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History in the exam

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What only sonorous epithets did not deserve the Unified State Examination with its test system in the press, on the sidelines of the State Duma and the Federation Council, at numerous conferences and round tables, in teaching and teaching circles, and among the students themselves - from the most innocent to frankly unprintable ... And officials assure us that it is the Unified State Examination that is the best, most objective, and the most honest and non-corrupt form of the simultaneous delivery of school graduation and entrance examinations to a higher educational institution.



Photo by Artem Geodakyan - TASS

It would seem that it is easier to solve this overripe problem by taking a steamy turnip - and taking a simple regulatory (departmental) act to eliminate the USE as the ONLY AND MANDATORY form of the final certification in the country. But it was not there. The ubiquitous overseas "partners" will stand to death for this project of paramount importance for them, because they have long been well aware of the ancient Eastern wisdom: "If you want to conquer a people, bring up its children."
True, we are assured that optimization of the USE is not far off. The system is finally brought to perfection. However, what these “efforts” are worth is clearly visible from the next USE demonstration versions prepared and approved by the Federal Institute of Pedagogical Measurements.

As you know, the current (last) version of the USE stories Russia is no longer divided into three (A, B, C), but into two (1 and 2) parts, since our reformers were still forced to remove from it the sharply criticized “guessing game” built on the principle of simple “spear”. But has the USE itself become significantly better, as the ministry assures us? Let's figure it out.

The 1 part of this Unified State Exam contains 19 questions that are divided into overtly primitive or elementary tasks that even it is indecent to ask graduates of the 11 class. Totally, this part with 100% of correct answers gives the maximum total 39 points, which, of course, is not enough for entering a university. Although not even that is important, but what is the level of these tasks.

For example, question No. 2 of this part of the USE is as follows: "Establish a correspondence between events and years: for each position of the first column, select the corresponding position of the second column."

EVENT OF THE YEARS

A) The first mention of Moscow in the annals 1) 988 year.
B) Caribbean crisis 2) 1147 year.
B) Battle of Borodino 3) 1662 year.
D) Copper Riot 4) 1812 year.
5) 1939 year.
6) 1962 year.

Sorry, but what kind of student in 11 (graduation !!!) class must be completely ignorant to write that the Caribbean crisis happened in 988, the Battle of Borodino took place in 1962, and Moscow was founded in 1939. For whom and why are such tasks supposedly “reformed” by the Unified State Examination offered?

The assignment under the number 17 is of a similar nature, since only absolute helicopter writes that the author of Lay of Igor was Ilya Repin, that the Nobel Prize in Literature was awarded for Domostroy, and the novel Silent Don illustrates the events of the church split. And such tasks in the first part of the exam are a dime a dozen ...

Of course, such tasks are included in the USE for a reason, but rather consciously, because they give at least some guarantees that:

1) a well-defined cohort of graduates of the 11 class, who chose the history as an exam, will not get "unsuccessful" for their answers and will become the owner of the coveted high school diploma;

2) their teachers will once again pass a kind of proficiency test and will become the owners of a new portion of stimulating points, and hence a small increase in their own salary;

3) School administrations will not get a scolding from higher-level management structures;

4) regional ministers will report to their governors on successful school certification results, and…

... 5) The Ministry of Education and Science will once again report on the 100% passing of the USE and the amazing results of its vigorous activity in the field of Russian innovative education.

Meanwhile, it is completely obvious to any sane person that all this kind of task is “from the evil one”, for an adult young man of 17 years old who has completed an 11-year school course is somehow not very convenient to ask about how many 2 XX2 will be by offering him a choice of 4 answer choices ...

The remaining examination scores (total 61 score with 100% of correct answers) fall on the 2-th (complicated) part of the exam.

However, the nature of these assignments will confuse even the most eminent doctors of science and academicians of the Russian Academy of Sciences, who are unlikely to be able to invent answers to the questions asked. For example, in question number 24, it is required to provide the pros and cons of the following statement:
"In historical science there are debatable problems on which different, often contradictory points of view are expressed, and then one of them is allegedly cited:" Russia in the 17 century was in a state of isolation from the economic, military and cultural achievements of the countries of Western Europe. "

What can I say to the program developers about this? First, scientific problems in themselves are always debatable, and therefore the very wording of this question contains a complete nonsense. Further, it’s not at all clear to me where the authors of this masterpiece assignment took this point of view and who is the author of this “scientific discovery”? But the most interesting thing is not even in this, but in another: what answer did the compilers of the EGE themselves offer to their question?

Their arguments for:

1) “In the 17 century, significantly fewer ships came to Arkhangelsk than most European ports because of reduced navigation ... Russia's external contacts were weaker than those of Western Europe.” What does it have to do with it? The fact that ships came to Arkhangelsk significantly less than to European ports was not connected with the isolation of Russia, but with the well-known climatic conditions of the Russian Pomerania and the shortened navigation in the seas of the Arctic Ocean. Moreover, foreign merchants, first of all the British and the Dutch, fought for the Russian domestic market and the monopolistic position on it for death.

2) “The activity of Moscow diplomacy was significantly lower than the activity of most European countries.” Well, this answer clearly draws on some historical award named after Mr. Vladimir Rezun or Mr. Anatoly Fomenko and Gleb Nosovsky from the notorious Dynasty Foundation. I wonder who told our developers this terrible secret? And which European countries are meant? Spain, Portugal, Greece, Germany? And how does this indicate the "isolation" of Russia?


Unified State Exam in Russian schoolsPhoto by Sergei Fadeichev - TASS

Any more or less educated person is well aware that in the 17th century the Ambassadorial order, headed at different times by Ivan Gramotin, Almaz Ivanov, Athanasius Ordin-Nashchokin, Artamon Matveev, Vasily Golitsyn, Emelyan Ukraintsev and other diplomats, established close and active contacts and Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and with the Austrian court, and with the Swedish kingdom, and the Ottoman Empire, and with other world powers.

Sorry, but wasn’t Russia part of the Holy League, created in 1684, to repel Ottoman aggression as part of the same Austria, Rzeczpospolita and other European powers? At the end of the 17th century, the same Peter I, as part of the Great Embassy, ​​visited almost all countries of Western Europe, including Kurland, Poland, Hanover, Prussia, England, France, Holland, etc. Moreover, when he received news from Moscow about the beginning of the next Streltsy rebellion, he did not fail to meet with the Holy Roman Emperor Leopold I and the Polish king and Saxon Elector Augustus II the Brave on the way to the First Throne.

3) “Until the 1710's Russia could not master the production of modern weapons, which were owned by Western countries (weapon bought abroad). This indicates a lack of close contacts with the West, involving the adoption of production technologies. ”

Alas, but with such arguments, the authors of this assignment fully demonstrate absolute ignorance of elementary facts. For example, it is well known that as early as the 16th century Russia produced its own pishchals (similar to European arquebuses and muskets) of various calibers, and 1582 calibers sounded in the inventory of 28, from 1 / 8 grivnas to pood. Moreover, in the future, the most rational designs of firearms were selected, and the 1626 / 1647-14 food gauges from 1 / 2 to 8 grivules are mentioned in the “List of guns and pistils” in the XNUMX – XNUMX years.

A similar pattern was observed in the cannon case. In the 17th century, along with the Moscow cannon (“large”) courtyard, there existed “small” cannon yards in Veliky Ustyug, Vologda, Novgorod, Pskov, Tobolsk and other cities of the Moscow kingdom. Moreover, in addition to state-owned gun manufactories, in 1630, 15 private factories were built in Tula, Kashira, Aleksin and Olonets, which produced cannons, shells, handguns, etc.

Only in the 1668 – 1673 years at the Tula and Kashira metallurgical plants did the tsar's treasury buy more than 154 000 hand grenades, almost 25 500 cannon grenades, more 42 700 cores, etc. At the same time, quite a significant part of this weaponry and ammunition was exported to Europe, including cannons, the number of which exceeded 8000 units.

In connection with this circumstance, a completely legitimate question arises: “Why should a pupil of a nameless who does not share the point of view of an anonymous“ scientist ”about isolating Russia from the economic, military and other achievements of Western Europe should look for arguments in favor of this point of view?” such "why" the whole car and another truck ...

