US conducted anti-missile tests in the Hawaiian Islands

On the US Naval Institute site published information that the Hawaiian Islands conducted successful tests of the US missile defense system. Initially, a missile was launched from the US Air Force aircraft, which was eventually hit by the SM-3 Block IIA antimissile missile.

From a report by the US Naval Institute:

The interceptor missile did not contain explosives to destroy the target. A three-stage rocket delivered a kinetic warhead that collides with a target at very high speed and eliminates the threat.

Target interception took place over the Pacific Missile Range in the Hawaiian archipelago.

It is noted that the launch was made on December 8. And this is the second test of a missile defense system with similar missiles in Hawaii this year. The first launch of the antimissile took place on June 6.

It is separately noted that the tests were carried out in close contact with the Missile Defense Agency and the main military department of Japan.

Comments

[Starover_Z]

successful missile defense tests

I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!

[Lord of the Sith]

Well, again, the target rocket flies for some time in a pre-known area and with pre-known data on altitude and speed. An interceptor missile hits a target, with data embedded.

But Soviet / Russian warheads are maneuvering, with false targets, and since last year already with EW. Every 90 seconds, they maneuver in height and direction, that is, it will not be where it was expected and the missile defense computer erroneously calculated the meeting point.

[svp67]

Quote: Sith Lord

Well, again, the target rocket flies for some time in a pre-known area and with pre-known data on altitude and speed. An interceptor missile hits a target, with data embedded.

This is a moot point. More interestingly different:

Target interception took place over the Pacific Missile Range in the Hawaiian archipelago.

That is, above the water surface. Here, the altitude of the target’s flight, its speed, is interesting, it performed maneuvers, etc., etc. So, some kind of giveaway game is possible. Nevertheless, the US missile defense was not able to do this before, so there is success. We would not miss the pace of development.

[user1212]

Quote: svp67

Here the height of the target’s flight, its speed is interesting, it made maneuvers, etc., etc.

The GQM-163A missile, like the MA-31 with which it is made, does not have an active maneuvering mode. It can fly along a low-altitude trajectory to simulate supersonic anti-ship missiles, and along a high-altitude trajectory to simulate anti-radar missiles. Test conditions suggest the absence of electronic countermeasures

[mav1971]

Quote: user1212

Quote: svp67

Here the height of the target’s flight, its speed is interesting, it made maneuvers, etc., etc.

The GQM-163A missile, like the MA-31 with which it is made, does not have an active maneuvering mode. It can fly along a low-altitude trajectory to simulate supersonic anti-ship missiles, and along a high-altitude trajectory to simulate anti-radar missiles. Test conditions suggest the absence of electronic countermeasures

And here it is?
Read about this news in other sources and if you have knowledge. you’ll understand what kind of rocket it is.
This is a full-fledged ballistic target missile, which is dropped from a transport aircraft.
She exists. Wow!

[user1212]

Quote: mav1971

Read about this news in other sources and if you have knowledge. you’ll understand what kind of rocket it is.
This is a full-fledged ballistic target missile, which is dropped from a transport aircraft.

Not a single U.S. missile has any means to overcome missile defense

[yuriy55]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Well, again, the target rocket flies for some time in a pre-known area and with pre-known data on altitude and speed. An interceptor missile hits a target, with data embedded ...

You can simply write that there have been tests ... which in reality might not have been ...

[cniza]

Quote: yuriy55

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Well, again, the target rocket flies for some time in a pre-known area and with pre-known data on altitude and speed. An interceptor missile hits a target, with data embedded ...

You can simply write that there have been tests ... which in reality might not have been ...

And why is there such a stir and what happened?

[iliitchitch]

Quote: yuriy55

You can simply write that there have been tests ... which in reality might not have been ...

If they wanted to notify everyone of their achievements, they showed and told everything in detail. In their own style, the production scenes would have gotten bored. And so ... Koreans have a hydrogen bomb, they found the ash-tri-O river on their vast territory, tomorrow Namibia will say that they rummage around Mars in search of diamonds, as in their pocket, because they invented teleportation ... Chatterboxes.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: iliitch

If they wanted to notify everyone of their achievements, they showed and told everything in detail. In their own style, the production scenes would have gotten bored. And so ... Koreans have a hydrogen bomb, they found the ash-tri-O river on their vast territory, tomorrow Namibia will say that they rummage around Mars in search of diamonds, as in their pocket, because they invented teleportation ... Chatterboxes.

So you read the original articles and statements in the original language, i.e. in English or Chinese. For example, I always double-check what VO writes and what the English-language site writes. And there, as a rule, the article is more detailed, and sometimes authors of articles on VO distort the original information.

[Mister22408]

And take telemetry to the central bank - and then suddenly ... :-)

[shooter18]

Do not underestimate the enemy! they are actively pumping up the defense, and we will improve the attack, the delivery of warheads to the United States.

[dorz]

Quote: shooter18

Do not underestimate the enemy! they are actively pumping up the defense, and we will improve the attack, the delivery of warheads to the United States.

I would also like to draw attention to the fact that the interception occurs due to the kinetic effect on the target, and this indicates a high accuracy of aiming at the target. The Americans are stubbornly trying to change the balance of power in their favor and it is good that this does not go unnoticed.

[Vita vko]

Quote: dorz

Americans are stubbornly trying to change the balance of power in their favor

They have already withdrawn from the ABM Treaty and are building missile silos in Europe. Moreover, medium-range missiles can be placed in these mines, i.e. they also didn’t give a damn about the INF agreement. What balance are you talking about? Perhaps someone is satisfied with the statements about new strategic missile forces capable of overcoming any missile defense system. But who checked? If you recall the history, it was the absence of a missile defense system in Europe that was the main reason for the indignation of the Europeans and their demand to remove Pershing from its territory, which served as the reason for the signing of the INF Treaty.
There is only one way to restore the balance of strategic forces, this is the expansion of the Russian missile defense system together with China and Iran, as well as other countries that the United States threatens. For example, the creation of a Russian-Chinese missile defense umbrella over North and South Korea in exchange for the renunciation of nuclear weapons, as an option.

