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"Marshal Ustinov" will return to service in the second half of 2016

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By the end of this year, the transfer of the Marshal Ustinov cruiser standing at the Zvezdochka enterprise in Severodvinsk to the military department was prevented by problems with suppliers and the customer’s underestimation of the amount of work, writes Kommersant.


Consecration of the cruiser Marshal Ustinov. Severodvinsk, 2013

The ship will be ready no earlier than the second half of 2016, and the repair time can be adjusted upward again, since the equipment for modernization has not been fully supplied so far.

“Access to the open sea will take place no earlier than June 2016 of the year. Accordingly, the ministry will receive a missile cruiser no earlier than the second half of next year, a source at the United Shipbuilding Corporation told the newspaper. “At the same time, the transfer deadlines may shift to the right, as some problems remain unresolved.”

“Today, a larger volume of deliveries has been closed, however, significant problems have arisen due to the fact that the equipment for a long production cycle was delivered with significant delays,” he explained.

According to a source in the ship repair center itself, problems have arisen, mainly due to the mechanical part and electronics. For a long time, for example, waited for the delivery of a turbogenerator from the St. Petersburg Proletarsky plant.

“One of the main turbine generators was dismantled, and we waited for a long time to replace. Another contractor delayed the installation of the trunk cable for almost a year. Accordingly, the timeline has lengthened, ”he said.

Now the ship passes mooring tests. In parallel with them, several units are under construction, which will then be mounted on a cruiser.

“The modernization will affect the replacement of the electronic stuffing, the control systems and the component base of the cruiser's armament,” said the interlocutor at USC, “The electron beam displays will be replaced with plasma displays, and the microprocessors will also be replaced.”

According to him, “a separate problem remains the impossibility of access to the ship’s personnel for the ship’s documentation: the Marshal Ustinov was built at the beginning of the 1980s in Ukrainian Nikolaev. All documentation remained in the branch of the designer of the ship in Ukraine. ”

The source also noted that "the real volume of repair work more than doubled the planned." “With 2010, we have now entered into service contracts. And only in 2014, when it became clear that the scale of repair goes beyond the scope of service, they signed a new contract with the company for upgrading and repair, ”explained the source.

The press service declined to name the contract, explaining that this is confidential information.

“The ship will be handed over to the Russian Navy in the second half of 2016. This period was approved by the customer and fixed in the relevant decree of the Russian government of 2015. Due to this period a large additional amount of work on the modernization of the electronic systems of the cruiser ", - told in the USC

"To date, a large amount of repair and restoration work has been carried out on the cruiser: repair of the fifth and sixth gas turbine generators has been completed, installation of covers for similar hatches, repair of decks, and exterior painting of the ship are underway," the press service added.

Consecration of the cruiser Marshal Ustinov.
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Press Service of the Arkhangelsk Diocese
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 13 December 2015 14: 10 New
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    Huge periods must be introduced for such sabotage.
    And at present, in general, pulls on sabotage ...

    Inspired by ...


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      1. kil 31
        kil 31 13 December 2015 14: 25 New
        23
        According to him, "the impossibility of access for the company's employees to the documentation for the ship remains a separate problem:" Marshal Ustinov "was built in the early 1980s in Ukrainian Nikolaev
        I do not understand that Nikolaev is showing off. It is necessary on the contrary to cling to cooperation, and so have reached the pen.
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 13 December 2015 14: 34 New
          +9
          They have everything according to plan ... Washington ... It should be an agricultural region ..
          Quote: Kil 31
          According to him, "the impossibility of access for the company's employees to the documentation for the ship remains a separate problem:" Marshal Ustinov "was built in the early 1980s in Ukrainian Nikolaev
          I do not understand that Nikolaev is showing off. It is necessary on the contrary to cling to cooperation, and so have reached the pen.
        2. g1v2
          g1v2 13 December 2015 15: 40 New
          11
          According to the data that I personally believe, some of the Nikolaev specialists are already working with the new Russian passports in Samara.
          1. jjj
            jjj 13 December 2015 17: 03 New
            +5
            And in Severodvinsk there
        3. perm23
          perm23 13 December 2015 16: 57 New
          +1
          For so many years, they could not return the documents.
          1. Eugene-Eugene
            Eugene-Eugene 14 December 2015 08: 02 New
            0
            I have some doubts ... Didn’t duplicates of the technical documentation have been kept in the bins of the Soviet ministries in Moscow?
        4. PSih2097
          PSih2097 13 December 2015 17: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: Kil 31
          I do not understand that Nikolaev is showing off. It is necessary on the contrary to cling to cooperation, and so have reached the pen.

