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How Russians and Chinese Will Win America

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If armed conflicts begin in Europe, Russia will be able to respond quickly and effectively to Western forces. First of all, the Russians will seize the Baltic states in a couple of days, and NATO simply will not have time to "argue", since the speed is not the same and the tactical skills of the Russians are better. Secondly, the leading force of NATO, the US Army, in Europe has only two brigades. Third, American fighters will have to fight, probably without air support: after all, the Russians have powerful air defense systems. Fourthly, Moscow is able to fight using electronic means, cyber war and hybrid warfare. Fifth, she has a nuclear weapon. And sixthly, America will have to digress for China.




As the columnist L. Thompson writes in a journal "Forbes"“Since Russia has invaded Ukraine in 2014 year and seized control of the Crimea, Pentagon strategists are trying to figure out how to cope with the further seizure of the territories by Moscow.”

Western strategists are most concerned about the assumption of the coming Russian offensive on the three Baltic countries - Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania (these are the only former areas of the Soviet Union that joined the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the author reminds, and therefore other members of the alliance are obliged to protect them).

According to internal estimates of the Pentagon, the Russian military will be able to occupy the Baltic States within 2 or 3 days. That is, long before NATO could give an agreed response.

In general, the observer believes, given the proximity of the Russian troops and the lack of natural barriers for a potential enemy, the entire eastern flank of the alliance is vulnerable to invasion.

There is another problem with NATO: after the “invasion” of the Russians into Ukraine, Western strategists do not undertake to predict how Russian leader Vladimir Putin will act.

As a result, the likelihood of a new war in Europe has become the most important agenda and one of the priority tasks requiring resolution.

The observer spoke with a number of high-ranking military officials and realized that the US Army would not be able to stop the rapid advance of Russian forces to the west. Under certain circumstances, Putin will even be able to defeat NATO forces and disrupt the fragile European political order established after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The author of the article in Forbes highlighted some of the advantages that the Russian army has.

1. Russia has enormous geographical advantages in the European war due to its proximity, penetration depth and ability to control the key bottlenecks of the front.

2. The West has for many years “neglected” preparations for the high-tech threat. For fifteen years, the Western Allies have been fighting against the “rebels” in South-West Asia, with irregular forces, and with IS fighters. And to a much lesser extent, Western soldiers are ready to fight an enemy armed tanks, artillery and assault aviation. And the amount of equipment in the West is not the same. And the number of soldiers decreased: of the US army units stationed in Europe, only two brigades remained.

3. Russia often conducts military exercises near the eastern borders of Estonia, Ukraine and other nearby states, where it can “invade”.

4. NATO support is unlikely to receive air support. Russian air defense systems in Eastern Europe are so positioned that Western strategists are not sure that their aircraft will be able to support ground forces. Only the SA-21 mobile anti-aircraft missile systems were currently deployed by the total number of more than 150 launchers. With such power, they are able to shoot down any non-hidden aircraft in the airspace of friendly US countries. For example, most of the Polish airspace is potentially within the range of Russian air defense.

5. Conventional weapons in Russia are getting better and better. The Russian army is becoming more professional machine. It got to the point that Western officials believe that the Russian army is better armed and capable of effectively waging a local war, carrying out electronic warfare, cyberwar and using the tactics of a "hybrid war."

6. Finally, Moscow is ready to use even nuclear weapons. Russians have local superiority in tactical nuclear weapons, and Moscow’s military doctrine allows them to be used.

NATO spends a lot of money on “collective defense”, however, the observer believes that the alliance does not seem to be able to “cope with the Russian attack of the West.” Besides, no one knows what Putin can do when he realizes that Washington has been distracted to another point on the globe ...

And we’ll add from this point that it’s not necessary to consider the Middle East, where IG operates. Some experts believe that China is a big threat to the United States.

R. Haddick, senior researcher at the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Research and a well-known publicist, in the journal "The National Interest" listed several options for a possible war between the United States and China.

The modernization of the People’s Liberation Army of China and the so-called access blocking strategy, known by the acronym A2 / AD, can lead to complete unpredictability of the confrontation between China and the United States in the South China Sea.

