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Pavel Dremov. Another bucket of problems and lies

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The fact of what happened on the road Pervomaisk - Stakhanov hardly surprised anyone. After the execution of the cerebral motorcade, one does not have to be Vanga to predict that such a thing would happen to Dremov sooner or later. Many predicted, quite openly. I can not say that they nakakali, everything is natural.




However, a lot of questions arise.

We will begin, however, with the versions according to the “who benefits” plan, as we have already done it more than once. And we venture to clarify the picture. So, first about the versions of what happened.

Versions that will now be heard.

1. Action Ukrainian RDG.

Naturally, it has already been voiced by official sources. It is clear that it cannot withstand any criticism, since this elusive but effective RDG with amazing clarity destroys the most charismatic militia leaders. And, by a strange coincidence, consisting, if not in direct opposition to the existing regime in the LC, then not from frankly loyal.

2. Personal revenge of someone close. Or "order", filled with the hands of "their".

Under the "approximate" refers to the inner circle Dremova. There is no doubt that, as in the case of Mozgov, there are those involved from the closest environment. You can yell a lot about the fact that the Cossacks have honor and conscience in place, but someone could put VU into the ataman’s personal car?

Of course, if Dremov threw his car in the central square of Stakhanov open for the night, then there were no questions. Any fool could carry out his plans. This, of course, is nonsense. But only a person who was not suspicious of the guard could do this. But to this we will return a little lower.

3. Accidental explosion of ammunition through the fault of Dremov himself.

Already also voiced. And the depth of idiocy voiced strikes. Yes, there is nothing better than having fun on the second day of the celebration in a car with a grenade. Well this is a favorite play of the Cossacks!

4. "The hand of the Kremlin".

Also discuss with might and main. There are both pros and cons.

In order to clearly place the points and emphasize priorities, we decided to draw our scheme of what happened, based on both personal knowledge and information obtained from there.

Let's start with the fact that the wedding of Dremov took place on December 5 in St. Petersburg. Ataman is a thorough man and acted according to the law. That is, registered where it is legally binding. But not to “cover the clearing” for one’s own people is not Cossack-like. And an additional celebration was scheduled already in the LC.

We emphasize the fact that the time for preparation was the car.
It is not hard to believe that VL was laid on one of those days that Dremov was in St. Petersburg. Regardless of whether he drove her to Peter, or the car remained in Stakhanov. Exposure time too long, likely to be detected.

And the fact that the slave was laid, most likely, on the first day of the festivities, this is most likely. For the work facilitates the natural mess accompanying such events. And even more so, "feast by the mountain" for the whole regiment and invited guests. They didn’t bring it, they forgot it, they didn’t meet anyone and didn’t do it, and so on. Turmoil and movements abound.

We believe that the slave was planted by one of the invited guests. The likelihood that this was done by the Cossacks is small. But not swept aside. The "sleeping cat" could well have taken place among the Cossacks of the regiment.

The location of the VU under the passenger seat, where Dremov should sit. Duplicate fuse. Timer and radio. What worked, just do not say, just do not know whether there were escort vehicles. Most likely they were. Well, not taken in the LC without a guard ride. Times are not the same. Although, as practice shows, and security is not an assistant often. So the explosion control could occur both from the roadside ditch, and from the car in the tuple.

Although the terrorist option is quite suitable. It means VU with a phone-fuse. The investigation may find the remains of the mobile in the car. Or maybe not find it. Or find, but will not say. But in any case, some kind of external control unit will be found.

Very well chosen location of the explosion. Almost in the middle between Pervomaisk and Stakhanov (Irmino). This allows you to cut off possible medical care, and the time to leave the observer car. The place seems to be absolutely open, but the forest belt to the right of the road (200 m) and the forest trail to the left (150 m) allow one to secretly place an observer. And the waste options are just a wagon.

We are confident that on Monday the Ministry of State Security of the LC will find any confirmation of the work of RDG IEDs. But all this is nonsense. Just because there was no control explosion or shelling. So the troops do not work. We already sorted an example of regular working off. This is Brainstorming. And here it is more like the way it is taken to “understand” in the criminal sphere.

More likely, by the way, to the explosions in Donetsk, when Assistant Pushilina died first, and then Secretary Zakharchenko was injured.

The most important thing. Causes of destruction.

1. Someone at the highest levels was very tired of dealing with Dremov, the results of cooperation in the sale of coal.

It is likely version. Dremov saddled a very peculiar area in terms of coal mining and transportation. And if you dig up the events of a year and a half ago, then Brainstorm cursed with the Cossacks on a coal theme. Yes, and from other commanders often "flew."