I think that the arguments I brought up clearly demonstrate not only the inferiority of the USE itself, its "highbrow" assignments, but, most importantly, their compilers, experts who sometimes work against the national interests of the country.
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  1. AlexTires
    AlexTires 12 December 2015 15: 27 New
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    Already in one exam, some people should have been shot without an investigation ...
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 12 December 2015 15: 36 New
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      The state can be judged by how it relates to old people and children, how they relate to us everyone knows perfectly well if our most important profession is a sales manager and not a doctor, not a teacher, thank God the military has become appreciated in recent years, Lord and remember the USSR and the tears in his eyes.
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        1. sovetskyturist
          sovetskyturist 12 December 2015 16: 04 New
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          from small causes big consequences
          tasks for class 1: 5 apples grew on maple. 2 apples fell. How many apples are left on maple? How many legs are on the track? (4 hedgehogs drawn). Children answer - 16. But the correct answer is 8. Why? Because, it turns out, hedgehogs walk on their hind legs ?! Task: Winnie the Pooh, Piglet and Owl came to the donkey for his birthday. They cut the cake so that everyone got 2 pieces. How old is the donkey?

          Task: Five fish sat on a branch, two more arrived. How many fish have become? Problem: One patient in a psychiatric hospital did not have time to get a sedative, how many orderlies he will have time to bite if he moves at a speed of 20 km per hour and if he has time to reach the head physician, whose office is at a distance of 1 km.

          Task: In a psychiatric hospital there is hl. a doctor and a lot of crazy people. For a week, every crazy person bites someone once a day. At the end of the week, it turned out that each of the patients had two bites, and Ch. a hundred doctors. How many crazy people are in the hospital? Task: Colombian farmer collected 4 tons of coffee beans. Of these, he sold 940 kg to a chocolate factory, and placed the remaining cucumbers in 68 bags. How many kg of coffee beans are in each bag?
          Otto von Bismarck said that Russia cannot be defeated. But false values ​​can be instilled, and then she will destroy herself.
          1. Eaglealex
            Eaglealex 12 December 2015 16: 24 New
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            And the last question: how old is the creator of these opuses?
            Answer (in the style of Vovochka): 24, because when I carry garbage, dad calls me half-fool, and I'm 12 years old.
            Something like this.
            1. sovetskyturist
              sovetskyturist 12 December 2015 17: 54 New
              +4
              The information wars are now taken up by the hands of the reformers. To educate a slave is whether or not it depends on us.
          2. veksha50
            veksha50 12 December 2015 16: 29 New
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            Thriller for the night ...

            I've been studying with my granddaughter for the second year, and I feel that not only she becomes a ram (a dumb sheep) ...

            By the way, many teachers feel cheerful and confident ... Both textbooks and educational standard programs satisfy them ...

            В общем, вписались в современные параметры "компетентности"...
            1. sovetskyturist
              sovetskyturist 12 December 2015 16: 47 New
              +6
              Task: Janitor I.I. I found on the floor of the barn an imprint of three boxes each 1 dm high. Could these boxes contain 6 three-liter cans with the latest rocket fuel?

              Task: Colombian farmer collected 4 tons of coffee beans. Of these, he sold 940 kg to a chocolate factory, and placed the remaining cucumbers in 68 bags. How many kg of coffee beans are in each bag?
              success to you and granddaughter hi
              1. veksha50
                veksha50 12 December 2015 17: 39 New
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                Quote: sovetskyturist
                success to you and granddaughter



                Thank you ... After the janitor and the Colombian farmer, you don’t have to sleep at all ... request
              2. Angry orc
                Angry orc 13 December 2015 00: 33 New
                +1
                this is more like puzzles with jokes, the answers will be something like this: they do not store rocket fuel in three-liter jars, and not at all, because He didn’t put grain in the bag.
            2. go21zd45few
              go21zd45few 12 December 2015 17: 13 New
              +9
              And you look at the Minister of Education and Science, and you want to ask a question where he was treated, after all, an unwise person, a moron.
            3. KAV
              KAV 13 December 2015 19: 51 New
              +2
              Great movie, I think. Fully illustrates what they are trying to do with our children!
          3. TVM - 75
            TVM - 75 12 December 2015 16: 59 New
            +9
            Masterpieces of pedagogy!
            expert compilers, who sometimes work against the national interests of the country.

            That is the main goal of this reform.
          4. grafin
            grafin 13 December 2015 00: 28 New
            0
            two crocodiles flew - three to the north five to the south - how old is grandma ??
            the answer is - why do not I smoke a refrigerator
          5. kartalovkolya
            kartalovkolya 13 December 2015 13: 30 New
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            Согласен с Вами и хочу добавить бессмертную задачку бравого солдата Швейка в одноименной книге Я.Гашека: "...стоит дом о пяти этажах,в каждом этаже по 15 окон,вопрос: в каком году у швейцара умерла бабушка...!" Вот так американские "инвесторы-советники" руками наших продажных чиновников от образования дебилизируют наше подрастающее поколение! ( я не совсем точно воспроизвел задачу,но очень близко к оригиналу по смыслу)
        2. MREDBEST
          MREDBEST 12 December 2015 17: 01 New
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          Quote: Haettenschweiler
          - Nobody cares. The war in Syria, Ukraine, Poland - this is important. And the fact that inside the country is the tenth matter.


          Yes, this is not the point, some people are engaged in foreign policy, others are internal, why bind these things ?! Need to be in time everywhere, on all fronts! It’s just that you need to put in jail those who are engaged in educational reforms today and that’s it!

          Let them return the Soviet education system and adapt it to the current realities, for the Soviet education system was the best in the world, and gave this world hundreds of great people. The Soviet education system allowed our country to be ahead of the rest for almost half a century ... only America could compete with us, which bought all the best minds around the world for green candy wrappers!
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 12 December 2015 17: 32 New
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        As for education, I will leave the discussions about zradniks and American agents in the Ministry of Education for doctors. I do not agree with the path that is chosen for our education and not because of the villains in the minobra, but because of the very concept of REFORM. I think this is the wrong way. And it's not about the ege. Ege is just a way to level the level of education in the country and reduce corruption in schools and institutes to at least some minimal limit. Dagestan and rural medalists and constant scandals about bribes for entering universities have already forgotten. Ege was the answer to constant bribes in schools and universities. The types of tasks are the same throughout the country, the teachers are removed from them as much as possible and cannot affect the assessment for a bribe. Checking is also done by people who do not make sense to juggle the results of unfamiliar children, or even a computer. The chance of entering a university with a talented child from a province with a high score is increased. Th ehe has a bunch of pluses and a bunch of minuses. If we assume that all teachers and university professors stop taking bribes, then maybe they will cancel, but I doubt it.
        But what I like is a change in concept. The old Soviet system, which died with the union (what remains is its ghost), had the goal of developing a person and increasing his capabilities. A person received basic knowledge about the whole world, both about the humanities and technical sciences. That is, a person developed diversified and could choose any direction in the future, since he had a basis. I studied better in the humanities, but went to class with an advanced physical education direction, then a university, became an engineer. But he could go to the humanitarian, maybe, education was versatile.
        Now, care is being taken towards the training of narrow specialists. That is, as gymnasts in sports have been trained since childhood, so chemists and lyricists are also going to cook since childhood. Here, many are amazed that children do not know what we consider basic. But the fact is that this is not given to children. In the new system, an engineer does not need to study biology from childhood and know about pestles and stamens or a historian to know physics. But he may well know his direction better than we do. I believe that this is the wrong way and mistake. Not zrada or stupidity, but an erroneous decision. Well, plus the teaching has become from development and education - educational services. At one time, all parents constantly complained that children were being loaded at school. Well, they won’t load more. That is, everything now depends on the child and his parents. If you want, study, go to college, you don’t want to get the minimum ehe ball and go for a walk. I believe that this method of reform is harmful, because in the absence of forcing a person to study, we will get a general decrease in the level of intelligence. Yes, the number of students was clearly overstated - the country needs more workers and fewer university graduates who have not worked a day in their specialty. But in my opinion, one could go the other way. For example, 3 years of distribution for state employees to discourage their training or something like that.
        In general, this is not a crap of course, but I don’t like the path that I personally decided to go. I think this is the wrong way. Yes, and Livanov or Fursenko has nothing to do with it. There will be a new minister, you will scold him the same. The point is in the very concept of reform, and not in the one who put the house manager.
        1. your1970
          your1970 12 December 2015 20: 02 New
          +4
          Первый пост в котором автор не голосит- "Долой ЕГЭ!!!"...
          Everyone forgot why they introduced the Unified State Examination - due to the fact that the limousines near the institutes began to rush into the eyes, full zeros began to enter the institutes, and full zeros also started to appear at the exit. The village was completely cut off with its rather smart guys.
          Unfortunately, the Soviet system of education cannot be returned, just as it would not be desirable, precisely because of the need for narrow specialists. There is no opportunity for industrialists to finish graduating from the institute’s graduate for a couple of years, as happened during the USSR. That’s why commerce is now fighting for the best graduates, able to work right away. And to impose a dozen more on them for the internship will not work, they will get rid of them immediately by any means and means.
          So there will be no distribution simply because we have capitalism — some don’t need ballast, others don’t need a salary of 7-10 thousands — which they will pay to leave ...
        2. mervino2007
          mervino2007 12 December 2015 20: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: g1v2
          Ege is just a way to level