What could cause a war between these major states?

Robert Haddick cites the opinion of historian Jeffrey Blaine (USA). He is convinced that the prerequisite for a dangerous shift in the balance of power in the Asia-Pacific region, given the growth of China’s military potential, may be Beijing’s resistance to American navigation patrols at sea. Then there will be contradictions of “operational concepts”. And yet: in other areas that have not yet had large-scale military use, the Chinese are stronger than the Americans.

Here are some of these areas: the use of missile-strike systems, which the Chinese have built on the basis of the Soviet developments of the last years of the Cold War. The intelligence complexes of the PRC include satellite tracking, air-based detection systems, anti-ship and long-range ballistic missiles. In such systems, China is higher than the United States. China has a complete superiority in the number of operational-tactical missiles, since Washington has no such missiles. In the arsenal of anti-ship warheads, the Chinese also have superiority.

True, it is difficult to judge the effectiveness of Beijing’s actions in the battle against the enemy’s mobile and defended targets, the expert believes. After all, the United States can use aircraft carriers in wars. In 1996, Bill Clinton’s decision to send two aircraft carrier groups to the Taiwan Strait forced Beijing to back down. However, it was precisely this retreat that led the PRC to the idea of ​​developing the A2 / AD strategy mentioned above. And the inability of US carrier strike groups to respond adequately to a future threat will lead the United States to a catastrophe.

In addition, since the end of the last century, US military experts have been worried about the threat of a Chinese missile attack on ground targets and naval bases of the United States and its allies in the western Pacific. China has the opportunity to disable American bases in Japan, South Korea and others. It must be remembered that there is a certain difficulty in supporting a large number of sorties from geographically dispersed small bases.

Finally, protection from satellite systems for collecting intelligence from a potential enemy. Both sides know how to use technology for intelligence and information gathering. And no one knows whether it is possible to use “cyber weapons” in order to penetrate the enemy’s command system, and then to attack the detection and guidance systems.

The geographical position also speaks in favor of the PRC. The Chinese will fight on their territory. China has much more bases compared to the locations of the US expeditionary force.

On the other hand, the regional allies of the United States may be useful in gathering information in the uncertain conditions of a new type of war.

However, the expert does not believe that the war will start right tomorrow. Today, he writes, Chinese and American military strategists and politicians are likely to agree on the balance of power in the western Pacific. But what will happen later? With current disagreements, the danger of conflict increases significantly.

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It seems that the number of alleged "military opponents" of the United States is growing rapidly. And it's not about the "IG" and other terrorist groups, but about China and Russia.

According to foreign analysts, in the event of an invasion of the Baltic countries, the Russian army will be able to achieve quick success. Some two or three days, and the former Soviet republics will go to Putin. NATO machine during this time will not even gather their strength. The Kremlin can wait for the right moment when the US is distracted by another military event, and attack Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

The right moment may be the US sea conflict with China. Speaking about the likely confrontation, analysts point to the growing power of the Middle Kingdom. If US aircraft carrier groups cannot cope with the PLA, which will use all the benefits of its geographic location, America will face a "catastrophe."