Cossacks in the open accused of trading in coal. But then it somehow subsided, apparently agreed, found common denominators and everything calmed down. However, this does not mean that they stopped trading and protecting themselves. Coal is the bread of Donbass, and from time immemorial (from Kuchma) who sat on the corner, he sat comfortably.

It is a viable version.

2. Before the start of active hostilities, you need to remove those who can really resist the APU. Or really can withstand the authorities who do not want to resist the APU.

Here in the heap are two our opinions, the essence of which boils down to one. Indeed, Dremov is the last of those Mohicans who could say to the authorities "go to, to, and on, we will stand to the last." And be a role model for the rest. More candidates from among the field commanders, we do not observe, to be honest.

Yes, the regiment in 1200 man is not God knows what unit in today's reality. But the Brain was removed when a man remained in the battalion size from the brigade at 2500. And then the regiment ...

In general, if we consider the version of the battle against those who will intervene against the "word" - quite to themselves.

3. Eliminate the Cossacks as a disturbing factor. Yes, a lot of claims to the Cossacks. And the option is possible, when left without a clearly defined leader, the Cossacks will begin to be willful following the pattern of the past year. And this will be a pretext for the elimination of the Cossacks in the LC. That in today's reality is not so difficult to perform. The Scenario is DEFENSE "Odessa", and in a month nobody will remember about some 6 regiment of the militia.

Output.

The murder of Dremov is natural and predictable. The LC, like the DPR, is being prepared for military defeat from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Either to some yet unknown agreement, when LDNR will remain part of Ukraine on some conditions. Exactly. Republic must remain part of Ukraine. And radical field commanders will not allow this.

Alas, but this is a matter with more tingling than killing the Brain. And the resonance will be more serious. It is not known yet who will be at the head of the regiment now, but possible clashes tomorrow between the army of LC and the Cossacks will be natural. So, and the elimination of the Cossacks as a fighting force in the LC.
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  1. The black
    The black 14 December 2015 07: 33
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    Are there really people who believe that the weak Ukrainian intelligence services could have done this? It is absolutely obvious that this is an internal showdown and redistribution of spheres of influence, the same as with Batman. Who is behind this - in my opinion it is obvious to whom Dremov most of all interfered and was a bone in his throat - absolutely everyone knows.
    1. Riv
      Riv 14 December 2015 07: 53
      0
      Yes, the grandmother was not divided, who would doubt it?
      1. fraer
        fraer 14 December 2015 08: 20
        +2
        Version from Hodos.
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 14 December 2015 11: 13
      +3
      Are there really people who believe that the weak Ukrainian intelligence services could have done this?
      I'm afraid you are greatly mistaken about the infirmity of the special forces brutally.
      1. Cyclone
        Cyclone 20 December 2015 08: 55
        0
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRV7ShdS5Z8
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 14 December 2015 14: 17
      +3
      Yeah. After Dremov’s wedding on December 5 in St. Petersburg (???), the guys lost their vigilance already in the LPR celebrating the event. And, already, there were many sorts of people eager for his murder. Who would not know? It is unfortunate that he was a real man.
  2. 717
    717 14 December 2015 08: 01
    -3
    nothing personal, just business .. all this was "laid" since the time of the "rifle campaign" in Ukraine. now the Makhnovists are being killed.
  3. igorra
    igorra 14 December 2015 08: 13
    -15 qualifying.
    Putin said that he needed all of Ukraine, not pieces, so think. We can all argue, but in the dimensions of our cell, someone in two or three, but only Putin and few see the whole field with him.
    PS And who said that the 64th field is cellular, not 100 or 2000. Without all the information, what is the use of guessing or just talking to hunt?
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 December 2015 08: 27
      +3
      That's just for this hefty minus
      Not owning all the information
      some also know how to think. When the move e2-e4 is made in a chess game, it is difficult to predict the result. But soon two years later, as the Russian Crimea and the results of this party are more and more obvious ...
      1. igorra
        igorra 14 December 2015 11: 09
        -2
        And what is Putin sharing with you with your plans? Sorry did not know. The CIA cannot calculate its steps, but here you are an eyewitness with possession of all the information on the actions of our leadership.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 14 December 2015 14: 44
          +4
          The CIA can't count his steps,
          Have you been reported to the CIA about what they think?
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 15 December 2015 16: 06
        0
        Quote: Gardamir
        When the move e2-e4 is made in a chess game

        If you are not in the know, then the main moves have long been analyzed for 10-15 moves ahead and chess players do them without thinking.
        And if you did not learn the theory, then you will be put a mat in three moves
    2. avt
      avt 14 December 2015 10: 41
      +2
      Quote: igorra
      Putin said he needs all of Ukraine, not pieces

      To whom he said and when Do not confuse Kedmi with Jacob for an hour? That one, at the very beginning, said that Putin needed all of Ukraine. And Putin during the Crimean times said that we should not forget about the East of Ukraine as the former NEW RUSSIA. What is absolutely true - look for and find out how economically the enterprises of Donbass, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov are tied.
      Quote: Fotoceva62
      Now about money, think of what "bedside table" atamans take funds for the maintenance of their rather large units?

