be developed), then we can talk about something.
      8. SAXA.SHURA
        SAXA.SHURA 17 December 2015 17: 04
        +1
        Better to think about how many megatons are needed to make a hole out of England, Russia has always been stronger and we should not be accepted into the clubs, otherwise "Bulava" or "Sineva" will take them to the suicide club. Antlers to hell and nothing else can oppose us.
      9. Lepila
        Lepila 18 December 2015 15: 24
        +1
        There is another country capable of launching cruise missiles from submarines. This is my small but proud country (I am an Israeli, a Ukrainian flag because I am on a business trip in Kiev)
        By the way, this week the fifth submarine Dolphin of the improved project 212 was officially transferred to our Navy in Kiel. It is they who launch Popeye-Turbo cruise missiles. They were developed after the Americans refused to sell us Tomahawks
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 December 2015 06: 42
      18
      the submarine-cruise missile pattern represents the “pinnacle of sea power,” Blair concludes
      what then is the scheme: submarine cruiser - "blue" - "kapets". ??? what
    3. Lyton
      Lyton 16 December 2015 07: 02
      22
      This one he apparently still doesn’t know about the construction battalion.
      1. Gavril
        Gavril 16 December 2015 08: 51
        +7
        laughing these animals are not even given weapons
      2. 72jora72
        72jora72 18 December 2015 15: 35
        0
        This one he apparently still doesn’t know about the construction battalion.
        In general, the ordinary infantry Vanya won all the wars ...
    4. cap
      cap 16 December 2015 10: 26
      +7
      "But the Syrian rebels do not have air defense, and they have very few samples of modern weapons," the author laments. Therefore, there is no "obvious military reason" for which Russia should use the most powerful weapons in its arsenal. It's like trying to kill small carnations with a huge sledgehammer. "

      Have a fly swatter to throw.
      Too inadequate in relation to the flies. Suddenly they will hire a lawyer (British) and will be judged there. Life is guaranteed.
      The assurance that they are spreading the infection is not taken into account, since the "British scientists" think otherwise fellow .
      1. jjj
        jjj 16 December 2015 11: 04
        +6
        These are the thoughts that come up. In the West, apparently, sincerely believe that Russia is a very weak country with a decorative Armed Forces. Apparently, Western intelligence has completely forgotten how to spy, and our counterintelligence is able to breathe in misinformation. Therefore, any real action by our troops is so perceived. It becomes a pity for our probable friends - they live in illusions
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 18 December 2015 14: 10
          0
          Quote: jjj
          These are the thoughts that come up. In the West, apparently, sincerely believe that Russia is a very weak country with a decorative Armed Forces. Apparently, Western intelligence has completely forgotten how to spy, and our counterintelligence is able to breathe in misinformation.

          what Yes, they all know and know how, they just hang noodles for their inhabitants for a British dog barks at an elephant, but people don’t know that this elephant is not necessary - let everyone consider the elephant a rabbit. Well, actually the political trend - to equate oneself with the United States, is very similar to the behavior of a jackal from Mowgli.
          The sea power (so far) is the only one on the planet - it is the USA, with which side the shaves entered themselves - and even into the elite - xs, apparently the old memories of the past glory of the royal fleet.
      2. Beaver
        Beaver 16 December 2015 15: 03
        +3
        there is no “obvious military reason" for which Russia should use the most powerful means from its arsenal. It's like trying to hammer a little clove with a huge sledgehammer.

        Do not try, but score. And on the very hat with one blow. And so that no one else wants to get under the distribution. soldier
    5. Altona
      Altona 16 December 2015 18: 11
      0
      Quote: novobranets
      You, Westerners, have long been told, "Guys, you don't need to talk to Russia from a position of strength, it is fraught."

