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S. Glazyev: “The policy of demonizing the rejection of us in the XVI century”

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S. Glazyev: “The policy of demonizing the rejection of us in the XVI century”



It is necessary to separate the economic laws spelled out in textbooks and the laws of real life.

The Second International Forum “In Search of Lost Growth” was held at the Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation.

The main agenda of the event was the current situation in the Russian economy.

Known throughout Russia, experts tried to find the answer to the question, how to return to sustainable economic growth?

The ruble exchange rate falls along with the price of oil, prices on the contrary rise, and wages and pensions are not indexed. The wallets of an ordinary Russian citizen are getting empty every day, and accordingly the number of poor people in our country is growing.

In itself, all this is not newsIt was much more interesting to find out what the representatives of the establishment think about this.

The journalist of the KM.RU portal Elena Longa prepared an overview of the most significant moments.

Of particular interest was the report of Sergei Glazyev. He did not just declare the need for investment in the Russian economy, but gave a forecast for what awaits the economy in the future, if he continues to follow the models adopted by the Russian financial authorities. In his report, Glazyev noted:

“We need to clearly separate the economic laws spelled out in textbooks and the laws of real life ... The first law of economics is that there is no modern economic growth without a loan. And when we are trying to stabilize the economy by credit compression, this means that only those who are very strong, who have already developed, who have an excellent market position, can live.

Those who have opportunities to develop, but who do not have working capital, they can not live a normal life. This is exactly what happened here. Our economy developed when credit was available, when our interest rates declined, and the economy began to fall, when interest rates began to rise.

It's amazing why such elementary laws are not understood by our monetary authorities, it’s enough to look at the profitability structure of our economy in order to understand that the increase in interest rates cuts off most of the industries from getting a loan ...

The Russian company has two options: either to return loans, since it is unprofitable to continue to produce and pay high interest and reduce production, or considering that all this policy was accompanied by the devaluation of the ruble, just raise prices, this applies to high-tech industry, engineering, etc. .

Under these conditions, banks begin to withdraw money from the real sector and send it to currency speculation. The rate of profit today on the Moscow Stock Exchange of the order of 80% from investors, it is not surprising that the volume of operations on the currency exchange grew 2 times this year. This is many times higher than the entire volume of GDP in our country.

Everything happened in accordance with our forecasts. We have no money, so economic growth is declining. The policy of demonetisation that is being pursued today is an archaic policy that throws us away into the 16th century. Today’s authorities use outdated economic models that artificially limit the money supply. As a result, there is no money, and accordingly there is no investment in our economy.

There will be no investment - there will be no growth. As an example, during the crisis of 98, when V. Gerashchenko and E. Primakov did the opposite that the IMF advised, they refused to raise the interest rate, and inflation decreased several times, the industry revived and grew with a record 2% per month. And the question arises, what do our monetary authorities do? In our country, the level of investment in 2 is now less than it was in the USSR. ”

In our opinion, Glazyev offered a more complete explanation of the problems with investments that should contribute to the recovery of the Russian economy. In particular, he voiced the mechanism that allows the industry to provide affordable loans.

It is important that these measures do not involve the uncontrolled issue of currency. Thus, Glazyev responded to critics who believe that lending to the industry would allegedly lead to hyperinflation.

On the margins of the forum, we managed to talk with Viktor Gerashchenko, the ex-chairman of the Central Bank, and we asked him if the extra money in the economy really was scary?

Here is his answer:

“If for money circulation, with the increase in prices that goes, and some indexation in wages and pensions is not enough cash, then they should just be printed and that's it. What is the problem here?

Inflation does not arise because of cash, it arises when the Central Bank, using its emission right, issues additional money, including cash, and lends the economy excessively, then inflationary tendencies arise. A purely cash currency must be kept in amounts that are necessary for remuneration, pensions and benefits. ”

In turn, Anton Siluanov made it clear that the old model of the economy, based on oil revenues, has exhausted itself, and therefore it is necessary to find a new model. According to him, the main investments should be investments in human capital.

The president of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs Alexander Shokhin sticks to this idea:

“One of the ways out in the current situation, when there is no investment, is to expand development institutions. In particular, the industry development fund, but the resources that the fund manages, and this is 20 billion rubles, is enough for 50-60 projects, which is completely insufficient for the tasks set for the fund. I would like a new law on control and supervisory activities and a law on self-regulation to be adopted early next year. ”

It is easy to see that the speakers have no illusions about the real economic situation of our country. Concrete recipes are proposed for achieving sustainable growth, but with all due respect to the forum participants, it remains unclear who exactly will ensure the recovery and further development of the Russian economy.
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  1. chikenous59
    chikenous59 13 December 2015 14: 55 New
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    Why does Putin not implement what Glazyev says? Doesn’t want or do not give him?
    1. Atrix
      Atrix 13 December 2015 15: 08 New
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      Quote: chikenous59
      Doesn’t want or do not give him?

      I am amused by comments when they say that Putin is not allowed to do something. Have you seen Putin's support rating ??? Yes, if Putin had dispersed the entire government tomorrow and hung it on pillars in front of the White House with the wording that they did not allow the country to develop, his rating would have grown even more.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 13 December 2015 15: 14 New
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        I am amused by comments when they say that Putin is not allowed to do something. Have you seen Putin’s support rating ???
        You, what, really, consider V.V. Putin, the dictator of the universe. There, at the top, the atmosphere is discharged. And, in her, such eagles fly. So that, maybe they don’t give, and can’t, by definition. He, after all, is just a man, and you, by some kind of Almighty represent him. belay
        1. Atrix
          Atrix 13 December 2015 15: 24 New
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          Quote: avva2012
          You, what, really, consider V.V. Putin, the dictator of the universe.

          Where did you see that I wrote that he is a dictator ??? I wrote that Putin has unlimited support for the majority of the country's population. So there is no need to talk about the fact that someone does not allow him to do something. Maybe Rotenberg or Sechin or Yakunin, or maybe Timchenko did not give Putin something to carry out ??? Do you believe it yourself ???
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 13 December 2015 15: 30 New
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            What does the support of the population have to do with it? Do you really think that someone really remembers about the population? The mechanics of power, alas, "that's the way it is." Maybe Rotenberg or Sechin or Yakunin, or maybe Timchenko did not give Putin something to carry out ??? Do you believe it yourself ??? Maybe not these full names, but maybe these. I will answer honestly, not that I believe, but practically guess. Logic, a terrible thing.
            1. Mahmut
              Mahmut 13 December 2015 17: 17 New
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              According to Glazyev, the cause of the crisis is high loan rates. Allegedly, young enterprises do not have working capital - so they do not develop. And then the question is - is it only beginner businessmen do not have working capital. Now no one has them, even the largest enterprises. But back in the mid-90s, enterprises had working capital. The banking system of that time was not developed, everyone survived on his own, they did not even apply for borrowed funds. So who forced our industrialists to take a banker's needle and become dependent on the next "dose"? After all, it’s a no brainer that no industrial enterprise has any chances to pay off the banks. And they did not do the same with individuals. Who, if not personally, Putin pushed into our lives such a podlyana as a hippie loan. And why only on hippo debts do the courts decide to throw people out into the street, disregarding all other constitutional rights of citizens. And who, if not personally, Putin has imposed obligatory intermediaries on the population in the form of control campaigns. Our country is the country of the victorious bureaucrat. Or, as grandfather Lenin would say, the dictatorship of the messengers. So the question of the interest rate on the loan is nothing more than a call for a bull tapeworm to loosen its grip so as not to immediately kill your donor.
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 13 December 2015 18: 58 New
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                Quote: Mahmut
                The reason for the crisis according to Glazyev is high loan rates. Allegedly, young enterprises do not have working capital - so they do not develop.

                Are you reading inattentively, or is it just "against Glazyev"?
                If you go to the personal website http://www.glazev.ru/ and read the materials carefully, you will understand that Glazyev worked out a complete and complete program for overcoming the crisis. Here are just no one to use his achievements ..
                Quote: Mahmut
                unless beginner businessmen have no working capital. Nobody has them now, even the largest enterprises.
                Now re-read:
                only those who are very strong, who have already developed, and who have an excellent market position can live.

                Those who have the opportunity to develop, but who do not have working capital, those cannot live normally. Here we have just such a situation and happened.
                Where do you see the conversation about "start-up businessmen? Most of the enterprises - even those that survived in the 90s, even large ones - are in a situation of acute shortage of working capital!
                At the very least, only large-scale trade is feeling confident - notorious retailers who have set up many giant shopping centers across Russia and squeeze "all the juices" out of product manufacturers! But they, I think, do not have much time left to flourish: there are fewer buyers, and the amount of money they spend is less.
                Judging by myself: before my wife and I drove into ... the same "Globe", for example, and bought 5-6 thousand for a week. And now, mainly in small "proven" shops, and - 2.5-3 thousand.
                And how many of those who cannot afford such money ??
                1. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 13 December 2015 23: 03 New
                  -17 qualifying.
                  You will understand that Glazyev worked out a complete and complete program for overcoming the crisis. Here are just no one to use his achievements ..


                  What are you saying?! From what is Glazyev, for all his rich state activities, nowhere, never and by nothing not marked by success? Why is this genius, no one anywhere and never recalls as an example of perfect housekeeping, wise decisions and strict order? wassat
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 14 December 2015 01: 59 New
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                    Quote: Asadullah
                    for all his rich state activities

                    On this side of his biography, I’m somehow a little out of touch. Enlighten? .. Since the question
                    Quote: Asadullah
                    Why this genius, no one anywhere and never remembers as an example of perfect farming
                    suggests that Sergei Yurich managed to undetected master the post of prime minister - no less!
                    1. Alexashka964
                      Alexashka964 16 December 2015 05: 56 New
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                      Do not tear so much slippers opponents Glazyva.
                      Quote: avia1991
                      On this side of his biography, I’m somehow a little out of touch. Enlighten?

                      To begin with, S.Yu. in the government has been hanging around since 1991 (a long record of service !!!), even methyl as president! Tamed by Putin in 2012.
                      In my personal opinion (IMHO), Putin’s clip, for the entire time of its existence, has done NOTHING anything useful for Russia. Everything is solely for personal balance and well-being.
                      Quote: avia1991
                      suggests that Sergei Yurich managed to undetected master the post of prime minister - no less!

                      Is the post of adviser to the president not enough?
                2. dark_65
                  dark_65 14 December 2015 06: 24 New
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                  everything becomes clear .. if you see who is in the government .. the same amateurs at best ... did they manage production? banks? they spent their whole lives managing their salaries for dusty work ..
                  Medvedev.Shokhin.Nabiulina.Manturov ... other .... what are they noted in the production?
              2. Locksmith
                Locksmith 13 December 2015 19: 05 New
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                Quote: Mahmut
                Who else but Putin personally pushed into our lives such a vile thing as a mortgage loan

                So recklessly, you probably shouldn’t be scattered, Putin is trying to make our country necessary and irreplaceable for the world, to integrate it into the general economy. You can wave the saber but not a problem, but it is impossible to throw a revolving dough with this saber to the factory, and now, for a moment, a good CNC adjuster starts from 200 kr (kilo rubles), and in connection with a general decrease in living standards, all 350 kr, and it is justified, few of us can imagine something bought to the world, even less can justify it for a purchase = this is marketing, not our dumb one, and the world, we think that advertising is the engine of trade = they have long switched to theories developed in the USSR, scientifically developed winked , we safely forgot it.
                Returning to our rams, we are very good at making weapons that bring 100% victory in the WAR, but so far we have been doing simple household things with great difficulty = well, there are simply no investors willing to invest in all kinds of coffee spoons, forks, and therefore there are no specialists in combs and razors, it’s not a problem for us to calculate the ballistics of one-turn Progress — it brings warmth and life to our astronauts, this is an extremely high level of achievement = but we don’t have normal plates, we produce a lot of all sorts of related products (under license wassat ), tiles, cups, toilets.
                I want to buy a good precision drilling machine, so for the soul, a hobby so to speak - please Corvette 411 at your service, but damn it is a purebred CHINESE copy of the Czech machine ....... fool , it can’t cost sane money, and made purely in Chinese, once. am
                1. Alf
                  Alf 13 December 2015 20: 32 New
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                  Quote: Locksmith
                  Putin is trying to make our country with you necessary and indispensable to the world, to integrate it into the general economy.

                  Indispensable for what? And how to integrate into the world economy, as a gas station?
                  Quote: Locksmith
                  a good CNC adjuster starts at 200 cr (kilo rubles), and due to the general decrease in living standards, all 350 cr

                  This is where such earnings? In the original table? In Samara, a good CNC adjuster gets a maximum of 40 thousand and for this he lives in a factory.
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 13 December 2015 20: 37 New
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                    Quote: Alf
                    a good CNC adjuster gets a maximum of 40 thousand

                    Well .. up to 50 maybe in the Central Federal District. But in this case, we are talking about cool specialists, of whom a dozen will be typed into the city! And the tales of an average salary of 36 (or already 38?) Thousand - this, in my opinion, doesn’t even work for downs laughing
                    1. asiat_61
                      asiat_61 13 December 2015 21: 12 New
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                      This is the average temperature in the hospital. But it looks beautiful, and zp not more than 15 rubles, and you still need to search.
                2. asiat_61
                  asiat_61 13 December 2015 21: 09 New
                  +5
                  indispensable to the world, to integrate it into the general economy .. It was clearly said, enough to be built in somewhere, you need to create your own.
                3. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 13 December 2015 23: 08 New
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                  , it can’t cost sane money, and made purely in Chinese, once.


                  There are different options, you are looking at the cheapest. For the soul and for a hobby, machine tools are assembled with their own hands, ordering nodes. so you can save on your own assembly, where you will be satisfied with some Chinese components.

                  In general, bow to you, I wish good luck to your endeavors. If a person sings a machine in his soul, then not everything is lost in our lives. smile
                4. kepmor
                  kepmor 14 December 2015 17: 03 New
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                  Well, you’re a storyteller, my friend, however!
              3. Wheel
                Wheel 13 December 2015 19: 33 New
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                Quote: Mahmut
                But in the mid-90s, enterprises had working capital.
                Ek, you have enough!
                Working capital at enterprises ended exactly with the beginning of hyperinflation, that is, from the 92nd year.
                It was for this purpose that it was conceived to deprive the industry of working capital.
                1. Mahmut
                  Mahmut 14 December 2015 05: 42 New
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                  Working capital at enterprises ended exactly with the beginning of hyperinflation, that is, from the 92nd year.

                  Most enterprises, but not all. Some of them, not related to the state order, survived and retained their working capital despite hyperinflation. BARTER helped them.
              4. Bayun
                Bayun 13 December 2015 20: 44 New
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                Namely, usurious (commercial)% in itself is the root of evil. The ban on making money out of money is one of the basic principles of the New World economy.
              5. syndicalist
                syndicalist 13 December 2015 21: 05 New
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                I will add that next year Putin will break Brezhnev’s record of being in power in modern times (I hope that no one has any illusions about the 4 Medvedev years of the throne-holding). And what, we will talk for another 20 years about how difficult it is for him to overcome Yeltsin’s devastation?
                1. Alibekulu
                  Alibekulu 13 December 2015 22: 02 New
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                  Quote: syndicalist
                  I will add that next year Putin will beat Brezhnev's record of being in power.
                  Now the situation will be worse recourse I think.
                  Then with Brezhnev, at least everything was clear that he would not last long ..
                  And Putin is "so young," so good .. lol
                  1. IS-80
                    IS-80 13 December 2015 22: 19 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Alibekulu

                    And Putin is "so young," so good ..

                    It will still rule for so long that Kazakhstan will become part of the Russian Federation. laughing
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 13 December 2015 22: 45 New
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                    Quote: Alibekulu
                    And Putin is "so young"

                    And young October is ahead! Ё !!!! good
              6. atalef
                atalef 13 December 2015 22: 43 New
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                Quote: Mahmut
                The reason for the crisis according to Glazyev is high loan rates. Allegedly, young enterprises do not have working capital - so they do not develop. And then the question is - unless beginning businessmen have no working capital. Nobody has them now, even the largest enterprises.

                Glazyev offers a quality substitution program i.e. practically that. what the Central Bank of America did to exit their crisis.
                They did it. in Europe went the other way. They squeezed and saved - the result is 8 years of zero growth.
              7. Asadullah
                Asadullah 13 December 2015 22: 57 New
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                The reason for the crisis according to Glazyev is high loan rates.


                Nonsense. According to Glazyev, the crisis is due to the lack of a large money supply. I would only look at the dollar, if there were twice as much money on hand ......

                For a mortgage, but do not tell me as an example which country in the world where the mortgage is regulated differently than in Russia? In terms of the best side.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 13 December 2015 23: 05 New
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                  Quote: Asadullah
                  Nonsense. According to Glazyev, the crisis is due to the lack of a large money supply. I would only look at the dollar, if there were twice as much money on hand ......

                  Dollar - 120-150
                  Quote: Asadullah
                  and a mortgage, but do not tell me as an example which country in the world where the mortgage is regulated differently than in Russia? In terms of the best side.

                  People simply do not understand that money is the same product.
                  It's like a sausage - only the central bank makes it, and further down the chain, each one sells with its extra charge.
                  1. IS-80
                    IS-80 13 December 2015 23: 22 New
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                    Quote: atalef
                    Dollar - 120-150

                    Has the bath rickety with horseradish? 100 no more.
                    Quote: atalef
                    People simply do not understand that money is the same product.
                    It's like a sausage - only the central bank makes it, and further down the chain, each one sells with its extra charge.

                    Atalef, you and your financial speculations have completely come off reality. Money is never a commodity.
                    1. Mahmut
                      Mahmut 14 December 2015 05: 51 New
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                      Nonsense. According to Glazyev, the crisis is due to the lack of a large money supply.

