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Propaganda, PR or informational education

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Propaganda, PR or informational educationAlmost a decade and a half ago (see “NG” from 11.04.02), one of the co-authors of this article wrote that 11 September 2001 of the year was the beginning of the “third world curfew.” Nowadays, this global modern war in the most literal sense “has come to us”. After all, Article 51 of the UN Charter, in accordance with which Russia has been exercising its inalienable right to self-defense from the terrorist threat since 17 of November of this year, means the need to conduct active military actions necessary to destroy the source of terrorist attacks. And the fact that this source is not so much territorial as ideological and fundamentalist ... Well, this is the peculiarity of warfare in our turbulent, global world ...


PSYCHOLOGICAL FIGHTING


However, as Alexander Dumas correctly noted, “ideas cannot be fought in the same way as people”. The fact that the war of the future will be fundamentally different, and its main front will be the information front, in the 50 – 70-s of the last century warned the former colonel of the General Staff of the Russian Imperial Army, Professor Yevgeny E. Messner (1891 – 1974), famous as the author of the very concept of pasty. It seems appropriate to quote some of the fundamental tenets of the relevant doctrine concerning the confrontation of the parties in the area of ​​what Messner himself called psychological warfare (see “NG” from 05.11.99).

“In former wars, the conquest of territory was considered important. Henceforth, the conquest of souls in a warring state will be revered as the most important ...

In a future war they will fight not on the line, but on the entire surface of the territories of both opponents ... Fronts will arise behind the armed front - political, social, economic; they’ll fight not on a two-dimensional surface, like in old times, not in three-dimensional space, as was the case since the military aviation, and in four-dimensional, where the psyche of the warring peoples is the fourth dimension ...

The most important task in the pastry days are the unification of their people and the attraction to their part of the people of a hostile state. In former times, for the formation of the ideological, political base of the war, it was enough to gain the support of the leading stratum among the people. Now, every warrior and every citizen comes into contact with hostile-minded, with defectors, provocateurs, with enemy propagandists, with passing, but dissident people, and therefore psychological treatment should apply to all classes of the people ... Myatozhevoyna is a war of all against all, and the enemy is and tribesman, and an ally - and a tribe. Each person must have a quiver with psychological arrows and a psychological shield.

The task of psychological warfare is to bring panic into the soul of the enemy and to preserve the spirit of his troops and people.

In the past, the choice is very difficult due to the abundance of goals and the difference in their specific weight (purely psychological, material with a psychological tint, purely material). You can establish a hierarchy of goals: 1) the collapse of the morality of the enemy people; 2) the defeat of its active part (the armies, guerrilla warfare, fighting popular movements); 3) the seizure or destruction of objects of psychological value; 4) the seizure or destruction of objects of material value ...

To excite, to excite, to inflate the nerves of the people is tantamount to giving them stimulants: from time to time - perhaps it is useful, but incessantly - more harmful than cocaine and marijuana. Nevertheless, agitation should be considered one of the main means of conducting rebelliousness: offensive agitation helps to weaken the enemy, defensive agitation strengthens our spirit (defensive does not dare to defend, defend, apologize, but must actively activate the emotions and thoughts of our ... wrestlers and non-wrestlers) ...

Agitation during a war must be two-faced: one half-truth for its own, the other for the enemy. But there is also little duplicity - so many different things are required, so to speak: for each level of consciousness, for each category of morals, aptitudes, interests - a special logic, sincerity or deceit, intelligence or sentiment ...

All this makes the conduct of psychological warfare a very difficult art. ”

The art in which the very concept of propaganda, which has received a more euphonious naming as PR, has reached a qualitatively new level, becoming the key tool of the military-political struggle. Undoubtedly, it would not be an exaggeration to claim that the 21st century was the century of information wars, that is, the era of confrontation aimed at achieving political, economic, military and other goals not by external subordination, but by winning dominance over the minds, hearts and souls of people.

NEW REALITY


One of the first wars of this kind was the campaign of the armed forces of the United States and other NATO countries in Iraq from March 20, 2003 to December 15, 2011. Actually, the fighting in it, according to many experts, mainly played an auxiliary function. Moreover, their very course was to a large extent built in accordance with the information and propaganda plans of the advancing side. Reality itself in this war often became only a product of news scriptwriters and existed according to the laws and rules of a news television picture (remember the notorious "rescue of private Jessica").

In fact, the reality was not even tailored to the templates - it was simply formed in such a way that the news provided by the global mass media and propaganda system was as expressive as possible and had the necessary effect on the target audience. And the main target audience of propaganda in the modern rebellion for the “forces of good” (due to the specific gravity ratios themselves) became precisely “their own”, and not “enemies”. Worldwide coverage of what is happening on the territory of the same Iraq was aimed primarily not at the inhabitants of this country, but rather at the citizens of Western countries. In which it was necessary to arouse a sense of inner cohesion, sympathy and involvement in the noble liberation mission of the "paladins of freedom" ...

The mission, which, strictly speaking, in terms of stated goals, ended in complete failure. Following the withdrawal of troops of the western coalition (which was never able to win the terrorist war that began immediately after the overthrow of Saddam, the death toll during which, by the way, has long exceeded the number of casualties of the almost 30-year Hussein rule) The Islamic State (IG is an extremist organization banned in Russia), very quickly subjugating almost the entire western part of neighboring Syria, which by then became the field of another experiment to promote "democratic goals all the same mint-beige. In Russia, the IG realized the danger rather quickly - and promptly banned the activities of this organization, and then began a systematic (and completely within the framework of international law) fight against this organization and similar terrorist communities. For a long time, the West has divided terrorists into "bad" and "good" ... The whole world has already seen the results of this kind of division many times - New York, Paris, etc.

It would seem, what have the propaganda or PR? Given that this whole situation has shown the obvious danger of the social and psychological consequences of the impact of modern propaganda on its own target audience. The most dangerous of these was the massive loss of the ability to adequately perceive and realize what was happening, which, in turn, resulted from the most powerful autohypnosis of both the broad masses and the elite strata of society. The mentioned autohypnosis, which allows to interpret any events taking place exclusively “in one way”, ultimately leads to an avalanche-like loss of the ability to think and act independently and, in essence, turns people into the most real information zombies.

With all this, the public in conditions of this kind are not even “washing”, but rather “brainwashing” is ready (with the appropriate “information pressure”) to make and justify almost any decisions. In fact, the same psychological mechanism works, which is formed by adherents of totalitarian sects who are not able to doubt the correctness of the next “only true and true teaching” of their “gurus”, no matter how absurd or cannibalistic this teaching is.

Necromancers, zombies and cragles


Of course, it is naive to think that this kind of degradation does not come back as a boomerang. Of course, it is returning, and, for example, the development of events in neighboring Ukraine convincingly testifies to this. But for us the other is more important - the need to learn even from someone else’s negative experience. Indeed, in this case it is not just a crisis, but about the psychological health of people. And in the end - about the future of the society and the state itself. After all, informational zombies incapable of conscious creative activity due to certain events can very easily get out of control. And to become easy prey for the enemy's "necromancers" intercepting the administration, turning its own people, including its armed part, against its enemy ...