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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 15 December 2015 06: 59 New
    22
    How Russians and Chinese Will Win America
    - I would like to know not how, but when. yes
    According to foreign analysts, in the event of an invasion of the Baltic countries, the Russian army will be able to achieve quick success. Some two or three days, and the former Soviet republics will go to Putin. The NATO machine during this time will not even gather its strength. The Kremlin may wait for the right moment when the US is distracted by another military event, and attack Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia
    Oleg, my friend, can you imagine how many sprat-eaters hates you now? wassat
    1. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 15 December 2015 09: 20 New
      37
      And who said that we would crave to plunge into this Mr.? Why the hell are these tricks for us? Let them die by themselves - long and painfully - we did not sign up to help them in this.
      If only the sprat-eaters on their knees would beg for protection from Nata.
      laughing
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 15 December 2015 09: 26 New
        38
        The next American "self-scarecrows" for stifling congressional budgetary funds for defense. Baltic States in 3 days? Easy! But why? soldier
      2. Kostyar
        Kostyar 15 December 2015 09: 33 New
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        Endangered Balts, who needs you? Your NATO, you and without our help are famously dying, even faster than the American military analytics predicted !!!
        Rest in peace, people of slaves ......
      3. hrych
        hrych 15 December 2015 09: 52 New
        +4
        This is necessary for us in order to break through the blockade of V. Prussia, because Lithuania, due to unreasonableness and shaving perception, has blocked the railway communication. A similar scenario was in the Crimea with electricity, rail and road transport. Kaliningrad is the land with which Russia directly threatens London with our latest systems, and Germany, BeniLux and Polish meat are simply pistols at the temple. Thanks to the Crimea and Königsberg, their whole concept of dropping the Rus to the East is void especially considering the missile systems ... So the blockade of these enclaves is organized, but it is impossible to strangle without a sea blockade, and this again is unrealistic and the calibers of diesel engines and small missiles can now be in London and it’s not necessary to gasp from the berth, as Marineske breaks through nets and mines, and the enclaves themselves will be smuggled into the rear with aviation and navy blockers. Whether the Britons do not know this, they are angry and are invading their Pekingese.
      4. nnz226
        nnz226 15 December 2015 17: 37 New
        +1
        If the sprats plead for protection - to protect, and send them to rest on the southern shore of the Laptev Sea, there are many places there, at the same time they will learn the Russian language by putting their nationals in the anal.
      5. Nikolaitch
        Nikolaitch 16 December 2015 00: 57 New
        0
        I understand that I want to have a large audience. This can be achieved if released in the format of a policy for children. Rating will be to heaven.
        But since the tasks of the site are somewhat different, I suspect you can limit yourself simply to the widest possible audience.
        I have an offer for the site organizers.
        To expand the topic a bit by adding 2-3 groups (for example: It's interesting, Voynushka and One grandmother said) and drop all the articles of a general nature for blah blah there. To communicate with loyal attendees.
        In the remaining groups, enter the qualification.
        Firstly, on the quality of the material, carefully sifting out the oil, the well-known (filling all this valuable analytical material into newly created groups) from deep or highly specialized.
        Secondly, moderators work in mode 2, cutting off empty comments or in no way related to the topic. Here, of course, without fanaticism, a sense of humor must be present

        That's how I think so. Type every peasant woman! wink hi
    2. guzik007
      guzik007 15 December 2015 09: 48 New
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      Oleg, my friend, can you imagine how many sprat-eaters hates you now?
      -------------------------------------------------- -----------------------
      and it seems to me that most of them, besides reckless youth, quietly nostalgia for the days when radio car factories worked, and when their salaries allowed them to live comfortably, and paradoxically, they quietly hate those who lost it all.: =)
    3. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 15 December 2015 11: 03 New
      +9
      The question is different - but what for do you need the Baltic states? What interest is it, besides the Russian population, and even to use the military contingent to "capture" these territories? bully

      For me, this is more of a bike for domestic consumption, business and politics: the Hollywood image of the “terrible Russian bear” is very beneficial for the Americans to change to specific military orders, economic and political preferences. Naturally, everything happens with the support of the purchased local elites.
    4. Nitarius
      Nitarius 15 December 2015 13: 41 New
      0
      )) The people understand .. and the leadership that right now that then did not understand!
      And yes, you forget .. that in the USA there is a large Diaspora from CHINA ... so the question is who and WHERE ... China does not need to be conquered .. he is already in the USA))
  2. Darkness
    Darkness 15 December 2015 07: 05 New
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    But does Russia really need these impoverished and hostile countries?
    1. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 15 December 2015 13: 36 New
      0
      Not necessary. And in order to put NATO in its place, I think Russia doesn’t need the Baltic states ..... the miserable mini-armies of the European Union will never trample on us, and the United States will not be able to wage a continental war against the Russian Federation due to its geographical location (excluding nuclear weapons) so in spite of all the situation, in spite of all the fuss of Europe, they perfectly understand the consequences of the armed conflict with Russia.
  3. pexotinec
    pexotinec 15 December 2015 07: 05 New
    +9
    We don’t need someone else’s, but we won’t give our own. Well, we can return it.
  4. sesame
    sesame 15 December 2015 07: 06 New
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    Where did the Americans get this paranoia that we definitely want to win someone? Maybe because they never knew the horrors of war?
    1. Renat
      Renat 15 December 2015 08: 22 New
      16
      This paranoia serves only one purpose. This is maintaining a green candy wrapper.
    2. proletarian
      proletarian 15 December 2015 10: 06 New
      +4
      Everything is simple, a “pincher with pockets”, they measure on their own because that is exactly what they would have done.
    3. _my opinion
      _my opinion 15 December 2015 13: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: sezam
      Where did the Americans get this paranoia that we definitely want to win someone? Maybe because they never knew the horrors of war?