      -------------------
      They waited for tank columns flashing with armor and marching legions of infantry, but no, they would also receive bunches of nuclear fire arrows, only more cruel and sophisticated ...
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 17 December 2015 15: 26
        0
        Nevertheless, the use of eights in the role of shockers unusual for them - this somehow demoralizes. It is fashionable to laugh at the Americans, but the Americans don’t have such nonsense - they have the main helicopter in the role of Apache. And not like ours - there are a lot of terribly ancient Crocodiles, even more Mi-8 and court cranes, a few Mi-28 and Ka-52. In any normal country, it was adopted as the only drummer with the best combat characteristics, that is, the Ka-52. But not with us, where lobbyism reigns.
    6. maks-101
      maks-101 16 December 2015 20: 11
      +1
      [/: Putin’s war machine is as strong as the American or British]
      especially the British army which does not fight without pampas, and this is in the literal sense.
  2. ImPerts
    ImPerts 16 December 2015 06: 33
    +5
    If we disengage, then we are gaining our place in the yard hierarchy. The collapse of the USSR and the post-Soviet collapse were not in vain.
    But the old-new Russia turned out to be with its fists.
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      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 December 2015 09: 17
        +4
        Quote: BABA SHURA
        Glory to the Emperor !!!

        grandmother ... were you in lethargy, or in a coma? banged the emperor for a long time! wassat
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 16 December 2015 14: 15
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          grandmother ... were you in lethargy, or in a coma? banged the emperor for a long time!

          Maybe she's about Akihito? wassat
      2. eplewke
        eplewke 16 December 2015 10: 09
        +1
        I'd rather say "king". Why not introduce a constitutional monarchy in the country? :)
        1. Hell's Angel
          Hell's Angel 16 December 2015 11: 18
          -2
          Why not introduce a constitutional monarchy in the country? :)
          And whom do you see on the imperial (royal) throne? Although I guess. And what doesn’t it bother you with? Well, at least a little?
        2. Altona
          Altona 16 December 2015 18: 20
          +1
          Quote: eplewke
          I'd rather say "king". Why not introduce a constitutional monarchy in the country? :)

          ---------------------
          What will it give? Secondly, who can be recognized as the vicegerent of God on earth, worthy of anointing? The idea itself has been wrapped many times historically yields nothing in the absence of agreement in society and does not serve as a guarantee of corruption, injustice and backwardness. On the contrary, the court retinue will be assembled, all kinds of favorites, habitats and other elite rabble, which is difficult to control by elements of civil society. It is necessary to develop genuinely popular governance, put power under control from below, and pull over the overtly servants of the people.
          1. Extraneous
            Extraneous 16 December 2015 22: 29
            +2
            An example of a very stable, long-term and effective monarchy is Great Britain.
            If it seems to someone that the British royal house is just a sign, then he is deeply mistaken. Read about the rights and obligations of the Queen of Great Britain and you will understand that almost all politics determine it.
            If it seems to someone that Britain is a small island, then let it respect the constitutions of Canada and Australia.
            This old woman just looks funny and kind. Her grip is steel and her brains work perfectly. Not like her son.
            The British know how to fight. Another thing is that they prefer to fight with the wrong hands and use the states for this. It’s not the states that lead the main game, but Britain. she only pretends to be weak and dependent. But you should not believe in it.
        3. unfriendly
          unfriendly 16 December 2015 20: 02
          0
          Quote: eplewke
          Why not introduce a constitutional monarchy in the country

          It’s not safe when suddenly the tsar’s king relaxes, he doesn’t sit on the stakes anyway, crying or else we will introduce "constitutional serfdom"? belay I’d better draw a tick for him in the elections. smile
          1. Altona
            Altona 16 December 2015 21: 46
            -2
            Quote: unfriendly
            I’d better draw a tick for him in the elections.

