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On December 18, the laying of the nuclear submarine carrier Emperor Alexander III is scheduled for the Russian Navy

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The representative of the press service of the main defense department of Russia on the Naval the fleet Igor Dygalo told the media that on December 18, a solemn laying ceremony of the nuclear submarine rocket carrier Emperor Alexander III of the Borey-A project is scheduled. The event will be held in Severodvinsk. Submarine cruisers of the Borey-A project are capable of carrying 16 Bulava-30 ICBMs on board.


On December 18, the laying of the nuclear submarine carrier Emperor Alexander III is scheduled for the Russian Navy


Press office fleet:
The ceremony will be attended by representatives of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the main command of the Navy, the command of the Northern Fleet and the White Sea naval base, representatives of the administration of the Arkhangelsk region and Severodvinsk. The three nuclear submarines of this project, Prince Vladimir, Prince Oleg, Generalissimus Suvorov, are already at various stages of construction on the stocks of OAO Sevmash.


It should be noted that the head submarine of the project "Borey-A" "Prince Vladimir" was laid 30 July 2012 of the year. At the moment, there is a slipway period. The second submarine of the project (the first serial) - "Prince Oleg." Her bookmark date is 27 July 2014 of the year. The third submarine missile cruiser "Generalissimo Suvorov" began to be built on the Sevmash 26 December last year.

The project “Borey-A” became the development of the project “Borey”. The development of nuclear-powered submarine missile cruisers is conducted in St. Petersburg at OAO TsBB MT Rubin.
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  1. Atrix
    Atrix 14 December 2015 12: 12 New
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    The news is of course super. But damn if it had been built for a year and a half, it would have been even better.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 14 December 2015 12: 17 New
      22
      Quote: Atrix
      The news is of course super. But damn if it had been built for a year and a half, it would have been even better.

      If they manage in three years, it will still be very good.
      1. Kars
        Kars 14 December 2015 12: 49 New
        +6
        Is it interesting that there are no other names? And when Alexander 3 was mentioned, the battleship that immediately died in Tsushima pops up in memory. Already Makarov would have been named after the admiral (even though he also died there)
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 14 December 2015 12: 55 New
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          There is another analogy, it seems to me: Alexander III Peacemaker.
          And also: "the ambassador can wait while the Russian tsar is catching fish."
          1. Gronsky
            Gronsky 14 December 2015 16: 44 New
            +3
            Maybe I’m wrong, but somehow the rumor is overly pathos in the names of the new SSBNs.
            Emperor, prince, etc. Although, "Generalissimo Suvorov" sounds good, sharp, like a shot, which is organic with regard to weapons. I think the titles in the title are not always appropriate. Much more appropriate just the name and surname. Remember the cruiser "Mikhail Kutuzov" - short and beautiful. And most importantly, no one needs to explain who it is and in what rank.
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 14 December 2015 13: 22 New
          +5
          Quote: Kars
          Already the name of the admiral, even if they called Makarov (even though he also died there)
          The 3rd frigate of project 11356 was named after Admiral Makarov, he was launched in the fall in Kaliningrad hi
        3. McLuha-MacLeod
          McLuha-MacLeod 14 December 2015 13: 43 New
          0
          Man, you don’t know the story at all
        4. H - ck 61
          H - ck 61 14 December 2015 13: 44 New
          +3
          Makarov died in Potr Arthur
          1. Kars
            Kars 14 December 2015 13: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: McLooka-MacLeod
            Man, you don’t know the story at all

            as you wish
            Quote: N - ck 61
            Makarov died in Potr Arthur

            Well, at least in the Russian-Japanese war and in the Far East?
        5. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 14: 29 New
          -7
          Quote: Kars
          It is interesting that there are no other names?

          Kars, you think up names in your own Ukraine, or you called the plane Bandera. You don’t like the history of Russia, it's your difficulties.
          1. Kars
            Kars 14 December 2015 14: 59 New
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Kars, you think up names in your own Ukraine, or you called the plane Bandera. You don’t like the history of Russia, it's your difficulties.

            Is it an attempt to insult or incite hatred between the nat? And for reference, I do not like or like the history of Russia. I am particularly interested in the armored fleet 1880-1945
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 16: 20 New
              -1
              Quote: Kars
              is it an attempt to insult or incite hatred between nat?

