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What does the coming barrel prepare for us? ..

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For the first time since December 2008, oil prices have collapsed below 38 dollars per barrel. It is a period of time with such oil quotes 7 years ago was considered the bottom of the global financial and economic crisis. Where the bottom of the crisis is, and whether the current crisis is really global, argue, both leading economic experts and amateurs argue. And, taking into account the fact that the economy has long ceased to somehow remind science with working laws that do not depend on the political situation at all, disputes reach lethal temperatures.


It was officially announced that the slump in oil prices was related to the forecast of the International Economic Agency, which announced that supply would prevail over demand throughout the entire 2016 year. If so, then the previously announced forecast of the Russian Ministry of Economic Development and Trade that oil prices will creep up at the beginning of next year and may reach 60-70 dollars per barrel in the medium term, do not look feasible.

On the other hand, the IEA forecast itself can hardly be called adequate to the current realities. The American shale oil market collapsed. The oil shalers themselves began to experience serious problems even when oil prices were at the level of 55 dollars per barrel. At that moment, reports came from the United States that if oil sank to at least $ 50, then not only small and medium-sized shale players would have to go under the knife, but also the slate segments of large oil-producing companies.

With oil prices below $ 40 per barrel, slate offices began to burst like soap bubbles due to the fact that there would be no question of any profit at such prices for “black gold”. Investment in development is much higher than the income that shale oil at this price level can give.

In addition to the bursting of shalers from the same States, strange (at first glance) messages began to arrive. The thing is that several large oil companies operating in the shale sector have immediately announced a reassessment of proven reserves. It turned out that, for example, the reserves of Oasis Petroulem were adjusted by about a third downward, the reserves of Bill Barrett and Chesapeake Energy were minus 40 and minus 45%, respectively. Previously, companies reported "giant reserves of shale oil" and the beginning of the process of developing it before 2020. But why, if in the end it turns out that these and other companies do not have any huge reserves of oil-bearing shale?

Everything is very simple. The fact is that under the reporting of large reserves of shale oil companies received considerable funding for the development of fields. Moreover, the "shalers" had the opportunity of preferential loans for their business projects. Now, when extracting shale oil becomes, to put it mildly, unprofitable, “shalers” are forced to declare that there really wasn’t much shale oil, there’s no point in working with such “meager” reserves - thanks to everyone, goodbye! ..

In the end: fraudulently received money, oil prices collapsed, shale projects in the chain reaction mode are minimized, transferring existing financial reserves to other business developments. By and large, it smacks of obvious fraud, but not in the United States. Companies have done their work by forcing non-shale players not to reduce production, so as not to trade a competitive partner and not lose their profits. But was the "partner" competitive? ..

At the same time, not without a certain kind of half-conciliation-Washington's semi-competition with “partners” from the same Saudi Arabia managed to achieve the main task - to hit the oil market, which primarily hurts the countries whose lion’s share of oil sales and gas. Russia, as it happens, among these countries. Yes, Saudi Arabia is also among them, and Riyadh is more active than others to burn its reserves, but then the game seems to follow the formula “who will be the first to stretch their legs” if the cheap barrel becomes a new economic reality.

What does the coming barrel prepare for us? ..


The economic sector of the Russian Cabinet might have wished that it was his prediction that came true - about the rise in oil prices from January of next year, and that the opportunity to lie back in leather chairs could be ticked in the budget items filled with rivers of petrodollars . But as they say, not everything is so simple. With all this desire, it’s just necessary to keep in mind the option of oil eventually getting the price of mud poured onto the ground. It is clear that there are no objective reasons for such a pricing policy, but when did objectivity prevail in the world? If against the background of the growth of the largest economies of the world (USA - about 3%, China - 7%, India - 6,6%), the global economy reduced its performance to the same level as 2008 of the year (on average, growth makes 2,4%), then it is even a bit silly to expect that oil will “skip” tomorrow and pull the Russian economy at least to the level of zero decline (zero growth).

And here, for the thousandth time, it is time to ask: how many more artificial, natural and frankly far-fetched crises need to be survived, so that some people began to realize the following: to rely on the petrodollar in terms of its obvious control over some people - this is not economic policy, in which Russia shines real, and not declarative financial independence. In those laws for which the current economic model exists (laws of investing in dollars as the main reserve, laws of praying for a barrel of oil, laws of the largest investments exclusively in commodity projects), even if it is possible to achieve some growth in the near future, then it will again fit into the framework of statistical error.

The economic policy of the aforementioned format looks all the more strange, given the fact that the barrel of oil and the game with raw materials have become neither an economic nor a political tool today. And not even yesterday. This tool, which is being tried again and again as the “law of objective economics”, has been used periodically by 40 for years. During this time, the Soviet Union managed to disintegrate, during which time the “democratizers” managed to do things in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and put the monarchy of the Arabian Peninsula with mutual parasitism under a certain angle. But for some reason, all these events are either ignored by our economic geeks, or geeks every time they believe that this will never happen again.

Meanwhile, somewhere over the province of Deir ez-Zor, a US coalition bomber again missed the oil production and oil supply sites DAISH and "unintentionally" pleased the Syrian government army's location ...
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 14 December 2015 06: 42
    11
    so that in some places some people begin to realize the following: to rely on the petrodollar under the conditions of its obvious control over some people - this is not the economic policy in which Russia shines with real, not declarative financial independence .....
    Do not keep eggs in one basket ....
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet 14 December 2015 08: 47
      +6
      For your information:

      Due to falling oil prices and the war in Yemen, the six Gulf states for the first time in history (!) Introduce a tax for ordinary citizens.

      The Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), an organization consisting of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, Oman and Kuwait, finally decided to introduce Value Added Tax (VAT). This was officially announced by the Deputy Minister of Finance of the UAE, Younis Haji al-Houri, after the meeting of the GCC Committee on Financial and Economic Cooperation.

      The reason for the radical innovation is the monetary difficulties of the oil monarchies, caused not only by falling oil prices, but also by the costly war in Yemen. About the operation of the Arab coalition, created and led by Saudi Arabia, now because of the events in Syria and Iraq, much less is written than a few months ago. However, it continues, and blood continues to spill every day in the south of the Arabian Peninsula.

      The fall in oil prices affected, of course, all oil-producing countries. Many have written that Riyadh is returning tens of billions from investment funds to reduce the budget deficit. However, all these financial problems have not yet affected the foreign policy of the largest Arab kingdom. Riyadh continues to support anti-government forces in Syria and continues to bear the bulk of the spending of the military campaign in Yemen against Iran-backed Hussite rebels, which has been ongoing for eight months.

      To these expenses should be added extensive and costly social programs in Arabia and other Gulf states, the cessation or sharp reduction of which could lead to discontent among the population. The GCC members are very afraid of this in the capitals, because the examples are still fresh in my memory, to which such discontent has led in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and Syria.
      Taxation is considered an alternative source of income for Gulf states. Of course, they want to gradually get rid of their dependence on oil and gas, which yield from 80 to 90% of all income. Naturally, the population of the monarchies was greeted with news of the imminent introduction of VAT, which ultimately will have to pay ordinary citizens, without much enthusiasm. Prices for goods and products due to VAT will not rise on January 1, 2016. It was decided to introduce it gradually over the course of three years. In order to avoid smuggling and competition, the introduction will be simultaneous in all six countries. In addition, according to local press reports, medical services, education, social services and 94 products will be excluded from the list of goods and services subject to VAT.

      Introducing at least VAT to the Gulf states has long been advised by the IMF, a big fan of introducing new and increasing existing taxes. Nothing has been reported on tax rates yet. Presumably, it will be in the region of 5%.

      The introduction of one VAT may not be limited. The introduction of income tax is also being discussed.
    2. Sharapov
      Sharapov 14 December 2015 10: 13
      18
      The author again teaches what is not worth doing, and does not offer concrete real ideas. Similar aftors predicted 3-4 years ago, the collapse of the fin. US system, and during this time, the buck grew from 30 rubles to 71. There are many theorists-demagogues, little help ....
      1. anfil
        anfil 14 December 2015 11: 01
        0
        Quote: Sharapov
        The author again teaches what is not worth doing, and does not offer concrete real ideas. Similar aftors predicted 3-4 years ago, the collapse of the fin. US system, and during this time, the buck grew from 30 rubles to 71. There are many theorists-demagogues, little help ....


        And yet, something is being done:

        1. ancient
          ancient 14 December 2015 15: 42
          +7
          Quote: anfil
          And yet, something is being done:


          Of course .. "done" lol who ... against wassat

          1. anfil
            anfil 15 December 2015 07: 53
            0
            That's why I have hopes for a change with the appointment of Dmitry Tulin, First Deputy Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.