      where from? it is known from psychology that a person is afraid (of others) of what he would do himself.
    4. Captain45
      Captain45 15 December 2015 17: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: sezam
      Where did the Americans get this paranoia that we definitely want to win someone? Maybe because they never knew the horrors of war?

      To us, the Russians have a saying-They don’t judge people by themselves, but the State Department and the SGA government don’t have one and they project their evil animal way of life on all peoples. They think that they themselves are ready to grab everything, so others think . "Well stupid !!!" (c) M.Zadornov
  5. pv1005
    pv1005 15 December 2015 07: 06 New
    +7
    Paranoids are more and more, and they are called experts. And they say that in the west, medicine is the best.
    1. asar
      asar 15 December 2015 07: 15 New
      +7
      Paranoids more and more

      We are waiting for the next "jumpers" from the windows!
  6. DREDD
    DREDD 15 December 2015 07: 06 New
    +6
    The greatest concern among Western strategists is the assumption of the impending Russian attack on the three Baltic countries - Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania (these are the only former areas of the Soviet Union that joined the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the author recalls, and therefore other members of the alliance are obliged to protect them)
    For some reason, Western strategists do not explain why "hordes of Russian barbarians" will rush through the Baltic states, everything is just like in the 30s. Whoever more publicly "worries" about the outbreak of war, and even calls the direction of the main blow in Europe, is, in fact, planning it.
  7. gop
    gop 15 December 2015 07: 09 New
    +6
    It’s clear to politicians that they’re not friends with the head (talking heads), but the military expert must be friends, it’s not so good that all countries have already built fences around Russia, from the netting net))))
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 December 2015 07: 10 New
    +7
    Well, I would agree if someone explained-why Russia needs the country of Spratia?
    1. Boos
      Boos 15 December 2015 12: 02 New
      0
      The "Dancing corridor" begs, don't you find?
  9. inkass_98
    inkass_98 15 December 2015 07: 23 New
    +9
    We can consider the Baltic states only as a transit corridor to the Kaliningrad region, there is nothing more to do there, even if they don’t. And the rest of the text is from the series “How to scare yourself worse”. The Cold War has gained new momentum, now it needs to be nourished somehow, otherwise they won’t give money.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 December 2015 07: 33 New
    +2
    the assumption of the upcoming Russian offensive on the three Baltic countries - Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania

