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Sputnik: after Obama justified Turkey’s actions in the incident with the Su-24, Syria can shoot down any NATO aircraft

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The armed forces of Syria have the full right to shoot down any aircraft over their territory, which they see fit. This right is supported by the position of Barack Obama, who, commenting on the incident with the Russian bomber, said that Turkey defended its borders and acted within the legal framework, writes American analyst Finnian Cunningham in an article for the Sputnik agency.




“In other words, what is good for Turkey is good for Syria. Therefore, the Russian C-300 will allow Syria to restore its sovereignty and principles of international law, "Cunningham quotes RIA News.

He noted that "Syria is ready to deploy C-300 and C-400 air defense systems, supplied by Russia, and this will allow Damascus to control the territory of the whole country."

“NATO aircraft, be careful,” the author warns.

Cunningham points out that the only country whose aircraft legally fly in the Syrian sky is Russia, which received the consent of the Syrian government.

“All the others have not received such consent. Thus, we have at least seven foreign states that, in violation of international law, deployed their military aircraft to bombard the Syrian territories ",
emphasizes the analyst.

In his opinion, “the only legal criterion in this matter is the position of the state authorities of Syria”.

The West has done everything to “discredit and denigrate the Syrian government, but the fact remains: Syria is a sovereign state having the same rights as other UN member states,” the author states.

“If the Syrian government of President Bashar Assad, which, by the way, is recognized by the international community and retains its position in the UN, does not agree with foreign military intervention, then the intervention is simply illegal,” Cunningham concludes.
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  1. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 11 December 2015 08: 41
    77
    Nope! Ours will not go to "shoot down"!
    And so I would like to get even with the "calorie" for our guys ...
    Although? ..;))
    ... Syrian air defense, they are Syrian! )))
    1. Teberii
      Teberii 11 December 2015 08: 46
      46
      If the S-300 systems are officially handed over to Syria, only one thing will make them think.
      1. Temples
        Temples 11 December 2015 08: 53
        52
        What would the coalition think it is necessary to put complexes on alert duty.
        It is Syria, in addition to our complexes.
        And it would be nice to shoot down the drone with the Syrian complex.
        Unidentified drone. You can run it yourself quietly.
        The main demonstration of strength and will.
        Then the era of sovereignty of Syria will come.
        Israel will be against.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 11 December 2015 09: 01
          18
          Quote: Temples
          What would the coalition think it is necessary to put complexes on alert duty.

          Well, we put there the S-400, so what? Has the coalition stopped flying? On the contrary, they are impudent and provoke us, striking at Assad’s army. Here you need something else that would completely discourage the bombing of the Syrian army. I think that at the top we are already resolving this issue.
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 11 December 2015 09: 12
            42
            We need the work of Russian electronic warfare - non-lethal weapons. And if the electronic filling of the NATO letaks burns, so do not let counterfeit. Everything is explainable.
            1. quote
              quote 11 December 2015 16: 15
              -5
              Quote: Black Colonel
              We need the work of Russian electronic warfare - non-lethal weapons. And if the electronic filling of the NATO letaki burns, so don't let counterfeit. Everything is explainable.

              I love puzzles, but this one, "something did not ask"
              Trouble! 22 decided, but I have a "foot"!
              1. Pilot
                Pilot 11 December 2015 17: 04
                +2
                Quote: devis
                Trouble! 22 decided, but I have a "foot"!

                Raving, Turkish wound. :)
          2. Susul
            Susul 11 December 2015 09: 37
            34
            The thing is that the American plane must be shot down by the Syrian complex.
            Syrians have all rights to this, unlike Russia
            1. Ze Kot
              Ze Kot 11 December 2015 10: 02
              +1
              Quote: SUSUL
              The thing is that the American plane must be shot down by the Syrian complex.
              Syrians have all rights to this, unlike Russia



              It is only necessary that target designation goes from the side. And then after the first bombardment of American, Turkish or other aircraft, anti-radar missiles will be hit on the SAM.
              1. KVIRTU
                KVIRTU 11 December 2015 12: 25
                +7
                External target designation, generally the normal operating mode of the C300 family. The CVC (central computer complex) receives the target position point, its absolute height in the Gaus-Krueger coordinate system, recalculates the azimuth-range-elevation angle relative to its standing point, directs the tap-changer (illumination and guidance radar) to this point, turns on the radiation, generates needle beam, performs a scan on a spinning spiral, after detection, taking for escort, start, backlight before the defeat.
                Well, for PRL missiles - "Gazettechik-E", "Designed to protect the radar from anti-radar missiles (PRR) by short-term shutdown of their radiation by the commands of an autonomous PRR detector, as well as for the use of distracting devices and jamming PRR guidance systems with thermal, television and active radar homing systems. "
                Although all modern PRL missiles remember the coordinates of the radiation source, and will reach the radar after it is turned off.
                1. Ze Kot
                  Ze Kot 11 December 2015 14: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: KVIRTU
                  External target designation, generally the normal operating mode of the C300 family. The CVC (central computer complex) receives the target position point, its absolute height in the Gaus-Krueger coordinate system, recalculates the azimuth-range-elevation angle relative to its standing point, directs the tap-changer (illumination and guidance radar) to this point, turns on the radiation, generates needle beam, performs a scan on a spinning spiral, after detection, taking for escort, start, backlight before the defeat.
                  Well, for PRL missiles - "Gazettechik-E", "Designed to protect the radar from anti-radar missiles (PRR) by short-term shutdown of their radiation by the commands of an autonomous PRR detector, as well as for the use of distracting devices and jamming PRR guidance systems with thermal, television and active radar homing systems. "
                  Although all modern PRL missiles remember the coordinates of the radiation source, and will reach the radar after it is turned off.



                  As if a little in the know wink
                2. nemets
                  nemets 13 December 2015 15: 35
                  0
                  reach if she does not leave, s-300 and s-400 mobile systems - if that
              2. avia1991
                avia1991 11 December 2015 16: 43
                10
                Quote: The Cat
                SAM will be hit by anti-radar missiles

                This will be specifically the beginning of the war with Syria .. perhaps that’s why we are pulling - they estimate chances and strengths.
                Dumping the entire air group of the "coalition" is not technically a problem. Problem, how to put amerikosov in such conditionsunder which they will not be able to go on large-scale aggression ..
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 11 December 2015 10: 13
              10
              Quote: SUSUL
              Syrians have all rights to this, unlike Russia

              what What prevents Assad from speaking out (so everyone hears it) at the UN with a piece of paper saying that Russia is given the right to shoot down any aircraft over Syrian territory that do not belong to the Syrian government forces?
              I think he would have spoken long ago, but our government is against such a situation and still counts on any help and naively believes that the Geyropeytsy will change their minds and enter the fight on our side against ISIS.
              Fighting against ISIS is one thing, and fighting ISIS with the full supply of their BP, weapons and NATO intelligence is another.
              1. anfil
                anfil 11 December 2015 10: 31
                16
                Until he does this, when the "black" box with the SU-24M will be opened and deciphered, where it will be proved by parametric data that the plane did not cross the Turkish border, then these statements are possible.
                It was not for nothing that Putin gave the command to open the "black" box in the presence of an international commission, and this is irrefutable evidence that nothing threatened Turkey.
                1. sa-ag
                  sa-ag 11 December 2015 10: 35
                  -9
                  Quote: anfil
                  where according to parametric data it will be proved that the plane did not cross the Turkish border