                      The additional money supply is generated not by the printing facilities of GOSZNAK, but by the desire of the population to take out loans. That is, a low interest rate on the loan. So what's the "nonsense"?
                      1. sergach
                        sergach 14 December 2015 21: 53 New
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                        In fact, Glazyev offers the right to lend to enterprises, not the population. That is, the population will survive the high rate of consumer credit, and enterprises will not be able to develop without affordable loans. He painted all this in detail in his program. The main problem there is to prevent cheap loans from speculating in currency and securities. Glazyev proposed ways to solve this problem. The Central Bank has control capabilities. Why money doesn’t go into a choking economy is a question for the Central Bank.
                        One thing surprises me. Why do we get hanged out noodles about the fight against inflation, if it is known that inflation cannot be lower than the interest rate at which money falls into the economy? This is math elementary school. The relatively low inflation before the known events is explained by the fact that the economy received money through foreign investments and foreign currency loans at a relatively small percentage. Paradoxically, for neoliberal monetarists, cheap money for enterprises will lead to lower inflation.
                      2. yehat
                        yehat 14 December 2015 23: 31 New
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                        the population should receive money not directly through loans, which is nonsense, but through normal earnings. In the Russian Federation, ordinary labor is still 2-5 times underestimated in comparison with Europe (“specialists” parasitizing on mass poverty, speculators and other creative rabble are not counted).
                        you need to understand that credit is an extreme tool, not an ordinary one.
                      3. Dimas54
                        Dimas54 15 December 2015 09: 48 New
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                        Is that in Europe labor productivity is several times higher? most of us want to get a lot and do nothing.
                      4. yehat
                        yehat 15 December 2015 20: 08 New
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                        what labor productivity? the one we are being advertised?
                        all this lies! performance differs in plus except perhaps a little in Germany and Japan, the rest is close to ours. The reasons are in financial results and their measurement of labor, and not in labor itself
                        and of course I’m not talking about vacancies of 10-20 tr, which, thanks to migrant workers, are not enough.
                      5. Alf
                        Alf 15 December 2015 21: 40 New
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                        Quote: Dimas54
                        most of us want to get a lot and do nothing.

                        Equipment in our factories which year of manufacture? How can you increase productivity if the machine is older than the worker?
                2. yehat
                  yehat 14 December 2015 23: 28 New
                  +5
                  excess lending to growth in consumption is guaranteed by .op
                  But no one bothers to lend real investments.
                  Moscow stockbrokers will scream - but nowhere, but that is not so.
                  It is necessary to create conditions under which long money and profitability below 50% had a chance to live. After that, we can talk about the real prospects for the growth of not the raw material direction of the economy, but not artificial inflation of the gross product due to sales and consumption on credit. Finally, it is time to remember that human labor is valuable and stop doing idiocy, producing hundreds of thousands of meaningless managers, not to drag millions of gaster to work, but to make work a worthy occupation.
            2. yehat
              yehat 14 December 2015 23: 21 New
              +5
              many religions forbid making money a commodity, considering it immoral
              congratulations, you are immoral, therefore, you need to be isolated from society
          2. yehat
            yehat 14 December 2015 23: 18 New
            +3
            do not reduce everything to the interest rate.
            speculation with a large money supply, provoking inflation should be punished, there should be a real investment market, and not an exchange with toilet paper
            whatever one may say, borrowed capital is the basis at the beginning of growth.
            Now the interest rate, combined with taxes and other conditions, actually have a 95% ban on initiatives.
            but there are other factors, many of which cannot be considered separately - high social tax without real effect from its payment, ownership of aligarchy resources, poor infrastructure development, unfavorable foreign trade conditions, problems in logistics, permanently high inflation, which destroys the accumulation of the poor and kills the chances on the growth of the middle class, the dominance of speculative business and aggressive monopolies, the climate and much more.
        2. avdkrd
          avdkrd 14 December 2015 02: 21 New
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          Quote: Mahmut
          Glazyev crisis is caused by high loan rates

          Yes, it's not about rates, it's about the lack of money. Rates in the end correspond to inflation, but the banks are regulated and it turns out like in a joke - they showed them the toilet and brought the toilet, but NO toilet paper. The problem is where the money comes from in the Russian banking system — commercial banks receive an interbank loan and report for each credit decision to the Central Bank. At the same time, the Central Bank prints money not based on the Development Plan of the real sector of the economy, but in accordance with the instructions of the Fed.
          As a result, there is an LLC with a good credit history, there is a production base, there are raw materials and suppliers, there are framework contracts for the purchase of products, but the bank does not give money for the purchase of equipment because the turnover for the last three quarters does not meet the requirements. Leasing for the same reason refuses, although it seems to be protected by "the very least". How can a Russian manufacturer survive? How to raise new production without borrowed funds? Americans easily lease American-made equipment by including an insurance company in the scheme and the customer only needs to have the opportunity or money to start production. It's impossible with us. Business aid programs do not work and are very corrupt. I don’t know how the current system can become a support for the state under sanctions, but in fact under conditions of war. How can the national currency be tied to the enemy's currency, while only the enemy openly declares that his goal is to destroy the Russian economy and change the government. Everyone understands that by selling oil and gas for dollars, Russia is simply financing the United States, in fact filling the dollar with real value, but in reality no attempts are made to change the situation. Until Russia has its own emission center, it will remain a colony and our banks, including the Central Bank, will pursue a policy of destroying production and business.
        3. madjik
          madjik 14 December 2015 09: 01 New
          +4
          capitalism...
        4. yegor_k
          yegor_k 15 December 2015 08: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: Locksmith
          CNC adjuster starts at 200 cr (kilo rubles), and in connection with the general decrease in living standards, and all 350 cr,

          Where have you seen such RFPs? to the installer maximum 50 tr they’ll put it and not everywhere, where they work for 20.
        5. kazachyok69
          kazachyok69 16 December 2015 14: 31 New
          -1
          Verity is 100% !!!! What kind of entrepreneurs are there? What means are there? The population has NO MONEY! More than 90% do not have any savings, and loan debts to 10 trillion rubles are selected ..
    2. 34 region
      34 region 13 December 2015 15: 55 New
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      I don’t know what they give or don’t give to the president. But in my opinion they defend only their personal interests. Here it is necessary to push not personal interests, but the interests of the country. Well, they introduced the Plato type system. Assure a system for collecting money. Private fundraisers. The state cannot collect; private fraternities can! They could also raise the price of diesel fuel. It is mainly driven by heavy trucks. Destroy the canvas. And railroad cars of 60 tons in weight do not destroy the embankment canvas! Even in this matter the government is not visible. Private business only.
      1. Xxxl
        Xxxl 13 December 2015 17: 23 New
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        Well, they introduced the Plato type system.

        About Plato recently I liked how Dvorkovich said: we plan to collect next year 40 billion-29 billion on roads, 11 Rotenberg and Co.
        I am surprised that they have missed overhaul contributions.
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 13 December 2015 19: 14 New
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        Quote: Region 34
        Even in this matter the government is not visible. Private business only.

        And the lord, in fact, has long been to to tear the country to pieces, sell everything "to private hands" - and then, they say, we will live! Each "owner type" will take care of his own interest, cherish "his own piece" of the economy - and together we will begin to flourish! AHA! SCHCHAZZ! wassat Strategic sectors, large-scale industry, natural resources - this should be nationalized and managed by the state!
        And "Big Business" .. well, who is against - let it work! Let Messrs. Alikperovs, Deripaska, Timchenkos and the like explain the origin of the funds with which they acquired their enterprises ?!
        And if all this really "was acquired by back-breaking labor" - for God's sake, honor and respect for such people! wassat laughing
        And if not? .. SELECT EVERYTHING. Yes, they are experienced managers - well, let the directors remain .. SALARY. But no - please: take a LOAN IN THE BANK, build YOUR factories - and get your millions on! But - already OWN, after repayment of the loan, in the very conditions in which the country lives! Then it will be HONEST BUSINESS.
        1. Alf
          Alf 13 December 2015 20: 34 New
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          Quote: avia1991
          Let the gentlemen Alikperov, Deripaska, Timchenko and the like explain the origin of the funds for which they acquired their enterprises ?!

          Rockefeller-I can explain the origin of every one in a million, with the exception of the first.
        2. asiat_61
          asiat_61 13 December 2015 21: 27 New
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          I don’t add much. There are also economists in the West, and they unanimously argue that the current liberal model of capitalism is not viable. But we are stubbornly introducing this model, although it is clear that things are not moving, but they are pushing with stubbornness. Westerners, who are against the liberoid system, are also being sprinkled there.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 13 December 2015 21: 57 New
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            Quote: asiat_61
            In the West, there are also economists, and they unanimously argue

            Do not tell me who? At least a surname? Just interesting to read. hi
          2. Asadullah
            Asadullah 13 December 2015 23: 13 New
            -1
            By the way, Westerners, who are against the liberoid system, are also being spoken there.


            Yah! Who are they? And what is this "liberoid system"? How about China? Or is it not suitable exclusively for Russia?
        3. REVOCOM
          REVOCOM 14 December 2015 23: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: avia1991
          Strategic sectors, large-scale industry, natural resources - this should be nationalized and managed by the state!

          1. ioann1
            ioann1 15 December 2015 15: 48 New
            +1
            Thanks, great link! Gref has recently developed vigorous activity. And besides, he exposed himself! This is how all liberal ministers and oligarchs belong to the people.
            Only these gentlemen do not understand what awaits them in the next world. And many are already on this sinful earth. Various murders in rich families and other "expensive" crimes: payback for an excessive love of money and power.
    3. Gorjelin
      Gorjelin 13 December 2015 17: 08 New
      22
      Maybe Rotenberg or Sechin or Yakunin, or maybe Timchenko did not give Putin something to carry out ??? Do you believe it yourself ???

      It may well be so. People in spite of support, etc. amorphous enough, if, for example, a coup happens tomorrow, neither you nor I will most likely rush to defend Putin. Power is based on strength and organization, and not on some support from the people.

      Putin came to power not alone, but with the support of a certain circle of people who also pursue their interests. And anyone who managed at least 2-able subordinates perfectly understands that a person has no absolute power and cannot be.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 13 December 2015 17: 19 New
        12
        And anyone who controlled at least 2-being able to subordinate perfectly understands that a person has no absolute power and cannot be.
        Do not diminish or add, the way it is. hi
        1. atalef
          atalef 13 December 2015 22: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: avva2012
          And anyone who controlled at least 2-being able to subordinate perfectly understands that a person has no absolute power and cannot be.
          Do not diminish or add, the way it is. hi

          There are no irreplaceable. (This is about 2 subordinates)
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 13 December 2015 23: 08 New
            +7
            Quote: atalef
            There are no irreplaceable. (This is about 2 subordinates)

            Atalef here the most important thing is that they also do not think about you. laughing
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 13 December 2015 19: 24 New
        +9
        Quote: Gorjelin
        if, for example, a coup d'etat happens tomorrow, neither you nor I will most likely rush to defend Putin.

        Is not a fact. There are enough people who rush .. from the couch! laughing
        But seriously: No, most likely, we will not rush. And everything is explained simply: people do not see the UNIQUE position "For Russia". And the tacit reluctance to "fight for Putin" would mean a protest not against him personally, but rather against
        Quote: Gorjelin
        a certain circle of people who also pursue their interests.
        and, obviously, affect the decisions of the President.
        1. Gorjelin
          Gorjelin 13 December 2015 20: 37 New
          +5
          And the tacit reluctance to "fight for Putin" would mean a protest not against him personally, but rather against

          There is a desire to fight not for Putin and not for some strange people, but for Russia, for our good life and for a decent life for our children. For this, you can fight and work.

          I mean that no one will do anything by himself, there must be a mobilizing force, which, according to the logic of things, should be a state, a party, etc.

          Just Putin or any other leader should rely on a constructive foundation, on an organized people. Then and only then will everything be fine. And not when the support is dadi with the dough, gasprom or I don’t know who. Then the vector is clearly in the wrong direction.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 13 December 2015 21: 16 New
            +8
            Quote: Gorjelin
            then, when the support is dadi with the dough, gasprom or I don’t know who
            Why don't I know who? Just uncles with the dough are the mainstay. And they allow them to "lean" on themselves exactly until the "leaning" suits them and behaves "correctly".
            All the same, in the inheritance of power by the monarchist dynasties, a certain meaning was probably what
    4. Asadullah
      Asadullah 13 December 2015 22: 51 New
      -8
      Do you believe it yourself ???


      Listen, why exactly Rotenberg, Sechin, Yakunin and Timchenko? Why not Cipollino, Buratino and Cheburashka? Or, finally, Vasya Grachkin, the chef of the Kremlin canteen? Why should Putin hang the whole team of specialists, because of a certain Glazyev, who has not created anything anywhere except his "brilliant revelations." Why is Glazyev kicked out with all his limbs, to proposals for responsible posts? Isn't it because you have to bear responsibility? Today Glazyev resembles a kind adviser whom he invites the carpenter, who has pounded himself on the finger with a hammer, to cut off one Faberge - the finger will not hurt so much.

      Why are the same people waiting for the collapse of the American green, scolding the United States for monetary policy and praying for Glazyev, who offers the same policy for Russia? The only difference is that the Americans are burning an excess of the dollar in a fire of global demand, using the non-return valve to return the dollar to their market, and what will Russia do with an excess of assets? Will Glazyev sell for currency or resources?

      Why does an empty place become significant and heavy if some sounds that people like begin to speak to the sound of the wave?
      1. atalef
        atalef 13 December 2015 23: 01 New
        -4
        Quote: Asadullah
        Listen, why exactly Rotenberg, Sechin, Yakunin and Timchenko? Why not Chipollino, Pinocchio and Cheburashka?

        Fox - Alice, Cat - Basilio and Shapoklyak - are more suitable

        Quote: Asadullah
        Why Putin should hang the whole team of specialists,

        People want blood
        Quote: Asadullah
        because of a certain Glazyev, who created nothing and nowhere, except for his "brilliant revelations"

        Well, it’s always easy to prophesy.
        Quote: Asadullah
        Why are the same people waiting for the collapse of the American green, scolding the United States for monetary policy and praying for Glazyev, who offers the same policy for Russia?

        Asadullah - do not tear the pattern.
        You just took and blamed Glazyev for liberalism, Americanism, and you can say that he is an agent of the Fed’s influence
        Quote: Asadullah
        The only difference is that the Americans are burning an excess of the dollar in a fire of global demand, using the non-return valve to return the dollar to their market, and what will Russia do with an excess of assets?

        Putin will round his eyes and ask, why the hell is inflation 3-digit? Sir, already without eyes?
        Quote: Asadullah
        Why does an empty place become significant and heavy if some sounds that people like begin to speak to the sound of the wave?

        Because in Russia they always loved unrecognized geniuses. false prophets and holy fools.
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 13 December 2015 23: 16 New
          +7
          Quote: atalef
          Because in Russia they always loved unrecognized geniuses. false prophets and holy fools.

          Here I can not help but ask a question. I feel that in vain, but nonetheless. smile And why then did you leave Russia dear you, our comrade atalef? laughing
          1. Banshee
            Banshee 13 December 2015 23: 41 New
            +6
            Big competition
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 14 December 2015 01: 52 New
        +6
        Quote: Asadullah
        Why is Glazyev kicked off with all limbs on proposals for responsible posts?

        Come on, come on, tell me? WHAT and WHEN was he offered responsible, from what he "kicked out"?
    5. oblako
      oblako 14 December 2015 04: 59 New
      +4
      The unlimited support of the country's population actually means very little in the modern realities of the state system. At one time, we all endlessly supported the referendum of the USSR and this did not prevent it from collapsing. Who will listen to the people ?! This is what happens when there is a separation from reality in the minds. You still talk about democracy ... I would like that they would not interfere, but they interfere, and here you do not need to believe, you just need to know. Khodorkovsky’s lawsuit doesn’t interfere with 50 billion ... And even with state monopolies, things aren’t as good as they would like ... Offshore companies don’t interfere - it’s impossible to return, etc.
    6. shpilkerman
      shpilkerman 15 December 2015 19: 59 New
      -1
      Too many characters.
      With your logic, Putin would long ago have led the country out of the crisis, but what is stopping it? Is Putin waiting for a joke to support 100%? What is the reason Putin is still hesitating? After all, no one bothers him, what is the problem?
      I apologize, couch general, but do you even have a higher education? And then all kinds of locksmiths sit here and say what Putin can and what not. I advise you to get acquainted with the name of Starikov Nikolai Viktorovich, maybe then you will not make people laugh.
      You can also be compared with Makarevich: "I see nothing wrong with NATO bases in Crimea!" In Ukraine, Putin is either turned into a helpless killer, or, as you are, turned into a mega-prima man. He is an ordinary person, forget about what you heard about him on REN-tv.
  2. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 13 December 2015 15: 25 New
    51
    Quote: Author

    In turn, Anton Siluanov made it clear that old model of economicsBased on oil revenues, it has exhausted itself, and therefore it is necessary to find a new model

    For 15 years they were silent that their model of the economy is colonial, and now they have two eyes when they are exhausted.
    Quote: Author
    the main investment should be investment in human capital.

    These gentlemen at least understand the semantic load of the phrases that they use, and at the same time make it an intelligent and mysterious look.
    "Human capital" - what is it?
    It’s not in industrialization, but in “human capital”.
    Do these clowns think people are dumber than themselves?
    1. 34 region
      34 region 13 December 2015 15: 58 New
      25
      Gref has already spoken about the people. It was on TV, laid out here. Indeed, the authorities consider the people stupider than themselves. Gref apparently injected a serum of truth when he voiced it.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 13 December 2015 19: 28 New
        16
        Quote: Region 34
        Gref apparently injected a serum of truth when he voiced it.

        Yes, it was useless: they despise people so much lower in social status that they do not even consider it necessary to hide it: "the cattle will swallow!"
      2. Xxxl
        Xxxl 13 December 2015 20: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: 34 region
        Gref has already spoken about the people. It was on TV, laid out here. Indeed, the authorities consider the people stupider than themselves. Gref apparently injected a serum of truth when he voiced it.

        Somehow I missed it. Link please?
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 13 December 2015 20: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: XXXL
          Somehow I missed it. Link please?

          It’s been quite a while already, like before the new year .. if I find it, I'll post it.
          1. Dryuya2
            Dryuya2 13 December 2015 21: 21 New
            +7
            Quote: avia1991
            It’s been quite a while already, like before the new year.

            you about it
            Published: 24 Jun. 2012
            1. Xxxl
              Xxxl 13 December 2015 22: 01 New
              +3
              Sorry Nabiulina circumcised laughing
            2. avia1991
              avia1991 13 December 2015 22: 06 New
              +7
              Quote: Dryuya2
              you about it
              Posted Jun 24 2012 year

              Not really, but this statement is also very revealing hi
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 13 December 2015 23: 07 New
                +7
                Quote: avia1991
                Not really, but this statement is also very revealing

                Here is also interesting:


                And one more thing:

      3. asiat_61
        asiat_61 13 December 2015 21: 31 New
        +2
        The accountant also said that Crimea should be given.
    2. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 13 December 2015 16: 02 New
      10
      In turn, Anton Siluanov made it clear that the old model of the economy, based on oil revenues, has exhausted itself, and therefore it is necessary to find a new model. According to him, the main investments should be investments in human capital.

      The question is: who's stopping you? Who are you? Not the finance minister or a member of the Edra high council? Then why are you needed there at all?
      1. asiat_61
        asiat_61 13 December 2015 21: 33 New
        0
        He is most likely just a Member.
    3. Lena Alena
      Lena Alena 13 December 2015 19: 04 New
      15
      Yeah, in human capital. Whoever said. An increase in the retirement age, paid health care, and at the same time, an increase in salaries. to deputies. Who is our capital?
      1. ty60
        ty60 13 December 2015 22: 48 New
        +4
        Governors and mayors, deputies and ranks. These are thieves of various measures, but of great size! People’s feet will feel cold. Neither eat nor succumb! and their houses are full of incense and grace!
    4. avia1991
      avia1991 13 December 2015 19: 26 New
      +9
      Quote: Stroporez
      Do these clowns think people are dumber than themselves?