    Their assumptions are already on the verge of complete schizophrenia. No, the "democrats" themselves took up this Russophobic kind of Europe as their content; But the question of the situation of the Russian-speaking population in the Baltic states should not be forgotten.
  11. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 15 December 2015 07: 39 New
    +1
    And we will make a “knight's move”! We will advance through the Arctic and South America)
  12. sa-ag
    sa-ag 15 December 2015 07: 41 New
    +7
    Yeah, China will win its 600 billionth turnover with America, very interesting :-)
  13. parusnik
    parusnik 15 December 2015 07: 48 New
    +2
    Nothing new .. similar forecasts issued by Western analysts during the existence of the USSR ...
  14. fvandaku
    fvandaku 15 December 2015 07: 52 New
    +2
    A catastrophe awaits them, only an economic one. Everyone waits for them; they cannot wait. smile
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 15 December 2015 15: 06 New
      0
      How many years have we prophesied
  15. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 15 December 2015 08: 03 New
    +2
    And who to attack in the Baltic states? There is no normal army there. Yes, and why do we need extra hemorrhoids?
  16. Xenos
    Xenos 15 December 2015 08: 16 New
    +1
    It’s a pity to spend even tactical ammunition on these Baltic rogues. Let everything go on the thumb: a herd of Arab refugees and all ...
  17. Shark Lover
    Shark Lover 15 December 2015 08: 32 New
    +1
    All these things are obvious, lying on the surface, since they are in the media. Rather, the alleged. I would like to look back three years ago, then, suddenly, I drew attention to the increasing patriotic rhetoric. Films about the Second World War (usually before May 9th), about the modern army, and about the conflicts in which we took part began to be broadcast on TV. My wife even asked me then, what are they preparing us for? Further, the permanent exercises of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, at sea, in the air, on the ground, the development of air defense, an increase in monetary allowance in the Armed Forces, to pensioners of the Armed Forces (mobile resource). Air defense, airborne forces, navy, tactical missiles have already begun to show their results. But after all, there was still a tank biathlon, it seems to be out of work)). Such a course of the current development of events was clearly assumed, even more so, they were intensively preparing for it, preparing secretly and explicitly. They were prepared on the basis of information that was not available to us (about three years ago). Once prepared, then prepared and countermeasures. We see the obvious measures that are being taken now, which means that we are ready for the further development of events, ready measures that are not visible and inaccessible to us. And where and how they will show themselves, they know a limited circle of people, well, far from those publications that make all kinds of analytical forecasts.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 15 December 2015 10: 07 New
      +6
      You are very superficially judging what is happening in Russia, well, just like a Western analyst! And the casket just opens, if you look at the last well, at least 200 years ago, that Russia attacked Europe? Yes, there wasn’t such a thing at all, united Europe in the form of crusaders, then with the Poles, then under the leadership of Napoleon and Hitler, with all their might tried to destroy our country! The motto that "... you want peace, prepare for war" was not invented by us but we have to follow it and our happiness that today such a strategist as Vladimir Putin is at the head of the supreme power of Russia! That’s why the West is angry that in the event of aggression against us, it will receive such a retaliatory strike, after which the end of Western civilization in the person of Europe will come (which the USA is very trying to achieve - “Bolivar cannot stand two!” - this is their basic principle of relations with “partners” in business and politics)
  18. Xoyuschka
    Xoyuschka 15 December 2015 08: 32 New
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    In the words of Mikhail Zadornov (which satirist):

    From a conversation with a Latvian or an Estonian:
    "Russia will ever attack us!"
    "Do not be conceited, Russia does not even know about your existence ..."
  19. igorra
    igorra 15 December 2015 08: 32 New
    +4
    Someone will explain to me what is valuable in these three unfinished ones, that when we break our heads, we must capture them. Why do not they themselves live and do not give us?
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 15 December 2015 08: 59 New
      +3
      The only thing is the territory. Clean, without population. What would a military base be located.
    2. cap
      cap 15 December 2015 09: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: igorra
      Someone will explain to me what is valuable in these three unfinished ones, that when we break our heads, we must capture them. Why do not they themselves live and do not give us?

      Americans scare them so they themselves do not turn as unnecessary wassat .
    3. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 15 December 2015 09: 27 New
      +3
      Swamps with mermaids.

      They themselves can no longer - scientific, industrial, agricultural, intellectual degradation is too strong. Frankly, "Bobby is dead." It is not for nothing that spratcountries are compared with the NATO toilet - a territory for excrement. We don’t even need such money.
      Although the strategic position of individual sections of sprat territories is very promising wink .
    4. Grabberxnumx
      Grabberxnumx 15 December 2015 16: 38 New
      0
      Nothing valuable in them, from the word ABSOLUTELY. Cries with foam at the mouth Baltic “tigers” emit to attract attention, substitute rectals under the golden shower of Western funding for the defense industry.
      Dates are calmer in this regard, although IMHO if you implement the capture scenario, then it is more advantageous as in the Norwegian series: cut northern oil and gas resources to Europe ..
    5. Kostyar
      Kostyar 15 December 2015 18: 00 New
      0
      Someone will explain to me what is valuable in these three unfinished ones, that when we break our heads, we must capture them. Why do not they themselves live and do not give us?