              Is a Bandera airplane an insult or incitement to hatred? -This is the modern validity of your state.
              Quote: Kars
              And for reference, I do not like or like the history of Russia

              Then what are the claims to the name?
              1. Kars
                Kars 14 December 2015 16: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Is a Bandera airplane an insult or incitement to hatred?

                An appeal to me in such a tone by the moderator. Provoke me to solder another five warnings?
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Then what are the claims to the name?

                For a submarine, take the name of the sunken ship. Bad symbolism. It’s better to really use saints.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 15 December 2015 06: 02 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  . Provoke me to solder another five warnings?

                  Wow, and even YOU and this is Kars, don’t make a girl of yourself.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 15 December 2015 09: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    ay, and even YOU, and this is Kars, don’t make a girl of yourself.

                    Should I ask you not to make yourself a moderator? And I don’t remember that I would contact you. Although everything is possible. I remember the time someone waved pictures of money and talked about the number of cards. And Armats to me on the shelf not)))
        6. iouris
          iouris 14 December 2015 15: 23 New
          +1
          We will all be there. Some earlier, others later.
        7. 78bor1973
          78bor1973 14 December 2015 15: 24 New
          +2
          They try not to name the ships who died due to accidents (not in battle) and this battleship died heroically like the Varyag in Chemulpo, so everything is normal!
        8. volodimer
          volodimer 14 December 2015 20: 24 New
          +2
          And I think it's not a sin to name a hero ship. According to the reviews of the same Englishmen (who were present in the Japanese squadron), the battle was lost by 45 minutes, but these EBRs (Prince Suvorov, Alexander III, Borodino) fought bravely for several more hours and died without surrendering. Their feat is no less heroic than the feat of the "Varyag". With EBR, Prince Suvorov was saved only by the headquarters (at the very beginning), everyone died on "Alexander III", and one was saved from "Borodino". By the way, S.O. Makarov did not die in Tsushima. I would call the entire series of ships, like those EBRs, they deserve everything. And of course, one should not forget about "Admiral Makarov".
      2. Tor5
        Tor5 14 December 2015 12: 50 New
        0
        I want to believe that they build quality.
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      5. Laksamana besar
        Laksamana besar 14 December 2015 15: 20 New
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        About 4,5-5 years according to plan from the bookmark to the flag raising, but it is significantly lower than the first Boreas were built.
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    2. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 14 December 2015 12: 18 New
      +6
      A year and a half? About0

      Sorry, but what are you doing?
      1. Cormorants
        Cormorants 14 December 2015 12: 20 New
        0
        Yeah, this is just great news))
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    3. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 14 December 2015 12: 21 New
      0
      For reference, such a large and complex ship as an atomic submarine strategic missile carrier is being built in Europe and the United States 10 years, only very little less will be built with us - Prince Vladimir will be taken out approximately in 2017, they began to build in 2009, + at least six months completion will be afloat, that is, 8,5-9 will be for sure.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 14 December 2015 12: 28 New
        +7
        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        For reference, such a large and complex ship, as an atomic submarine strategic missile carrier, is being built in Europe and the United States for about 10 years

        How many?! US class submarines "Ohio" similar to "Borey" were built, on average, three of the year. Yes, and our "Sharks" - the largest SSBNs, were built in almost the same period. Don't talk nonsense, dear.
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 14 December 2015 12: 24 New
      +9
      Quote: Atrix
      The news is of course super. But damn if it had been built for a year and a half, it would have been even better.

      I agree with you that the news is very cool, but with the timing of the construction, you obviously got excited.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 14 December 2015 13: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: vovanpain
        I agree with you that the news is very cool, but with the timing of the construction, you obviously got excited.

        Here are the construction dates for the RPKSN 667BDRM project;
        boat number. bookmark. launching. entry into operation.
        K-51 23.02.1981/01.84/29.12.84 XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
        K-84 11.83 12.84. 02.85.
        K-64 11.84/12.85/02.86 XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
        K-114 12.85 09.86 01.87.
        K-117 09.86. 09.87. 03.88.
        K-18 09.87. 11.88. 09.89.
        K-407 11.88. 10.89. 20.02.1992/XNUMX/XNUMX
        Reference book "Submarines of Russia." V. Ilyin. A. Kolesnikov. 2006. The Sevmash plant knew how to build quickly. And calculate the terms of construction yourself.
        1. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 14 December 2015 14: 43 New
          +1
          In the USSR, 1970 SSBNs were put into operation in the year (1982-6), in Severodvinsk and Komsomolsk on the Amur. Moreover, Krasnoye Sormovo worked on nuclear submarines.
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    5. Saburo
      Saburo 14 December 2015 12: 37 New
      -1
      Even Americans spend an average of three years on their Virginia. And then they reached such a pace after the fourteenth boat in the series. For example, the parent Virginia was built for almost ten years.
      On the Ohio, they spent an average of three to four years.
    6. trantor
      trantor 14 December 2015 16: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Atrix
      if it were still built in a year or a half