                  And what if there is evidence that he did cross the Turkish ledge and it turns out that they knew and crossed anyway, so that intent will be found that will not be considered an accident, a mistake or other force majeure
                  1. go21zd45few
                    go21zd45few 11 December 2015 17: 46
                    +3
                    Abama said that Turkey acted in the legal field protecting its borders. Hence, in the future, according to him, Abama’s statement, any state has the right to bring down aircraft violators without warning.
                  2. nemets
                    nemets 13 December 2015 15: 45
                    0
                    he bombed and walked empty, he did not pose a threat, if that
                2. nemets
                  nemets 13 December 2015 15: 43
                  0
                  for the so-called international (or rather Anglo-Saxon) community n **** d, they don’t want to go to these data and see how our people prove it, because they know that they will be poked in their shit
              2. DobryAAH
                DobryAAH 11 December 2015 11: 25
                +3
                Yes, papers and conversations do not work on them, they sneezed on them.
              3. DobryAAH
                DobryAAH 11 December 2015 11: 25
                0
                Yes, papers and conversations do not work on them, they sneezed on them.
              4. nemets
                nemets 13 December 2015 15: 39
                0
                until these 3,14 Doors understand, they will either become Wahhabi Muslims, or they won’t be at all. I agree that at least one of their planes needs to be shot down and their pilot died. It’s bad to wish death, but here you need it
            3. sherp2015
              sherp2015 11 December 2015 10: 16
              +7
              Quote: SUSUL
              The thing is that the American plane must be shot down by the Syrian complex.
              Syrians have all rights to this, unlike Russia


              In Vietnam, with this, as it were, there were no problems ...
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 11 December 2015 11: 55
                +4
                Quote: sherp2015
                In Vietnam, with this, as it were, there were no problems ...

                That's right! My friend served there in 1970-1971. In the 1960s, our crews sat there. And even then they learned how to fight the PLR. In confirmation: Kolesnik. N.N. "The war in Vietnam ... How it was (1965-1973 ) ".
            4. mvg
              mvg 11 December 2015 14: 22
              -3
              be shot down by a syrian complex

              Horns and legs will remain from the Syrian army. Even ours will fall under the hot hand. The Syrians - how air defense fighters showed themselves in Lebanon in 1982 ... There was an article on the topvar ... I really don't want a repetition, when the Jews put all the air defenses in "one gate", and ours at the same time ..
              And if we (anyway, we don’t trust the Syrians with the devices) we will fail, say, a Typhoon, a little British thread, wait for provocations around the world ..
              PS: War ... in the long run ... Personally, I have children .. I can sacrifice myself, but I do not want them.
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 11 December 2015 16: 53
                10
                Quote: mvg
                PS: War ... in perspective ... Personally, I have children ..

                So think about them! Do you want them to live in a pseudo-Islamic society ?! Or under the Americans?
                Yes - the war is getting ready. And the increase in the number and severity of provocations is one of the signs of that .. And too many politicians WANT to provoke a big conflict! Whether it will be possible to avoid it is a big question. For me, it would be better to deal with these ub.lyud.ki! Once and forever! For history shows that such ... calm down only in a coffin!
                No wonder that in Russian the saying has developed: "Leopard change his spots".
                1. CAMS
                  CAMS 12 December 2015 07: 23
                  +3
                  there will be no war. The VVP about nuclear and preventive has not just started a conversation.
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 12 December 2015 19: 20
                    0
                    Quote: KAMS
                    there will be no war. VVP about nuclear, preventive

                    Do not be naive.
                    In order to wear down the economy of a given power, it is enough to unleash 2-3-5-10 conflicts against its allies, arrange a couple of "flower revolutions", and - after a while, you can "take it lukewarm." Large-scale databases are simply not required, and without them - what kind of "nuclear bombs" would you like ?! On what grounds ??
                    1. nemets
                      nemets 13 December 2015 15: 50
                      0
                      no one canceled the terrorist attacks, and in FSA you can find vigorous weapons in the presence of a lot of money. They’ll sell their mother for the sake of money - many people don’t have a brain there
              2. Vlad5307
                Vlad5307 11 December 2015 17: 01
                +5
                Quote: mvg
                PS: War ... in the long run ... Personally, I have children .. I can sacrifice myself, but I do not want them.

                And as a result, with such a position - "my house is on the edge" and you will get a war, and even in a more disadvantageous position! am
              3. kaldos
                kaldos 12 December 2015 10: 01
                0
                over the past 30 years a lot has changed ...
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              5. Twilight
                Twilight 12 December 2015 13: 09
                +1
                You are not far off if you can try to convince someone about the voices of our Army and Navy ... One hundred percent minus and certainly deserved in a tenfold amount ...
              6. nemets
                nemets 13 December 2015 15: 47
                0
                I have one too, but I don’t want them to serve naglosaks, death is better than slavery
            5. Gor-1974
              Gor-1974 12 December 2015 10: 52
              +1
              It seems to me that an American plane can take down igles for even an hour, why should the Syrians do this? all the more so, according to America, they render more tangible harm to terror than Russia. In my opinion, the US should be wary of attacks by aggressively-minded militants
          3. CONTROL
            CONTROL 11 December 2015 09: 45
            +4
            Quote: SRC P-15

            Well, we put there the S-400, so what? Has the coalition stopped flying? On the contrary, they are impudent and provoke us, striking at Assad’s army.

            Assad is bombed for "offending" the Kurds ... well, and "by mistake" it accidentally flew in ... Kurds are bombed for "offending" Assad and Turkey ... ISIS is bombing - officially, "in coalition" (rarely, really ...) ....
            Bomb everyone! And none of them! ... Assad, Kurds, and ISIS do not have adequate air defense systems!
            But - will appear: for a start, the first two "bombed"? ... Probably, to counterbalance - and ISIS will ... allegedly the Turks will give! (The United States will deliver ...)
          4. Anatoli_kz
            Anatoli_kz 11 December 2015 10: 00
            +6
            Russia does not have the right to shoot down other planes.
            Russian sovereignty is not there.
            But the Syrians should be given air defense and let down. We must start with the Turks.
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 11 December 2015 10: 17
              +5
              Quote: Anatoli_kz
              Russia does not have the right to shoot down other planes.

              ... not the smartest idea.
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 11 December 2015 10: 18
              +9
              Quote: Anatoli_kz
              Russia does not have the right to shoot down other planes.

              request There is no right, only as long as there is no official permit paper from the legitimate government of Syria. Any agreement with the signatures of GDP and Assad on the comprehensive protection of the sky of Syria will immediately remove this issue. Whether we will pull financially and how strong the Faberge of our commanders is another question.
            3. nemets
              nemets 13 December 2015 16: 00
              0
              c ** don't I have ?! and if they fly to our base? let ** anut and then we answer?
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 14 December 2015 10: 22
                0
                Quote: nemets
                c ** don't I have ?! and if they fly to our base? let ** anut and then we answer?

                Nobody will touch our base, they will simply "smear" in the cities in water pipes and sewerage systems. Unsanitary conditions are a terrible thing, especially in a hot climate, in principle, the bombing of hospitals, water pipes and reservoirs, the power supply of large settlements can be equated in terms of impact with weapons of mass destruction
          5. Sega66
            Sega66 11 December 2015 11: 21
            +2
            Our complex stands there to protect our VKS, and not to protect Syria. It seems like there is a 2007 contract for the supply of 4 S-300 divisions to the Syrians, if it is unfrozen ...
          6. Volzhanin
            Volzhanin 11 December 2015 12: 22
            +7
            Why else?
            The Syrians are simply obliged to shoot down all the other flying objects, including drones. They have full legal and moral right. So it’s necessary to bring down everything that flies without coordination with the government without respite.
            As for Assad’s illegitimacy, this is a personal private opinion of the mattress and let him shove it into his back seat flat.
            I think Amers easier not to fly than to unleash a third world because of Syria. It is only necessary to make them understand that we are ready to go all the way in this matter of fundamental importance for the whole World, and they will immediately fall off. There is not even a shadow of doubt.
            1. mvg
              mvg 11 December 2015 14: 33
              +1
              I think Amers easier not to fly than to unleash a third world because of Syria

              And you do not think. This is not the process that you manage ... Yes, and the head begins to hurt ..
              PS: There are interests, national, there is pride .. yes NATO started all over Syria and a hedgehog with them .. When there are state interests ..
              The only real force in BV is the Jews .. In their garbage dump they will encounter amers .. both with Russia and the Lord God .. For the sake of survival.
              Hence the question, what do God-chosen members of the forum think if a war starts on their border?
          7. vell.65
            vell.65 11 December 2015 19: 23
            +2
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            Well, we put there the S-400, so what? Has the coalition stopped flying? On the contrary, they are impudent and provoke us, striking at Assad’s army. Here you need something else that would completely discourage the bombing of the Syrian army. I think that at the top we are already resolving this issue.