          Equalize what? Student opportunities. Different regions. Upon admission to the university. Even prestigious. Examination - this is just a standardization of the method of verification of the acquired knowledge. So far, yes, there are stupid questions. Over time, this will be eliminated. Everything depends on the acquired BASIC knowledge. And in this matter - it is impossible to embrace the immensity. The knowledge base should be consistent with the available HOURS of study. No overload.
        3. Kostya Andreev
          Kostya Andreev 12 December 2015 21: 08 New
          0
          WELL DONE. Not all agree, but reasoned comment.
      3. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 12 December 2015 18: 07 New
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        A similar situation with all subjects in schools.
        Not so long ago, they broadcast on TV interviews with schoolchildren, right from the street.
        So, the results. Katerina at Ostrovsky led an immoral life, had an abortion and threw herself under the train. Pierre Bezukhov was a partisan of the Great Patriotic War. But Bazarov drowned his dog, and no one could remember - for what?
        The apotheosis was the question - is Chechnya worthy of joining Russia? 99,99% said that not yet, let them show their best side. Only one (!) Man gazed steadily at the presenter, as at full and ... that one, and asked - when was it expelled?
        Of our children are trying to make an obedient stupid herd.
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 12 December 2015 15: 51 New
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      It’s not even so scary that they teach, but how it is presented! This is the scrapping of our whole thinking, worldview! The destruction of the state occurs mainly through the destruction of the thinking of its citizens.
      1. ava09
        ava09 12 December 2015 16: 00 New
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        Quote: Proxima
        It’s not even so scary that they teach, but how it is presented! This is the scrapping of our whole thinking, worldview! The destruction of the state occurs mainly through the destruction of the thinking of its citizens.


        Полностью согласен, только, чтобы понять написанное Вами, нужна одна малость - образное мышление. А с ним сейчас проблемы, в том числе и благодаря Болонской системе "образования".
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 12 December 2015 16: 13 New
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          Quote: ava09
          Полностью согласен, только, чтобы понять написанное Вами, нужна одна малость - образное мышление. А с ним сейчас проблемы, в том числе и благодаря Болонской системе "образования".

          I am horrified at the time when my granddaughter will study in the 10th grade (now she is still in the 3rd): smile
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 12 December 2015 16: 33 New
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          Quote: ava09
          благодаря Болонской системе "образования".



          Злит все время это выражение... Раньше у нас говорили, что получил образование и знание "галопом по Европам"...

          And now - the lapdog ran, wagged its tail, yelled - and the trace caught a cold ... Whether it was, or not ...
        3. sovetskyturist
          sovetskyturist 12 December 2015 17: 02 New
          +2
          It’s not too late to drive the corrupt reformers. Although, on the other hand, are the traitors so stupid as surgeons, engineers ..... etc, it’s likely that they plant potatoes when needed. VP of the USSR - We need a different school (audiobook) http: // kob-media.ru/?p=1792 https://dotu.ru/files/20050512_Nam_nuzhna_inaya_shkola.pdf
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 12 December 2015 16: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: Proxima
        The destruction of the state occurs mainly by destroying the thinking of its citizens.


        Moreover, in modern conditions - consider from birth even that which has nothing to break, in fact, breaks ... But - it still breaks ...

        And tomorrow, these broken ones will give rise to twice and three times broken ...
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2015 15: 52 New
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      author Yevgeny Spitsin, can manipulate any terminology, I’ll say easier, if you take History and Literature, then these victims of the exam, do not know NICHER! (the wife is a teacher in a college, I say what I know, they come from school with extremely low knowledge)
      1. Eaglealex
        Eaglealex 12 December 2015 16: 31 New
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        Absolutely in the hole! Somehow a graduate of a vocational school came to work with me as an electrician (oh, excuse me, they now call colleges or lyceums, although the essence remains the same) and when I asked how the direct current differs from alternating current, he said that the direct current is in the socket, because it’s there It is constantly present, and in the bulb it is variable, since it is periodically turned off. Well, this logic will not refuse this comrade.
        1. TVM - 75
          TVM - 75 12 December 2015 17: 08 New
          +4
          This is Mitrofanushka - about the door. Which is in the pantry, that noun. Because it stands and is not attached to anything, and the one in the upper room is an adjective, because it is attached to the place. They laughed at it. And now the school is stamping such mitrophanus.
        2. go21zd45few
          go21zd45few 12 December 2015 17: 25 New
          +2
          In addition to your case, after graduating from the Polytechnic Institute comes a ready-made, as I understand it, electrical engineer who could not answer the question of the school curriculum: Ohm's Law.
      2. your1970
        your1970 12 December 2015 20: 07 New
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        sorry, but who knows history now? A real one, without embellishment, without the influence of ideologies, new-fangled trends, retarded historians, fakes and falsifications, unambiguously perceived by everyone, A TRUE story, so to speak? Adults do not all understand, what can we say about children ...
        1. S_last
          S_last 13 December 2015 11: 04 New
          +1
          Sorry, but at what time did you know history without embellishment, without the influence of ideology?
    4. Askin
      Askin 12 December 2015 15: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: AlexTires
      Already in one exam, some people should have been shot without an investigation ...

      The experiment on the introduction of the Unified State Examination was launched by two decisions of the Government of the Russian Federation:
      “On the organization of an experiment to introduce a unified state exam” of February 16, 2001
      “On the participation of educational institutions of secondary vocational education in the experiment to introduce a unified state exam” dated April 5, 2002.

      or again, a bald-headed or drunk wimp will be appointed guilty!
    5. cap
      cap 12 December 2015 16: 19 New
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      Quote: AlexTires
      Already in one exam, some people should have been shot without an investigation ...

      Meet me. Founding Fathers.
      Дворкович А.В.(В 1997 защитил магистерскую диссертацию в Duke University (штат Северная Каролина, США в возрасте 25лет) с января 2006 года - заместитель руководителя Межведомственной рабочей группы по приоритетному национальному проекту "Образование" при Совете при Президенте Российской Федерации по реализации приоритетных национальных проектов (руководитель - министр образования и науки Андрей Фурсенко).
      As a result, the Unified State Examination. Plans were handed out, comrades for work. The results are evident.
      An engineer is ready to work as a foreman, and even then not everywhere.
      Sad but true.
    6. My doctor
      My doctor 12 December 2015 17: 10 New
      +3
      Do you think because of the exam has dropped the level of knowledge? If the kids go out of school with fools, then the Ministry of Education is to blame for this, did it screw them up? Do you think that if the Soviet education system remained then everything would be wonderful? But what is going on in society and in the minds of each individual member does not matter? The teenager does not pick up the links between school knowledge and social status, as they simply do not exist. You can also name about a dozen reasons, each of which negatively affects the level of knowledge gained. And the work of the Ministry of Education is a consequence.
    7. Tusv
      Tusv 12 December 2015 18: 21 New
      +1
      but for one USE some should have been shot without a court of inquiry ...