      Damn! belay
      From you, Stroporez, I did not expect such questions!
      AND WHAT IS THERE ANY Doubt ?! what
  3. varov14
    varov14 13 December 2015 17: 17 New
    +6
    I am also amused by the thought of the dictator of the universe, but something tells me that he is definitely pursuing a policy of the "powerful" of this world. The question is on those-whether he made a bet, perhaps soon they will substitute him in full.
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  6. ty60
    ty60 13 December 2015 22: 29 New
    +4
    It’s not omnipresent and omniscient. It’s not omnipresent. However, it’s time to finance federal programs with a TARGET designation from the budget DIRECTLY to the contractor, bypassing intermediaries in the face of affiliated banks. It is during the crisis. Those who wish to survive the banks themselves will understand the rules of the game. Gerashchenko doesn’t have them!
  7. atalef
    atalef 13 December 2015 22: 41 New
    -4
    Quote: avva2012
    You, what, really, consider V.V. Putin, the dictator of the universe.

    And what does the universe have to do with it? On 1 \ 6 sushi he rules absolutely real.
    Quote: avva2012
    So that, maybe they don’t give, and cannot, by definition

    Why then is he so needed? if they don’t give and cannot?
    Can then choose the one who can?
    Quote: avva2012
    He, after all, is just a man, and you, as some kind of Almighty, represent him

    Just a man. wink
  • ava09
    ava09 13 December 2015 15: 39 New
    -11 qualifying.
    Quote: Atrix
    Quote: chikenous59
    Doesn’t want or do not give him?

    I am amused by comments when they say that Putin is not allowed to do something. Have you seen Putin's support rating ??? Yes, if Putin had dispersed the entire government tomorrow and hung it on pillars in front of the White House with the wording that they did not allow the country to develop, his rating would have grown even more.


    That's the truth, remember what you don't kill: "Any cook can run the state." Or Sharikova: "What is there to think about, take everything and divide it up." A sound idea, he read the correspondence between Kautsky and Kerensky! -))) For an example of a more complex structure of the world, I give a simple at first glance, Sharikov's statement. What is better, "take away" from the people or from those who have already "taken away"? And having taken away, is it better to "divide" or to appropriate? Or maybe not "take away" at all, or who to stop with expropriation? An ordinary person with simplified thinking always thinks everything is simple because he does not analyze the details, in practice this approach is simply dangerous for the case. It is not without reason that they say that taxi drivers and seed traders know best how to govern the State.
    1. Robert49
      Robert49 13 December 2015 17: 22 New
      12
      An indestructible cook, this is for idiots, read what Vladimir Ilyich actually said! Maybe you stop carrying nonsense!
      1. Xsanchez
        Xsanchez 13 December 2015 18: 23 New
        -7
        But don’t confuse burry here! Especially since from 18 to 24, Krupskaya ruled the country on behalf of Lenin (a person with the right hemisphere of a brain affected by a stroke and shrunken to the size of a tennis ball cannot control even a spoon, not like the state) .This is a person who did not receive higher education (departure from the 1st year, education is not considered), professional unemployed (never worked anywhere), with low moral qualities (alcoholic, adulterer, syphilitic in the end) was in the right place, the right time has been inserted by the foreign intelligence service, to manage the collapse of the state. The fact that it has not collapsed is not his merit.
        1. syndicalist
          syndicalist 13 December 2015 21: 17 New
          +9
          I regard Lenin extremely negatively, but you should not portray him as an idiot. Yes, he is boring, verbose. He had almost no fresh ideas. But. Great polemicist. He grabbed other people's ideas on the fly and applied them well to Russian realities. Reread his articles on revolution, on statehood. Not idiots at all. Especially against the background of later, and current rulers
        2. dauria
          dauria 14 December 2015 00: 50 New
          +8
          This is a person who has not received higher education.


          Nevertheless, he was fluent in 3 foreign languages, and at least 4 more at the level of acquaintance. smile Are there many with higher education now? Stop, Lenin is a world-class value, no matter how you relate to his ideas.
        3. Alf
          Alf 14 December 2015 21: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Xsanchez
          This is a person who has not received higher education (

          Having a higher education does not make an idiot smart. I don’t know now, but about 10 years ago in the capital at any metro station you could buy any diploma, but those who bought it didn’t get smarter from its presence.
          Quote: Xsanchez
          professional unemployed (never worked anywhere)

          In 1891, L. passed the exams for the Faculty of Law at St. Petersburg University and began working as an assistant attorney in Samara, where the Ulyanovs moved in 1889. At the end of August 1893, L. moved to Petersburg, where he joined the Marxist circle, of which S. was a member. I. Radchenko, P. K. Zaporozhets, G. M. Krzhizhanovsky and others. The legal cover for the revolutionary activity of L. was the work of an assistant to the attorney.
      2. ava09
        ava09 13 December 2015 21: 38 New
        +1
        You need to have at least a drop of ingenuity to understand that the "cook" was mentioned exactly in the sense that you mean .-) Or are you one of those military men who have the main distinctive feature - the convolution from the cap? Believe me in the army, not all are those who live by the principle: "Those who served in the army do not laugh in the circus." Although, judging by the number of minuses, a steady trend has been preserved since the times of the Union .-)))))
    2. 34 region
      34 region 13 December 2015 17: 41 New
      -2
      It is not without reason that they say that taxi drivers and seed traders feel the best results of the leadership!
    3. Frigate
      Frigate 13 December 2015 18: 31 New
      21
      Quote: ava09

      Or Sharikova: "What is there to think about, take everything and divide it up."


      But do those in power not do this to the people. They take away how much they can take from the common people, and then they divide among themselves.
      But if the people have such an idea, then for some reason it is condemned. )))))
  • Altona
    Altona 13 December 2015 16: 06 New
    37
    Quote: Atrix
    the whole government and hung on pillars in front of the white house

    -----------------------
    I've been waiting for a long time for them all to die, no matter in what order. Already tired, "effective managers" are counting money, and a hard worker with an engineer must suck his paw. Moreover, there is nothing to suck, everything is sucked ...
    1. berkut9737
      berkut9737 14 December 2015 01: 12 New
      0
      Altona
      I've been waiting for a long time for them all to die, no matter in what order. Already tired, "effective managers" are counting money, and a hard worker with an engineer must suck his paw. Moreover, there is nothing to suck, everything is sucked ...

      Soon the stones will yell to heaven so that they finally die. Why do we need all these misfortunes, as from a cornucopia?
  • Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 13 December 2015 16: 21 New
    25
    "And the question arises, what are our monetary authorities doing?"

    And really, what? Well, the raw material model of economic development does not work already. Talking about oil alone, as if nothing else exists in the world. And if at all the oil trade ceases, then what is the complete end?
    The most interesting thing is that other models exist - Glazyev spoke about this repeatedly. So here we only need the political will of the head of state, for all our gentlemen officials we always need a tough order, nothing happens by itself, all the talk about market regulation is fiction.
    I understand that writing a comment is very simple, but giving the go-ahead for the beginning of the development of alternative options is a very big risk. It may not work. But it seems that there is no particular choice. The commodity model has long harmed the country.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 13 December 2015 16: 30 New
      16
      The most interesting thing is that other models exist - Glazyev spoke about this repeatedly. So here we need only the political will of the head of state, for all our gentlemen officials always need a tough order
      I am plagued by vague doubts, maybe we can offer another model of economic development? Including, and therefore, we are for the West, "a bone in the throat"? The USSR, by its very existence, forced the West to take a serious turn in relation to social programs. If we return to a planned economy, nationalization, with the preservation of small and medium-sized businesses, mainly in the service sector, then maybe we will show another way of development?
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 13 December 2015 16: 50 New
        15
        Alexander, these are not vague doubts. We really can offer a different model. It all already exists. China has implemented something similar. Maybe this is just one of the reasons for its rapid economic growth?
        1. jjj
          jjj 13 December 2015 17: 00 New
          -1
          Meanwhile, the first deputy chairman of the Bank of Russia Georgy Luntovsky back in November told TASS: “In December, we expect an increase in cash. An emission of about a trillion rubles awaits us. ”
          So, friends, everything is taking its course. And gold in government assets is growing multiply. Almost China caught up. And U.S. government debt dumps
          1. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 13 December 2015 18: 08 New
            +8
            Quote: jjj
            And U.S. government debt dumps

            I wonder how? recently in the Economic newspaper:
            In November, Russia purchased 21 trillion US securities ... and?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 13 December 2015 19: 00 New
              +7
              Quote: Viktor Demchenko
              In November, Russia purchased 21 trillion US securities ... and?

              Is it just 21 trillion? wink No, I certainly understand that "our" leadership strongly distinguishes between word and deed, talking about the need to invest in the economy, but at the same time investing in the US economy. But 21 TRILLION is you too much bent. hi
              P.S. In the US GKO "our" money is about 70 yards.
              More than enough to boost the country's economy. Our country.
            2. Alf
              Alf 13 December 2015 20: 39 New
              +8
              Quote: Viktor Demchenko
              In November, Russia purchased 21 trillion US securities ... and?

              This is a tricky plan. Buy, buy and buy American securities, fill America’s budget with money so that it doesn’t stand and burst.
            3. jjj
              jjj 13 December 2015 21: 28 New
              +3
              Quote: Viktor Demchenko
              In November, Russia purchased a trillion US securities on 21

              Data for October 12 2015:
              Russia, according to The Wall Street Journal estimates for the year reduced its investment in US government bonds by $ 32,8 billion.
              Confirmations of such a large-scale purchase, which you are talking about, could not be found. Yes, and Russia does not have such an excess of money, which according to the budget rule must be sterilized in this way
              1. atalef
                atalef 13 December 2015 22: 49 New
                -1
                Quote: jjj
                Yes, and Russia does not have such an excess of money, which according to the budget rule must be sterilized in this way

                No one has.
                laughing
            4. atalef
              atalef 13 December 2015 22: 48 New
              0
              Quote: Viktor Demchenko
              I wonder how? recently in the Economic newspaper:
              In November, Russia purchased 21 trillion US securities ... and?

              Obama is just sobbing with happiness.
              Pay off all debt and 4 trillion left laughing tongue
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 14 December 2015 01: 43 New
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                Pay off all debt and 4 trillion left

                Not 4 but 2, now 18,8 debt.
          2. Altona
            Altona 13 December 2015 19: 03 New
            +7
            Quote: jjj
            So, friends, everything is taking its course. And gold in government assets is growing multiply. Almost China caught up. And U.S. government debt dumps

            --------------------
            Is it personally easier for you? When they cut down the last tree and eat the last wheat cake, then they will understand that money cannot be eaten ...
            1. jjj
              jjj 13 December 2015 21: 31 New
              +3
              Quote: Altona
              When they cut down the last tree and eat the last wheat cake,

              We do not even choose twenty-five years, considering the illegal felling, taking into account illegal logging. Our forest is growing. But again, a good harvest for bread, which led to Russia gaining more money on food exports this year than from arms sales
              1. Alf
                Alf 13 December 2015 21: 37 New
                +9
                Quote: jjj
                But again, a good harvest for bread, which led to Russia gaining more money on food exports this year than from arms sales

                This means only one thing - bread will go over the hill, and the population will again be raised the price of bread.
                And they will explain very simply that the state should not interfere with business.
                1. ancient
                  ancient 13 December 2015 21: 41 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Alf
                  and the population will again be raised the price of bread.
                  And they will explain very simply that the state should not interfere with business.


                  Already tired of plying you drinks
                  Here are today's prices .. from one store "Seti" recourse But it’s really BREAD, good not .. "makuha" wassat

                  1. Alf
                    Alf 13 December 2015 21: 49 New
                    +7
                    Quote: ancient
                    Already tired of plying you

                    Well sorry request ! I’m used to talking on business, not dialing + slogans.
                  2. ancient
                    ancient 14 December 2015 10: 42 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alf
                    I’m used to talking on business, not dialing + slogans.


                    For which I respect! soldier drinks
        2. ancient
          ancient 13 December 2015 21: 22 New
          +6
          Quote: jjj
          So, friends, everything is taking its course. And gold in government assets is growing multiply. Almost China caught up. And U.S. government debt dumps


          Maybe I will try to save you from the minuses. you did not "put in quotes" your last sentence wink
          So the people did not understand lol

      2. avva2012
        avva2012 13 December 2015 17: 01 New
        11
        Alexei, in my opinion, we have better opportunities than China. They are more liberal than the liberals themselves. China, waiting for a strip of serious problems, just because of this. We, based on the experience of the 30's, can create a completely new one. I will return to what I wrote, the nationalization of all resources, state enterprises, not only the military-industrial complex.
        Indeed, the West is pushing us to develop business in all areas. It is worth considering why our enemies want this, is not it?
    2. asiat_61
      asiat_61 13 December 2015 21: 40 New
      +4
      You don’t even have to go far. Chernomyrdin and Gerashchenko. Not long ago, and Glazyev mentions this. But how about Garant’s roots? You’ll have to smear the caviar finer and buy smaller diamonds.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 13 December 2015 22: 11 New
        +8
        Quote: asiat_61
        Chernomyrdin

        there was generally no side - he was already sitting as an ambassador in Kiev!
        Then they pulled out the economy of PRIMAKOV and Gerashchenko. hi
      2. asiat_61
        asiat_61 13 December 2015 22: 58 New
        +4
        Primakov is guilty, he hurried, he takes evil on the present.
  • Altona
    Altona 13 December 2015 17: 15 New
    +9
    Quote: Reserve officer
    I understand that writing a comment is very simple, but giving the go-ahead for the beginning of the development of alternative options is a very big risk. It may not work. But it seems that there is no particular choice. The commodity model has long harmed the country.

    ------------------------
    The funny thing is that in the Omerig they praise, there is a whole bunch of all kinds of agencies engaged in forecasting and developing a strategy for alternative options - military, economic and others. And they are sometimes listened to, but here again, as under the CPSU, there is no alternative to "stability." Are they probably waiting for 1991 again?
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 13 December 2015 17: 44 New
      12
      Quote: Altona
      They are probably waiting for 1991 again?

      There would be 17 to survive. laughing
      1. cap
        cap 13 December 2015 19: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: IS-80
        Quote: Altona
        They are probably waiting for 1991 again?

        There would be 17 to survive. laughing

        Well you are however an optimist laughing
  • 34 region
    34 region 13 December 2015 17: 46 New
    +7
    When depression pressed the elves, Roosevelt gave the go-ahead for non-market measures. Called American Stalin. So we have not pressed yet. So it turns out?
  • Xsanchez
    Xsanchez 13 December 2015 18: 25 New
    +7
    The lower the price of oil, the closer Glazyev!
    1. atalef
      atalef 13 December 2015 22: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Xsanchez
      The lower the price of oil, the closer Glazyev!

      Have you compared Glazyev with the 5th point?
      Thin wink
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 14 December 2015 00: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Xsanchez
      The lower the price of oil, the closer Glazyev!

      The closer the VICTORY !!!
    3. The comment was deleted.
  • avia1991
    avia1991 13 December 2015 19: 37 New
    +9
    Quote: Reserve officer
    Well, the raw material model of economic development does not work already. Talking about oil alone, as if nothing else exists

    Greetings, Alex hi
    For THEM, most likely, this model is the main source of THEIR income, therefore YES - they will do their best to support and continue, because this is the simplest option for enrichment! The rest must be invested, and the return should be expected for YEARS - but how can they not "sit out" ?! belay
    And someone else can be provided with the opportunity to develop by providing entrepreneurs with "cheap" loans - "the toad presses": how will they do it, will they develop to millions of profits? Then what should the rulers do - die of envy? wassat
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 13 December 2015 20: 28 New
      +6
      Sergey, good evening!
      All is correct. It is the main source of income. Mankind is thousands of years old, and have they always prayed for oil? There were many equivalents - tea, coffee, gold, furs at last. In their time span these objects were exalted to heaven, their trade was extremely profitable.
      It’s just that time is passing, priorities are changing, the time will come - and oil will not be so relevant. This is a normal natural development. And to cling only to this industry, as to the main one - the top of shortsightedness or simply selfish intent.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 13 December 2015 20: 49 New
        +4
        Quote: Stock Officer
        the top of shortsightedness or simply selfish intent.

        Rather, the second. For, with all the negative attitude towards the majority in power, to call them stupid is to shove against the Truth. Of course, the people there are smart and educated, and the moral character is a separate issue .. I am sure of one thing: honest and decent people simply cannot break through to the imperious "Olympus." The only option is a carefully prepared and competently conducted event similar to that of 1917 wassat But there is no guarantee that after victory your comrades-in-arms will be able to resist temptations and maintain a level of morality ...
      2. atalef
        atalef 13 December 2015 22: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Reserve officer
        , and what - always prayed for oil? There were many equivalents - tea, coffee, gold, furs finally.

        And now they are praying, chur me, - not just a polar fox, just not a polar fox.
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 13 December 2015 17: 57 New
    10
    20 years the same thing happens. Only people begin to live and develop the economy - they beat the ruble. There is no such madhouse anywhere. Roosevelt did what he released inflation, introduced the death penalty for capital outflows.
    The responsibility for the activities of their subordinates lies with the boss. And then what kind of leader is this if every subordinate does what he wants
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 13 December 2015 17: 57 New
    +2
    20 years the same thing happens. Only people begin to live and develop the economy - they beat the ruble. There is no such madhouse anywhere. Roosevelt did what he released inflation, introduced the death penalty for capital outflows.
    The responsibility for the activities of their subordinates lies with the boss. And then what kind of leader is this if every subordinate does what he wants
  • Alexander 67
    Alexander 67 13 December 2015 19: 54 New
    +3
    And I am amused by other people who, pointing to the ratings figures, demand decisive action from the politician. These figures themselves are tinsel for the weak-minded. To pursue a policy based on the "support of the people" is at least naive. "The love of the people is even more fleeting than the love of a girl." Today she gave you, for great love; tomorrow she will give to another, and also for great love.
  • zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 13 December 2015 20: 06 New
    +3
    Then it’s clear who is responsible for the insane economic bloc of the government. In a good way, they should hang for a long time, and they all amuse our patient people with their idiocy. How to get to Putin? After all, those people who believe him, with fierce hatred, hate (mostly) Nabiulin, Ulyukaev, Siluyanova and others like them, as traitors to their country and accomplices of the enemy. Why then (if no one bothers him) does he not hear us?
  • cheap trick
    cheap trick 13 December 2015 20: 23 New
    +3
    Well, you said on the poles)))) how many poles are not there ...
  • shpilkerman
    shpilkerman 15 December 2015 19: 48 New
    0
    The opinion of a schoolboy, by God. Putin KGB officer, Putin from steel, nya-nya-nya, ta-ta-ta. And didn’t you think why Putin hasn’t done all this so far, because the rating is so high? Maybe someone is really stopping him from doing this?
    You, that Zhirinovsky, that Zyuganov - a man of his word. Sorry, a man of many words. Why Putin will not give up the dollar? Why does Putin tolerate our Central Bank? Why doesn't TV show the whole truth? Why does Putin tolerate deputies (Valuev, oh Lord!)?
    You would also say that Russian television belongs to Russia, and not to Israel. Although what can I say, on this forum sit all the patriots who see only the benefits in the name of Putin in the form of pluses.
  • VB
    VB 15 December 2015 19: 52 New
    0
    Absolutely agree with you.
  • Shtyn dwarf
    Shtyn dwarf 15 December 2015 20: 11 New
    +1
    I’m also asking this question, but there is an opinion of Glazyev himself - THE PRESIDENT'S OBJECTIVE TO ENSURE STABILITY.