Defeated in 1940, France, according to supporters of General de Gaulle, lost from a military point of view because it looked like a knight clad in armor (the Maginot Line) who did not have a sword (mobile mechanized offensive units and formations). Other adherents of the modern “total propaganda” or “total military PR” remind us of supporters of the opposite approach - information berserks who are ready to rush into battle without armor, with one sword in their hands. The problem, however, is that often the berserks, intoxicated with the “divine drink” from the fly agarics, did not return from the battlefield alive ... And sometimes the berserkers who entered the "battle rage" were forced to kill their own - for when the enemies were drunk with excitement and blood berserks threw themselves on their own ... In conditions when, according to medical research, more than a quarter of Americans and some mental problems are experienced by about a quarter of Americans and about 40% of EU citizens, the issue of ensuring the primary protection of psychological health information rd population becomes critical. For when in 1990 – 1991 the level with “insufficiency” in the field of psychological health reached the 50-percentage among our fellow citizens, the country suffered a sad fate ...

But in modern conditions, the entire population of Russia is joining the struggle on the fronts of the global rebellion. And by virtue of this alone, neglecting the issues of information protection (including from the negative consequences of the unconditional necessary “propaganda stimulation”) is completely unacceptable! Especially since these effects have already manifested themselves in the fate of other nations and states! Is it not time to recall the words of E.E. Messner that people should be excited only on a case by case basis, and should propaganda activate not only feelings, but also thoughts?

How can this kind of balance be achieved?

GIVE IT ALLOWN


It seems that in modern conditions it is absolutely necessary to quickly develop and adopt the concept of a kind of “information all-education” - mass education of the population in civil defense (civil protection) skills in the field of information security. In zones contaminated with radiation or poisonous substances, special protective measures are necessary - but the same applies to the “information-toxic” zones, and they are a significant part of the “four-dimensional global gloom space”. Under these conditions, one of the tasks of our own propaganda should be the formation of a kind of “protective ideological and logical field” capable of playing for all our people the role of an “armored dome of solidarity” in the entire psychological space of informational confrontation.

To some extent, such “defensive propaganda” is even more important than offensive propaganda. And, of course, its all-encompassing character can only be achieved using the domestic media system. Who should remember that in addition to the function of informing and the function of forming public opinion, they also have the function of mass social education. But besides the media, our state, undoubtedly, should always remember this, as it strives to protect its people from modern global threats ...
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  1. shooter18
    shooter18 12 December 2015 17: 43 New
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    Such a war became possible due to the blurring of the concept of good and evil and the opportunity to openly discuss things that in a healthy society and will not discuss it! In general, I think that the state should take on the protective function for the population.
    1. Uran
      Uran 12 December 2015 18: 16 New
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      In Syria, militants seize passport desks and, according to new documents, enter Europe under the guise of refugees. According to Syrian documents, terrorists also have the opportunity to receive reinforcements from other countries in the Arab Republic itself. Syrian journalist Mudar Heyerbek told why the US and the EU are only now concerned about this problem.

      “Why do they use these passports, because it helps to cross the border, here, like the Syrians. In fact, there are a lot of people from the Caucasus, from the Arab republics, from the Middle East, well, basically a lot of foreigners they use Syrian passports. This is actually America raised the question now, why? Because they do not want ISIS to return to their countries, and many of them from Europe, they return with Syrian passports. America has now raised a question to block their path to come to its territory. She herself is afraid of them, although she helps them, sponsors them and many Arab countries. And many governments help them. But now they have lifted you, they don’t want the terrorists to return to Europe using these passports, ”said Syrian journalist Mudar Khairbek.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 12 December 2015 19: 23 New
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        It should be noted that the Bologna education system with its Unified State Examination works by and large against Russia. The Unified State Exam passing system orientates future applicants not to understanding the knowledge system itself and the scientific methodologies themselves by which this knowledge is obtained, but to primitive cramming of the information that already exists.
        Such a Bologna formation is similar to the behavior of a pack of wolves driven to shoot, which hunters overlaid with red flags and who can’t guess what kind of flags can be released. As a result, all driven wolves are shot.
        Recently, I was at a scientific and practical conference, at which a report was presented on how society interprets what is happening in the country and the world for different age groups. And it turned out that A critical understanding of what is happening in people of the age group up to 35-40 years ALREADY does not currently depend on whether they have a higher education or not. Both think differently. - template primitive, - without going beyond the framework of information and educational school programs. People with higher education do not have their own ideas.
        But older people who received higher education in the Soviet era, think differently when assessing what is happening - and depending on the level of your education. The higher their level of education, the more unconventional, the more creative their thoughts and the results of the analysis of the situation in the country and abroad they demonstrate.
        Here are the "fruits" of the Bologna educational system in comparison with the Soviet one. And this is just one of many negative indicators of the consequences of the transition of education to the system of admission to universities based on the results of only passing the Unified State Exam.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 12 December 2015 19: 58 New
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          You know, I have been teaching at the university since 1982 of the year and have seen a lot, and I have attended conferences ... without an account. And I have a lot of students. And one principle always worked 80% and 20%. 20% - capable, the rest ... so-so. The Bologna system corresponds to the ownership system. A person must also correspond to it. What else do you need? Return to the past does not work, besides how it ended we know.
          1. Grim Reaper
            Grim Reaper 12 December 2015 20: 44 New
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            According to the style of your comment ... God forbid our children from such teachers. Pysy. 90/10, not 80/20. Happy couch!
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 12 December 2015 22: 05 New
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              You would, kalibr, at least say what you teach and where. This is important for understanding which sociological sample you are in. We are talking about disturbing facts for the national security of the Russian Federation, which were discovered in a sociological study today on issues related to the Bologna education system.
              You do not like the 1 / 1 Soviet system of education, which, by the way, was considered the best in the whole world at that time and which, for example, was adopted and preserved so far in the Czech Republic; Bologna cramming is harmful - without the concept of information - the education system with its uncritical template deception of the population for Russia - offer YOURSELF!
              You speak
              The Bologna system corresponds to the ownership system. A person must also correspond to it. What else do you need? Return to the past does not work, besides how it ended we know.
              That's just it, that the Bologna system corresponds to the ideology of M. Friedman fictional idealistic and not existing in reality the so-called "Clean" market of capital, goods and labor with its montage. With all the reasons that led to the introduction of Western multiculturalism, tolerance for the dominance of the national - Russian - labor market by low-skilled foreign labor migrants and the decrease in their wages of Russians, etc., etc. I do not want to continue further.
              And you personally just demonstrate not only your commitment to the Bologna education system, but you do not strive and, apparently, are not able to creatively go beyond its boundaries and understand the political situation in the world that it reflects. This is exactly what you have that very negative trend, which was discussed at the conference.
              It seems that if you lived in Ukraine, you would probably ride with genuine joy and enthusiasm along with the students you taught on the Maidan! That's about people like you, and is discussed in the article.