      These are the rules. My son did not have a common point to enter the university from the first call, in favor of the double blatnik. My children's mother tore her hair and roared the beluga for XNUMX hours. Re-passed the exam and without any problems graduate from the magistracy, and who was this two-degree student? - He flew out before the first exams.
      For reference, we recall the school - Grade 8 - Russian, Geography test, Geometry exam. Secondary education Exams - Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, History + Social Studies, Other Language, Composition. I don’t remember how much I had to pass
    8. papas-57
      papas-57 12 December 2015 19: 09 New
      +1
      ''А чиновники уверяют нас, что именно ЕГЭ есть самая лучшая, самая объективная и самая честная и не коррупционная форма''. Ага, для особо одарённых среди дебильных.
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    10. Lukich
      Lukich 12 December 2015 20: 31 New
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      Quote: AlexTires
      Already in one exam, some people should have been shot without an investigation ...

      no, to judge is indicative
      1. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 12 December 2015 22: 32 New
        +4
        By the nature of the service, you have to accept testing from your employees. 4 questions - one point in the right place. Which, as I know, are put in advance. Either with a tattoo or a cheat sheet. Everyone knows everything perfectly. I do not mean true knowledge, but a place where to put this point. Although I know people who are capable of what. I will not remove the leading specialist from work for use, sorry, cheat sheets.))) This really turns into a pro forma . As for the USE, this is generally Papua New Guinea. Our children are considered to be idiots. For 10 years of training under the current program, they are turned into such ones. Alas. And, despite serious criticism over the years, nothing has changed about the exam. All these chants, which are uttered including here, the eggs of the deceased do not stand in the eyes of those who determine the education of our children. Let us shout, shout, and wash ourselves ...
  2. alekc73
    alekc73 12 December 2015 15: 27 New
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    The exam is a step back from Soviet education. Created to educate the right consumers. Logic of thinking they have nothing to do. hi
    1. Rivares
      Rivares 12 December 2015 16: 06 New
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      Quote: alekc73
      .Logic thinking they have nothing.

      In the exam, the logic of thinking is replaced by comic thinking.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 12 December 2015 16: 34 New
      +7
      Quote: alekc73
      Examination is a step back from Soviet education.


      This is not a step back ... This is the deliberate murder of a Soviet education ...
    3. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 12 December 2015 17: 16 New
      +7
      This is a mine with a clockwork laid under the state. The creation of a caste of masters and a caste of slaves.
  3. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 12 December 2015 15: 27 New
    +3
    Ну хватит уже "гнобить" наше образование...У нас дети особые и самообучаемые! Не зависимы от системы..Вот сын у меня (8 лет)..
    While I'm on the Internet, etc. He silently took my tools and adjusted the chair .. (I tried it a couple of times .. spat out ..)
    1. severniy
      severniy 12 December 2015 15: 53 New
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      Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
      Ну хватит уже "гнобить" наше образование...У нас дети особые и самообучаемые! Не зависимы от системы..Вот сын у меня (8 лет)..
      While I'm on the Internet, etc. He silently took my tools and adjusted the chair .. (I tried it a couple of times .. spat out ..)

      He wants to bring up such a Vedomedik to work with his hands (with Uv. To your son, but with an insult to the state) ... He once said: we have enough lawyers and dentists, we need workers ....., it seems right , but screening out of 9 classes is usually not based on knowledge. And prestigious institutes at the core are not smart, but rich ... And then we will be handed by unique people who have nothing more than a self to twist from an iPhone ...
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2015 16: 06 New
      13
      Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
      While I'm on the Internet, etc. He silently took my tools and adjusted the chair .. (I tried it a couple of times .. spat out ..)

      I congratulate Mikhalych, not your son ...
    3. EvgNik
      EvgNik 12 December 2015 16: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
      He silently took my tools and adjusted the chair.

      Son +!
    4. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 12 December 2015 17: 21 New
      +1
      That’s the main goal, so that there are hands, but the head is optional. The locksmith’s thinking is quite enough for the people, and the breadth of thinking is only for the elite.
  4. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 12 December 2015 15: 29 New
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    Education, of course, needed to be reformed ... BUT just not in this way ... simplification simply leads to a decrease in the general intelligence of the nation ... and as a result, to hurt the future lag ...
    it is necessary to return the previous education system (yes, colleagues the system laid down in the USSR) and to begin with just understand what and how to improve in teaching methods ...
    No need to adapt to weak students ... there was a good vocational school system after the 8th (now 9th) class for those who do not pull the average level ...
    We need a benchmark for a strong basic education ...
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 12 December 2015 16: 28 New
      +3
      I don’t know how the children are studying now, because mine has already graduated from high school and teaches myself, only that the average level of knowledge has significantly decreased (quality). Average - this is if we take the arithmetic mean value. But this does not mean that among the students there are no outstanding personalities capable of not only assimilating the learned, but further developing the knowledge received from various sources ...

      We do not have weak students, there are stupid teachers. I only note that among students the number of comprehensively developed was calculated in units. Every person from childhood can be developed in one, specific field of science or craft, stronger than his peers. Therefore, in the world there is such a diversity of talents and craftsmen ...

      Образование не должно быть формальным, и к каждому человеку с малых лет до'лжно подходить с вниманием к его индивидуальным наклонностям и способностям. А система ПТУ, существовавшая в СССР, была школой рабочего мастерства. Что говорить, многие ребята и девчонки рано теряли тягу к алгебре и тригонометрии, проявляя интерес к настоящей, реальной жизни...Может быть не такой, как у дипломатов, артистов или космонавтов, но глубоко личной.И слова о сильном базовом образовании здесь более чем уместны...

      The Unified State Examination is a miscarriage of the system when brains were digitized in pursuit of mass computerization. This technique of testing knowledge can be applied in different cases and in different subjects, when it is necessary to clarify whether there are problems in the classroom in the study of the subject. Previously, these were flies: the answer on a piece of paper to several questions ...

      I can give an example against the Unified State Exam when a doctor tries to diagnose a patient by interviewing, adjusting him to ARVI or flu ...

      what
  5. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 12 December 2015 15: 31 New
    +4
    For the first time, admission to university entrance exams through testing was introduced at the HSE. True, tests were taken there at a very high level. But for high school ....
    1. Rivares
      Rivares 12 December 2015 16: 10 New
      +6
      Quote: Aleksandr1959
      For the first time, admission to university entrance exams through testing was introduced at the HSE

      I remember how after the first exam in the Russian State Medical University there were completely Caucasians with the highest score in Russian who did not understand what the teachers told them. The teachers joked, sprinkle the seeds on the floor - they sit in a circle around and tweet))
      1. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 12 December 2015 18: 51 New
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        A similar story was in the HSE.
  6. atamankko
    atamankko 12 December 2015 15: 35 New
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    The exam is the ICD (Imitation of Intense Activity) of education officials.
  7. sa-ag
    sa-ag 12 December 2015 15: 36 New
    -1
    And I like, teacher, in the photo :-)
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 12 December 2015 16: 03 New
      +9
      Quote: sa-ag
      And I like, teacher, in the photo :-)

      Who about what, but hungry about a woman.
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      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 12 December 2015 16: 21 New
        0
        someone else sculpts you minuses, who likes what, such a tolerant time now :-)
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  8. vic58
    vic58 12 December 2015 15: 42 New
    +8
    А приводит это к тому, что "древние украинцы выкапывают Чёрное море и насыпают Арарат" hi
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 12 December 2015 16: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: vic58
      А приводит это к тому, что "древние украинцы выкапывают Чёрное море и насыпают Арарат"

      Now it’s clear where so much hydrogen sulfide is at the bottom of the Black Sea, it turns out from zeal when digging the sea and moving the soil to the place of Mount Ararat.
      1. deleter24
        deleter24 12 December 2015 18: 02 New
        +1
        Тссс... Не дай Бог, нас укропы услышат, это будет подсказка в копилку их "неопровержимых доказательств" lol
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    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2015 16: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: vic58
      А приводит это к тому, что "древние украинцы выкапывают Чёрное море и насыпают Арарат" hi

      voooot ... you see the root ... hi
  9. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 12 December 2015 15: 44 New
    -2
    Russia is a country with an unpredictable past. Now the current educational system is being abused, but did not Soviet historical science sin by distorting the facts for the sake of ideology? We knew when the manifesto of the Communist Party was proclaimed, but did not know about the Battle of Molodi. Not to mention the history of the First World ..
    1. would
      would 12 December 2015 16: 24 New
      +6
      but did not Soviet historical science sin by distorting the facts for the sake of ideology?