  • Genur
    Genur 13 December 2015 15: 20 New
    +3
     chikenous59 (2) SU  Today, 14:55 PM New


    Why does Putin not implement what Glazyev says? Do not want or do not give him ...

    Whether he wants it or not, he alone knows. but the fact that "they do not give" is understandable ...
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 13 December 2015 16: 00 New
      29
      Quote: Genur
      but the fact that "they do not give" is understandable ...

      Who are these horns that do not allow the brightest to create a society of national welfare, about which he dreams so much.
      Here is a Kalashnikov letter to GDP read.
      "I would like to address V. Putin:
      - Vladimir Vladimirovich! Sovereign and our hope! You do not know what pale belay has been digging and burying over one hundred billion dollars in the Sochi Olympics, in the APEC-2013 summit, in two Universiades, in the arch-expensive 2018 FIFA World Cup all these years? This is the primary bastard, the enemy of the people! He is to blame for the fact that now the economy, torn by completely criminal unproductive megastructures, is falling today. I ask you, O our great patriot and bright overlord: punish this rotten nit, which did everything so that Western adversaries with their sanctions would lead the Russian economy to collapse. After all, the bastard that did all this, you need to hang in public.
      After all, all these trillions could be useful for forming the authorized capital of two or three development banks, which today could give loans to Russian industry at 1-3% per annum. I ask you, the national leader - punish this pest revealingly!
      I want to turn to such a reputable adviser to the president on economic issues as the former Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation Alexei Kudrin:
      - Dear Alexei Leonidovich, you do not know what such a smelly wassat since 2000, when the country received more than a trillion dollars in the state pocket from the growth of world energy prices, “sterilized” this money? What kind of invested them in the American and European currencies, and did not build the infrastructure, which we lack so much today? Who is this bastard who is not enough to shoot? After all, this scum does not know the elementary law of the market: the received currency can not be spent directly on roads or power grids, but four times more rubles can be issued for it, and already they, through special mechanisms, can be used to finance projects needed by the real sector. Help find this traitor and saboteur, show him to our dear Vladimir Vladimirovich! "
    2. 34 region
      34 region 13 December 2015 16: 01 New
      20
      I think Putin will not conduct voice acting Glazyev. He has repeatedly stated his commitment to the values ​​of the liberal economy of the free market and for integration into the global economy.
      1. ava09
        ava09 13 December 2015 16: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: 34 region
        I think Putin will not conduct voice acting Glazyev. He has repeatedly stated his commitment to the values ​​of the liberal economy of the free market and for integration into the global economy.


        I wonder for what purpose he did it? Why did you make Glazyev your advisor? Where were the "patriots" before Putin came? What is easier, rely on "effective managers" and rule for pleasure. But no, for some reason Putin took the "second chair" and is now trying to sit on both. And another question: How long did it take for Stalin to gain full power and purge the majority of Trotskyists from the government? I speak and ask not for the purpose of unconditional support for Putin. It has already been reasonably spoken about what is in Putin's head, only he knows.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 13 December 2015 16: 52 New
          +6
          How much time did it take for Stalin to get all the power and clean most of the Trotskyists from government?
          It seems to me that this begins, after the death of Frunze, when it became clear that the Trotskyists would stop at nothing, and until 1939.
          1. Aleksandr1959
            Aleksandr1959 13 December 2015 21: 31 New
            +5
            The starting point was 1929. When the course towards building socialism in a single country was taken from the Trotskyist course toward the victory of the world revolution.
        2. 34 region
          34 region 13 December 2015 17: 54 New
          10
          Maybe Glazyev is like a lightning rod? Not all of us are for the market. There are dissenters. And what can Glazyev really do except advice? While he is in the role of an agitator. Do many managers follow him?
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 13 December 2015 18: 11 New
            +5
            Do many managers follow him? These things, there is a great mystery. It seems to me that these are attempts to cross the hedgehog with snake. Perhaps this option is also interested in the opinion of the people.
        3. Xsanchez
          Xsanchez 13 December 2015 18: 59 New
          +5
          Consider: 1918, the year of the assassination attempt on Lenin, 1919, the year of the great Jewish squabble for power, as a result of which the only non-Jew (Georgian Dzhugashvili) was promoted to a technical post In 1923, he was the Secretary General to solve their scandals. As a result, they received the general personnel officer (the cadres decide everything) - in 2 years of the undercover struggle, by 1924 (the death of Lenin), which had significant weight in the political power of the country (along with Trotsky). Unlike Trotsky, Stalin has a huge administrative resource that he skillfully used and won. the period from 1934 to 1937, the old Bolsheviks, former party comrades of the party, were cleared, thus eliminating competitors, became the unconditional leader. 1937-1923 = 14 years
        4. avia1991
          avia1991 13 December 2015 20: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: ava09
          Why did Glazyev become his adviser?

          Then, so that he "chatted less" - After all, he voices competent thoughts, and the authorities such ideas, brought to the PEOPLE, are extremely dangerous, and even harmful!
          And as an adviser to the President, Glazyev has no right to open his mouth once again! For - "chipboard information". And so, if we consider the rules of conduct for an advisor, allows too much! wassat
      2. Altona
        Altona 13 December 2015 17: 19 New
        18
        Quote: Region 34
        He has repeatedly stated his commitment to the values ​​of the liberal economy of the free market and for integration into the global economy.

        ----------------------
        Aha, and we know all these "values":
        1) There can be no revision of the results of "privatization";
        2) We are a great energy power (when oil prices are $ 100 per 200 liters);
        3) We will not "squander" the accumulated assets (we will give them to the banks for "additional capitalization", they will squander themselves) ...

        Here are actually three main points ...
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 13 December 2015 17: 48 New
          -1
          Quote: Altona
          1) There can be no revision of the results of "privatization";

          In the current state of the country, this is so.
          Quote: Altona
          2) We are a great energy power (when oil prices are $ 100 per 200 liters);

          Yes, we are a Great Energy Power, even at 38 dollars per barrel.
          Quote: Altona
          3) We will not "squander" the accumulated assets (we will give them to the banks for "additional capitalization", they will squander themselves) ...

          That you are just jealous of the bankers. As members of the IEF. laughing
          1. Altona
            Altona 13 December 2015 18: 44 New
            12
            Quote: IS-80
            That you are just jealous of the bankers. As members of the IEF.

            -------------------------
            I’ll tell you more, my envy fits perfectly into the horn of AKM 7,62 ...
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 13 December 2015 19: 09 New
              +8
              Quote: Altona
              my envy fits perfectly into the horn of AKM 7,62 ...

              Just 30 pieces? My envy is a few more zinc ... repeat
              1. Altona
                Altona 13 December 2015 19: 27 New
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: Altona
                my envy fits perfectly into the horn of AKM 7,62 ...

                Just 30 pieces? My envy is a few more zinc ... repeat

                -------------------------
                Mordor will answer again, not yet evening ...
            2. avia1991
              avia1991 13 December 2015 19: 51 New
              +4
              Quote: Altona
              my envy fits perfectly into the horn of AKM 7,62 ...

              You modest ... I wouldn’t have enough PC-shnu boxes .. laughing
      3. Xsanchez
        Xsanchez 13 December 2015 18: 35 New
        +3
        But soon there will be nothing to integrate, and nothing: such an economic crisis is coming, it will bury everyone.
  • razzhivin
    razzhivin 13 December 2015 15: 26 New
    -6
    There is another answer - not the time ... !!!
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 15: 35 New
      15
      Quote: razzhivin
      not time ... !!!

      Do you think another 15 years of calm fate will cut ??
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 13 December 2015 15: 38 New
      26
      Well, really, there are no prophets in the Fatherland ...
      We learn a lot from books
      And truths are transmitted orally:
      "There are no prophets in their own country" -
      And in other fatherlands - not a lot.


      1. avia1991
        avia1991 13 December 2015 20: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: yuriy55
        We learn a lot from books
        And truths are transmitted orally:
        "There are no prophets in their own country" -
        And in other fatherlands - not a lot.

        Thank you for the reminder of Vysotsky. hi I rarely heard this song, it’s not widespread somehow .. maybe topicality interferes? wassat
  • 34 region
    34 region 13 December 2015 15: 44 New
    13
    Because he apparently stands on the positions of Gaidar, Chubais, Sobchak. The invisible hand of the market will regulate everything itself. Like the current or the wind, you yourself will be delivered to the right place. The main thing is to do nothing yourself.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 16: 10 New
      15
      Quote: Region 34
      The invisible hand of the market will regulate everything itself.

      Just for some reason, they still don’t see that she’s bony (skeletonized) this arm .. and for some reason, all the people cling to the throat ..
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 13 December 2015 17: 27 New
        12
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Just for some reason, they still don’t see that she’s bony (skeletonized) this arm .. and for some reason, all the people cling to the throat ..

        Wait, they will come to you and tell you that you are working poorly, incorrectly and inefficiently. smile
      2. Xsanchez
        Xsanchez 13 December 2015 19: 05 New
        +3
        And for some reason it carries latrines to places ....
  • Archon
    Archon 13 December 2015 16: 36 New
    +2
    because few ordinary people know how it really is: maybe Putin tells everyone, and maybe they tell him. We can’t check in any way.
    The fact is that:
    Foreign policy +
    Army +
    Education -
    The science -
    Medicine -
    Economics -
    Moreover, the cons are not complete, but average. That is, we have medicine and education and science and the rest, but somehow weighed down, sick.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 December 2015 19: 20 New
      +6
      Quote: Archon
      but somehow strongly crushed, sick.

      So you need to either heal or finish off (a couple of officials) as a warning to posterity.
      In Togliatti, there is a wizard doctor, head physician of a medical town, and part-time deputy of the provincial duma and chairman of the Rotary Club (mason), Renz Nikolay Alfredovich. The riverbed is changing! He took and pushed the coastline (on paper) in a prestigious area, and gave it to the building. Here is such medicine in Tolyatti. request
  • starshina78
    starshina78 13 December 2015 18: 20 New
    13
    If I wanted to, Glazyev would have been Prime Minister long ago. In my opinion, amateurish opinion, the liberalism of the Government is most beneficial for one simple reason - it is good for oligarchs. After all, none of the oligarchs did not become poorer, did not leave the Forbes list, only dollar millionaires became more. If, according to Glazyev, the economy is started, then they will have worse. And so everything is for them. Oil workers should not be touched, gas workers too. And the real sector of the economy - machine building, metallurgy, chemical and food industries, if it disappears, so China will help us. Already now, the so-called import substitution is underway, if you used to buy Czech equipment at our factory, now you have tried Chinese equipment - it didn’t work for a week, cut all the gear teeth, they became like cylinders. And there wasn’t Russian either. And it will not be with such a government !!!
  • Million
    Million 13 December 2015 21: 59 New
    +2
    Putin seems to have a different point of view
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 13 December 2015 23: 51 New
    +1
    In general, it should be understood the economic situation in Russia where for most of the 12 months of winter and the rest of the summer and 70% of the territory is permafrost. than running around empty forums. In today's situation, Russia will be forced to trade its resources for dollars, which will then be exported back, since other goods will be uncompetitive with us. This is not Thailand, where it is enough to put a canopy and under it are machines. So the factory is ready. We need to sculpt two meter walls. Plus, in our underpants and sandals you don’t seem like it. Workers need a salary so that in winter there is something to cover themselves with. and this all affects the cost. For example, in Argentina, 1 kg of beef costs 5 cents, with us, I think, no less than 250-300 rubles.
    Who is talking about this. None.
    The conclusion is that dragging and printing money does not fix the situation. Everything needs to be changed dramatically. Who will change? Yes, not the descendants of violinists, shopkeepers and clowns.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 13 December 2015 23: 56 New
    -3
    It is somewhat incomprehensible conceptually, but what does Comrade Glazyev do in this Trotskyist, anti-people government? Why does he use these bourgeois perversions here — a large office, a personal C-class foreign car with a driver, a salary that’s not meek, a secretary docile? A fighter for national happiness should be poor, hungry, angry, like comrades Blank or Dzhugashvili. Although no, it’s to blame, this is not an example - Comrade Blank lived quite comfortably, Comrade Parvus did not offend him, he fed him. And comrade Dzhugashvili had very close ties with the Barons Rothschilds, too, crumbs from the table fell. But all the same, it is simply indecent for Comrade Glazyev to be an adviser to the Trotskyist.
    1. Alf
      Alf 14 December 2015 21: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      And comrade Dzhugashvili had very close ties with the Barons Rothschilds, too, crumbs from the table fell.

      Can you give more details ? What about connections?
  • scorpiosys
    scorpiosys 14 December 2015 03: 23 New
    0
    You are funny.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 14 December 2015 22: 23 New
      +2
      And all that is needed is only Three Great Prohibitions. You just need to cancel the Tax, the Loan Interest and the Tariff - and everything will work out right away!
  • vkfriendly
    vkfriendly 15 December 2015 15: 38 New
    0
    If you are wondering who is opposing Putin, then it’s worth a look for example here http://www.pravda-tv.ru/2014/01/07/34143
  • venaya
    venaya 13 December 2015 14: 56 New
    10
    We need to clearly distinguish between the economic laws spelled out in textbooks and the laws of real life ...

    I also think that today's textbooks no longer reflect the economic realities of today. A huge number of truly outstanding specialists in the economic field speak about this without ceasing.
    1. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 13 December 2015 15: 52 New
      +7
      Yes, in RUSSIA there are more intelligent and talented people than mediocrity and idiots sitting at the state feeding trough, destroying the economy of the state.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 16: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: go21zd45few
        Yes, in RUSSIA there are more intelligent and talented people than mediocrity and idiots sitting at the state feeding trough, destroying the economy of the state.

        And what follows from this - did not quite understand ??
      2. Frigate
        Frigate 13 December 2015 20: 00 New
        +5
        Quote: go21zd45few
        Yes, in RUSSIA there are more intelligent and talented people than mediocrity and idiots sitting at the state feeding trough, destroying the economy of the state.

        If most are really smart, then why submit to fools?
        Maybe not smart at all?
        1. ancient
          ancient 13 December 2015 21: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: Frigate
          If most are really smart, then why submit to fools?
          Maybe not smart at all?


          Put it, + for the question, maybe the reason is all the same in another .. but her .. "scary to voice"? wassat

        2. avia1991
          avia1991 13 December 2015 22: 18 New
          +6
          Quote: Frigate
          Maybe not smart at all?

          However, you are self-critical .. lol
          Or maybe the point is what is mentioned above in the video with Gref?
          By the way, I would not count those sitting "above". Smart and competent people, I would say - outstanding! It's another matter that their interests and talents are not directed at serving Russia and its people, but at stuffing their own wallet and gaining leverage to make economically profitable decisions.
    2. 34 region
      34 region 13 December 2015 16: 12 New
      13
      In my opinion, the entire economy today is being crushed under the global one. World conspiracy or not, but there is a destruction of self-sufficient economies and giving them narrow specializations. When creating the EU, this method was tested when they decided who and what will do or not do. Now it goes on a global scale. World chaos means knocking out competitor countries and creating sites for construction and consumption. Destroying the economies of countries stupidly remove competitors (they simply will not be). Only a country without chaos will rule.
  • Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 13 December 2015 14: 57 New
    11
    Amazing why do not understand such elementary patterns our monetary authorities, it is enough to look at the structure of the profitability of our economy to understand that the increase in interest rates cuts off most of the sectors from obtaining loans

    Oh, Sergei Yuryevich, that's the trouble that they understand ... The financial policy of the government's liberal economic bloc cannot be called otherwise than sabotage and sabotage. What are the cheap loans that you? Here is "inflation targeting" - yes! They only target-target it, but it keeps growing.
    If they are Westerners and Keynesians, then why not set the Central Bank refinancing rate equal to the Fed discount rate? How many Americans are there, do not remind me?
    1. cap
      cap 13 December 2015 15: 27 New
      +8
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      If they are Westerners and Keynesians, then why not set the Central Bank refinancing rate equal to the Fed discount rate? How many Americans are there, do not remind me?

      Here the Fed does not let it come closer, we are not equal to them. They give us "2%", we give the people "26%"
      So much for growth wassat
    2. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 13 December 2015 18: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      If they are Westerners and Keynesians, then why not set the Central Bank refinancing rate equal to the Fed discount rate? How many Americans are there, do not remind me?

      as far as I remember 0,1%
  • kebeskin
    kebeskin 13 December 2015 14: 58 New
    +1
    Reduce superfluous top managers and bureaucrats. Would save a lot. Yes, to conduct various checks more and more constantly, otherwise we have nothing to do with it until the rooster bites in one place. Well, plus to revive our industry, and not replace one foreign with another foreign.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 13 December 2015 15: 21 New
      12
      Quote: kebeskin
      Yes, carry out various checks more and constantly,

      Yes, they are already sick of everyone, these checks !!! Now checking, controlling, supervising and other parasites and bribe takers, already more than actually producing something! Where else request ?
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 13 December 2015 17: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Bayonet
        Yes, they are already sick of everyone, these checks !!! Now checking, controlling, supervising and other parasites and bribe takers, already more than actually producing something! Where else

        And where else can people go with the automation of production and the growth of labor productivity? In the sphere of services and control. smile
    2. 34 region
      34 region 13 December 2015 16: 20 New
      +7
      I'm afraid we will not revive our industry. We will not have our own smartphones and computers. And there will be no cars. We ourselves are yelling: Down with the AvtoVAZ bucket with bolts! And even our (or maybe not ours already) president goes to a foreign car. Yes, we have all the money management votes for foreigners!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 14 December 2015 06: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Region 34
        Down with the AvtoVAZ bucket of bolts!