            ------------------
            This is actually an element of direct democracy, voting in elections. In addition, the "king" himself introduces an element of control in the form of the ONF, whose activists stir up corrupt officials.
    2. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 16 December 2015 08: 25
      12
      "Good must be with fists". For our world is such that a kind word and a pistol can achieve much more in it than just a kind word. Human civilization has been going on for more than one millennium, and nevertheless, that savage cannibals from some Polynesia or the jungle of the Amazon, that British (other European and overseas) gentlemen hold only brute force in high esteem. And they, especially gentlemen, need to knock on the head more than once. so that they finally understand that it is not worth teasing a bear living peacefully in its den - the bear is kind, but strong, and if you offend him, then you won't get away from him even on a horse. Proven by practice, both taiga and world (in the sense of history).
      I have the honor.
      PS Comparison of the military power of Russia and Britain was especially touched. That's expertD.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 16 December 2015 11: 01
        +5
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        That's expertD.

        Quote: article
        So, to add in conclusion, the British and Americans (or rather, NATO members) had to admit that there was a replenishment in the “elite club”: a new member entered there “without demand”. And who would have thought that these stubborn Russians would overtake both the French and the Chinese?

        Indeed, bullshit is complete, well, which is logical in other respects, given that this analytical opus was composed specifically for the new, just born, small-minded western generation. He’s not in the house that Russia has been in this club since ancient times, the KS-1 1951 and X-20 1957 cruise missiles. In the West, everyone without a doubt suffers from amnesia, each time they discover something new)))
  3. bad
    bad 16 December 2015 06: 38
    +9
    At the same time, Putin is giving a signal to ordinary citizens, Russians, who are impoverished, being in the grip of an economic crisis. These people are also "part of the target audience." “It helps [the Kremlin] to justify in the eyes of the Russian public the expenditure of resources on military modernization,” said Mr. Barry.
    ..we are impoverished ..isolated..economy torn to shreds..were lost and putinsl .. = DO NOT WAIT!
  4. Just BB
    Just BB 16 December 2015 06: 44
    +3
    And who would have thought ...?


    And what else can anyone think?
    It seems only speak и делать.
    To think try as soon as they are "shocked"
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    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 December 2015 09: 18
      0
      Quote: gla172
      gla172 (5)

      for the word ".opa", Peter can grab a warning from the admins! yes
  6. Roust
    Roust 16 December 2015 06: 55
    +1
    Know ours, West! Afraid, then - respect.
  7. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 16 December 2015 07: 01
    +3
    in the "elite club" replenishment happened: a new member entered there "without demand
    1. andj61
      andj61 16 December 2015 14: 14
      +9
      Quote: Peacemaker
      in the "elite club" replenishment happened: a new member entered there "without demand

      Only this happened according to the results of the Second World War. And since then, Britain can no longer be compared with the military power of the USSR / Russia - the weight categories are different. And cruise missiles underwater launch - anti-ship, however, - we have long been in service. Only the complexity of the underwater launch of the Kyrgyz Republic is nothing compared to the complexity of the underwater launch of ICBMs.
      An article from the category "British scientists have discovered ..."
    2. Tartary
      Tartary 18 December 2015 13: 02
      0
      Quote: Peacemaker
      in the "elite club" replenishment happened: a new member entered there "without demand

      Well, how can we not remind like-minded people about Vysotsky's famous song - "Why did the natives eat)) Cook"?

      "... we entered without knocking, almost without sound ..."))))))))))))))))
  8. From Germany
    From Germany 16 December 2015 07: 02
    +4
    ... Putin’s war machine is as strong as American or British.