      Главное тут "в пользу идеологии". Советская система образования хотела целенаправленно воспитать советского гражданина с установленными государством советскими ценностями,советским взглядом на окружающий мир. То есть была стратегия ради которой делались эти искажения,была конечная цель которую как минимум совсем плохой назвать лично я не могу.
      1. Stauffenberg
        Stauffenberg 12 December 2015 17: 32 New
        +2
        So what do you want from the current system? If there is no ideology in the state. And suddenly she should appear in a single entity? Scold Putin, the Duma, the Federation Council and all power.
        1. would
          would 12 December 2015 18: 40 New
          0
          And who said that there should be an ideology in education? You can learn without it just by showing a number of historical events as objectively as possible from several points of view by pulling the blanket to either side.
  10. GAF
    GAF 12 December 2015 15: 44 New
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    ЕГЭ хорошо вписывается в генеральную линию "нашего" Министерства безОбразования - приобретение учащимися пресловутых компетенций, затребованных на рынке труда. Например, не изучать механику винтового соединения, а уметь накручивать гайку с левой резьбой. А уж если проявит умение для правой резьбы, то ...
  11. Ilya77
    Ilya77 12 December 2015 15: 45 New
    -1
    I think that education has collapsed, the line that is happening is bad for everyone, both for teachers and schoolchildren, but as for the Unified State Exam, out of all the initiatives of the Ministry of Education I would not say that it is the worst. The implementation of course let us down in places.
    1. Rivares
      Rivares 12 December 2015 16: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Ilya77
      of all the initiatives of the Ministry of Education would not say that the worst

      And this is looking for someone not bad) For the United States is definitely not bad!
  12. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 12 December 2015 15: 47 New
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    For some reason, Israel uses Soviet textbooks in schools, but we do not need them. After all, they are far from fools ...
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 12 December 2015 16: 08 New
      +8
      Quote: Bulrumeb
      For some reason, Israel uses Soviet textbooks in schools, but we do not need them. After all, they are far from fools ...


      Про Израиль , коллега, не знаю. Но знаю о том что Советская система образования, была признана в 80-х годах прошлого века, лучшей системой образования и РАЗВИТИЯ детей. И признана не кем то а ЮНЕСКО. А разрушили её исключительно под западным давлением, понятно когда это делалось при ЕБНе, но почему выращивание и воспитание детей "тупыми потребителями", продолжается по ныне, моё мышление ответить не может. request
      1. atalef
        atalef 12 December 2015 16: 34 New
        -1
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        About Israel, a colleague, I do not know. But I know that the Soviet education system, was recognized in the 80s of the last century, the best system of education and development of children

        Maybe it was, but now it clearly does not meet the realities
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        And recognized not by anyone but by UNESCO

        Leave, the bullshit politicized organization has little to do with reality.
        The education system can be characterized by one thing - the scientific and technical development of the country and the number of patents, discoveries and scientific publications.
        As well as the skill level of workers --- i.e. labor productivity.
        Compare - you will understand.
        And UNESCO, Shmunesco.
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 12 December 2015 18: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Leave, the bullshit politicized organization has little to do with reality.
          The education system can be characterized by one thing - the scientific and technical development of the country and the number of patents, discoveries and scientific publications.
          As well as the skill level of workers --- i.e. labor productivity.
          Compare - you will understand.
          And UNESCO, Shmunesco.


          Somewhat surprised, Alexander, with a similar wording, well, yes this is your right. Everyone has the right to express their own opinion, in accordance with a UN resolution. hi
          PS Minus, of course not mine, but surprised, colleague, your comment. Regarding UNESCO, you are clearly wrong. hi
        2. dauria
          dauria 13 December 2015 01: 07 New
          0
          The education system can be characterized by one thing - the scientific and technical development of the country and the number of patents, discoveries and scientific publications.



          Эндрю Джон Уайлс и теорема Ферма... "Американский" математик, выучившийся в Англии. И сколько ещё таких мозгов США купили ?
          As well as the skill level of workers --- i.e. labor productivity.


          In general, no gate. The highest labor productivity indicators in Luxembourg ($ 95,9), Norway ($ 88) and Belgium ($ 66,5) (production per person-hour). The most damn smart ... smile

          А из личного- у жены подруга учительница в середине 90-х ездила на месяц в Филадельфию по "обмену премудростями". Её оценка " 17-летние дeбилы на уровне наших пятиклашек"
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2015 16: 11 New
      +4
      in Israel they can read, from right to left, and from left to right ... but we have almost no way ...
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 12 December 2015 16: 43 New
        +1
        About the fact that we forget the letters, right ... sign with crosses ...

        But about textbooks, can there be such a situation that in a small country they use the heritage wisely (the printed editions of old textbooks are no longer in demand) of the great USSR? Why spend money when there is something ready? wink
    3. atalef
      atalef 12 December 2015 16: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Bulrumeb
      For some reason, Israel uses Soviet textbooks in schools, but we do not need them.

      Seriously ? belay
      Quote: Bulrumeb
      After all, they are far from fools

      We do not have Soviet textbooks - probably all the same fools.
  13. Altona
    Altona 12 December 2015 15: 49 New
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    Кто составляет такую заказную историческую бредятину? Кто пропагандирует "лапотность и отсталость"? Убил бы лично...А набор событий и вариантов дат для теста вообще шедевр, можно таким же образом сделать тестирование по таблице умножения: 2х5 равно а)6 б)10 в)8 д)12...11 лет учиться и не знать элементарных вещей? Мы 10 лет учились и считали 1-2 года лишними, некоторые знания многократно столбились, особенно по математике и русскому.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2015 16: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      Кто пропагандирует "лапотность и отсталость"? Убил бы лично..

      forward ... we will see in Vesti. as yet another, flew off the coils, committed reprisal in a peaceful city ... yesoh, Zhenya ...
      1. Altona
        Altona 12 December 2015 19: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        forward ... we will see in Vesti. as one more, having flown off coils, I committed reprisal in a peaceful city ..

        ----------------------
        I’m far from school now, I can’t personally see textbooks and wall models for teaching in high school. I judge what is happening in the school by media publications. laughing
    2. sovetskyturist
      sovetskyturist 12 December 2015 16: 19 New
      +7
      if you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children
      Task: Mila ate 19 gr. powder, Roma ate 16 gr. powder, Olya ate 17 gr. powder. What are the children now? Task: The chicken laid 4 eggs, and the rooster has 2 eggs. How many more eggs does a chicken have? Task: Hedgehog Kolyuchka gave 1 hare to Fed. How many apples did the hedgehog Fedka have? Task: 5 cucumbers were removed from one garden and the same number of cucumbers was removed from another garden. How many tomatoes were removed from two beds?
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 12 December 2015 17: 42 New
        +6
        добавлю еще один "шедевр"
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 12 December 2015 22: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9
          добавлю еще один "шедевр"



          Это похоже на вопрос к студенту - сыну ректора ВУЗа в советское время: "Великая октябрьская социалистическая революция произошла в 1917 году, не правда ли ???"...

          And here - even cooler ...
  14. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 12 December 2015 15: 55 New
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    "Помню погожий сентябрьский денек,робко входил я под светлые своды..." crying
    А,расшифровку понятия ЛАЗЕР,помню до сих пор: light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation «усиление света посредством вынужденного излучения»...Физика...9-10 класс..1977 год.Вот это была ШКОЛА!Было волнение при сдаче выпускных экзаменов,школьные беляши для "подкормки",фруктовка "Дюшес" и плотные пачки рукописных шпаргалок,перетянутых резинкой, на упругих ляжках одноклассниц .Далее,портвейн "три топора", сигареты "ВТ" и целая жизнь впереди! У меня,она удалась... good
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 12 December 2015 16: 49 New
      0
      You can recall this:

      Sentry must:
      - vigilantly guard and firmly defend your post;
      - to carry out the service vigorously, not to be distracted by anything, not to let go of arms and not to give it to anyone, including those to whom he is subordinate;
      - moving along ...
      -Hearing the barking of the guard dog, immediately notify the established signal to the guardroom about this.
      soldier
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 December 2015 15: 57 New
    +6
    Historical science in Russia has received a serious bias. The result is visible. Confused scientists. What ideological attitude to adhere to?
  16. samarin1969
    samarin1969 12 December 2015 16: 01 New
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    "А между тем любому здравому человеку совершенно очевидно, что все подобного рода задания «от лукавого», ибо взрослого молодого человека 17 лет от роду, прошедшего 11-летний курс обучения в школе, как-то не очень удобно спрашивать о том, сколько будет 2х2, предлагая ему на выбор 4 варианта ответов…"

    Автор! Вы слишком оптимистичны!...50% учеников 11-го класса вряд ли знают , что такое "Медный бунт" и могут перепутать 988 и 1147 годы...
    Until knowledge becomes an opportunity for a social elevator, there will be no motivation for children to study ...
    And the Unified State Examination is an idiotic system of near-historical puzzles, which the Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences is unlikely to solve in 6 hours.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 12 December 2015 16: 58 New
      0
      One hundred percent confidence that we need to know what such an event, when they decided to exchange silver money for copper, should not be taken for granted (however, as well as exchanging rubles for dollars). And the reaction of the poor, which
      quite justified.