        Not everything is so gloomy, and it doesn’t look like a bucket! smile
      2. Alf
        Alf 14 December 2015 21: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Region 34
        We ourselves are yelling: Down with the AvtoVAZ bucket with bolts!

        When I hear this, laughter parses me. And who collects these Lada? We are with you. And we are yell-poor quality. Maybe, in such cases, they say the truth. Isn’t it easier, godfather, to turn to oneself?
  • pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 13 December 2015 14: 59 New
    24
    Did Mr. Glazyev read the law on the Central Bank?
    All that Glazyev talks about is possible only after the nationalization of the Central Bank, which is now essentially a branch of the Fed.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 13 December 2015 15: 05 New
      +8
      Sberbank is also not half Russian. sad
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 13 December 2015 15: 15 New
        15
        Quote: Barracuda
        Sberbank is also not half Russian.

        I’ll probably tell you a big secret. In our country, the overwhelming majority of credit organizations and mining / manufacturing enterprises have, to varying degrees, a share of foreign capital. Nationalization? What are you speaking about! We have a civilized and legal state! So the President said that the results of privatization will not be reviewed.
        1. moskowit
          moskowit 13 December 2015 15: 28 New
          +4
          And even a little nervous. The same reaction was even more nervous when he answered the question about the export of capital ... recourse request
      2. cap
        cap 13 December 2015 15: 32 New
        +9
        Quote: Barracuda
        Sberbank is also not half Russian. sad

        Soon the shares of Sberbank will be sold again.
        Buy for the whole pension. I will live on dividends. laughing
      3. Makk
        Makk 13 December 2015 15: 53 New
        +8
        Sberbank is also half non-Russian

        RUBLE- Russian only by name, it would be more correct to call-Russian ersatz-dollar.
    2. Barakuda
      Barakuda 13 December 2015 15: 23 New
      +4
      And most interestingly, the vote was in the Duma on the nationalization of the Central Bank. Deputies overwhelming count. votes against.
      It is worth considering what kind of foolish GDP you have to fight.
      1. Alf
        Alf 13 December 2015 15: 33 New
        12
        Quote: Barracuda
        It is worth considering what kind of foolish GDP you have to fight.

        The IVS also fought, fought, fought, and then took it, and applied the knight's move. Yes, he applied that all liberals ended in the physical sense. What prevents GDP from doing too? Is the office and the Ministry of Internal Affairs appointed by him? Can't or doesn't want to? I personally tend to the second option.
        1. Barakuda
          Barakuda 13 December 2015 15: 47 New
          0
          Vasily, do you propose to nationalize all enterprises in Russia, and who is against the wall or to cut down the forest? And who will manage them if all the cunning managers are managed? Where to get an honest, right leader?
          1. cap
            cap 13 December 2015 15: 54 New
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            Quote: Barracuda
            And who will manage them if all the cunning managers are managed?

            Watch on the tower wassat
          2. Former
            Former 13 December 2015 18: 18 New
            22
            Find LITTLE MANAGERS?
            EASY!
            I can immediately name at least 5 people who will pull ANYTHING, absolutely any production.

            Competent, sick specialists, who have reached quite decent heights in their profession.
            Yes, almost all of them are oil and gas workers who worked on shifts.

            But each of them, I repeat, will pull any production!
            What do you think, the person under whose leadership we are FOR THE MONTH! launched an oil field (from scratch!) will be able to lead, for example, a large plant?
            I think every professional has such friends.

            Purely hypothetically (he wrote about this more than once)
            - Send to the Gulag Putin all these Chubais and other scum, tell the people how Stalin once
            -Brothers and sisters, the enemy is at the gate, forgive the "perestroika" and so on, let's lift Russia off its knees together!

            We are ready to work day and night, stand at the machine tools, give money to the State Loan Bonds.
            we can, I answer, we can accomplish the impossible!

            But only when the power turns to the People's face, and not the loin portion of the body.

            But all this is a fairy tale, isn't it?
            After the speeches at the opening of the Yeltsin Center, I personally no longer hope for the best ...
            1. fif21
              fif21 13 December 2015 20: 14 New
              +4
              Quote: Former
              But all these are fairy tales, are they not? After the speeches at the opening of the Yeltsin Center, I personally no longer hope for the best ...
              good
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 14 December 2015 01: 28 New
                +4
                Quote: Former
                After the speeches at the opening of the Yeltsin Center, I personally no longer hope for the best ...

                Well, what are you? It’s too early to lower the mane. If you are disappointed in Putin, whom, incidentally, many were not fascinated with, this does not mean that Russia is over.
                Now the veil is falling from the eyes, a little more and the people will be ready, and the government will accelerate its own end with "reforms" ... And then life will once again shine with bright colors of Freedom, Equality and Brotherhood.
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 14 December 2015 01: 39 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  a little more and the people will be ready

                  Is there too much Faith in the people, and, Stroporez? .. So far, in my opinion, this is more Desired, not Actual ..
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            3. avia1991
              avia1991 13 December 2015 22: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: Former
              After the speeches at the opening of the Yeltsin Center, I personally no longer hope for the best ...

              I would not so categorically evaluate. Putin was "serving his duty" and said what was "consistent with the protocol." It’s not Yeltsin’s personality, but who he was. The President of Russia is too serious a position (by the way, he is elected through national elections!), And he died not so long ago so that right now he could arrange another "debunking of the personality cult"!
              By the way, you can learn from the Americans in this matter - they don't trample their "exes" .. although they do not extol, if not at all, this is true.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 13 December 2015 20: 21 New
            -2
            I won’t give my company to anyone, you can’t even dream about it and the rest will not give it away either.
            1. fif21
              fif21 13 December 2015 21: 14 New
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              I will not give my company to anyone
              Well then you will pay us! And you won’t! Well you know laughing
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 14 December 2015 00: 32 New
                +1
                What do I know ? And to whom is it for us?
            2. Alf
              Alf 13 December 2015 21: 42 New
              +3
              Quote: Vadim237
              I won’t give my company to anyone, you can’t even dream about it and the rest will not give it away either.

              1. No one has yet canceled a man with a gun.
              2. Tell me, please, how did you START a business? Only the tales that you took a loan and built a plant can not tell. Or are you like Rockefeller about the first million?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 14 December 2015 00: 30 New
                +1
                They lost their funds, partly earned on shares, partly borrowed from relatives, everything went smoothly for 5 years and now everything is working stably and even created a fairly large financial airbag - so in case of mass crises, I will not give my production and car services to anyone .
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 14 December 2015 00: 36 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  within 5 years things have gone and now everything is working stably

                  Well?..
                  Why was this pathos:
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  I won’t give my company to anyone, you can’t even dream
                  ??? Who needs such an "oligarch" who simply provides itself more or less stable existence? Work on your health, and do not worry! laughing
            3. avia1991
              avia1991 13 December 2015 22: 57 New
              +4
              Quote: Vadim237
              you can’t even dream

              When it BEGINS - You will not be asked. However, if you have a "factory" (with all due respect hi ) for the production of wall blocks - you are not interested in expropriation. And if you are Deripaska, I can guarantee: "RusAl" will be taken away from you! For you were clearly not able to BUY it!
              Quote: Vadim237
              and the rest will also not give

              And do not speak "for others" .. did they authorize you to do this ?!
              Responsible for yourself - fewer problems will arise, including fewer opportunities to substitute you. hi
          4. Alf
            Alf 13 December 2015 20: 27 New
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            Quote: Barracuda
            Vasily, do you propose to nationalize all enterprises in Russia, and who is against the wall or to cut down the forest? And who will manage them if all the cunning managers are managed? Where to get an honest, right leader?

            According to the first sentence. I propose to nationalize all heavy, medium and light industry. Only the service sector and small business should be left to private traders. Do you really think that the Rotenbergs, Deripaska, Abramovichs, Usmanovs and further down the list will just give away "the hard-earned money"?
            On the second sentence. And where did normal leaders come from before? Yes, absolutely honest people cannot be found, but the process can be steered into a relatively safe channel for the state’s economy.
            Why do I propose nationalization. The fact is that a person with billions already has a desire to change the power in the country so that everything is done only for him and it does not matter that the state is getting worse and worse from this. Take, for example, the export of capital.
            The net export of capital by banks and enterprises from Russia in the first half of 2015, according to the CBR, amounted to $ 52,5 billion, according to information posted on the Bank of Russia website. The outflow of capital in the second quarter of 2015 is estimated at $ 20,0 billion, which is 38,5% less than in the first quarter - $ 32,5 billion.

            According to the results of the first half of the year, the net export of capital by banks and enterprises grew 2,2 times in comparison with the first half of 2013. and reached 74,6 billion dollars. This is evidenced by the statistics of the Bank of Russia. For the first six months of 2013 capital outflow amounted to 33,7 billion dollars. For the I quarter of 2014 $ 48,8 billion was withdrawn from Russia, and $ 25,8 billion in the second quarter.
            The capitalist does not care about the state of the country.
        2. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 13 December 2015 19: 13 New
          +4
          Quote: Alf
          Can't or doesn't want to?

          Rather afraid.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 13 December 2015 19: 50 New
            +5
            Quote: Saratoga833
            Rather afraid.

            Everyone wants to live, and it is desirable to live well.
            1. cap
              cap 14 December 2015 09: 58 New
              0
              No no!
              Living well and living well is even better! wassat
        3. fif21
          fif21 13 December 2015 20: 12 New
          +8
          Quote: Alf
          What prevents GDP from doing too?

          And then it gets in the way that he is for Yeltsin and the bourgeoisie. And the people manage to restrain themselves from "uncivilized" actions more chatter, but how much can they be annoying about !?
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        5. avia1991
          avia1991 13 December 2015 22: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          Is the office and the Ministry of Internal Affairs appointed by him?

          Who told you that? ..
          Formally, yes. But in fact - we are unlikely to know.
          In addition, it should be borne in mind that the number of "dirty" managers at all levels of management is so off-scale that, if needed, behind-the-scenes cardinals can easily provoke a "bloodless" change of power, even when the PRESIDENT tries to "search for the Truth."
        6. berkut9737
          berkut9737 14 December 2015 01: 45 New
          0
          Is the office and the Ministry of Internal Affairs appointed by him? Can't or doesn't want to?

          There is no order.
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 15: 38 New
        +7
        Quote: Barracuda
        It is worth considering what kind of foolish GDP you have to fight.

        Is this not called the struggle of the "Nanai boys" ??
        1. Barakuda
          Barakuda 13 December 2015 15: 50 New
          +1
          A question for M. Zadornov. "I'm john buzz ...."
      3. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 13 December 2015 18: 21 New
        +7
        and here you are a guy is not right, and categorically. just at the moment of voting in the Duma of this Law in the first reading there was a broadcast (and as soon as they missed? !!!)and so: voted for ONLY one fraction: LDPR, and in full force, and the rest of the opposition ... went to dinner! sad
        further comments on the work of our "servants of the people" are needed?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 December 2015 19: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Viktor Demchenko
          and the rest of the opposition ... went to dinner!

          Type did not know what will be discussed? laughing
      4. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 13 December 2015 19: 12 New
        +8
        Quote: Barracuda
        in the Duma on the nationalization of the Central Bank. Deputies overwhelming count. votes against.

        This thought has long to be dispersed. Its benefits are like a goat's milk. Freeloaders are sitting there, not advisers on how to make the State better.
    3. Anisim1977
      Anisim1977 13 December 2015 15: 38 New
      +5
      The Law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation was adopted in 1993, Gerashchenko worked patriotically, Nabiulina is less patriotic, and the law is the same, all this time.
      And since Gerashchenko says - it is possible, then this does not contradict the law.
      1. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 13 December 2015 19: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Anisim1977
        then this does not contradict the law.

        So the law must be changed.
    4. kotvov
      kotvov 13 December 2015 19: 09 New
      +5
      Did Mr. Glazyev read the law on the Central Bank ?,
      but Matvienko said, the constitution does not need to be changed, she (the constitution) is quite happy with her (matvienko).
      1. fif21
        fif21 13 December 2015 20: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: kotvov
        Did Mr. Glazyev read the law on the Central Bank ?,
        Oh, you naive Chukchi youths, you remembered the law! The country's economy is ruled by bandits who live by their notions. They know how to steal, squeeze, saw, but they do not understand the economy. It's not their thing to create new things! They can only "milk" what was created during the Soviet era, invest in development !? Yes, they will never! And Glazyev is a theoretician and forgot where he lives. where we also remember all theorists, Yavlinsky -500 days wassat Well-read economic theories wassat As long as the economy is ruled by stupid bullies, one should not expect growth. To be honest, we are a land of thieves, bribe-takers, and bandits hi
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  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 13 December 2015 15: 03 New
    +4
    What loans? Our stabilization fund was about 10 trillion rubles and we did not know how to properly build an investment program so as not to devour all the money. The point is not that there is no money, but to master it competently! There is money now, but it doesn’t change the essence. The situation is complicated because the fund’s stub remains until the age of 18, and then we need to cut spending, increase taxes and take unpopular measures such as increasing the retirement age. A lot of money is not a panacea. And interstate relations and investments here go separately. Here they also affect the future economy. And this will be a problem for now. Nobody will lie down under the West, and we must look for our own measures. Sales revenues can be increased significantly in the field of agriculture for a start. And then look for other incomes other than hydrocarbons. This takes time. In the meantime, you have to compress the rolls ..
    1. Alf
      Alf 13 December 2015 15: 36 New
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      Quote: dchegrinec
      .And while you have to compress the rolls ..

      And why
      Quote: dchegrinec
      compress the rolls ..
      should ordinary people, and billionaires continue to live, live, gain good, and even demand relief of their situation?
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 16: 15 New
        +7
        Quote: Alf
        should ordinary people, and billionaires continue to live, live, gain good, and even demand relief of their situation?

        Well, everything is simple - they chose a president for themselves, and it’s not the people who demand it, we only legally consolidate this in the elections no more ..
    2. midashko
      midashko 13 December 2015 15: 37 New
      +2
      And why not give loans to the stabilization fund? All banks and financial corporations fatten on loan interest. I don’t understand why a rich fund cannot do this. I would give out loans to the right enterprises (state order, etc.) at low interest rates, which are not very necessary at high rates. And he would finance the economy and replenish his account.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 13 December 2015 16: 31 New
        +4
        And why do enterprises give loans in general? You can simply allocate money for development. No percent faster developing an enterprise and cheaper products. Why, at interest, feed private banks? Will private banks feed us? And how do Muslim and Jewish banks live? They are not allowed to co-religionists to give a loan interest.
      2. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 13 December 2015 19: 39 New
        +6
        Quote: midashko
        All banks and financial corporations fatten on loan interest.

        Until the Central Bank is nationalized and submits to Russia, we will peek around the corner and ask the USA for handouts. But Nabiullina is the best banker of the year! (according to the USA).
    3. 34 region
      34 region 13 December 2015 16: 25 New
      +3
      Agriculture is also not in itself. Crop production is seeds, fertilizers, chemicals, machinery. Livestock is the same plus the feed base. Do you think agriculture itself is growing? It is also necessary to invest there. The same roads for the village, gasification ...
    4. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 13 December 2015 19: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: dchegrinec
      have to compress the rolls ..

      And we will continue to "squeeze the rolls" while our native Central Bank will not obey Russia, but the US Federal Reserve System and support the US economy with our trillions of rubles!
  • lexx2038
    lexx2038 13 December 2015 15: 04 New
    10
    Siluanov unequivocally said that everyone had already stolen, and now we must look for new sources of income.
    1. cap
      cap 13 December 2015 15: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: lexx2038
      Siluanov unequivocally said that everyone had already stolen, and now we must look for new sources of income.

      Wrong not stolen but mastered wassat
      1. 34 region
        34 region 13 December 2015 16: 32 New
        +6
        Today they have stolen and mastered synonyms.
        1. cap
          cap 13 December 2015 19: 41 New
          +7
          On Vostochny, they "mastered" robbing and stealing in a stall.
          Think Bigger laughing
    2. Alf
      Alf 13 December 2015 15: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: lexx2038
      Siluanov unequivocally said that everyone had already stolen, and now we must look for new sources of income.

      Or maybe you should look WHERE the money has gone and ask from their gone?
  • avva2012
    avva2012 13 December 2015 15: 05 New
    22
    There will be no investment - there will be no growth. As an example, during the crisis of the 98 year, when V. Gerashchenko and E. Primakov did the opposite that the IMF advised, they refused to raise the interest rate, and inflation fell several times, the industry revived and grew with a record 2% per month. And the question is, what do our monetary authorities do? In our country, now the level of investment in 2 is less than in the USSR
    S. Glazyev, still suggested, switch to a planned economy. Absolutely real offer. I don’t understand, on the one hand, nobody drives him from advisers, on the other hand, they don’t listen to advice. The paradox, however.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 13 December 2015 16: 36 New
      +6
      When planning, there will be responsibility. Who was planning? And here is complete irresponsibility. The crisis is to blame. Very convenient policy. We tried so hard and rested, but the damned crisis came and ruined everything! Now we will wait when he leaves. And then the invisible hand of the market will straighten everything. The main thing is to relax and go with the flow.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 13 December 2015 16: 48 New
        +6
        When planning, there will be responsibility. Who was planning?
        Well, about, this is I.V. Stalin and said. Entrepreneurship must be left in the service sector. Here, there, you need to quickly respond to the client's desire. And, the production should not depend on the fact that the supplier did not want to fulfill the contract, or it was outbid. I haven’t done it, sorry, we have a lot of forests, there is something to cut. Fulfilled Stalin Prize on your chest, honor and respect.
      2. Rivares
        Rivares 13 December 2015 17: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Region 34
        And here is complete irresponsibility. The crisis is to blame. Very convenient policy

        In fact, the crisis is no longer to blame, but the war. We are already 2 !!! hybrid wars with the participation of the army + the restoration of liberated territories (Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk) In any way, this affects and will affect ordinary people.
      3. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 13 December 2015 18: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Region 34
        The main thing is to relax and
        am
        ...enjoy. and even without Vaseline! am
        well, soon it will be so!
  • Same lech
    Same lech 13 December 2015 15: 07 New
    10
    V. Gerashchenko and E. Primakov did the opposite of what the IMF advised, they refused to raise the interest rate, and inflation fell several times, industry revived and grew with a record 2% per month. And the question is, what do our monetary authorities do?


    To the wall of reptiles ....

    Some of the officials and bankers of RUSSIA in this area are thinking about how to steal more ... and wash off with money in LONDON or SWITZERLAND.

    A remarkable story is the theft of money at the Vostochny spaceport and the construction of an airport in KAMCHATKA ....

    nothing has changed in the corps of officials under the current government ... as soon as a loophole appears with the ability to steal budget money, they steal right there, even the fear of punishment does not stop.

