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Unconditional hit of the season. The first thought - to paint in red. The theme of Wheeled Self-Propelled Cannons rises constantly, well, let's throw some firewood on the fire. Hitherto unseen KSP-T-12, I mean Rapier on wheels. Very tiny machine, in the cockpit place only for one humanoid. You have to understand - the calculation of fun runs alongside various belongings. Villainous thing.


P.S. Lightly littered with debris.























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  1. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 12 December 2015 06: 45 New
    +9
    Arched tires ???? beautiful hell and walkable. interesting machine .......... very much. apparently the further development of self-propelled guns ........
    1. Chiropractor
      Chiropractor 12 December 2015 11: 06 New
      +6
      the question is - why the hell?

      calculation shakes next in shishig?
      BC where?
      Then do not attach the rapier to the car?

      gas tank under the barrel !!!! incendiary bullet from mahmud and get a nice bonfire ...
      1. marshes
        marshes 12 December 2015 12: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: Kostoprav
        gas tank under the barrel !!!! incendiary bullet from mahmud and get a nice bonfire ...

        This unit is just for "Mahmoud."
        Attack of columns of previously prepared positions with subsequent withdrawal. For partisans.
        1. marshes
          marshes 12 December 2015 18: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: marshes
          This unit is just for "Mahmoud."
          Attack of columns of previously prepared positions with subsequent withdrawal. For partisans.

          Not a lot of "mistakes", not for Mahmud, not the theater of operations where the Mahmuds live, usually inaccessible terrain, but I don’t know how to name them, which can operate in a wooded area smile where it is problematic to use anti-tank systems because of the "green stuff." But the partisan weapons.
          For desert, steppe regions, the Ruikat is the most serious car and more mobile.
        2. Kusyka
          Kusyka 13 December 2015 22: 01 New
          +1
          I completely agree, while the calculation, with due dexterity, can be fixed on the coulters as much as the strength and ability to cover the waste. And the BC seems to be limited to 10-14 shots (5-7 boxes), and then either "the Moor has done his job, the Moor is being removed" or another option.
      2. edge
        edge 12 December 2015 12: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Kostoprav
        BC where?
        Then do not attach the rapier to the car?

        here along the way one of the first samples for the airborne forces.
      3. inkass_98
        inkass_98 12 December 2015 19: 46 New
        +1
        The tank is just protected by everything hinged, so you just can’t get into it. And if the diesel, then you have seen enough of the movie, you just can’t set it on fire.
        place on just one humanoid

        Not a humanoid, but a homo sapus, in which case laughing . An ordinary humanoid will not be a colleague in the mind for a great live from a cannon shoot.
      4. inkass_98
        inkass_98 12 December 2015 19: 46 New
        0
        The tank is just protected by everything hinged, so you just can’t get into it. And if the diesel, then you have seen enough of the movie, you just can’t set it on fire.
        place on just one humanoid

        Not a humanoid, but a homo sapus, in which case laughing . An ordinary humanoid will not be a colleague in the mind for a great live from a cannon shoot.
    2. Tektor
      Tektor 12 December 2015 12: 30 New
      +4
      I saw a ZIL with terrible mud on the rear axle cutting through terrible mud in the village: a terrible rogue who never got stuck.
  2. bionik
    bionik 12 December 2015 06: 58 New
    +6
    Nice gizmo, some wheels are just what they cost!
    1. corporal
      corporal 12 December 2015 07: 01 New
      16
      Quote: bionik
      some wheels are just what they cost.

      Past a nightclub on such a prank ..... wink All your fuckers good
      1. Kazakh
        Kazakh 12 December 2015 11: 52 New
        11
        Quote: Corporal

        Past a nightclub on such a prank ..... wink All deFki-your

        They will run nearby laughing
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 12 December 2015 09: 41 New
      +9
      Quote: bionik
      Nice gizmo, some wheels are just what they cost!