      Well, at the beginning of the glorious deeds, they also posted a video where the Kozitsinsky right at the rally near the district administration building said, “Tithe for defense. And how did you want? "So sooner or later, but the" spin "system had to give way to a stronger player who, in fact, would give state status to its formations, which were not formalized according to concepts, but quite civilly as government bodies, but the guard patriots on the wave of revolutionary romance of the first difficult days will sing once again the song “Putinslil.” This is actually the verse of the song
      Output.

      The murder of Dremov is natural and predictable. The LC, like the DPR, is being prepared for military defeat from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Either to some yet unknown agreement, when LDNR will remain part of Ukraine on some conditions. Exactly. Republic must remain part of Ukraine. And radical field commanders will not allow this.
      And in fact, it is not the "Ukrainization" of Lugansk that is going on, but the "Cossackia" in a separate region around Stakhanov, according to notions, did not go by. and the owners of enterprises threatening a new redistribution of property, like Mozgovoy in Alchevsk itself, so in this situation it was necessary to wait for what would arrive from any of the 360 ​​degrees. The revolution is tough - the fate of Kotovsky remember the one killed by your deputy on the rear, in whose brothel he was still he was hiding in Odessa as a raider.
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 14 December 2015 13: 58
      0
      Everything is correct. Russia does not need something in the form of a "Baltic" on the territory of the Outskirts, we need Ukraine as a whole, as a good neighbor, albeit a federal one.
    5. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 14 December 2015 23: 05
      +1
      Where did he say that?
  4. free
    free 14 December 2015 08: 14
    +1
    yeah, gee.
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  7. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 December 2015 08: 35
    +4
    A sad theater, a booth, that's what the whole liberation struggle was reduced to.

    Dolls are pulled by strings
    They have smiles on their faces
    And the clown plays the trumpet.
    And in the process of introducing
    It creates an impression
    That dolls dance on their own.
  8. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 14 December 2015 09: 02
    -9
    Who killed so far is not clear, only one thing is clear, that the times of the Makhnovshchina end and glory be to God. The spirit of New Russia is also not necessary, when the soul of the “wild field” and dirty grandmothers are mixed with the wind of Freedom, this speaks volumes ...
    Now about money, think of what "bedside table" atamans take funds for the maintenance of their rather large units? We don’t need to speak about the help of volunteers, this is not an option. They get money from some influential force or ride a resource stream (coal, robbery of the population, roofing, etc.). Consequently, chieftains are a force of poorly managed and poorly predictable. Draw your own conclusions. Remember the civil war of 1918-1921.
    Regarding Khodos, this shot, according to the old Jewish habit, considers everyone to be idiots, well, yes it's his own business ...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 December 2015 09: 26
      +3
      Makhnovshchina times end
      how many people need to be killed so that the times of Makhnovism end ?. Why not Donetsk. nor Lugansk, did not create normal, working state formations, where the law would be. And if you broke the law. then answer ...
      1. Alexl
        Alexl 14 December 2015 09: 41
        +1
        Quote: Gardamir
        Why not Donetsk. nor Lugansk, did not create normal, working state formations, where the law would be. And if you broke the law. then answer ...

        Because initially they had no plan or organization. More precisely, both were local PR leaders, but after they merged at the last moment, they had to do everything anew.
      2. avt
        avt 14 December 2015 10: 55
        +7
        Quote: Gardamir
        how many people need to be killed so that the times of Makhnovism end ?.

