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A crack in the coalition?

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According to Bloomberg, Iran is starting to withdraw its units participating in the coalition of forces led by Russia and leading a military campaign in Syria. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is retreating from Syria. It seems that the Russians are losing their “important ally”; a coalition was formed in the coalition.




Eli Lake in an article for Bloomberg View cites the opinions of a number of American and other Western military officials. Experts believe that the military coalition in Syria, led by Russia, "cracked". Earlier, President Obama, recalls the publication, ridiculed the campaign launched by the "coalition of two."

US officials told the correspondent that, according to their observations, in recent weeks a significant number of soldiers of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps have been retreating from the Syrian military zone. The retreat began after some senior officers were injured and killed, leading a campaign in Idlib province and other areas. As a result, the attack launched in September on the initiative of the Russians “seems to be losing an important ally”.

On Friday at a conference at the Brookings Institute, Israel’s Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon said that, according to Russia's original plan, Idlib was supposed to be taken over by other cities that were under the control of “rebels”. However, the Russians will not be able to take the city "due to military difficulties." Campaigns face "failure." As arguments, the Israeli Defense Minister called the “incompetence” of the Syrian army and the “absence of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps”.

This is an amazing turn of events, says Eli Lake. The Western media reported this fall that Kasem Suleymani, the leader of the elite Iranian units of Quds, and representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry held talks. The rapprochement of the two states was to turn the tide of the Syrian war and prevent the fall of Bashar al-Assad.

In October, the Wall Street Journal, 2015, provided expert assessments that more than 7000 Iranian revolutionary guards and volunteers who joined the ranks of other paramilitary units helped the Syrian regime in the war. At the end of October, General Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States Army, pointed out that the 2000 Iranian soldiers in Syria are fighting to "save Assad."

And what about today? Now this number, according to American and other Western officials, has been greatly reduced. An official working in the “Western defense” field (the name is not given) told a reporter that now only 700 Iranian fighters from the Revolutionary Guard Corps are currently participating in an operation under the command in Russia. (The estimate does not include Iranian military advisers who have cooperated with the Syrian armed forces since 2012.)

One of the reasons why Iran is currently quitting a game in Syria, according to US officials, is that many officers were killed or injured in the fall in heavy fighting. The US intelligence community is still trying to get evidence of Suleimani’s injury (he was reportedly injured at the end of November in Aleppo, Syria’s largest city).

Robert Ford, the former US ambassador to Syria in 2011-2014, told the newspaper that the Corps fighters are in the thick of the war. “They lose their lieutenants,” he said. “When you lose lieutenants, it means that you lose people fighting on the front lines.”

And the official press of Iran has already begun to recognize some of these losses.

Ford says that the brutal battles involving Iranian military forces are a sign that the support of the Syrian opposition by the West and the Arab monarchies may have "significant influence" on the course of the war.

A question for US politicians: what will the withdrawal of Iranian forces lead to for the campaign led by Russia? Both countries, both Russia and Iran, agree that President Assad should remain in power for the foreseeable future. Russian President Vladimir Putin has even “pondered this week about the use of nuclear weapons against the "Islamic state", the newspaper notes.

Meanwhile, according to some press reports, Russia plans to open a second air base near Homs (in central Syria) in addition to the base in Latakia, on the Mediterranean coast. Experts suggest that Moscow has decided to strengthen the air war. In recent days, US officials have said that they are seeing an increase in the activity of the Russian air campaign in Aleppo.

On the other hand, other politicians in the United States emphasize that the Kremlin is not able to continue the air campaign for an "indefinite period." Deputy Secretary of State Anthony Blinken highlighted this view last week in a forum organized by Foreign Policy magazine. According to him, while the “military intervention of Russia” in Syria strengthened the leverage of Assad, it also “increased the leverage of the conflict with Russia.” Mr. Blinken is confident that Moscow cannot afford to do what it does in Syria for a long time. ”

The protracted conflict has a negative effect on Iran, the journalist said. If it comes to the long term, the cost of maintaining the Al-Assad government will be exorbitant for them. For the West, this is a positive outcome. So says the aforementioned Ford, currently an expert at the Institute of the Middle East. “If they feel,” he said, “that the costs of a war can be stable for several months (but hardly for years), they can afford to pay this price. They appreciate the support of the Assad government, which they are doing now. ”

Since 2011, when the Syrian people launched an uprising against Assad, the journalist continues, Iran and Russia were willing to pay an “increased price” for supporting Assad. And yet, even with the Russian air campaign and the infusion of Iranian fighters into it, Assad is not able to recapture the entire country. And the Obama administration hopes that the withdrawal of the Iranian forces is now a sign that at least one of Assad’s allies may decide to reduce its participation in the campaign.

Reports of the withdrawal of Iranian forces from Syria and the death of Iranian military leaders are confirmed by many major sources, including Russian.

How 13 passed December RIA News", the brigadier general of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards of Iran died during a battle with militants in Syria. This was reported by the Iranian news agency "Fars".

“General Hossein Fadi was killed in a battle with the terrorists of the Islamic State grouping,” it said.

Fadai served as a military adviser to the Syrian army.

RIA "News"Recalls that at the end of October 2015 in Syria, the brigade general of the IRGC Reza Khavari and eight Iranian soldiers were killed.

"Vedomosti" write that Russia replaces Iran as a support for the Syrian authorities. This may lead to a further complication of Russia's relations with other countries that are at war with IG.

According to Bloomberg, Iran is withdrawing a significant portion of its military from Syria; the country will remain from 700 to 1000 soldiers and officers of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The number of advisors will also be reduced. The partial withdrawal of Iranians from Syria means that Tehran admits the failures of the last operations, the newspaper notes.

In order to prevent the deterioration of the front-line situation, Moscow will have to supply the Syrian army more weapons and go on strengthening the air group. According to Leonid Isayev from HSE, Russia in support of Assad is gradually replacing Iran. And it is beneficial to Iran, which is out of the sanctions, but unprofitable for Russia.

"Recently, about seven high-ranking general officers of the IRGC died in Syria," said "Moskovsky Komsomol" Senior Researcher, Institute of Oriental Studies, RAS, Professor Vladimir Sazhin. - This is a big loss. Of course, it alarmed the Iranians. But I do not think that this is the main reason for the alleged withdrawal of troops. There may be much deeper reasons. It is very difficult for Iran to conduct large-scale military operations in Syria, because it does not border this country. There is a question about the need to transfer troops. These are complex operations from the point of view of rear support of military operations. ”

According to the expert, we are hardly talking about the withdrawal of troops: “I don’t think they will withdraw troops. Maybe there is some sort of redeployment. Special units of the IRGC are changing to ground forces. A month and a half ago, there were reports that Iran plans to increase the number of its troops in Syria to 6-7 thousand. ”

The truth in this matter, we add, is rather difficult to learn. She knows only the soldiers fighting on the ground. Iran has long been considered one of the main allies of the Syrian President Assad, but in Tehran itself, participation in the Syrian campaign is constantly denied. “Legally” is assisted by Assad in his war with “opposition” groups and the army of the “Islamic State” Shiite militia, Kurdish troops and Russia with their air attacks. In addition, it is believed that a coalition of states led by the United States is fighting against the "IS" in Syria.

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  1. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 15 December 2015 06: 56 New
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    She smiled at the last sentence of the article - "In addition, it is believed that a coalition of states led by the United States is fighting against ISIS in Syria." The keyword is "counted."
    1. SSR
      SSR 15 December 2015 07: 10 New
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      Yesterday, Komrad from Israel wrote about the possible replacement of the IRGC with a regular army. You just have to wait. Imha, after such a path traveled, Iran cannot back down. To withstand all sanctions and not withstand losses of hundreds? Something does not fit together.
      1. atalef
        atalef 15 December 2015 08: 03 New
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        Quote: SSR
        Yesterday, Komrad from Israel wrote about the possible replacement of the IRGC with a regular army.

        I don’t know who wrote. but in my opinion. Iran will not enter the regular army.
        Only Basidzh (volunteers) and the IRGC (but that's what it was about 0
        Assad is not popular in Iran, and sending a regular army there will be perceived negatively in the country.
        1. SSR
          SSR 15 December 2015 09: 03 New
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          Quote: atalef
          Quote: SSR
          Yesterday, Komrad from Israel wrote about the possible replacement of the IRGC with a regular army.

          I don’t know who wrote. but in my opinion. Iran will not enter the regular army.
          Only Basidzh (volunteers) and the IRGC (but that's what it was about 0
          Assad is not popular in Iran, and sending a regular army there will be perceived negatively in the country.