          waiting for them for the debts of Ukraine along with Kherson and Odessa Russia will take ...
        5. PSih2097
          PSih2097 13 December 2015 17: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Kil 31
          I do not understand that Nikolaev is showing off. It is necessary on the contrary to cling to cooperation, and so have reached the pen.

          waiting for them for the debts of Ukraine along with Kherson and Odessa Russia will take ...
        6. Ze Kot
          Ze Kot 14 December 2015 10: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Kil 31
          According to him, "the impossibility of access for the company's employees to the documentation for the ship remains a separate problem:" Marshal Ustinov "was built in the early 1980s in Ukrainian Nikolaev
          I do not understand that Nikolaev is showing off. It is necessary on the contrary to cling to cooperation, and so have reached the pen.



          So they are the same type with “Moscow” and “Varyag” .. Are there any documentation on them?
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 13 December 2015 14: 14 New
      12
      Undergoing modernization, the Marshal Ustinov missile cruiser received a new three-coordinate long-range radar station “Podberezovik” and a Fregat-M2M radar with phased array antennas, optimized for detecting low-flying targets, the FleetProm website reports, citing the press service of the Ship Repair Center Star""
    3. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 13 December 2015 14: 20 New
      +2
      It’s not their fault that the fleet began to pay attention only now. It is clear that after the devastation of the 90s and 2000s, nothing will be quickly put into operation. Well, except for the "raptors" of course.
      1. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 14 December 2015 08: 05 New
        0
        Their total 6 pieces are made
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 13 December 2015 14: 23 New
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      Quote: Vladimir
      Huge periods must be introduced for such sabotage.
      And at present, in general, pulls on sabotage ...

      Inspired by ...

      What a sabotage, what a sabotage. There was an enterprise that supplied equipment for the Navy, and it was covered with a copper basin for the rebuilding of Gorbaty! Who should send gearboxes, axles, mechanisms if there are no enterprises for repair. I’m not talking about new developments with electronics, chemistry either. In essence, a new industrialization of the country is required.
      1. Vanyatka
        Vanyatka 13 December 2015 14: 42 New
        +2
        I agree 100%
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 13 December 2015 15: 29 New
        15
        Quote: APASUS
        In essence, a new industrialization of the country is required.

        In essence, the nationalization of elites is required, for starters. And it’s not clear what state they work for. But obviously not in Russian. Hence the lack of responsibility to the country and its citizens.
        It is absurd to justify the failure of the modernization deadlines by the unavailability of allied enterprises. When they received the terms of reference and made production plans, what were they thinking? The fact that "understand and forgive" in case of failure? Like "justify the general collapse of industry"? And in fact, we see the untimely fulfillment of the defense order and the undermining of the combat readiness of the Navy.
        1. Civil
          Civil 13 December 2015 16: 37 New
          -1
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Quote: APASUS
          In essence, a new industrialization of the country is required.

          In essence, the nationalization of elites is required, for starters. And it’s not clear what state they work for. But obviously not in Russian. Hence the lack of responsibility to the country and its citizens.
          It is absurd to justify the failure of the modernization deadlines by the unavailability of allied enterprises. When they received the terms of reference and made production plans, what were they thinking? The fact that "understand and forgive" in case of failure? Like "justify the general collapse of industry"? And in fact, we see the untimely fulfillment of the defense order and the undermining of the combat readiness of the Navy.


          Be careful with the statements, your call "nationalization of the elites" is close to Art. 282 of the Criminal Code.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 13 December 2015 17: 52 New
            +6
            Quote: Civil
            Be careful with the statements, your call "nationalization of the elites" is close to Art. 282 of the Criminal Code
          2. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 13 December 2015 19: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: Civil

            Be careful with the statements, your call "nationalization of the elites" is close to Art. 282 of the Criminal Code.

            Hardly. "The incitement of hatred or enmity, as well as the degradation of dignity .. groups of people .. by belonging to any social group" - does not seem like it. At least because of the lack of a clear definition of a social group called the "elite" smile
          3. varov14
            varov14 13 December 2015 20: 58 New
            0
            Nationalization, capitalization, urbanization, etc. - Everywhere there’s some kind of action, and you won’t get enough articles.
        2. Eugene-Eugene
          Eugene-Eugene 14 December 2015 08: 08 New
          0
          The military industrial complex is already controlled by the state, with a few exceptions (like the Zelenodolsk plant, famous for its Buyans)
      3. lelikas
        lelikas 13 December 2015 16: 33 New
        +4
        Quote: APASUS
        What a sabotage, what a sabotage. There was an enterprise that supplied equipment for the Navy, and it was covered with a copper basin for the rebuilding of Gorbaty! Who should send gearboxes, axles, mechanisms if there are no enterprises for repair. I’m not talking about new developments with electronics, chemistry either. In essence, a new industrialization of the country is required.