        Dig into the history of the Civil War and find a lot of interesting things about the same Makhno with the award of the Order of the Red Banner, the crossing of the Sivash and the elimination of his formations. So everything new is well forgotten old. No one needs a walk in the field, even in a romantic attire in hats, because “squeezing” from “raiding” “businessmen” is no different and is successful only when there is something left to squeeze out, and on a narrow strip of the LPR, Two birds no place alone "- as the late Lebed said, only now the Kremlin will support the living and begin to be successful.
        . It is not known yet who will now become the head of the regiment, but possible clashes between the LPR army and the Cossacks tomorrow will be natural.
        Let's see, but as practice has shown since the days of "Batman", not to mention Strelkov / Girkin, who jumped off the bandwagon in time - "The detachment did not notice the loss of a soldier and" Yablochko "finished the song." It all depends on how much the buildings are actually built. regular ... police in the LDNR. If really - no one will twitch. It is a pity of course Dremov and Mozgovoy, but nobody canceled the laws of revolution, and the payment for not understanding them is quite bloody, or pan, or disappeared.
  9. Averias
    Averias 14 December 2015 09: 09
    +3
    It is difficult to draw any conclusions and inferences here, since no one possesses information in the required volume. But, if you trace the chain of deaths, then this is already alarming. I also have doubts about the DRG APU version. But again, if there are "sober" heads left in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then it will not be too difficult to arrange everything as if it were a criminal showdown. The only surprise is that this DRG is already very elusive, some kind of mysticism. All the same, it looks more like eliminating the unwanted. And the reason, coal or power is already a consequence. One thing is for sure, what is happening does not bode well.

    PS Although, one cannot exclude the fact that this is their work. Those with whom coal was sold (if any). After all, the money is not frail.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 14 December 2015 09: 34
      +4
      Quote: Averias
      It is difficult to draw any conclusions and conclusions, since no one owns the information in the right amount.

      And you can just look into history, with Makhno, at first they also fought together against the whites, and then they finished him, does it remind you of anything? Here direct analogies are certainly inappropriate, but some kind of template is visible, and all sorts of thoughts other than the "general line of the party" appear, and everything happens in the LPR, and in the neighboring DPR, this is not observed, it is also very interesting.
    2. Belarus
      Belarus 14 December 2015 09: 59
      +6
      I completely agree with you, all the high-profile killings are attributed to the DRG of Ukraine. Batman was killed after he wanted to run for the head of the LPR (there is a video about trying to go to the polls and the consequences when trying to register), the mayor Ishchenko was killed after he angrily talked about the head of the LPR and helping real victims (there’s a video) like he accidentally came under fire and was shot by the DRG, Mozgovoy was killed not from the flunk bay, and Dremov was known for not putting up with that mess in the Republic of L. similar and very strange.
      But it is obvious that everything points to the one who leads the republic. And at least I think that eliminating the well-known field commanders in the impudent chapter L is not to face. Most likely there are P enemies in the leadership and stick sticks in his wheels.
      In short, questions, questions, and not only here, but I think the Cossacks and not only. And what does this mean? Here I am about the same thing, something will not be good.
      1. tegezen
        tegezen 14 December 2015 16: 13
        +1
        There are no field commanders in the army, and there are no authoritative chieftains, but there is a vertical, charters, and subordination. Dremov last, his kingdom of heaven. LC is focusing.
  10. Alexl
    Alexl 14 December 2015 09: 38
    0
    The conclusion is clearly drawn taking into account the fact that the versions are laid out equally plausible.
  11. Belarus
    Belarus 14 December 2015 09: 46
    +3
    Someone here is talking about Makhnovism, okay suppose so, but if so, then we must act according to the law а not like in the 90s. Based on eyewitness accounts that little is left of the car ( the door was torn off and the roof was arched from the inside, the driver was simply thrown out of the car), then they take doubts about the Ukrainian ubiquitous and invisible drg that planted the bomb and no one noticed it (and the bomb apparently is not small). This is my opinion that there is anarchy and what can follow from this.
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  13. VadimSt
    VadimSt 14 December 2015 10: 12
    +1
    Quote: Black
    Are there really people who believe that the weak Ukrainian intelligence services could have done this?
    Only an amateur can say this! You do not want to say that the FSB is weak? The staff of the SBU consists of professionals, not boys from the Maidan. Global purges, as in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, have never been there, and the professional and technical level has not declined!
    You can object by giving an example of the professionalism of the general staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so Vlasov, for example, went through one "school" with Zhukov, and it was not the Wehrmacht army that broke his will to fight, but the system.
    Quote: fraer
    Yes, there was real Makhnovism, but not in the form that we are presented with in the form of murder, robbery, anarchy. There was power. The power of the people.
    Somewhere "there" ... maybe it was, but in our city, the "joy" from such a people's power disappeared within several months of 2014. Everyone sincerely supported and support the militia (how it became a Cossack, a separate topic for those who write), which did not mean automatic support for all the tricks of the Cossack elite, including the anti-Russian rhetoric of Dremov himself.
    For some, the Cossack Republic may be "nicer" than for the inhabitants of the LPR region, so why are some of them unwilling to carry out these experiments in Russia, under the leadership of Ataman Kozitsin!
    You do not need to idealize everything by scooping up information exclusively from the media!