    I remember there was a story with the theft of money from Kadyrov in Chechnya ...
    so he just did ... his nukers arrived to the stealing official ... loaded him in the trunk. They brought them a little, pressed them, shot and they immediately found money .... KADYROV was no longer willing to steal money.

    And when you look at SERGEY IVANOV, who is bribing an official on KAMCHATKA, you just want to tell General IVANOV that you are like a child .. her GOD is sorry for all this.
    1. quote
      quote 13 December 2015 15: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      even the fear of punishment does not stop.

      What is this, such a punishment? How is Vasilyeva?
      A lot of fear does not work!
      1. cap
        cap 13 December 2015 16: 00 New
        +8
        It is just a rest after the labors of the righteous.
        Hands from bags rest. You do not need to cook. You can not do makeup. One good. laughing
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 16: 22 New
        10
        Quote: devis
        What is this, such a punishment? How is Vasilyeva?
        A lot of fear does not work!

        For a couple of billion and with such a punishment - I, too, will be fearless as a batman and spider-man in one bottle .. laughing
    2. Alf
      Alf 13 December 2015 15: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      nothing has changed in the corps of officials under the current government ... as soon as a loophole appears with the ability to steal budget money, they steal right there, even the fear of punishment does not stop.

      They reported that they stole so much that they couldn’t describe it in a fairy tale. And our brightest one answered, “So what, what was stolen, most importantly, built.”
      1. Alf
        Alf 13 December 2015 21: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: Alf
        And our brightest one answered, “So what, what was stolen, most importantly, built.”

        The ministry of finance came to Nikolashka in the midst of 1MV and said, waving documents, “Your Majesty, look what is being done.” The country is exhausted under the weight of military spending, and the capitalists are making profits at 1000%! To which nikolashka answered, well, and let them wind up.
        How did this end for him in a year, recall?
    3. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 16: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      sorry it all looks.

      Absolutely the same thoughts were in my head .. It looked wretched and miserable (to catch a thief in your apartment and threaten him with a finger .. without considering the boys)
  • avva2012
    avva2012 13 December 2015 15: 09 New
    +5
    V. Gerashchenko and E. Primakov did the opposite of what the IMF advised
    Doesn't it seem strange? IMF makes recommendations. Maybe "the casket is just opening," now, just listening? I don't want to believe it, but ..
  • Genur
    Genur 13 December 2015 15: 11 New
    +6
    Well, and the government! If only not to answer for anything ... it's easier - to sell, but rather to distribute to "friends".
    A complete chatter! But such as Glazyev, only interfere.
  • chikenous59
    chikenous59 13 December 2015 15: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Atrix
    Quote: chikenous59
    Doesn’t want or do not give him?

    I am amused by comments when they say that Putin is not allowed to do something. Have you seen Putin's support rating ??? Yes, if Putin had dispersed the entire government tomorrow and hung it on pillars in front of the White House with the wording that they did not allow the country to develop, his rating would have grown even more.

    Apparently Putin’s rating of support for the oligarchs is more important. Since they have a lot of control in the country since the 90s. Putin takes their opinion into account, otherwise he would not have sat in the chair for so long, and indeed he probably would not have become president. I was very surprised when in 2000 Putin became president, not Chubais, etc.
    I strongly doubt that Putin does not succumb to any pressure from the oligarchs. Service for service as they say.
    A version is possible that now is not the time to radically change the economy to the one proposed by Glazyev. Otherwise, our "friends" can go for a sharp increase in rates in a big game.
    Only after solving the problem with an external enemy, Putin will undertake to cleanse the government and reorient
    economics
    1. Anisim1977
      Anisim1977 13 December 2015 15: 34 New
      -3
      Do you think the oligarchs benefit from a loan of 15-20%?
      Do you think the oligarchs are against lending at 3%?
      For example, Alisher Usmanov and Potanin?
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 13 December 2015 15: 50 New
        +7
        Do you think the oligarchs benefit from a loan of 15-20%?


        I think that they do not go to Sberbank with a string bag. They have their own banks, their own financial structures ...
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 15: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: chikenous59
      Putin became the 2000th president, not Chubais, etc.

      The country was on the verge of a social explosion, and they were afraid - they chose a neutral figure that before that they only managed to slightly publicize, I remember my surprise then ..
    3. 34 region
      34 region 13 December 2015 16: 40 New
      +5
      All palace coups do close to the head. The people are always in the role of extras. The close ones have leverage over the king, the people do not. On the Maidan people already went. We all know whose money.
    4. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 13 December 2015 18: 29 New
      +4
      ... I'm afraid
      only live happy at this time
      neither I nor you will have to ...
      doesn’t resemble anything !? what
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 14 December 2015 01: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Viktor Demchenko
        happy

        "BEAUTIFUL TIME" ..
        But the essence does not change, right.
        Personally, I think that we ourselves are building our future. And what it will be - ALSO depends on us! And, of course, our silence, not counting the "shaking of the air" on VO and similar resources, will not add any Light or Well-being to this future. soldier
    5. Alf
      Alf 14 December 2015 21: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: chikenous59
      I was very surprised when in 2000 Putin became president, not Chubais, etc.

      And why did the redhead need this? It’s easier for him to sit behind the throne and pull the strings. And if his idea fails, then Himself will be to blame, but not red. Very comfortable position. Classical
      Quote: chikenous59
      Only after solving the problem with an external enemy, Putin will undertake to clean the government and reorient the economy

      Is this after World War 3 in nuclear performance? Then there will be no one to clean, no one and no reason. And without nuclear weapons, the buckland cannot be blown up; it sits too tight.
  • sober
    sober 13 December 2015 15: 16 New
    +8
    For Russians, the inflation rate is more important than the exchange rates, since they earn in rubles and spend them. This was announced by the head of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina, adding that "there is a gradual adaptation of consciousness among many citizens."

    In order for people to feel more confident and to be able to make long-term plans, the Central Bank is trying to reduce inflation, Interfax reports with reference to Channel One. The ruble, according to Elvira Nabiullina, suffers from oil prices, the situation needs to be corrected by diversifying the economy.

    What did she say ??? In Russian you can’t explain at all ??? angry
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 13 December 2015 15: 20 New
      +7
      What did she say ??? In Russian you can’t explain at all ???


      smile This is a hint to us ... we will continue to rob people.

      Banks of RUSSIA The Central Bank saves by investing huge sums of money in their capitalization ... and the salaries of pensions were frozen to the people. Subsidies, etc. ...... what
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 13 December 2015 15: 26 New
      +7
      What did she say ??? In Russian you can’t explain at all ??? One of the definitions of an intelligent and competent person is how, as a person, he can convey his thoughts in simple and understandable words. Yes, she was also praised in the West. So there is, for what. yes
      1. Xsanchez
        Xsanchez 13 December 2015 19: 29 New
        +5
        What she said (in clear translation): do not worry, they say, everything is fine, the stabilization fund is now eaten and dumped quietly, and that the ruble is getting cheaper, don’t worry, this is normal, beggar further.
        That's right M.Zadornov called it-Naibullina!
    3. 34 region
      34 region 13 December 2015 16: 41 New
      +3
      Is it possible without inflation at all? Like in the USSR.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 14 December 2015 01: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Region 34
        Like in the USSR.

        In the USSR, if you are not in the know, inflation WAS ALSO! belay
        1. Alf
          Alf 14 December 2015 21: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: avia1991
          In the USSR, if you are not in the know, inflation WAS ALSO!

          After 1961, but not before.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 13 December 2015 15: 16 New
    +7
    Oh, like in a joke. I would like to have a license to shoot thieves and stupid deputies. It won’t help, they will take the same place.
    No such as for example Potemkin. Everything that was grabbing, almost everything swelled to Russia.
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 13 December 2015 15: 26 New
      +4
      And where do these thieves come from? Why do citizens, having reached at least the lowest levels of power, begin to parasitize the country? request
      They do not stamp them in factories and do not grow them in beds ?! what Or... belay
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 13 December 2015 15: 32 New
        13
        Or maybe a mentally full-fledged person grows up if they turn on TV pakemons with a spongebob, and Malakhov tryndit along with Dom-2? This is so, for example, the problem is much deeper at each stage — school. Family, etc.
        So I was a pioneer, proudly wore a tie and knew - to steal badly, to help people - well. What's bad about it ? And now, he sold more expensive, well done, he deceived his neighbor, then it’s not a sucker.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 13 December 2015 15: 37 New
          +3
          Moreover, here, mental abilities? They are not necessary, with this type of activity, they only interfere.
        2. Mexovoy
          Mexovoy 13 December 2015 15: 38 New
          +1
          Is TV in your home? Like an old pepper shaker, drag it wherever you go.
        3. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 13 December 2015 15: 39 New
          +2
          Valery, this is hardly the case: today's officials are 40-50 years old, that is, by the time the house, Malakhov and the sponge appeared, they were already mature and well-formed ...
          1. Barakuda
            Barakuda 13 December 2015 15: 57 New
            +7
            Your truth. But here is the paradox. In my studies, 2-shniks and 3-shniks reached financial heights, they even got to the armchairs of the government, although they were oaks-oaks. And those who integrals once clicked in their minds, the maximum sysadmins in some kind of godforsaken office.
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 13 December 2015 15: 34 New
        +5
        And where do these thieves come from? Why do citizens, having reached at least the lowest levels of power, begin to parasitize the country? Natural process. I, here, recently, discovered "Dunno on the Moon". A very interesting book.
    2. 31rus
      31rus 13 December 2015 15: 41 New
      +5
      Dear Barakuda, only two things are needed, laws and people who fulfill them and you will be surprised and modern Potemkins will appear just not to sit down and the country's economy will go uphill, now they will "squeeze" every last ruble, talking about sanctions, the collapse of the ruble, exchange rates and so on, then "together" abroad to write memoirs and give good advice, this applies not only to ministers, but to the entire vertical
  • Averias
    Averias 13 December 2015 15: 25 New
    +3
    Off topic of course. But, now news:
    The ship "smart" opened fire at a dangerous approach of a Turkish ship
    When approaching a Turkish seiner with a Russian patrol ship at a distance of about 600 meters, in order to prevent a collision of ships, in the direction of the Turkish ship at a distance of guaranteed non-defeat, small arms were used
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 13 December 2015 15: 28 New
      +1
      Provoke ...
    2. Xxxl
      Xxxl 13 December 2015 16: 30 New
      +4
      Anto on another page yes
  • skat
    skat 13 December 2015 15: 25 New
    +2
    Hyperinflation in our conditions is a horror story that scares us so that we do not live and survive. The fool understands that there is no money, no development.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 15: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: skat
      Hyperinflation in our conditions is a horror story that scares us so that we do not live and survive. The fool understands that there is no money, no development.

      The analogy is the simplest - in a battle with cartridges on the soul it is easier than with an empty magazine, you won’t get a lot of bayonet-knife ..
  • dmitrymb
    dmitrymb 13 December 2015 15: 28 New
    +1
    Close not strategic projects. Corruption press and there will be a lot of money!
  • moskowit
    moskowit 13 December 2015 15: 30 New
    +2
    Urgently swap Glazyev with Medvedev ...
  • Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 13 December 2015 15: 31 New
    +7
    Strongly agree with Glazyev, and Gerashchenko is just a legend, not a person.
    Why is there less money in our economy than the economy itself?
    If the Central Bank is so stubborn - it is necessary for the government to sell the Central Bank the currency in which the stab funds are currently stored, there will be something like 150 billion in total, at the current rate of about 11 trillion rubles and occupy VEB at 1% per annum for 25, and this percentage and invest the necessary expenses. And let VEB lend to the real sector at 3%!
    Having eaten 150 billion dollars immediately against the market, the Central Bank will grow from 350 to 500 billion greens, speculators will go nuts from such somersault and it will be difficult for them to repay this trend. Then the rate will drop, but the Central Bank 11trl paid and will survive it, not small.
    And this operation will not contradict the liberal model, but will be in the right direction.
    But in any case - money in the economy should be 100% of the cost of the economy, and since we want inflation at 4% or lower, then the loan should be at 3% or lower.
    The loan rate is ALWAYS included in the price of the goods!
  • g1v2
    g1v2 13 December 2015 15: 36 New
    +4
    Quote: chikenous59
    Why does Putin not implement what Glazyev says? Doesn’t want or do not give him?

    Because he believes that what Glazyev offers is harmful to the country AT THIS TIME, probably. The lack of focus in the media and the real situation are still different things. But some things from Glazyev’s report are launched. They decided to print a trillion rubles. True Glazyev proposes to turn on the printing press to full and print one and a half trillion a year. Even I understand that this will accelerate inflation. For the dull, inflation leads to higher prices. Simply put, if you do what Glazyev offers, prices in stores will rise more than a year ago. hi Personally, I am not a supporter of the debt load on the economy and I think that we should not copy the western path of permanent credit bondage, as Glazyev actually suggests. He says that the western way is bad, but what he offers is what he is. request In these two years alone, we paid a third of our external debts, and Glazyev offers to collect new ones. Personally, I think that the situation in the West, where student loans are paid to death, is not normal and it’s not worth copying. Personally, my opinion.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 13 December 2015 15: 43 New
      +3
      ЛI personally think that the situation in the West, where student loans are paid to death, is not normal and it is not worth copying. Personally, my opinion. Apparently, you are not an economist? Do you use logic? Here, therefore, I still have hope that everything will be fine in our country. I don’t know whether you are right or not, but that pleases people like you in the country.
    2. IS-80
      IS-80 13 December 2015 17: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: g1v2
      But some things from Glazyev’s report are launched. They decided to print a trillion rubles. True Glazyev proposes to turn on the printing press to full and print one and a half trillion a year. Even I understand that this will accelerate inflation. For the dull, inflation leads to higher prices.

      Well, Glazyev then offers to print for growth. Industrial capacities are unused, under the growth of GDP. True, the question here is certainly interesting. How much will the purchasing power of the population increase and where will we put all the manufactured products. Probably we’ll have to throw out all foreigners from our market and close the border for import duties. The truth is also something somehow not according to the WTO, but we are kind of in the WTO. Oh, I came up with a loan for the Kazakhs and we will give other Eurasians ohreniliard rubles for the purchase of our products. smile
    3. avia1991
      avia1991 14 December 2015 01: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: g1v2
      In these two years alone, we paid a third of our external debts, and Glazyev proposes to collect new ones.

      You have not beguiled anything, dear? "External debt" and "internal lending" are two different things, actually!
      Quote: g1v2
      They decided to print a trillion rubles.

      Yeah .. And they will be sent where, in your opinion? To the real sector? (As Glazyev suggests) Figures - again to the banks! To lend right and left, under the same 25%!
      Quote: g1v2
      I am not a supporter of the debt load on the economy and I think that we should not copy the western path of permanent credit bondage, as Glazyev actually suggests

      I will not argue, perhaps you have found such calls from him somewhere .. I personally have not read, and have not heard. About the fact that loans should be available - yes, he said. In the USSR, if you are not aware, the state invested money in the economy also through banks - state ones, of course! And the interest on these loans (scanty, of course) provided financing for banking activities, plus government bureaucrats were left to pay. This is normal practice! Another thing is abnormal: banks, having received another "infusion", rush by hook or crook to play on the stock exchanges - to cut down more dough! Nobody even thinks about crediting real industries!
  • DREDD
    DREDD 13 December 2015 15: 38 New
    +3
    Isn’t it time, comrade Glazyev, open your eyes and remove the Central Bank from the control of the American Fed, and the participation of foreign capital in our enterprises to minimize or to zero?
  • Seneca
    Seneca 13 December 2015 15: 40 New
    -6
    Quote: chikenous59
    Why does Putin not implement what Glazyev says? Doesn’t want or do not give him?

    You should never forget that the GDP is a mediocre mediocre perpetual three-year. And others are no longer produced by Mother Russia .. the most worthy and others not.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 13 December 2015 15: 49 New
      +5
      You should never forget that the GDP is a mediocre mediocre perpetual three-year. And others are no longer produced by Mother Russia .. the most worthy and others not.
      You, Russophobe, apparently?
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 13 December 2015 16: 33 New
        +4
        Quote: avva2012
        You should never forget that the GDP is a mediocre mediocre perpetual three-year. And others are no longer produced by Mother Russia .. the most worthy and others not.
        You, Russophobe, apparently?

        No, he is not a Russophobe, just a stunted nerd with a complex of unrecognized genius.
  • vfqjh
    vfqjh 13 December 2015 15: 43 New
    13
    I don’t care about your pluses - minuses, I will express my point of view. Tryndet can be a lot, for a long time and about nothing. I am not a cool economist, but I dare to speak up. In our country, there would be no swarms if such industries are related to mineral resources, transport, alcohol, tobacco, pharmacies, etc. would be in the hands of the state, and not of our delinquents ... Snickering ... In this situation, who do not put, only w ...... oops!
  • Klim2011
    Klim2011 13 December 2015 15: 43 New
    13


    Moscow Economic Forum, Potapenko cuts the truth of the uterus in the eye.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 13 December 2015 17: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Klim2011
      Moscow Economic Forum, Potapenko cuts the truth of the uterus in the eye.

      Yeah, I watched all these speeches at the IEF. The general impression is the conspiracy of scorpions against spiders. But then what is the use of this for the future? Industrial capital is waging war on finance. Are you sure that this will be better for us? Potapenko cried about getting their checks, just an angel and not a man. He’s so good and his business is very honest, but bad testers they prevent him from building a fabulous life for Russia with milk rivers and jelly banks. Let’s generally cancel all control and verification bodies according to this logic, then happiness will come. smile
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 13 December 2015 17: 25 New
        +2
        Let’s generally cancel all control and verification bodies according to this logic, then happiness will come.
        Yeah, don’t even go to Vanga, it’s known to whom.
      2. Klim2011
        Klim2011 13 December 2015 17: 33 New
        +2
        Blind glasses do not help.
        Blessed are the believers for they will inherit the kingdom of heaven.
      3. Klim2011
        Klim2011 13 December 2015 18: 03 New
        +1
        Why abolish controls? Leave and check the stools and Vasilyevs, though so far it turns out muyevo, right?
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    3. berkut9737
      berkut9737 14 December 2015 02: 12 New
      +1
      Moscow Economic Forum, Potapenko cuts the truth of the uterus in the eye.