      They need a thread that someone “seized” and ...... contained !!! That's the whole rebus !!!
  20. S. TALIN
    S. TALIN 15 December 2015 08: 42 New
    +6
    I propose another option of Putin to Western strategists-your Europe and the Baltic States, we tries .. do not need!
    If all the loot that goes to the "war" would go to a normal, quiet life - there would be 25 years already in the yard ...
  21. X
    X Y Z 15 December 2015 09: 02 New
    +3
    For many years, the West has “neglected” preparations for a high-tech threat. For fifteen years, the Western Allies have been fighting against the "rebels" in South-West Asia, with irregular forces, with the militants of the "IG". And to a much lesser extent, Western soldiers are ready to fight the enemy, armed with tanks, artillery and attack aircraft.


    He wrote about this many times and completely agree with the author. Even the war in Ukraine to a much greater extent shows the struggle of equal opponents using modern weapons than all recent US wars. All of their new and widely advertised tactics and methods of struggle have never been tested in a real war. Contempt for the experience of others, repeatedly demonstrated by them, sooner or later will come sideways.
    1. cap
      cap 15 December 2015 09: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: XYZ
      All of their new and widely advertised tactics and methods of struggle have never been tested in a real war. Contempt for the experience of others, repeatedly demonstrated by them, sooner or later will come sideways.

      The whole snag is that their sides are washed by two oceans. Now, to get to the United States, in addition to fingerprints, they will check the contents of the PM on the sites (recently entered)!
      So, having visited VO a priori, you are on the list of unapproved people in the States. I am 100% sure that they study us carefully. This reading definitely does not add courage to them.
      All the fuss in Europe, riding in tanks across the borders of the "local states", is similar to the action of a cat who shits in your slippers in spite of you for a tasteless Wiskas.
      The idiots dream of a ground operation in defense of someone from Russia. The US submarine fleet, its deployment and modernization, speak eloquently.
      "Caring" for the Europeans is like a friendship between a tiger and a goat, which remains alive until the arrival of the tigress. hi
      1. pts-m
        pts-m 15 December 2015 12: 27 New
        0
        I’m a shameless one. And if I go to the geyropu and FSA, then only behind the levers of the combat vehicle. All the same, it’s not entrance according to their concepts. Since I visit the VO site.
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 15 December 2015 17: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: cap
        Now, to get to the States, in addition to fingerprints, they will check the contents of the PM on the sites (recently entered)!
        So, having visited VO a priori, you are on the list of banned to the States. I am sure for all 100% they are studying us carefully.