          I'll find his nickname))) and yesterday from donavi49 there was infa with a picture of a bumblebee of the zero igil that fell into the hands of infa and that the Ksirov’s officers went on a fool on Fridays and that, as a consequence, there was little order, hence the bumblebee got to the igil.
          In fact, we don’t really know the nuances of the Iranian moods, we know that Iran was threatened with a color revolution and that there are protest moods, but we don’t know about the nuances. What mood do you think is popular in Iranian society?
        2. cniza
          cniza 15 December 2015 09: 04 New
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          Provocative stuffing of information will continue, the game is too big, we will see and we need to continue our work.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 15 December 2015 14: 43 New
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            Quote: cniza
            Provocative stuffing will continue

            Yes that's for sure.
            Iran, they say, withdraws its guards. Why did he send them there? Has Ayatollah decided to have fun?
            Say, like that took and recalled. Tired of him. They killed the general. These generals are there ... for several thousand soldiers. The esperd is babbling in MK, saying that it’s difficult for Iran to transfer the military and supplying them, he allegedly does not border Syria. Not once has a military orientalist issued a hypothesis. wink
            And how many Iranian warriors are there? Already seven thousand fellow , a whole team of almost. In Chechnya, our group reached 100 thousand. For comparison.
            What is it difficult to supply them using the transport capabilities of the Russian Federation?
            Western zhurnalyugi broadcast that, you see, "the Syrian people began an uprising against Assad." And without exception, he entered ISIS, etc. And those who are for Assad are no longer people. no
            No, to write the truth: in Syria, a civil war inspired by external forces.
            Yes, by and large, in Syria, only the most large-scale hostilities, and the war of radical Islamists and more or less normal and goes to Libya, and Egypt, and Yemen, and Israel. And in Paris too.
            There it is not possible to win completely.
            It is necessary to take control of key areas, destroy the most ardent, and gradually, with the whole world, help healthy forces restore order at least in the rest of the territories.
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 15 December 2015 16: 43 New
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            cniza

            This time I agree with you.

            In my opinion, it’s financially cheaper to write the right article. Create a specific image of the situation. And in subsequent articles, he refers to the previous one, as an undeniable source of information. All is correct. After all, everyone says so.
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        4. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 15 December 2015 12: 59 New
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          Quote: atalef
          I don’t know who wrote. but in my opinion

          But the picture doesn’t matter if it takes off the hooray points — the Turks are pushing in every way from the north — the troops aren’t bringing in more likely because there are still enough local dushmans, the Iranians are withdrawing troops, even if there weren’t very many that would achieve strategic superiority no less advanced Assad army they gave .. who will replace the Iranians? except for minuses does anyone have an answer? Not the Chinese, but for some reason they do not climb into this weld, although they have no less interests in BV ?? Without the land component, everything loses its meaning, and let Assad’s army fight back where they are now ..
          PS sincerely hope to see the answers, and not 100500 cons hi
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 15 December 2015 13: 23 New
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            Quote: afdjhbn67
            I sincerely hope to see the answers

            continuation of the topic


            2 hours ago | Branches | Interfax
            Turkey significantly increased purchases of Russian gas
            Despite Turkey’s statements about its readiness to reduce dependence on Russian gas, in the fourth quarter Gazprom’s exports to this country could grow by about 1 billion cubic meters. m. compared with October-December 2014.

            Aren't they so actively stocking up before the war ??
          2. capitosha1rang
            capitosha1rang 15 December 2015 16: 05 New
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            The “land component” for Russia is across the throat.
            The United States, for example, a hundred fighters, NATO countries will chip in a dozen.
            Does it work out a bit?
            And perish from the blows of our air forces, at least ONE American, German, French (hereinafter - on the list of NATO) - what wave will rise in the world? What sanctions will follow?
            Dozens of our planes burn the sea of ​​kerosene daily, and the western devils rub their hands, launch a new technology - the Saudi coalition, ready to fight with anyone. For the Saudis, any buza is entertainment.
            Look what Qatar is. One and a half million people. Those who do not know what labor is, because wealth strikes from under the earth. Deprived children of work, educated in England and the USA, are not entertained by electronic games, they are trying to play with the lives of hundreds of millions of people.
            Snickering cattle, they do not know what a real war is. And it can be a secret, sabotage. Oil and gas exports, terminals, ports - “random” fires and explosions, the capital itself, in which 90% of the population lives? Fresh water - imported, or from desalination plants. What, more precisely, of local tribes "supporting the policy of Russia" have run out of anthrax spores, for example, or something more modern and effective?
            Again, remember Comrade. Stalin, he said at the time, that "we will protect the territory of Mongolia as our own," and the issue was resolved.
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          4. gladcu2
            gladcu2 15 December 2015 17: 00 New
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            afdg

            The Chinese are very pragmatic. Well, they have their own area of ​​responsibility.

            Apparently, the Iranians did not rotate on time. The ice is tired. And the war suddenly dragged on.

            GDP, the oil businessman began to bomb late. Everyone hoped for the reasonableness of the behavior of the financial structure paying for the ISIS project.

            The next step of the GDP is to voice responsibility for the project with the name of the names. Apparently, D. Carey takes up this question.
        5. olegactor
          olegactor 15 December 2015 14: 52 New
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          ento who believes ... Jews or something ... funny only in Syria think differently
        6. padded jacket
          padded jacket 15 December 2015 16: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          I don’t know who wrote. but in my opinion. Iran will not enter the regular army.

          Again, twenty-five IRGCs are regular units only under the authority of the Ayatollah himself.
          Quote: atalef
          Assad is not popular in Iran, and sending a regular army there will be perceived negatively in the country.

          Again, both Bashar al-Assad and his father Hafez al-Assad enjoyed and enjoy great respect in Iran (by the way, Syria under Hafez al-Assad was one of those countries that supported Iran throughout the Iran-Iraq war).
          Syria is one of the countries of the so-called Shiite belt and Iran will not give up on it, and what is happening now is just regular stuffing designed to split the coalition of Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Hezbollah.
          Syria Salma District
          1. Pretoreanec
            Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 21: 37 New
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            A repost of agitprop is an argument!))))

            And the question is: what kind of militias ?!))) and how is the militia different from the militant (since the beginning of the hybrid war in the east of Ukraine I am interested)?
          2. padded jacket
            padded jacket 15 December 2015 22: 36 New
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            Deer ez Zoor the courageous garrison of the city and its inhabitants for three years, not sparing their lives in complete surroundings, have been fighting terrorists. I liked the old but reliable MIG-21s which had to be retrained as pure bombers.
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            2. atalef
              atalef 15 December 2015 22: 40 New
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              Quote: quilted jacket
              Deer ez Zoor the courageous garrison of the city and its inhabitants for three years not sparing their lives in complete encirclement fight with terrorists.

              Full ? What do they eat? wink
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 16 December 2015 11: 20 New
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                Quote: atalef
                Full ? What do they eat?

                Helicopters sometimes flew in if you are not in the know.
            3. Pretoreanec
              Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 23: 02 New
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              - What are your plans for tomorrow?
              - Curse Obama.
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 15 December 2015 09: 42 New
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        Quote: SSR
        Yesterday, Komrad from Israel wrote about the possible replacement of the IRGC with a regular army.

        Quote: atalef
        I don’t know who wrote.

        Perhaps you are talking about a comment from an article about Iranian MLRS

        voyaka uh IL Yesterday, 13:15
        Somehow, the Iranians didn’t go well ... the 7th general has already been killed!
        selective IRGC lost several hundred killed.

        It’s like they’re thinking of replacing the Revolutionary Guards with a regular army,
        by rotation ..

        hi
      3. antoXa
        antoXa 15 December 2015 11: 54 New
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        SSR
        Iran has nowhere to retreat at all, they need Syria and Assad much more than we do, and people who are trying to calculate their need for dollars and 7 dead generals are ridiculous, they confuse themselves and Iranians if 7 state generals died then yes, howling would be scary, but it's Iranians)))
        Most likely the situation on the fronts has changed and the enemies in Syria should wait for the redistribution of efforts from Iran and the strike in another sensitive place).
        1. syndicalist
          syndicalist 15 December 2015 18: 21 New
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          The news is confirmed by all world agencies. Well, since even the Iranians are tearing their claws, then Assad’s affairs are completely hopeless
        2. atalef
          atalef 15 December 2015 23: 05 New
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          Quote: antoXa
          Iran has nowhere to retreat at all, they need Syria and Assad much more than we

          Yes, only there is always a retreat.
          in general - this is a purely eastern mentality (you will still encounter it more than once _
          The IRGC commander came to Putin and persuaded him to send troops to Syria.
          But after Russia densely settled there (and realizing that after the incident with the plane, there is no turning back) - they quietly began to withdraw their units.

          East, however.
          Quote: antoXa
          and people who try to calculate this need for them in dollars and in the 7 dead generals are ridiculous, they confuse themselves and the Iranians, if 7 state generals died then yes, howling would be scary, but it's Iranians

          Yes, they have a lot of generals. And they made a simple conclusion - so far to leave.
          By the way, the same story with Hezbollah
          According to The Times of London, citing diplomatic and intelligence sources in Beirut, Hezbollah began to withdraw part of its troops from Syria.