      Conventional low pressure wheels
  3. Rebus
    Rebus 12 December 2015 07: 12 New
    -7
    The same surrogate as the ZIS-30 at the time IMHO.
    1. gla172
      gla172 12 December 2015 07: 25 New
      +4
      But there was a need. That's what they did.
      1. gla172
        gla172 12 December 2015 08: 08 New
        13
        Or here ZIS 41.
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 12 December 2015 19: 53 New
          +5
          My late grandfather was a chauffeur during the war. And, as usual, he envied his colleagues on half-tracked trucks when he tried to get out of the mud during the muddy season - those famously passed almost any mess.
          Envy ended just in such weather, when the poor driver drove a torn caterpillar with a bonfire, a sledgehammer and some kind of mother in one person repairing a torn track in severe frost.
        2. inkass_98
          inkass_98 12 December 2015 19: 53 New
          0
          My late grandfather was a chauffeur during the war. And, as usual, he envied his colleagues on half-tracked trucks when he tried to get out of the mud during the muddy season - those famously passed almost any mess.
          Envy ended just in such weather, when the poor driver drove a torn caterpillar with a bonfire, a sledgehammer and some kind of mother in one person repairing a torn track in severe frost.
  4. paxil
    paxil 12 December 2015 07: 14 New
    +9
    And why, shot and dramatically changed position, maneuverability and practicality.
  5. bionik
    bionik 12 December 2015 07: 24 New
    +7
    The theme of wheeled self-propelled guns rises constantly
    Wheel self-propelled gun KSP-76 (USSR
    According to the terms of reference received from the Red Army Main Artillery Directorate for the development of a combined-arms self-propelled guns (OSA project), the specialists of the Gorky Automobile Plant developed one of the most interesting self-propelled gun projects of the Great Patriotic War. In contrast to the design bureau of Plant No. 38, where the T-70 light tank was chosen as the basis, a group of GAZ engineers, under the general guidance of the lead designer V. A. Grachev, designed the self-propelled guns on the chassis of the GAZ-63 all-wheel drive vehicle.
    Work on the cross-country vehicle began in April 1938, when the first conceptual design was submitted for consideration. Almost simultaneously, several variants of two- and three-axle trucks with a 4x4 and 6x6 wheel arrangement were being worked out, although most of them remained only in the form of prototypes.
    The first two prototypes were built in March 1939 and December 1940, successfully tested. With the outbreak of war, further development of the project was suspended, since all efforts focused on serial production. Once again, the GAZ-63 was remembered only in 1943, when at the meeting of designers of the automotive industry near Stalin, the chief designer of the GAZ A.A. Lipgart reported on the presence in the prototype of an all-wheel drive off-road vehicle, the main indicators of which were no worse than those of similar foreign cars. In November of the same year, a new prototype GAZ-63 was assembled, featuring a cab, almost entirely borrowed from the Studebekker US6-62, with L-shaped wings and grilles in front of the headlights. A little earlier, in August 1943, the chassis of an earlier prototype was chosen to create self-propelled guns, which initially received the designation “product 63-SU”, and then GAZ-68.
    In addition to the main indicators, the designers were faced with the task of facilitating the maintenance of the machine and its serial production as much as possible, so the choice in favor of a car chassis was partially justified. In addition to V.A. Grachev, no less talented engineers took part in the development of self-propelled guns: I.V. Gavalov, A.L. Ivanov, B.D. Kirsanov, I.G. Shimanovsky and others. According to official data, a preliminary version of the layout began to be worked out on October 19, 1943, and by the end of the year a wooden model of a self-propelled gun was built, renamed KSP-76 by this time (a 76 mm wheeled self-propelled gun). The leadership of the GBTU RKKA, at first rather skeptical of the GAZ project, quickly became convinced that the wheeled self-propelled gun could turn out no worse than the caterpillar one and on February 7, 1944 the project received official approval.
    1. bionik
      bionik 12 December 2015 07: 26 New
      +5
      Without waiting until the complete set of working drawings was ready, the technical documentation began to be transferred to the assembly shops, which partly saved time when assembling the first prototype. Three months later, on May 4, 1944, the prototype KSP-76 was completely ready. The self-propelled gun’s armored hull, designed by engineers Yu.N. Sorochkin and A.N. Kirillov, did not have a roof for the fighting compartment, but its sheets were installed at rational angles, which reliably protected the crew from large-caliber bullets and fragments. The total mass of the hull was 1140 kg. The main armament of the KSP-76 consisted of a 76,2 mm ZIS-3 divisional gun with a horizontal angle of 37 ° and a vertical angle of -3 ° to + 15 °. The gun was installed in the body as low as possible to reduce the height of the machine and at the same time increase the stability of self-propelled guns when firing. The layout of the fighting compartment was as follows. The gun was placed on the axis of the machine, to the right of which was the driver's seat, to the left - the commander-gunner, behind him - a folding seat for the loader. Observation of the environment was carried out by bullet-proof observation devices in the case, as well as using the commander’s panorama. The commander additionally performed the duties of a radio operator - a 12-RT radio station was installed in front of him in a special niche.
      For the KSP-76, the GAZ-202 carburetor engine with an output of 85 hp was chosen, which was also used on the T-70 light tank. The power unit was installed in the aft with an offset of 276 mm to the right of the axis of the machine. To the left of the engine, in special isolated compartments, a fuel tank of 140 liters and the main part of the ammunition of 58 shells were placed.
      The gearbox was equipped with a mechanical remote control. The brake drive was also mechanical. The engine was connected to the drive axles through three driveshafts with a two-speed gearbox. The front-wheel drive was constant, and the rear-wheel drive was disengaged. Rigid bridges with a 1700 mm gauge were attached to spars welded to the hull on four springs with hydraulic shock absorbers. Self-propelled guns used bulletproof single-pitch tires of large diameter with lugs.