            At first, I think, to warn that in case of shelling of the Syrian army or civilians by unknown aircraft, these aircraft will be destroyed, maybe after that they will think about it and publish it all in the media first. It’s necessary to prepare the international electorate for the unexpected of the war anyway.
          8. bootlegger
            bootlegger 12 December 2015 12: 37
            +2
            The question is not to quickly squeeze the West out of Syria. It is possible, but then from their position of a sluggish imitation of activity they will move to actively oppose our efforts in Syria. They will rebrand ISIS, call them freedom fighters and openly help them with weapons. We will repeat the situation in Afghanistan.
            Do not rush into such a development of events, although it is inevitable.
        2. dsi
          dsi 11 December 2015 09: 21
          +1
          Israel will be against.

          You wanted to say: -Including Israel.
        3. V.ic
          V.ic 11 December 2015 10: 13
          0
          Quote: Temples
          Israel will be against.

          When was the mentioned "Baba Yaga" in favor?
        4. Altona
          Altona 11 December 2015 11: 58
          -1
          Quote: Temples
          What would the coalition think it is necessary to put complexes on alert duty.
          It is Syria, in addition to our complexes.

          ---------------
          At least electronic warfare systems to burn the hell out of all the electronics on their sides ...
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 11 December 2015 12: 13
            +2
            Quote: Altona
            At least electronic warfare systems to burn the hell out of all the electronics on their sides ...

            Even a civilian side can withstand a direct lightning strike on the fezulage, without the failure of the on-board electronics, why do you refuse military electronic warfare resistance, where this should be provided by default?
        5. mmmsoc
          mmmsoc 11 December 2015 20: 04
          +1
          Turks don't really know what to do anymore. When “their” F16s just rise, they immediately get to escort the C400, and the radiation warning system has not been canceled.
        6. Foxmara
          Foxmara 12 December 2015 15: 52
          +1
          Quote: Temples
          Israel will be against.

          is not a fact. Israel has already discussed everything with Putin. And they first smell where the wind blows
        7. nemets
          nemets 13 December 2015 15: 28
          0
          like I was cocoa on this Israel, they generally do what they want
      2. REDBLUE
        REDBLUE 11 December 2015 08: 58
        +4
        Thoughts do not work for them. More precisely, they work in one direction. Stripes are a chosen nation and that’s it. So that until a couple of three are knocked off their head is not
        1. kil 31
          kil 31 11 December 2015 09: 28
          +1
          Quote: REDBLUE
          Thoughts do not work for them. More precisely, they work in one direction. Stripes are a chosen nation and that’s it. So that until a couple of three are knocked off their head is not

          They will then smash Assad. They bomb ISIS behind the cover of an UN article. They conducted a coalition, like the fact that ISIS attacked the country of the coalition and they have the right to destroy the aggressor anywhere in the world without any permission. If Assad knocks down, then he is an ally of ISIS and must be destroyed. ISIS at the UN is considered a terrorist organization.
      3. Denis
        Denis 11 December 2015 09: 02
        +6
        Quote: Teberii
        If the S-300 systems are officially handed over to Syria, only one thing will make them think.

        Only shot down planes that violated the Syrian border will make them think.
      4. Lukich
        Lukich 11 December 2015 10: 19
        +3
        Quote: Teberii
        If the S-300 systems are officially handed over to Syria, only one thing will make them think.

        yes, they were most likely brought there for this. now the Syrian will be taught, and then "presented"
      5. Lukich
        Lukich 11 December 2015 10: 25
        +2
        Quote: Teberii
        If the S-300 systems are officially handed over to Syria, only one thing will make them think.

        yes, they were most likely brought there for this. teach the Syrians, and then "give"
      6. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 11 December 2015 11: 53
        +1
        the Syrians will be knocked down, unambiguously .... but having previously agreed with ours .... because there will immediately be a response from NATO (the coalition) and Russia will have to harness it, but the Americans will understand that they will not be able to limit without limit ....
      7. Yuriy3005
        Yuriy3005 11 December 2015 11: 58
        +3
        can be made even more elegant. We are now supplying S-300s to Iran. Assad is requesting the deployment of these complexes in Syria under the control of Iranian operators. And who can prevent this? The destruction of these Iranian complexes in Syria by "coalition" aircraft is tantamount to an attack on Iran, but the Iranian S-300 shooting down any "coalition" aircraft. who is in the skies of Syria without the official permission of the legitimate government under international law and let them prove otherwise.
        And Russia has nothing to do with it :)
      8. Nirvanko
        Nirvanko 11 December 2015 20: 58
        +5
        Or maybe you don’t need to hide behind the back of the weak and already start making important decisions yourself?
        1. Voltsky
          Voltsky 13 December 2015 04: 45
          0
          Mattress uses the weak, but conscience-honor doesn’t allow you, or dementia and courage? Or are you all about your allies? :)
          1. Nirvanko
            Nirvanko 13 December 2015 18: 26
            0
            Infinitely long to avoid open confrontation will not work. This has already led to the fact that most of Ukraine is occupied by the anti-Russian regime.

            After all, Yanukovych could stay in Kharkov and ask for help - including military - to Russia. Then there would be no war in the Donbass. The whole Southeast could be easily knocked out of Kiev’s rule.

            A regional player, such as Turkey or Saudi Arabia, quietly brings in troops in a similar situation, while Russia - essentially a superpower - has a slurred and indecisive policy.
      9. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 11 December 2015 22: 53
        +2
        You can not transfer, and rent out, for a short time, for an hour, it will be enough
        1. Xsanchez
          Xsanchez 13 December 2015 14: 06
          0
          Do not do that, by doing this we will open NATO the possibility of leasing air defense systems of the "moderate opposition", and leapfrog will begin, as a result, the Syrian army will be crushed, and we will be flopped.
      10. iouris
        iouris 12 December 2015 13: 18
        +2
        Baba Yaga (Israel) against: S-300, S-400 can only be controlled by the Russian Federation. But there are still fabulous characters who are opposed to being shot down by airplanes.
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 11 December 2015 08: 46
      +8
      Quote: Mihalich17
      Nope Ours will not go to "shoot down"!
      And so I would like to get even with the "kaolitsiya" for our guys ...
      Although? ..;))
      ... Syrian air defense, they are Syrian! )))

      The Syrian armed forces have every right to shoot down any aircraft over their territory that they consider necessary. This right is reinforced by the position of Barack Obama, who, commenting on the incident with the Russian bomber, said that Turkey defended its borders and acted within the legal framework.
      So I thought about the same thing. AND let Obama jump like a ruff in a pan! It is only necessary for him more often to poke him in the black hat with his own words ...
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      1. guzik007
        guzik007 11 December 2015 09: 16
        21
        And how many cheers were - EW !!! bubble over Syria! Russia has established a no-fly zone! Wuxia electronics refuses, no one will fly! Etc. etc.
        Fly, bombing insolently. Yes, and laugh.
        1. kitamo
          kitamo 11 December 2015 10: 23
          +6
          Quote: guzik007
          And how many cheers were - EW !!! bubble over Syria!


          how is it not ew? how is it not a bubble over Syria? Why do you think their planes miss forever?
          REB IN ACTION !!!