[mav1971]

Quote: Vita VKO

Quote: dorz

Americans are stubbornly trying to change the balance of power in their favor

.... build rocket mines in Europe .....

as in the old opus: "What did the shaman smoke? and where to find such a herb?" ...

Where do the firewood come from, that mattresses build mines in Europe?

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Vita VKO

Moreover, medium-range missiles can be placed in these mines, i.e. they also did not give a damn about the INF agreement.

Are you sure that in Russia they are not doing the same? No one will report to you about this, because this is a military secret of the highest level - the location of medium-range land missiles.

[Mister22408]

Hooray (twice), I, also, for a big slingshot ... (when there is absolutely no UDMG and 4t left), one hope for you is for smart ones. Ur

[Mister22408]

What does the collective farm have to do with it?

[Dr. Bormental]

And you ask the Hawaiians .. is there anyone from Hawaii?

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

And you ask the Hawaiians .. is there anyone from Hawaii?

I have a hawk.

[cniza]

Quote: iliitch

Quote: Dr. Bormental

And you ask the Hawaiians .. is there anyone from Hawaii?

I have a hawk.

Present ...

[iliitchitch]

That's not figs.

[Denis Obukhov]

Looks like it's time in Cuba to place something.

[jjj]

Please note, Americans are trying to make launches from warm areas. From the Arctic Ocean, if my memory serves me right, they did not launch and did not carry out explosions for the purpose of testing the UBC. Thus, they did not work out the interception of our missiles at launch from the North.
And I was also impressed by the volley of "Calibres" from our boat, project 636 from the underwater position. Of course, not everything was fully shown on TV, but from what he saw, one can judge that the crew managed to keep the boat under water in the standard differential for a long time. The rockets in the salvo were coming in a heap. And project 636 is a very low-tonnage steamer. However, it turned out beautifully

[mav1971]

Quote: jjj

Please note, Americans are trying to make launches from warm areas. From the Arctic Ocean, if my memory serves me right, they did not launch and did not carry out explosions for the purpose of testing the UBC. Thus, they did not work out the interception of our missiles at launch from the North.

Recently there have been tests. and a couple of months have not passed.
A ballistic missile simulator was launched. The Terrier flies without load to a height of up to 350 kilometers. From the territory of Scotland. the difference with Arkhangelsk is only 3-5 degrees in latitude. With Murmansk - 10 degrees.
I think that these are comparable numbers.
Shot down. The same standard.
Kinetic.

[mav1971]

Quote: jjj

And I was also impressed by the volley of "Calibres" from our boat, project 636 from the underwater position. Of course, not everything was fully shown on TV, but from what he saw, one can judge that the crew managed to keep the boat under water in the standard differential for a long time. The rockets in the salvo were coming in a heap. And project 636 is a very low-tonnage steamer. However, it turned out beautifully

What is the problem of holding trim when starting from torpedo tubes?
This is not PCM-52 with their volume in 75 cubes and a mass of almost 100 tons ...

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: jjj

Please note, Americans are trying to make launches from warm areas. From the Arctic Ocean, if my memory serves me right, they did not launch and did not carry out explosions for the purpose of testing the UBC. Thus, they did not work out the interception of our missiles at launch from the North.

So their whole north is covered with thick ice, there even their icebreakers do not go there. But the destroyers, corvettes and cruisers with the Aegis system there is nothing to do there. They are guarding us off the coast of Norway and about. Svalbard. It is just not far from the northern trajectories of our ballistic missiles.

[Denis Obukhov]

Looks like it's time in Cuba to place something.

[Atrix]

I’m wondering why the sofa experts always “Do not believe” “Raises doubts”, but real experts who sit in the Defense Ministry are seriously concerned that in the near future the United States will be able to create a real missile defense system. Or do our "experts" know more than the country's Defense Ministry? Or the "experts" are so stupid that I think that the United States cannot create missile defense systems in so many years, but they believe in a statement about maneuvering or Soviet missile defense developments. One thing reassures that nothing depends on the so-called "experts" in the Ministry of Defense, and you can sleep well and know that people are working to resolve these issues.

[iliitchitch]

If the couch experts knew a lot, they would be analysts at the Moscow Region.

[paxil]

Quote: Starover_Z

I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!

Well, guys don't underestimate the enemy. Who knows what developments they have there, they are also made with a little finger. We observe, analyze, draw conclusions, and keep the powder dry.

[Tusv]

Quote: Starover_Z

I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!

It is better to believe and draw conclusions, so as not to idle bullet

[VP]

And do not believe correctly
They caught a target fired from a letaka.
You can’t release ICBMs from an airplane.
And to catch a rocket having a speed of 5 kilometers per second and falling from above along a steep ballistic trajectory is not at all the same as an ordinary rocket going at 1-2 mach and parallel to the surface of the sea. And on which you rebuild on a plane that releases a target.
In general, some very unconvincing change. This is not a missile defense, it is very expensive and not very effective air defense sooner.

[mav1971]

Quote: VP

And do not believe correctly
They caught a target fired from a letaka.
You cannot release ICBMs from an airplane

Teach materiel!
http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2014-12-26/8_start.html - это раз.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/perevodnie/data/ic_perevodnie/4576/
Soviet developments
http://sescha.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=50597

and this is a video of the process



And more.
ICBMs are now conceptually intercepting at the booster stage.
But they are also learning to intercept the "falling from above". In 2-3 years, both the Israelis and the mattresses will achieve a decent result.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Starover_Z

I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!