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              1. Botanologist
                Botanologist 12 December 2015 23: 13 New
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                It’s difficult to deal with PR. Although you are a fighting cat, even a dragon Gugu. Critical thinking and higher education only lengthen the task.
                Do you know who in the 30s was the most difficult person under investigation for the NKVD?
                Blacksmiths.
                They cannot be manipulated.
                And the intelligentsia injected and thrashed at times. Not because they are stupid - because they have many restrictions and they let everything "through themselves".
                Believe me, as a specialist, an intellectual, even with the Bologna system, even with the shovel, it’s not very difficult to drive out to the Maidan. These are people who live by affects.
                so information wars require primarily psychological preparation, not educational skills.
              2. 8 inches
                8 inches 12 December 2015 23: 59 New
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                and before you bark a person, you could see who it is. And Vyacheslav did a lot to promote Russian history. I remember his articles from the beginning of 90. The tank master’s journal and many more. But from you on this site I often see only tantrums I personally made conclusions. And if you lived in Ukraine you would be in the forefront of horses ... my conclusion based on your posts.
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                2. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 13 December 2015 02: 08 New
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                  8 inches
                  and you before barking a person could and see who it is ...
                  Sorry, dear 8 inches, but for each comment in the forum member forum you will not look every time. As the comment is written - so it is reacted to. Purely by comment.

                  but from you on this site I often see ONLY tantrums.
                  It seems so biased to you. Tantrums on “VO” are not welcomed at all - and I wouldn’t gain positive feedback on my, as you said, “hysterical” comments. I always try to speak frankly on the merits of the issue under consideration. If you do not agree with me, then this does not mean that I have a “hysteria”. Or do you also not like those forum users who vote for my comments? Then this is your problem.
                  The rest of your insolvent, illogical slander against me I do not consider necessary.
                  Good luck to you!
                  1. 8 inches
                    8 inches 13 December 2015 11: 14 New
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                    as written and reacted .. that I didn’t see in the caliber comment that he would call you a maydown ... Or do you also not like those forum users who vote for my comments? ..and it’s nowhere at all — since when did you start to speak for a lot? That is, you insulted an elderly and respectable person and now you are offended? Otherwise, I don’t call this a tantrum.
          2. Erg
            Erg 12 December 2015 21: 02 New
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            I completely agree with you. I believe that education should not be confused with education, in the broad sense of the term hi
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          4. EvgNik
            EvgNik 13 December 2015 09: 33 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            You know, I have been teaching at the university since 1982 and have seen a lot, and I have attended conferences ... without an account. And I have students ... a lot ..... The Bologna system corresponds to the ownership system. A man must also correspond to her.. What more do you need? Going back into the past will not work, and besides how it ended we know.

            It can be seen what kind of teacher you are. And it’s very unfortunate that there are a lot of your students. You are not a teacher, but a liberal lapdog. To the West, Mr. Good, to the West, to Bologna.
        2. varov14
          varov14 13 December 2015 04: 45 New
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          So the elite’s goal was to grow zombies out of the population, though they received the muzzles from their Western partners and begin to enter the mind, but not fast enough, they may not be in time, then they’ll surely wipe other people's heads with our hands.
    2. Inok10
      Inok10 12 December 2015 18: 18 New
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      Quote: shooter18
      Such a war became possible due to the blurring of the concept of good and evil and the opportunity to openly discuss things that in a healthy society and will not discuss it! In general, I think that the state should take on the protective function for the population.

      .. absolutely right .. pay attention to attempts to promote memes: "colorad", "quilted jacket", kremlebot "," putinoid ".. but this is not enough, now hurray-patriot .. that is, you can stick it to any person who cares about his Fatherland .. just yesterday someone A. Staver tried to open our eyes by telling us what everyone has known for a long time .. in Russia there are two troubles, roads and fools .. does anyone not know this? .. but here is its form " definitions "was not chosen by chance .. the Faithful and Righteous Witness of all the exploits of Russian Arms, Courage and Power of the Spirit of the Russian-URA and the word Patriot are combined ..
      Dahl's dictionary: “PATRIOT, patriot, lover of the fatherland, zealot for his welfare, отч изн олю олю,,,’, a native or a father-in-law. Patriotism m. Love of the motherland. Patriotic, aloof, domestic, full of love for the fatherland. Patrimonial, paternal, otniy, stepfather, fatherly. “

      and about URA: .. Feofan Gorbunov "Simple Russian Ura" .. fragment
      And it helped - they won!
      With “Hurray!” - gained a victory.
      Freedom was given to all of Europe,
      And they could defeat fascism.

      In any war, that helped
      Where Russian speech was.
      With “Hurray!” - Napoleon was driven
      The sword was honed in glory!

      With “Hurray!” greet the heroes
      With a victory, coming - from battles.
      Meet and labor, heroes,
      In which success was gained.

      We show any joy
      We often, in a word, are everything.
      We praise someone, congratulations,
      Hooray! always saying.

      How much is connected with that word
      How many were victories with him!
      And do not replace it with a new one,
      Indeed, equal in strength, he - no!

      .. therefore, it is worthwhile to be very careful about what you are invited to accept without thinking .. I myself do not accept A. Staver’s definition .. The Russian language is very rich and strong .. there are plenty of antonyms in it .. I have the honor! ..
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    5. Tatarname
      Tatarname 12 December 2015 19: 40 New
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      Censorship in Russia is again working in full swing. Limit from objective coverage of the collapse of the economy and society. Pensioners are starving, people are being evicted from their apartments onto the street, and so on. But we are bombing terrorists. Okay. And the origins of terrorism. Poverty, unemployment, inequality before the law, stratification of society (especially in Russia). Forward on the cons, couch generals and "masturbating" teenagers.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 12 December 2015 20: 16 New
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        Is censorship working right now? Have you been banned in VO?
        Go try the sites "democratic" and say what you think there.
        Pensioners are starving - they eat right through the central channels. And there are people who are being evicted "into the street" too. People are different, cases are different - listen, look, draw conclusions.
      2. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 12 December 2015 20: 50 New
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        Quote: Tatarname
        Censorship in Russia is again working to its full potential. Limit from objective coverage the collapse of the economy and society. Pensioners are starving, people are being evicted from apartments to the street and so on.

        Oh yes, the funniest howl of the "white tape".) The biggest proof that there is no censorship in Russia is people like you express "their" opinion.)

        Quote: Tatarname
        But we bomb terrorists. Good. And the origins of terrorism.

        Well, it's better to bomb on foreign territory than in your own cities, because such compassionate "defenders and patriots of their homeland" will immediately run away.