    As for the versions, in the parallel branch I put my
    I respect the opinion of Kassad, but it is necessary to consider not only the "internal political" versions, but all, the more not unfounded. Here is one of them.
    Knowing the desire of some "leaders" to show anyone "who is the boss", and even more so if this "anyone" turns out to be the owner of a cool car, it is easy to calculate everything in advance and work professionally, which the Ukrainian security service most likely demonstrated.

    1. The car appeared at Borshchevsky quite recently. A car with Ukrainian license plates and an infallible appearance. Where did he get it, didn't he buy it in the salon? Knowing in which case the car will certainly be "wrung out", it only remained to "equip" it and substitute it for "hitting and spinning". For example, the former Stakhanov philanthropist Shakhov could have paid money for a car for the operation.
    2. Further, the logic of the change of ownership was simple and calmly could be calculated based on the moment, psychology and other moral and ethical gadgets - Best friend, commander, wedding and so on. But, the fact of the change of ownership was easily predictable in advance.
    3. As soon as the logic chain is closed, the radio fuse circuit is also closed. The explosion occurred in the lowland formed by the riverbed. Luhanka (separating the cities Teplogorsk and Pervomaisk) along which the neutral zone has a maximum of one hour in any direction. The route of movement predicted by 90%, Pasha's Cossacks control the Kalinov-Pervomaisk-Zolotoye area, it is easy to fix his presence in the car, as the height difference is large, especially since he went out to his soldiers in front of the bridge.

    At the same time, the goals and objectives justify themselves in the triple - remove Dremov (authoritative and independent), sow distrust among the Cossacks (mine inside the car), transfer the arrows to the LPR leadership (long-standing graters). True, it’s easier for many to shout to Plotnitsky or Zakharchenko, it’s understandable - you can’t count on more, sitting hundreds of kilometers away, with the logic of the average person and knowledge of the situation from the media!
    1. fraer
      fraer 14 December 2015 10: 52
      +2
      Quote: VadimSt
      You do not need to idealize everything by scooping up information exclusively from the media!

      But I do not draw information from the media. All media are dependent, so I have no faith in them. From independent sources, taking into account my worldview.
      I'm not even interested in how this happened. This is a particular. I am interested in the reason.
      And I found out the reason from the video. People’s rule, so far only an attempt, not quite framed. But still an attempt. And whatever you say about the tricks of the Cossacks, these are particulars that can be explained. People’s rule, this is the reason for the death of Dremov and Brain.
      1. VadimSt
        VadimSt 14 December 2015 11: 16
        +1
        It makes no sense to me to enter into a polemic with you - with all the leaders of the CPSU and the CPSU, we also had genuine democracy!
        1. fraer
          fraer 14 December 2015 11: 41
          +6
          No, it was an ordinary crowd elite system. Above the elite, below the crowd.
          The people were given the illusion of democracy. So, if someone believes that the USSR was a people’s state, they are deeply mistaken. I have never seen a more just society in my lifetime, but that does not mean that this is the limit.
          1. VadimSt
            VadimSt 14 December 2015 12: 18
            +6
            Here we are, the same! True, the axiom that "whoever has a gun is right, smarter and more successful" does not apply to all Cossack militias, but only to the top. It's just that those who moved from the Cossacks to the LPR divisions, or left the militia altogether, out of disagreement with the current policy, do not arrange press conferences! Dremov, like Strelkov, and Mozgovoy remain some symbols of struggle, but this does not mean that there was a vacuum without them. In the trenches, there are not legendary commanders, but ordinary militias who, at the cost of their lives, defend their home, or help local militias do it.
      2. avt
        avt 14 December 2015 12: 28
        +1
        Quote: fraer
        And I do not get information from the media

        Fathers! Yes, here we have a whole head of an unprecedented intelligence agency who drew with apparently invisible agents, to which all sorts of FSB, CIA go to report! wassat
        Quote: fraer
        From independent sources, taking into account my worldview.

        laughing good Powerfully pushed !!! I would write right away - from the astral. laughing
        Quote: fraer
        I'm not even interested in how this happened. This is a particular. I am interested in the reason.

        what wassat ,, Oh, you're lying! You are lying to the Tsar! "The reason does not interest you at all, because you yourself drew it
        Quote: fraer
        b.Popular power, that is the reason for the death of Dremov and Brain.

        and do not allow other versions into the brain under any pretext.
        1. fraer
          fraer 14 December 2015 12: 40
          +3
          Well, it's a bore, this avt. lol
          He ran in. All giggled. Something said as a result, said nothing what in the case.
          I really painted the reason myself, without a cheat sheet. And in the notebook, I didn’t look at anyone, I didn’t peek request
          Quote: avt
          do not allow other versions into the brain under any pretext.