Why? SM-3 is a pretty good transatmospheric interceptor. Amer her somehow even a satellite in orbit shot down. Due to the deployment of such systems in Europe, ours are expanding and modernizing the Russian nuclear triad. But the SM-3 has a drawback (as with all similar kinetic interceptors), the SM-3 is ineffective against maneuvering missile attacks.
Downed shtatovskoy aircraft rocket in the course flew smoothly and did not wag booty In these conditions, they shot a commercial about SM-3

[mav1971]

Quote: GSH-18

Quote: Starover_Z

I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!

Why? SM-3 is a pretty good transatmospheric interceptor. Amer her somehow even a satellite in orbit shot down. Due to the deployment of such systems in Europe, ours are expanding and modernizing the Russian nuclear triad. But the SM-3 has a drawback (as with all similar kinetic interceptors), the SM-3 is ineffective against maneuvering missile attacks.
Downed shtatovskoy aircraft rocket in the course flew smoothly and did not wag booty In these conditions, they shot a commercial about SM-3

Something seems to me that super-duper maneuvering is a child prodigy.
Guidance of the warhead is carried out by the unit in space.
calculation of its ballistic trajectory and shooting at the desired point.
There are no additional shunting rocket engines on the warhead (as far as I think).
Accordingly, the maneuvering of the warhead is created by the existing aerodynamic surfaces. Accordingly, only in the atmosphere. At an altitude of 40 km.
And this section is too low for CM-3. It is designed for higher points of defeat.

[GSH-18]

Quote: mav1971

Something seems to me that super-duper maneuvering is a child prodigy

Not at all! Our emphasis is on this, as on a countermeasure to counter the promising ameroPro.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: mav1971

There are no additional shunting rocket engines on the warhead (as far as I think).

And our military, as far as they think, is said to have maneuvering warheads. Will we vote - is it or not? Or believe our military?

[mav1971]

Quote: Алексей_К

Quote: mav1971

There are no additional shunting rocket engines on the warhead (as far as I think).

And our military, as far as they think, is said to have maneuvering warheads. Will we vote - is it or not? Or believe our military?

A maneuver in both space and atmosphere is a maneuver.
And in both cases - a warhead can be called maneuvering.
If warheads have the ability to maneuver in space - this is very good.
But still not a panacea.
All the same, she needs to follow a ballistic trajectory towards the target, so as not to break beyond the limits of the CVO. Her main task is to hit the target.
Accordingly, all maneuvers will be limited.
No matter how chaos and amplitude of the maneuver was needed, it does not maneuver. You must always be on the trajectory.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: mav1971

Something seems to me that super-duper maneuvering is a child prodigy.

When "it seems" - you need to be baptized ... (c)
Here are the lines from an interview with Y. Solomonov:
"Now the stage of disengagement is not used, which leads each warhead one by one to the flight path to the target ... Now there is a simultaneous separation of all warheads from the platform. Each of them is driven by its own guidance system and engines, and then flies along a ballistic trajectory. Moreover, breeding becomes possible at a much greater distance than when using a "bus". This principle makes it possible to significantly increase the effectiveness of the complex in conditions of overcoming the ABM system. "
And the second.
"In the 2000s, the maneuvering BB was tested both on special carriers - K65M-R and Topol-E missiles, and as part of the combat equipment of other missiles. Now we already have a maneuvering UBB that has practically passed the tests and is ready for deployment. equipped with the newest Yars-M ICBM. Only the Russian maneuvering block, of course, is thermonuclear. There is already a complex of means for overcoming missile defense. But the Americans are still at a much lower level. All the projects they are considering have not even reached the test level. prototypes, there are only poorly flying models of products. They have neither a mock-up of a combat load, nor a guidance system. "
It turns out - in vain panic! Amy, as always, drives ads, while ours play silence. (silence is gold!)

[Former battalion commander]

All the projects considered by them have not even reached the level of testing of prototypes, there are only poorly flying models of products.

Wow "projects have not reached ...", but which SIMPLY knock down ballistic missiles ... What then will happen when they "reach the level"? Something I doubt that your words are true ...

[NEXUS]

Most likely, all this was in "ideal" conditions, in the presence of some kind of "beacon" on the target rocket itself.

[venaya]

I must say that in this case a very high precision missile defense is required. Here you need to know more details of the test data.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: venaya

in this case, a very high precision missile defense is required.

Fair remark!
What does it depend on for SM-3?
1. From the AN / SHY-1 radar, which monitors the target, it conducts a constant digital exchange on the Aegis - SM-3 r / l, correcting its course, aiming at the target. And what ... nothing can break this connection?
2. The second element of accuracy is the GPS system, which gives the exact location of the SM-3. And what, we, in the threatened period, will look at these satellites?
3. IR GOS kinetic interceptor on a matrix cooled base, capable of detecting in space BB on D up to 300km. At the same time, knowing that its operating frequency is 4-16 microns. And what, we do not have infrared traps on military equipment that will cover the BB?
4. The speed of approach of the interceptor and the target! 3,7 km / s - at that speed, on 21.02.2008, the ISZr / target and SM-247 / interceptor fired from the Lake Trie missile launcher met at 3 km altitude. Well, if the speed is different?
And here the main question arises: will the 3rd stage of the interceptor be able to choose aiming errors +/- 3-5km. And if the BB will maneuver? (And he will maneuver!) Will the interceptor have enough inertia and reaction time?
So, with the approach speed of 4,5 km / s, with the optical (most accurate!) Guidance method, the expected miss is 20 m and the error in V = 50 m / s.
5. And what will he do with the new military equipment with the GB BB?
This is where you recall the popular proverb about cunning opu and left-hand bolt!
Briefly, but tried to the point.

[DobryAAH]

We will have a skirmish with them, and then everyone will see the bullshit missile defense of the partners. You will see everything.
Star Wars 2

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Good AAAH

We’ll have a hassle with them,

Tipun to your tongue, as my grandmother used to say!

Quote: Good AAAH

everyone will see bullshit missile defense partners. You will see everything.