        Quote: Tatarname
        Poverty, unemployment, inequality before the law, stratification of society (especially in Russia).

        All of the above is everywhere observed, if a person does not want to work, think and tear off his fifth point, then this will especially happen to him no matter in which country.)

        Quote: Tatarname
        Forward on the cons, couch generals and "masturbating" teenagers.

        An unsuccessful move "labeling", they say, who will put a minus that such a bad, straight kindergarten, it seems to me that you are either a boy of 10 years old, which is very unlikely because they are not very interested in politics, or a dimwitted provocateur.)
        1. onix757
          onix757 12 December 2015 21: 02 New
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          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          Oh yes, the funniest howl of the "white tape".) The biggest proof that there is no censorship in Russia is people like you express "their" opinion.)

          From your point of view, what kind of "correct" patriot should be, whom to support and which views to share and which not?
          Well, it's better to bomb on foreign territory than in your own cities, because such compassionate "defenders and patriots of their homeland" will immediately run away.

          Then why not to bomb Ukraine, it is closer and more important.
          All of the above is everywhere observed, if a person does not want to work, think and tear off his fifth point, then this will especially happen to him no matter in which country.)

          So where to work if the power of the enterprise closes, and small business pressed to a nail. Or do you offer everyone to go to the market to trade?
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 13 December 2015 08: 37 New
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            Quote: onix757
            From your point of view, what kind of "correct" patriot should be, whom to support and which views to share and which not?

            A "correct patriot" should think with his own head, and not weave nonsense about "freedom of speech", or change the training manual.)

            Quote: onix757
            Then why not to bomb Ukraine, it is closer and more important.

            If you want to bomb someone, sign up for volunteers and go.) And so without you the leadership will decide who to bomb and who not.

            Quote: onix757

            So where to work if the power of the enterprise closes, and small business pressed to a nail. Or do you offer everyone to go to the market to trade?

            Isn't that so? Have all the factories been closed? Can I be curious?) What profession are you?) "I can predict the answer either an engineer at a factory that is being closed, or a school teacher in a village school that is also being closed, or a medical worker of a medical institution rotten from corruption, which is also being closed.")
            1. varov14
              varov14 13 December 2015 10: 43 New
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              Phantom, you've been carried somewhere. You somehow reject a normal life for an engineer, a closing enterprise, a rural teacher, a doctor. In the institution where he worked there is an order of magnitude less corruption than in any cabinet of our government. By the way, when the state covered up any enterprise, it always promised employment, or even create a new production it needed, but never fulfilled its promises. We remember the days of shuttles. Covering small hospitals, paramedic posts are generally not a disguised genocide of the population, since while they are taken from the hinterland to the nearest hospital a hundred kilometers away, a person will move his legs. If the so-called high-tech centers save a hundred people, we will lose a thousand. And women who go to give birth to a foreign city are generally absurd. They don't take it in advance, and then the poor man gives birth in the car of his husband, that's where the stress is. And is this a state of equal opportunities? Although American Kosov are called stupid, we can turn out to be fools. They imposed sanctions on us, surrounded us with bases, knitted us in the war. Now they need restraint, our government is in the clouds, is engaged in verbiage and an apple will fall into their hands. One thing our elite cannot think of is that both of its branches, both patriotic and liberal, will not be needed. Patriotic by definition, but liberal, it has fulfilled its role, it is not capable of management. Therefore, in the conquered state, the next one will come to control - the "Gestapo", the people must be kept in check and obedience, which we are now seeing in Ukraine, and the first two elites will simply be physically destroyed, there will be fewer problems for the conquerors. The people will have to decide where he is - in the "Gestapo" or in the sheep. Before it’s too late, it’s better to take a step back - to a welfare state, and not make a population out of ...
            2. Maksus
              Maksus 13 December 2015 21: 28 New
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              Hey, you don’t touch the health workers, I also found corrupt officials. The State Duma will not close something, I look.
      3. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 12 December 2015 21: 29 New
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        Quote: Tatarname
        But we bomb terrorists.

        Therefore, terrorists do not bomb us.
      4. Proud.
        Proud. 12 December 2015 22: 07 New
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        Quote: Tatarname
        Censorship in Russia is again working to its full potential.

        Excuse me ... Is this what you write? Ah? Censorship works EVERYWHERE and EVERYWHERE. In all Countries and States, Under any Social and Economic system.
        Quote: Tatarname
        Pensioners are starving, people are being evicted from apartments to the street and so on.

        Yes, there is such a thing, and it is sad.
        Quote: Tatarname
        And the origins of terrorism. Poverty, unemployment, inequality before the law, stratification of society

        The origins of terrorism are the lack of thinking of individual individuals + a well-planned methodology for managing them. Terrorism (Terrorism - one of the options for tactics of political struggle associated with the use of ideologically motivated violence) has no justification. The assertion of the opposite is a cynical lie.

        Quote: Tatarname
        (especially in Russia)
        Well of course! And for the sake of this statement, did you write a comment? Bravo (sarcasm)

        Quote: Tatarname
        Forward on the cons, couch generals and "masturbating" teenagers.

        And they will minus you, for rudeness.
    6. Tatarname
      Tatarname 12 December 2015 23: 14 New
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      Good and evil! Is the state an ephemeral concept? Consists of which of people or territory? And for whom is the concept of state necessary? I understand that if a person lives well in a state - he and his family and children are well off - this is the state. And when he sees a daily chatter about new weapons and bombing, and puzzles how to feed his family for a salary, buy new shoes for children and fix a broken vacuum cleaner - an idea is born in my head - instead of just one rocket into space - I’d better get a pensioner a thousand to retire and salary.
      1. Dimachrus
        Dimachrus 13 December 2015 00: 33 New
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        Porridge in your head, speaking softly ... Do you definitely live in Russia ??? What I personally doubt very much, for a pensioner who dreams of a thousand for retirement and a salary for new shoes for children is simply a masterpiece !!! In our country, pensioners are much more adapted to catastrophes of a universal scale in the form of a broken vacuum cleaner)))) You do not understand, they grew up and lived in the USSR. I am aware that in your world this is something of a fantasy category, but believe me, when a vacuum cleaner breaks down, it will not grow with dirt, because unlike you, they know and know how to use a simple device called a broom (venik)
        Write more - very funny)))
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 13 December 2015 01: 14 New
          +6
          Quote: Dimachrus
          Porridge in your head, speaking softly ... Do you definitely live in Russia ??? What I personally doubt very much, for a pensioner who dreams of a thousand for retirement and a salary for new shoes for children is simply a masterpiece !!! In our country, pensioners are much more adapted to catastrophes of a universal scale in the form of a broken vacuum cleaner)))) You do not understand, they grew up and lived in the USSR. I am aware that in your world this is something of a fantasy category, but believe me, when a vacuum cleaner breaks down, it will not grow with dirt, because unlike you, they know and know how to use a simple device called a broom (venik)
          Write more - very funny)))

          ... plus definitely .. Soviet man, surprise? .. try .. especially after the 90s ..
        2. sa-ag
          sa-ag 13 December 2015 08: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Dimachrus
          What I personally doubt very much, for a pensioner who dreams of a thousand for retirement and a salary for new shoes for children is simply a masterpiece !!!