    Well, the Merikos have a large army, not surprising with such a military budget. Russia, China, everything is logical. But what have the British got to do with it? It's funny when dwarfs, such as England, SA, Germany, etc. according to the list, they puff up, hit the ground with their hands and shout that they are at least as strong as the "big uncles".
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 16 December 2015 07: 07
      +5
      Well - they have squeezed islands out of Argentina! So they recorded themselves in heroes
      1. iov
        iov 16 December 2015 13: 55
        +2
        Well..between the rest .... SAS made a good contribution to the story ... ps Who said that the enemy does not need to be respected ?!)
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 16 December 2015 08: 25
      +8
      Stop throwing hats! According to the Saudis, I certainly agree, but the British Armed Forces are very modern and equipped .. they have an enormous army on their islands and are not needed, our Navy was not technologically even next to the English, except Several new NKs, and several new class nuclear submarines, first-class NKs are still living with us, but there aren’t any new ones and they aren’t building! Germany should not be underestimated either;
    3. castle
      castle 16 December 2015 11: 08
      +7
      Of course, I don’t know if Mr. "From Germany" had to work with British guys. I happened to both in Afghanistan and at the training grounds. Know their business to "yat"! And the cadets from the Royal Academy at Sandhurst and the "men." And about the British "Specialists", generally a separate conversation. USA SEAL Learn, Learn and Learn! Although those who know their business are tight and without tablets and without a PC and without GPS.
    4. iov
      iov 16 December 2015 13: 52
      +4
      Gentlemen ... I do not impose, of course, my opinion ... however, it is unlikely that the size or size of the territory plays a role ... For me, of the entire block, it is the British and Germans who are the most dangerous opponent .. and PIN DOS, let movies and Then they shoot about brave American soldiers ....
  9. 2s5giacints
    2s5giacints 16 December 2015 07: 10
    +5
    Shta ?? did you say that Russian suns are as powerful as British? Did I understand correctly? Are they trying to lower us or are they praising us?
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 December 2015 07: 17
    +3
    a new member entered there "without demand." And who would have thought that these stubborn Russians would overtake both the French and the Chinese?

    Firstly, Russia is not obliged to ask anyone for permission to improve its military power. And about the French and the Chinese, it was said explicitly with the aim of showing that Russia was nothing in the understanding of the British. China surpassed Russia and other countries only in terms of the number of army and, of course, reservists.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 16 December 2015 09: 04
      +2
      However, looking at the impressive successes of China in the production of civilian products, it can be assumed that in the military sphere, our Far Eastern neighbor is making serious efforts. We sold S-300 to China - its analogue is already being produced by the Chinese military industry. The same applies to some other samples of Russian and French rocket and aircraft equipment.
  11. Nick888
    Nick888 16 December 2015 07: 25
    +4
    Putin’s war machine is as strong as American or British

    Okay American, but what does the shave have to do with it ... which are not close to our aircraft. Still living with dreams of the distant past.
  12. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 16 December 2015 07: 40
    +1
    British "war machine" as he got excited to stick here. Not even a candle.
    1. beer-youk
      beer-youk 16 December 2015 07: 49
      +4
      Small Britain's conviction of its greatness will take a long time to pass. How many years have they not protruded from their island? And the anthem remained - "Rule Britain over the seas!"
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 16 December 2015 09: 06
      +3
      What about the fleet?
      Their fleet is serious. As are the capabilities in the manufacture of aircraft.
    3. eplewke
      eplewke 16 December 2015 10: 14
      +4
      the whole British war machine will be destroyed by two starts of the mace ...
      1. castle
        castle 16 December 2015 11: 33
        +2
        You're right, Horatio. But the Mace, first, must be launched. Yes, and the Britons have carriers.
        1. MMX
          MMX 16 December 2015 20: 10
          -1
          Quote: hrad
          You're right, Horatio. But the Mace, first, must be launched. Yes, and the Britons have carriers.


          You are right, and one Mace is enough ...
          1. Voltsky
            Voltsky 16 December 2015 20: 26
            0
            Quote: MMX
            Quote: hrad
            You're right, Horatio. But the Mace, first, must be launched. Yes, and the Britons have carriers.


            You are right, and one Mace is enough ...

            Yes; one mace is enough to start the trippers from the vanguards, you are right.
            1. MMX
              MMX 16 December 2015 21: 07
              0
              Quote: Voletsky
              Quote: MMX
              Quote: hrad
              You're right, Horatio. But the Mace, first, must be launched. Yes, and the Britons have carriers.


              You are right, and one Mace is enough ...

              Yes; one mace is enough to start the trippers from the vanguards, you are right.