            The new curator of monetary policy, first deputy chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Tulin, openly opposed the policies of his boss Elvira Nabiullina. If you believe the information disseminated by journalists, then at internal meetings in the Central Bank, Tulin advocates restrictions on the movement of capital and targeted lending to enterprises in the real sector. Tulin had already pointed out the inappropriate behavior of the Central Bank before, and in his very first interview in office, he said that it was time for the regulator to turn its face to the real sector of the economy. <...>
            <...> Dmitry Tulin became famous also thanks to the conflict with Mikhail Khodorkovsky, about whom Tulin wrote an article 20 years later. In 1990, the State Bank created a Securities Department to control the issue of shares of various banks. A year later, the Menatep interbank association, headed by Khodorkovsky, issued shares that aroused suspicions in the State Bank. <...>


            Please read about it, link:http://trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&sid=41467

            And we will not lose hope for a better change, if only there was no war.
        2. Viktortopwar
          Viktortopwar 14 December 2015 18: 40
          +3
          The central bank is against itself ??? Nonsense.
    3. Skif83
      Skif83 14 December 2015 10: 49
      25
      To some places ... began to realize ... the story repeats itself.
      Stalin realized in time that the country of the Dolszha was not run by lawyers, political scientists or talkers, but by Managers, Industrialists, who had real experience and ability to CREATE AND MANAGE CREATION! As soon as he tried to put into practice such a model of state governance, he was swallowed up by the snarl and clique.
      Well, they’re not able to manage and build all sorts of butler’s, who have never worked anywhere !!!
      This was not very noticeable against the background of high prices for oil and gas, because it is much easier to distribute commodity profits than to participate in creating your own economy (to such an extent) independent of commodity prices.
      But ... it happened, prices collapsed and ... what? Diffuse ... dvorkovich!
      I’ll recall to some who advocated for the Olympics and the World Cup in football, wouldn’t it be better to raise the backward engineering, machine tool, agricultural, etc. with this money.
      What is difficult to learn from the example of collapsed empires, that "spectacles", and the Olympics is a spectacle, in the first place, did not save any of them. Yes, you can distract people for a while, and then what?
      It is necessary to clean from the government and the executive branch in general the last of the Gaidar and Chubais, and start working, and not la-la ...
    4. Askin
      Askin 14 December 2015 10: 54
      +6
      trusting the petrodollar under conditions of its obvious control over some people is not an economic policy in which Russia shines with real, rather than declarative, financial independence.

      it is strange that nothing has been done in this direction in 15 years!
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 14 December 2015 17: 54
        +8
        Quote: Askin
        it is strange that nothing has been done in this direction in 15 years!


        Well, just so and nothing, you are not objective, colleague. Have you created Rusnano? Created. Has Skolkovo been built? Built. We have carried out a bunch of reforms, health care, education, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the like. We've done and done a lot. laughing
        Here are just a peculiar result, as if the truth had done nothing! belay
        1. REVOCOM
          REVOCOM 14 December 2015 21: 51
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          as if the truth had done nothing!

          Well, why nothing? many enterprises destroyed.
          here is the link: http://maxpark.com/community/2890/content/2108200
        2. Alf
          Alf 14 December 2015 22: 22
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          Here are just a peculiar result, as if the truth had done nothing!

          It would be better not to do anything.
  2. apro
    apro 14 December 2015 06: 47
    15
    The oil price is manipulated in the Washington and the economy doesn’t smell like one of the many weapons to promote Amer’s hegemony, they first pumped up the price and then dropped it and see who gets there, the oil price is not so important to Amer, but for Russia with its stupid economy it’s a death sentence, Why was the dollar pegged to the ruble through oil quotes? And what does faith not allow to sell own oil for rubles? They created a pancake a great energy power and laid eggs in the claws of the Amerian scavenger.
    1. atalef
      atalef 14 December 2015 07: 12
      10
      Quote: apro
      The price of oil is manipulated in the Washington and the economy does not smell

      Let's imagine for a second that Washington really controls the price of oil (although this is not so. But imagine 0
      That is, it turns out a very unenviable picture over the course of 15 years (while the same Washington, for unclear purposes and keeping the price in the region of 100 bucks per barrel and allowing Russia to enrich itself), has it driven Russia into an incomprehensible trap? belay
      But in Russia, all these analysts from the Ministry of Economic Development, Glazyev, Putin and the General Staff - who were sure of the unshakable price of oil, got into it? profukav grandmother, etc. etc.?
      Then it seems like (in your opinion) - when America wanted to, it simply tore the Russian economy at the touch of a button.
      If this is the way you think, then somehow with the analytical service in economics, politics, etc. --- well, something is not right, at least.
      Why the hell are Armata and Caliber, if everything can be solved much easier?
      1. i80186
        i80186 14 December 2015 08: 32
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        That is, it turns out a very unenviable picture over the course of 15 years (while the same Washington, for unclear purposes and keeping the price in the region of 100 bucks per barrel and allowing Russia to enrich itself), has it driven Russia into an incomprehensible trap?

        No, everything is a little more complicated, the oil price of $ 100 was not needed to create a trap for Russia, it was needed to restrain China's growth. It is obvious. But what happened happened. The rise of Russia missed. And here again, oil prices 80x-90x.
        1. atalef
          atalef 14 December 2015 08: 41
          +1
          Quote: i80186
          No, it's a little more complicated, the oil price of $ 100 was not needed to create a trap for Russia,

          and . well yes .
          but wasn’t it easier to not raise the price at all - or did they feed the type before slaughter? wink
          Quote: i80186
          she was needed to restrain China's growth

          Do not smoke in the morning.
          Quote: i80186
          It is obvious

          after such statements. yes a pair of green crocodiles flying past your window is obvious
          Quote: i80186
          The rise of Russia missed

          belay
          1. i80186
            i80186 14 December 2015 08: 52
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Do not smoke in the morning.

            You can immediately see the outstanding, sober-minded analyst. And yes, I repeat, the main reason for the high oil price in the past decade is the need for economic pressure on China.
            And the rise of Russia is cruel, especially for the Middle East, a fact, the Crimeans will not let lie. smile
            1. guzik007
              guzik007 14 December 2015 09: 25
              +9
              painfully hits those countries whose lion's share of the budget is tied to revenues from the sale of oil and gas. Russia, it just so happened, is among such states.

              -------------------------------------------------- -----------------
              Ai-wai! I remember, at the beginning of the year, I tried to prove here that our budget depends on oil. How harshly they minded me, proving on figures about high technology exported by the river, and the minuscule oil component in revenue ...
              He is it, Mikhalych!
            2. REVOCOM
              REVOCOM 14 December 2015 22: 02
              0
              Quote: i80186
              And yes, I repeat, the main reason for the high oil price in the past decade is the need for economic pressure on China.

              Stop talking nonsense, why crush for the sake of tea, if this is a world production and assembly workshop.
              1. Alf
                Alf 14 December 2015 22: 24
                +2
                Quote: REVOM
                Why press tea for the sake of a world production and assembly shop.

                To know their place. Your business is to collect what we have given you and no more.
                1. REVOCOM
                  REVOCOM 14 December 2015 22: 36
                  0
                  Quote: Alf
                  To know their place. Your business is to collect what we have given you and no more.

                  Hello, Vasily! hi
                  Do you think that now China has been given freedom in the form of low prices for hydrocarbons.
                  And one more thing, all my friends living abroad squeal with joy, because everything has fallen in price with the fall in oil prices.
                  And we have one road, oil is getting cheaper, benz is getting more expensive, oil is getting more expensive, benz is getting more expensive.
                  paradox request
        2. S_last
          S_last 14 December 2015 11: 10
          +6
          This is an economic joke about containing China's oil price. Containing the Chinese economy with the price of oil and investing trillions of dollars there. Definitely your logic is simply not possible to understand. Well, look at the picture carefully.
          1. Alexy
            Alexy 14 December 2015 22: 40
            0
            What a scheme so cunning. No clarity. Exports in barrels per day, and imports in millions of tons per year.
      2. apro
        apro 14 December 2015 09: 39
        +1
        Good day, Alexander, let's not imagine, but remember the end of 1985, the price drop in half also just happened
        Or did Kissinger come to an agreement with the Soudans? At the right time and with good effect, oil producers controlled by the Amer took and increased production volumes and canceled quotas? Do they need money?
        In terms of income from the sale of energy resources, Moscow invests them in Amer’s papers and stores them there as a guarantee of its loyalty, but the Americans didn’t care about that.
        1. atalef
          atalef 14 December 2015 11: 07
          +4
          Quote: apro
          Good day, Alexander, let's not imagine, but remember the end of 1985, the price drop in half also just happened

          of course. not .
          But then the USSR was in a bit of other circumstances.
          And now? I don’t think that the drop in oil prices is connected with an exceptional desire to punish Russia (you forgot Iran and Venezuela) laughing
          In general, even if this is so - it’s an even bigger minus to all your analysts, and to the idiots - it will happen twice on the same rake - this should be able to.

          Quote: apro
          Or did Kissinger come to an agreement with the Soudans? At the right time and with good effect, oil producers controlled by the Amer took and increased production volumes and canceled quotas? Do they need money?

          Apparently money is not everything laughing , unlike the Great strategist, who argued that oil prices would not fall, the budget of Saudi Arabia was set at $ 80 per barrel
          Quote: apro
          In terms of income from the sale of energy, Moscow invests them in Amer’s papers and stores them there as a guarantee of its loyalty, but the Americans didn’t care

          Russian money in Amerov securities is such a trifle, since the states do not bother with that.
          1. apro
            apro 14 December 2015 11: 29
            0
            Consequently, Alexander the price of oil is an artificial structure and has nothing to do with market pricing methods.
            Russian money in Amerov securities is such a trifle, since the states do not bother with that.
            Here I think it doesn’t matter; it’s not necessary; the main thing is that the enemy cannot take advantage and do not invest money in the development of his country.
            1. atalef
              atalef 14 December 2015 11: 49
              -1
              Quote: apro
              Consequently, Alexander the price of oil is an artificial structure and has nothing to do with market pricing methods.
              Russian money in Amerov securities is such a trifle, since the states do not bother with that.
              Here I think it doesn’t matter; it’s not necessary; the main thing is that the enemy cannot take advantage and do not invest money in the development of his country.