          Sources close to Hezbollah “deny that they acted according to political pressure” and explain that the partial withdrawal of the troops “was based solely on tactical considerations.”
          Meanwhile, a senior diplomatic source said that until recently, up to 10 Hezbollah fighters fought in Syria, and now a little less than half remains there.


          By the way, the IRGC had a maximum of 7000, now there are about 500 left, despite the fact that only a VKS group with a staff of 5000 people.
          So, understand the proportions.
      4. serega.fedotov
        serega.fedotov 15 December 2015 12: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: SSR
        Yesterday, Komrad from Israel wrote about the possible replacement of the IRGC with a regular army. You just have to wait. Imha, after such a path traveled, Iran cannot back down. To withstand all sanctions and not withstand losses of hundreds? Something does not fit together.

        And in my opinion, everything is logical, Iran has not fought for a long time, and the constant rotation of units is a great way to gain experience, moreover, in modern high-tech warfare.
        And in general, for some reason, everyone does not see the elephant behind political squabbles around Assad and SS24 — Russia not only “preys” the igil but also actively demonstrates to Iran how to fight and not only in the air, it’s stupid to think that “land” instructors train only Syrians, Iranians on any one, too, shake their heads!
      5. tolian
        tolian 15 December 2015 15: 18 New
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        But I am confused by the number of killed Iranian generals. It seems that only generals are fighting there.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 15 December 2015 18: 26 New
          +1
          Well, the deceased generals, mostly brigade .... it's like "our" colonels. And he is fighting ... "like a militia." And there fanaticism is in fashion. And death is "red" in battle! Paradise is then guaranteed! So the Iranian generals climb into the "ordinary" attack, like Voroshilov in 41 ....
      6. capitosha1rang
        capitosha1rang 15 December 2015 15: 34 New
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        Regular army? Army of the Tramps ...
        Here in the IRGC are such beauties. At the parades - how they go, how menacing they look! Although their faces are covered with black shawls, a chic mustache is guessed. Such guys can easily destroy any village, or they can disperse any demonstration of civilians.
        And here is the war, it is not necessary to show off, but to fight. And change the golden stars to, drawn with a chemical pencil - you'll be whole.
        But, beauty is a terrible force. So the generals climb the front line, lighting the sands with the brilliance of their stars, and pouring them with their hot blood.
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 15 December 2015 16: 04 New
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          you wrote garbage about the Iranian army, this army withstood the hardest eight-year war in the conditions of total devastation caused by the Islamic revolution and continuous world blockade, when in the absence of ammunition and spare parts for Western equipment delivered to the fledged Shah, it stopped Iraqi tank attacks with live waves, showing the preservation of combat readiness at such a loss threshold, at which any army of the west or east would simply have fled, at the level of the Red Army fought on the defensive, the truth could not advance at such a level. remember the mustachioed Iranian generals in that war were lieutenants
      7. alone
        alone 15 December 2015 18: 35 New
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        Quote: SSR
        Yesterday, Komrad from Israel wrote about the possible replacement of the IRGC with a regular army. You just have to wait. Imha, after such a path traveled, Iran cannot back down. To withstand all sanctions and not withstand losses of hundreds? Something does not fit together.


        The IRGC is the most trained part of the Iranian Armed Forces. The regular army is not as strong as the IRGC. In some respects, the IRGC forces are much better equipped than the Iranian Regular Forces.
        The characteristic of the anti-terrorist war in Syria is that the main role in the operation should be played by land units. Iran is suffering heavy losses. There have not been such losses since the Iran-Iraq war. In Iran, not everyone supports the introduction of troops into Syria. Despite this, that state religion in Iran is Shiite Islam, many do not read Alawites as Shiites. Iran needs Syria as a bridgehead in the Middle East to expand the ideas of the Iranian revolution in the region. Everything that has Hezbollah is being thrown through Syria.
        1. atalef
          atalef 15 December 2015 22: 12 New
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          Quote: lonely
          Quote: SSR
          Yesterday, Komrad from Israel wrote about the possible replacement of the IRGC with a regular army. You just have to wait. Imha, after such a path traveled, Iran cannot back down. To withstand all sanctions and not withstand losses of hundreds? Something does not fit together.


          The IRGC is the most trained part of the Iranian Armed Forces. The regular army is not as strong as the IRGC. In some respects, the IRGC forces are much better equipped than the Iranian Regular Forces.
          The characteristic of the anti-terrorist war in Syria is that the main role in the operation should be played by land units. Iran is suffering heavy losses. There have not been such losses since the Iran-Iraq war. In Iran, not everyone supports the introduction of troops into Syria. Despite this, that state religion in Iran is Shiite Islam, many do not read Alawites as Shiites. Iran needs Syria as a bridgehead in the Middle East to expand the ideas of the Iranian revolution in the region. Everything that has Hezbollah is being thrown through Syria.

          Omar, Respect! hi
    2. marlin1203
      marlin1203 15 December 2015 09: 43 New
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      They killed the vizier and the army faltered. Just like in the ancient history of the time of Alexander the Great. Persians are Persians ...
    3. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 15 December 2015 11: 17 New
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      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      The keyword is "counted."
      - I remembered - "I was in Moscow, I saw Sobchak ... - Beautiful? - It is believed yes." laughing
      1. Petrik66
        Petrik66 15 December 2015 13: 21 New
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        I saw her several times - alive, about beauty ....... I don’t drink so much.
      2. Petrik66
        Petrik66 15 December 2015 13: 21 New
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        I saw her several times - alive, about beauty ....... I don’t drink so much.
    4. Sweles
      Sweles 15 December 2015 11: 21 New
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      there are a few points
      firstly, the fact that the Americans are paying, so much attention to circumstance, to the “withdrawal of the Iranians” suggests that the event is special for the Americans.
      secondly, the fact that the Americans insist on the fact of leaving does not yet say that it really is. Iranians with Hussein for 6 years fought and lagged behind their land, so the Iranian army has military experience.
      thirdly, for the entire time since the beginning of the entry of Iranian troops into Syria, THIS IS THE FIRST MESSAGE on the actions of the expeditionary Iranian corps. We must wait for Iran’s official report, and not draw conclusions from unreliable American sources. I don’t think that the Iranians were blown away so quickly.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 15 December 2015 17: 48 New
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        Sweles

        The trick is that Iran’s official communication is not required. All subsequent information will refer to this first.
    5. Gomel
      Gomel 15 December 2015 11: 51 New
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      The most interesting thing is that no one follows the link to Bloomberg ....
      I passed

      1. Bumbergview is not Bloomberg itself as a business magazine, but a blog site ... Ie an extension for a serious business magazine where affiliate journalists and bloggers can write about anything from climate to charity, from frank advertising articles about mineral water to veiled advertising articles about manager courses. That is, this is the platform from where Bloomberg himself will take topics for the main magazine.

      2. The article was written posted (published) and received 307 comments in total (all the noise on the Internet from OTHER publications that reposted with the cry “this is Bloomberg!”, “Bloomberg said!”, “Bloomberg himself !!!”)

      3. But Bloomberg and the editors of the magazine there and does not smell. At the end of this article is written in gray on white:

      This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the editorial board or Bloomberg LP and its owners.

      "This column does not necessarily reflect the views of the publisher or Bloomberg LP and its owners."

      4. Reservations are constantly made in the article itself, possibly according to opinion, etc. Those. this is Wishlist.

      5. but the most interesting thing in such articles ... is mmmm! comments! Come and read, you will not regret it.
      1. Artyom
        Artyom 15 December 2015 12: 52 New
        +2
        Something in Syria is often killed by Iranian generals, the impression is that they command companies there and raise fighters to attack.
      2. _my opinion
        _my opinion 15 December 2015 13: 32 New
        +6
        Quote: Gomel
        The most interesting thing is that no one follows the link to Bloomberg ....
        I passed
        1. Bumbergview is not Bloomberg itself as a business magazine, but a blog site ... Ie an extension for a serious business magazine where affiliate journalists and bloggers can write about anything from climate to charity, from frank advertising articles about mineral water to veiled advertising articles about manager courses. That is, this is the platform from where Bloomberg himself will take topics for the main magazine.
        2. The article was written posted (published) and received 307 comments in total (all the noise on the Internet from OTHER publications that reposted with the cry “this is Bloomberg!”, “Bloomberg said!”, “Bloomberg himself !!!”)
        3. But Bloomberg and the editors of the magazine there and does not smell. At the end of this article is written in gray on white:
        This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the editorial board or Bloomberg LP and its owners.
        "This column does not necessarily reflect the views of the publisher or Bloomberg LP and its owners."
        4. Reservations are constantly made in the article itself, possibly according to opinion, etc. Those. this is Wishlist.
        5. but the most interesting thing in such articles ... is mmmm! comments! Come and read, you will not regret it.