              This doesn’t help Britam in any way))) That’s straight at all)))
  13. Yuri V
    Yuri V 16 December 2015 07: 45
    0
    not Putin’s but RUSSIAN, I’ll ask you not to confuse the state with a person ...............
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 16 December 2015 09: 08
      +3
      And no.
      Putin's Russia is a state with good development prospects.
      Compare with Russia Yeltsin. Personality plays a huge role in history.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 December 2015 09: 19
        0
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        Personality plays a huge role in history.

        if there is a team ...
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 16 December 2015 11: 32
          +3
          What was Putin's team? No. He himself picked up sensible people.
          He arrived in Kazan, looked for example, how the local mayor works and he immediately went envoy to the Far East.
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 16 December 2015 09: 36
        0
        Absolutely true!
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 16 December 2015 09: 36
      +2
      And here you are wrong, for the Russians a strong and firm leader is like air, well, we can’t live without Petrov, Joseph and Vladimirov! And Russia was always Petrovskaya, Stalin, and now Putin .. and when Russia was called by its names rulers, she was respected and feared!
      1. Killj
        Killj 17 December 2015 03: 35
        0
        Quote: igorka357
        Putin's .. and when Russia was called by the names of its rulers, it was respected and feared!

        This is probably sanctions and closure of markets for goods, an embargo on the supply of electronics for the defense industry, the highest degree of "fear" and "respect"?
  14. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 16 December 2015 07: 54
    +7
    Still, the local shelupon would be CALIBRATED, but to restore order in the country!
  15. kenig1
    kenig1 16 December 2015 08: 01
    +2
    On the British submarines there are American "Tomahawks", where did this specialist David Blair with the "duopoly" carry?
  16. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 16 December 2015 08: 03
    0
    These are still flowers; Russia has not yet shown the main new weapons.
  17. Stanislas
    Stanislas 16 December 2015 08: 08
    +2
    correspondent is forced to admit: Putin’s war machine is as strong as American or British
    Yes, this Dodik is just a braggart. Or is there any real reason to compare "British military power" with ours or American?
  18. kitamo
    kitamo 16 December 2015 08: 35
    0
    the “submarine-cruise missile” design represents “the pinnacle of sea power,” Blair concludes.


    I think the peak will be when a pair of fishing seiners with * accidentally * 20 tons of containers on the upper deck pulled ISIS in one gulp * Caliber * from where the thread came from the Caspian Sea, from the Crimea or from Mediterranean, then all these Americans, along with the Britons and other heroes and take a seat ... from each container on a long-haul truck, in Kaliningrad there will be a gift ... So we are waiting for the old joke about * the plowing Soviet tractor * to come true ...
  19. Mails
    Mails 16 December 2015 08: 37
    +1
    As it was said in one American film:
    - The Russians have such weapons that what we already know is scary and the hair gets up. And about that we do not know at all ...
  20. ProtectRusOrDie
    ProtectRusOrDie 16 December 2015 08: 46
    +6
    "And this power is such that the correspondent is forced to admit: Putin's military machine is as strong as the American or british"????

    Gentlemen, I have to summarize my strongest concern about "British Power"! And to state the gap, as well as the fracture, of my template in three places!

    Py.Sy. - I bought an electron microscope and left for a long time, and most importantly, in an unknown direction - on an urgent search for "The Enduring and Unforgettable British Power." If I don't come back - you know, "British mosh" is to blame for that (or sepsis as a complication of an open template fracture in three places)))).
  21. SIMM
    SIMM 16 December 2015 08: 52
    +2
    "As strong as the British" ...))))))))))))))))))))
    I will say more, our army is as strong as the army of Liechtenstein!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 December 2015 09: 21
      0
      Quote: SIMM
      "As strong as the British" ...))))))))))))))))))))
      I will say more, our army is as strong as the army of Liechtenstein!