          JOKE!!! joke ... joke ... joke ...
          please do not kick ...
    4. Askin
      Askin 11 December 2015 09: 23
      +1
      Quote: Mihalich17
      Nope! Ours will not go to "shoot down"!

      Why?
      After all, the American analyst Finnian Cunningham allowed!
      URA! laughing
    5. Million
      Million 11 December 2015 09: 51
      +1
      Well, why? If NATO provokes, then ours can even get banged
    6. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 11 December 2015 11: 22
      0
      Syrian air defense MUST and MUST bring down any unidentified flying object in its Syrian space.
      And if they don’t do this, then they are omissions.
      1. mvg
        mvg 11 December 2015 14: 27
        0
        It’s good that such idiots like you don’t sit at headquarters ..
        Omitted would be substantially more.
        Buy, for rent, a little mohkoff .. anyway, they won’t take root, but at least you won’t drink.
    7. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 11 December 2015 11: 39
      +2
      You see, what the Russian S-400 system is doing, the brain in the west has begun to give the right information, the more powerful Russia is in Syria, the more the head begins to think in the west and this is a positive signal!
    8. Berg berg
      Berg berg 11 December 2015 12: 08
      +1
      Let the Americans remember Vietnam and their heroes of aviation and air defense! And their main character is LI-SI-CHIN!
    9. Pilot
      Pilot 11 December 2015 17: 00
      +1
      Nope! Ours will not go to "shoot down"!
      Yeah, as they die on the sixteenth, mom do not grieve. If it were my will, I would set a precedent, in spite of everything.
    10. Libra
      Libra 12 December 2015 17: 37
      0
      If the Syrians knocked down, then NATO will blame us anyway, it will be one on one as with Ukraine.
    11. mimohodom
      mimohodom 12 December 2015 21: 08
      0
      That's it, and you do not need to wait and endure, as in the Donbass. What questions may be, according to NATO’s reaction, it will be possible to judge whether they will go headlong into trouble. Strength must be answered by force.
  2. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 11 December 2015 08: 42
    +6
    How cool the complexes look! Like the columns of some ancient temple ... Beauty!
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 11 December 2015 09: 05
      +2
      It's right! Impressive! And she takes pride in our men who create all this, service it, and skillfully use it! soldier
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  3. Wolka
    Wolka 11 December 2015 08: 45
    15
    from the point of view of law, everything is true, but in practice everything is different, who is stronger is right ...
  4. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 11 December 2015 08: 46
    +5
    For me, it's time to decide.
    1. Vadusha
      Vadusha 11 December 2015 08: 49
      +1
      it’s time, it’s time, just then it will be like ours a couple of NATO planes will strike?
      1. Bluesman
        Bluesman 11 December 2015 08: 57
        +2
        Quote: Vadusha
        how do a couple of NATO planes bang ours?

        not ours. Syrians. First of all, they should worry about their sky. I suspect that the Turks are really looking forward to this, making their NATO sidekicks a little nervous.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 11 December 2015 09: 08
          +4
          Quote: Bluesman
          not ours. Syrians. First of all, they should worry about their sky. I suspect that the Turks are really looking forward to this, making their NATO sidekicks a little nervous.
          Well, the NATO, in response, will be ironed for a month, until some debris remains. Forces are not absolutely equal, alas.
          1. Bluesman
            Bluesman 11 December 2015 09: 28
            +1
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Well, the NATO, in response, will be ironed for a month, until some debris remains. Forces are not absolutely equal, alas.

            I agree. Moreover, mind you - it will no longer be "our war." And in the event that the SAR enters into conflict with a third party, we will probably have to curtail the operation in Syria. So Assad is threatened with the loss of his only ally.
            1. Erg
              Erg 11 December 2015 09: 51
              +3
              If the Syrians have air defense, no one will "iron" them. And ours will not leave. And the United States will not have any chances. I remember Vietnam ...
              1. Bluesman
                Bluesman 11 December 2015 12: 24
                0
                Quote: Erg
                If the Syrians have air defense

                and before that was not?
              2. drugg
                drugg 11 December 2015 16: 01
                +1
                Now is not the time when the Americas fought in Vietnam themselves, but if all of NATO’s members, plus their sixes from European and Arab countries, will definitely fight Syria.
              3. Xsanchez
                Xsanchez 13 December 2015 14: 26
                0
                What do you all remember Vietnam, the Americans are not stupid, they also remember the experience of the Vietnam War. Therefore, they will try to prevent their mistakes: we will supply air defense systems to the Syrians on our deliveries of air defense systems (at their request), while they themselves will not fly over Syrian territory (well, maybe a UAV) .And the air force will spoil life. Having lost support from the air, the ATS army will quickly deflate, more refugees will appear, in the end they will accuse us of all sins! And, it will be very difficult to excuse yourself that you are not a camel, and that they didn’t warn you. The Turks in Nineveh (Iraq’s province) want to crank up the Crimean scenario: there’s a lot of oil, it’s enough to agitate the conflict for a long time.
          2. ziqzaq
            ziqzaq 11 December 2015 10: 20
            +4
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Well, the NATO, in response, will be ironed for a month, until some debris remains. Forces are not absolutely equal, alas.

            And then in Vietnam, forces were directly equal ...
            Deliver the S-300 to Syria and let the Syrians "land" a couple, another "exceptional" aircraft ...
            How smart people say:
            If there is a fight - hit first ....
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 11 December 2015 11: 22
              +2
              Quote: ziqzaq
              And then in Vietnam, forces were directly equal ...
              Deliver the S-300 to Syria and let the Syrians "land" a couple, another "exceptional" aircraft ...
              How smart people say:
              If there is a fight - hit first ....

              In Yugoslavia, there were equals or there in the Persian Gulf, at Sadam. This is a much more recent story. And then, the USSR was a much more powerful state than Russia, the resources are completely different. Assad cannot cope with the rebels for 5 years, and you want NATO to deal with everything. A couple, another hundred planes will have to be "ground", no S-300 will be enough.
      2. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 11 December 2015 09: 07
        11
        Quote: Vadusha
        it’s time, it’s time, just then it will be like ours a couple of NATO planes will strike?


        And probably nothing will happen, well, they will express indignation, well, they will pour another bucket of mud on Russia and Assad, well, they will once again call us the evil empire, but this most likely will not go on! Although if the planes are Turkish, then Turkey could theoretically declare war on Syria, which the Americans are seeking! But again, Turkey will not be able to win the war alone, but NATO will not join, I do not believe that NATO is ready for a war with Russia, well, I do not! Who can fight there except America, nobody! And the fact that the Americans will fight with their own hands, I especially do not believe, their gut is thin!
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 11 December 2015 09: 39
          +1
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          and NATO will not join, I do not believe

          And what will prevent the coalition from bombing on occasion on the positions of the Syrian army?
          1. Bluesman
            Bluesman 11 December 2015 10: 10
            0
            Quote: sa-ag
            bomb on occasion on the positions of the Syrian army?

            or throw axes.
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 11 December 2015 11: 25
          +2
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          But again, Turkey will not be able to win the war alone, but NATO will not join, I do not believe that NATO is ready for a war with Russia, well, I do not!