They took up this problem very seriously.
And we will be able to take them off, if we adopt the SZ military equipment in the armament. Maneuvering seems to already be there.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Good AAAH

We will have a skirmish with them, and then everyone will see the bullshit missile defense of the partners. You will see everything.
Star Wars 2

We won’t see, I don’t even know where the nearest bomb shelter is in my area of ​​residence. Most likely he is not. And since 11000 - 15000 Tomahawks flying in flocks and from different directions cannot be shot down by our missile defense and air defense systems, I personally will not see anything and will not know how it is in Europe or America, whether their Aegis gets into our missiles or not.

[Wheel]

Quote: Алексей_К

And since 11000 to 15000 Tomahawks flying in flocks and from different directions, our missile defense and air defense systems will not be able to bring down

Well, for 14 years a little less than 7,5 thousand hatchets were produced, a couple of thousand were spent, about a thousand were written off ... where did such numbers come from?
But that is not the point.
In order to throw these hatchets, the striped fleet should come close to our northern shores.
Will Russia stupidly look at the slender ranks of the Arlibjörks off its shores?
Too lazy to repeat the calculations, repeatedly cited earlier, but I repeat the conclusion: all this bodyagi for the Papuans.

[dali]

Quote: Алексей_К

We won’t see, I don’t even know where the nearest bomb shelter is in my area of ​​residence. Most likely he is not. And since 11000 - 15000 Tomahawks flying in flocks and from different directions cannot be shot down by our missile defense and air defense systems, I personally will not see anything and will not know how it is in Europe or America, whether their Aegis gets into our missiles or not.

Mercury will help ... first ...

Secondly, there are more than 1100 cities in Russia ... i.e. somewhere around 13 tomahawks, and if it’s 15000. Are you sure that everything will fly (the axes are already old ... and explode on the spot and just do not fly ... or do the mattresses have no technical failures)? Yes, and you seem to think that our missile defense will be asleep?

The industrial centers will be closed ... but for creative managers, and there for any other "office" plankton may have to move the rolls to survive ...

So it turns out that "not interesting cities" mattress mats will not attack, industrial and military centers will cover everything ... well, millionaires ... then how lucky.

By the way, something that you were so worried about your beloved ... it smacks of alarmism though ... well, then we would go to work where, for example, to the Uralvagonozavod, to make tanks ... there they won’t get tomahawks ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Dali

Well, then they would go where to work, for example, at the Uralvagonozavod, to make tanks ... there they won’t get tomahawks ...

You are right! They will definitely not get it: this city-forming defense enterprise is scheduled for the Minutemans! Tridents will go to the points of military-political control, missile defense / air defense system, communications and control, unless, of course, LRAM is not in time by this time. And then something will fall from orbit "on the heads of the careless Parisians residents of Sverdlovsk "(c).

[dali]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

then you are right! They will definitely not get it: this city-forming defense enterprise is scheduled for the Minutemans! Tridents will go to the points of military-political control, missile defense / air defense system, communications and control, unless, of course, LRAM is not in time by this time. And even from orbit something will fall down "on the heads of careless Parisians of Sverdlovsk" (c).

Well, these goblins also have something to stop ... and indeed this is already universal destruction ... I have written more than once, mattresses are not as brainless as they seem and want to eat deliciously, drink sweetly and certainly not suicides.

Of course, someone put the cons, of course, and so you can express your opinion - but still ... to know in more detail the point of view of the minusers.

[wicked pinnochio]

Amer’s campaign about holes in my socks

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Angry Pinnochio

Amer’s campaign about holes in my socks

Change socks more often, otherwise you won’t have time for the American missile defense.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: wicked pinnochio

Amer’s campaign about holes in my socks

The most important thing is that our missile defense system should not be "full of holes like your socks."

[Hubun]

window dressing for the whole world

[Dr. Bormental]

What kind of glitches on VO? It prints comments, then no, it slows down, it doesn’t let me fix it .... is it for me only or for someone else?

[yuriy55]

Not only ... and not one ...

[Dr. Bormental]

Well, thanks, at least someone answered ..

[Dr. Bormental]

Well, thanks, at least someone answered ..

[AlexTires]

Apparently this is the final test, since SM3 will equip the missile defense base in Devessela, and will be launched in December .... Wow, they are not afraid that the Romanians will push it for cheap.

[Thunderbolt]

Romanians will not be allowed to the base for a cannon shot. Only if the toilets are removed.

[AlexTires]

Yeah, about the Romanians - Hochma, forgot the emoticon

[Alexandr2637]

It is not necessary to relate to this with hatred ..
Amerikosy and their mongrel are really preparing for war with us ...
Their missile defense is also not an empty place - you need to be vigilant!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alexandr2637

Amerikosy and their mongrel are really preparing for war with us ...

Your fears are not without reason!
All types of the US Armed Forces, a number of state organizations, leading defense industry companies, as well as small businesses are actively participating in the missile defense program. The missile defense agency of the Ministry of Defense is responsible for coordinating their actions and developing key elements of a promising system.
US R&D partners are involved in military blocs and agreements, including Israel, the UK, Germany, Italy, Japan, Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and others. A distinctive feature of the missile defense program is the widespread introduction of innovative technologies in the missile defense systems being created.

[mav1971]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Alexandr2637

Amerikosy and their mongrel are really preparing for war with us ...

Your fears are not without reason!
All types of the US Armed Forces, a number of state organizations, leading defense industry companies, as well as small businesses are actively participating in the missile defense program. The missile defense agency of the Ministry of Defense is responsible for coordinating their actions and developing key elements of a promising system.
US R&D partners are involved in military blocs and agreements, including Israel, the UK, Germany, Italy, Japan, Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and others. A distinctive feature of the missile defense program is the widespread introduction of innovative technologies in the missile defense systems being created.

I will even tell you that.
The Americans once asked the American physical society to respond to the fight against Soviet missiles.
Almost 40 of thousands of people, from members of this very society, responded.
The scope however.
Even if 1 from 100 gives a normal and working idea, then it will be 400 really cool ideas from really experts in physics.
not a single KB. no brainstorming inside the design bureau will come up with such a set of ideas.