      Правда даты таких событий стираются из памяти, потому что часто повторяются, только в разных вариациях и "картинках"...
      yes
  17. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 12 December 2015 16: 02 New
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    Пора серьезно спросить нашего Гаранта Конституции о том почему до сих пор самые важные направления жизни и развития России ,такие как Образование и Экономика до сих пор находится в руках "про либерального блока правительства",а по сути дела отданы в руки самого лютого врага России - США! Сколько можно терпеть тот развал который творят "выпускники" ВШЭ-которая фактически проамериканская! Пришло время спросить, а не пора ли отстранить этих фактических врагов России и всего нашего народа от этих важнейших для государства направлений его развития!Мы не сторонники возрождения 37-х годов,но за совершенные преступления должны отвечать как "красные" так и "белые" я имею ввиду современных политиков России!
    1. cap
      cap 12 December 2015 16: 31 New
      +2
      Put a plus. I agree 100%. hi
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 12 December 2015 17: 10 New
      +6
      Мы не сторонники возрождения 37-х годов,но за совершенные преступления должны отвечать как "красные" так и "белые" я имею ввиду современных политиков России!


      You can call to account and preaching anti-Sovietism ...
      They went out of the mud to riches born in the USSR, not known to anyone for their achievements and began to pour mud on the past of an entire nation. Let their dark past be poured (barked over), let them tell us stories of heroic enrichment and sudden insight with knowledge that allows you to stand at the head (anything ...)
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    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2015 17: 15 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
      I think the main thing in this matter is when fathers and mothers defend the souls of their children! We will not give up the souls of the children of Russia to any Western pedrils ... I will destroy everyone if only you touch my child with scum!

      Михалыч,только честно...сколько сегодня "намахнул"? уж больно комментарии у тебя(в следствие употребления) fellow
  19. staryivoin
    staryivoin 12 December 2015 16: 09 New
    +2
    I think that it’s not necessary to shoot anyone - Russia has already gone through this and no one is better off from this. It seems to me that the question with the USE should be resolved at the political level.
    Да я как педагог (нет я не веду историю) вижу, что та история которую преподают в современной школе к сожалению "с вывертами". Надо ли с этим бороться надо? Надо!!! Надо еще раз трезво посмотреть на содержание учебных программ по истории и обществознанию, надо научить детей сравнивать и анализировать события в истории России исходя из нашей российской точки зрения.
    And of course, the content of the test items needs to be changed, they can be really dumb for a simple school level in Harlem or Paris, such tasks can be considered a masterpiece. Then, gentlemen, compilers, why are you thinking of all our children as idiots ??? Test tasks should also make you think. Well, if you are not able to compose something more meaningful then you need to refuse your tests and turn to questions again. Then we get a reading and analyzing generation.
    And about cribs, portes and so on ... Well, maybe yes !!! It was a bright time !!!! Although the current schoolchildren surpassed us !!!
  20. drags33
    drags33 12 December 2015 16: 13 New
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    Unified State Exam introduced traitors to Russia, who want through the decline and collapse of education to destroy the country. And the texts of the Unified State Exam are made up of an attempt to curry favor and take a warmer place in the cadre of the Ministry of Education and Science ... It is necessary to destroy this nest (together with the Higher School of Economics) and as soon as possible !!!
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 12 December 2015 16: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: drags33
      Unified State Exam introduced traitors of Russia, who want through the decline and collapse of education to destroy the country

      The Bologna education system was introduced as a prerequisite for entry into the WTO. So before returning to education based on the Soviet system, an exit from the WTO is necessary. And there the ruble’s entrance is a million’s output.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 12 December 2015 22: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: EvgNik
        exit from the WTO is needed. And there the ruble’s entrance is a million’s output.



        Hmm ... I remember that the entry effort didn’t cost a penny ...

        PS For their own grandmothers they got a problem for themselves ... they bought either pigs or roosters, but the fact is that they still hammer on the head, on the ass, and afford (treasury, I mean ...) ...
      2. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 12 December 2015 22: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: EvgNik
        The Bologna education system was introduced as a prerequisite for entry into the WTO.

        The WTO has yielded practically nothing useful for Russia. This WTO only allowed a few more oligarchs to enrich themselves. But we drove education into a deep dead end. Speak to leave the WTO a million is needed? And the fact that our children at school not only do not know elementary schools and even talk interjections does not mean anything? It can be seen your eyes overshadowed the dollars! Have you thought about the future? No!
        In the formation of Soviet power, one of the first tasks was to combat homelessness, educate young people, and increase the literacy of the population. The result is obvious.
        And the introduced, alien to us Bologna system ruined the best education system in the world!
  21. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 12 December 2015 16: 13 New
    +7
    If any topic causes a great public outcry, then something must be reviewed here! And on the other hand, now any education has become paid! So it turns out that the exam has lost all meaning. I paid and study for health ... maybe that's why there were so many sheep with higher education?
  22. Borus017
    Borus017 12 December 2015 16: 20 New
    +2
    I agree completely and irrevocably. If you learn to REMEMBER, then the output will be a PROGRAMMED personality, almost incapable of critical perception and analysis - a perfectly controlled consumer being. Learning to think and analyze, looking for relationships, building chains of cause and effect is more difficult, and most importantly - very harmful. Suddenly, the child will be asking uncomfortable questions, will draw his conclusions ?!
  23. venaya
    venaya 12 December 2015 16: 22 New
    +2
    “If you want to conquer the people, bring up their children”

    If someone does not agree with this statement, then I will be very surprised. The fact that our education system is under severe pressure from foreign organizations, which as much as possible disorganizing both the learning process itself and the educational programs themselves, I think is no longer a secret. Questions: why do they need it and how to deal with this phenomenon? Why is it clear: the formation of a full-fledged colony capable of ishachit on the owner (usually overseas). But how to resist is more difficult here, you need to think together. I believe that the first thing that is in our power is to show utmost vigilance: to monitor, whenever possible, the training programs themselves and make noise with all their might about any mistake. Other options are possible, there are many.
  24. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 12 December 2015 16: 28 New
    +4
    The best of all higher education, I received during the Soviet Union! Everything else bullshit .... hi Checked!
    1. 31R-US
      31R-US 12 December 2015 17: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: staryivoin
      curriculum content in history and social studies