        It can be even simpler - the cable was Ukrainian. This was already encountered at the North Shipyard at the end of last year - we ordered ours, and after that, after transportation and installation, insulation fell down, the boys ran with square eyes, the time is short, it's good that we figured it out.
      4. Prince Gvidon
        Prince Gvidon 13 December 2015 17: 31 New
        13
        First we need the industrialization of the brains of our powers that be and the moral and ethical modernization of the materially wealthy “elite.” Businessmen brought up on quick profit and easy profit are not in a hurry to invest in long-term and technically intensive production. Have many factories been built recently? And the government continues only to monitor and fulfill the function of a tax collector. Even the Americans in the 90s got out of the crisis only by creating state corporations, which also ensured a reduction in unemployment. Only tough, transparent state. a control system as in the USSR can give effective results.
        A bunch of private contractors and suppliers with their charter in their monastery will not do the weather. Plus, there are still a lot of banks who want to squeeze income from any penny. It turns out a huge and clumsy system with its petty-possessing interests. Benefits are at the forefront. And one can only dream of an elementary respect for the work of masters and specialists (both material and moral). And a turner of the 6th category as well as combine operators just do not grow on trees in the spring. In the meantime, it remains “proud” only of the fabulous incomes of our top managers from Gazprom and Rosneft - for what they receive such money and in what place they shove it? (Well, it bore me ...)
        1. varov14
          varov14 13 December 2015 21: 11 New
          +2
          So fabulous incomes are not from a great mind, but from raking handles and from the roof, but real specialists who move the oil industry and Gazprom forward, down there, you can be the first to twist your head and nothing will change for the worse. This is not a brain trust, but an amorphous fat-coated mass.
      5. varov14
        varov14 13 December 2015 20: 49 New
        -3
        And that they did not know, they got involved in the war, but industrialization was not carried out. The Americans failed with our resources to fail the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and even with ground troops. Soon ridicule the world community, pulled in as small children. Capital divorce, opuses will be composed. Weapons tested - tested, acting - acting, to test that they have not tested and discreetly discarded. Something the 150 thousandth Syrian army is not in a hurry to battle, as we were assured at the beginning of the company. Well, to our head cutters, the Bosko should be unscrewed upon return and strengthen the border, although they will begin to sabotage again.
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 14 December 2015 01: 59 New
          +8
          Quote: varov14
          The Americans failed with our resources to fail the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and even with ground troops.


          Who told you that they failed them ?! Maybe you need to set priorities correctly. In my opinion, the Americans did not initially have the goal of destroying the Taliban, but they successfully carried out opium production and drug control. Also with Iraq, the objectionable Saddam was removed, control over Iraq was obtained, Daesh was created, oil is received almost for free with their help! So I do not see any failures, just their goals are far from the ones they state in words, everything is very simple!
    5. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 13 December 2015 14: 28 New
      +4
      Many consider this project to be the best and most balanced ocean zone project built in the Soviet years. Trouble-free gas turbines, stock buoyancy, powerful weapons. 1144 still came out oversaturated, too heavy, complex and expensive. It is a pity that in the union they made 4pcs 1144 and only 3,5pcs 1164. At one time, they planned to build a dozen 1164
    6. Sergei1982
      Sergei1982 13 December 2015 15: 28 New
      0
      At 9:03 Moscow time, the ship’s watch service discovered at a distance of about 1 meters a Turkish vessel approaching the anchored IC “Smetlivy” from the starboard side, ”the military department said.

      “Despite the numerous attempts of the Shrewd, the crew of the Turkish seiner did not make radio contact with the Russian sailors and did not respond to special visual signals of the light semaphore and signal missiles,” the Ministry of Defense emphasized.

      QUOTE
      When approaching a Turkish seiner with a Russian patrol ship at a distance of about 600 meters, in order to prevent a collision of ships, in the direction of the Turkish ship at a distance of guaranteed non-defeat, small arms were used
      Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
      According to the ministry, “immediately after this, the Turkish vessel abruptly changed course and, without getting in touch with the Russian crew, continued to move past SC Smetlivy at a distance of 540 meters.”