        Thank you sincerely for this info.
        I think it will be useful if Oleg Chuvakin gives this info at an opportunity. hi
    6. Vikings
      Vikings 15 December 2015 16: 41 New
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      And did we have an ally ??? In addition to our fleet and army !!!
    7. Vikings
      Vikings 15 December 2015 16: 44 New
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      So the dryness of the Persians manifested itself! Most likely, everything through Our
      head guessed, with the Yankers.
      1. igor67
        igor67 15 December 2015 17: 26 New
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        Quote: Vikings
        So the dryness of the Persians manifested itself! Most likely, everything through Our
        head guessed, with the Yankers.

        Even today, according to the First Russian one, the News said that oil would fall in price due to the fact that Iran would be lifted by sanctions and allowed to trade in oil, but Iran probably had to do something
        1. Vikings
          Vikings 15 December 2015 18: 17 New
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          not without it
    8. trantor
      trantor 15 December 2015 16: 57 New
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      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      The keyword is "counted."

      Outstripped smile
      You can also ask a question: By whom?
    9. Sterlya
      Sterlya 15 December 2015 19: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      She smiled at the last sentence of the article - "In addition, it is believed that a coalition of states led by the United States is fighting against ISIS in Syria." The keyword is "counted."

      Well, that's right. It is considered (in the west)
      But on the account of the withdrawal of troops by Iran, there is rather a perturbation. Iran at least will not back down.
      And we know all these esbreds and intelligence
    10. bravo-fab
      bravo-fab 15 December 2015 20: 38 New
      -1
      smiles even more that JACOB Putin thinks about using yatu on
  2. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 15 December 2015 07: 03 New
    -5
    If Iran withdraws its x military from Syria, it’s a betrayal. They were given cookies to see.
    1. Jarilo
      Jarilo 15 December 2015 07: 18 New
      13
      Betrayal is self-destructive. I would like to think that Iran has a fairly wise leadership.
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    3. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 15 December 2015 08: 09 New
      23
      Quote: Alexander 3
      If Iran withdraws its x military from Syria, it’s a betrayal. They were given cookies to see.

      it would not be necessary in such a tone about Iran. Persians, despite their own difficulties, were not seen in the “kidalov” of the allies. And resources have always helped. And the last phrase is generally superfluous, kmk.
      1. Vikings
        Vikings 15 December 2015 18: 20 New
        0
        At your leisure, read about the history of Russian-Iranian relations
        nyah! And the matter is not only in the brutal mortification of Griboedov!
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 15 December 2015 19: 45 New
          +4
          Quote: Vikings
          At your leisure, read about the history of Russian-Iranian relations
          nyah! And the matter is not only in the brutal mortification of Griboedov!

          like references to history and other retrospectives) Let's recall that the toponym "Iran" was inspired by the Third Reich ... In general, it is better to start with Thermopylae. Or earlier? Why these equivocations, when it comes to “here and now” in the framework of recent history? Painstaking work to support the allies, even in conditions of sanctions always was the priority of the Persians. And, I hope, remains so. You can discuss on confessional or geopolitical topics, methods, etc., but, I think, Iran, being in isolation, showed its vitality) Removing sanctions and changing vectors is a separate issue.
    4. cap
      cap 15 December 2015 09: 46 New
      15
      Quote: Alexander 3
      If Iran withdraws its x military from Syria, it’s a betrayal. They were given cookies to see.

      That's something, about the cookies to the Iranians, only a person can say who has not seen the Iranian military in his eyes.
      The first misinformation: they don’t drink alcohol at all ...
      The physical training is excellent. The morale is high.
      Therefore, gentlemen, analysts are tearing their hair out, and they count every Iranian soldier, rather reassuring the Saudis and the opposition. It is not time to draw conclusions. hi
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 16 December 2015 01: 00 New
        0
        Quote: cap
        The first misinformation: they don’t drink alcohol at all ...

        - How to say? There was such a story - my dearest, at that time bride and student, studied Persian as a second foreign, and she taught well. And earned evenings in the store. I stood next to the intention to wait for the shift to finish and to go home. That evening I was sitting at the checkout, a handful of buyers came up - just the Iranians and the virgins of obviously not burdensome behavior. The Iranians are in a small line, as they say, here my bride blurted out something in Persian. It later turned out that they were a bride in their own language, well, as men usually discuss - "but nothing at the checkout! Yabvdul" well, etc. Well, my objected to something. So the Iranians in a panic threw all the purchases already paid and evaporated at the moment, leaving the perplexed virgins alone. As I understand it - they are not fools to drink, and to sin with the girls too. But they have = both booze and sin, are prohibited, they have their own Inquisition on this even, which operates even abroad, and they are terribly afraid of it, this Inquisition. So, the “Ksirovites” may well, in the conditions of hostilities, where control is substantially weakened, relax in the wilderness, if their “special agent” gives relief on this score. Do not forget, the fighting is very stressful, adrenaline is constantly in the blood, you can’t remove the tension without alcohol ... You even physically feel the tension at the end of the day - shoulders pulled together, pain from that, they pulled together. You’ll knock over a hundred grams - and significantly easier. Adrenaline leads to increased testosterone - in combat you will see a woman - and it’s hard to resist. And the “Ksirovs” are the same people ... In short, I agree about the ban on alcohol; Iranians have such a ban. As for the fact that the Iranian military does not drink and do not sin during the hostilities, I do not believe it.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 15 December 2015 07: 06 New
    15
    Another dis State Department.
    1. atalef
      atalef 15 December 2015 08: 03 New
      -15
      Quote: aszzz888
      Another dis State Department.

      this is nidez. hi
      1. guard
        guard 15 December 2015 09: 20 New
        +5
        atalef (8) IL Today, 08: 03 ↑ New
        Quote: aszzz888
        Another dis State Department.
        this is nidez.

        Then most likely just a lie !!
        1. Vikings
          Vikings 15 December 2015 18: 21 New
          +1
          What the same thing!
  4. samarin1969
    samarin1969 15 December 2015 07: 07 New
    +2
    ... and at the same time, the enthusiasm about the “gas OPEC” subsided, As-Sisi bowed to Qatar and the Saudis ... it seems that differences arose over the goals of the war.
  5. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 December 2015 07: 08 New
    10
    So in our country and in BRICS, a split is planned,
    given the results of recent elections in
    some South American states.
    So everything is not easy ...
  6. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 15 December 2015 07: 13 New
    16
    Do not rush to believe Bloomberg, this organization is fed by the US CIA and says what the United States needs, and now it is necessary in every way to belittle the role of Russia in everything, and in operations in Syria.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 December 2015 07: 14 New
    +9
    All these statements by American "experts" are very similar to another attempt to discredit Russia's efforts in the fight against IS. Time will tell how things really are.
  8. Flinky
    Flinky 15 December 2015 07: 16 New
    +9
    Another jerk off Bloomberg. They’ve been doing these three years already, but it still doesn’t work.
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 15 December 2015 11: 58 New
      +3
      And as always, experts from the HSE managed to lick.
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  9. sergant1.1
    sergant1.1 15 December 2015 07: 19 New
    +2
    I don’t want to seem like a writer, but it seems like truth and justice there is no place left on the planet. "Grandmas" rule everything. ABSOLUTELY everyone. the Americans gathered such a kodlu around us, but we lose allies with an unenviable periodicity. Even if this article turns out to be untrue. like Shevchuk’s there: "good always shook her fists without fists"
    1. Doomph
      Doomph 15 December 2015 07: 56 New
      +6
      Russia has only two allies: the army and the navy. Did you not know?
      1. Doomph
        Doomph 16 December 2015 11: 37 New
        +1
        The rest are partners.
    2. Felix2
      Felix2 15 December 2015 08: 43 New
      +1
      It’s true, they told Iran that you are either trading in oil or fighting. They chose to trade, that’s all love, as they say.
      1. Apsit
        Apsit 15 December 2015 13: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Felix2
        They chose to trade

        Not long let them trade if we assume the worst outcome for Syria. Well, I hope for the best, pretty much stabs in the back.
      2. Pretoreanec
        Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 21: 20 New
        0
        Five points, Felix!
        This is exactly what I am trying to explain to the locals: until the people think about their EXTREMELY interests, they will be driven like a herd of sheep, and cut in the direction of travel (((
    3. hrapon
      hrapon 15 December 2015 08: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: sergant1.1
      I don’t want to seem like a writer, but it seems like truth and justice there is no place left on the planet. "Grandmas" rule everything. ABSOLUTELY everyone. the Americans gathered such a kodlu around us, but we lose allies with an unenviable periodicity. Even if this article turns out to be untrue. like Shevchuk’s there: "good always shook her fists without fists"



      And now what? Close your eyes, cover yourself with a blanket and dreamily think about sausage?