      You look at their plump faces.
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 13 December 2015 15: 45 New
    -3
    Please name Glazyev’s achievements!
    He is a balabol, for the development of the economy investment and technology are needed. They are not in the country
    1. cap
      cap 13 December 2015 16: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Kostya Andrei
      Please name Glazyev’s achievements!
      He is a balabol, for the development of the economy investment and technology are needed. They are not in the country

      I do not think that Glazyev prints them, you specify and then write that the doctor of sciences "balabol" hi .
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 13 December 2015 17: 00 New
        +2
        In my concept, balabol is a person who makes plans for how to do well, but at the same time he doesn’t know what to do, and cannot provide the result of his theories.
        And the doctor of science is not an indicator of literacy and intelligence. He himself has doctors, associate professors of science, and people with two or three higher educations who live on their mother’s retirement (I exaggerate), but at the same time make plans for the reorganization of Russia, and better than Glazyev, but instead of eating and showing how it works, sit and make plans, Putin prevents to put them into practice.
        (By the way, regarding doctors of science. My wife did not get a doctorate because of the worthlessness and high cost of this lesson.)
    2. Barakuda
      Barakuda 13 December 2015 16: 10 New
      +2
      Well, yes, not at all. Therefore, everyone flies into space on devices made in Russia.
      I wrote a term paper at the time on the recognition of objects from space. The algorithm has remained the same, only the circuitry has changed, in Russia they can and do, but more expensive it just turns out.
      Yes, and professors of the USSR were with a bang, try to offer a bribe. Not like now.
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 13 December 2015 17: 02 New
        -1
        Do you often fly into space? And on what equipment are these devices made?
    3. pv1005
      pv1005 13 December 2015 16: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Kostya Andrei
      Please name Glazyev’s achievements!
      He is a balabol, for the development of the economy investment and technology are needed. They are not in the country

      For completeness and purity of the experiment, list your "great" achievements. What, no? Then balabol is you.
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 13 December 2015 16: 49 New
        -1
        my achievements are not many, but what I propose, I know that I will do it, and if asked to provide evidence, I will provide them. and I don’t propose reforms as Glazyev, if I make repairs, I look at the work of the masters, what they can do, and do not rely on their words. tell me what are his achievements?
        1. pv1005
          pv1005 13 December 2015 17: 03 New
          -1
          Quote: Kostya Andrei
          my achievements are not many, but what I propose, I know that I will do it, and if asked to provide evidence, I will provide them. and I don’t propose reforms as Glazyev, if I make repairs, I look at the work of the masters, what they can do, and do not rely on their words. tell me what are his achievements?

          In general, what was required to be proved. From the opera "every cook can rule the state" and blah, blah, blah. hi
          1. Kostya Andreev
            Kostya Andreev 13 December 2015 18: 21 New
            -1
            I agree the cook, if they ask me how to build a house. I will show the result of labor, and after that I will give advice.
            A simple question, what are the achievements of Glazyev, except for regalia and offers.
            1. Frigate
              Frigate 13 December 2015 20: 13 New
              +4
              Quote: Kostya Andrei
              I agree the cook, if they ask me how to build a house. I will show the result of labor, and after that I will give advice.
              A simple question, what are the achievements of Glazyev, except for regalia and offers.


              Well, in order for Glazyev to show something, the leader of the country should give him the go-ahead. I would even say the real leader of the country.
              Ilya Glazyev needs to create a coup.

              Or do you know other methods, how to change the state management system, without the consent of the system?
    4. Alf
      Alf 14 December 2015 21: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      for the development of the economy, investment and technology are needed.

      And for our state
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      investment and technology
      Not needed. We have a Pipe. wink
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 14 December 2015 23: 23 New
        +1
        In order to reduce the dependence on the pipe. technology needs to be developed. and technologies that are ahead of the world level. it needs money.
        And you most likely suggest the following action for the development of technology, which will be in words: the state should help.
  • nik1321
    nik1321 13 December 2015 16: 10 New
    +6
    "Do these clowns think people are stupider than themselves?"
    Someone said - "People all shave," the authorities think about Syria - it is important of course. I do not believe that the government cannot change anything - they either do not want in view of any reasons, or do not understand where all this can come, obstinacy is not clear - you can not find someone who can raise the economy and hire. So I want to say - do at least something, gentlemen in power, or are you waiting for the oil to drop to the price of 10 bucks?
    1. berkut9737
      berkut9737 14 December 2015 02: 19 New
      +3
      So I want to say - do at least something, gentlemen in power, or are you waiting for oil to drop to the price of 10 bucks?

      Perhaps they no longer control anything, but go with the flow, like a dead fish. Even with the bear, they promised the maximum pumping of resources from the country, and then its complete collapse.
  • vair
    vair 13 December 2015 16: 22 New
    +3
    Quote: avva2012
    I am amused by comments when they say that Putin is not allowed to do something. Have you seen Putin’s support rating ???
    You, what, really, consider V.V. Putin, the dictator of the universe. There, at the top, the atmosphere is discharged. And, in her, such eagles fly. So that, maybe they don’t give, and can’t, by definition. He, after all, is just a man, and you, by some kind of Almighty represent him. belay

    I think that Putin has fewer opportunities than Peter the 1st. Andropov, in his time, had a lot of those, but everyone knows what happened.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 13 December 2015 16: 34 New
      +1
      Putin has really less opportunities than Peter 1, in my opinion. Moreover, presidents are sometimes killed, and not only them.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 13 December 2015 17: 27 New
        +4
        And the traitors are planted and put against the wall.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 13 December 2015 17: 38 New
          +1
          And the traitors are planted and put against the wall. Those who so mocked the country have long been talking with the devils, you can’t put them to the wall.
  • sledge
    sledge 13 December 2015 16: 25 New
    +2
    What is happening in the foreign arena is understandable, the enemy must be defeated! But what is happening inside the country? sad
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 13 December 2015 17: 26 New
      11
      The enemy is winning inside the country under a smoke screen about the greatness of Russia (I do not deny this at all, but it would be nice to combine greatness with social justice, because somehow the situation does not fit the call of the authorities for the unity of the people and the elite (even I do not take this word in quotation marks, with respect to these, only negative, with the rarest exception).
      And after all, this liberal bastard in power is not afraid of what is coming, it seems very likely, a new world, or rather, is already underway, although this is only the beginning. It is impossible that they remain in power, we are finished with them. And it’s time for Putin to decide who he is, with us, the people of Russia, or with the Rotenbergs, Sechenovs or other thieves oligarchs. Then it will be too late.
  • cap
    cap 13 December 2015 16: 26 New
    +3
    Quote: cap
    Quote: Kostya Andrei
    Please name Glazyev’s achievements!
    He is a balabol, for the development of the economy investment and technology are needed. They are not in the country

    I do not think that Glazyev prints them, you specify and then write that the doctor of sciences "balabol" hi .


    Information for consideration.
    Glazyev Sergey Yurievich (born January 1, 1961, Zaporozhye, Ukrainian SSR, USSR) is a Russian economist, politician, and adviser to the President of the Russian Federation on regional economic integration [1].

    Former Minister of Foreign Economic Relations of Russia, deputy of the State Duma of I, III, IV convocations. Presidential candidate of the Russian Federation (2004). EurAsEC Deputy Secretary General (since November 27, 2008). Doctor of Economics, professor, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences (since 2008) [2], member of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine (since February 4, 2009) [3].
    There are more such "balabols" in power. hi
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 13 December 2015 17: 04 New
      +3
      Cool. These are regalia. And what are the achievements?
  • Bakht
    Bakht 13 December 2015 16: 27 New
    +8
    There is no development without money. And there is no money either. And what to do? Well, for starters, S. Glazyev is right that the current government is not capable of anything. In principle, they do not know what to do. They may know, but it will cross out all the efforts of the last 20 years of activity.

    Opinion is not an economist.

    1. Government programs, the defense industry, should be fully funded at zero interest. If the Central Bank of the country expects to earn money on lending to the country's defense, then place them on lampposts.

    2. Commercial projects should also be credited at zero interest in the Islamic banking system. Under the strict control of the state. Again - for this we need to return the Central Bank under the jurisdiction of the state.

    3. But all other loans (that is, speculative) can be credited at 10 and under 20 and even at 50%. Who likes what number. These are all speculative games on the stock exchange and if they die, they will definitely not become a mere mortal from this.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 13 December 2015 17: 37 New
      -1
      Quote: Bakht
      1. Government programs, the defense industry, should be fully funded at zero interest. If the Central Bank of the country expects to earn money on lending to the country's defense, then place them on lampposts.

      Why is it that we suddenly have not developed socialism in the yard.
      Quote: Bakht
      2. Commercial projects should also be credited at zero interest in the Islamic banking system. Under the strict control of the state. Again - for this we need to return the Central Bank under the jurisdiction of the state.

      So when the Fed will print any dinars there and the economy of some kind of Islamic country will become at least the third in the world, then we’ll talk about Islamic banking.
      Quote: Bakht
      3. But all other loans (that is, speculative) can be credited at 10 and under 20 and even at 50%. Who likes what number. These are all speculative games on the stock exchange and if they die, they will definitely not become a mere mortal from this.

      Og of course. Are you sure that if tomorrow another bubble in the stock market bursts you, the next wave of crisis will not wash away?
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 13 December 2015 19: 14 New
        +6
        Lending at zero interest is not developed socialism, but the harsh reality of the United States. There really is not zero, but 0,25 seems. The same eggs, but in perspective. By the way, zero percent is just the stage of the formation of socialism. Nobody remembers what "zero side-altars" are under Stalin? And why did the Soviet T-34 cost 5-6 times cheaper than the German T-4? With less mechanization of labor and productivity. Just because preying on the defense industry was fraught with sideways. It was possible to be on the felling. If you're lucky.

        Islamic banking - this does not mean that the economy should be like Islamic states. The term is so economic. And now they are also trying to introduce it in the West. A good thing to think about. And the bank will earn and no interest. But it is necessary to look at least on Wikipedia.

        For some reason, the next bubble was not terrible either to Stalin or to developed socialism. On the contrary, during the period of the global crisis of the 30s, Stalin bought a thousand factories and a bunch of technologies from the bourgeoisie. Yes, they would have sold their mother. The stock market crisis is speculative. And it should not be related to the real economy. When untying the ruble from the dolar, let there be at least a stock tsunami there.

        In general, I am for S. Glazyev’s program.
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 13 December 2015 21: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Bakht
          Zero-interest lending is not developed socialism, but the harsh reality of the United States. There really is not zero, but 0,25 seems.

          For the end consumer, the loan is not zero there.
          Quote: Bakht
          ... By the way, zero percent is just the stage of the formation of socialism. Nobody remembers what "zero side-altars" are under Stalin? And why did the Soviet T-34 cost 5-6 times cheaper than the German T-4? With less mechanization of labor and productivity. Just because preying on the defense industry was fraught with sideways. It was possible to be on the felling. If you're lucky.

          Now in the yard it’s not socialism that I remind you again.
          Quote: Bakht
          Islamic banking - this does not mean that the economy should be like Islamic states. The term is so economic. And now they are also trying to introduce it in the West. A good thing to think about. And the bank will earn and no interest. But it is necessary to look at least on Wikipedia.

          It is very interesting how the bank will earn if there is no interest. You in your euphoria with Islamic banking really do not understand that such miracles can not be. smile
          Quote: Bakht
          For some reason, the next bubble was not terrible either to Stalin or to developed socialism. On the contrary, during the period of the global crisis of the 30s, Stalin bought a thousand factories and a bunch of technologies from the bourgeoisie. Yes, they would have sold their mother. The stock market crisis is speculative. And it should not be related to the real economy. When untying the ruble from the dolar, let there be at least a stock tsunami there.

          Because the USSR at that time was almost very weakly integrated into the global economy. And therefore could not suffer from the crisis. However, the USSR then was also not very good, but for other reasons that you know about. But capitalism is speculative from birth. And it is only in your imagination that speculation has nothing to do with the real economy. Ask me not to believe atalef. This binding was given to you. What is the difference if the economy is closely integrated with the world? If the market is closed then yes, but it is not so with us.
          Quote: Bakht
          In general, I am for S. Glazyev’s program.

          Thanks, of course, but I am against this program and what is the difference to you? You are Azerbaijan, we are Russia, each for itself. Capitalism. The law of the market, each for itself. Who does not have ohrenillion dollars and cbrd is ineffective and crawls into the cemetery. bully
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 13 December 2015 22: 31 New
            +4
            We are talking about the discount rate. Just it in the States 0,25. In Russia, it seems 11%. For final consumers both there and in the Russian Federation, of course, 2-3% higher.

            I have no euphoria from Islamic banking. But really it works, for example, in England, Switzerland, Germany. There is no interest. There is equity participation. By the way, there were also conversations in Azerbaijan, but they successfully buried this idea. For a very prosaic reason. There are no such specialists in banking institutions. I suspect that they are not in the Russian Federation either. There is a risk of poor investment. Just as there is a risk of bad debts in loan capital, so in Islamic banking there is a risk of burnout. And the bank receives profit not through interest, but through investments.

            Snap to the dollar is of great importance to strangle the real sector. Do not believe me, look at the reality in your country, in the countries of Eastern Europe, the Baltic states. Yes, anywhere. The reference to Atalef is personally unconvincing to me. I’m not going to offend anyone, but we often talked with him. His arguments do not convince me.

            You yourself wrote - a weak link to world monetarism - the absence of crises. Has integration into the WTO yielded something positive? Of course, full autocracy in our conditions is impossible. But to tie yourself hand and foot to an overseas currency is to become a slave to this currency itself. Given that the course is not determined by you, then this is complete slavery. But it seems to me that in Russia attempts are being made to get rid of this dependence. But to draw conclusions prematurely.

            All the same, sooner or later it will be necessary to restore sovereignty over both its currency and its economy. The alternative is to become a colony.
            1. Alf
              Alf 13 December 2015 22: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Bakht
              You yourself wrote - a weak attachment to global monetarism - the absence of crises. Of course, complete authorship in our conditions is impossible. But to tie yourself hand and foot to an overseas currency is to become a slave to this currency itself. Given that the course is not determined by you, then this is complete slavery. But it seems to me that in Russia attempts are being made to get rid of this dependence.

              An immodest question, why was the ruble made freely convertible? What did the COUNTRY benefit from this, and not its INDIVIDUAL REPRESENTATIVES? What was the ruble wooden bad
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 13 December 2015 23: 07 New
                +1
                Is the ruble a convertible currency? It can be exchanged. But just in the interests of the country, and not of individuals, it should be closed.

                Indiscreet question - how many types of rubles were in the USSR?
                1. Alf
                  Alf 14 December 2015 00: 07 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Bakht
                  Indiscreet question - how many types of rubles were in the USSR?

                  Two. Cash and cashless.
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht 14 December 2015 00: 15 New
                    +4
                    It's good. So it is necessary to restore the dual-circuit system. Bank transfer is for lending. And cash is only for the necessary needs. Then you can somehow solve the problem of inflation. After all, the collapse of the USSR began precisely with the law of ITD and the transfer of cashless cash. This caused the depreciation of the ruble and hyperinflation.

                    PS By the way, there was also the CMEA ruble. tongue But this does not apply to the topic
            2. IS-80
              IS-80 13 December 2015 23: 01 New
              0
              Quote: Bakht
              And the bank receives profit not through interest, but through investments.

              The same yaits only in profile. smile
              Quote: Bakht
              Snap to the dollar is of great importance to strangle the real sector. Do not believe me, look at the reality in your country, in the countries of Eastern Europe, the Baltic states. Yes, anywhere. The reference to Atalef is personally unconvincing to me. I’m not going to offend anyone, but we often talked with him. His arguments do not convince me.

              You yourself wrote - a weak link to world monetarism - the absence of crises. Has integration into the WTO yielded something positive? Of course, full autocracy in our conditions is impossible. But to tie yourself hand and foot to an overseas currency is to become a slave to this currency itself. Given that the course is not determined by you, then this is complete slavery. But it seems to me that in Russia attempts are being made to get rid of this dependence. But to draw conclusions prematurely.

              And I will give you an example of Israel and China. smile And nothing like weak linkage is the weak influence of external crises and nothing more. And then this is in a purely ideal model, but in the real world we get a world war. And so and so we get slavery, only the master changes from external to internal.
              Quote: Bakht
              All the same, sooner or later it will be necessary to restore sovereignty over both its currency and its economy. The alternative is to become a colony.

              Ogh, this is felt. Apparently soon we will fight again for the establishment of sovereignty over our and other people's purses of the bourgeois of various calibers.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 13 December 2015 23: 13 New
                +3
                In the Islamic banking system, you decided not to understand. These are completely different eggs. This is a completely different type of bank. In principle, Glazyev offers precisely this model of lending to domestic industry. Call it what you want, but he talks about public-private lending and the development of production. I don’t know how else to say it. I’ll not write better than Glazyev himself. And his site is open for reading.

                It’s good that they even agreed that a weak attachment could save us from the crisis. Or mitigate its effects. This one moment alone makes us seriously consider the issue of untying the ruble from the dollar. Or at least its control by the state.

                So now I am reading forecasts on the ruble exchange rate. Do you think that oil prices or the level of GDP in the country are waiting? Nothing like this. Waiting for the go-ahead from Washington. Will the Fed rate change? Depending on this (and only on this) there will be a ruble exchange rate.

                Like to be a colony? Well, I understand Azerbaijan. A small country is not with the largest reserves of raw materials and human material. But Russia .... Although you have the flag of the USSR. Accidentally not from the promised land?
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 13 December 2015 23: 20 New
                  +3
                  Read carefully

                  Or do you, like monetarists, think that money is gold coins of divine origin? Modern money is issued under debt obligations. Government, as in the United States, where the Fed issues dollars for the acquisition of treasury bonds, and in the Eurozone, where the ECB issues euros under government obligations of member states. Or private corporations, as the central banks of Germany and France did after the war. Or under public-private plans and development institutions, as is currently being done in China and, in part, in Japan, India and Brazil. Or under the obligations of foreign states, as was done until recently in our colonially dependent countries. If we cross, like all sovereign countries, to issue of money against the obligations of their enterprisesdevelopment institutions and the state, it is extremely important to ensure control over their intended use. If the money created by the state against the obligations of expanding and modernizing production or under state needs will be stolen or pumped over to speculation, then inflation cannot be avoided.


                  I took just one paragraph. There are many great ideas throughout the text. This is Islamic banking. Issue of money for targeted programs and tight control.
                2. IS-80
                  IS-80 13 December 2015 23: 51 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Bakht
                  In the Islamic banking system, you decided not to understand. These are completely different eggs. This is a completely different type of bank. In principle, Glazyev offers precisely this model of lending to domestic industry. Call it what you want, but he talks about public-private lending and the development of production. I don’t know how else to say it. I’ll not write better than Glazyev himself. And his site is open for reading.

                  Alright, let's leave the Islamic banking theme alone. You like it very much and you do not want to perceive it at all in a critical light. Well, I totally understand you. smile
                  Quote: Bakht
                  It’s good that they even agreed that a weak attachment could save us from the crisis. Or mitigate its effects. This one moment alone makes us seriously consider the issue of untying the ruble from the dollar. Or at least its control by the state

                  What difference does it make if you have a large percentage of the economy working for export. Although the ruble is tied, at least there will be a untied ruble, a crisis in the country during a global crisis.
                  Quote: Bakht
                  Like to be a colony? Well, I understand Azerbaijan. A small country is not with the largest reserves of raw materials and human material. But Russia .... Although you have the flag of the USSR. Accidentally not from the promised land?