          Why pour water from empty to empty? If sure. what
          1. avt
            avt 14 December 2015 16: 30
            -1
            Quote: fraer
            . Everyone giggled.

            Marcus Wolf giggled, waking up, and outwardly smiled at Svetlana Sorokin when she interviewed and compared the journalist with the intelligence officer
            Quote: fraer
            in the case.

            When something sensible, not
            Quote: fraer
            But I do not get information from the media.

            Write - we will certainly discuss the case, and so, about mythical sources -
            Quote: fraer
            Why pour water from empty to empty?
            1. fraer
              fraer 14 December 2015 18: 19
              +1
              Quote: avt
              and so, about mythical sources -

              Fu, how boring! Well, it’s necessary to touch every source, strip to underwear, torture with an iron. And if it’s a partisan? He is one hell, he will not tell the truth request
              You are like in the Stone Age, everything works the old fashioned way. Not hard?
              Nope, I don’t play such games. I have two convolutions in my head (two means a lot) Handbook, bunker called. He glanced with one eye and everything is clear. That you can still giggle. hi
  14. eugraphus
    eugraphus 14 December 2015 10: 31
    +4
    Now look at what happened through the eyes of ordinary soldiers. Salaries are not paid for half a year. And they have families, which of course can suffer. But the tramp has been going on for about two years, and there is no end to the end. Periodically, some urgent expenses may arise. Like for example medicine expenses. And so they keep you in the trenches (and it’s not the month of May on the street), joyless news from the house. Prospects are not what, hopelessness is complete. Will everyone refuse some tasty offer? Alas, there have always been traitors. And if Dremova still did not have everything fair, then there is an excuse for his act. The longer the situation is frozen in such an unresolved form, the more all sorts of thugs will form from this freezing. The army must either fight or be in regular exercises. When the army does business with weapons in hand, a showdown is inevitable.
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 14 December 2015 10: 53
      +2
      We are used to "grabbing" what lies on top! That is why, instead of sensible assessment and analysis, often some nonsense! Another 9 December on the "Observer" (Source: http://obozrevatel.com/blogs/53086-separatistskij-bunt-kazaki-bolshe-ne-podchiny
      ayutsya-bate.htm) there was a note from S. Shakhov (I will not explain who is this, who wants to understand what is happening, and not just "vote with the fibers of his soul," he will find information himself) - "Separatist revolt: the Cossacks no longer obey" Bate " ! ". Has anyone noticed this, among all the highly respected writers, bloggers and experts? Shish! What are the experts and conclusions.
      It is always like this with us, somewhere we simplify, and somewhere we idealize. So it is with the birth of legends. Here's another example of how individuals acquire legends from the media - "Bati's Way. Pavel Dremov (call sign Batya) was born on November 22, 1976 in Stakhanov. He actively participated in the activities of Cossack organizations. According to unconfirmed reports, he participated in the second Chechen campaign as a fighter of the federal forces. . Source: http://rusnext.ru/news/1449985951 "
      Both LDNR and Russia itself will be stronger when cap-bailing and simplified approaches end.
  15. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 December 2015 10: 43
    +2
    The idealistic revolutionary romanticism in the Donbass was defeated. Who is slandered, who is killed. In everyday life, harsh and merciless materialism reigns supreme.
  16. GOGY
    GOGY 14 December 2015 10: 52
    +2
    The situation is bad. I doubt that this is just a dough sharing. In a pre-war situation, Dremov, who has a certain weight and strength in the LPR, can only be eliminated by a headless (if we mean Plotnitsky) division and disassembly is good to arrange in peacetime, but certainly not in a situation when the front line is 15 km away. If we assume that the head of the LPR chased two birds with one stone - i.e. crushes the coal business and "drains" the republic, then I doubt that the Ukrainian authorities will leave him this "freebie", they can promise, of course, but who believes the swindler? Two versions remain - either a terrorist attack by the Ukrainian special services (so that they are not talked about) on the eve of the offensive, or the "hand of Moscow" and the subsequent surrender of Novorossia, inspired from the "top" and where the heads of the Republics either simply do not know, or work on orders. In all cases, good is not enough ... And Bate - eternal memory! The country where heroes are killed is dangerously ill ...
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 14 December 2015 11: 08
      +2
      Quote: GOGY
      when to the front line 15 km
      What is the front line? There is no solid front line and never was! Having gone to the outskirts of any city of the Stakhanov conglomerate (Pervomaisk, Stakhanov, Almaznaya, Teplogorsk, Kalinovo, Kirovsk) you, after half an hour’s turn, can find yourself in the trenches of the junta’s troops. What makes it much easier to hold positions is a very rough terrain. And for a professional DRG, entering any city is easier than two fingers ... Real friction tops Cossacks and teams Carpenter’s didn’t go anywhere, they are just frozen based on the real situation. Neither Dremov, nor Carpenter, upset this balance was not profitable.
      1. avt
        avt 14 December 2015 12: 06
        +1
        Quote: VadimSt
        . The real friction of the top of the Cossacks and the Plotnitsky team did not go anywhere, they are simply frozen based on the real situation. Neither Dremov, nor Carpenter, upset this balance was not profitable.