          Well, my mother is retired and from an extra "thousand" to a pension, like many others, she would not refuse at all, so to put it mildly, your message is strange
          1. Dimachrus
            Dimachrus 13 December 2015 23: 57 New
            0
            I don’t argue, the pension increase will not be superfluous, but I doubt very much that your mother dreams of adding to the pension to fix the vacuum cleaner or to buy shoes for you. I hope the message is more clear?
        3. Maksus
          Maksus 13 December 2015 21: 31 New
          0
          Well, yes, our pensioners are so rich that a thousand is not money for them. It seems you have not looked in the Russian Federation for a long time.
          1. Dimachrus
            Dimachrus 14 December 2015 00: 00 New
            0
            Maksim is mistaken, not only did he not look into the RF, but rather, he never looked anywhere. Read carefully before jumping to conclusions.
    7. varov14
      varov14 13 December 2015 04: 38 New
      0
      First of all, the state elite within themselves should be cleaned up, otherwise they will have a split, or even a breakdown of personality. And the fish, as you know, rots from the head.
  2. Uran
    Uran 12 December 2015 17: 43 New
    -1
    Forbes: In the event of a war with Russia, NATO has little chance of victory

    "The Russian army has become not only more professional, but has adopted a range of advanced conventional weapons, while America and its allies are not investing enough in new technology," Thompson writes.

    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 12 December 2015 17: 46 New
      15
      they constantly praise us. so that we relax and believe in our own invincibility. But that was already in the late 80s and early 90s.
    2. shooter18
      shooter18 12 December 2015 17: 51 New
      +1
      This is not true, slyness on the part of Thompson! America allocates colossal funds for new technologies and weapons !! It's just that the level of corruption in their "democratic" society is so high and is already considered part of democracy, and in general with the principle: only for themselves, they cost a lot ...
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 12 December 2015 18: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: shooter18
        It's just that the level of corruption in their "democratic" society is so high and is already considered part of democracy, and in general with the principle: only for themselves, they cost a lot ...

        A colleague, in itself, is somewhat absent from the issue of corruption in public procurement for America. There is practically no system of "direct" kickbacks in the United States. There is a system of lobbying interests, you can certainly draw an analogy between our corruption and American lobbying, but this will be somewhat inaccurate. The point, in my subjective opinion, is that lobbyism is a legalized state system that pursues the interests of a certain group of people, which is in the legal field of the United States. For us, this is certainly strange, but in the USA it is quite natural. Hence the growth of US budget spending in the defense sector. By the way, the Americans do not complex on this issue, for them it is natural, since it does not go beyond the law, then it is possible.
        Something like that, colleague. hi
        Although, of course, by and large Ba is right, if we proceed from our worldview. soldier
  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 12 December 2015 17: 45 New
    +5
    the necromancers will converge. zombies and berserkers. And everyone will be right
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 12 December 2015 17: 50 New
      +3
      And in the end, those who observe the "battles" from the side will win. laughing
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 12 December 2015 19: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      necromancers. zombies and berserkers.

      Who do you relate to?
  4. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 12 December 2015 17: 48 New
    +2
    You just need to have a head on your shoulders, and then no propaganda is scary.
  5. Teberii
    Teberii 12 December 2015 17: 51 New
    +2
    We also learned something from the Americans, a beautiful war with accurate bombing. Press conferences with UAV and satellite images. We had good teachers, but the student who wants to surpass his teacher is bad.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 13 December 2015 09: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Teberii
      We also learned something from the Americans, a beautiful war with accurate bombing

      You want to say that the Yankees very accurately bomb civilians? And they basically bombed him so that they would not get destroyed military facilities. If so, then maybe. Only here we have different goals. Which is observed in Syria.
  6. minus
    minus 12 December 2015 17: 55 New
    +9
    I’m also a patriot cheer ....
    Only in case of war ... Yes tries ..... Damn, there is no normal domestic policy. On the ground live creatures who seized power after the collapse of the USSR ... Until now ...
    1. Teberii
      Teberii 12 December 2015 18: 00 New
      0
      And you are a patriot, think about yourself, but with this approach it’s easier to go and give up right away. Everything is all around .........
  7. minus
    minus 12 December 2015 17: 57 New
    +4
    Here we are sitting here, cursing, discussing ... Only nothing depends on us ...
    1. cap
      cap 12 December 2015 19: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: Minus
      Here we are sitting here, cursing, discussing ... Only nothing depends on us ...

      I do not agree with you.
      Society should be, simply must be, consolidated. I will not say anything about what this means. Look for yourself. Communicating people united by one idea, beyond religious and ethnic identity, is society itself. Within the same borders, there is also the STATE. If you are part of this society from you, your physical and moral stamina depends on what Russia will be considered a state.
      A mongrel that you can poke on and she will run away with her tail tail, or a lion, which must be quietly walked around even when he is sleeping.
      Think about it at your leisure. hi
      1. ancient
        ancient 12 December 2015 20: 22 New
        -2
        Quote: cap
        Society should be, simply must be, consolidated. I will not say anything about what this means. Look for yourself. Communicating people united by one idea, beyond the boundaries of religious and ethnic identity, is society itself.


        This is called "urya-patriotic NOODLES" soldier

        Go to YouTube and see .. "how the cops" consolidated "today on Constitution Day wassat in Moscow.

        So I with you .. categorically disagree! soldier
        1. Junior, I
          Junior, I 12 December 2015 20: 55 New
          +1
          Judging by the comments, you are in opposition.
          1. ancient
            ancient 12 December 2015 21: 17 New
            -3
            Quote: Younger, I
            Judging by the comments, you are in opposition.


            No .... I live by the Laws and I honor the Constitution of the Russian Federation as the main Law, and not those ... which say ... "the one who has more RIGHTS"! wink

            And essentially can you say something?