[dali]

Quote: mav1971

The Americans once asked the American physical society to respond to the fight against Soviet missiles.

What kind of rockets? With the Soviet?

Quote: mav1971

Even if 1 from 100 gives a normal and working idea, then it will be 400 really cool ideas from really experts in physics.
not a single KB. no brainstorming inside the design bureau will come up with such a set of ideas.

How much time has passed since those Soviet times? And where and what ?! So far, only about Ijes have been heard, and even that, the prodigy of course, but nothing supernatural.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: mav1971

Amerikosy once asked ... It responded ... The scope however.

Amy also connected allies to this problem. Since 2006, they have been actively involved in trials. Along with the ships of the US Navy equipped with the Aegis system, ships of Japan, Holland and Spain participated.
Starting with SM-3 Block IB - a number of participants are participating along with the US Japanese firms connected to this work in accordance with the agreement concluded in August 1999 between the governments of the United States and Japan.
Thus, we are confronted by the united front of the intellectual power of the West and the East.

[LÄRZ]

Interestingly, did our missile defense radar launch detect?

[Rurikovich]

And who will tell you the truth And it’s worthless to reveal to the adversaries their opportunities

[SIvan]

It is about launching a cruise missile from an airplane, which then went above the water (not in space, like a ballistic one). Ours, of course, did not detect, because There are no radars in the Hawaii area.

Over-the-horizon radar "Container" for detection of cruise missiles sees at 3000 km, but
1) in the Far East they seem to be absent
2) Hawaii is still too far away. You need to understand that this is the center of the Pacific Ocean.

Only if from the ships. But I do not think that our or Chinese ships were there during the tests.

[mav1971]

Quote: SIvan

It is about launching a cruise missile from an airplane, which then went above the water (not in space, like a ballistic one). Ours, of course, did not detect, because There are no radars in the Hawaii area.

Your reasoning is meaningless - for you do not know what you are writing about.
eMRBM is a ballistic target missile. Dumped from a transport aircraft.
You can google or podedeksit - to understand what is at stake.

[LÄRZ]

Irkutsk should.

[SIvan]

Not. Which of our SPRN radars can detect a cruise missile flight over the sea in the Hawaii area?
Over-the-horizon radars see only ballistic missiles in space, while over-the-horizon ("Container") radars have a range of 3000 km. Hawaii is much further away (the center of the Pacific Ocean after all). Even if the Container was in the Far East, the range would not be enough. Remaining AWACS (A-50) and ships. But it is unlikely that our ships or aircraft were in the area of ​​the exercises.

[LÄRZ]

For some reason, the picture of the map of radar coverage areas does not crash. BUT!

Usole-Siberian
(Michelevka village),
Irkutsk Region
(object 1944, military unit 03908) 52 ° 51′19 ″ s. w. 103 ° 13′59 ″ c. d. (G) (O) (I) 6000 km 2010 — 2014 [18] [19] 2015 [16]
It controls the territory from the western coast of the USA to India. The antenna field is twice as large as Lechtus - 6 sections instead of three, which expands the field of view to 240 degrees in azimuth. Replaces the Dnepr radar.

[SIvan]

Not. Which of our SPRN radars can detect a cruise missile flight over the sea in the Hawaii area?
Over-the-horizon radars see only ballistic missiles in space, while over-the-horizon ("Container") radars have a range of 3000 km. Hawaii is much further away (the center of the Pacific Ocean after all). Even if the Container was in the Far East, the range would not be enough. Remaining AWACS (A-50) and ships. But it is unlikely that our ships or aircraft were in the area of ​​the exercises.

[SIvan]

Not. Which of our SPRN radars can detect a cruise missile flight over the sea in the Hawaii area?
Over-the-horizon radars see only ballistic missiles in space, while over-the-horizon ("Container") radars have a range of 3000 km. Hawaii is much further away (the center of the Pacific Ocean after all). Even if the Container was in the Far East, the range would not be enough. Remaining AWACS (A-50) and ships. But it is unlikely that our ships or aircraft were in the area of ​​the exercises.

[dali]

Man, are you stuck chtol?

By the way, why are you interested in this? Do you need this info, it’s kind of secret - don’t you find it?

On weak you want to take? Ish, tell him everything, and show him ... are you a case if you are not a meager?

[kind]

I think that the states where they need money for science do not spare. They have a strong missile defense school. There is something to think about, if ours in Russia have not thought a step further. Network users do not need to know everything.

[individual]

Pentagon in a stupor:
After the exemplary shooting of Russia with "calibers" from various carriers, there will be a lot of fakes and cutting of the US dough.

[mav1971]

Again unbridled hatred ...
Well, at least someone would be interested in reality.

For several years, American Lockheed Martin created a ballistic target missile specifically for testing missile defense systems.
The rocket has the working name eMRBM.
It is launched only by dumping in a transport aircraft C-17.
Simulates the launches and acceleration modes of Russian ballistic missiles. as close as possible to the actual launch conditions. Both land-based and marine.

Yesterday there was a launch close to combat.
The Aegis-Escher ground complex was being developed, which is installed in Romania and Poland.

This is bad.
We also learned how to make target missiles, and finished off their kinetic Standard.
Very bad.
For there are no maneuvers, false targets, electronic warfare equipment - and other nonsense (which is so fond of fools in order to poke) - at the acceleration stage there is not and cannot be for the time being.
ICBMs in this mode are completely defenseless.

[shans2]

What nonsense about the overclocking section? on yars, it is twice as fast as those before it, like on a mace, while the anti-missiles are several thousand from the take-off place, they can’t shoot down our missiles in the accelerating section in any way .... they will start thousands of kilometers from these missile defense, the Far East, Siberia, etc., ships also for several thousand, no destroyer can go from the coast into the depths of Siberia, there is no sea there ...