        Such a "balance" even with Mozgov did not allow to actually finish off the boiler near Debaltseve - there was not enough real coordination in management to close the second ring behind the reservoir. Taking into account the current mobilization of ukrov, such a "balance" is a bad thing. I do not idealize either Plotnitsky or the late Dremov - for everyone, from a fetid diaper to a stinking shroud, "you can find anything, but walk the field and play in" Cossack "according to the concepts you have to end - there is a war ahead with a serious enemy, but it is better to give it ykram in the Ruin, let’s go kozakuyut.
        Quote: VadimSt
        Only an amateur can say this! You do not want to say that the FSB is weak? The staff of the SBU consists of professionals, not boys from the Maidan. Global purges, as in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, have never been there, and the professional and technical level has not declined!

        good Moreover, the patriots and shapkozakidatel for some reason forget what they themselves were at the beginning of glorious deeds and pissed off. I'm talking about the USA flag on the SBU building and the whole fourth floor occupied by them, it seems. But they continue to buggy Zadornovsky - "well, stupid-s-s-s-e-e-e-e"
  17. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 14 December 2015 12: 16
    +1
    I repeat, the times of freemen (Makhnovshchina) are over. Atamans in an independent form are not needed by any of the main forces in the region. They are poorly controlled by the state and must enter the armed forces or disappear. There is no third.
    How they will “leave” and with whose hands it already depends on the situation.
    Regarding Hodos, this is a manipulator. Turn off emotions at least for a while and turn on your head. No offense. You can minus, but the reality is that and is very far from ideal.
  18. holgert
    holgert 14 December 2015 12: 21
    +2
    This has already happened ---- Shchors was "handed over" by the Cheka-ists, Chapaev was framed by Comrade Trotsky, Comrade Latsis was Kotovsky, and Chekist Leva Zadov was Makhno, and so on ... ..The revolution devours its children, it is a pity that Novorossiya has very few of them !!!!
    1. avt
      avt 14 December 2015 12: 33
      +2
      Quote: holgert
      It was already ---- Shchorsa "passed"

      Bozhenko was poisoned - a classic old man - a partisan commander of the Tarashchanka detachment.
  19. VadimSt
    VadimSt 14 December 2015 13: 32
    0
    I will add, the previous reproaches. Ukrainian media, back in October, were full of headlines - "Ukrainian intelligence learned about the rebellion of the LPR militants against the troops of the Russian Federation" (Source: http://apostrophe.com.ua/news/society/accidents/2015-10-24/ukrainskaya-razvedka-
    uznala-o-bunte-boevikov-lnr-protiv-voysk-rf / 39356). Where the removal of Dremov, the FSB group, and some resistance of the Cossacks to the occupying Russian troops were described ...
    Those. this undermining was planned for a long time, as evidenced by the previously deployed information field in the Ukrainian media. Maybe examples of links to such sources will help "network analysts and experts" to monitor the media more often, rather than give calculations on the first hot message.
    By the way, objectivity is not expedient and not expedient. Unlike the reaction to the death of Mozgovoy, on public television channels in Russia, the reaction to the death of Dremov, on the same channels, was zero! Maybe the repeated attacks of the deceased against Russia and the GDP affected personally, or maybe today Syria is really more important than the local events in the Donbass.
  20. xomaNN
    xomaNN 14 December 2015 14: 49
    +1
    After the mysterious death of Mozgovoy (By the way, time has passed decently, but there is no clarity about customers and performers) or the LPR didn’t draw the necessary conclusions .... Or, on the contrary, is everything going according to some vile plan of theirs? And fight in the winter with UK. there will be no one army men?
    1. Leprekon
      Leprekon 14 December 2015 15: 29
      +3
      Time heals, but does not help in finding out the reasons. Why did you decide that there would be no one to fight with the loss of a field commander? Or do you seriously think that they really, in accordance with the wearable rank, at the level of the regiment or division commander, plan the operations of a military company? Yes, and what to plan, the supply of security and the rotation of the militias? Indeed, they planned and implemented the idea in August 2014 and January 2015, but not in the regimental, brigade, and even more so in the territorial battalion headquarters.
  21. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 14 December 2015 14: 50
    0
    Sin is a bad word to say. And also to listen to fakes and gossip.
    And APU and relatives and old friends in the republics can be. There is someone to offer money.
    When Mozgovoy was commemorated, then his comrades-in-arms then said so about the APU.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 14 December 2015 15: 01
      0
      The article is necessary, although it is very difficult to read.
      The best are often tragically killed in history.
  22. Egor123
    Egor123 14 December 2015 15: 15
    0
    It’s a pity that they really kill ideological commanders, such as Mozgovoy and Dremov, because they really are fighting for an idea, and not just some for grandmas. request
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 14 December 2015 21: 36
      0
      Quote: Egor123
      and not just some, for grandmas.