      Salvage taxis those who are ready to convert honor to sausage.

      Iran is unlikely to leave Syria. Interests are too great, which, incidentally, do not coincide in many respects with ours. They can change the "format" of their participation, but they will not leave of their own free will.

      Ours now need to train the Syrian military and form not separate units, but military units capable of conducting offensive operations as part of a regiment or brigade. Then a decisive advantage and tangible results can be achieved. We are not talking about operational level connections yet.

      PS I don’t understand what prompts these “writers” to publicly hang snot.
      1. Boos
        Boos 15 December 2015 09: 45 New
        +4
        And here is the "sausage" ... The West is fighting for geopolitical influence, and invests in the struggle money, which, incidentally, he himself prints. What can be opposed to this? We don’t have that much money ... Only an ideological army is capable of winning such a war as the Red one in due time. And an ideologically stable army is able to form an ideological state.
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 December 2015 07: 24 New
    +7
    Bloomberg is the one that brought down the oil markets by launching false information about the increase in quotas in OPEC! These guys don't care about reputation, everyone can. Let them write. It was high time for the Iranians to use the army, instead of the IRGC.
  11. Riv
    Riv 15 December 2015 07: 28 New
    +2
    When it "seems" - it is necessary to be baptized.
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 15 December 2015 07: 34 New
    +7
    Information outburst from Bloomberg .. Bring a split between Russia, Iran, Syria ... Bloomberg ..type in "authority" ...
  13. vitya1945
    vitya1945 15 December 2015 07: 38 New
    +1
    Americans agree with Iran.
    Not for cookies, soon sanctions will be lifted, Iranian oil and gas will go to Europe. (Own shirt closer to the body)
    Not by washing so katanem achieve the weakening of Russia.
    Unfortunately, there are no eternal alliances; they want to leave Russia alone in Syria.
    1. eugraphus
      eugraphus 15 December 2015 08: 00 New
      +6
      For oil and gas from Iran to go to Europe, transit territories are needed without military action. Therefore, Iran got involved in the conflict. To leave it means to surrender all that for which so much time has rested. A holy place is never empty. Look how all fussed after entering the war in Russia. Everyone wants to grab their piece. So most likely this is some kind of disinformation.
      1. atalef
        atalef 15 December 2015 08: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: eugraphus
        For oil and gas from Iran to go to Europe, transit territories are needed without military action. Therefore, Iran got involved in the conflict.

        Nothing between 1500 km of Iraq between Syria and Iran?
        Iran supplied oil all its life with tankers


        Quote: eugraphus
        To leave it means to surrender everything for which so much time has rested

        they rest against asada mk it is clear. the raising of al-Assad is the end of Hezbollah and in general any influence of Iran on BV
        1. eugraphus
          eugraphus 15 December 2015 15: 26 New
          0
          Undoubtedly, withdrawal from Syria will lead to a loss of influence. Assistance to Syria and assistance to Iraq in the long term will give the country's companies priority in oil projects. So it was with the overthrow of Saddam. At that time, Russia did not participate in the war, and our companies prettyly pressed out from Iraq. It is in the long term that Iran and Iraq can pull pipelines through Syria closer to Europe. But all this only after the victory over the IG. Qatar also carries gas in tankers, but wants a pipe. And also to Europe is not a passing light. So all interests are understandable, logical. But it’s unlikely to simply pick up and leave because of the death of even generals.
    2. Felix2
      Felix2 15 December 2015 08: 52 New
      +4
      I want to correct you, the sanctions against Iran are currently suspended and it should go on the market in spring, the tanker fleet, which is one of the largest in the world, is being put in order and announced yesterday that it was ready to trade oil below $ 30 per barrel.
  14. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 15 December 2015 07: 44 New
    0
    Lord is a diz laughing .information.
  15. Tanker55
    Tanker55 15 December 2015 07: 46 New
    +4
    Tongue without bones, just on the festive table.
    All life, work, etc. proceeds in a lie at these foreign. Sorry for them.
  16. bad
    bad 15 December 2015 07: 47 New
    +9
    news from the topic .. "I am the daughter of an Iranian general, and believe us it is not so simple .." .. mattresses can spread any rumors .. but the Russians, as you know, harness for a long time, but quickly "strain" laughing ... we won’t get off like the others .. we essentially didn’t start to fight at all .. so .. got out of hand .. and without coalitions we can handle it ... tea is not sewn with bast .. soldier
    1. Pretoreanec
      Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 23: 11 New
      +1
      I would even say rushing!)))
  17. pascal309
    pascal309 15 December 2015 07: 50 New
    +8
    In one interview, one brigadier general said that these were all rumors, no one was leaving anywhere. Yes, they died, the highest ranks and soldiers, but this is war. And they will remain until the end.
    1. atalef
      atalef 15 December 2015 08: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: pascal309
      In one interview, one brigadier general said that these were all rumors, no one was leaving anywhere. Yes, they died, the highest ranks and soldiers, but this is war. And they will remain until the end.

      can you reference?
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 15 December 2015 09: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        can you reference?

        Alexander, FARS responded to a Bloomberg article: http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940923000328
        it is true about advisers.
  18. 31rus
    31rus 15 December 2015 07: 55 New
    +8
    Dear, until there is evidence of Iran or Russia, I think this message is an informational throw-in (war), the number of IRGC generals who died in Syria, it is also surprising where this figure comes from, the Iranians themselves reported two dead generals, here is just the desire of the United States , Israel, etc., wishful thinking, but I have long had a question: why are we Russia not arming the SA with modern weapons?
    1. atalef
      atalef 15 December 2015 08: 05 New
      -5
      Quote: 31rus
      , here is just the desire of the USA, Israel, etc. to wish out what is desired

      You shouldn’t be so. Israel is not very sour. that Iran is fighting in Syria.
  19. Doomph
    Doomph 15 December 2015 07: 58 New
    +7
    The death of Iranian generals on the front line says only one thing - the quality of command and control. In our 41st, too, generals went on machine guns and tanks with a pistol. Thank God, we learned to fight later. But at what price!
    1. S_last
      S_last 15 December 2015 12: 47 New
      +1
      Please share the names of the generals who went to 41 tanks with pistols. I really want to study such facts in more detail, since I have never encountered such a thing. Thanks in advance.
      1. Chiropractor
        Chiropractor 15 December 2015 14: 57 New
        +1
        Surname Vlasov.
        I reached the tanks and further to the rear, to re-form ... smile

        But seriously, then any division commander in those days is a general, less often a colonel. How many divisions were in the boilers? Several division headquarters from the environment were taken out by air, yes. And the rest - broke through with what is, with pistols through the tanks ...
      2. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 15 December 2015 16: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: S_last
        Please share the names of the generals who went to 41 tanks with pistols.

        The difficult situation of the retreat often forced the generals to go about their business. There are cases when military leaders, instead of leading the battle from the command post, personally led the soldiers to attack and died on the battlefield. In the environment, many of them were under enemy fire and died, like ordinary soldiers. An example is the death of the commander of the Southwestern Front, Colonel General MP Kirponos and the chief of staff of the front, Major General V.I. Tupikov, who died in the tract Shumeykovo September 20, 1941.
        Several generals, once in the territory occupied by the enemy, continued to fight as part of partisan detachments. On December 10, 1941, the chief of the Bakhchisaray partisan region died, Major General D.I. Averkin, formerly commander of the 48th Cavalry Division. In June 1942 died in hand-to-hand combat Partisan detachment commander General N.V. Kornev (former chief of staff of the Air Force of the 20th Army of the Western Front). The commander of the 10th Panzer Division of the Southwestern Front, General S.Ya. Ogurtsov was captured in August 1941, and in April 1942 he escaped from captivity, fought in a partisan detachment and died in battle in October 1942.
        Combat losses of senior officers in the Great Patriotic War. Reasons for the loss of the Years from 1941 to 1945.
        1941 1942 1943 1944 1945
        Погибли в боях 48 41 40 37 16 182
        Умерли от ран 10 10 13 17 12 62
        Missing 11 2 2 - - 15
        Погибли в плену 3 6 6 5 3 23
        Shot to avoid captivity 1 3 - - - 4
        Подорвались на минах 0 1 2 6 — 9
        Died at the hands of saboteurs 1 - - - - 1
        Всего: 74 63 63 65 31 296
        http://liewar.ru/content/view/221 Отдали жизнь за Родину. О потерях советских генералов и адмиралов в годы Великой Отечественной войны.
  20. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 15 December 2015 08: 42 New
    +6
    The Syrian company with the participation of the Russian Federation is delayed, it is obvious! It’s not fast, even if you build capacity. Everything is decided on earth.
  21. Signal
    Signal 15 December 2015 08: 42 New
    0
    Iranian Foreign Ministry denied everything http://rusvesna.su/news/1450134131
    1. atalef
      atalef 15 December 2015 08: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Signal
      http://rusvesna.su/news/1450134131

      BATTLE LINK, CAN I give another?
      1. Signal
        Signal 15 December 2015 08: 50 New
        +9
        Not beaten. Scroll and open in a new tab. Works.