      betray your condolences to your Liechtenstein ....
  22. Balagan
    Balagan 16 December 2015 09: 04
    +3
    Eh, it’s a bad thing, arrogant Saxons begin to see clearly. We need to convince them that we still float on old tin cans bully
  23. Bombowoz
    Bombowoz 16 December 2015 09: 13
    0
    As their whole worthless life was a show business, it remained. Apparently the option to protect the interests of the country is not considered. They see only representations in everything.
    1. castle
      castle 16 December 2015 13: 26
      -1
      Is your history book a songbook from the Battle of New Orleans?
  24. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 16 December 2015 09: 19
    +2
    You have to understand all the same that "small britain" as it is called here is not a paper tiger.
    For example, in the next couple or three years, two extra modern aircraft carriers - Queen Elizabeth and Prines of Wales - will be commissioned. They are now being built, working in three shifts.
    Each will be based on more than four dozen F-35s, the fifth generation, plus helicopters.
    In addition, another 23 new warships will be commissioned. This is a very serious technology and a lot of money.
    Do not remind me how many aircraft carriers in our fleet. And they would now be oh, how useful they were off the coast of Arabia and Syria.
    Hatchery disease is very dangerous.
    1. SlavaP
      SlavaP 16 December 2015 22: 08
      0
      You can believe me that Britain has long since recovered from the "imperial syndrome" and has 800 years of experience in making balanced political decisions. It is not going to attack anyone, and moreover, I'm not sure that it will immediately rush to the rescue of some dear NATO allies like Turkey or the Baltics. But, keep in mind that if baked, then the British soldier will be no worse than the Russian or German. (More truth to compare with almost no one)
  25. rudolff
    rudolff 16 December 2015 09: 34
    +1
    Why did you forget about India? We put Club-S on their Varshavyanka earlier than our 636.3 accepted.
  26. samoletil18
    samoletil18 16 December 2015 09: 36
    0
    I cannot but agree with the author. British and Oleg. Lionfish are for NATO, and for the Basmachi they are "cast iron", which constitutes the bulk of the weapons. Well, Kiev knows, now.
  27. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 16 December 2015 09: 38
    +4
    These are the boats that are being built by the UK. Underestimating the enemy is the path to defeat in a future war. Remember the 1905 war with Japan
    1. core
      core 16 December 2015 10: 35
      +1
      take a closer look at the history of the Russo-Japanese War. we did not attack Japan. there was a war of an entire state (Japan) against a small expeditionary force. Russia carried out mobilization, and the whole mass rolled towards the enemy, but our weak leadership was led to the persuasion of the "allies" and signed a peace treaty with Japan.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 16 December 2015 11: 43
        +2
        I agree that there was no political will to continue the war.
        So this is not about that, but that the Japanese military machine was underestimated. Indeed, just half a century before, Japan was a medieval state without a modern army, navy, and heavy industry. ... In fact, it turned out that everything is not so. The battle of Mukden was unsuccessful, while Tsushima was simply an outright defeat. Port Arthur also passed.
        And in 1905, and in 1917, and in 1941, the discrepancy of expectations was the basis of part of the people for the events that actually happened.
        Therefore, I do not want to be disappointed again. So many times already burned.
      2. andj61
        andj61 16 December 2015 14: 25
        +1
        Quote: core
        Russia carried out mobilization, and the whole mass was rolling towards the enemy, but our weak leadership was led to the persuasion of the "allies" and signed a peace treaty with Japan.

        Moreover, taking into account not fully commissioned Trans-Siberian, this "rolled" for a long time. The mistakes of generals, admirals and diplomats of those times have already been analyzed in detail, conclusions have been drawn. And then Britain actually sided with Japan.
    2. cap
      cap 16 December 2015 11: 02
      0
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      These are the boats that are being built by the UK. Underestimating the enemy is the path to defeat in a future war. Remember the 1905 war with Japan