[mav1971]

Quote: shans2

What nonsense about the overclocking section? on yars, it is twice as fast as those before it, like on a mace, while the anti-missiles are several thousand from the take-off place, they can’t shoot down our missiles in the accelerating section in any way .... they will start thousands of kilometers from these missile defense, the Far East, Siberia, etc., ships also for several thousand, no destroyer can go from the coast into the depths of Siberia, there is no sea there ...

Imagine that the Americans believe that its missile defense is shooting an ICBM flying along an ascending path at a distance of up to 5000 km from the starting point. Moreover, the flight speed after engine development is already reduced to the level of 4 km per second. No matter what the start and speed gain was.
for example, the Romanian Aegis Asher is shooting rockets from Kozelsk and Tatishchevo. Given the input in Poland - they believe that they will reach Teykovo.
Destroyers in the North and Barents Seas remove everything, up to Yoshkar-Ola and Dombarovsky and Barnaul with Novosib.
Of course - all launches from SSBNs in the northern seas - are also removed.
For the Far East and Siberia with regiments in Uzhur, Novosib, Barnaul, Irkutsk, there is Alaska with a bunch of destroyers near it. The Far East with Kamchatka is completely covered by the same set.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: mav1971

For there are no maneuvers, false targets, electronic warfare equipment - and other nonsense (which is so fond of fools to poke) - at the acceleration stage there is not and cannot be for now. The ICBM in this mode is completely defenseless.

Strong statement!
You can immediately see the penguin on the flight!(C)
But let's get to the point.
Yes, the first part of the statement is true. But this is not at all a hopeless situation, as you think (ICBMs in this mode are completely defenseless.)
Protecting ICBMs in reducing Auth (the booster phase, as you say). Yars / Topol-M AUT is 4 times shorter than liquid ICBMs and 2 times faster than amov and hunfuze.
Secondly, dilution of BBs goes before they go into space, so one SM-3 on the 6 BB is clearly not enough.
Thirdly. SS-25 OUT 170 seconds. During this time, the interceptor does not have time to get it. By the end of the ATB, BBs are already flying along their trajectories.
Surely there are lotions about which Ascet’s colleague could tell, but Vyacheslav, unfortunately, stopped appearing on the site.

[mav1971]

Quote: BoA KAA

Secondly, dilution of BBs goes before they go into space, so one SM-3 on the 6 BB is clearly not enough.

But this is very interesting. By the way, how is it implemented?
This is such know-how, which is completely knocked out of the scheme of action of ballistic missiles with a divided warhead.
Installing your engine on each warhead? Sufficient to overcome gravity, etc.
If before leaving the atmosphere then?

Quote: BoA KAA

Thirdly. SS-25 OUT 170 seconds. During this time, the interceptor does not have time to get it. By the end of the ATB, BBs are already flying along their trajectories.

Those. You want to say that in almost 3 minutes?

Increase the time of the Active Site by 2 minutes. And the divorce section of war blocks to the level of 7-10 minutes.
So it will still be more plausible.

[Wheel]

Quote: mav1971

Again unbridled hatred ...
Well, at least someone would be interested in reality.

And what is it, reality?

Quote: mav1971

For several years, American Lockheed Martin created a ballistic target missile specifically for testing missile defense systems.
The rocket has the working name eMRBM.
It is launched only by dumping in a transport aircraft C-17.
Simulates the launches and acceleration modes of Russian ballistic missiles. as close as possible to the actual launch conditions. Both land-based and marine.

Well, to be completely accurate, then this creation of Lockheed-Martin simulates a certain spherical horse in a vacuum, a hypothetical "ballistic missile and range ", and medium-range missiles are not in service with the Russian Federation. The INF Treaty is still being implemented.

Quote: mav1971

Yesterday there was a launch close to combat.
The Aegis-Escher ground complex was being developed, which is installed in Romania and Poland.

To combat what?
Everything is known in advance.
Is it fighting?

Quote: mav1971

This is bad.
We also learned how to make target missiles, and finished off their kinetic Standard.
Very bad.

Chef!
The mustache is gone !!!
Plaster cast!
Customer is leaving!
We learned how to make productions - that’s how they arranged performances before.

Quote: mav1971

For there are no maneuvers, false targets, electronic warfare equipment - and other nonsense (which is so fond of fools in order to poke) - at the acceleration stage there is not and cannot be for the time being.
ICBMs in this mode are completely defenseless.

And now the most important thing.
There can be no talk of any interception at the booster stage of an ICBM.
Take a look at the location of our ICBM launchers and the location of the "interceptors".
Here is a visual search algorithm

[dali]

So mav1971 seems like a hidden penguin ... and penguins have 2 + 2 * 2 = 8 because even computers have calculators ...

[mav1971]

Quote: Wheel

There can be no talk of any interception at the booster stage of an ICBM.
Take a look at the location of our ICBM launchers and the location of the "interceptors".
Here is a visual search algorithm

And why didn’t you think in advance broadly for both sides?
And did not mark on this map the location of Berkov and Teak in the waters of the Server, Norwegian, and Barents Seas?
The marine component is then considered the main one. There will be 99% first-tier interceptors.

[Rurikovich]

In fact, in our age of computer technology, it will seem to a common man in the street that it is a matter of technology to calculate the trajectory of a warhead and send an opponent there in the form of an anti-missile ... to schoolchildren with their computer "Star Wars" this will seem like nothing at all ...
BUT! ... In reality, a warhead (already accelerated to a decent speed at several speeds of sound and in addition to an order in the form of false targets flying at the same speed) has a number of advantages overloading a missile (the task of which is to calculate and destroy kinetically (!), that is, direct hit the target. At the same time, it (the rocket) should perform maneuvers at a decent speed, which in principle makes it an unlikely rival. This is the same as getting hit by a bullet. For reference: I heard that our missile defense systems in Moscow have a low-power nuclear charge and they just need to be close to the target where the power will do its job
So, in my opinion, all this mouse fuss with the US missile defense was nothing more than cutting the dough and the marketing advertising move to calm the nation. If they (USA) predominantly, as they declare, then we would no longer be tenants. Only fear of an answer preserves peace on the planet

[mav1971]

Quote: Rurikovich

In fact, in our age of computer technology, it will seem to a common man in the street that it is a matter of technology to calculate the trajectory of a warhead and send an opponent there in the form of an anti-missile ... to schoolchildren with their computer "Star Wars" this will seem like nothing at all ...
BUT! ... In reality, a warhead (already accelerated to a decent speed at several speeds of sound and in addition with an order in the form of false targets flying at the same speed) has a number of advantages overloading a missile (the task of which is to calculate and destroy kinetically (!), i.e. a direct hit of a target .....