                  What are you talking about?
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht 14 December 2015 00: 02 New
                    +3
                    I'm curving, because it's too late already.

                    By fad
                    1. I do not know why you understand me. The term itself does not mean anything. Usury capital is also condemned by Christianity. Just by ear, this credit system began to be called Islamic. But it is developing in Europe. I repeat once again - this system works on sharing the risks of an entrepreneur and a banker. Profit and loss are distributed between the manufacturer and the credit institution. Which requires careful understanding of the loans provided. And zero percent for the loan itself. Another thing is the profit of the enterprise. Since there are few specialists in our banks who can distinguish between healthy production and lime production, the system ordered a long life.

                    2. Who has a large percentage of the economy working for export? In Russia or the USA? Maybe Europe exports a little? The USSR also exported a lot, but did not know the crises. Your arguments somehow do not fit into reality.
                    I quoted Glazyev’s phrase. I won’t say better than he would if I wanted to. Now what is happening in the banking system of the Russian Federation is semi-colonial management. Purely colonial we see in Ukraine. You haven’t reached this point yet.

                    3. About nothing. Just a question. Apparently wrong. I do not have the ability to view all messages. Now I skimmed through the page. Apparently wrong.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 13 December 2015 16: 28 New
    12
    And when they try to stabilize the economy by compressing credit, it means that only those who are very strong, who have already developed, who have a great market position can live.

    So they run the show. Old and new oligarchy. "Family" and friends of Putin. Why should they breed competitors, creating a favorable investment climate and affordable credit policy? They are doing well anyway, world championships and Olympiads, bowels and forests, pipes and ports. Why allow outsiders to access government orders? The bridge to the Crimea and "Plato" The Rotenbergs will "master" themselves. Several clans own 70% of the country's wealth. They are the source and support of the supreme power and the president. They determine the policy of the state. Their clan will is fulfilled by the legislative and executive branches. You can sing as many odes to Putin as you like, "rally" 86% near him, harbor hopes that the "branch of the Federal Reserve System" of the Central Bank and the Gaidar government will disperse. You can eagerly and reverently discuss the wisdom of the messages and the profundity of the silence of the guarantor, but leave the illusion. Putin Their president, you only legitimize his presidency in the elections.
    Therefore, in all sectors of the economy, everything is being done so as not to produce new players, to create unbearable conditions for small businesses, that is, "not for their own." The example of agriculture can be seen. that in such conditions only large agricultural holdings can exist, as exemplified by the introduction of Platon - only large carriers. Glazyev's voice is a voice crying in the wilderness.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 13 December 2015 17: 16 New
      +3
      I agree with you - small firms are doomed. Tested on your own skin.
  • Xxxl
    Xxxl 13 December 2015 16: 29 New
    +6
    I don’t understand one thing: a man seems to be saying the right words and the presidential adviser on economic issues. But why an adviser, if the president still does not listen to his advice ?!
    In turn, Anton Siluanov made it clear that the old model of the economy, based on oil revenues, has exhausted itself, and therefore it is necessary to find a new model. According to him, the main investments should be investments in human capital.

    They repeat it from year to year and with such a look as if every time they discover America. So they already began to really bore.
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  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 13 December 2015 16: 39 New
    +2
    There are a lot of addictions to various people with money. Such an illustrative example once on the air, Putin turned to Abramovich that he would build a couple of stadiums for the 2018 World Cup, obviously due to such dependencies it is impossible to do something without harming another "good man"
  • Vladimir K
    Vladimir K 13 December 2015 16: 43 New
    +7
    Or maybe VVP is a henchman of oligarchic clans, not the people? Really, in 15 years, smartly, it is impossible to sort out the economy, so that industrial capital is satisfied, to deal with the banks, so that loans are at 2-3% and not go into a debt hole. You look at all this, and you get the impression that there is no real owner inside the country, the mess is only multiplying, "indifference is growing," if you have the opportunity to steal - steal, if you want a position - buy, etc. After all, who needs this mess, or is it the reality of being? And on TV, the uncles sit with a sage look, they seem to say the right words - and things are still there. Everything is bad Bolivar can not stand it.
    1. Makk
      Makk 13 December 2015 17: 13 New
      +5
      Or maybe the GDP henchman of the oligarchic clans, and not the people?

      Doubt?
      Really, in 15 years, it’s smart, you can’t deal with the economy so that industrial capital is satisfied, deal with banks, so that loans are at 2-3% and not get into the debt hole.

      Even 23% do not stop our citizens from debt, 2-3% are even scared to imagine (keep in mind that the bulk of loans are taken to purchase imported items).
      After all, someone needs this mess, or is it the reality of being?

      Someone needs this order.
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 13 December 2015 16: 44 New
    +4
    The experience of Primakov-Gerashchenko and Glazyev’s attempts do not dispel the dope of monetary policy a la Kudrin and his comrades? Apparently, this requires a complete collapse of the economy and start all over again?
    1. cap
      cap 13 December 2015 18: 05 New
      +1
      Three times I saved up on white slippers, and each time defaulted. Do you suggest to start saving again?
      There is an analogy with a joke:
      "Comrade fascist, but you can be shot. This is the third time you send me to the gas chamber." laughing .
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 13 December 2015 16: 50 New
    11
    Another boltology of parasites.
    In life, there never is that which cannot be. Only what could happen happens.
    The bet on effective managers naturally led to the fact that money was withdrawn from the real sector of the economy and directed to speculation, and withdrawn abroad. The enterprises did not have working capital, and loans issued had a rate exceeding the profitability of this production, which led to a contraction in industrial production.
    The focus on integration also led to a contraction in production.
    And the motto of EBN, why do we need production - we will sell hydrocarbons - has led to the country's economic dependence on other economies.
    All calls to change the situation were ignored. Now that all the goals of the West have been achieved, we are being pressed in all directions.
    And those who pushed the country toward this are beginning to talk about the need for changes, the possibility of which is already illusory today, and not for that the IMF and the CIA tried to make it possible.
  • anfil
    anfil 13 December 2015 16: 51 New
    +6
    “One of the solutions in this situation, when there is no investment, is to expand development institutions. In particular, the fund for the development of industry, but those resources that the fund manages, and this is 20 billion rubles, enough for 50-60 projects, which is completely insufficient for the tasks assigned to the fund. I would like that at the beginning of next year a new law on control and supervision activities and a law on self-regulation be adopted. ”


    Have you brought anything to mind out of these 50-60 projects? Well, we’ll print more money, we’ll create another bunch of projects and put controlling bodies over this money, and over these bodies one more bodies, well, we’ll do such a lot.

    Recall Vostochny cosmodrome project - The investigation established that over 5 billion rubles were stolen during the construction of the cosmodrome.

    Project domain.RF - Open registration in the domain zone began in November of the 2010 of the year, after government agencies, as well as owners of Russian-speaking trademarks received their addresses. But the matter did not work out from the very beginning, and, as a result, in four and a half years only 800 thousand sites received an address ending in .рф, while in the .ru domain zone there were already more than 5 million of them.

    Skolkovo - How it developed: The future flowering innograd has become a real financial hole for the country's budget, which is already experiencing difficult times. In the 2010 year, at the construction stage, almost 4 billion rubles were allocated for it, a year later, in 2011 - already 15 billion, and in 2012 - even 22 billion.
    In 2013, the authorities seriously considered how to finance Skolkovo further. In total, 2020 billion rubles will be allocated for its creation before the 502 year, but officials assure that their budget is only 135,6 billion, since the project is financed in the format of public-private partnership. The remaining funds should be given by investors, but who exactly, and whether this money is enough for the full development of the project, is still not clear.

    Here are collected large Russian projects worth more than 10 billion rubles in 2012 prices of the year, the implementation of which has already been included in long-term plans without final allocation of funding for the bulk of the work. : http: //ruxpert.ru/Large_Russian_projects_ (Pers
  • potalevl
    potalevl 13 December 2015 16: 52 New
    +6
    I would not like to repeat myself, but I have to. Today, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is a branch of the US Federal Reserve System and must strictly monitor that the number of rubles in the Russian economy is equal to the number of "candy wrappers-dollars" available in the gold-foreign exchange reserves (gold reserves), multiplied by the exchange rate. Example: conventionally in the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation 1 million greens, the rate of 1 dollar = 70 rubles, therefore you should have no more than 70 million rubles.Therefore, in order for you to have more rubles, you need to attract investments (in dollars) or reduce the rate ruble below the plinth, or both at the same time. On the one hand, "Academician" Glazyev calls on us to print as much money as necessary, forgetting that the US Federal Reserve does not prohibit this, and on the other hand, he says that only investments will save us, that is, he does not offer anything new. In addition, he proposes to introduce economic planning. If planning is offered within the framework of one firm (enterprise), then I think the entrepreneur (owner) is guided by his business plan. If planning on a national scale is proposed, then it is necessary to create the structure of the State Planning Commission and to establish for each capitalist what and how much he should do, what is utopia under capitalism. Some comrades propose to transfer government funds and reserves to the Central Bank, which will increase the issue of money, forgetting or not knowing that all these funds and reserves have long been taken into account by the Central Bank in the gold and foreign exchange reserves. Therefore, in order for the country's economy to develop, it is necessary to abandon the Bretton Woods agreement, which makes the Central Bank of the Russian Federation a branch of the US Federal Reserve, to abandon settlements with partners in dollars, to withdraw from the IMF and the WTO. Then we will be able to print money as much as we need, and not wait for investments from "sworn friends". And give loans to their entrepreneurs for the development of production at minimal interest. In the USSR, the State Bank was subordinate to the Supreme Council, and not the US Federal Reserve System, and they printed as much money as was necessary for the country's economy, and loans for the development of the enterprise were issued at 1-2%, and there was a State Planning Committee, but this is another story (the means of production belonged to the state, not individuals). Conclusion - down with the yoke of the US Federal Reserve. So somehow.
    1. anfil
      anfil 13 December 2015 17: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: potalevl
      I would not like to repeat myself, but I have to. Today, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is a branch of the US Federal Reserve System and must strictly monitor that the number of rubles in the Russian economy is equal to the number of "candy wrappers-dollars" available in gold currency reserves (gold reserves) multiplied by the course.


      In GOLD-currency reserves!
      Is that why Russia has been stubbornly buying up gold lately !?

      The Japanese business press claims that Russia is actively preparing for the collapse of the dollar financial system, moreover, not alone, but in a company with China. The Japanese draw such conclusions from the course taken by Moscow and Beijing to build up gold reserves.

      The article “Russia is buying gold. Not only because of sanctions ”was published not by some marginal publication, but by the Japanese business information agency Nikkei - and this makes us take it as seriously as possible:

      http://inosmi.ru/economic/20141008/223504409.html
      View in full: http://politrussia.com/ekonomika/rossiya-skupaet-zoloto-399/
  • DMB3000
    DMB3000 13 December 2015 17: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: avva2012
    What does the support of the population have to do with it? Do you really think that someone really remembers about the population? The mechanics of power, alas, "that's the way it is." Maybe Rotenberg or Sechin or Yakunin, or maybe Timchenko did not give Putin something to carry out ??? Do you believe it yourself ??? Maybe not these full names, but maybe these. I will answer honestly, not that I believe, but practically guess. Logic, a terrible thing.

    oligarchy unfortunately gets in the way like bread crumbs
  • Signaller
    Signaller 13 December 2015 17: 12 New
    0
    It is easy to see that the speakers have no illusions about the real economic situation of our country. Concrete recipes are proposed for achieving sustainable growth, but with all due respect to the forum participants, it remains unclear who exactly will ensure the recovery and further development of the Russian economy. Well, it is clear who will refuse the feeder. Apparently sitting next to. Well, choose me - I agree to disperse this mosquito.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 13 December 2015 17: 13 New
    +3
    In turn, Anton Siluanov made it clear that the old model of the economy, based on income from the sale of oil, has exhausted itself, and therefore it is necessary to find a new model. According to him, the main investments should be investments in human capital.
    Mr. Siluanov - what kind of animal is it that I highlighted in red? Maybe it’s easier without verbal balancing act and immediately into production, existing and new, eh?
    “If for money circulation, with the increase in prices that goes, and some indexation in wages and pensions is not enough cash, then they should just be printed and that's it. What is the problem here?

    Inflation does not arise because of cash, it arises when the Central Bank, using its emission right, issues additional money, including cash, and lends the economy excessively, then inflationary tendencies arise. A purely cash currency must be kept in amounts that are necessary for remuneration, pensions and benefits. ”

    And although I am a simple techie, but the thoughts are exactly the same.
    Those who have opportunities to develop, but who do not have working capital, they can not live a normal life. This is exactly what happened here. Our economy developed when credit was available, when our interest rates declined, and the economy began to fall, when interest rates began to rise.
    Everything is about me personally. It was its production and it was not.
  • Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 13 December 2015 17: 15 New
    +5
    A voice crying in the desert ... The desert is the current Russian "elite". She doesn’t understand anything but how to steal and how to hide what was stolen ... And most importantly, ALL THE GOVERNMENT AND THE PRESIDENT (!) HELP them to destroy the country's economy with their incompetence and impotence in management ... Instead of raising the economy, THEY ARE PUTTING IT PURPOSE ... just do not understand WHY IT IS THIS? After all, there will be no country AND THEY WILL BE ELIMINATED HERE. You don't have to go far for examples - does anyone know an INDIAN BILLION? He doesn’t know because they didn’t have them, they took the country and drove them into reservations and rotted away ... The same fate awaits this "Russian elite" ... Are they really that stupid?
    1. Frigate
      Frigate 13 December 2015 20: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: Former Combat
      And most importantly, ALL THE GOVERNMENT AND THE PRESIDENT (!) HELP them to destroy the country's economy with their incompetence and impotence in management ... Instead of raising the economy, they are purposefully suppressing it ... I just do not understand WHY IT IS? After all, there will be no country and they will be consumed there.


      They all understand. When it dawned on them that Gaddafi’s fate was awaiting them, they immediately began to revive the army, transferring Serdyukov to another direction. But only the army and only for its defense.
      And many cheers-patriots seriously think that Putin and the company are reviving production and the country.
      1. Former
        Former 13 December 2015 23: 27 New
        +2
        + 100500!
        Golden words!

        I constantly say this to "hurray-patriots".
        True, it must be said that, for example, out of 45 people on our watch, there are only 10..12 of them, and there is only one unbending and persistent "hurray-patriot" wink

        Not quite on the topic, about "hurray-patriots":
        In general, it seems that people are slowly starting to understand how they hang noodles on their ears.
  • zarodinus
    zarodinus 13 December 2015 17: 18 New
    +3
    Until we revive the State Bank of the Russian Federation, we will not invest interest-free or deferred payments through this bank — do not wait for the economic growth! Vladimir Vladimirovich! How much can you dance to the tune of 5 columns?
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 13 December 2015 17: 20 New
    +5
    In short - there is a website, forum, radio. It remains to organize a TV channel and the "VO" party in the Duma. winked There are enough specialized economists on the site, as well as in other industries. Roma "Banshee" in deputies! for example
    ....
    Himself such smile
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 December 2015 20: 36 New
      +1
      It just tells us that such a party, in power, with the economy, for the better, cannot do anything.
  • Stepan stepanovich
    Stepan stepanovich 13 December 2015 17: 21 New
    +6

    the main investment should be investment in human capital.
    These gentlemen at least understand the semantic load of the phrases that they use, and at the same time make it an intelligent and mysterious look.
    "Human capital" - what is it?
    It’s not in industrialization, but in “human capital”.
    Do these clowns think people are dumber than themselves?


    Speaking about human capital gentlemen in power mean themselves beloved - with a probability of 146%!
  • sokrat7
    sokrat7 13 December 2015 18: 02 New
    +4
    How many people - so many opinions. And each of us has its own arguments. But personally, I see the problem only in one. As V.I. Lenin once said, people burdened with capital should not be at the head of the state. The rich will take care of preserving and increasing it, and not of the people. That is why we don’t understand much of what our government is doing.
    1. DPN
      DPN 13 December 2015 19: 39 New
      +3
      Very true.
  • question
    question 13 December 2015 18: 26 New
    +1
    and it remains unclear who exactly will ensure the restoration and further development of the Russian economy. Here is our most important misfortune, there are no RESPONSIBLE people! And there are counters of dollars.
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  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 13 December 2015 18: 39 New
    +1
    They scold Putin. Explain why instead of letting foreign goods through tighter Ukraine, he passes laws that protect the Russian manufacturer.
    Before criticizing economic policy, it is necessary to understand that someone will not give us technology and finances, and we should not say that we will come up with everything ourselves. This is nonsense, (whoever has a car, raise the hood and imagine that all this needs to be developed, and replace this with an example.).
    There will be no steady and stable rate of economic growth while we are sitting on raw materials, but for the development of technology we need to develop production, and for the development of production we need technology.
    Imagine yourself a businessman, you will risk money investing in the development of a product that may not be in demand, and you will be broke. It’s easier and more reliable to buy a finished product.
    It is easy to give advice while sitting at the monitor, and without risking money!
    1. cap
      cap 13 December 2015 20: 43 New
      +3
      Imagine YOU open the hood ...."This is nonsense, (who has a car, raise the hood, and imagine that all this needs to be developed, and replace this example.)."
      .... and under the hood .... Russia!
      Talk about your ride on an engine called the USA ...
      The people in the cabin will not agree. The truth is the problem laughing
      You have a soft sign fell off wassat
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 14 December 2015 18: 35 New
        +1
        But essentially?
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 13 December 2015 18: 51 New
    +3
    I grabbed the minuses, only for the question: what achievements did Glazyev have in order to take his theoretical fabrications seriously. He gave an example that if I give advice, I can confirm with achievements. But Glazyev gives advice on changing the socio-economic development of the country, and there should not be a mistake.
    No one could not give an answer to my simple question, therefore I think from an understanding of my innocence, and minuses were instructed in my weakness.
    1. cap
      cap 13 December 2015 20: 05 New
      -2
      Kostya Andreev (1) RU Today, 18:51
      Quote: cap
      There are more such "balabols" in power. hi

      In power means working in government, which is not clear to you?
      The government is pursuing decisions by economists.
      In the form of laws. Read lectures on government structure?
      In this do not do hi .
      For example, particularly persistent
      What does the government do.
      Legislative activity

      All materials Submission of bills to the State Duma. Implementation of decisions of the Constitutional Court. Government commission on legislative activities. Official reviews and conclusions of the Government on draft laws. Amendments of the Government to draft laws. Submission of draft laws on ratification.

      December 11, Friday
      December 11, 2015, Demographic Policy
      On introducing a bill to the State Duma on the extension of the parent program