      “In connection with the incident in the Aegean Sea, Deputy Defense Minister of the Russian Federation Anatoly Antonov called on the military attache at the Turkish Embassy in Russia,” the ministry said.
      1. hartlend
        hartlend 13 December 2015 18: 58 New
        +1
        Off-topic commentary.
    7. g1v2
      g1v2 13 December 2015 15: 47 New
      +9
      What is sabotage? They put it on repair, it turned out that the repair needed a more serious one. At the same time, they decided to modernize. While the work was being carried out, THE BREAKTHROUGH WITH UKRAINE BEGAN, hence the need for import substitution. The ship in Nikolaev was under construction. Each time, the dates were naturally postponed. Well, who are going to shoot, shooters? Workers, engineers, navy, or shoot yourself in FIG? negative
      1. jjj
        jjj 13 December 2015 17: 10 New
        +1
        With "Vikramaditya", by the way, it was the same. Hindus even had to pay extra. In fact, this is a repair and parallel restoration of project documentation. Invaluable experience. As for the disrupted supplies, then most likely you can find a trace of sanctions.
        In the picture above. The ship is painted in light ball color. And on the SF in the dark. “Peter” a couple of years ago in the twilight seemed almost black. And, note, below the waterline in the area of ​​the ice belt is a wide black stripe
        1. severyanin
          severyanin 13 December 2015 19: 25 New
          0
          Quote: jjj
          The ship is painted in light ball color. And on the SF in the dark. “Peter” a couple of years ago in the twilight seemed almost black.

          Have you been following the naval fashion for a long time? :))) For your information, “Peter” has been painting in light-ball “NATO” color for about five years, by the way, the rest of the fleet
    8. varov14
      varov14 13 December 2015 20: 31 New
      0
      Dragging and sabotage are the main enemies of GDP. We are straining with GDP, every year they strive to roll and lower it.
  2. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 13 December 2015 14: 10 New
    +5
    In fact, for failure to meet the deadlines for putting the ship into operation, responsibility is laid, up to the criminal one. Especially in such a difficult time. Will they punish someone? I doubt very much.
    But the news is still encouraging - the Atlanta fleet needs. It is a pity, at one time, they didn’t agree to buy 90% of the Lobov from Ukraine. Now this is no longer possible, unfortunately.
    1. Altona
      Altona 13 December 2015 14: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      But the news is still encouraging - the Atlanta fleet needs. It is a pity, at one time, they did not make a reservation to redeem Ukraine Lobova in 90% readiness. Now this is no longer possible, unfortunately.

      ----------------------
      The hull of the ship is handsome, of course, such contours are harmonious smooth ...
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    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 13 December 2015 14: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      In fact, for failure to meet the deadlines for putting the ship into operation, responsibility is laid, up to the criminal one. Especially in such a difficult time. Will they punish someone? I doubt very much.
      But the news is still encouraging - the Atlanta fleet needs. It is a pity, at one time, they didn’t agree to buy 90% of the Lobov from Ukraine. Now this is no longer possible, unfortunately.



      Redrawing the hull is more expensive and more difficult than making a new ship.
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 13 December 2015 14: 25 New
      0
      But the news is still encouraging - the Atlanta fleet needs. It is a pity, at one time, they didn’t agree to buy 90% of the Lobov from Ukraine. Now this is no longer possible, unfortunately



      “Ukraine”, which stands in Nikolaev, they wanted to redeem from Ukraine, repair and modernize, and make the Pacific Fleet the flagship instead of “Varyag,” but as you can see, it’s not fate and now this cruiser will go to us only when Ukraine falls apart or seizes it ... sad
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 13 December 2015 14: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        and now this cruiser will go to us only when Ukraine falls apart or seizes it