            So what about article 31 of the BASIC LAW of the Russian Federation? wink Or "you" .. "the law is like a drawbar ... where I turned there and .. went out" wassat
            1. Junior, I
              Junior, I 12 December 2015 21: 59 New
              +1
              Was the rally authorized?
              Before defending the opposition, check the Old, how much they were right by law!
              And judging by the fact that they came out this way, this once again proves that they were paid for this fifth column exit.
            2. The comment was deleted.
            3. Botanologist
              Botanologist 12 December 2015 23: 22 New
              +1
              Greetings, dear.
              As for the apple rally, I won’t say anything, but here's an interesting topic - the other day, an order came to lower the rating of one mayor. The mayor is rumored to show on TV. And we begin, of course, with such a rally. The same Yabloko. And the slogans are for justice, law and order.
              I don’t name the customer’s name, but he too ... for law and order.
              So black and white vision is not applicable here. I would have packed the Yabloko people myself - they didn’t allow the rally, and there’s no need to scold the authorities, at least the Chekists, even the priests. And then we have everything as always - if we are for the truth, then laws are not needed.
              This is so, in particular. The question is different - who is the customer and the PR concept - accompanying this event. Then it will be possible to understand whether this is a good rally or a bad one. But you can’t see the movie in individual frames.
              1. sa-ag
                sa-ag 13 December 2015 08: 38 New
                0
                Quote: Botanologist
                but here’s an interesting topic - the other day the order came to lower the rating of one mayor

                Savchenko or what? I have the impression that as in the 90s business was wrung out, so here
                1. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 13 December 2015 10: 42 New
                  0
                  Not. Savchenko is the governor, and they asked us about the mayor.
                  Well, about 90's, somewhere close.
            4. fivanec
              fivanec 13 December 2015 12: 26 New
              0
              Although I do not agree with all your comments on foreign policy, but I am absolutely in favor of the Constitution as the BASIC, untouchable law.
        2. Erg
          Erg 12 December 2015 21: 50 New
          -1
          Cho? Did you want "changes"? Revolutionaries xrenovy! The situation in the country is very difficult, requiring consolidation and discipline from the population. While we have to resist the Western henchmen outside the Fatherland, to beat the foundations of the state inside the country - there is treason. Let them say thank you to the "cops", I would send them all to bring down the trees. Stalin spent how much effort and years to eradicate this infection ...
          1. Junior, I
            Junior, I 12 December 2015 22: 31 New
            0
            one more wise guy was found, without you skating.
            I myself know about the situation!
          2. fivanec
            fivanec 13 December 2015 13: 28 New
            0
            you need to see who is the infection and who is not
  8. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 12 December 2015 18: 01 New
    +3
    GIVE IT ALLOWN

    I am sure it would be very useful. Firstly, you never know what God forbid, and secondly, it might come to the growing youth that in fact Russia has enemies, and it is necessary to be "on the alert", so to speak, whoever is warned is armed.
  9. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 12 December 2015 18: 03 New
    +6
    Something somewhere around the bush! To form public opinion is one thing, but to educate a person's spirit is another. The United States uses different methods of destruction. Either this is a direct military intervention, or it is zombifying people by eliminating values ​​and morals, and against the background of spiritual emptiness forms a false idea, then color revolutions take place, when hundreds, thousands of empty, intoxicated people gather, ready for promises to pogrom their country. And they don't care about their history, their merits, their country. You can come up with a false religion, and gather thousands of such "believers" into one company, ask them the enemy and go ahead guys ... there are many options! Choose the taste. The worst thing is that they succeed. It is scary that people give in. And this is the result of the work of the state! Freedom does not lead to anything good. An empty space quickly does something else. This can be the right base, or it can be disastrous in the case of ISIS ..
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 12 December 2015 23: 32 New
      0
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Shaping public opinion is one thing, and educating a person’s spirit is another.

      Spirit is the ability to resist some kind of temptation or deprivation. And public opinion is a mechanism for applying that very spirit. So you replace psychology with culture. This is a big mistake on which all our intellectuals were burned. Spirit is spirit, and manipulations require a different response. And it is very difficult, almost impossible to prepare a person to resist manipulation. In any textbook, there are about a dozen typical manipulation scenarios alone, and thousands of forms. From morality to personal threats. And also a sense of shame, patriotism, public morality, playing on "independence" and "independence", etc. etc.
      Tk that ... there is no universal recipe here. There is simply a national axiom, a civic position in some way. And that's all. It's just that taboo topics need to be introduced into society and any snot on the topic "there are no prohibitions for a journalist, we are for the truth". It is better to lose a hair of liberal democracy than to hand over your head into the hands of a cheerful ISIS butcher.
  10. cheap trick
    cheap trick 12 December 2015 18: 13 New
    +2
    news of the day !!!! after 15 years since the death of STANLEY KUBRIK in open access his interview - I shot a landing on the moon !!!

    Read more: https: //youtu.be/_-03RjbxKhM
    Unique footage of Americans' landing on the moon without editing
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 12 December 2015 18: 43 New
      +3
      And the news on Kubrick in the subject wink
      1. Erg
        Erg 12 December 2015 21: 59 New
        0
        This American circus with "flights" to the moon is no longer interesting. Anyone more or less familiar with the technique. The striped guys played so much in the "greatness" of the American nation that the first, in their opinion, female astronaut was a Yankee wassat It remains to wait until our government decides to lay out this trump card. Looks like it's not time yet ... hi
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 13 December 2015 08: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Erg
          Anyone who is more or less familiar with technology.

          Well, there is one, Boris Chertok his name and he has a different opinion from yours
  11. Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 December 2015 18: 22 New
    0
    Father drove me here - a horizontal bar, bars, instead of wallpaper - a map.
    Well, I did not go to physical education, to the lessons of Polish, Kazakh and Ukrainian. But I spree already running.
  12. Darkoff
    Darkoff 12 December 2015 18: 25 New
    +5
    Honestly, I got tired of "propaganda" about propaganda. The effect of propaganda and information wars is, of course, enormous. So huge that it always exceeds the expectations of the propagandists themselves, causing the volume of discussions of this propaganda, in comparison with the propaganda itself, incomparably greater.
    Do we really value the importance of propaganda for our own opinions? Do we really think that there are only people who live around us, which must be carried on for propaganda?
    Humans are not biorobots in their bulk.
    I have a bunch of acquaintances in Europe who condemn the anti-Russian policy of the West. And a bunch of friends in Russia who condemn the politics of their country. Propaganda works mainly in relation to people unsure of their mental worth. I believe that their minority in developed countries. Enough to overestimate it already!
    Let's listen to each other! Let's discuss the news and articles with reason! Let's diversify the sources of information, analyze it and draw our own conclusions!
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 12 December 2015 19: 49 New
      0
      Wonderful words, but only according to the Pareto law of those who are still being conducted on THIS 80%. Otherwise, we would have lived in a completely different way, had it been the other way around!
  13. moskowit
    moskowit 12 December 2015 18: 32 New
    +3
    "... warned the former colonel of the General Staff of the Russian Imperial Army, Professor Evgeny Eduardovich Messner (1891-1974), known as the author of the very concept of rebellion ..."