              No, the price of oil certainly has a market component, it’s just that some states have the opportunity to influence it — when some .brize, greyhound (I do not mean Russia), by the way, this also applies to Russia — to reduce Russia’s oil production and the price will rise irreplaceably — as an example
              But tell me - embargo on European products - is it not the effect of its price?
              Therefore, everyone is fighting and economically the same way,
              1. apro
                apro 14 December 2015 12: 29
                0
                Alexander You contradict yourself these methods that you described are criminally punishable and are called cartel conspiracy. And it was not Russia that started it.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 14 December 2015 13: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: apro
                  Alexander You contradict yourself these methods that you described are criminally punishable and are called cartel conspiracy. And it was not Russia that started it.


                  am i contradicting?
                  And OPEC is that yours?
                  The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries; abbreviated as OPEC, OPEC for short) is an international intergovernmental organization created by oil producing countries to stabilize oil prices. Often seen as a cartel
                  1. apro
                    apro 14 December 2015 14: 00
                    +1
                    OPEC is an amer-controlled body.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 14 December 2015 14: 02
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      OPEC is an amer-controlled body.

                      Why
                      and what then do countries like Venezuela and Iran do there?
                      1. IS-80
                        IS-80 14 December 2015 14: 06
                        0
                        Quote: atalef
                        Why
                        and what then do countries like Venezuela and Iran do there?

                        Decorate. American democracy.
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 14 December 2015 16: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: IS-80
                        Quote: atalef
                        Why
                        and what then do countries like Venezuela and Iran do there?

                        Decorate. American democracy.


                        Well, yes, if it doesn’t fit into the general theory, it means they decorate
                    2. apro
                      apro 14 December 2015 14: 18
                      +2
                      Iran was under the guardianship of the drum in general, and Venezuela from the time of Chavez was biting all the time for a fair quota, the largest Saudi suppliers are firmly under amers with the ensuing consequences.
                    3. atalef
                      atalef 14 December 2015 16: 40
                      0
                      Quote: apro
                      Iran was under the guardianship of the drum in general, and Venezuela from the time of Chavez was biting all the time for a fair quota, the largest Saudi suppliers are firmly under amers with the ensuing consequences.


                      While under sanctions, not long left
                      Quote: apro
                      Chavez-era Venezuela biting all the time for fair quotas

                      What is the problem ? Venezuelan oil more than in Russia. Russia is not OPEC - Venezuela can do the same (like Indonesia) - no one pulls by force.
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  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 December 2015 09: 42
    +8
    If this is the way you think, then somehow with the analytical service in economics, politics, etc. --- well, something is not right, at least.
    Why the hell are Armata and Caliber, if everything can be solved much easier?
    What if you're right? And there is no analytics either in economics or in politics. but there are only bulldozer drivers who row loot.
    1. atalef
      atalef 14 December 2015 13: 10
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      If this is the way you think, then somehow with the analytical service in economics, politics, etc. --- well, something is not right, at least.
      Why the hell are Armata and Caliber, if everything can be solved much easier?
      What if you're right? And there is no analytics either in economics or in politics. but there are only bulldozer drivers who row loot.

      Dilemma
    2. atalef
      atalef 14 December 2015 13: 10
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      If this is the way you think, then somehow with the analytical service in economics, politics, etc. --- well, something is not right, at least.
      Why the hell are Armata and Caliber, if everything can be solved much easier?
      What if you're right? And there is no analytics either in economics or in politics. but there are only bulldozer drivers who row loot.

      Dilemma
    3. REVOCOM
      REVOCOM 14 December 2015 23: 05
      -1
      Quote: Gardamir
      What if you're right? And there is no analytics either in economics or in politics. but there are only bulldozer drivers who row loot.

  4. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 14 December 2015 11: 00
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    That is, it turns out a very unenviable picture over the course of 15 years (while the same Washington, for unclear purposes and keeping the price in the region of 100 bucks per barrel and allowing Russia to enrich itself), has it driven Russia into an incomprehensible trap?

    You are somehow one-sidedly looking at the problem in the context of Russia-USA.
    After all, it is obvious that the price above 100 green tugriks per barrel of oil was for all participants in the oil market — in Russia, in Saudi Arabia, in Venezuela, etc.
    Simply, this price was necessary for the USA itself in order to make the production of its own shale oil cost-effective. Under other conditions, the production of shale oil would be impossible.
    Another question is why our woodpeckers, ie "geniuses" from the economic bloc, have not come up with anything better than to store "extra money" in funds in the form of US government subsidies, financing their economy and not letting them in to develop their own?
    1. atalef
      atalef 14 December 2015 13: 13
      0
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      You look one-sidedly at the problem, in the context of Russia-USA. It is obvious that the price above 100 green tugriks per barrel of oil was for all participants in the oil market — in Russia, in Saudi Arabia, in Venezuela, etc.

      For buyers, it was a problem - they began to look for alternatives

      Quote: Nyrobsky
      It’s just that this price was necessary for the USA itself, in order to make profitable the production of its own shale oil

      Well, so they coped with their task - the result of strategic thinking for years to come.
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      Another question is why our woodpeckers, ie "geniuses" from the economic bloc, have not come up with anything better than to store "extra money" in funds in the form of US government subsidies, financing their economy and not letting them in to develop their own?

      how did Lavrov say that?
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 14 December 2015 14: 06
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        how did Lavrov say that?

        We express our deep concern. laughing
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 14 December 2015 18: 12
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Well, so they coped with their task - the result of strategic thinking for years to come.

        Managed ?!)))
        The United States had a strategic objective with the aim of obtaining the entire Middle East oil cake under its control and monopolizing the oil market with the separation of Europe from Russian oil.
        To solve this issue, mattresses need to at least take control of Syria and Iran, and here, as we see, they have a problem. In addition, the Saudis are not ready to lose their markets when shale American oil enters them, so they are actively dumping, lowering oil prices and thereby making sl / oil unprofitable. Of course, they lose everything without exception, but along the way, the main earners decided to suffer a little and to save more in the future.
        What are the shales? Of all the drilling rigs in the USA, 30% remained, the reserves of the fields were revalued to minus, and the debts of oil producers exceeded $ 200 billion.
        Quote: atalef
        how did Lavrov say that?

        Sergei Viktorovich, using the term "DB" very accurately and diplomatically expressed the Russian proverb - "Do not open your mouth on someone else's loaf"))), and in the case of our government, "DB" has a different semantic meaning, i.e. "they do not know what they are doing."
        Hmm .... great and powerful Russian language.
  5. iouris
    iouris 14 December 2015 15: 34
    0
    And where is this market economy, in the sense of the "invisible hand of the market"? Everywhere the ears of a donkey (or elephant) stick out. After 1991, the hegemon does not hesitate to talk about his hegemony. And hegemony consists in the establishment of the state plan. In the USSR, matches cost 1 kopeck, and the Volga 10000 rubles. Let's say Assad fell, the Russian Federation fell. What will happen to the oil price? I think that the next day the monopoly oil price will increase. For example, up to $ 150 ... 200. This will depend on the size of the US government debt.
  6. max702
    max702 14 December 2015 20: 57
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Let's imagine for a second that Washington really controls the price of oil (although this is not so. But imagine 0
    That is, it turns out a very unenviable picture over the course of 15 years (while the same Washington, for unclear purposes and keeping the price in the region of 100 bucks per barrel and allowing Russia to enrich itself), has it driven Russia into an incomprehensible trap?

    Here the answer is simple, look again at what the incomes of Russia were spent when100 dollars / barrel? Correctly, a part went directly into the pockets of Western bourgeois (look at the list of shareholders), the other part was bought bourgeois paper (US securities), and the third part was organized by all sorts of dubious projects that did not affect the growth of Russia's economic power (Olympics, summit on the "Russian" , World Cup) .. That is, they paid so much for oil and returned back. From the very beginning of his presidency (and achieved considerable success), the GDP fought the first point with a gentle but confident fight, this was the first call to the bourgeoisie, but since they did not want to lose income, on the second point, alas, this tribute is still being paid. It is difficult to imagine an agreement (even if in the current situation when all the masks have been dropped) it is difficult to imagine .. On the third point, everything is clear, WHO would give Russia to use these revenues for something really worthwhile? They would have immediately slashed these 100 bucks, hung them up with sanctions, and fanned a couple of fires .. This is the picture we are seeing now, GDP has long powdered the brains of the world bourgeoisie without planting notorious thieves that dragged everything and everyone from the state, did not press the emissaries of the West that sit on key posts, spent money on all sorts of crap, BUT ... he gnawed a pretty penny and invested in what the country needed, it makes no sense to compare Russia in 2015 and 2000 .. The people really got fat, sales of everything and everything went through all the forecasts, the army was less updated, what- it is done in the military-industrial complex, the agricultural sector is flourishing compared to 2000, and much more .. And all this is done for the crumbs that the GDP was able to snatch from these $ 100 per barrel .. Do you think the current press in Russia is due to Crimea or Syria? NO this war because of the change of course, this is revenge for the betrayal of the West by Putin .. They could not forgive him, so they declared war, but they had time or were late, we will find out in the near future .. So all the bourgeois do in their own interests, but Putin played on their greed and managed to extract some kind of benefit for the country .. Now the main thing is not to stop halfway and give back, you still can't get anything back and they will finish us off, no matter how we repent and crawl on our knees! So go ahead! To clean out the enemy of the internal and give the external enemy to the horns, WE HAVE NOTHING MORE TO LOSE!
    1. atalef
      atalef 14 December 2015 22: 09
      +1
      Quote: max702
      Here the answer is simple, look again at what the incomes of Russia were spent when 100 dollars / barrel? Correctly, a part went directly into the pockets of Western bourgeois (look at the list of shareholders), the other part was bought bourgeois paper (US securities), and the third part was organized by all sorts of dubious projects that did not affect the growth of Russia's economic power (Olympics, summit on the " , World Cup).

      who organized? Who directed this (on the ground), etc. - well, across the power vertical
      Quote: max702
      . From the very beginning of its presidency (and achieved considerable success), it was the first bell to the bourgeoisie that gently but confidently fought the first item

      In what year did the bell ring?
      Quote: max702
      on the second point, alas, this tribute is still paid ..