        Nothing good is already there - the ship is rusting and deteriorating. I watched his current photographs - the state is depressing. And why? Renamed Ukrainians "Admiral Lobov" in "Ukraine", but Ukraine is not for sale! no Yes, and Serdyukov (in his mouth breathing) said that "we take it only for nothing." Here is the result. Now only if they sell them on the needles, and even then it’s not for us ...
        1. ssergn
          ssergn 13 December 2015 18: 36 New
          +1
          Well, what about Serdyukov (he said a little wrong), when it came to selling, the other side broke such a price that buying on it was just a betrayal. It was like in 2012 year. After that, all the conversations subsided.
          In September 2013, it became known that representatives of the military-industrial commission under the Government of Russia agreed with the leadership of Ukraine on the purchase of an unfinished cruiser for 1 billion rubles [11]. At the beginning of the 2013 year, the cost of completing the cruiser, according to the company Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 Communard, was estimated at 1,4 billion hryvnias, or 5,6 billion rubles [12] - this was after Serdyukov.
  3. venaya
    venaya 13 December 2015 14: 11 New
    +1
    As no longer new breaks in economic ties are still hitting and are pretty painful. Plus, problems with suppliers are still not very clear. When will it all end?
    1. Eragon
      Eragon 13 December 2015 14: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: venaya
      When will it all end?

      Unfortunately not soon. Then, when entire industries will be restored, for example, electronics manufacturing, instrument making, machine tool building, etc., etc. All that is destroyed "as unnecessary" for 25 years.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 13 December 2015 15: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: venaya
      When will it all end?

      You looked at the photo? So the main character is pop, so he waved with a censer and now everything will work out and the terms and suppliers and electronics lol
      Apparently the country's leadership thinks in this regard.
      But seriously, the deplorable state of all industries in the country is obvious, as is the fact that the country's leadership is not doing anything in terms of the strategic development of the industry.
      Neither in the president’s message nor in the prime minister’s interview did the industrialization course be voiced.
      Hence the question, what kind of construction of ships of the first rank can we talk about, if we cannot repair and modernize on time, even the existing ships?
      All hope for priests ... sadness ...
      1. jjj
        jjj 13 December 2015 17: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Stroporez
        All hope for priests ... sadness ...

        And what "little piece" to invite? Here is the old naval tradition of consecrating the ship. As the saying goes, may the Lord be of help
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  5. Moore
    Moore 13 December 2015 14: 14 New
    +3
    ... however, significant problems arose due to the fact that the equipment for a long manufacturing cycle was delivered with significant delays, ”he explained.
    For a long time, for example, they were waiting for the delivery of a turbogenerator from the St. Petersburg Proletarsky Zavod.
    “One of the main turbine generators was dismantled, and we have been waiting for a replacement for a long time. Another contractor delayed the installation of the trunk cable for almost a year. Accordingly, the deadlines have lengthened, "

    And what about these contractors? Someone parted with a post, paid a fine, someone was generally told ay-ay-ay for misuse of financial resources? Or is it scary to say - maybe they stamped someone on a foot ?!
    1. Saburo
      Saburo 13 December 2015 14: 45 New
      0
      These are private companies, the state cannot influence them in any way, except to terminate the contract.
      1. amba balamut 77
        amba balamut 77 13 December 2015 14: 54 New
        +3
        Maybe even how it can. One problem - who runs the country? Who is the owner of these most private companies? If these people are not related, then the kents are for sure. And as you know, the raven will not peck out the crow's eye.
    2. severyanin
      severyanin 13 December 2015 19: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Moore
      . however, significant problems arose because the equipment was supplied with a long production cycle with significant delays, ”he explained.
      For a long time, for example, they were waiting for the delivery of a turbogenerator from the St. Petersburg Proletarsky Zavod.
      “One of the main turbine generators was dismantled, and we have been waiting for a replacement for a long time. Another contractor delayed the installation of the trunk cable for almost a year. Accordingly, the deadlines have lengthened, "
      And what about these contractors? Someone parted with a post, paid a fine, someone was generally told ay-ay-ay for misuse of financial resources? Or is it scary to say - maybe they stamped someone on a foot ?!

      Well, about the turbogenerator, the plant is cheating, everything was delivered and mounted on a ship a long time ago! And in general - a turbogenerator is a "drop in the ocean" of problems on repairing a ship! Literacy specialists are sorely lacking, and those who have such a "city" sometimes, that grab your head ... belay With the same generators - first we centered the car, then we mounted a gas exhaust to it and the air intake shafts - respectively, the alignment "went away", let's do it again ... And so in everything - the repair is very slow due to inconsistency of work between shops, it’s necessary much to redo ... I’m waiting for the first exit to the sea - with such an approach at the plant to repair the ship, as now - there is a very high probability of returning in tow, and again the endless elimination of comments ... and where there is the end of 2016, there is 2017- th not far off ...
      Sorry for the emotionality, just pent! am
      Meanwhile, from the remaining two cruisers and their crews heroically "suck the last juices" in endless campaigns ...
  6. lukke
    lukke 13 December 2015 14: 17 New
    0
    Is this a classmate of Moscow?
    1. Vladimyrych
      Vladimyrych 13 December 2015 14: 22 New
      +3
      Yes. Pacific Fleet "Varyag", BSF "Moscow" and SF "Marshal Ustinov." In country 404, another one is chasing ...
    2. Egevich
      Egevich 13 December 2015 14: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: lukke
      Is this a classmate of Moscow?