          Tell a hypothetical scenario in case of war with Turkey. As I see it, the straits are blocking, our group in Syria is against the entire Turkish army. We do not have a land border with the Turks! How will we fight? Nuclear missiles to bullet? So the Turks did not get into our territory - we didn’t bomb Afghanistan, but the Americans, for example, Vietnam. I don’t see what the Turks are afraid of except for the fact of the war itself.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 11 December 2015 13: 06
            +3
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            I see so - the straits are blocking, our group in Syria against the entire Turkish army

            belay It will not work to fight on the territory of Syria, our Turks will simply be dusted, ours, of course, will have time to inflict some damage, but not much.
            We can assume the work of our strategists and the Kyrgyz Republic from the Crimea and the World Cup and KM water areas.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 11 December 2015 16: 36
              +3
              Quote: Corsair
              It will not work to fight on the territory of Syria, our Turks will simply be dusted, ours, of course, will have time to inflict some damage, but not much.
              We can assume the work of our strategists and the Kyrgyz Republic from the Crimea and the World Cup and KM water areas.
              I agree, therefore, I don’t quite understand when they say that the Turks are afraid of something there. They have all the trump cards in their hands, even without NATO ... that's why the plane was shot down insolent and continue to snap back. With missiles we inflict certainly certain damage, but not fatal. Yugoslavia has stood against all of NATO for three months, with the overwhelming superiority of the West. And here the proportions are much smaller. In the Black Sea, they generally have an advantage. hi
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  5. Cu6up9k
    Cu6up9k 11 December 2015 08: 48
    +2
    Still, apparently we will have to see an adequate response from the Western coalition, but we don’t want to.
  6. Woodman
    Woodman 11 December 2015 08: 50
    +4
    It is unlikely that Syria will decide to destroy NATO aircraft ... The Syrians are now in the wrong position to act in this way. Although I admit that, after relevant statements from the Syrian government, Turkish aircraft could be affected. And this would be entirely justified, given the almost open support of the Islamic State from Turkey and the tension in relations between Turkey and Russia.
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    2. Tatyana
      Tatyana 11 December 2015 09: 15
      +4
      Lesovik RU
      It is unlikely that Syria will decide to destroy NATO aircraft ... The Syrians are now in the wrong position to act in this way.

      Syria must decide - the Syrians will simply have no other choice. Otherwise, it means for them to give up. While Russia is helping the Syrian government forces, they have a chance to defend their independence.
      Only the Syrians should not hesitate to resolve such issues.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 10: 20
        +2
        Quote: Tatiana
        Only the Syrians should not hesitate to resolve such issues.

        Tatyana, then the Turks will push propaganda to the limit and go into Syria under a drum battle, and Assad will have nothing to oppose them .. hi
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        5. Tatyana
          Tatyana 11 December 2015 13: 31
          +1
          afdjhbn67 (2)
          Quote: Tatiana
          Only the Syrians should not hesitate to resolve such issues.
          Tatyana, then the Turks will push propaganda to the limit and go into Syria under a drum battle, and Assad will have nothing to oppose them ..

          First, if the Syrians continue to allow themselves to be bombed, then Assad will EXACTLY (!) Respond to the Turks and the American coalition with historical inevitability. The Americans will never stop their "accidental" bombing - they flew to Syria for this.
          Secondly. And what prevents Russia and Syria from intensifying its propaganda? Why do we, Russia, pay less attention to the information war, as such, and its possibilities for victory, than our opponents? In such cases, the propaganda plan needs to act immediately and assertively. And in this case, it is necessary, first of all, to abandon the stupidest illusions about even the slightest naivete of the enemy and call everything everywhere by their proper names. Well, for example.
          For the second time, the US Air Force allegedly "mistakenly" bombed the Syrian armed forces. This is enough to declare the United States an aggressor against Syria. And not just to announce, but to go bankrupt all over the world - to make a scandal - and hang labels on the enemy. The country's political reputation on the world stage is worth a lot.
          Dear afdjhbn67 (2)! In another article, I partially commented on this issue. Just repeating it again.
          The name itself, the American Coalition Against ISIS, is Machiavellian.
          The American Machiavellian strategists by this name simply hypnotically cover their true intentions and goals in Syria in the eyes of the world community, which allows the United States not only to untie its hands on the BV and oppose the Syrian armed forces, despite the Assad’s assistance from Russia, but also gain time in the eyes of the world community as a supposedly “fair international peacekeeper”. While the peoples and the world community, in the course of the divergence in practice of dealing with the United States, will figure out what's what, the United States hopes that they will be able to smash the Syrian armed forces like an elephant in a china shop.
          Therefore, it is necessary in the media to actively speak out also against the very name “American coalition against ISIS” - rename it to “American coalition in defense of DIASH”. It is necessary and important to call a spade a spade.
        6. Tatyana
          Tatyana 11 December 2015 13: 31
          0
          afdjhbn67 (2)
          Quote: Tatiana
          Only the Syrians should not hesitate to resolve such issues.
          Tatyana, then the Turks will push propaganda to the limit and go into Syria under a drum battle, and Assad will have nothing to oppose them ..

          First, if the Syrians continue to allow themselves to be bombed, then Assad will EXACTLY (!) Respond to the Turks and the American coalition with historical inevitability. The Americans will never stop their "accidental" bombing - they flew to Syria for this.
          Secondly. And what prevents Russia and Syria from intensifying its propaganda? Why do we, Russia, pay less attention to the information war, as such, and its possibilities for victory, than our opponents? In such cases, the propaganda plan needs to act immediately and assertively. And in this case, it is necessary, first of all, to abandon the stupidest illusions about even the slightest naivete of the enemy and call everything everywhere by their proper names. Well, for example.
          For the second time, the US Air Force allegedly "mistakenly" bombed the Syrian armed forces. This is enough to declare the United States an aggressor against Syria. And not just to announce, but to go bankrupt all over the world - to make a scandal - and hang labels on the enemy. The country's political reputation on the world stage is worth a lot.
          Dear afdjhbn67 (2)! In another article, I partially commented on this issue. Just repeating it again.
          The name itself, the American Coalition Against ISIS, is Machiavellian.
          The American Machiavellian strategists by this name simply hypnotically cover their true intentions and goals in Syria in the eyes of the world community, which allows the United States not only to untie its hands on the BV and oppose the Syrian armed forces, despite the Assad’s assistance from Russia, but also gain time in the eyes of the world community as a supposedly “fair international peacekeeper”. While the peoples and the world community, in the course of the divergence in practice of dealing with the United States, will figure out what's what, the United States hopes that they will be able to smash the Syrian armed forces like an elephant in a china shop.
          Therefore, it is necessary in the media to actively speak out also against the very name “American coalition against ISIS” - rename it to “American coalition in defense of DIASH”. It is necessary and important to call a spade a spade.
        7. Tatyana
          Tatyana 11 December 2015 13: 38
          0
          afdjhbn67 (2)
          Tatyana, then the Turks will push propaganda to the limit and go into Syria under a drum battle, and Assad will have nothing to oppose them ..