      Well, you and mahanuli;)
      In terms of costs - it’s a small but full-fledged city to build - spend so much money during this time and on the area of ​​one shipyard?
    7. Yorgven
      Yorgven 15 December 2015 01: 35 New
      0
      I read the "bookmark of a nuclear aircraft carrier" already choked ...
  2. wow
    wow 14 December 2015 12: 13 New
    +6
    Good luck ! Otherwise, it doesn’t work out in any way !!!
  3. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 14 December 2015 12: 20 New
    +6
    Bookmark dates are respected. The main thing is that it should not be delayed with the construction periods, as with the first of the series.

    Glitter and poverty ... "Sharks"was launched 3,5 years after laying.
    1. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 14 December 2015 12: 22 New
      0
      It will be delayed, even as it is delayed, and it is already stretching now. Until the 20 year, the fleet will receive only 2-3 of such ships, instead of the promised 5. This is most likely 2.
      1. Sergey Trifonov
        Sergey Trifonov 14 December 2015 12: 26 New
        +3
        More optimism Anton Gavrilov.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 14 December 2015 12: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: Sergey Trifonov
          More optimism Anton Gavrilov.

          I really hope that in the 16th year the MAPL Kazan will be finally launched. We are building Boreas, but it’s not clear and quiet with the Ash trees. Although it was agreed that the Ash trees will be built in the same series as the Boreas, but so far only one Severodvinsk furrows the world's oceans.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 14 December 2015 13: 32 New
            +1
            Yes, everything is sad, both with Ash-trees and with Boreas. In 2017, at best, someone will be commissioned. Or they can shift everything to the right again
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 14 December 2015 13: 54 New
              +1
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Yes, everything is sad, both with Ash-trees and with Boreas. In 2017, at best, someone will be commissioned. Or they can shift everything to the right again

              Shoigu said in a report that in the 16th year two multi-purpose submarines will be launched, but he did not say which ones ... God forbid, if one of them is Kazan.
              1. Anton Gavrilov
                Anton Gavrilov 14 December 2015 15: 06 New
                +1
                3-4: Veliky Novgorod, Kolpino project 636.3, Kronstadt project 677, and perhaps Kazan 885M.
              2. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 14 December 2015 15: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: NEXUS
                Shoigu said in a report that in the 16th year two multi-purpose submarines will be launched, but he did not say which ones ... God forbid, if one of them is Kazan.
                Even if there is one "Kazan" (and 2 diesels will be lowered anyway, Gavrilov is 100% right. Admiralty shipyards, together with Zelenodolsk, are the only ones who do not break the deadline), this does not mean that they will be put into operation, even in a year ... Already 11356 for which the project is worked out, and so far the flag has not been raised on any of them. Grigorovich, let me remind you, was launched in the spring of 2014, and Essen in the fall of the same year.
            2. Anton Gavrilov
              Anton Gavrilov 14 December 2015 15: 05 New
              +1
              They will not accept anyone in the 2017. They will promise that the flag will be raised in Kazan, but in the end, it will be the same with Gorshkov and Grigorovich this year, quietly and smoothly, without too much noise, will float further to the 18, but how everything will turn out in 18, they will accept or it will not be ready yet time will tell.
              1. Laksamana besar
                Laksamana besar 14 December 2015 15: 41 New
                0
                Admiral Grigorovich in the Baltic graduated from the state. tests and has already gone to the training grounds of the Northern Fleet, where he will complete the latter, after which he will return to Yantar, where preparations for the transfer of the Russian Navy will take place. I hope that it will go into operation early next year.
                1. Anton Gavrilov
                  Anton Gavrilov 14 December 2015 16: 15 New
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                  Quote: Laksamana Besar
                  Admiral Grigorovich in the Baltic graduated from the state. trials


                  Nope, I haven’t finished yet, because he hasn’t shot yet from UKKS With TsU, and this is an extremely important test. Since UKKS there were only throwing launches, for now.
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 14 December 2015 17: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: Anton Gavrilov
                In 2017, no one will be accepted.