      “Moscow” is the head “Atlas”, and “Marshal Ustinov” is like the second or third ... so the younger brother, then ...)
      1. severyanin
        severyanin 13 December 2015 23: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Egevich
        “Moscow” is the head “Atlas”, and “Marshal Ustinov” is like the second or third ... so the younger brother, then ...)

        The middle brother :)) The younger - "Varyag"! And the unborn child - "Lobov" ... sad
  7. kagorta
    kagorta 13 December 2015 14: 21 New
    0
    And I'm more annoyed by the tales of documentation, intelligence, where are you? negative
    1. severyanin
      severyanin 13 December 2015 22: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: kagorta
      And I'm more annoyed by the tales of documentation, intelligence, where are you? negative

      And how do you imagine the design documentation, are you annoying ours ?;) in the form of a flash drive with documents, diagrams and drawings, which can be taken out in briefs across the border?!;) The design documentation for the cruiser is actually the size of a medium library and weighs a couple tons for sure;) and nobody converted it into electronic form in Ruin, because Firstly, it takes a lot of time and secondly, nobody fucks there;)
      You need to think before you write comments!
      1. kagorta
        kagorta 14 December 2015 16: 20 New
        0
        Something Ukrainians have stolen our documentation for the Bison. We even got someone planted for it. From your words nobody needs this in Ukraine. So intelligence for that exists, that would become necessary. laughing And when our intelligence needed something, containers were taken out under the guise of diplomatic mail.
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 10 November 2016 08: 21 New
          0
          This is possible if the head of state: Nikolai 1, Alexander3 or Comrade Stalin
  8. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 13 December 2015 14: 22 New
    +5
    I read on the Internet where I don’t remember anymore, that the head destroyer of the project 23560 Leader being developed now is being named after Yevgeny Primakov. For the first time, the appearance of the ship in the layout was demonstrated in the summer as part of the Army-2015 international military-technical forum. Its performance characteristics were not fully disclosed, but it is known that on board there will be about 60 anti-ship cruise missiles, 128 anti-aircraft guided missiles and 16 anti-submarine guided missiles. All missile weapons of the destroyer will be located in vertical launchers. In addition, the ship is able to carry on board two multi-purpose helicopters. Its displacement will be about 17,5 thousand tons, length - 200 m, width - 20 m. Ships of this type will be able to reach speeds of up to 30 knots and perform autonomous voyages of up to 90 days.
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin 13 December 2015 18: 00 New
      0
      17,5? thousand tons yes, Atlanta has a full 11380 ... i.e. it turns out that the destroyers will have more cruisers in terms of displacement. sense to build such monsters? Now striking power in displacement is much less invested.
  9. arane
    arane 13 December 2015 14: 26 New
    +7
    The fact is that the real volume of work, and, accordingly, the cost and terms of these works, can be established only after the docking of the ship and its full revision. And this is also time and money. Preliminary repair list almost never corresponds to reality, especially in medium and major repairs.

    Theft also thrives among contractors
    1. amba balamut 77
      amba balamut 77 13 December 2015 14: 32 New
      +1
      In-in, then Nakhimov should not wait until 2020. And besides, if at all we can handle its repair.
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      2. Denis Obukhov
        Denis Obukhov 13 December 2015 14: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: amba balamut 77
        In-in, then Nakhimov should not wait until 2020. And besides, if at all we can handle its repair.



        “Admiral Nakhimov” - undergoing modernization and repair, after launching (in 2018) it will be the most powerful ship of the Russian Navy, even more powerful than Peter the Great due to more modern weapons, 4. “Peter the Great” - as the flagship of the Northern Fleet is known, It will float until 2018, and after that it will go on modernization and will stay on it until about 2020-2021. As a result, by 2020, somewhere in our Navy there will probably be as many as 3 Heavy Cruisers of the Orlan project, which of course adds optimism, after all, after all, these are the largest non-carrier ships and perhaps the most powerful ships on the planet in general.
        1. amba balamut 77
          amba balamut 77 13 December 2015 15: 01 New
          +2
          Your words to God’s ears ... What kind of beast such an "Orlan" I imagine a little. For Nakhimov hesitation doubts gnaw at me, for Peter and especially Lazarev with a modern approach until 2021, I do not believe at all. hi
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 13 December 2015 16: 54 New
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          Quote: Denis Obukhov
          As a result, by 2020, somewhere in our Navy will probably have as many as 3 Heavy Cruisers of the Orlan project

          and the third one, excuse me? repeat
    2. severyanin
      severyanin 13 December 2015 20: 01 New
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      Quote: arane
      Preliminary repair list almost never corresponds to reality, especially in medium and major repairs.