      And then what, the presidential power was not enough?
      Quote: max702
      . We are observing this picture now. For a long time, GDP poured the brains of the world bourgeoisie without planting notorious thieves who dragged everything and everything from the state, did not press the emisars of the west, who are sitting at key posts, spending money on all kinds of crap

      is it called now?
      Quote: max702
      And all this was done on those crumbs that the GDP was able to snatch from these 100 dollars per barrel.

      What are you saying ?
      Quote: max702
      Do you think the current Russian press is from the Crimea or Syria? NO this war is due to a change of course, this is revenge for the betrayal of the West by Putin ..

      But belay
      Quote: max702
      Now the main thing is not to stop halfway and give the back, you still will not return anything and they will finish us off no matter how we repent and crawl on our knees! So go ahead! To clean the enemy of the inside and give the horns of the enemy to the outside, WE LOSE MORE NOTHING!

      I know I’ll give you a plus. For all your comments.
      For a simple reason, you rarely see when there is nothing left but to shrug your hands and ask why it’s so buggy. But laughed.
      Sorry, you could fit all of yours on one line.
      The king is good - boyars are thieves and traitors.
  • REVOCOM
    REVOCOM 14 December 2015 21: 56
    0
    Quote: apro
    created a pancake a great energy power and laid eggs in the claws of the Amerian scavenger.

    a great gas station, and almost free, because money was kept in in. currency and foreign "securities".
  • would
    would 14 December 2015 23: 59
    0
    and it doesn't smell like economics


    No, it’s just an absolutely ordinary and extremely simple economy. Typical dumping, which is one of the foundations of competition and was incredibly predictable due to the purely speculative oil price. $ 100-120 per barrel is a typical "bubble" due to the fact that large oil companies, both then and now, are able to saturate the market and sell oil for $ 30-40 while staying afloat and even having a profit.

    [And what does faith not allow to sell own oil for rubles?


    Well, ok, but for what will we buy vital imports? He is all in dollars. And there are drugs (in general, what part of the drugs actually has domestic analogues from domestic raw materials? Something is all Indian, Chinese, even Iranian raw materials), equipment, etc. etc. And they sell it only for dollars.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 06: 50
    50
    For the first time since December 2008, oil prices fell below $ 38 a barrel.
    2001, 38 bucks a barrel, 92 gasoline costs 7 r per liter.
    Further ... oil began to rise, and with them the prices at gas stations. Economists of all stripes tell from TV screens that domestic prices are tied to world prices.
    2014, the price of oil is 50 bucks, the price of gas stations, well, nichrome does not change. Economists of all stripes from TV screens, interrupting each other, tell the whole country that domestic gas prices are not tied to world prices. lol
    Sucker is not a mammoth, he will not die out.
    1. st25310
      st25310 14 December 2015 07: 07
      +9
      Everything is simple! They compensate for losses at the expense of the people.
    2. SSR
      SSR 14 December 2015 07: 10
      +9
      And what for ours, even the ruble against the dollar will be lowered and compensated for their "revenue". At work, colleagues laugh, bureaucrats talk about inflation of 5-7%, and you go into a fixed price store and remember that a year ago everything was there at 37, now at 49)))
      For some reason, metal has fallen in price for China, but it has grown domestically, and this is because it is profitable for our metallurgists to sell raw materials for foreign currency, and so we are not a raw material economy))) and Mr. Manturov, who promised to introduce duties on the export of metal, introduced an agreement between the grain producers, and small, medium-sized businesses and ordinary people - pay more or close.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 07: 38
        +2
        Quote: SSR
        For some reason, metal has fallen in price for China, but in our country it’s

        Barrel collapsed laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 14 December 2015 07: 59
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: SSR
          For some reason, metal has fallen in price for China, but in our country it’s

          Barrel collapsed laughing

          Domestic metal prices are not tied to world prices laughing
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 08: 07
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Domestic metal prices are not tied to world prices

            Yes, but they are tied to the domestic price of gas. laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef 14 December 2015 08: 13
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: atalef
              Domestic metal prices are not tied to world prices

              Yes, but they are tied to the domestic price of gas. laughing

              And gas prices are tied to Putin's rating.
      2. atalef
        atalef 14 December 2015 07: 58
        +6
        Quote: SSR
        And what for ours, even the ruble against the dollar will be lowered and compensated for their "revenue"

        Good morning.
        Yes . Yesterday I listened to Medvedev. so he says that not everything is bad and the reserve fund is growing.
        It seems that (some h..ukrainian) - the village is starving, and he is hoarding and hiding fat in the cellar

        Quote: SSR
        and colleagues laugh at work, bureaucrats talk about inflation at 5-7% and you go to the fix price store and remember that a year ago everything was there for 37, now for 49)))

        Well, very big !!!
        and yesterday there were 37 - but small, well, sooo small
        Quote: SSR
        For some reason, metal has fallen in price for China, but in our country it has grown

        The Chinese are damn. They do not want to open their eyes at great prices
        1. SSR
          SSR 14 December 2015 09: 13
          +1
          Good!)))
          It reminds me of the situation that the Kyrgyz outlined.
          They say that the government pretends that it is from the people and for the people, and we pretend that we believe, but in fact the government lives its own life with its own laws and we live separately from the government according to its everyday laws.
          Something is growing in our government and something is growing in the people))) but these are two different quantities from two different planes.
          As I. Stalin said - the death of one person is a tragedy, the death of millions is statistics.
    3. Letun
      Letun 14 December 2015 07: 10
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      2014, the price of oil is 50 bucks, the price of gas stations, well, nichrome does not change. Economists of all stripes from TV screens, interrupting each other, tell the whole country that domestic gas prices are not tied to world prices.
      Sucker is not a mammoth, he will not die out.

      For some reason, you forgot to mention that the same buck has become 2 times more expensive. So what happens with the price of a barrel in rubles?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 07: 28
        +1
        Quote: Letun

        For some reason, you forgot to mention that the same buck has become 2 times more expensive.

        Oh yes, of course, this is because the dollar collapsed, prices have not changed. Sorry, but in 2009, the price of oil in the region was 50 bucks, 30 dollars, what were the prices at gas stations?
    4. atalef
      atalef 14 December 2015 07: 15
      +6
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      2001, 38 bucks a barrel, 92 gasoline costs 7 r per liter.
      Further ... oil began to rise, and with them the prices at gas stations. Economists of all stripes tell from TV screens that domestic prices are tied to world prices.
      2014, the price of oil is 50 bucks, the price of gas stations, well, nichrome does not change. Economists of all stripes from TV screens, interrupting each other, tell the whole country that domestic gas prices are not tied to world prices.

      Hi san
      What else do you want to hear from them? So, I read here, again all the pension savings of citizens were exchanged for incomprehensible points - the government says that this is correct and the points in the book are equal to real money. You believe ?
      Remember about a year and a half ago, we had a conversation about retirement money and age?
      How?
      Good morning !!!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 07: 30
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        What else do you want to hear from them?

        Nothing, I just want cheap gasoline and nothing more.
        Quote: atalef
        So, I read here, again all the pension savings of citizens were exchanged for incomprehensible points - the government says that this is correct and the points in the book are equal to real money.

        I don’t read this, all the same, then everything will be redone ten times.
        Quote: atalef
        Remember about a year and a half ago, we had a conversation about retirement money and age?
        How?

        Well, I remember and what has changed? I told you back then that the pension fund is a shack.
        Healthy enemy of the people laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 14 December 2015 08: 01
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Nothing, I just want cheap gasoline and nothing more.

          and it's all . what you need for complete happiness. Shura
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 08: 06
            0
            Quote: atalef

            and it's all . what you need for complete happiness. Shura

            3 000 000 dollars.
            PS Cash winked
            1. atalef
              atalef 14 December 2015 08: 13
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              3 000 000 dollars.
              PS Cash

              why the hell do you have so much gas? Sanya wink
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 09: 52
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                why the hell do you have so much gas?

                Gasoline is not oil, its price will not collapse wink
    5. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 07: 19
      +6
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Sucker is not a mammoth, he will not die out.

      Without a sucker - life is bad .. laughing
      The Americans will survive their shale oil and will not notice .. investments will flow into other areas and the FSE ..
      It will be harder for us if we add the costs of two wars (I hope no one believes that it is inexpensive and comparable to the exercises belay) and a bunch of projects without a return in the future ..
      We are waiting for "investment in human capital" ??? according to Ulyukaev
      I apologize - Hello Sasha hi
      1. atalef
        atalef 14 December 2015 08: 07
        0
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Without a sucker - life is bad ..

        request
        good morning . Nikolay.


        Quote: afdjhbn67
        The Americans will survive their shale oil and will not notice .. investments will flow into other areas and the FSE

        Of course. and with a hypothetical increase in oil prices. wells will be printed out again - this is like a reserve fund - only the grandmas don't end there laughing
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        It will be harder for us if we add the costs of two wars (I hope no one believes that this is inexpensive and comparable to exercises)

        + Crimea. + World Cup - somehow forgot about him
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        and a bunch of projects with no impact in the future.

        Yes . ships with a pipe .... stream (insert the country you want) - march along the Black Sea like a dog on a leash, from Bulgarian to Turkish, then, like to Greek - the shores
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        We are waiting for "investment in human capital" ??? according to Ulyukaev

        These phrases sound beautiful - but no one knows. what do they mean.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 08: 19
          +3
          Hello Alexander.
          About human capital - I see how pensioners increase pensions, interest on loans falls, salaries grow (among the people) ... wassat not cool, I broke up (dreaming) laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 14 December 2015 08: 32
            0
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Hello Alexander.
            About human capital - I see how pensioners increase pensions, interest on loans falls, salaries grow (among the people) ... wassat not cool, I broke up (dreaming) laughing

            Cool.
            what do you think . Champagne will rise in price?
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 08: 50
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Cool.
              what do you think . Champagne will rise in price?