        Here is the content:

        A spokesman for the Iranian Foreign Ministry denied media reports claiming that Iranian military consultants working in Syria are leaving the country.

        “Military advisers to the Islamic Republic of Iran continue to be present in Syria to help the Syrian government in the war on terrorism,” he told FarsNews.

        A statement was made after Bloomberg News, citing US officials, reported that a significant number of soldiers from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps were removed from the war zone in recent weeks, after the death and wounds of some of the senior officers.

        Israeli media used this report as the basis for allegations that Iran is withdrawing its military from Syria.

        Also, reports about the death of the commander of the Iranian forces in Iraq and Syria, General Kassem Soleimani in the eastern province of Aleppo, were refuted.

        A FarsNews source in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps denied this information, stressing that "the brave commander is alive and well."

        “Such rumors were spread by terrorists because of the heavy blows they received from Syrian forces led by Iranian military advisers in different parts of Syria in the past two months. A key role in their defeats belongs to General Soleimani, ”he added.
        1. atalef
          atalef 15 December 2015 09: 16 New
          -9
          Quote: Signal
          Not beaten. Scroll and open in a new tab. Works.

          Here is the content:

          A spokesman for the Iranian Foreign Ministry denied media reports claiming that Iranian military consultants working in Syria are leaving the country.

          “Military advisers to the Islamic Republic of Iran continue to be present in Syria to help the Syrian government in the war on terrorism,” he told FarsNews.

          A statement was made after Bloomberg News, citing US officials, reported that a significant number of soldiers from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps were removed from the war zone in recent weeks, after the death and wounds of some of the senior officers.

          Israeli media used this report as the basis for allegations that Iran is withdrawing its military from Syria.

          Also, reports about the death of the commander of the Iranian forces in Iraq and Syria, General Kassem Soleimani in the eastern province of Aleppo, were refuted.

          A FarsNews source in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps denied this information, stressing that "the brave commander is alive and well."

          “Such rumors were spread by terrorists because of the heavy blows they received from Syrian forces led by Iranian military advisers in different parts of Syria in the past two months. A key role in their defeats belongs to General Soleimani, ”he added.

          Nor what did he refute? Bloomberg said that the advisers remain, withdraw the fighting units, just do not refute the statement about the deaths of the generals and injured Suleymani
          1. Gomel
            Gomel 16 December 2015 13: 06 New
            0
            denied the information background

            as it was said, a clear message is interpreted by bloggers and their opinion is already widely distributed under the guise of an official from the Bloomberg or the original news agency
      2. Vikings
        Vikings 15 December 2015 17: 08 New
        0
        You can see the site beguiled! Maps online are not here !!!
  22. Batia
    Batia 15 December 2015 09: 22 New
    +5
    I think this is a remote informational stuffing to impose this idea on Iran.
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    2. alexej123
      alexej123 15 December 2015 09: 38 New
      +5
      Maybe not an imposition, but an offer to trade? As we (according to the media) offered to exchange Syria and Ukraine.
  23. Alexl
    Alexl 15 December 2015 09: 25 New
    +3
    Liberastas wishful thinking.
  24. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 15 December 2015 09: 29 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    BATTLE LINK, CAN I give another?

    The link is working, it’s probably your hands are broken or something higher.
  25. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 15 December 2015 09: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: Doomph
    Russia has only two allies: the army and the navy. Did you not know?

    Three, what do you forget about aviation, it’s not the 19th century in the yard, and who is most friends in Syria?
  26. dEADj
    dEADj 15 December 2015 09: 39 New
    -2
    Probably they want to mutate the Turks, and they are doing a rotation.
  27. Signal
    Signal 15 December 2015 09: 42 New
    +3
    Nothing, break through, anyway!

  28. kirgudu
    kirgudu 15 December 2015 09: 52 New
    +1
    If so, then the Syrians will have a hard time. Our warriors say that the Assadians themselves are brainless. Run without helmets, rod on tanks in the forehead at ATGMs.
    Mostly Iranians and hezbollah rule the earth, and Assad forces are in the wings ..

    But most likely fake.
  29. Mera joota
    Mera joota 15 December 2015 09: 52 New
    +4
    If so, then Iran’s logical decision. They suffer heavy losses, losses in command personnel in general are beyond the reasonable, Iran itself confirms them. At the same time, Russia, which acts as an ally, agrees with Israel behind everyone and allows air strikes at Iran and Hezbollah targets. Hezbollah also suffers heavy losses, which frankly at the hands of Israel and the continuation of the war (with Assad’s passivity) leads to the depletion of forces and means.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 15 December 2015 11: 08 New
      +2
      These delusional propaganda fabrications were officially denied by the Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman, because even such losses by senior command personnel can not be compared to the loss of Syria and the cutting off of supplies through Syria and Iraq, Hesbollah. By the way, Iran does not hide its losses and never hid, on the contrary, he uses the fallen for propaganda purposes as well as it did during the bloody war with Iraq. The Europeans shivering over every loss are not understood by the Iranians, but they are really proud of the fallen and their number
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 December 2015 11: 41 New
      +3
      Answer: the coalition should be united, including the West, Russia, Iran and Turkey.
      Israel doesn’t need much - lest Iran send long-range missiles through Syria
      to Lebanon for Hezbollah. So far, this weapon is a kind of “payment” for Hezbollah for participation
      in the war in Syria. But, in principle, Hezbollah is fighting there for its survival. If IG and radical
      Sunnis will win in Syria, they will definitely go "to the sea" - they will seize Lebanon and destroy (physically)
      Hezbollah. Sheikh Nasrallah must get down from a tall tree of illusions: Israel is too tough for him anyway, Israel will not capture Lebanon (they have already tried), but the IS of his people will be cut into pieces.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 15 December 2015 12: 45 New
        +4
        Answer: the coalition should be united, including the West, Russia, Iran and Turkey.
        Dear, answer, what prevented the “great” Western coalition (60 from the countries we are reckless) at least something to be done from the igil? Time (almost 5 years), resources, weapons, everything they had. And in fact, donkeys and desert mirages were bombed, and they also created training manuals on shit varieties (moderate opposition).
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 15 December 2015 15: 42 New
          -4
          The Western coalition did not deal with Syria at all.

          And in Iraq, the Iraqi army and the Kurds with air support
          coalitions recaptured 2 large cities out of 5 held by the IG.
          And most oil fields.
          And now they are fighting off the 3rd city.
  30. rJIiOK
    rJIiOK 15 December 2015 10: 10 New
    +3
    In the 1940s, the "Coalition of One" in the person of the USSR did more to defeat Germany than dozens of other countries.
    So it is now, Russia, and together with Syria, can win the campaign, but, of course, this will require much more energy than in a larger composition.
  31. jaguarstas
    jaguarstas 15 December 2015 10: 38 New
    +9
    I found an article about Kurds. There Bashibuzuk = Kurd turns out

    One vs Fifteen

    The described case took place on the Caucasian front. The Cossack regiment mentioned in the note is the 2nd Chita Regiment of the 2nd Trans-Baikal Cossack Brigade. Commander of the regiment, in the text "military foreman V." - This is A.P. Vasiliev, the author of the famous historical three-volume "Transbaikal Cossacks." The hundred-hundredth commander, Poddesaul T., most likely this is Alexei Tokmakov (classmate G.M. Semenova).

    Note from the magazine Zarya, January 24, 1916

    A relatively young Transbaikal Cossacks honorably disputes primacy in matters of military valor among dashing Don people. During the current war, more than one hundred St. George cavaliers appeared in the Transbaikal regiments, who honestly deserved their honorary cross in battle.

    Here is how his hundredth commander, Poddesaul T: testifies to the exceptional feat of one of these heroes:

    “The departure of the Cossack regiment, under the command of Ensign A., was surrounded by Kurds. While the surrounded patrol was fighting the Kurds, the Cossacks Sozon Tynzhiev and Petr Loginov were behind, as their horses refused to go further from fatigue. The laggards were spotted by the Kurds. A group of about fifteen people separated from the Kurdish gang, rushing across to get to their Cossacks.

    In the unequal battle that occurred, Loginov was immediately killed, and Sozon Tynzhiev was left alone against fifteen fresh, not tired of either a long campaign or a battle of enemies. Seeing the hopelessness of his position, Tynzhiev lay behind a roadside stone, deciding to sell his life as expensive as possible. And the unprecedented shooting of the Kurds began: every bashbuzuk, who dared to approach the Cossack hero, with astonishing accuracy received another bullet in the forehead. Killing eleven Kurds, Tynzhiev let the twelfth go close to him, and suddenly pouncing on him, stabbed him with a saber, took the horse away from him, grabbed another horse along the way and rode off to the junction, where they also finished the case. The remaining three Kurds prudently set off, not daring to continue this "unequal" battle.