      I agree with you, I’ll just correct it - the concept of “overhaul” refers only to civilian vessels and vessels of the auxiliary fleet, and for warships there is only the concept of “average repair”, which is essentially capital! hi
      1. arane
        arane 13 December 2015 22: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: severyanin
        Quote: arane
        Preliminary repair list almost never corresponds to reality, especially in medium and major repairs.

        I agree with you, I’ll just correct it - the concept of “overhaul” refers only to civilian vessels and vessels of the auxiliary fleet, and for warships there is only the concept of “average repair”, which is essentially capital! hi


        Yes. The military has planned factory repairs - these are dock, current and medium.
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  11. Aleksander
    Aleksander 13 December 2015 14: 29 New
    +6
    Another contractor almost Per year tightened the installation of the trunk cable

    belay
    How is it for a YEAR ?! A half-ship of a new one is being built in a year, not just the cable is laid. This is some kind of sabotage.
    To date, a large amount of repair and restoration work has been carried out on the cruiser: the fifth and sixth gas turbine generators have been repaired, installation is underway similar manhole covers, deck repair, ship exterior painting»

    That is, almost nothing has been done. Behind two of the year....
  12. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 13 December 2015 14: 30 New
    +2
    it from what metal and material the cable could not make an entire year?
  13. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 13 December 2015 14: 32 New
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    Electron beam displays ?!
    It seems that there you need to change all the equipment.
    1. KCA
      KCA 14 December 2015 07: 58 New
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      Well, I also have an electron-beam display LG F920P, he’s 11 years old, I’m not going to change it, I hope a few more years, I also have CRTs on the radar, the word itself is not an indicator of outdated equipment and the need for replacement
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  15. zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 13 December 2015 14: 39 New
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    And it seems to me that the remnants of Serdyukov’s shadow take place in underestimation, so to speak ...
  16. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 13 December 2015 14: 39 New
    +2
    On the one hand, the modernization of equipment is so rapid, especially in the field of management, that you can constantly adjust the content and characteristics of the equipment. And it might not be worth the haste here. And regarding the documentation from Nikolaev, so the Ukrainians are ready to sell their mother for dollars now, therefore problems with this should not be, unless of course it is relevant! And then the piquant moment with the loading of the ship repair enterprise. Any team wants to have stable work and employment, and repairing a ship of this class is a good way to earn money. So let the middle ground in all this be determined by specialists.
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  18. amba balamut 77
    amba balamut 77 13 December 2015 14: 41 New
    +2
    Ustinov was put in for repair during a cashier budget, plus his capital, without much modernization. If Moscow is now put up for repair (I am silent about the modernization), then when will it return to operation, in the year 203. which one? In this way we are in the 21st century, we will be the same mighty sea power as Russia of the 17th century.
  19. izya top
    izya top 13 December 2015 14: 43 New
    +1
    grin of socialism yes nostalgia repeat
  20. lopvlad
    lopvlad 13 December 2015 14: 50 New
    +3
    Since 2010, the company entered into service contracts. And only in 2014, when it became clear

    for such real prison sentences it is necessary to give. Stalin is not on them.
  21. linen
    linen 13 December 2015 14: 50 New
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    NO DELAYS !!! Everything should be the most advanced domestic and on time !!!
  22. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 13 December 2015 15: 03 New
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    Yes, things are going, as they say, not precariously, not swiftly, but where is the “landing" for sabotage?
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 13 December 2015 15: 25 New
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      It is very unfortunate that we already have few ships of the ocean zone as part of the Navy, and although they undoubtedly need to be modernized, there is no way to disrupt the dates, especially for such a long time.
  23. From Samara
    From Samara 13 December 2015 16: 23 New
    +1
    With ships, we are in trouble ...