              The quality has already grown in price, and the substitute is carbonated - like not,
              although honestly laughing I rise in prices for black caviar and oysters worry more .. wink
              1. atalef
                atalef 14 December 2015 09: 10
                +2
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                Quote: atalef
                Cool.
                what do you think . Champagne will rise in price?

                The quality has already grown in price, and the substitute is carbonated - like not,
                although honestly laughing I rise in prices for black caviar and oysters worry more .. wink

                Well, who used to live, he lives now good
                Happy New Year!
                1. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 09: 20
                  +1
                  And you too with the upcoming .. What is the coming year preparing for us ???????? repeat
                  No matter how you twist your "machinations", you have to tighten the belt ..
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 09: 53
                    +3
                    Quote: afdjhbn67
                    No matter how you twist your "machinations", you have to tighten the belt ..

                    I used to put five tablespoons of black caviar on bread, but now only 4 and a half recourse
                    1. afdjhbn67
                      afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 11: 29
                      +3
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Used to be for bread n

                      What are you Sanya - eat without bread at all laughing
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 14 December 2015 13: 04
                        +5
                        Quote: afdjhbn67
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Used to be for bread n

                        What are you Sanya - eat without bread at all laughing

                        Well, yes, there was no bread in the blockade, so butter was smeared on sausage. wassat
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                    2. atalef
                      atalef 14 December 2015 13: 03
                      +3
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Quote: afdjhbn67
                      No matter how you twist your "machinations", you have to tighten the belt ..

                      I used to put five tablespoons of black caviar on bread, but now only 4 and a half recourse

                      laughing
                      Look. Crap. judging by the pluses, at least in living people it is laughing
                      Perhaps the tandem reads your comments. laughing
                      1. afdjhbn67
                        afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 13: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: atalef
                        I guess the tandem reads your comments

                        Are you talking about Chuk and Huck? laughing
                        PS still forgot the fierce enemies - parmesan and mozzarella were deprived crying
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 14 December 2015 13: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: afdjhbn67
                        Quote: atalef
                        I guess the tandem reads your comments

                        Are you talking about Chuk and Huck? : laughin

                        No, I'm talking about Jawaharlal and Nehru.
                      3. afdjhbn67
                        afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 13: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: atalef
                        Quote: afdjhbn67
                        Quote: atalef
                        I guess the tandem reads your comments

                        Are you talking about Chuk and Huck? : laughin

                        No, I'm talking about Jawaharlal and Nehru.

                        In the sense of Rabindranath and Tagore ?? laughing
                2. atalef
                  atalef 14 December 2015 13: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  No matter how you twist your "machinations", you have to tighten the belt ..

                  I used to put five tablespoons of black caviar on bread, but now only 4 and a half recourse

                  laughing
                  Look. Crap. judging by the pluses, at least in living people it is laughing
                  Perhaps the tandem reads your comments. laughing
    6. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 15 December 2015 06: 16
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      These phrases sound beautiful - but no one knows. what do they mean.

      Sasha only saw the answer today ..
      “We need to significantly increase investments in human capital and infrastructure, by reducing the investment of inefficient companies and due to defense and law enforcement,” Kudrin emphasized.

      "This music will last forever - if I change the batteries .." NOW ..
      so there is nothing new under the sun, the "best finance minister" has been removed not far, now they are singing from his lips (which would not be honey)
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 14 December 2015 07: 21
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    2014, the price of oil is 50 bucks, the price of gas stations, well, nichrome does not change.

    "Gazprom" is a national treasure, and the property of a nation, by definition, cannot be cheap! something like that ... logical Sanya? lol
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 07: 37
      +9
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      We are waiting for "investment in human capital" ??? according to Ulyukaev

      So they will rob fellow
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich

      Gazprom is a national treasure

      I am part of the nation, but they don’t allow me to be shot recourse
      Both are healthy drinks
      1. atalef
        atalef 14 December 2015 08: 11
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        We are waiting for "investment in human capital" ??? according to Ulyukaev
        So they will rob

        I remember the video was in the 90s
        Investments * Rinako *
        so there is such a frail dude (half-naked). meets the same half-naked girl and then moans and after a while they already have a baby laughing
        and behind the scenes - Rinako's investments guarantee returns.
        So apparently this is what he meant - he will invest - only with a condom.
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 07: 43
      +4
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      Gazprom is a national treasure,

      "And our gas was stolen - this time
      let's switch to firewood - that's two ".. laughing (almost Mikhalkov)
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 08: 05
        +1
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        "And our gas was stolen - this time
        let's switch to firewood - that's two "

        It is in Ukraine laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 14 December 2015 08: 15
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          "And our gas was stolen - this time
          let's switch to firewood - that's two "

          It is in Ukraine laughing

          by the way. How are Ukrainians? wink
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 08: 23
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            by the way. How are Ukrainians?

            Steal-ss laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef 14 December 2015 08: 38
              +2
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              Quote: atalef
              by the way. How are Ukrainians?

              Steal-ss laughing

              Well, with d ... and roads there have never been the same problems. laughing
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 08: 55
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                Well, with d ... and the roads there the same problems have never been

                So the only people are not sawed .. winked
            2. Pretoreanec
              Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 22: 02
              0
              They steal from Crimea, however ...
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 December 2015 09: 55
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            by the way. How are Ukrainians?

            Baiden left, the paradise did not come, they sit do not understand anything.
      2. Mera joota
        Mera joota 14 December 2015 08: 39
        +8
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        we switch to firewood - that's two "..

        And in some regions they didn’t get off the firewood. I wrote many times how, two years ago, in December in Ulan-Uda, at -35 Celsius, I saw a row of cars with firewood at the side of the road, I ask the locals, but what the hell is firewood? Surprised: -And what else to drown then?
        And after that, when they write here that Ukraine will freeze without our gas (which is already a year already) it makes me laugh, in Ulan-Ude they will not freeze without our gas for decades. At the same time, Ukraine does not even dream of -35 ...
        PS: it’s not worth explaining that pulling a gas pipeline to Turkey, Europe is much further than to Buryatia for example ... or Khakassia, where in winter there is nothing to breathe from burned coal ...
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 08: 58
          +2
          Quote: Mera Joota
          back in December in Ulan-Uda in -35 Celsius I saw a row of cars near the curb

          Since the anticyclone - the city suffocates from the stoves, smoke spreads through the streets .. around the city the whole collective farm gathered and live there without electricity, etc. schools, hospitals, etc. - but the city No.
          1. Mera joota
            Mera joota 14 December 2015 09: 55
            +1
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Since the anticyclone - the city suffocates from the stoves, smoke spreads through the streets .. around the city the whole collective farm gathered and live there without electricity, etc. schools, hospitals, etc. - but the city

            Smoke from wood-burning stoves was still everywhere, but in Minusinsk, in such weather, when it is terribly cold and there is no wind, the burnt coal closes everything in such a dense smog that visibility falls, and it becomes very difficult to breathe ...
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    3. atalef
      atalef 14 December 2015 08: 08
      +1
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      2014, the price of oil is 50 bucks, the price of gas stations, well, nichrome does not change.

      "Gazprom" is a national treasure, and the property of a nation, by definition, cannot be cheap! something like that ... logical Sanya? lol

      It depends on who evaluates.
  • asiat_61
    asiat_61 14 December 2015 07: 05
    +1
    for some reason, all these events are either ignored by our economic child prodigies, or child prodigies every time think ... The end is tsyaty. I look at our figures, ory just kinder, without a child prodigy. And they are not going to grow up. Teams from the Fed, IMF, and others ... F ... wasn’t. All of this is sad. It will take a lot of effort to fix it.
  • Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 14 December 2015 07: 16
    0
    The question is not what awaits us, but why this is happening. The price of oil is artificially regulated. This is a fact; the law of supply and demand on the market in this segment no longer applies. There is definitely a conspiracy to roll back the price of oil to the 1998 level, whether these people have enough strength or not, we will see that shale oil production has already become unprofitable, as well as oil production in hard-to-reach places (sea at great depths, in the depths, etc.). P.). But as regards goals, there can be many interpretations, someone thinks that they are trying to ruin Russia specifically, someone thinks that the United States, Qatar are trying to ruin the US shale companies, but this business has a much larger scale: Exxon Mobil, Statoil, BP and dozens of other oil and gas companies are losing billions of dollars, along with those banks that gave them guarantees for the development of shale gas / oil. And this is a total of hundreds of billions of dollars in losses, but since someone loses, it means that someone earns on this. As for our country, we ourselves are to blame for the fact that the main revenue part of the budget is oil and gas revenues. Who is to blame for the fact that since the 2000s our government didn’t even stir in an attempt to change something and build a normal healthy economy, money went into the budget and all right, nothing had to be done, and now what happened, and if we are the economy we can’t shift it to healthy rails, then 2016-2018 will be very difficult for us.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 14 December 2015 07: 36
      +3
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      Who is to blame that since the 2000s, our government didn’t even stir in an attempt to change something and build a normal healthy economy, money went into the budget and all right, nothing had to be done,

      who by the way was in power? what
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 14 December 2015 08: 03
        +4
        Quote: Andrew Y.