        Well, that gave out a terrible military secret laughing Now the liberals will hastily run away with VO, destroying all data, IP addresses, passwords and appearances. wassat After all, they will not let America enter the coveted country, where, as Osia Bender said, “they walk and drink without a snack”
    2. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 15 December 2015 09: 31 New
      +4
      Nata can fight with us ONLY with the wrong hands. In another way.
      If such "hands" are not found, then there will be no war.
      Anglo-Saxons themselves will not climb for any benefits, because know that the dead will not need these benefits.
  22. Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky 15 December 2015 09: 32 New
    +1
    wrote a dumbhead nerd. sprotlandia did not rest against any causal place. then to feed these, so to speak, people
  23. ivanych
    ivanych 15 December 2015 09: 34 New
    +1
    .... yes, let them analyze, compare, calculate. The brains are already turned out, so let them continue in the same spirit, we will get full D. ebils.
  24. WHEEL
    WHEEL 15 December 2015 09: 35 New
    +1
    next wet dreams, only down can not understand that the Chinese are very much in the hands of Western politics to the collapse of Russia.
  25. Belousov
    Belousov 15 December 2015 09: 40 New
    +4
    There are two questions under the article:
    1) Well, what for do we need the Balts? Let the staff members explain this to us. And then we are going to capture them, but why no one understands. Here's another feed then this horde of Russophobia. This we have already passed, there is no more desire.
    2) Why on earth will China fight with the states? And thereby bring down the multi-billion dollar turnover? There, the economy is also not so hot right now (although it’s not such a bum as ours), but if you also run out of guns so-so-so ... China used to be not seen in such suicidal tendencies, not the French, after all.
  26. antikilller55
    antikilller55 15 December 2015 09: 45 New
    0
    They lull vigilance with flattering little articles and intimidate already frightened Balts with a terrible, big, furious, Russian bear.
  27. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 15 December 2015 09: 53 New
    0
    An article from the realm of fiction. Why does Russia need the Baltic states with their extended balts to boot? And with what to fight America with China, with their mutual dependence on each other, one can also assume America’s war with Europe or Japan.
  28. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 December 2015 09: 56 New
    +2
    In the event of the outbreak of war, we know for sure whose brazen black face to beat,
    so that everything ends immediately. So don't be fooled by
    that we will bother with their sixes for a long time.
  29. Maksim
    Maksim 15 December 2015 10: 01 New
    +5
    How will Russians and Chinese defeat America?
    I recall that six months ago, the analysts sang that Russia and Turkey are friendly, Erdogan, although NATO, but the most independent politician, that the Turkish stream will lay the pipe to all the pipes, have you forgotten? and then SU-24 ......
    The Chinese will not be with us, I hope we are with them. Only the Army and Navy.
  30. stas132
    stas132 15 December 2015 10: 06 New
    0
    Western analysts continue to smoke nonsense ..
  31. Svarog5570
    Svarog5570 15 December 2015 10: 27 New
    0
    Western analysts understand that America and the West are moving into the sunset
  32. Ronino
    Ronino 15 December 2015 11: 44 New
    +1
    I won’t eat so much sprat!
  33. Nikolaitch
    Nikolaitch 15 December 2015 11: 50 New
    +1
    Amused, of course. But how much time can be wasted on such empty articles?
    I used to go to VO for information, now quality entertainment is in short supply ...

    No offense to the author. I respect his work.

    I really want quality
  34. kitamo
    kitamo 15 December 2015 12: 03 New
    +1
    Geographical location also speaks in favor of China. The Chinese will fight on their territory.


    Those. they don’t even deny that AGGRESSIVE China will fight against PEACEFUL America on HIS territory ... and after all people hawala ... = ((
  35. Rich-ksy
    Rich-ksy 15 December 2015 12: 37 New
    0
    And why should they (the Baltic states) be captured? It is easier to block the territory and demolish the main enterprises.
  36. stasevi4
    stasevi4 15 December 2015 12: 48 New
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    We, however, have forgotten that there are plenty of T-80 gas turbine tanks that can be refueled by anything on enemy territory (the Baltic states, Poland) .Also with the advice, a lightning tank breakthrough into NATO was developed. For control over key points (airports Denmark, Swedes, so that they ..., slow-speaking comrades). Let them tremble ... we are somewhere nearby.
  37. Yura
    Yura 15 December 2015 13: 13 New
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    Hello everybody. hi
    Who knows, tell me: Why in the photo to the article are ours without weapons? yes
  38. Old warrior
    Old warrior 15 December 2015 13: 40 New
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    It seems that they are trying to provoke us into a conflict with NATO. Be careful. It is necessary, as in that joke about the old and young bull, to slowly go down the hill and re-fuck the whole herd ... winked
  39. Megatron
    Megatron 15 December 2015 13: 43 New
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    According to internal Pentagon estimates, the Russian military will be able to occupy the Baltic States within 2 or 3 days.


    Perhaps they wanted to say within 2-3 hours, they are limited simply by the speed of movement of tank columns? hi
  40. bravo-fab
    bravo-fab 15 December 2015 13: 47 New
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    1) 2 aircraft carriers were sent to a strait that is very narrow, blocking this strait leaves Chinese exports to the west (geographical concept) PS: China is now looking for ways to deliver goods to the EU via Central Asia, by land through Pakistan and the Indian Ocean and the Russian North . Not surprisingly, the PRC did not begin to catch up, because the diversification of trade flows and the capabilities of their inexperienced army are too small.
    About China and America
    * The Chinese are looking westward in the mouth and like monkeys imitate everything.
    * The Chinese are economically more dependent on the United States than the United States on China. In case of trouble, the United States will be able to partially produce most of the goods at home, and transfer production to the cheaper and more controlled countries of Southeast Asia, which are silently afraid of China and open their doors to the United States.
    2) why the Baltic countries need the economy of the Russian Federation 6 271 000 content? A sparsely populated territory on which humane combat operations are carried away from large cities of the Russian Federation, why? If in the event of a global war, the Baltic states will fall over the clock?
    3) Why does the Russian Federation need a war in Europe? Russia historically has not waged wars without a sharp threat to its borders and Lebenland.
    4) China will be able to develop its fleet only by 30-50 years to the level of US power.