    I wonder ... how is Moscow still on the go?
  24. From Samara
    From Samara 13 December 2015 16: 27 New
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    But it is not yet known how long the sea trials, live firing ...
  25. tinibar
    tinibar 13 December 2015 18: 53 New
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    Quote: g1v2
    According to the data that I personally believe, some of the Nikolaev specialists are already working with the new Russian passports in Samara.

    It is necessary to hire not all, but those who seized the documents ... laughing
  26. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 13 December 2015 19: 15 New
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    But why bells do not tear off bells of the Zvyozdochka allies for delays? It's about the state’s defense capability.
  27. kapitan92
    kapitan92 13 December 2015 20: 17 New
    +6
    Questions have more answers. If I’m not mistaken, this is Atlas project 1164. All ships of this class were built in Nikolaev in the 80s. "Varangian" he is the former "Chervona Ukraine" from the same series. 2013 scheduled repair at Dalzavod; 2015 underwent dock repair. There were no questions about technical documentation.
    On December 1.12, 14, the official representative of the Zvezdochka shipyard, Gladyshev, announced that in the 3rd quarter of 2015 a factory sea trial program would begin.
    For 20 years it was possible to take out all the archives of Nikolaev or buy from Ukrainians. Subchiki can not cope, so find new ones. Or, as always, there is sloppiness, sabotage, and theft.
    1. severyanin
      severyanin 13 December 2015 23: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: kapitan92
      For 20 years it was possible to take out all the archives of Nikolaev or buy from Ukrainians. Subchiki can not cope, so find new ones. Or, as always, there is sloppiness, sabotage, and theft.

      You are right about everything! For 20 years, what could have been done, but alas, we have what we have ... We got used to "sit on the bench straight", liberals were satisfied that many key industries, technologies and documentation are located in Ukraine, and now it’s painful to have its production set up ...
      You don’t have to go far for an example - the same gas turbine engines for the fleet! A complete seam, kakly with these engines, the entire fleet almost for a "soft spot" hold am
      And it is still unknown how things are going with the engines on Ustinov itself - six turbines, all Made in Ukraine, have not been launched for five years, what will happen? If at least one fails, where to get something?
  28. altman
    altman 13 December 2015 20: 19 New
    +1
    Yes, everything was immediately clear in terms. If new ships build longer than expected, repair and modernization is a long story. I am glad that things are going, the mooring trials have begun. So the entry into operation is close.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 13 December 2015 20: 40 New
      +4
      "So the commissioning is close."
      Fresh tradition, but hard to believe! The administrative resource "Moscow" can not do !!!!!!!
  29. Megatron
    Megatron 13 December 2015 21: 25 New
    +1
    Priests - not the topic.
  30. Barakuda
    Barakuda 13 December 2015 23: 05 New
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    Electron beam displays will be replaced by plasma

    Quite stupid, TFT is cheaper, or the correspondent is a goof, does not see the edge of his phone. Try to shove the plasma into the 37 cm diagonal, de. Beat, s.
  31. Severomor
    Severomor 13 December 2015 23: 40 New
    +2
    But the USSR fleet was not consecrated - is it good or bad? Now the steamships will probably sink less, something reminiscent of the 90s: - they lit the car, lit the apartments, and bandits were constantly baptized and then again went to work))))
    PS I repeat, Soviet shipbuilders were the best designers in the world. Look at 1164 and create something prettier
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 14 December 2015 12: 55 New
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      Well, yes, each rocket is blessed before takeoff - and how many have already fallen?
      The USSR also did not consecrate, and how much fell there?
  32. MolGro
    MolGro 14 December 2015 04: 54 New
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    terms apparently moved due to the installation of cassettes)
  33. alex86
    alex86 14 December 2015 20: 39 New
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    Apparently, there is no substitute for the Volcanoes, but do they themselves exist? And here they repeatedly wrote that the main feature - a volley launch with one leader rocket, which throws off all the other information - was not carried out. Maybe it was worth changing to Caliber Onyx (or to invent the marine version of Iskander)?
  34. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 14 November 2016 19: 24 New
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    Rather, he would take his place in the ranks, we are a little tense with the cruisers, especially if we take into account the current conditions. But with the suppliers delaying the implementation of defense deliveries (not only for the fleet), it is necessary to deal with it more strictly. Although with whom to deal? We have the entire financial and economic bloc in the government, clearly “pro-Westerners”, they don’t seem to give a damn about Russia's image, its shift workers, they sleep and see themselves not with Russia, nothing else even comes to mind, but for some reason they GDP is still suffering. Oh, it's time to clear the country from liberoids!