      Спуститесь на землю во многих поселковых, сельских школах уроков истории не бывает по несколько месяцев,или ведет учитель труда,куда не обращавшийся как о стену,а затем это долбанное "еге" ,приходиться нанимать репетитора за бабосы,что б ребенок поступил в институт,сейчас ведь на работу берут( телефоны продавать )необходимо высшее.
  25. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 12 December 2015 16: 36 New
    +6
    Про нашу "слабую " дипломатическую службу скажу так: смотрим на территорию Руси (Российской империи, России) и удивляемся - как так, дипломаты "самые слабые", а территория самая большая в мире и к тому же постоянно растущая. При этом для прирастания территории ни один народ не был подвергнут геноциду или насильственно загнан в резервации (факты в студию, если не так, при этом прошу помнить судьбу негров, индейцев, аборигенов Австралии, навскидку). Ведь территорию не только завоевать надо, а еще и удержать. Что бы народ тебя принял, а не начал резать захватчиков в подворотнях или лесах. А это и есть дипломатическая работа - взаимодействие народов без применения войны. Приходим к абсурдному (с точки зрения запада) выводу: наша дипломатия самая эффективная в мире. А всякие там французы, немцы, англы и пин.досы, которые не могут вести дипломатию без тупой диктовки своего мнения с применением армии и флота - это простые бандиты. Когда дискуссия с оппонентом заключается в его уничтожении. В лучшем случае - запугивании. Это дипломатия? Не смешите мои тапки.
    1. Viktortopwar
      Viktortopwar 12 December 2015 17: 39 New
      +2
      That's right, our diplomacy is the most effective and strong in the world, it was .... Now we do not grow territories, but lose them (remember 1991).
  26. 416494
    416494 12 December 2015 16: 41 New
    +5
    For a long time we will be expecting help from the Soros Foundation, and if we work closely on the creation of textbooks reflecting the true history of our country, all aspects of its development, as well as its significance in the world, it will somehow turn to modern encyclopedias for schoolchildren published by Moscow publications, where not stick everywhere in the foreground of the USA.
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  28. gg.na
    gg.na 12 December 2015 16: 44 New
    +2
    This ege is complete bullshit! Who just introduced it? I remember we studied so we had a history teacher in the late 70s ... So he decided to do verification work like this ege (did some punched cards QUESTION - and a bunch of incorrect answers with one correct answer) and after In the years 92-95, he became an active participant in Jehovah walking and pushing the rotten propaganda of these sectarians! (The true face of the gulchay opened) laughing And he himself is a Pole, he fled to Poland at the beginning of the XNUMXs. wassat So for a long time already began to cripple our education system! am Конечно я привел этот пример и тут некоторые скажут что типа, единичный случай и прочее... Может быть, я не стану спорить! Только если не затруднит то почитайте что такое "окно овертона" ... Хотя what чего это я ??! Либеродемократы "окно овертона" знают не хуже меня! bully
  29. Stinger
    Stinger 12 December 2015 16: 46 New
    +3
    О чём речь! Дети сами знают, что "Дантес не стоил выеденного яйца Пушкина."
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 12 December 2015 17: 15 New
      +4
      A bit of positive:
      Andrei Bolkonsky often went to see that oak, which he looked like two drops of water.

      Anna Karenina did not find a single real man and therefore fell under the train.

      Anna agreed with Vronsky in a completely new way unacceptable to the country.

      The army fled, and Napoleon ran ahead, losing his greatness and HONOR minutely.

      Bazarov loved various insects and vaccinated them.


      http://perl.yaxy.ru/perl_chkola.html wink
  30. a housewife
    a housewife 12 December 2015 16: 50 New
    +2
    Examination - a unified state exam. This form of knowledge testing. It is not a matter of form, but of content. Indeed, few can remember how many buttons are on Chichikov's uniform: 10; 4; 0; 8? So after all, the same questions can be issued in the form of tickets! What will it change? It is all about the issues themselves. Moreover, teachers try not so much to give knowledge as to prepare children to pass the tests, which is stupid. If the wind does not whistle in your head, then a person will answer these questions normally. At the first year, classmates were offended by my daughter - why are we paying, and you are being paid a scholarship ?! With our money! You have paid bribes to everyone here, you yourself cannot get such a high score in the USE! (I don’t remember how much, but more than 80) And she just honestly taught.
  31. Viktortopwar
    Viktortopwar 12 December 2015 17: 34 New
    +2
    What kind of sovereignty can we talk about now! Until we have a good education in Russia at all levels, from school to institute, education oriented towards the development of domestic science, production, agriculture, let’s hope that soon oil prices will jump and live up to speed You can set a minus, but our country is still far from independence unfortunately. How else to explain that the level of well-being of our population is determined not here in Russia, but abroad, where the price of our natural resources is set. And it seems to me that the government is in no hurry ...
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  33. Fox
    Fox 12 December 2015 18: 16 New
    +4
    I went to the library recently ... I talked with the librarian: he says, the circular came, remove all the books about the bun, koshchei, the woman’s yaga, the warriors ... nakuya? -I asked ... PROPAGANDA OF VIOLENCE !.
    and you about the exam.
    1. xorgi
      xorgi 12 December 2015 20: 42 New
      0
      and you are a liar old man!
  34. ARES623
    ARES623 12 December 2015 18: 21 New
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    Quote: housewife
    Examination - a unified state exam. This form of knowledge testing

    Совершенно с Вами согласен. Как-то забывается эта маленькая истина. Скорее, это такая система проверки знаний, которая не очень давно введена и требует постоянного совершенствования. Многие ВУЗы, особенно московские, ратуют за старую систему экзаменов. Почему? А потому, что она дает возможность некоторым личностям влиять на результат сдачи экзамена. А как будет расти благосостояние и репутация ректора, если он не сможет пристроить "нужного" ребенка? А по ЕГЭ придут в ВУЗ студенты из Воркуты или Сковородино, какой с них навар? Низкий уровень пришлых студентов, говорят такие ректоры? Никто не мешает их впоследствии отчислить за неуспеваемость. А те, что стонут по ЕГЭ, лучше бы с детьми почаще общались. Домашнее задание проверяли бы, может и дети стали больше достигать. А то, что преподавательский состав не того качества, как хотелось бы, то пожинаем плоды 90-х. Вспомните, куда устраивали тех выпускников школ, которых ни один нормальный ВУЗ не брал? Ну конечно же в Пед. Кто у нас самый нищий и забитый? Учитель. Над кем измываются малолетние недоумки и маленькое хамье? Над учителем? Чьи замечания и просьбы родители не замечают, пока воюют против ЕГЭ? Учительские. Вот Вам и ответ на вопрос откуда берутся эти почти совершеннолетние балбесы, не от ЕГЭ, а из семьи.
    1. would
      would 12 December 2015 18: 43 New
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      But because it allows some individuals to influence the outcome of the exam


      It's just that now it’s the level of the school, and during the exam the level of these personalities. There is a difference, but in both cases for money and communication there will be results.

      No one bothers to subsequently expel them for poor progress.


      But this is by the way a question for those who work there. I read a rather detailed description that universities can not massively expel students according to the normative documents of the Ministry of Education.
  35. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 12 December 2015 18: 32 New
    +2
    Прежде чем писать про "тупое" ЕГЭ, попробуйте решить сами. Проверьте свои знания. Учить с применением тестов глупо, проверять вполне.
  36. Teplohod
    Teplohod 12 December 2015 18: 44 New
    +1
    По этому поводу отличный номер у "Сб. Камызякского края по КВН" есть о ЕГЭ. "Тупыми людьми управлять легче." (с)
  37. WERSTA.
    WERSTA. 12 December 2015 18: 48 New
    +1
    Thank God that my granddaughter graduated from grade 9, she went to college, where, as I was convinced, they taught all school subjects without a final exam, and difficult exams, tests and sessions. She absolutely does not remain, at least in the first year, free It’s worth noting that she began to grow up quickly and think more deeply about the world around us and current events. And thank God that the federals do not interfere in the methods of secondary special education programs. This is done by the regional authorities. But it’s very bad that college funding is absolutely weak.
  38. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 12 December 2015 19: 25 New
    +3
    Thanks to the author for examples of assignments for the exam. Neighing. laughing

    I paraphrase the feuilleton of Ilf and Petrov:

    The red-hot parents of the students were ready to rush with a dozen on all these hypocrites, who had almost leaked into Russian schools, and at the same time express their gratitude to the Minister of Education and Science, who had so timely exposed the wrong Soviet education ... laughing
  39. cuzmin.mihail2013
    cuzmin.mihail2013 12 December 2015 19: 33 New
    +1
    If the exam is so good, why not introduce its variety when defending dissertations.
  40. tomket
    tomket 12 December 2015 20: 04 New
    +2
    Кстати, статья о еще одном "подвиге" Медведева. Доколе будем терпеть?
  41. Solex
    Solex 12 December 2015 21: 17 New
    +2
    The rating system is important in everything. Here, for example, this wonderful site MILITARY REVIEW: it is proposed to put PLUS or MINUS for each material published in it. I fully support readers who are AGAINST the exam system - that means, as an opponent of the exam, must press MINUS. But I liked the article, and for it I want to press PLUS. How to be Addressing similar questions to the site moderator did not bring success. But this question is much simpler than the USE, but it is also manipulated - the opinion of the readers.
  42. teascher
    teascher 12 December 2015 21: 18 New
    +2
    Is it only the exam? But what about ORKSE instead of astronomy, sex education instead of ethics, drawing in 9th grades instead of drawing?
  43. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 12 December 2015 21: 25 New
    -3
    People who criticize the exam, and why you do not notice positive examples. such as those of my friends. Daughter, in two years to do it, is now preparing for the exam, walks to ripeters. and her level in the necessary subjects is now higher than that of her classmates. She does not need social studies, geography and other things that are important for other sciences.
    I remember how I acted in inst. was dependent on the opinion of a person, now this dependence has decreased. and this is good. I am very sorry that there was no exam.
    1. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 13 December 2015 17: 01 New
      0
      She does not need social science, geography


      Bush also did not teach geography; he does not care - Iran or Iraq; and this despite the fact that both countries were the focus of amer politics - the first was suppressed, and the second was destroyed.