        who by the way was in power? what


        The same people as now :( the portfolios really have changed but essentially they are also in the government. To some extent, you can understand the Ministry of Finance, why chop the chicken that lays golden eggs? But from the point of view of national interests, they made a very big mistake, didn’t They foresaw the consequences of the fall in oil prices and such a dependence of the Russian economy as a whole.In general, the first bell rang in 2008 when the US mortgage crisis started, then the world suddenly remembered soap bubbles and the global economy, as a result, the oil price fell from $ 146 to 37 (about that), and even then it was necessary to take measures, but we hoped maybe a ride and everything will be restored to normal, it didn’t.
      2. atalef
        atalef 14 December 2015 16: 47
        0
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        Who is to blame that since the 2000s, our government didn’t even stir in an attempt to change something and build a normal healthy economy, money went into the budget and all right, nothing had to be done,

        who by the way was in power? what

        Medvedev
      3. atalef
        atalef 14 December 2015 16: 47
        0
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        Who is to blame that since the 2000s, our government didn’t even stir in an attempt to change something and build a normal healthy economy, money went into the budget and all right, nothing had to be done,

        who by the way was in power? what

        Medvedev
    2. Pretoreanec
      Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 01: 31
      -2
      Hmm ... A connoisseur of trading in oil futures) I studied with Glazyev?)))
  • zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 14 December 2015 07: 24
    +1
    Money, money and money again. This is the slogan of the so-called ruling elite of the oligarchs, and the well-being and stability of the country's economy for the benefit of the people is like an extra load, or a bath sheet.
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 14 December 2015 07: 31
    +6
    We have a regulated economy and an external dependency. The country that exports oil has high gas prices. We are told that it is lower than in the United States, but there the salary is 4-6 thousand. $, And we have 17 thousand. Rub., I.e. nominally 3-4 times higher, and the price of gasoline is less than $ 1 against our 36 rubles., i.e. 40 times higher. How can an economy be effective with such an energy component? Just do not need about productivity — our doctors, teachers, air traffic controllers, cleaners work no worse than American ones.
    Objectively, the price of gas should be 4 p.,
    Now imagine that in Russia the price of gasoline is 4 rubles., Respectively, the price of fuel will change.
    What will happen to our economy?
    How does a manufacturer, a carrier, and any citizen feel?
    And since this does not happen, it gives an answer to the questions
    Why is the United States the most developed economy, and in Russia a backward commodity? Who needs this? And who rules the Russian economy.
    1. Pretoreanec
      Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 01: 18
      0
      Just do not need about productivity — our doctors, teachers, air traffic controllers, cleaners work no worse than American ones.
      Where did you check?)))
      For the perimeter of the Mukhosk ... region traveled to compare ?!)))
      So sit in line in your district hospital and do not compose fables about America!)))
    2. Pretoreanec
      Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 22: 09
      0
      Thieves led by the king-father ...

      Here one empirec (capitosh of the first rank) of the emperor’s GDP is actively invited!))))

      86 percent for al against?)))
  • Griboedoff
    Griboedoff 14 December 2015 08: 01
    +1
    And where, in fact, at least an attempt to answer the question posed in the title of the article?
    Again deceived recourse
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 08: 07
      +2
      Quote: Griboedoff
      Again deceived

      Do not be sad - read the comments - the article is a question, but there are no definite answers by definition .. hi
      1. atalef
        atalef 14 December 2015 08: 30
        +3
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Quote: Griboedoff
        Again deceived

        Do not be sad - read the comments - the article is a question, but there are no definite answers by definition .. hi

        Hey . Andrew.
        there are certain things.
        Economics is mathematics (and psychology, of course)
        they don’t think about canceling sanctions (this issue was not even put on the EU agenda - the Minsk agreements were not fulfilled by Russia) and extended for half a year
        those. with psychology finished. now math
        Oil prices are falling and Iran has not yet entered the market.
        New Russia requires and requires attendants
        Syria - well, this is for a long time.
        in general with mathematics, the same thing is clear.
    2. atalef
      atalef 14 December 2015 08: 26
      0
      Quote: Griboedoff
      And where, in fact, at least an attempt to answer the question posed in the title of the article?
      Again deceived recourse

      No, they just didn’t finish
      Next year may be the last for the Reserve Fund. This, according to TASS, was announced on Tuesday at the Federation Council by Finance Minister Anton Siluanov.

      "We will reduce the volume of our reserves by about 2,6 trillion rubles - by more than half. All this means that 2016 is the year when we will be able to spend the last year in such a way as to spend our reserves, our reserves. And then we will not have such resources will be, "he said.

      According to the minister, while maintaining today's oil prices and the dollar exchange rate, the budget in 2016 will receive less than 900 billion rubles.

      "If today's oil prices and the exchange rate remain, and today oil prices are about 44 dollars per barrel for Urals( no longer ) and the ruble exchange rate is about 62 rubles per dollar(the same is not true), then we may receive less than 900 billion rubles. We do have such risks, "the minister said.

      http://www.newsru.com/finance/27oct2015/siluanovreserve.html
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  • GUKTU
    GUKTU 14 December 2015 08: 07
    +3
    As soon as our politicians approved the budget and announced to the whole world that it starts from $ 40 per barrel, two days later the price immediately fell below 40.
  • Tjeck
    Tjeck 14 December 2015 08: 15
    -2
    It is necessary for the Saudis and Qatar to democratize, well, why are we worse than the Americans? laughing On the other hand, I don’t think that gas is striking fully for ordinary citizens, and the fact that the Rottenbergs lose a couple of billion doesn’t make me feel too much better. ours with you) to put in the feed.

    in general, I wonder why attention falls on all sorts of Serdyukov when he is a little naughty boy in comparison with the Rottenbergs. Given our oil and gas reserves, domestic prices should be at least at cost, and at most there should be a kind of medium taking into account the share of export earnings.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 December 2015 08: 45
    +4
    What are we preparing for, Mr. President? Maybe it’s time to turn to the people, to explain how to live, so to speak? Each soldier must know his maneuver. And then some unconvincing personalities fuss with comments, the forecasts make funny ones.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 December 2015 10: 18
      +1
      What are we preparing for, Mr. President?
      And remember, about a year ago, he uttered the appearance of a messiah, after two years everything stabilizes, by itself. Oh well. Let's see. how he fed the country. introducing self-sanction, and parking spaces in the yards will appear. Do you remember jokes about a dollar for 500 rubles?
  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 14 December 2015 08: 47
    +4
    What does the coming barrel prepare for us? ..

    20 dollars per barrel. The era of expensive oil is ending. Perhaps these are the first signs of an energy revolution that will become a new evolutionary factor for the whole world.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 14 December 2015 13: 52
      0
      Quote: Mera Joota
      20 dollars per barrel. The era of expensive oil is ending. Perhaps these are the first signs of an energy revolution that will become a new evolutionary factor for the whole world.

      Well, our BN-800 rolled out. good
    2. IS-80
      IS-80 14 December 2015 13: 57
      0
      Quote: Mera Joota
      . Perhaps these are the first signs of an energy revolution that will become a new evolutionary factor for the whole world.

      Perhaps these are the first signs of a new wave of supercrisis. fellow
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 14 December 2015 14: 26
        0
        Quote: IS-80
        Perhaps these are the first signs of a new wave of supercrisis.

        Yes, they also talk a lot about supercrisis ... I would not want to ...
  • fif21
    fif21 14 December 2015 08: 56
    +2
    1. The drop in industrial production in the world of (-) oil.
    2. Introduction of energy-saving technologies (internal combustion engines) (-) oil.
    3. Development of alternative energy sources (-) oil.
    4. The growth of chemical production of (+) oil.
    5. Dumping prices for stolen oil (-) oil.
    6. Non-negotiability of countries exporting (-) oil.
    7. The fall in consumer demand (aircraft, cars ...) (-) oil.
    8. The growth of armed conflict in the world of (+) oil.
    And are we still waiting for a miracle?
    The only straw is to stop trading in raw materials and export only oil refined products, but who will be involved in the creation of modern refineries and "Orgsintez" ???? The way out is to gradually restrict the export of raw materials by law. hi
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 14 December 2015 10: 42
      +3
      I absolutely agree with your conclusion - "reduce the export of raw materials"
      And, in the sense, this is tantamount to a revolution. You are encroaching on the sacred cow of our elite, imposed by the West, established by the forces of the reformers and intensely fed by the entire elite of the Russian state. The economy of the country is sacrificed to this cow. And the whole block of the government will cling to this cow, like Yatsenyuk in the podium and bouquet, and the whole near-feeder elite rushes to fight, if only the sacred cow would remain inviolable, or rather not be taken out.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 14 December 2015 09: 12
    +1
    Everything is simple - there is an oversupply in the market. And now it will be even larger - Iran will enter the market. The fat years are over
  • imugn
    imugn 14 December 2015 09: 17
    +2
    I carefully follow the forecasts of our Ministry of Economic Development - it seems that this is absolutely not a necessary structure.
  • uge.garik
    uge.garik 14 December 2015 09: 17
    +5
    So Russia, by and large, unlike the rest - oil trade will always be profitable at any oil prices ... - because the price on the domestic market has always been and will be higher than on the foreign ... so oil production and oil sales are always in the black ... - at our expense ...
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 December 2015 10: 12
    +2
    Russian paradox: the more expensive a foreign car, the steeper patriotism.
    1. Pretoreanec
      Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 22: 18
      0
      Accurately!)

      And if you also write "krymnash" or "trophy" on BMW, then there will be no limit to the happiness of the Orthodox people! wassat
  • anfil
    anfil 14 December 2015 10: 36
    +1
    At the same time, not without a certain kind of half-conciliation-Washington's semi-competition with “partners” from the same Saudi Arabia managed to achieve the main task - to hit the oil market, which primarily hurts the countries whose lion’s share of oil sales and gas. Russia, as it happens, among these countries. Yes, Saudi Arabia is also among them, and Riyadh is more active than others to burn its reserves, but then the game seems to follow the formula “who will be the first to stretch their legs” if the cheap barrel becomes a new economic reality.