    The regiment commander, Army foreman V., introduced Sozon Tynzhiev to be awarded with the 4th degree Cross of St. George, made him an order and awarded 15 rubles, according to the number of Kurds killed by him. ”

    Cossack Sozon Tynzhiev comes from Siberian foreigners.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 15 December 2015 15: 34 New
      +1
      good story, but what’s it for?
    2. 97110
      97110 15 December 2015 15: 47 New
      0
      Quote: jaguarstas
      made him an order

      Interesting information, read well ... But what does the quoted “order” mean? The "officer" would do more. Or, in the Transbaikal Cossacks, the ranks were called in Transbaikalian. Since the heroes from foreigners.
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      2. saygon66
        saygon66 16 December 2015 07: 50 New
        +1
        - “Prikazny” - the Cossack rank corresponding to the “corporal” in the Army ... “Ochepyatka”, just ...
  32. Geolog
    Geolog 15 December 2015 11: 10 New
    +1
    Two oddities about Iran:
    1. Where do such losses of the generals come from, either they are purposefully hunting for them, or they don’t take care of themselves and climb fearlessly into battle;
    2. The withdrawal of troops itself, they are well aware that this will greatly complicate the position of our coalition - or they have even greater losses among the soldiers (they also climb fearlessly into battle).
    There is definitely no complete picture of what is happening, I hope our coalition is in control.
  33. cheap trick
    cheap trick 15 December 2015 11: 21 New
    -1
    hi everyone. here I am amazed at the guys your Russian naive soul! Erdogan came-friend, ass sisi rolled-up friend, the Saudis arrived-that's all, now we will blow gas with us and shale kapets, Kerry in Moscow, everything, warming, Iran in a coalition-friendship forever! can take off the pink glasses ??? Syria will be razdarbanina like Poland in antiquity, Iran received almost everything that he wanted, from Russia weapons, from America lifting of sanctions, Indians with the English constantly at meetings, exercises are constantly held, Vietnam refused to base, Cuba too, the briks burst, Venezuela and Argentina they look at America, they almost don't give a damn about Russia, he needs gas and oil, the Romanians and Moldovans are almost ready to strangle Transnistria, the Ukrainians, on the other hand, will then send NATO troops to Ukraine at the request of the legitimate president, Donbas Khan, and this can be seen already, and lastly, usa conducted a survey, 55 XNUMX% of the population for entering the ground forces in Syria, why Iran dumps them from there, together with the Kurds, the states take cancer, drive the bearded to Qatar and the Saud, then they hammer from all sides, haven't you heard about the Islamic coalition? and WATCH THE ROLLERS AS A CASPIAN FLOTILIA THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE WORLD SHOCKED AND AWAKE! WHO IN THE TOPIC THAT WILL UNDERSTAND, WHO IS NOT- AND NOT NEEDED! FLY .... yes I forgot, the Turks will still play with Russian airplanes. See, and the Moscow cruiser will accidentally go down. There are already a bunch of Turkish submarines! But as they take the crayfish, the Americans will be all over the world as peacekeepers and winners.
    1. Goga101
      Goga101 15 December 2015 12: 24 New
      0
      cheap trick - islamic coalition? Well, yes, well, yes ... at about the same as the coalition of the US - countries to figs, and there’s nobody to fight laughing A bunch of clowns, they and the Hussites in Yemen can not figure out where to go to Syria.
      US Cancer take? yeah, right now ... before Cancer they are now - in Afghanistan, the remaining Americans will soon just be cut out with knives, who after that will send the US infantry to Syria? Grandmother or something? Yes, he himself will soon be afraid to go out, not like sending soldiers somewhere wassat
      Will the cruiser be drowned? - Well, the dreams of the Ukrainian masturbator are straightforward ... do the Turks have special helmets from TNWs to drown our cruisers without fear?
      Donbas will take NATO? Well yes, yes yes - formidable estonia on three bantras; warriors will come and that’s it, Donbass will build himself laughing . NATO is a cardboard tiger, there is a lot of noise, a lot of money is left ... but there is no one to fight, well, unless the newly adopted Montenegrins take up the matter, then - yes, the Russian army can’t cope with them fellow
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 15 December 2015 16: 18 New
        0
        Seriously, NATO has only one real army - this is the army of Turkey. Only it is ready for a real war, and not for a punitive campaign against the Papuans over three seas
      2. cheap trick
        cheap trick 15 December 2015 16: 25 New
        +1
        I understand you gog. See such a post wanted a greater result than 0?
  34. Belousov
    Belousov 15 December 2015 11: 23 New
    +2
    Believe Bloomberg - not respect yourself. This is how our liberals stated during the truckers ’campaigns that almost a revolution is already on Red Square.
    1. cheap trick
      cheap trick 16 December 2015 21: 53 New
      -1
      Bloomberg called Ukraine the poorest country in the world /

      But is Bloomberg lying too?
  35. Alexandr-NVR
    Alexandr-NVR 15 December 2015 11: 38 New
    +2
    Tehran denies disagreements with Russia over Syria
    http://www.iran.ru/news/politics/99566/Tegeran_oprovergaet_nalichie_raznoglasiy_
    s_Rossiey_po_Sirii
  36. aviator1913
    aviator1913 15 December 2015 11: 41 New
    +2
    Most likely, Iran will begin to reduce its presence in Syria. And there are several reasons for this:
    1. Sanctions, Iran needs to intensively prepare for the return to the oil and gas markets, the presence of a constant sore point in Syria, is very inappropriate here.

    2. Disappointment. Assad’s army, even with the support of Iran and the Russian air forces, cannot destroy the gangs and Sunni groups. There are progress, of course, but they are not so big, the calculation was more successful.

    3. The adoption of Sunni Syria. Iran and the SAA will not be able to capture and unite the whole of Syria, everyone is preparing for its division into three states: the Coastal Alavite-Yazidi-Lebanon, Kurdish, and Sunite-Syrian. And this can only be overcome by arranging genocide, for which none of the warring parties except Daesh is ready. The Saudis and the Qatari are likely to be the guarantors of the existence of such a Sunni Syria, for which they will allocate funds, will support diplomatically and the government of which they will create, coupled with the leaders of the local Sunni tribes and groups fighting against Assad. Daesh is likely to be pushed back to Iraq, where it will be gradually destroyed if the Shiite Iraqi government shares powers with the Sunnis from the former government of Hussein.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 15 December 2015 16: 26 New
      +2
      This is a Western propaganda that supposedly Sunni Syria is fighting against non-Sunni. In fact, even the current Syrian army is 60 percent Sunni, the Syrian clergy support Syria’s power, Assad’s wife is a Sunni, and Kurds are also mostly Sunnis. In Syria, there is a war between secular socialist authorities ( Baathists) and Islamists of all stripes (from al-Qaeda to ISIS). Moreover, the backbone of the Islamists is foreigners, one of the reasons why, despite all the efforts, they can’t show the mug from the moderate Sunni opposition to the Syrian nation. anal
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 15 December 2015 16: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: Pissarro
        In fact, even the current Syrian army is 60 percent Sunni, the Syrian clergy of Syria support the government, Assad's Sunni wife

        Bashar al-Assad: I will never be Yanukovych! I will stay here until the end!
  37. Foxbed
    Foxbed 15 December 2015 11: 43 New
    +2
    Everything will be fine! yes
  38. sa-ag
    sa-ag 15 December 2015 12: 13 New
    +1
    "... And this is beneficial to Iran, which has come out of sanctions"

    Maybe the thing is to regain its share in the oil market, for the Iranian economy it is much more important, is the lifting of sanctions?
    1. aviator1913
      aviator1913 15 December 2015 12: 16 New
      +2
      There 100 billion $ hung on the accounts. Oil still needs to be sold, but here the loot is already ready. (by the way, Israel is against the unfreezing of accounts, since according to the Mossad, most of these funds will go to Hezbollah and her friends)
  39. Victor-M
    Victor-M 15 December 2015 13: 03 New
    +2
    Saudi Arabia is creating a new coalition to fight terrorism, it includes states such as Pakistan, the United States, Qatar, Turkey, ISIS and other countries in the Middle East and North Africa.
  40. veksha50
    veksha50 15 December 2015 13: 17 New
    +3
    "many officers were killed or wounded in the fall in heavy battles"...

    And this once again proves that they are fighting in good conscience ...

    However, the losses among high-ranking general officers are unreasonably large, let alone the lieutenants ...