          Firstly, if the Syrians continue to allow themselves to be bombed, then Assad will EXACTLY (!) Respond to the Turks and the American coalition with a historical inevitability. The Americans will never stop their "accidental" bombing - they flew to Syria for this.
          Secondly. And what prevents Russia and Syria from intensifying its propaganda? Why do we, Russia, pay less attention to the information war, as such, and its possibilities for victory, than our opponents? In such cases, the propaganda plan needs to act immediately and assertively. And in this case, it is necessary, first of all, to abandon the stupidest illusions about even the slightest naivete of the enemy and call everything everywhere by their proper names. Well, for example.
          For the second time, the US Air Force allegedly "mistakenly" bombed the Syrian armed forces. This is enough to declare the United States an aggressor against Syria. And not just to announce, but to go bankrupt all over the world - to make a scandal - and hang labels on the enemy. The country's political reputation on the world stage is worth a lot.
          Dear afdjhbn67 (2)! In another article, I partially commented on this issue. Just repeating it again.
          The name itself, the American Coalition Against ISIS, is Machiavellian.
          The American Machiavellian strategists by this name simply hypnotically cover their true intentions and goals in Syria in the eyes of the world community, which allows the United States not only to untie its hands on the BV and oppose the Syrian armed forces, despite the Assad’s assistance from Russia, but also gain time in the eyes of the world community as a supposedly “fair international peacekeeper”. While the peoples and the world community, in the course of the divergence in practice of dealing with the United States, will figure out what's what, the United States hopes that they will be able to smash the Syrian armed forces like an elephant in a china shop.
          Therefore, it is necessary in the media to actively speak out also against the very name “American coalition against ISIS” - rename it to “American coalition in defense of DIASH”. It is necessary and important to call a spade a spade.
  7. LPD17
    LPD17 11 December 2015 08: 51
    11
    Of course they won’t get knocked back. Not Stalinist tea. Yes, and the accounts in the local currencies and banks. And the children study there. But they will show us about the successful bombardment of hundreds and thousands of objects of barmaley. The main thing is that they themselves know that they have so much destroyed. They don’t run after all.
    This is not 53 years old. When their scout was shot down in response to our passenger side, as they wrote in a note a day ago.
    And we will be pleased with counter-sanctions and higher prices in the store, while cutting salaries, cuts, and freezing pensions.
    ? ... all the minuses I catch ...
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 08: 55
      +2
      Quote: LPD17
      But they will show us about the successful bombardment of hundreds and thousands of objects of barmaley. The main thing is that they themselves know that they have so much destroyed. They don’t run after all.

      good a particularly good moment .. Our motto is "Each camel has a bomb" ...
      And if even Putin with the land contingent is not brought down, Assad will not save, the bill will go for days, not months, as it is now .. the end of Assad’s term ..
    2. sober
      sober 11 December 2015 09: 22
      +1
      everything on business ++
    3. sisa29
      sisa29 11 December 2015 10: 55
      +2
      We would have to survive the World Cup. Only at the stadiums planned about 100 billion.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 December 2015 08: 52
    +6
    Syria is a sovereign state with the same rights as other UN member countries.

    And isn’t this what the United States ultimately achieves, given Erdogan’s personal qualities. To bring the conflict in Syria to the armed confrontation between Russia and Turkey. The United States, as always, is aloof, but the truth is with the right to stand up for a member of NATO.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 10: 12
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Isn't this what the United States ultimately seeks

      Definitely, Putin didn’t succeed with this topic with Ukraine, they found Temko far away ..
      And according to all the laws of the genre, one must wait as the war in Syria intensifies - the escalation of the conflict in Ukraine, all the more there everything is ready - only the team is needed from Washington ..
  9. lunoxod
    lunoxod 11 December 2015 08: 53
    +9
    The bombardment of Assad’s troops was only bombed. It's time to drop 2-3 years old.
  10. Aleksander
    Aleksander 11 December 2015 08: 58
    12
    Well, what right is he talking about? It collapsed in 1991, when the West instantly recognized Slovenia, Croatia, etc., contrary to the Helsinki Agreement on the inviolability of borders. Further, everything went on increasing - Iraq, Kosovo, etc.
    Today, there is only one international law of the strong. And it, alas, is not in Syria and Russia. Western reptiles were stopped only by the fear of an inevitable answer. After NO response to Su 24, fear disappeared. Trying to avoid conflicts and victims, Russia did not respond, thereby opening the gateways for much greater victims and conflicts, IMHO ...
  11. cergey51046
    cergey51046 11 December 2015 08: 58
    +7
    Syria could bring down uninvited guests before.
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 11 December 2015 09: 18
      +5
      A very tricky situation is obtained with the statement of this Negroid Obama. On the one hand, he approved that Turkey shot down the Su-24. And yes, it turns out based on the words of this President of the United States that Syria itself can be shot down "terrorist coalition"That's right, but think for yourself what will start: NATO will get into the war in Syria up to its ears, Saudi Arabia and Qatar will most likely catch up there. And there may begin such a "notion" that the devils in hell will be jealous. this hellish disco and the beneficiary - rightly the usa.
      So the situation in Syria is very complicated and everyone understands the consequences of a careless move. Russia needs to be trickier than everyone and it’s very difficult at times for anyone to do this, sometimes cynical.
    2. Belarus
      Belarus 11 December 2015 09: 18
      0
      A very tricky situation is obtained with the statement of this Negroid Obama. On the one hand, he approved that Turkey shot down the Su-24. And yes, it turns out based on the words of this President of the United States that Syria itself can be shot down "terrorist coalition"That's right, but think for yourself what will start: NATO will get into the war in Syria up to its ears, Saudi Arabia and Qatar will most likely catch up there. And there may begin such a "notion" that the devils in hell will be jealous. this hellish disco and the beneficiary - rightly the usa.
      So the situation in Syria is very complicated and everyone understands the consequences of a careless move. Russia needs to be trickier than everyone and it’s very difficult at times for anyone to do this, sometimes cynical.
  12. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 11 December 2015 09: 02
    +5
    This was understandable even before Cunningham said obvious things.
    Only for some reason, Syria did not bother to defend its sky, although this had to be done immediately after the SU-24 and certainly after the first American bombing of the Syrian army.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 11 December 2015 09: 05
      +4
      Quote: Al_oriso
      Only for some reason, Syria did not bother to protect its sky

      And there remains what to protect? When it was so F-4 failed
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 December 2015 09: 12
      +5
      This article is provocative, they will bring down a NATO plane - such a howl will rise - Mama Do not Cry! And the answers will roll, and this is drawing into a direct conflict between Russia and NATO.
  13. Bluesman
    Bluesman 11 December 2015 09: 04
    +2
    Quote: Lesovik
    It is unlikely that Syria will decide to destroy NATO aircraft ... The Syrians are now in the wrong position to act in this way.

    the author just theorizes. And what in the current situation, when Assad controls a fifth of the country's territory, consider it airspace? If, say, a NATO bomber appears over Raqqa or Idlib?
  14. McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod 11 December 2015 09: 09
    0
    It’s not necessary to shoot down. It’s enough to illuminate with the S-300 radar and the planes will take off
  15. Belarus
    Belarus 11 December 2015 09: 10
    +5
    If the S-300 systems are officially handed over to Syria, only one thing will make them think.


    That is the whole essence of the problem, precisely if the Russian Federation transfers these complexes.
    But here the interests of Israel cling to it, which says that Syria will be able to bring down their planes and therefore Israel is categorically against the transfer of air defense systems to Syria, and besides S-300 or S-400.
    So it’s not so simple here. I myself am sometimes surprised that Israel is cooperating even with those who, to put it mildly, do not really like them.
  16. uskrabut
    uskrabut 11 December 2015 09: 17
    +2
    America needs to be reminded of Vietnam. There they also hobbled, until one fine day they filled up a dozen other of their sides. Well, to save face, you need to declare a no-fly zone. We announced that you arrived, you were shot down. Who is to blame for you? Warned Well!
  17. individual
    individual 11 December 2015 09: 18
    +1
    Under the blows of ISIS and internal opposition, the Iraqi and Syrian authorities are demoralized.
    Look at the reaction of Iraq to the arrogant invasion of the Turks ...
    Look at the blatant "mistakes" of Western aviation in Syria ...
    They cannot do anything.
    They threaten sanctions and appeal to the UN.
    And there, who cooks porridge?
    States, NATO and their re-singers.
    Therefore, they look with hope at Russia.
  18. Svetovod
    Svetovod 11 December 2015 09: 22
    +1
    Practice shows that Turkey can shoot down any aircraft, even NATO ones. And the USA fellows — they dug a hole for us and sit in it. Cold, wet and not comfortable? Well, who dug the one and got it.