    A TASK


    Given: The economy of Saudi Arabia is based on the oil industry, which accounts for 45% of the country's gross domestic product. 75% of budget revenues and 90% of exports are oil products exports. Proven oil reserves are 260 billion barrels (24% of the known oil reserves on Earth).
    In the 1990's, the country experienced an economic downturn associated with falling oil prices and at the same time a huge population growth. Because of this, per capita GDP for several years fell from $ 25 000 to $ 7 000. At 1999, OPEC decided to sharply reduce oil production, which led to a jump in prices and helped to rectify the situation.


    Russia's GDP for the 2013 year amounted to 2113 billion US dollars. Oil export for 2013 year amounted to 173 billion dollars. (gas 67 billion dollars) We divide one into another, we get 8% (gas 3%). If we take the figures for 2012 year and divide 181 billion by 1954, we get 9% (see the figure), that is, we can even say that the share of oil exports in GDP is reduced.

    In the light of these data, Russia can be ranked among the oil countries very conditionally. We can only say that Russia is an oil country in terms of geopolitics, since the Russian Federation is a large country and exports enough oil to seriously affect world events. However, Russia is not an oil country in terms of GDP composition: oil for Russia is many times less important than for truly oil countries.

    Question:Who is the first to stretch his legs, if someone does not reduce oil production?

    See the answer on the page "December 2016-2018.

    And about the statements: “How many more artificial, natural and frankly far-fetched crises need to be experienced so that in some places some people begin to realize the following: relying on the petrodollar in the conditions of its obvious controllability by some is not the same economic policy ... "

    Since the natural wealth is OUR VALUE, we must untie the price of our oil from the price of the Brend brand.

    Despite the colossal resistance of many officials who do not want to change anything, the process is ongoing.

    So: “Russia has started testing oil trading independent of Brent.
    Test trading for a new benchmark grade of Russian oil will start in November. He must increase its value and decouple it from Brent quotes, as well as fulfill Putin's long-standing wish to bid for rubles. The idea of ​​creating a Russian oil standard has existed for several years. Now oil of the Russian Urals and ESPO grades (oil supplied via the ESPO pipeline) is sold at a discount compared to the North Sea Brent due to the lack of a unified and transparent pricing mechanism and guarantee of supply. The introduction of the standard, according to officials, will make Russian varieties more liquid and reduce the discount. "
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 14 December 2015 11: 45
      0
      Addition. Have you ever bought a product (say Mercedes) based on the price of the rover? Brands Brent DOES NOT EXIST in the world. It is over. She is not there. Physically not. The Brent deposit is closed and forgotten. But the price is determined by the EXISTING goods.

      It is completely logical to move away from a product that is not in nature and sell the URALS brand, for example, for 3500 rubles per barrel. And that’s all. Whoever doesn’t like it can buy Brent for dollars.
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 14 December 2015 14: 29
        +2
        Quote: Bakht
        And that’s all. Whoever doesn’t like it can buy Brent for dollars.

        Whoever doesn’t like to buy elsewhere, there are many offers on the market. Did the wedge light converge on our URALS?
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 14 December 2015 16: 13
          -1
          Well, good. Let them buy. If they find. If they don’t buy it, then delete another 5 million barrels per day from the total balance of the proposal.
          1. Pretoreanec
            Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 22: 35
            0
            Interesting offer!)

            Here is the RF to the heap and the market will lose ...)))

            And who will substitute? Is it not SOCAR Azerbaijani?!)))

            Ah, gardash?)))
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 14 December 2015 11: 18
    +2
    Gas in the States is almost free. From 50 to 70 cents per liter ...
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 14 December 2015 16: 37
      +1
      We have so much. A little lower.
  • Megatron
    Megatron 14 December 2015 11: 20
    +2
    Yeah, oil is getting lower, and fuel prices are getting higher - DT is already 36 rubles.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 11: 41
      +7
      Quote: Megatron
      DT is already 36 rubles

      Where is this glorious gas station - we had 38 a week ago 38,5 today refueled XNUMX my personal GDP rating fell again ...
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 14 December 2015 12: 54
        0
        Where will you be from? I am from St. Petersburg, until recently, prices were kept at 34 rubles.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 14 December 2015 13: 19
          +1
          Quote: Megatron
          Where will you be from

          Ulan ude .. the gas station turns out far laughing
  • Bakht
    Bakht 14 December 2015 11: 41
    +3
    I like the fact that companies began to revise their stocks. Paper game, paper money, paper oil. Real oil should be given based on the FORECASTS of an organization that has never been able to predict anything.

    Back to stock review. What's new here? Even 10 years ago, statistics were provided. Example: in the mid-90s, BP announced the availability of oil reserves in Azerbaijan of billions of barrels. Tens and hundreds of billions. Amid these reports, the company's shares rose nearly 50 cents. Profits amounted to billions of evergreens. After 5-6 years, they announced that the stocks are not so impressive. But who cares? The company's capitalization has grown.
    A court in the Netherlands 10 years ago sentenced Shell to fines for exaggerating oil reserves. A fine of 120 million looked like a mockery. On some inflated figures, the company's value in the market grew by several billion.
    Senior Shell Invents New Phrase "veiled logic". A synonym is a lie.

    So. An excess of oil in the world is 1,5-2,0 million barrels per day. States increased production to 10,5 million barrels per day. And now it threatens to drop production to 7,5 million. How much oil is not enough for the world per day? Even the output of Iranian oil will not change the situation. Oh yes, the Agency predicts the printing of US oil reserves. This is a gesture of a player purged into ashes. How can I take the Agency’s conclusions seriously if the States plan to release as much as 2018 million barrels a year on the market in 5. At daily consumption of 95 million barrels. This is a drop in the ocean. But on the basis of this drop with a smart look they say about a price reduction.

    We are waiting, sir. When children with pieces of paper on the exchange face a shortage of REAL goods.
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 14 December 2015 16: 43
      +1
      I remember that in 2006, analysts explained the increase in oil prices in the world by $ 2 as insufficient reserves for the heating season in one of the Queens boiler houses. winked
  • Aleksey888
    Aleksey888 14 December 2015 12: 34
    0
    It may already be more profitable to buy oil at that price yourself and drive gasoline for your needs? Again, the residual fuel oil (high-octane), you can heat the home. True, the state will lose to hell, but our problems are not particularly worrying about it.
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 14 December 2015 16: 46
      +2
      Problems are not a loss of state. The problem is the debts of more than $ 500 billion, which must be given in dollars, and for this you need to take these dollars from somewhere. And taking them at a price of $ 40 per barrel is much more difficult than at $ 120.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 December 2015 21: 53
        -1
        Only these 500 billion dollars are not state debts and the state will definitely not give them back.
      2. atalef
        atalef 14 December 2015 22: 00
        +2
        Quote: Cube123
        Problems are not a loss of state. The problem is the debts of more than $ 500 billion, which must be given in dollars, and for this you need to take these dollars from somewhere. And taking them at a price of $ 40 per barrel is much more difficult than at $ 120.


        Quote: Vadim237
        Only these 500 billion dollars are not state debts and the state will definitely not give them back.

        State corporations (debts) - so give it to the state.
  • Bjorn
    Bjorn 14 December 2015 12: 37
    +2
    And how much is gas in Russia now? Just wondering. Here in Estonia there are already 98 euro cents, considering that just recently there was 1 Jew and forty cents (let the Jews forgive me, we have the popular name of the euro), then progress is evident. Today he himself was pleasantly surprised at the gas station.
    1. alexvdv78
      alexvdv78 14 December 2015 14: 43
      +2
      In Khabarovsk, we have 92 gasoline-37r40k. 95-39r.20k. And this despite the fact that one refinery is here in Khabarovsk, and another in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
    2. Cube123
      Cube123 14 December 2015 16: 48
      +1
      Consider yourself: gasoline - about 36 rubles, course 77, i.e. about 47 euro cents.
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    4. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 15 December 2015 00: 41
      0
      Himself from Estonia, from Tallinn. At first we regretted that we had left, and now judging by many of my classmates who had left Estonia, we did the right thing. You find out what prices, work, salaries, and you understand, not everything is so bad in Russia. (If they tell the truth, then 1000 euros is considered a good salary)
      And I’m not talking about freedom of speech at all, I didn’t particularly criticize Ilves, Estonia and the Newbones, at least to the boorishness that was in the direction of Putin, Russia, and Russians, was banned forever.
      But what pleased me was the fine for a drink while driving they want to do, 2500 euros.
      As I understand it, ilves, riyvas, you have local clowns
  • Ajjh
    Ajjh 14 December 2015 12: 49
    +6

    That's relevant. Something like this wink
    1. Pretoreanec
      Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 22: 45
      0
      A famous song, but VERY relevant here!)))
  • Falconmg
    Falconmg 14 December 2015 16: 21
    +1
    And here for the thousandth time it’s just right to ask a question: how many more artificial, natural and frankly far-fetched crises need to be overcome ...
    I’ll try to answer - countless. Either until our people learn to fight for their rights by taking to the streets (no, I do not call for Maidan and revolution), or until the new Peter the Great appears at the helm. Which will cut the boyars' head, the current king feeds them only from the hands. Have you recently watched an interview with Medvedev? I’m only a part, about 10-15 minutes, and you know what struck me? His self-confidence in how they do everything right there is unmistakable. This man is clearly divorced from real life; he does not know how ordinary citizens of our country live. And the answer to the question about Seagull, so there is no comment at all ... As soon as we learn to remove such owners from power, the results will come. Once again I will repeat it not by such methods as in Ukraine, taking to the streets in millions, but peacefully.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 14 December 2015 17: 22
    0
    In my opinion, the biggest energy war is unfolding before our eyes after the mid-80s ... Politics is a continuation of the economy, economics is the basis of politics, it is inextricably linked with one another and one follows from the other ... This is the biggest myth of the last decades that the USSR seems to have collapsed due to falling oil prices and now obviously someone in the West wants to repeat this trick !!! And America even began to flirt with Iran-if only it would further stimulate a collapse in oil and gas prices !!! Although yesterday, such (obviously custom-made) hype and hysteria flamed around Iran that it seemed to many almost the beginning of armageddon !!! It is clear as day that oil prices will continue to bring down - and explain it with anything up to the intervention of aliens !!!