      Psaki knows very well that it is Europe that supplies gas to Russia. And evil tongues generally speak about the threat to send the sixth fleet to the shores of Belarus.

      Well, social science will not be him; young people will overhear Obama, and will begin to consider Amers exceptional, and themselves - premature miscarriages. laughing
  44. onix757
    onix757 12 December 2015 21: 33 New
    +1
    my friends. Daughter, in two years to do it, is now preparing for the exam, walks to ripeters. and her level in the necessary subjects is now higher than that of her classmates.

    И во сколько обходится эта "независимость" в виде репетитора по ЕГЭ? Может не все тянут такую "независимость"?
    She does not need social studies, geography and other things that are important for other sciences.

    In vain, sometimes it doesn’t hurt to know that Paris is the capital of France
    Quote: Kostya Andreev
    I remember how I acted in inst. was dependent on the opinion of a person, now this dependence has decreased. and this is good. I am very sorry that there was no exam.

    Knowledge rarely depends on subjective opinion, and if it does, it does not eliminate this drawback.
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 13 December 2015 19: 26 New
      0
      You do not read carefully, She knows the subject better than classmates who are engaged in the school curriculum. Regarding finances from a friend, the daughter herself taught a program without tutors. And acted on the exam.
      The knowledge that is given at school that the child will need in the future is insufficient, precisely because of the availability of other subjects that are not important to us.
      To know where Paris is enough school.
      my girlfriend entered ins. passing a commission exam for a bribe.
      I acted by chance, as there was a person in the commission who had an alternative point of view on the question.
      And there were also tutors in the USSR, he himself went to study mathematics.
  45. kare
    kare 12 December 2015 21: 40 New
    +2
    Any, the most vile intentions of the authorities in relation to their people, can be camouflaged under the most good deed.
    But such a thing as education, results, you can’t cover with anything
    Today the powers that be show true intentions to their people
    To produce, illiterate, wordless bylo
    A monologue of our president pops up in my memory
    "ЕГэ"не может быть плохим , т.к. на западе все практикуют эту систему образования

    P.s не парьтесь по поводу "безсловесное" , дескать грамотей руского языка(на счёт руского ,можете заглянуть в словарь Даля)
  46. konstant_n
    konstant_n 12 December 2015 21: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: AlexTires
    Already in one exam, some people should have been shot without an investigation ...

    Фурсенко не расстрелять, а за бубенцы подвесить надо. Надеюсь еще дожить до этого славного события. Нам, по его словам, нужны видите ли не творцы, которых воспитывала советская школа, а "квалифицированные потребители".
    This can never be forgiven him. Such a crime has no statute of limitations.
  47. berkut9737
    berkut9737 12 December 2015 22: 06 New
    0
    ЕГЭ мне напоминает популярную программу "Кто хочет стать миллионером?". Жаль, что у наших учеников нет возможности:
    1. make a call to a friend
    2. choose 50 to 50
    3. take advantage of the help of the hall
    Maybe the exam was invented to make it more fun for children to gnaw at the granite of science?
  48. Koliamba_TV
    Koliamba_TV 12 December 2015 22: 27 New
    +1
    And the officials assure us that it is the USE that is the best, most objective and most honest and not corrupt form of simultaneously passing school graduation and entrance exams to a university.

    В этом году,как и все одиннадцатиклассники сдавал ЕГЭ,соответственно и рассматривать ЕГЭ буду рассматривать ,как участник "сие чуда"(ЕГЭ)
    The teachers told us, and we understand that this is not an indicator of knowledge. To come to the exam from the obvious and don’t really choose the right answer, you don’t need a special mind. Instead of increasing the level of knowledge, allocate time so that you can complete all program, they (officials) lower the minimum threshold for passing the exam. But the question begs itself: why?
    Хочу пожелать все последующим одиннадцатиклассникам терпения,потому что с каждым годом все хуже и хуже.Как я понимаю своих знакомых и друзей,когда они говорили:"Сдал ЕГЭ,то прошел самое сложное испытание".На учениках,словно на каких-то "подопытных" ставят всякие эксперименты,этот год не стал исключением.Например,думаю многие знают ,что в этом году ввели декабрьское сочинение,которое позволяло получить допуск для сдачи ЕГЭ.Что же будет дальше даже не хочется представлять.
    Oh, these officials! They would have put them at their desks and letting the Unified State Exam be written! Otherwise, they introduced innovation, reported to the state, and the students were tormented.
  49. ARES623
    ARES623 12 December 2015 23: 11 New
    +3
    Когда я поступал в свой ВУЗ, то сначала сдал 6 экзаменов в школе, а потом 4 в ВУЗ. И только 1 ВУЗ. А сегодня с этим "проклятым" ЕГЭ один раз тесты решаешь, раскидываешь документы, как сети в разные ВУЗы и ждешь, когда "рыбка клюнет". При этом готовы стонать и плакать, что своевременно не хватило мозгов учиться, а не в носу наковыривать. Если при этом еще и папа-мама надеются на деньги и спохватываются в последнее полугодие перед выпуском, то вообще, дело дрянь. "В этом году ввели декабрьское сочинение,которое позволяло получить допуск для сдачи ЕГЭ. Что же будет дальше даже не хочется представлять." Это ж просто ужас - заставляют сочинение писать!!!!! А потом дрессировать на "пробных ЕГЭ"!!! чтобы на самом ЕГЭ не обмочиться и в обморок не упасть!!!! Родители! Вы зачем детей рожали? Чтобы из них человеков воспитывать, или так случайно вышло?
    1. berkut9737
      berkut9737 12 December 2015 23: 45 New
      +1
      Это ж просто ужас - заставляют сочинение писать!!!!! А потом дрессировать на "пробных ЕГЭ"!!! чтобы на самом ЕГЭ не обмочиться и в обморок не упасть!!!!

      A weighty argument. USE is not an obstacle to study, unless, of course, there is a desire to study.
  50. VP
    VP 13 December 2015 00: 12 New
    +3
    Смысл статьи в переводе: срочно разрешите ВУЗам самим проводить приемы, целые орды уважаемых людей теряют огромное бабло на вступительных компаниях а старая шабашка с репетиорством которое гарантирует поступление "в любом случае" приказала долго жить.
    А тут еще и квоты внезапно установили для разных "целевиков" и "имеющих льготы" и стало вообще невмоготу - теперь какая-то чернь из какого-нибудь Красноярска может поступить вместо уважаемых отпрысков уважаемых людей. Остался всего один инструмент - не давать им общагу но он работает не всегда, он откидывает детей только совсем уж плебса.
    In general, the situation is intolerable. So we have to seriously assure that the graduate who scored 280-290 points does not know anything at all and will give way to the genius who scored only 200 because the first one scored by chance (people who don’t know what the Unified State Examination is) and the second creative pepper that was just unlucky, and he is a very capable and unconventionally minded child, who is better than the first one from the street.
    All these games are familiar, before huge amounts were simply scrolled into the admission campaigns, from which those involved could live very curly and have a nice rest.
    Eh, such haymaking is spoiled ...
    1. would
      would 13 December 2015 00: 17 New
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      whole hordes of respected people lose huge loot on start-up companies


      And at the same time, other people get this loot on passing the exam.