      In this form, the KSP-76 was presented to the factory, and then to comparative tests with the OSA-76, held in the spring and autumn of 1944. At first, the gunners preferred a wheeled self-propelled gun, which had the best performance. The main driving characteristics were also high - with a total combat weight of 5430 kg, the machine could reach speeds of up to 77 km \ h, as well as overcome ford depths of 0,9 m and a 30 ° rise.
      True, very soon the opinion of KSP-76 changed. Compared to the tracked OSA-76, wheeled self-propelled guns had worse cross-country ability on soft and loose soil. In addition, a lack of stability was revealed when firing. Based on the test results, OSA-76 was chosen for further development and implementation in mass production. Work on the KSP-76 was discontinued in November 1944, and the only copy was later transferred to the tank museum in Kubinka, where it is still located.
    2. tokens2
      tokens2 12 December 2015 13: 01 New
      +1
      The first two prototypes were built in March 1939 and December 1940,

      very very sorry.
      and on February 7, 1944, the project received official approval.

      Is this when the Lend-Lease flood poured into the USSR? With hundreds of thousands of American trucks?
      No in 1944 this project was no longer interesting. Studebaker with a mass of payload "tore" the fronts at a time.
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        1. tokens2
          tokens2 12 December 2015 13: 51 New
          +1
          bionik
          Duck in my post says: Work on KSP-76 was discontinued in November 1944,

          And imagine if the Germans would create a similar option? And enter into a series ...
          And without tigers and panthers. Which were too complicated to produce. And without jagdpanthers and hatters.
          from a year ago there was an article with a museum photo of a csp.
          Could the Germans have resisted the Soviet tank wedges? Yes, completely.
          As well as the USSR in 1941. I had the same ways to deal with the Panzervaff. But I did not use it.
          Of course, one type of weapon cannot determine the outcome of a war. But still.
          By the way, the museum photo with the PCB has been on the site since a year ago.
          Sincerely.
          1. bionik
            bionik 12 December 2015 14: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: Lexi2


            And imagine if the Germans would create a similar option? And enter into a series ...

            As they say, history does not know the subjunctive mood, so that was it.
            1. tokens2
              tokens2 12 December 2015 14: 37 New
              0
              As they say, history does not know the subjunctive mood, so that was it.

              well no.
              Any successful weapon model is usually borrowed. And improved.
              And the possibilities of German industry (essentially European) were enormous.
              True, all this backlog went nowhere.
              The Panther Tigers laughing
              And since they didn’t borrow it, the gloomy Teutonic genius turned out to be alone with cats (tigers, panthers) and a big mouse (mouse) in the end laughing
          2. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 12 December 2015 15: 13 New
            -1
            The Germans had a developed line of armored personnel carriers, one of which the Puma, just met such requirements. An eight-wheel base and a 50 mm long-barreled gun.
            1. tokens2
              tokens2 12 December 2015 16: 34 New
              +2
              The Germans had a developed line of armored personnel carriers, one of which the Puma, just met such requirements. An eight-wheel base and a 50 mm long-barreled gun.