                In 17, they promise to launch the Belgorod nuclear submarine ... an interesting submarine. There are two opinions - the first: this is a 5th generation nuclear submarine and the second: it is a carrier submarine for the STATUS-6 program, and after that it will seem like Khabarovsk.
                On December 20, 2012, in workshop No. 55 of PO "Sevmash" (Severodvinsk) on Project 09852, the SSGN K-139 "Belgorod" Project 949AM (factory # 664) was re-laid. As of mid-2015, work on the re-equipment of the submarine continues and the readiness of the boat is predicted no earlier than 2016-2017.

                There are several options for the hypothetical use of the new launch boat:
                1. The official version is that the carrier boat will carry one or more manned deep-sea rescue vehicles and several autonomous unmanned vehicles. The latter are likely to be located at the site of missile launchers of SSGN 949A.
                2. Hypothetical version - the carrier boat will carry a nuclear deep-sea station of the type pr.10831 or the type of prospective pr.18510M. It is possible that in this case, a watch will be installed in the PLASN case in the niche of which the means of docking and servicing the wearable AGS will be placed.
                3. PLA will be the carrier of the dual-use complex "Magma"
                1. Anton Gavrilov
                  Anton Gavrilov 14 December 2015 17: 57 New
                  0
                  Belgorod is generally originally a submarine of the 949 project, how can it be the 5 generation then?)

                  Even 09851 is pure 4.))
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 14 December 2015 18: 16 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Anton Gavrilov
                    Belgorod is generally originally a submarine of the 949 project, how can it be the 5 generation then?)

                    The fact of the matter is that there is too much secrecy and rumors around this boat. I do not claim that Belgorod is a 5th generation nuclear submarine, but I say that there is such an opinion. The same incomprehensible story with Khabarovsk. 8 series submarines were reduced by 7, reloading Belgorod. In general, a lot of fog was released ...
                2. Anton Gavrilov
                  Anton Gavrilov 14 December 2015 17: 59 New
                  0
                  Yes and more pull down and accepting the fleet is still different things. wink

                  More or less stable and massive new nuclear boats will go only in the area of ​​20
          2. Anton Gavrilov
            Anton Gavrilov 14 December 2015 15: 10 New
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            Well, there.

            In Kazan, next year, in spring, the docking should finish, accept electrical power at the end of the year, installation and electrical installation for the most part should also finish the next year, well, God forbid.

            Installation work will gradually unfold in Novosibirsk, God forbid, a compartment or two is joined together.

            In Krasnoyarsk, they should finish supplying the PC sections and finish the hydraulic tests, the hydraulic ones should start this month, but we live in Russia, everything went right .... And far away, alas, as far as I can tell for obvious reasons, but this is a solid parts of 1 of the year ....

            Next year they should start working normally in Arkhangelsk, but now, in fact, there it was, just as it was when laying the section of the 1 compartment, it’s still lonely ....
          3. Anton Gavrilov
            Anton Gavrilov 14 December 2015 15: 11 New
            0
            On the NSR as a whole, priority No. 1 is the 955 project, hence the corresponding allocation of resources, except perhaps for money, here they are regularly allocated for everything.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 14 December 2015 17: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: Anton Gavrilov
              On the NSR as a whole, priority No. 1 is the 955 project, hence the corresponding allocation of resources, except perhaps for money, here they are regularly allocated for everything.

              It’s not clear why the priority is given to 955 (Borey) project, and not 885 (Ash). Boreas are simply missile carriers designed for a retaliatory missile strike, and Ash is a multi-purpose submarine carrying, by the way, Liner missiles, which are no less long-range than Bulava.
              1. Anton Gavrilov
                Anton Gavrilov 14 December 2015 18: 03 New
                0
                Ash carrying Liner? О0 This is something new. Ash carries Caliber with Onyx. Well, this means that our leadership gives higher priority to nuclear forces than to more traditional ones.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 14 December 2015 18: 18 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Anton Gavrilov
                  Ash carrying Liner? О0 This is something new. Ash carries Caliber with Onyx. Well, this means that our leadership gives higher priority to nuclear forces than to more traditional ones.