    And you, dear commentators, are not surprised by the title of this person involved ... How could he, being a reserve ensign, become a colonel of the General Staff of the Imperial Army at the age of 26? Another lie. In 1916, the staff captain, which is a "ceiling" for a reserve officer or warrant officer. From the biography posted on Wikipedia, they write that the colonel ... But they don't write when ... In the "White Army" you can grab any rank. Example; General Shkuro ... Well, and you, dear readers, having your own opinion, can judge for yourself where the truth is, where the lie is. And is it worth it to take the information presented on faith. Here is one line, and how many lies. And one more thing, in his views, this false "colonel" was a terry fascist.
  14. gg.na
    gg.na 12 December 2015 18: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: shooter18
    Such a war became possible due to the blurring of the concept of good and evil and the opportunity to openly discuss things that in a healthy society and will not discuss it!

    This is the very "overtone window" they start the initially minimal theme, which seems to be harmless, but if you think about what it is malicious! They look at the reaction of society ..., and-and-and-iii if there is no reaction (in most cases there is no reaction simply because such topics are not accepted to be discussed) then they begin to make stuffing more and more effective, so to speak. And thus they begin to break (especially among the younger generation) all sorts of foundations of morals, etc. From me to you ++++++ good
  15. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 12 December 2015 18: 37 New
    +2
    News now needs to be read every day. Otherwise, then you can immediately find out what happened in two weeks and get fucked to death!
  16. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 12 December 2015 18: 47 New
    0
    Israeli media: Russia is finding it increasingly difficult to scare the world with a “rusting” army

    Source: http://rusnext.ru/news/1449918542

    Tail our army.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 12 December 2015 20: 04 New
      11
      Quote: Good AAAH
      Tail our army.

      Nikolay, do we have atalef colleagues, the Professor and some who do not sneeze us and our equipment in the comments. They sneeze us and we are all satisfied. Well, there are enough inadequate people around the world.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 05: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: vovanpain
        inadequate all over the world.

        Namely - inadequate is written .. (analetegom)
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 15: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Namely - inadequate is written .. (analetegom)

          If I meant the article by reference AAX, not your comment ..
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 05: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Good AAAH
      Tail our army.

      A funny article, which with its arguments provokes the exact opposite opinion .. dumb and cheap arguments
      from the category - our tanks are dirty - so bad .. nonsense in short
  17. guzik007
    guzik007 12 December 2015 18: 50 New
    +5
    . Ephemeral struggle with ephemeral enemies and ephemeral victories.
    The basis of upbringing, upbringing on healthy patriotism will forever crush such abstruse crap, and will not even notice it.
    First of all, educate your children in the mainstream of their commitment to eternal values: love of the motherland, attachment to family, hatred of the enemies of the country, as has been the case from the earliest times, and everything will be calm! And do not groan and nod at the leadership, taking off all responsibility. It is we, ordinary citizens, and not mythical organizations for the organization of something there in terms of patriotic education, that we must educate our children from the cradle.
    Personally, I can be calm: I raised real patriots in the person of a son and daughter. Believe me, this is not so difficult. You just need to talk with children on adult topics from 5-7 years old, and not when the police bring your 14-year-old dunce to you after he painted a swastika on the wall of the house. Then it will be too late. And there will be no moaning in the internet, such as this article, how do we pass .... whether our youth. This is where I end.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 12 December 2015 19: 47 New
      +5
      There is a saying in Dagestan: where there are no good youth, there were no good old people!
    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 12 December 2015 21: 40 New
      0
      Quote: guzik007
      hatred of enemies

      Not hatred, but contempt. Hatred spoils a person, and to kill the nervous system because of some bastards ... is irrational.
      And the rest I agree with you.
  18. demandy1
    demandy1 12 December 2015 18: 55 New
    +1
    Our rulers need to think about the patriotic education of youth, and the history of geography must be tightened.
  19. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 12 December 2015 19: 06 New
    +2
    Propaganda is a terrible force. None of us can fully imagine how saturated we are with the ideas of our state. With age, this veil from the eyes gradually decreases, with some earlier, some later. At a young age, immunity to propaganda does not exist yet.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 12 December 2015 19: 51 New
      +8
      Quote: Al_oriso
      None of us can fully imagine how imbued we are with the ideas of our state.

      Probably it is necessary to be bombarded with ideas of a foreign state, Ukraine does not remind you of anything?
  20. Gardener91
    Gardener91 12 December 2015 19: 31 New
    +1
    “In former wars, the conquest of territory was considered important. Henceforth, the conquest of souls in a warring state will be revered as the most important ...
    From this it follows that the United States treats Ukraine as an enemy.
  21. tanit
    tanit 12 December 2015 19: 32 New
    -1
    Ага.
    There was a Universiade, they shouted - they drank all the money !!!
    Ours have won. They shouted even stronger -Here !!! We drank all the money !!! And we said !!!
    There was an Olympics ...
    Yes, that would not be. It is necessary:
    1. "don't throw bombs on IS, but give it to pensioners"
    2. not build stadiums, but "distribute all the bombs to pensioners"
    3. "distribute all the bombs to retirees"
  22. cap
    cap 12 December 2015 19: 42 New
    0
    Information for consideration. On the issue of propaganda.
    ALL invaders before gunpowder appears on the battlefield,
    killed ALL warriors, all who could carry weapons, and old people of the faith carriers, leaving women and children.
    In the caliphates of all eastern empires, they fought against brothers and sisters by blood,
    and so on Educated Janissaries warriors. The origin, in the military hierarchy and career advancement did not matter, was evaluated exclusively by loyalty to the caliph.
    This went on for centuries.Children raised by the enemy will kill their parents.
    Proven by history.
    Something like that hi .
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 December 2015 19: 47 New
      0
      Children raised by a parent will kill their enemies. hi
      It’s bad when they kill their own.
  23. isker
    isker 12 December 2015 19: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Al_oriso
    Propaganda is a terrible force.


    + pizza!
    Propaganda is a terrible weapon in the right hands! No wonder the Jews bought the rights to "Mein Kampf"! Another problem of no less importance is the debunking of the myths that surround us from birth and through life ("mother Teresa", "landing on the moon", "Finnish war" and a bunch, a bunch of others ...), and the only form of struggle against the name - however, getting to the bottom of it - is often no less difficult!
  24. kalibr
    kalibr 12 December 2015 19: 45 New
    +4
    What a good article, just lovely! Authors: accept congratulations from PR manager on 20 summer experience!
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 December 2015 19: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      What a good article, just lovely! Authors: accept congratulations from PR manager on 20 summer experience!