      I especially liked the bulb on the nose. Well, if 10 meters from it a torpedo. Aircraft will be able to take off, or go to the bottom? wassat
    3. Yorgven
      Yorgven 17 December 2015 05: 50
      +1
      The little shavers again erased the word Target before the word First ...
  28. dog1965
    dog1965 16 December 2015 09: 44
    +5
    Russia can still create bad cars (not critical), but to make bad tanks, planes or missiles / the list goes on / is deadly for her.
  29. Svist
    Svist 16 December 2015 10: 08
    +2
    You can’t please the West ... It stinked that we were fighting in Syria with an old war, now they are shouting that too modern weapons are being used ... How is it in the joke about Barrymore?
  30. surrozh
    surrozh 16 December 2015 10: 49
    +4
    I agree with the author - a demonstration. And for "howling" Ukraine, too, with the rest of the "world community". And then lately they have somehow forgotten who can destroy the "beacon of democracy" in a couple of tens of minutes, together with "allies", they have already started shooting down planes.
  31. silver_roman
    silver_roman 16 December 2015 11: 05
    +1
    Putin’s war machine is as strong as American or British.

    neighing ....
    since when is the British military machine so terrible?
    let's be frank. if we compare the purely military potential, I think India will erase it into powder!
    Of course, she is definitely in the top 10 armies, but putting yy on a par with the American, ours or Chinese is not correct!
    1. castle
      castle 16 December 2015 11: 51
      -3
      Neighing? Have a bite!
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 17 December 2015 11: 08
        0
        you better bite yourself something ... wise guy found !!!
  32. cergey51046
    cergey51046 16 December 2015 11: 21
    0
    Not topical, dummy.
  33. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 16 December 2015 11: 23
    0
    And who would have thought that these stubborn Russians would overtake the French

    Rzhach. Only a complete nerd could not think about it.
  34. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 16 December 2015 11: 38
    0
    A strange review of some kind. No references to primary sources. More like - "- And they also called you a yellow earthworm and said that you eat frogs. - So they called me a yellow fish? ... Yes! A fish, and also a worm!".
    Perhaps from the point of view of propaganda it’s all fine, but the propaganda is enough on TV, why it’s also dragging it on the Internet is not clear.
  35. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 16 December 2015 11: 40
    0
    Her. Until they get in the faces they will not feel. It's all a smokescreen, pouring oil into our ears.
    1. castle
      castle 16 December 2015 12: 19
      -2
      Who are you talking about? About Vesti on the first channel?
  36. castle
    castle 16 December 2015 12: 14
    -2
    Is Putin immortal? And who after? If you can’t think with your own head, are you hoping for everything else?
    When the BARIN arrives, will the master judge you? This is where Russia is going. My grandfather and my dad taught me Russian "We are not slaves, we are not slaves." You are probably not taught this already. Russians!
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  38. shoemaker
    shoemaker 16 December 2015 13: 10
    +1
    From all this one can understand that the europa is weak to the fore.
    1. castle
      castle 16 December 2015 13: 17
      -2
      From which, specifically?
      1. shoemaker
        shoemaker 17 December 2015 07: 55
        0
        Don Snore
        In the Soviet, that is, the Russian army there are neither rulers nor gentlemen. The British are good guys, they fought with them at the ports, they hold a good blow, but we were still alive. They have a lot of ambition, but where is the use? You’re now Czech, you, what’s the matter with the British .. Or you are like Poles, you always wave your fists behind the British. And we beat these with particular pleasure.
        And from what exactly? You are too sweet and lazy. Gringos is still working, but what does Europa do? only taxes are collected from the colonies. how long. when the Tatarva starts to beat you again, then you’ll understand: From what exactly !?
        I have the honor.
      2. shoemaker
        shoemaker 17 December 2015 08: 00
        0
        Sorry, Don Hrad.
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  40. wow
    wow 16 December 2015 14: 43
    +4
    Something I do not understand the rhetoric of our "partners": "... Putin's military machine, Putin's regime ..." and so on and so forth in the same spirit. Not Russian (Russian), but Putin's !? Something Ramses were beguiled by our "partners". Let's do it already - Obama's regime, Olandava democracy, Blair's economy, Merkel's idiocy in the end! As a result, you still have to answer "for the bazaar", because there are no miracles. Life is not a Hollywood movie.
    1. shoemaker
      shoemaker 17 December 2015 08: 09
      0
      Life is not a Hollywood movie. You are absolutely right. Now the gringos (the British are like this) are afraid of Russians or Ukrainians as before. Do you feel bad about this? Gringosov has almost 400000 inhabitants, and 180000 Russians and Ukrainians, and they are afraid of us like death. Where is bad?
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 17 December 2015 23: 57
        0
        Or follow the zeros or write the words of the number!
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  41. kos2cool4u
    kos2cool4u 16 December 2015 15: 03
    0
    Quote: LeftPers
    We must now let him go in space, "let him fly."