I'll leave it here.
See all.
To end.
Spend 16 minutes.
Catch the miniaturization level of modern electronics, computational power, joint computing algorithms.
These are students - 2013 year.
For me, a systems engineer, my first education is fantastically great.
And I'm glad. that this team has one Russian family person.
Do not want to watch everything - watch exactly with 9.00.
There everything begins that you speak of as impossible.

https://youtu.be/KYFvEDH7l7E?list=FLAUMeymNYNuPYcNpoYv1siw

[Rurikovich]

Something knocks out a mistake ... I would love to see
But once again, my personal opinion is that all this fuss with missile defense is not worth a damn. Even if they come close to the perfect combination of all the calculations and their real incarnations, it will be possible for a single warhead, but not for dozens , hundreds ...

[mav1971]

Quote: Rurikovich

Something knocks out a mistake ... I would love to see .

The second video is Sergey Lupashin (one of the group of the first video) - a student at the Swiss Higher Technical School ...

You must understand that on such a compact device, with such a small battery life and weight restrictions, it is unrealistic to install truly powerful computing systems. But. implementation itself.
Scaling to high power and available weights and volumes - and kilometers per second - will not be a problem.

[dali]

You want to say what ?! That mattresses are about to implement these algorithms and control technologies on their missiles, or is it still the future ...

Well ... and like, we’re slurping cabbage soup ?!

And it’s not like the S-400 and S-500 are on the way, but for the mattresses ?!

Quote: Wheel

Chef!
The mustache is gone !!!
Plaster cast!
Customer is leaving!
We learned how to make productions - that’s how they arranged performances before.

[mav1971]

[quote = Dali] You want to say what ?! That mattresses are about to implement these algorithms and control technologies on their missiles, or is it still the future ...

Well ... and like, we’re slurping cabbage soup ?!

Not. Again the message is misunderstood.
Chew everything and put it in your mouth.
Students of 20 years, on a scanty base, with a scanty opportunity create systems of interception, joint interception, etc.
When they grow up, tasks and financing and potential grow.

[Scraptor]

system engineering can be seen by flight ... Why aren’t they coming to us, but these talented Russian students?

[mav1971]

Quote: Scraptor

system engineering can be seen by flight ... Why aren’t they coming to us, but these talented Russian students?

System engineering makes it clear the scalability of the task.
if 20- these summer students on a scanty base, with scanty financing, have learned to do this, then what can we say about them. when they grow up, get billions of opportunities?

And students should be considered so.
Left in it - they have "plus 1", we have - "minus 1".
they already have at least one special, and we do not have this specialist. and it is still unknown whether or not to appear. and if it appears - will it not leave too.
Otherwise, they can get "plus 2", but we have "zero" again.
When I was studying, we eventually left six people, and this is at a non-profit university. But the best. It's a shame to remember this now.

[Scraptor]

systems engineering is usually understood in mathematics, physics and technology worse than in systems engineering
a third-party computer controls on a long video, these things are not autonomous, although they are easy to make.

For this, everything is so with the departure. They leave even simply with good heredity, without education.

[SIvan]

Quote: LERTZ

Interestingly, did our missile defense radar launch detect?

Not. Which of our SPRN radars can detect a cruise missile flight over the sea in the Hawaii area?
Over-the-horizon radars see only ballistic missiles in space, while over-the-horizon ("Container") radars have a range of 3000 km. Hawaii is much further away (the center of the Pacific Ocean after all). Even if the Container was in the Far East, the range would not be enough. Remaining AWACS (A-50) and ships. But it is unlikely that our ships or aircraft were in the area of ​​the exercises.

[DobryAAH]

Let us say that we tested our missile defense in the Kyrgyz Republic over the Novosibirsk Islands. All the same, they don’t see anything there, let them be afraid.

[dali]

Quote: SIvan

Not. Which of our SPRN radars can detect a flight ...

Are you a bot or something? This is already the same time you post ...

[Oleneboy_]

And how do we feel? Pulnut to Kura across the whole country and beat everyone with anything S-200, S-300. S-400. Missed-missile avno. Do not hit-hurt I forgot the planes))

[Kibl]

So they found where to conduct their tests, in Hawaii the sun is at its zenith all year round, a resort, in a word, paradise on Earth! Consider the laboratory conditions, but how will all this go in the vicinity of the North Pole with magnetic swirls?

[DobryAAH]

They will have 100% success. No one will control. The lunar program of the Americans. They pulled, pulled satellites, either they didn’t fall, then they couldn’t gently lay down and suddenly, bang. 100% landing, astronauts of the lunar module take off, docking. Does anyone believe in this bullshit? And when the towers flickered. Piled on some gangs that synchronously took away the planes, brought to the right points, and then the skyscrapers from collisions fell? Designed for gullible gullies to suck in them the need for operations in Afghanistan. Then waved test tubes, burst into Iraq.

[mav1971]

Quote: KIBL

So they found where to conduct their tests, in Hawaii the sun is at its zenith all year round, a resort, in a word, paradise on Earth! Consider the laboratory conditions, but how will all this go in the vicinity of the North Pole with magnetic swirls?

Heard nothing about the trials in the Hebrides?