      Vyacheslav Olegovich, you have had an experience of more than 20 years. Do not flirt too.
      Sincerely.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 12 December 2015 20: 56 New
        +1
        I don’t flirt. Just our department of COMMUNICATION MANAGEMENT (read PR and advertising) celebrated 20 years. And I’ve been working on it for 20 years. True, when I chose it and read a book by Sam Black, I realized that PR always worked, but did not know about it. Here you are right! But officially -20 years.
    2. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 12 December 2015 20: 16 New
      -1
      On the 21st year of experience it will be possible together "will accept"write"accept"It will be a tremendous progress for a PR man.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 12 December 2015 20: 57 New
        +1
        You’re in a hurry, you know, sometimes and you’ll be mistaken. Books are checked by proofreaders, but here they are not. But one mistake in the word weather does not, where it is necessary to do business, I do not do them.
  25. cte-power
    cte-power 12 December 2015 19: 58 New
    -1
    The story with truckers is a fresh example of a zombie of a part of society
    1. ancient
      ancient 12 December 2015 20: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: cte-power
      a fresh example of a zombie of a part of society


      Somehow you .. "slyly" spoke out .. so who are the bad ones .. "friends-rotenberg" or .. "truckers"? wassat
      1. ancient
        ancient 12 December 2015 21: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: ancient
        How did you .. "slyly" expressed


        Yeah ... by the minus I realized that this is ... "ka.zl.y.-truckers" interfere with the "friends" brothers and collect "tribute" from the air, but from the people wink
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 05: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: ancient
        How do you .. "tricky"

        Someone I’m Alexander also didn’t understand .. commentary - it smacks of duplicity .. (usually leads to the minuses of both sides)
  26. tokens2
    tokens2 12 December 2015 20: 04 New
    +1
    The best defense in Russia has always been only one:
    live the truth.
    And after reading the article ... it prevailed in the Middle Ages.
    In which everyone defended themselves against everyone.
    Naturally article -
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 December 2015 20: 07 New
      0
      And there is. And you are right.
      And of course, article +
      Quote: Lexi2

      The best defense in Russia has always been only one:
      live the truth.
      And after reading the article ... it prevailed in the Middle Ages.
      In which everyone defended themselves against everyone.
      Naturally article -

      I don’t understand - we see everything seems to be the same? And somehow we are not making exactly the same conclusions?
      Advocacy, however ... recourse
      laughing
      1. tokens2
        tokens2 12 December 2015 20: 20 New
        0
        I don’t understand - we see everything seems to be the same? And somehow we are not making exactly the same conclusions?
        Advocacy, however ...

        Yes, what kind of propaganda is it.
        so easy fraud on the "diopters" of the workers.
        Instead of + vision, they give out glasses with a sign -
        Come on people laughing Do not skimp on each other!
        everywhere foci ponimash information defeat.
        all clogged up and do not stick out.
        So factories and plants will stand up. Carefully, this is the most necessary thing. Propagate
        1. tanit
          tanit 13 December 2015 07: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Lexi2
          So factories and plants will stand up. Carefully, this is the most necessary thing. Propagate

          Why would you? And ... any capitalist dreams of only one thing - that his factory would stop. These are the capitalists. Ready for anything, just stop the "factory" wassat
  27. shooter18
    shooter18 12 December 2015 20: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Vladimir 1964
    Quote: shooter18
    It's just that the level of corruption in their "democratic" society is so high and is already considered part of democracy, and in general with the principle: only for themselves, they cost a lot ...

    A colleague, in itself, is somewhat absent from the issue of corruption in public procurement for America. There is practically no system of "direct" kickbacks in the United States. There is a system of lobbying interests, you can certainly draw an analogy between our corruption and American lobbying, but this will be somewhat inaccurate. The point, in my subjective opinion, is that lobbyism is a legalized state system that pursues the interests of a certain group of people, which is in the legal field of the United States. For us, this is certainly strange, but in the USA it is quite natural. Hence the growth of US budget spending in the defense sector. By the way, the Americans do not complex on this issue, for them it is natural, since it does not go beyond the law, then it is possible.
    Something like that, colleague. hi
    Although, of course, by and large Ba is right, if we proceed from our worldview. soldier

    Their corruption is no different from ours! There are specific examples of how, for example, a lot of money was washed during the war in Iraq, naturally certain people who have access to the feeder! Lobbying interests does not increase budget spending, but helps promote their interests to a certain group of people, because the state basically works for them on a private trader ....
  28. Maksus
    Maksus 12 December 2015 22: 06 New
    +1
    Colleagues, but did the former Colonel of the General Staff of Imperial Russia, who was born in 1891, not confuse anyone? An interesting colonel, he was 26 years old at the time of the revolution, is that so? Really keep readers for idiots or what?
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 13 December 2015 05: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Maksus
      Colleagues, but didn’t bother anyone

      An article from the category "I sing so cunningly that I can't understand the songs myself"
      Glory to Aesculapius .. laughing
  29. kvarfax
    kvarfax 13 December 2015 00: 41 New
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    That's what's interesting to me. At first, everyone admits that "all people are the same," and then they begin to think that somewhere they say they live better, kinder, more honest, and so on. But why all of a sudden? Are there other people? Do they have more conscience? But what about "all people are the same"?
  30. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 13 December 2015 05: 48 New
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    Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
    You just need to have a head on your shoulders, and then no propaganda is scary.

    If you look at what’s happening, it’s obvious that many people don’t have a head or brains, or these brains are poisoned by chemistry.
    ABOUT PSYCHOLOGICAL WAR. In the ancient treatise of Sun Tzu "The Art of War" and in the "Egyptian Book of the Dead" there are recommendations on this topic. Here.
    1. tanit
      tanit 13 December 2015 07: 15 New
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      Quote: Reptiloid
      If you look at what’s happening --- it’s clear that many have no heads or brains.

      It’s scary, but there is both. But it would be better if this part of the body (head) would simply be eaten ... hi
  31. kitamo
    kitamo 13 December 2015 08: 24 New
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    Almost a dozen years ago (see "NG" from 11.04.02/11/2011), one of the co-authors of this article wrote that September XNUMX, XNUMX was the beginning of the "third world rebellion"


    I don’t understand something, how in 2002 he wrote about the events of 2011? is he clairvoyant or invented a time machine?
  32. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 13 December 2015 08: 50 New
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    I agree with the reasoning of TATIANA and BATANIKOVEDA. I will continue Tatyana’s thought about age and others. I assume, reading the literature of that time and thinking over movies, that before the state took a very strong part in raising children --- the program for growing up was: October, pioneer, Komsomolets, communist In the same way, professional priorities were: books, magazines, films, and most importantly, cartoons and stories for children about professions, about the lives of people of different professions. And about service in the Army --- how much was children! Here Soviet children grew up and became Soviet adults !!! There was a State Program. Now it is not. It turns out that not all parents can properly raise their children without the support of the State. Then there were words that I have not met so far in the Soviet literature: infantile youth, puberty, kid-adalt, etc. The conditions are different, and the result, respectively, is different.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 13 December 2015 09: 45 New
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      SHOULD be read BOTANOVED !!!! The tablet did not know such a word and "corrected" me.
  33. 31rus
    31rus 13 December 2015 15: 16 New
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    Dear, interesting topic, propaganda, PR, society, everything is interconnected, I completely agree with Tatiana, without normal, that is, education that teaches you to think, compare, seek, there will be no unconsolidated society, there will be no simple understanding in the relationship between people and the more power, there will be a seemingly "mature", competent herd