    Suggests the idea of ​​a deliberate hunt for officers ... And the routes of movement or the places of stay of the generals are easy to track with the help of spy-scout moles, etc. The East is an insidious matter, it’s very difficult to say that a fighting friend is next to you, and not the one who can shoot you in the back ...
  41. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 15 December 2015 13: 28 New
    +1
    Iran to abandon Syria is to step on its throat. It will not be this.
  42. Severjanin
    Severjanin 15 December 2015 13: 32 New
    0
    Trust the bloomberg? Well, no. You would have seriously asked the psaki to listen.
  43. Ivo
    Ivo 15 December 2015 13: 32 New
    0
    In any case, the Iranians refute this:

    The Islamic Republic of Iran's military advisors will continue presence in Syria to help the Syrian government with the war on terrorism, "an informed official told FNA on Monday.

    His remarks came after Bloomberg news channel quoted US officials as claiming that they are seeing significant numbers of Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps troops retreat from the Syrian combat zone in recent weeks, following the deaths and wounding of some of top officers in a campaign against militant forces supported by the West and Persian Gulf Arab States.


    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940923000328
  44. Radikal
    Radikal 15 December 2015 13: 44 New
    0
    Again, the people deepened in particular - Iranian generals walk with a pistol along the front line, or in an attack on a vorog, etc. and the like ...., and what prevents such an option from being considered - Iran, to put it mildly, does not understand the actions of Russia to attract Western countries to the anti-Ghilean coalition, including the start of aviation support and the provision of military-technical assistance to the so-called Free Syrian Army?
  45. Tektor
    Tektor 15 December 2015 14: 33 New
    +1
    If the Iranians leave, and Assad eventually persists, then this is only at hand for us. The situation will be simplified, because Iranians have religious interests somewhat different from the Alawite.
  46. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 15 December 2015 14: 38 New
    0
    What are the generals doing at the forefront?
    If eight generals were killed, then the lieutenants of the dead do not have a number? Are they just soldiers / privates? How many of them were killed on the battlefield?
    Or are saboteurs of the IG cutting off the enemy’s command personnel at night, like sheep?
    1. iouris
      iouris 15 December 2015 14: 53 New
      +1
      It is possible that the Turks, Qatars, Saudis, Americans and the British also "work": special forces.
      1. capitosha1rang
        capitosha1rang 15 December 2015 15: 25 New
        +1
        Here I am about the same.
        During the 1941-45 years of the most fierce (so far) war in the history of mankind, the combat losses of the "generals" amounted to 162 people. A third of them are in the first year of the war, which, of course, is associated with the environment, retreat and "work" of saboteurs.
        Ground operations in Syria and the battles of the Great Patriotic War are not even comparable. So why such a loss of generality?
        That is the question.
        1. 97110
          97110 15 December 2015 15: 56 New
          0
          Quote: capitosha1rang
          So why such a loss of generality?

          The answer is in the density of generals per linear meter of front or square meter of territory.
  47. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 15 December 2015 14: 39 New
    0
    Russia's work in this direction should not depend on Iran in any way. We carry out our task and our mission. And let all these Western and Middle Eastern supporters of terrorists create at least a million coalitions there. Russia has done a great job in Syria, and now it’s just necessary to continue it and to accomplish the task begun. Nobody can do it except us. The whole gang led by the USA will not do anything good there. And we should not be embarrassed when looking at Iran. He didn’t do weather. We were always alone, this is our cross and we always won .
  48. Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 15 December 2015 14: 59 New
    +4
    With your permission, a couple of thoughts from a Muslim Shiite.
    First, Iran has nowhere to retreat (by the way, Russia eats where necessary)
    Secondly, Syria has at least two shrines, the tombs of the Prophet’s granddaughter and great-granddaughter, if they fall into the hands of Wahhabis Satanists, then 100% will be destroyed and the Shiites will not forgive their leaders. (Those who are a little familiar with Shiism will understand what this is about)
    And finally, the most incomprehensible thing for Shiites ... Israel at least twice bombed Hezbollah in Syria and Russia did not say anything, but Israel bombed an ally, by the way that ally, the soldiers saved the second pilot.
    1. Hello
      Hello 15 December 2015 15: 19 New
      -1
      Quote: Otshelnik
      And finally, the most incomprehensible thing for Shiites ... Israel at least twice bombed Hezbollah in Syria and Russia did not say anything, but Israel bombed an ally, by the way that ally, the soldiers saved the second pilot.

      Let me ask you, as a Shiite, what Iran cares about Israel? So out of sports interest.
      I understand that Israel to everyone in the Middle East is like a bone in the throat by the very fact of existence, but specifically for Iran, what? Or, besides religious mantras, there is nothing about the big and small Satan? By the way, I would not speak in your place for all Shiites, for example, Shiites of Azerbaijan treat Israel rather warmly.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 15 December 2015 16: 34 New
        +3
        Good question, can you share, what is the matter of Israel to Iran? All these constantly developed plans of Iran to bomb or poison somebody against Iran, no matter who anyway make Iran a problem
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 15 December 2015 16: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Pissarro
          Good question, can you share, what is the matter of Israel to Iran? All these constantly developed plans of Iran to bomb or poison somebody against Iran, no matter who anyway make Iran a problem

          The farther I look at this situation, the more it seems that Israel just needs a war and terrorism around it gives it just pleasure to watch how different fanatics and bandit groups flourish around it.
          Again, while the war around Israel is much more convenient for him to beg for money and discounts on weapons from around the world, and apparently this is his goal to "beg" more so that he would then hide more in his pocket.
          And of course, his eternal "cries" - help, guard smile the anti-Semites surrounding me sound much more convincing.
        2. Hello
          Hello 15 December 2015 18: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Pissarro
          Good question, can you share, what is the matter of Israel to Iran? All these constantly developed plans of Iran to bomb or poison somebody against Iran, no matter who anyway make Iran a problem

          Hmm, this is all fine, but it all started with the rhetoric of some comrades in Iran who promised to destroy Israel 10 times a month. And how would you like us to react?
      2. Otshelnik
        Otshelnik 15 December 2015 16: 45 New
        0
        Ilya, believe me, I know better about the attitude of Shiites towards you) By the way, this does not apply to all Jews, only to Zionists.
        1. Hello
          Hello 15 December 2015 19: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Otshelnik
          Ilya, believe me, I know better about the attitude of Shiites towards you) By the way, this does not apply to all Jews, only to Zionists.

          All Israelis who wish to live in Israel are Zionists or descendants of the Zionists. So let’s do without this eternal excuse, they say Jews are not bad people, but the Zionists don’t let the damned live. wink
          You better tell me where such a hatred of atoyalls against Israel? Or is it such a red rag for the Persians, or they will not think that the Islamic revolution was in vain. Tell that Israel also has the right to exist, so some will think why the Shah was to overthrow and so they were friends with Israel. hi
          1. cheap trick
            cheap trick 16 December 2015 00: 20 New
            +1
            but is there a normal site without idiots? they just look at the flag and draw conclusions. even without reading.
    2. garnik64
      garnik64 15 December 2015 16: 10 New
      +1
      Good afternoon. I am a Turkmen Armenian, agree with the thoughts of the \ hermit \, although our peoples are on different sides of the barricades / Unfortunately, not all people agree with the \ hermit \, of which he is a representative. Dozens of them die for Wahhabis, and the second after Kazakhstan sponsor Isils among the CIS countries.
      1. Otshelnik
        Otshelnik 15 December 2015 16: 36 New
        +2
        I don’t mind if all “our” Wahhabis die there ...
        And as for sponsorship, you are mistaken, the Saudis and Cathars supply money to these creatures.
    3. cheap trick
      cheap trick 16 December 2015 00: 09 New
      +1
      because Russia, if possible, has already betrayed all who could be betrayed! soon and asad will merge. for several months.
  49. -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 15 December 2015 15: 46 New
    +1
    or maybe in Iran they know something that we don’t know.
    for example, in Iraq, maybe the mess will begin now, that Iran will no longer be in Syria.
  50. potalevl
    potalevl 15 December 2015 15: 58 New
    +1
    Today, in the fight against ISIS, Russia has only two real allies: the Syrian government and the Iranian one. The Iraqi government, although formally included in the Russia-Syria-Iran coalition, is actually under the control of the United States and will act as its overseas partners indicate. Relations between Russia and Iran today are more than friendly. This includes Russia's assistance in resolving Iran’s nuclear problems and preparations for joining the SCO. In addition, do not forget that Iran was the first to recognize Soviet Russia, and in the agreement between the RSFSR and Iran dated 26.02.1921 it was noted that Russia has the right to send troops into the territory of this country without agreement with the Iranian government, if Iran will not be able to cope with an external threat on its own. This agreement is valid to the present. This alone speaks volumes. Today, the result of the fight against ISIS and their partner with Turkey will largely depend on how quickly Iranian Kurds, together with the PKK, work to create an alliance with Iraqi and Syrian Kurds to fight Turks and other bandits. And about the flight of the Iranian military from Syria, it’s just the wishlist of our sworn friends from the Western coalition, who for two years can’t cope with either Assad or the ISIS bandits. Something like this.