    I think everyone vkurse that cif do what they want, and then select "pleasing reasons" for it? Concussed them with this unipolarity, doubles in their brains.
  19. Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 11 December 2015 09: 35
    0
    Syria can shoot down any NATO aircraft


    Can. But it will not.
  20. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 11 December 2015 09: 41
    +1
    Along the way, there soon everyone will fight against everyone, and bring down everything that flies and moves.
    The mattresses deliberately bring the situation to the point of absurdity, when no one can make out where the ally is, and where is the enemy, where is the terrorist and where is the "rebel".
    All kinds of blocs and alliances will be created, a truce will be initiated and provocations will be carried out to violate them, but the most important thing is that this process will be supported by the Americans for as long as possible, with the goal of weakening their political opponents economically.
    It is time to wake up the Yellowstone volcano and cover the mattresses with a multi-meter layer of ash.
    Until America itself befalls the punishment of the Lord, there will be no peace on earth.
  21. nrex
    nrex 11 December 2015 09: 44
    +1
    That there would be no confusion regarding the legality of the air defense of the Syrian army and the Russian, I propose that all Russian complexes C300 and C400 be transferred under the jurisdiction of the Syrian state on an emergency rental basis with Russian service personnel. And then we'll see!
  22. veksha50
    veksha50 11 December 2015 09: 48
    +4
    "Syria can shoot down any NATO aircraft"...

    The question is: why doesn't it do this when the planes of the "coalition" openly storm the positions of the Syrian government forces and destroy the personnel ???

    To say and speak is not to do and do ...

    PS Another very disgusting and malicious question is not known to whom: if they stormed the Syrians on their territory (by "mistake"), then they were over the territories belonging to the Assad government and occupied by his troops ... That is, the question arises that Amers openly operated on the territory of competence of the Russian Aerospace Forces group ... Well, and, most likely, in the S-400 affected area ...

    Yes, it seems that there was no direct attack on our base and our planes, the Syrians were bombed, but bad doubts torment my soul ...

    What kind of mess and bacchanalia is going on there ??? And, unfortunately, the devil monkey-nosed there rules the ball ...
    1. qwaigon
      qwaigon 11 December 2015 10: 25
      +2
      Before writing something to the card, is it difficult to see what? Where is Deir ez zor and where is Latakia with the S-400. Deir ez Zor is Assad's farthest outpost in Syria (on the border of the S-400's reach, and then if he is there with a long-range missile). Surrounded on all sides. Therefore, "fagots" act without fear of response. In terms of military potential, we are far from the USSR, to fight with 30 NATO countries, the Saudis, Qatar and other forges ... except for "vigorous loaf"
  23. rudik
    rudik 11 December 2015 09: 48
    +2
    What the pi .... eat that. First hit then write. And then all the current language is much.
  24. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 11 December 2015 09: 48
    0
    And now, make allowance for the selectivity and dyatilism of the elect ...
  25. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 11 December 2015 09: 50
    +2
    The Israeli Air Force did not begin to attack a Russian plane flying into the territory, so as not to deprive the Russians of a third resort in two weeks.
  26. Snail N9
    Snail N9 11 December 2015 10: 04
    -4
    Well, how many times do I have to say that Assad's government has long been officially recognized by the US and its European mongrels as "NONLIGITIVE", that is, in the West, until very recently, it was not ISIS-Daesh militants who were officially considered "terrorists", but Assad and his army! All the militants fighting against Assad in the west were considered the "opposition" fighting against the "tyrant" and "usurper" Assad. Representatives of the militants of whom you can see in the well-known photograph, where they are sitting together with the US Secretary of State and the odious Senator McCain, were just recognized as the "legitimate" "transitional" government. Assad's "non-legitimate" government, according to the West, is not a government at all, and there is absolutely no reason for them to reckon with it - for them it simply does not exist. You probably already forgot, but when the United States began an air operation in Syria, they quite openly stated that any hostile actions by Assad and his army against the United States and its allies' aviation over Syrian territory would automatically be a declaration of war between the United States and NATO and would immediately call retaliatory actions. That is why Syria "silently" wipes away "bloody tears" after another "miss" by the coalition forces and does nothing, although it could have knocked down these "missed" long ago. The downing of US or NATO planes is the beginning of a full-scale air war and the automatic introduction of ground forces of these states into Syria, and what next? Russia, Assad, Iran on one side and the US, NATO and the Saudis on the other? Isn't this the beginning of the Third World War? A question to the "hurray-patriots" all over here "waving swords" calling to shoot down NATO planes: do you want this? Do you want Russia to get involved in a war with the US and NATO on the side of Syria? And if not this, then what?
  27. BOB044
    BOB044 11 December 2015 10: 07
    +2
    When the S-300 or S-400 enters Syrian air defense and will be in service with Syria. Then I think those who fly without permission over the territory of Syria will think about it.
  28. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 11 December 2015 10: 11
    +2
    By and large, that would have to be done, because NATO is simply being outraged there. Well, if they somehow helped, or else they are openly dirty. Even after the first dirty trick and the absence of an apology and preventing such an approach, you can shoot down their planes.
  29. OlegV
    OlegV 11 December 2015 10: 12
    -1
    ..... Turkey defended its borders and acted within the legal framework, writes US analyst Finnian Cunningham in an article for the Sputnik agency.

    shcha, wait a little, they will decrypt the data from the "black box" of the downed Su-24, then we'll see, "who came, why came ...."
    1. jovanni
      jovanni 11 December 2015 11: 18
      +2
      Yes all these transcripts are fucked! Remember that Eustace wrote to Alex there ... Fuck because
      "..... Turkey defended its borders and acted within the legal framework, writes ..."
      And this is not an analyst writing, but a whole Nata. She harnessed herself to the Turks right away, and now sit down encrypt - decrypt ... Missed. It was necessary .. Ah! yes what there! We are all backward strong ...
  30. Tai
    Tai 11 December 2015 10: 31
    +1
    Cool Hotheads, plow strategists! Well, we'll give Syria a 300, but let it be at least 400, so what? How many will we put them there? Division? Two? And 3-5, even 10 cars for NATO, this is nonsense! If they are shot down, believe me, they, "loving" Assad and caring about democracy, will immediately remember their fives and other amendments and put in so many cruise missiles that there will be no trace of these complexes! Well, they will shoot down a dozen in the first salvo Do you think they will be given time to recharge? So C300 is not a panacea for the Syrian issue ...
  31. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 11 December 2015 10: 42
    +1
    Everything is theoretically true. Russia has the right to shoot down both Turkish and American planes if they violated the airspace of Russia for at least one second - Obama said so. And in Syria also, but, I think, with Assad’s sanction.