[dali]

Quote: mav1971

Heard nothing about the trials in the Hebrides?

And you tell me, but references to the studio ... and there it will be seen ...

[BOB044]

They are afraid of yet another chatter to seem miserable. That's where they break.

[Gormenghast]

It’s they who are preparing to fly the clouds of North Korean and Iranian missiles. And we all believe them.

It would be nice, under the guise of testing the "Angara-5", on the sly, instead of blanks, to launch several orbital warheads to a height that ensures a ballistic life of 30-40 years. Send information about this "to partners"through diplomatic channels, but not openly recognize.

[Barakuda]

It doesn’t work, the pancake’s orbit needs to be adjusted regularly .. And then we ourselves will fall on the cumpol.

[Mera joota]

I believe that this news is not the main one, on December 9, 2015, the Americans launched the second launch of a new interceptor missile, while it’s just a launch

Acquisition, Technology and Logistics Agency (ATLA) of Japan's Defense Ministry and the United States Missile Defense Agency, in collaboration with the United States Navy, announced the successful test launch of the Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) Block IIA interceptor missile.

Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) Block IIA has a missile diameter increased to 21 inches (533 mm), faster speed and range, better maneuverability and a new GOS. This is a real danger, there is reason to think ...

[Barakuda]

Laziness was to read everything. But I have a question - How long does a missile defense need, what would a retaliatory strike be contained? However, they still need to be determined, filtered out from false ones, etc.
If one nuclear submarine under the ice lies at the bottom for a couple of weeks after the first "mess", the floor of North America may emerge and demolish .. What nafig anti-missiles .. When computers are working only in bunkers, and the survivors are knocking Morse code. And submariners, they are like that - a combat order, and act if there is no connection.

[mav1971]

Quote: Barracuda

Laziness was to read everything. But I have a question - How long does a missile defense need, what would a retaliatory strike be contained? However, they still need to be determined, filtered out from false ones, etc.
If one nuclear submarine under the ice lies at the bottom for a couple of weeks after the first "mess", the floor of North America may emerge and demolish .. What nafig anti-missiles .. When computers are working only in bunkers, and the survivors are knocking Morse code. And submariners, they are like that - a combat order, and act if there is no connection.

on the first point.
2 missiles on the 1 ICBM with the task of intercepting to the stage of divorce BB.
3-5 nuclear explosions that are at an altitude below 400-500 km - for 100% of the selection of combat and false targets among the heap of light on the radar.
Then, spot work on real warheads from the United States and around the United States.

According to the Premier League.
Do not lie at the bottom. Do not know how.
100 times already subplot wrote about it. here too.

[Old26]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

What kind of glitches on VO? It prints comments, then no, it slows down, it doesn’t let me fix it .... is it for me only or for someone else?

I had an hour ago.

[Barakuda]

It happens .. I inserted the picture for half an hour .. glitches. 40 minutes ago, figs to you.

[Reserve buildbat]

And the target rocket and the interceptor missile were fired from the same ship? Then I’m not surprised if the kinetic interceptor hit the target missile, which could theoretically fly 300km, and by the limitations for testing - 100km. And slowly and sadly

[Gadzilla]

Test them to wash the dough. Then they will tell their electorate "We will save the world from these Russians"

[smith7]

They are used to successfully deceiving their "electorate". Zadornov is right in his "they are stupid." But not all of them are stupid. The Americans are very smart and dexterous in terms of "relatively honest taking of money. The missile defense system is, of course, technically very cool, but it does not save one hundred percent from the nuclear winter of the American continent. Whatever one may say ... Development of nuclear deterrent weapons (means for striking) , even complicated by missile defense systems, is cheaper and more effective than the creation of missile defense systems. Technically, it's like “hitting a bullet with a bullet.” Archi is difficult, archi expensive. But the “foes” have achieved serious results, which, however, do not guarantee 100% anti-missile "umbrella." American voters do not want to understand the technical intricacies of the missile defense system, but in vain ... Money is almost "down the drain", except for the technological breakthroughs made on the way of creating systems. The SM-3 rocket is certainly a technical masterpiece, but fantastic expensive.

[Barakuda]

Quote: mav1971

3-5 nuclear explosions oncoming at an altitude of 400-500 km - for 100% selection

What kind of circus did you study at West Point? What breeding, if an exchange of blows has already taken place! And satellites, like sailboats soar without control. Or, for 100-200 km from the US coast, boats of the type belonging to Russia do not sail, a lot of facts of US sucker. Torpedo on the extreme coast, and USE!

Do not lie at the bottom. Do not know how.
100 times already subplot wrote about it. here too.

But somehow I didn’t notice, the Russian comrades tell me something completely different, they go practically to the Caribbean and normally. Even the eyes are not shown.

[mav1971]

Quote: Barracuda

What kind of circus did you learn at Waist Point? What breeding, if an exchange of blows has already taken place!

There are books published by mechanical engineering. edited by Volkov. just for specialized universities. It describes the current algorithm for the selection in space of real warheads from false targets, dipole fields, etc. the method of counter blasting a nuclear warhead.

Quote: Barracuda

But somehow I didn’t notice, the Russian comrades tell me something completely different, they go practically to the Caribbean and normally. Even the eyes are not shown.

It has been more than once here.
NPS cannot go to the bottom due to the specific location of components and assemblies and precisely in the lower part of the hull.
And here they go in the Caribbean?

[vfck]

Desa, don’t believe it, the United States has never really succeeded in successful trials about.

[Abakan]

day (wife’s sabakins) do not miss another
)) Already in Hawaii, about to check the answer, they are waiting for something

[Old26]

I read almost one and a half hundred comments and, frankly speaking, it became sad. A couple of people write more or less real posts, the rest either operate with fantasies like OBS (as an option - I heard the ringing, but I don't know where it is), others firmly believe that since the Americans, then everything they do is bullshit. It is sad that a rather "significant" topic for us became the object of either fantasy or outright ridicule of the enemy ...