                  I know about Onyxes and Caliber ... and about Liners, sclerosis seems to let me down. The Liner replaces Sineva, which they put on Dolphins. And for some reason I decided that the Liner should be put on Yaseni. Sorry, for the inaccuracy and thanks for the amendment. hi
        2. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov 14 December 2015 15: 03 New
          0
          One must be a realist, not an optimist first things first!

          If you approach all things with realism and do everything accordingly, then there will be more joy in the end!
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 15 December 2015 09: 00 New
      0
      I wonder why it is impossible to rebuild 1-2 boats, which have exhausted their resource as a warship, for the needs of "oceanography"? At one time, how many large surface "oceanographic" ships were built ...
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 December 2015 12: 29 New
    0
    Well, that's good. good

    Again - to the mericatos for joy! laughing
  5. MaxGerb
    MaxGerb 14 December 2015 12: 32 New
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    great, great news day after day.

    the year before last (~) aviation
    last week 2 boats for the World Cup passed.
    on this tab the missile carrier
    what to expect from next weeks? )))

    great pace!
  6. gg.na
    gg.na 14 December 2015 12: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Atrix
    The news is of course super. But damn if it had been built for a year and a half, it would have been even better.

    Haste is needed when catching fleas and diarrhea! Such as this missile carrier you just need to do with a sense of a good arrangement, but hurry to make people laugh!
  7. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 14 December 2015 12: 43 New
    0
    Excellent! The news, as always, tickles the nerves of our "partners" from the Tan and NATO. And what sonorous names: "Prince Oleg", "Prince Vladimir" "Suvorov" !!!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 14: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Alexey-74
      And what sonorous names: "Prince Oleg", "Prince Vladimir" "Suvorov" !!!

      Returning to the Empire drinks Communists stroke hello.tongue Not Lenin, not Trotsky, but "Emperor Alexander III" fellow
  8. Mera joota
    Mera joota 14 December 2015 12: 55 New
    -3
    Oh and bad karma of this name ... The previous carrier died with the whole crew ...
    1. sisa29
      sisa29 14 December 2015 13: 11 New
      +2
      Squadron battleship "Alexander III", assigned to the Russian Guard - the Guards naval crew, after damaging the "Suvorov" first followed the out of order flagship, but then independently led the squadron. Acting for only 25 minutes as the leader of the Alexander III squadron, after carrying out a counter-maneuver under the stern of the Togo battleship detachment, he gave the Russian squadron a respite, and he himself came under longitudinal fire from the Kamimura battleships. At 2 hours 40 minutes. severely beaten by the fire of Japanese armored cruisers, he gave up his place to Borodino and entered the wake of Sisoyu the Great. According to the testimony of cap. 2 rubles. Semyonov - "... in the middle of the ruins of the navigating bridge, surrounded by a raging fire, leaning on the miraculously survived rails, several officers stood and smoked - - - the guard!".
      At about 5 pm "Alexander III" went out of action with a big fire and a roll to the starboard side, occasionally firing from the guns on the left side. Armored cruisers adm. The Kamimura immediately shifted their fire to him, although there was no longer any need. The battleship was dying. From the raised port side, the team threw themselves into the water, the starboard side quickly went into the water and 20-30 people moved quickly across it. Having overturned, the battleship floated upside down for a long time. Hundreds of heads swam around. The cruiser "Izumrud" approached the crash site, dropped bunks, lifebuoys and belts, but was forced to withdraw by Japanese fire.
      About 8 hours 15 minutes battleship Alexander III sank. No one escaped from the glorious ship. Together with the battleship, 29 officers, 11 conductors and 827 lower ranks were killed.
      1. Terner38
        Terner38 14 December 2015 14: 10 New
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        As Marty McFly said- "History can be rewritten .."
    2. sisa29
      sisa29 14 December 2015 13: 14 New
      +2
      I do not want to agree with you. For example, if your grandfather died a hero during the war on the battlefield, would you name your son in honor of him?
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 14 December 2015 13: 35 New
      0
      "Varyag" how many were in the fleet
  9. Nick888
    Nick888 14 December 2015 12: 57 New
    +2
    Sounds so powerful ... Emperor Alexander III
    And most importantly, the technology itself lives up to its name.
  10. Fei_Wong
    Fei_Wong 14 December 2015 14: 04 New
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    Quote: Kars
    Is it interesting that there are no other names? And when Alexander 3 was mentioned, the battleship that immediately died in Tsushima pops up in memory. Already Makarov would have been named after the admiral (even though he also died there)