    In general, everything can go according to a very interesting scenario such as:
    Obama + Saudis - "barrel 35"
    Putin - "oh, how bad !!!",
    Saudis + Obama - "barrel 25",
    Putin - "oh how it hurts !!!"
    Saudis + Obama + Qatar with Kuwait - "barrel of 15"
    Putin - "Yes, I said it hurts - how long can you engage in masochism ???"

    And it turns out in the end that Russia does not really depend on oil prices at all and then someone else and not Russia will stretch their legs - the same Saudis with Kuwait-Qatars and others like them !!!
    1. REVOCOM
      REVOCOM 14 December 2015 21: 43
      -1
      Quote: Selevc
      And it turns out in the end that Russia does not really depend on oil prices at all and then someone else and not Russia will stretch their legs - the same Saudis with Kuwait-Qatars and others like them !!!

      Ah, well, yes, it's hpp
    2. Pavel_J
      Pavel_J 15 December 2015 07: 42
      0
      If this were so, it would not be so hard for the country in the event of falling oil prices. Maybe oil pulls all petrochemicals along with it and it turns out that revenues fall too? Well, gas prices can be cited as an example only conditionally, because the collusion of the owners of the industry is very influential. In general, there is an opinion that oil will never end, we can live a hundred years with cheap prices, so it’s a pity that we are not psychic diviners.
  • Ajjh
    Ajjh 14 December 2015 17: 56
    +4
    This is the biggest myth of the last decades that the USSR seems to have collapsed due to falling oil prices

    Was that a myth ?? it was like an additional factor. but nothing more

    America even began to flirt with Iran - if only it would further stimulate a collapse in oil and gas prices

    I do not think that this is the main goal. But overall, cheap oil benefits everyone!
    With the exception of a couple of countries, everyone else only wins
  • Killj
    Killj 14 December 2015 21: 18
    0
    As usual, the government crap up with forecasts, but after all, once and for less, they were sent to ... resign.
  • Earnest
    Earnest 14 December 2015 21: 34
    0
    Quote: Mera Joota
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    Since the anticyclone - the city suffocates from the stoves, smoke spreads through the streets .. around the city the whole collective farm gathered and live there without electricity, etc. schools, hospitals, etc. - but the city

    Smoke from wood-burning stoves was still everywhere, but in Minusinsk, in such weather, when it is terribly cold and there is no wind, the burnt coal closes everything in such a dense smog that visibility falls, and it becomes very difficult to breathe ...

    I spent the whole winter in Abakan on a business trip, the 6 city was successfully built, there wasn’t snow all winter, but there was a lot of smog ... I ask the locals if they would like to connect gas, so 80% answer about what to use gas to heat, Of course, it’s more convenient, but how much does it cost to spend gas ??? But a ton of coal, if desired, can be for 600 rubles. I bought it myself in Podsinem (not neighing - this is not a condition after the bath, but such a village!) was present during unloading-calculations.
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 15 December 2015 00: 32
    +1
    I tell a case. In our city, the site constantly resented the fact that in Russia many villages do not have gas, and at the same time they sell it abroad, they recently carried gas to a sparsely populated village. and outrages began over that. that it’s not when it does not pay for itself.
    So who to listen to the government, those who say that it is necessary to gasify, or those who talk about the loss-making of such gasification.
    Critics can always be found.
    1. Killj
      Killj 16 December 2015 08: 09
      -1
      good roads, electricity, gas is the foundation without which there will be nothing. National projects always lead to prosperity.
  • Seneca
    Seneca 15 December 2015 01: 03
    0
    Tomorrow, on Wednesday, Obama will decide ... whether to export American oil and gas or not. Industrialists complain ... all oil storage facilities are flooded under the "neck." If the purpose of the current price drop for "energy" is to punish Russia ... then according to all canons it should be a positive decision to start exporting nefty.Poka Obama resists and does not give the go-ahead, a freak.
  • Governor
    Governor 15 December 2015 02: 23
    +1
    I have a house in the Kaluga region, not a deaf village, quite an easily accessible holiday village.
    So, about 6 years ago, gas was supplied to those who wished for about 200 thousand rubles from home. Not bad, huh? Left the bottle ...
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 December 2015 04: 41
    0
    Come on, for the first time, or what?
    Well, yes, the price of oil has fallen.
    So there is motivation for the development of other export destinations.
    And on the other hand, maybe we should drop fuel prices in our country?
    At least sighting for agricultural producers and builders with transporters.
  • Dark_Filin
    Dark_Filin 15 December 2015 08: 44
    +1
    Not very interesting, because the answer to the question asked in the title - "What is the future barrel preparing for us?" no. There are lengthy arguments about what is already obvious to those people who follow the news and at least sometimes use their head and memory. The article will be of interest only to those people who do not follow the news at all, and suddenly decided to delve into what is happening.
  • South Ural
    South Ural 15 December 2015 14: 11
    0
    In the world of economics, nothing has changed since historical times. If the country does not modernize its producing part of the economy in time, it will perish slowly (Ottoman Empire, etc.) or quickly. And, no matter how strange it may sound, in today's world, as at all times, the faster residents and their leaders realize the need for change, or rather evolutionary change, not in private, but in social (global, universal) changes, the less painful and the issue of overcoming the crisis is being radically resolved. And this is culture in the broadest sense of the word!
    A cultured person is not one who knows how to say hello, give way to elders, etc. (not only that). Culture is a system of views on life, its history and development, the ability to take into account previous experience and minimize losses not only for your beloved, but also for the society in which you live, with which you are closely connected!
  • Pretoreanec
    Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 18: 54
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    Without a sucker - life is bad ..

    request
    good morning . Nikolay.


    Quote: afdjhbn67
    The Americans will survive their shale oil and will not notice .. investments will flow into other areas and the FSE

    Of course. and with a hypothetical increase in oil prices. wells will be printed out again - this is like a reserve fund - only the grandmas don't end there laughing
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    It will be harder for us if we add the costs of two wars (I hope no one believes that this is inexpensive and comparable to exercises)

    + Crimea. + World Cup - somehow forgot about him
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    and a bunch of projects with no impact in the future.

    Yes . ships with a pipe .... stream (insert the country you want) - march along the Black Sea like a dog on a leash, from Bulgarian to Turkish, then, like to Greek - the shores
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    We are waiting for "investment in human capital" ??? according to Ulyukaev

    These phrases sound beautiful - but no one knows. what do they mean.


    Well, yes, yes ...
    That's when the barrel of oil is rolled up to $ 20 (and it will certainly be rolled: the Fed will raise the discount rate from day to day, the United States will lift the ban on oil exports, Iran, after the sanctions are lifted, will enter the market with its oil), and they will give it to the Russian Federation for the dollar " even more "wooden" (and how else: the budget needs to be filled, and the lying ruble is the very thing to fill the budget, as Vladimir Vladimirovich, a great connoisseur of economics said), then let's look at the consciousness of patriotic shirnarmass!)))
  • Pretoreanec
    Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 19: 15
    0
    Quote: Zomanus
    Come on, for the first time, or what?
    Well, yes, the price of oil has fallen.
    So there is motivation for the development of other export destinations.
    And on the other hand, maybe we should drop fuel prices in our country?
    At least sighting for agricultural producers and builders with transporters.


    1. Look, my dear, on the dynamics of trade between the Russian Federation and foreign countries over the past year)))
    The volume of Russian exports fell by 25-30 (it’s a shame to talk about the share in the total volume of exports of high value-added products).

    2. At the expense of dropping fuel prices in the Russian Federation: who are you going to write a petition to, my dear? Sechin, or immediately to the tsar-father? And what do you think they will patch holes in their export earnings ?! Praaaavilno! By raising domestic Russian prices (there are no damned Saudis and ovs here - what I want, I turn it over)! So, in my opinion, "grandfather's village" will be more effective to write!)))

    And you (with a small letter, not because of disrespect for you specifically, but because patriotic tunnels are meant) all have some illusions, like children, chesslovo!)))
    Quote: Zomanus
    Come on, for the first time, or what?
    Well, yes, the price of oil has fallen.
    So there is motivation for the development of other export destinations.
    And on the other hand, maybe we should drop fuel prices in our country?
    At least sighting for agricultural producers and builders with transporters.


    1. Look, my dear, on the dynamics of trade between the Russian Federation and foreign countries over the past year)))
    The volume of Russian exports fell by 25-30 (it’s a shame to talk about the share in the total volume of exports of high value-added products).

    2. At the expense of dropping fuel prices in the Russian Federation: who are you going to write a petition to, my dear? Sechin, or immediately to the tsar-father? And what do you think they will patch holes in their export earnings ?! Praaaavilno! By raising domestic Russian prices (there are no damned Saudis and ovs here - what I want, I turn it over)! So, in my opinion, "grandfather's village" will be more effective to write!)))

    And you (with a small letter, not because of disrespect for you specifically, but because patriotic tunnels are meant) all have some illusions, like children, chesslovo!)))
  • Pretoreanec
    Pretoreanec 15 December 2015 19: 20
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    I look, my forecast for oil moderators did not really like ...)

    I reread the rules: I did not break anything - everything is correct)

    Can you explain?
  • Stalingrad
    Stalingrad 25 December 2015 13: 52
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    It's time to sell artificially impaired oil for the same artificially impaired gold.