    Practically - hardly. Amer, who accidentally bomb Assad - do not shoot down.
  32. gergi
    gergi 11 December 2015 11: 22
    +1
    Syrians need to fly in and bomb the terrorists in jus itself. To help the arrogant allies in their fight against local daish.
  33. urapatriot
    urapatriot 11 December 2015 11: 26
    0
    "The Syrian Armed Forces have every right to shoot down any aircraft over their territory, which they see fit ..."
    "Right" that is, but the will to realize this "right" - no.
  34. Yugan Oleg
    Yugan Oleg 11 December 2015 11: 37
    +1
    The Syrian side should begin to shoot down unidentified drones - there will be no victims (they are unmanned), but a demonstration of serious intentions is quite. Appeared over the territory occupied by the Syrian army-shoot down. Put them SAM, s-300 or s-400 will be greasy of course, but the type of wasp is quite.
  35. Spike
    Spike 11 December 2015 11: 48
    0
    So I thought about the same thing. AND let Obama jump like a ruff in a pan! It is only necessary for him more often to poke him in the black hat with his own words ...[/ quote] Yes, at least nassa into his eyes, all God's dew. Okut what scum are in power in some countries am
  36. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 11 December 2015 11: 50
    +2
    Oh how all-encompassed is the war in Syria. Fucking Coalition got it all wrong.
  37. radogost
    radogost 11 December 2015 12: 09
    0
    These bastards recognize only power .. GIVE ASSADU S-400 soldier
  38. Berg berg
    Berg berg 11 December 2015 12: 16
    +1
    And everything will decide, as always, that in Vietnam and in Syria, the hero Li-Xi Tsyn!
  39. tomcat117
    tomcat117 11 December 2015 12: 19
    +2
    It is necessary to carry out a multi-step:
    1. Our cover their fliers and airfields + Syrian air defense.
    2. But the Syrian air defense without a twinge of conscience knocks down all the annoying and lost Gadenyshes.
  40. Xapoh
    Xapoh 11 December 2015 12: 48
    +1
    The most interesting thing is that if Assad knocked down the coalition plane over the territory of Syria, they immediately yelled about Assad's attack on the coalition that is "at war" with ISIS, although they are over the territory of the SOUTHERN state ILLEGALLY, did the Syrians call them there? Peacekeepers are bad. By the way, a coalition led by mattresses will never fight ISIS, the answer is simple - to fight ISIS means to damage your economy. The harm is that the supply of cheap oil will stop, and this is not economically profitable for the Gay Europeans and Uncle Sam. After all, it was repeatedly said that they all buy this oil with pleasure.
  41. OlegV
    OlegV 11 December 2015 13: 05
    +1
    A pair of Turkish fighters waited for a Russian bomber and patrolled at an unusually low altitude, then ambushed the Su-24. Well-known US military analyst Pierre Spray expressed this opinion for Harper's magazine, TASS reports.
    According to the analyst, the analysis of the timelines of the incident, which were provided by the parties, indicates a clearly unusual patrol of the Turkish-Syrian border by F-16 fighters.

    “Looking at the detailed Russian timeline of what happened and at the much less detailed Turkish radar maps, I would say that the available evidence is very strong evidence that the Turks were ambushing. They certainly didn’t do anything to indicate routine air patrolling. borders "- noted the specialist.

    Spray sees the picture of what happened as follows. Turkish fighters, possessing data on the planned departures of Russian bombers, took to the air in advance and, hiding from the radars, barraged for almost 75 minutes at a very low altitude, waiting for a Russian plane. After the first call, the Russian bomber went on a long U-turn, lasting at least 7 minutes, during which there could be a short-term intersection of Turkish airspace, but no more than 17 seconds, the expert notes. The attack of the Russian Su-24 took place over Syrian territory and this was done without warning from the fighters, says Spray. If such warnings were given, then only from ground monitoring stations, the expert notes.

    “All this taken together - the low and fuel-intensive loitering altitude of the F-16 fighters, the 'miraculous' coincidence in time with the arrival of Russian planes and the fact that they did not even chase the plane immediately after the alleged violation - very much looks like a pre-planned operation, the Turks allowed the Russian plane to strike at the target and go for a long, 7-8-minute turn for a new attack. Only after that they left their hidden position at a low altitude, climbed a little higher to a height convenient for shelling, hit on the Su-24M, dived under the radar's threshold of view, entering the Syrian airspace, and flew back to their base, "the American expert said in detail.


    http://x-true.info/29603-ekspert-iz-ssha-tureckie-f-16-nanosili-udar-po-su-24-iz
    -zasady.html
  42. pavelty
    pavelty 11 December 2015 13: 09
    +1
    So what? Comrade Cunningham outlined everything clearly ... + to him
  43. From Samara
    From Samara 11 December 2015 13: 16
    +2
    So far, Russia That even in Syria is not ready for a full-fledged confrontation ... and the S-400 is not a panacea at all, there will not be enough of one complex, and there will be problems with surface ships, the cruiser Moscow is old ...

    And Syria ...
  44. epsilon571
    epsilon571 11 December 2015 14: 25
    +2
    The situation in Syria is tense to the limit, but as the saying goes: "If you take a tug, do not say that he is hefty." And our country is perhaps one of many who do not throw their words to the wind. Already the first months have shown the effectiveness of our intervention, they are counted in dozens of burning fuel trucks, broken fortifications and terrorist training centers. There are also losses - a treacherous shot from the Turkish side at the SU-24. This shot took the lives of our pilots, strained relations between the two countries, and most importantly, put us face to face with the US-led coalition. Such situations at any moment can develop into a real war, a war of survival, and here the question arises - will we have enough strength? Let us descend from the sky and look at our economic situation. A significant part of the Russian population now finds itself below the poverty line, but the worst thing is that it is also a line of physical survival. In these conditions, the state needs to support large families, pensioners, children and other most vulnerable groups of the population. Otherwise, a rampant crime will begin, or, even worse, people will begin to die of hunger. Of course, I could be wrong, but there is no real information today, or at least it is not available to everyone. Now let's talk about our costs. War is not a cheap business, everyone knows it, dig deeper here in the internet and found information that was disappointing for myself:

    “A number of Western journalists received information from informed sources in the Russian defense industry, which indicate the fact that in 2016 Russia plans to spend $ 3 billion on an operation in Syria. This amount did not arise from scratch, but was the result of lengthy calculations, albeit approximate. It also became known that initially the Russian authorities planned to send about $ 1,2 billion for an operation in Syria. But, as explained by the staff of the Royal Joint Institute for Defense Research in London, after the Su-24 was shot down, it is customary to sharply increase costs, up to three billion dollars. ”


    I wrote all this not to scare anyone, but to make it clear to everyone - our enemies will not stop there! Russia will not have easy times, everyone will get it, both the right and the left, and even those who consider themselves out of work. Today, as never before, the consolidation of society is required, and a truly verified economic policy, a policy that may entail a complete mobilization and abandonment of liberal illusions. I think that Mr. Putin is an intelligent person, let him start, but it doesn't rust behind us - "The undead are rich, we won't even start!"
  45. March
    March 11 December 2015 14: 26
    +2
    It is a pity that the planes that bombed the Syrian base did not fill up!
  46. kit-kat
    kit-kat 11 December 2015 15: 45
    +1
    If the words of analysts had at least some meaning, the world would have long been different.
  47. pomor23
    pomor23 11 December 2015 17: 25
    +1
    We will threaten the hotel, we will bend NATO and Erdogan !!!
  48. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 11 December 2015 17: 51
    +1
    “If the Syrian government of President Bashar Assad, which, by the way, is recognized by the international community and retains its position in the UN, does not agree with foreign military intervention, then the intervention is simply illegal,” Cunningham concludes.

    Such words never stopped the bombing of the United States, but perhaps the S-300 and S-400 can do it!

    As the saying goes: "A good word and weapon can achieve much more than just a kind word" *)
  49. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 11 December 2015 17: 52
    +1
    “If the Syrian government of President Bashar Assad, which, by the way, is recognized by the international community and retains its position in the UN, does not agree with foreign military intervention, then the intervention is simply illegal,” Cunningham concludes.

    Such words never stopped the bombing of the United States, but perhaps the S-300 and S-400 can do it!

    As the saying goes: "A good word and weapon can achieve much more than just a kind word" *)
  50. BRDM2M
    BRDM2M 11 December 2015 18: 10
    +2
    And why the Russian complex cannot bring down a coalition plane? Or are you overgrown with fat there? I live in New Russia, took part in operations at the Lugansk airport and in the vicinity of Debaltseve. Or do you all think that this is not your war?