    Makarov died not there, but at Port Arthur, with another attempt to break through the 1st squadron.
    PS And speak "в Tsushima "is illiterate. Tsushima is an island. В the island our battleship could not die. He died or у Tsushima, or in / at Tsushima the battle.
    1. Kars
      Kars 14 December 2015 14: 10 New
      +2
      Let me use the term Russo-Japanese War?
  11. ASG7
    ASG7 14 December 2015 15: 18 New
    +1
    But perhaps not 20 ICBMs will have or have already refused to expand.
  12. martin-159
    martin-159 14 December 2015 15: 55 New
    0
    And I remembered the recipe for the Alexander 3 cocktail.
  13. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 14 December 2015 16: 02 New
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    A beautiful rocket carrier is a beautiful name! The main thing is that his fate be worthy! And our enemies trembled, as they say ..
  14. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 14 December 2015 16: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: Kars
    Is it interesting that there are no other names? And when Alexander 3 was mentioned, the battleship that immediately died in Tsushima pops up in memory. Already Makarov would have been named after the admiral (even though he also died there)

    I also think that there are many other and very interesting names that are more suitable for "Boreas". For example "Andrew the First-Called". The name "George the Victorious" will be released soon. Or you can continue the princely series, for example, "Prince Rurik"
    And "Admiral Makarov" is already there - this is the SKR project 11356, launched, being completed, next year for testing.
    1. Kars
      Kars 14 December 2015 16: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: VohaAhov
      And "Admiral Makarov" already exists

      Makorov deserves a larger ship. The cruiser Marshal Ustinov would be nice to rename Makarov.
  15. Old26
    Old26 14 December 2015 16: 56 New
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    Quote: Anton Gavrilov
    For reference, such a large and complex ship, as an atomic submarine strategic missile carrier, is being built in Europe and the United States for about 10 years

    Yah? Total TWO FRENCH BOATS from the moment of laying to the moment of entering the BS, they had a term of 10 and 11 years. The other two - 7 and 8
    The English were built, respectively, 5, 6, 7 and 8 years
    American type "Ohio":
    - 7 years = 1 boat
    - 6 years = 2 boats
    - 5 years = 8 boats
    - 4 years = 2 boats
    - 3 years = 4 boats
    - 2 years = 1 boat
    Why do you conclude that about 10 years are being built ???
  16. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 14 December 2015 17: 50 New
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    The main thing is not to stop. There were enough worthy kings and queens in Russia; we must honor them all in this way.
  17. tokens2
    tokens2 14 December 2015 21: 04 New
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    Will the surface fleet be replenished with new ships with the names of Russian tsars and princes?
    Or is it exclusively the right of the underwater shield of the Motherland?
    It is clear that destroyers and frigates are not named according to their status ... however, calibers from any "Peter 1 boat" can magically recreate literally unlimited status, which even a compass is not a hindrance.
  18. asiat_61
    asiat_61 14 December 2015 22: 40 New
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    I'm not a naval, it's hard for me to judge, but in R.I. at one time they did not give the ships their own names. It's just how the phrase will sound: "Admiral Nakhimov" drowned, ugh ugh ugh. In my opinion, somehow it is not very attractive.
  19. Old26
    Old26 15 December 2015 09: 03 New
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    Quote: asiat_61
    I'm not a naval, it's hard for me to judge, but in R.I. at one time they did not give the ships their own names. It's just how the phrase will sound: "Admiral Nakhimov" drowned, ugh ugh ugh. In my opinion, somehow it is not very attractive.

    In due time - this is when ?? All warships of the Russian Imperial Navy had their own names, including submarines. The exception was the so-called. "numbered destroyers"
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      asiat_61 15 December 2015 20: 52 New
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      A proper name and a name are two different things.
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    Old26 15 December 2015 09: 10 New
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    however, calibers from any "Peter 1 boat" can magically recreate literally unlimited status

    How much in vain can you remember this "CALIBER" ??? Our "sworn friends" have thousands of such missiles, and hundreds of carriers. And we all remember the "Botik", then the "barge". As I understand it, before the appearance of the next from the point of view of "EXPERTS" Vynderwaffe. Start collecting materials on "Zircon", too, there will be a lot of screams about the new wunderwaffe
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      tokens2 15 December 2015 12: 06 New
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      Old26
      How much in vain can you remember this "CALIBER" ???