              They put the cannon closer to the end of the war, by order of Hitler.
              The eight-wheel base was too expensive a pleasure for mass production.
              For example, the Germans riveted the Opel Blitz truck in the amount of 129.
  6. Megatron
    Megatron 12 December 2015 07: 25 New
    18
    Well, yes, fun, as inspired.
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  8. Xenos
    Xenos 12 December 2015 10: 48 New
    -1
    Atska thing! Fsem amer bayazza! :)
  9. tinibar
    tinibar 12 December 2015 10: 56 New
    +3
    Why does the calculation run after, as the author suggests? You can perfectly navigate the LuAZ transporter! http://www.kolesa.ru/article/luaz969-volyn-zhizn-i-smert-evrejskogo-bronevika-20
    14-11-18
  10. vnord
    vnord 12 December 2015 11: 30 New
    +5
    The installation is interesting, I first saw it. The option for mobilization production is good. In the case of a large sheer, the very cost of production is not large. You can use workers of low skill (except for the production of tools).
    1. PXL
      PXL 26 February 2016 22: 35 New
      0
      The very first photo of the object appeared on the network in May 2014. It then stood at one of the polygons.
      http://forum.splav.ru/index.php?/topic/3141-rossiiskaia-armiia-v-fotografiiakh/p
      age-524
      See post No. 10472.
  11. xomaNN
    xomaNN 12 December 2015 11: 52 New
    +3
    So this is a picture of the St. Petersburg Museum of Artillery? It’s a pity I didn’t see when I was there.
    1. marshes
      marshes 12 December 2015 12: 45 New
      0
      It seems that it’s a pity that they are standing under the "sky". It would have been a good idea to make awnings, but covered them with polygal, cellular polycarbonate.
  12. kvs207
    kvs207 12 December 2015 12: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: xomaNN
    So this is a picture of the St. Petersburg Museum of Artillery? It’s a pity I didn’t see when I was there.

    Apparently, she stands a hundred from the main exposure. I didn’t see her either, but I need to look wink
    1. PXL
      PXL 26 February 2016 22: 36 New
      0
      "Night of the Museums," you may see.
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  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 December 2015 13: 44 New
    +5
    When the calculation "rolled" Rapier in the Gorokhovets camps (and there is continuous sand, who does not know), I really wanted something like that. So that ... She herself went. And it looks like it turns out.
  15. Mikado
    Mikado 12 December 2015 14: 53 New
    +7
    The so-called cannon "self-propelled", that is, it can only fire from stops, the calculation at the same time descends to the ground. It would be interesting for Shirokorad to write about her. Artillery Museum? We must go, look at this miracle of technology))
    Many thanks to the author for posting! I did not know anything at all about this machine, especially since it is in the Artillery Museum. Interesting performance characteristics))
  16. Aljavad
    Aljavad 14 December 2015 23: 12 New
    0
    And was it weak to dump construction waste before the photo shoot?
  17. Aljavad
    Aljavad 14 December 2015 23: 23 New
    0
    The topic is interesting. A supply of bullshit! article minus. Complete disrespect to readers. "but a cool thing, littered with garbage, class!"
    What kind of peacock mawlin ???

    Ahhhh! I get it. This is a hidden advertisement of the St. Petersburg Museum of Artillery, Engineering Troops and Communications! Like - tear asses off the couch, go and see for yourself! The museum and truthfully cool, wander for more than one day.

    Then it is clear. Then the article is a plus.
    1. tri-tire-tochka
      tri-tire-tochka 18 December 2015 12: 20 New
      +2
      Good afternoon. When I shot this car, the last thing I wanted to do was disrespect the readers. I thought that my readers are adults who themselves are able to accumulate information, but it turns out that they need to chew everything (they are too lazy to make a couple of clicks in Google and read something) and it also turns out to scatter the garbage so cluttered during repair the territory of the museum complex.
      1. PXL
        PXL 26 February 2016 20: 49 New
        0
        Vova! The people will rush to look for an object in the museum and will not find ... right away! ))))