    If we take into account the wild dependence of China on the United States, despite the fact that the Chinese themselves are not against it, because the US sales market is the most important for them, will there be a conflict between the USA and China in the near future? The answer is unlikely. We are waiting for the PRC to export more to the countries of Africa, Southeast Asia and the EU, and then we can expect impudence in relation to the USA.
  41. Ajjh
    Ajjh 15 December 2015 14: 06 New
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    Three years ago, he knew one Chinese woman, she came to Minsk Russian. language to learn. He says they were offered in Bratsk (a city on the border, I could be mistaken with the name). She refused because there is no one to communicate in Russian with.
    You continue to consider the Chinese as friends, and the Europeans and Americans as enemies.
    Faithful go comrades (s)
  42. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 15 December 2015 15: 12 New
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    easily win. slap on the priest with a clapper, they will die of indignation.
  43. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 15 December 2015 15: 13 New
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    Quote: Ajjh
    Three years ago, he knew one Chinese woman, she came to Minsk Russian. language to learn. He says they were offered in Bratsk (a city on the border, I could be mistaken with the name). She refused because there is no one to communicate in Russian with.
    You continue to consider the Chinese as friends, and the Europeans and Americans as enemies.
    Faithful go comrades (s)

    learn geography, chick steroos.
  44. Ajjh
    Ajjh 15 December 2015 15: 32 New
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    Blagoveshchensk! but the essence does not change) not my country. I could be wrong)
    easily win. on the pope with a clapper board,

    Have you already plastered a lot?
  45. AK64
    AK64 15 December 2015 16: 51 New
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    If this comes around, and "the Russians and Chinese defeat America," then Russia ... trouble.

    But the author does not understand this very obvious fact.

    America is across the oceans, and China is in the next room: what will the author do when China wants to expand its living space?
  46. Captain45
    Captain45 15 December 2015 17: 39 New
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    But in general, in essence, the article, given the graters with the Turks, the West quietly tries to push Russia to a rash step. They say we are so weak, powerless, we will not survive for more than three days. Well, attack us, give us a reason for a full-scale conflict with NATO, well, become aggressors already. And figs to you. We won’t fight with you. We’re habitual people, we’ll survive your sanctions, but the geyropa will be bent. And we will wait when they come and ask. As Woland said there: “Never ask anything , especially for those who are stronger. They themselves will come and offer "(c)" the Master and Margarita "" Do not believe, do not be afraid and ask, "before the population knew this proverb 2 / 3, but now they are used to getting ready.
  47. ochakow703
    ochakow703 15 December 2015 17: 57 New
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    What the hell are the Baltic states for us? Well, after all, there’s no use for her, neither tactical nor strategic. And let them calm down. We have nothing to do? Our roads are not asphalted, rogue bandits support the power transmission lines — Crimea is left without energy, the dog is limped by a neighbor — he must be treated, but he bites ... Well, what the hell is the hell with Russia? !!!
  48. python2a
    python2a 15 December 2015 19: 28 New
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    And why do we need Europe? To smoke the Ishilovites, whom the Europeans so warmly sheltered, and continue to accumulate a "critical mass"?
  49. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 15 December 2015 20: 12 New
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    YES TOGETHER WE ARE UNBEATABLE!
  50. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 15 December 2015 21: 34 New
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    So, by and large, part of the sprat land is purely Russian, recaptured by Peter from the Swedes, but we are not greedy - even if they live, they have little time left, they will die soon. Only with the condition - sit quietly and not be slow! And it will be worse!
    And nobody allowed our lands to be fucked by niggas. This sprats started in vain. Then niggers will scream that they have always been here.