      Well, "VSUvat" caliber may not be sickly. Depending on the warhead.
      The main caliber of battleships of the 20th century is known.
      The "caliber" of the 21st century is also known.
      But the fact that
      the number of such missiles is in the thousands, and the carriers in the hundreds.
      in the USA
      This is all from the delusional ideas of global peace. laughing
      As I understand it, before the appearance of the next from the point of view of "EXPERTS" vynderwaffe

      Do you dream about grandiose projects of aircraft carriers? Atomic large-tonnage ships? Worth as much as all medicine and education in Russia?
      God forbid Russia take out such a yes and put a waffle.
      Start collecting materials on "Zircon",

      I'm not an Honduran intelligence agent laughing
      There are still enough calibers for our century.
      And we all remember the "Botik", then the "barge".

      Get from a "barge" caliber? An enchanting idea laughing
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    Termit1309 15 December 2015 11: 30 New
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    Quote: Old26
    How much in vain can you remember this "CALIBER" ??? Our "sworn friends" have thousands of such missiles, and hundreds of carriers.

    Thanks to the Caliber, what was actually built in Russia from surface ships (MRS Buyan-m and Baltic corvettes) has at least some strategic value.
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    Old26 15 December 2015 14: 29 New
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    Quote: Lexi2
    Well, "VSUvat" caliber may not be sickly. Depending on the warhead. The main caliber of battleships of the 20th century is known. The "caliber" of the 21st century is also known.

    To whom? A country with an absent or weak air defense - easily. With strong air defense - the probability is zero or close to zero. Or comprehensively in a regional war, with the use of all forces and means. And then again, to a country with underdeveloped or outdated air defense.
    They didn’t ask themselves the question, why the massive use of RS occurs in such conditions?

    Quote: Lexi2
    the United States is all from the delusional ideas of global peace

    Do you prefer to have a dozen carriers and 2-3 hundreds of rockets? The presence of "Tomahawks" speaks not so much about the idea of ​​a global peace, but about the availability of an instrument to project their interests against countries that do not belong to the top twenty.

    Quote: Lexi2
    Are you dreaming of grandiose projects of aircraft carriers? Atomic large-tonnage ships? Worth as much as all medicine and education in Russia? God forbid Russia take these and put a waffle.

    I don’t dream. But here at VO, as something new appears, so immediately, according to the ICSPERT, they become a prodigy. And everyone strives to put this system where it is necessary and where not. One of the writers really suggested having out on barges without thinking about everything else. Periodically, the CALIBER becomes such a waffle, then ISKANDER, then the electronic warfare system ... As they say here, I’ll say that the next wunderwaffe will be ZIRCON
    He will be offered to put him on any vessel in turn, there will be offers to send him to Syria ...

    Quote: Lexi2
    I am not an agent of Honduran intelligence Caliber for our century is still enough

    Let's see how much is enough for you. For a month or two.

    Quote: Lexi2
    Get from a "barge" caliber? An enchanting idea

    Blessed is he who believes ...

    Quote: Termit1309
    Thanks to the Caliber, what was actually built in Russia from surface ships (MRS Buyan-m and Baltic corvettes) has at least some strategic value.

    None of them has strategic value. Baltic corvettes are ships of the near sea zone, 2 ranks. And the serial ones are not worth the CALIBER. Only "URANS"
    Their autonomy in reserves is 15 days, in the course of 12 days. On the economy one they will reach Lisbon. "Buyany-M" are generally ships of the "river-sea" class. Roughly speaking - punt. On the Black Sea they are due to the fact that there are almost no OVR ships in the Black Sea Fleet. The strategic value is even lower than that of corvettes. With their autonomy in general 10 days
    In fact, subsonic missiles in general are not in themselves a strategic weapon. Unless when used with nuclear submarines or aircraft ... From ships - this is an operational tactical weapon.
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      tokens2 15 December 2015 15: 03 New
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      To whom? A country with an absent or weak air defense - easily. With strong air defense - the probability is zero or close to zero.

      A conflict with a country with a developed air defense system implies a broader version of "impact".
      Or do you consider the value of cruise missiles exclusively starting from a thousand pieces? Apart from the US budget, no one will draw such numbers.
      I don’t think the caliber of the wunderwolf is “everything from everything.” However, the range is obvious. And from what this “range” will be projected after the suppression of air defense.
      In principle, for everyone it will be all the same.
      This is a barge or a handsome cruiser. Yes, even with a river-sea boat.