    I agree ... "I am free, like a bird in the sky ..."
  42. mamont5
    mamont5 16 December 2015 15: 29
    0
    "The British and Americans (or rather, NATO) had to admit that there was a replenishment in the" elite club ": a new member entered there" without demand "

    And the Russians have always tried to stick to the rules: "Don't believe! Don't be afraid! Don't ask!"
  43. k_ply
    k_ply 16 December 2015 15: 52
    +1
    For cavalrymen-papakha or -hapkozakidals, it is probably worth comparing the British fleet with the Baltic (or Northern), for example, and for completeness, the British 1st armored and 3rd mech. divisions with "courtiers" of the 4th Guards. tank (Kantemirovskaya) and 2nd Guards. motorized rifle (Taman) divisions, respectively (staffing and weapons), we no longer have other "heavy" divisions, we have brigades now. Rockets (ICBMs) will then rattle, if you can't.
    Underestimations (vanity and arrogance) were in the Russian-Japanese (by the way, the best part of the Russian fleet was mobilized) and the Soviet-Finnish and in the Second World War.
  44. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 16 December 2015 16: 04
    +1
    Putin’s war machine is as strong as the American or BRITISH. I am impressed with the power of the UK.
  45. Voltsky
    Voltsky 16 December 2015 16: 18
    0
    It seems to me that this is more an advertisement for the Russian military-industrial complex than a scarecrow for NATO. intelligence must know what Russian technology is capable of. + It seems he wants to associate an arms race, only on his own terms; they say build wunderwaffles in the hope that they will help. won’t be banned for what and why is it xs (not a cruiser, not a destroyer, but the Swedish family of an iron, a submarine and a destroyer in appearance. And with all this, its effectiveness with modern detection systems is in question, and chasing popuces on a ship for 1.5 lard , well, IMHO is not very reasonable), and an unmanned hunter for submarines and sea mines is an expensive sadness.
  46. Sasha_Sar
    Sasha_Sar 16 December 2015 16: 32
    +5
    "Who would have thought that the Reds would cross the Sivash" (film "Two Comrades Served")
  47. Calter
    Calter 16 December 2015 17: 27
    0
    No, but what did they want ?! The West is positioning itself as an adversary (not an opponent!) From 2008 onwards. And what did they think that after 7 years the RF Armed Forces will all run with slingshots and Kalash?
  48. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 16 December 2015 18: 04
    0
    "" So, let's add in conclusion, the British and Americans (or rather, NATO) had to admit that a replenishment took place in the "elite club": a new member entered there "without demand." And who would have thought that these stubborn Russians would overtake both the French and the Chinese? ""

    And what could the stubborn Russians do if they are mistaken for village idiots and are not accepted into the so-called. international crap society. Moreover, at the same time, they offer a division into 7 sovereign (allegedly) zone-states with full subordination to the State Department of the SGA and the rainbow guys from the EU! It is a pity that our government, with the stubbornness of a worthy and better use, is pushing the country into the hole prepared for it by the "partners"! tongue
  49. castle
    castle 16 December 2015 18: 06
    0
    My sir! Were you standing there? Come run. Then we'll see who will be speckled.
  50. 56_br
    56_br 16 December 2015 18: 52
    +1
    I believe that these Anglo-Sosa were surprised, because they can only deal with whom and how ladybugs fuck.