      Someone (judging by the cons of Yegor123) wants to say that no one is fighting there for the sake of selfish interest? And from that, and from this side those are present.
  23. stappler 2
    stappler 2 14 December 2015 16: 21
    +1
    Quote: 72jora72
    I'm afraid you are greatly mistaken about the infirmity of the special forces brutally.

    By the way, according to rumors cruising in Donetsk, during the clearing of dill of Krasnogorovka for sympathy, the separatists shot 32 people out of 80 arrested. probably a lie, but anyway, when they surrender the Donbass, they do not take measures to shoot people ... hmm, by the way, the inhabitants of the DPR were equated with dill in Russia and 7 days can be left without registration, and then deportation .. the question is where? probably to Kiev. our strategists don't care.
  24. AleBors
    AleBors 14 December 2015 16: 55
    +2
    With all due respect to the authors ... Your conclusion, sorry, is untenable. No need to fence a garden, everything is simple. Remember our "dashing" 90s ... Right now there (LDNR) the same thing. Everyone wants power, money and all imaginable blessings .. As for the Cossacks, I don’t want to talk about everyone, but those with whom I had to meet there are just an open organized criminal group. So the destruction of a competitor is evident. There was a lot of money in the coal business, and the Cossacks (everyone knows) earned good money there. There is much more to add, but I won't. So it's simple. There were no wildly cool RDGs from dill, and I would not connect the death of Dremov with the onset of the Ukrainian Armed Forces either. It's simple ... unfortunately. Humanly sorry for the guy. Kingdom of Heaven to him ..
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 14 December 2015 21: 33
      +1
      Quote: AleBors
      and to link the death of Dryomov with the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, I wouldn’t either.

      Do you exclude the "Kremlin's hand"?
  25. Des10
    Des10 14 December 2015 17: 59
    0
    In Syria, killing generals from Iran.
    Nobody sees a match?
    "Pavel Dremov. Another bucket of problems and lies"
    The title is "chm.ornaya". For authors and editors.
    This cannot be combined - even with ambiguous personalities in our history.
    It turns out straight from the classics - "cosmonauts and homosexuals" (c) - like nothing in common, but the sediment remained.
    For Dear authors.
    There will be no freemen, as well as the Revolution. For they rule a lot of money. The origin of this money is not so important, they are international.
    It is important that this is done (as before) - professionally.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 14 December 2015 18: 47
      +2
      Dremov, like a Russian, and not a general from Afrosamosia, to whom personally to me, as to Mars. Try to disengage during your relative’s commemoration and write here about it. Dremov’s death is a real pain and loss for the Russians.
      1. Des10
        Des10 14 December 2015 20: 41
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        Dremov’s death is a real pain and loss for the Russians.

        Yes, only they for the most part do not know about him and, accordingly, do not grieve.
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  26. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 14 December 2015 19: 39
    +4
    No comments((
  27. dzeredzavkomimu
    dzeredzavkomimu 14 December 2015 21: 23
    +2
    DNR and LC prepare for dill, just pushing the amnesty for the militia in Minsk explains everything, you can’t imagine any funnier murders;
  28. Merfi
    Merfi 15 December 2015 21: 46
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USEEFYsDKeU&index=24&list=PLA7fOvwFVwW4KffFk5qMx9
    mOcy3KMWaor
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