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Oil and IG: Russian revelations do not interest the French press (Agora Vox, France)

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This news circled the whole world. After Turkey destroyed the Russian aircraft, Moscow responded by disclosing the role of Ankara in laundering Syrian oil smuggled by the IG. Satellite images provided by the Russian side demonstrate columns of fuel tankers going to the Turkish border. This traffic, which is believed in The Financial Times, brings the Islamists more than a million dollars a day, was actively discussed in the international press, but caused only an awkward silence in France.

Much has been written about the Russian revelations in the international press, which has devoted to this information large articles with maps and satellite photos. We offer you a few passages:

"Representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Russia announced satellite images with columns of gasoline tank trucks, which are supposed to transport oil from the IG oil production installations in Syria across the Turkish border" (The Independent).

“Russia accuses Erdogan of oil deals with IG. Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov said that Turkey is the main buyer of the oil stolen from Syria and Iraq ”(Air Force).

"Russia has accused the family of the Turkish president of involvement in the illegal trade in oil with the IG, which brings the terrorists millions of dollars" (The Daily Mail).

"The Russian military unveiled satellite imagery, which, according to them, depicts columns of tank trucks carrying oil from IG facilities in Syria and Iraq across the Turkish border" (NBC News).

"Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his family are directly involved in the illegal oil trade with the Islamic state, said Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov. (...) From the beginning of the intervention, the Russian aviation destroyed 32 oil complexes, 11 refineries, 23 wells and 1080 fuel trucks, he listed, showing maps in a huge hall, where more than 300 journalists gathered. According to him, thanks to these blows, Moscow managed to halve the annual turnover of the IG oil sector: from $ 3 billion to 1,5 billion ”(Le Temps).

Oil and IG: Russian revelations do not interest the French press (Agora Vox, France)


Turmoil in france

However, this information wave did not affect one country. This is about France. A quick search in the French press speaks of an extremely small number of articles on this topic and even the availability of materials that are trying to launch a counter.

France Info's bad faith (this is when the organization is owned by merchants weapons) is very revealing. The article entitled “IG oil causes tension between Turkey and Russia” actually puts the criminal and his whistleblower on the same level. In the subtitle, the reader is immediately notified that "Washington, for its part, categorically denies the claims of Russia." In other words, there is no reason to believe Moscow. France Info further notes that “on Wednesday, Russia switched to personal attacks on the Turkish president.” That is, he is certainly innocent, and all this can only be "personal attacks." Finally, in the middle of the article, after a heap of various pirouettes, France Info reports the essence of the news: “Turkey is the main consumer of this oil stolen from the legitimate owners of Syria and Iraq,” Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov told a group of several hundred journalists on Wednesday. In other words, if the Anglo-Saxon (and Swiss) press publishes detailed articles with photos and maps, France Info reduces Russian disclosures to just one phrase. Show less enthusiasm, probably not at all possible.

Le Figaro, in turn, issued only a brief note, which does not contain Russian information, but Washington’s denials: “Today, the United States has categorically denied the accusations of Moscow.” Etc. etc. Because Turkey is innocent (although it shot down a Russian plane in violation of international laws and regulations, despite the fact that it stayed in its territory for only 17 seconds) ...

The participation of France in the war against Syria perfectly explains the confusion of our media. Turkey’s operational role in supporting the Syrian uprising is too well known to in any reasonable way deny its cooperation with the IG on oil. Russia is now trying to cut the umbilical cord.

To deceive the masses, to calm the elite

The major press (including in France) mostly wrote about the support of the North Atlantic Alliance and its allies (Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc.) of the Syrian insurgents in general and the Islamists in particular (they play the leading role in the armed uprising) . Therefore, the French discrepancies noted by us will be only temporary. Some will rejoice over this, the courage of journalists, the way the press, even in the current tense time, lets the studs of political and military power, or even puts its actions into question. But by doing so, they only sign in their naivety.

The audience of the major press is the highest socio-professional circles. This message is addressed to them: “No, the West is not going to retreat under the pressure of the Muslim world. On the contrary, we attack it. We keep events under control. You need to continue to invest money, because if we win, our arms, construction and energy corporations will receive a considerable profit. As you can see, your investment is in good hands. ” Indeed, mass media, that is, radio and, above all, television, draw to the audience a world in which there is only good and bad. To deceive the masses (in order to make them obedient) and calm the elite - this glass ceiling cannot be broken through.
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  1. kebeskin
    kebeskin 12 December 2015 06: 18
    +1
    And what else do you want from these European governments. Until they really hurt them, they will look like a ram at a new gate. Such information wars.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2015 06: 34
      14
      Quote: kebeskin
      Such information wars.
      1. kebeskin
        kebeskin 12 December 2015 08: 01
        +1
        These are signs of an information war against Russia from our homeland itself.
        Europe, like many hundreds of years ago, makes of us some barbarians and will do.
        (Examples of caricatures of Suvorov, as described by the Russian army when before the capture of Paris, etc.). The list proposed by you is by no means complete.
        1. Sid.74
          12 December 2015 08: 12
          13
          Well, what is there to understand something ... laughing
          1. Sid.74
            12 December 2015 09: 00
            +4
            It should be understood that in France the entire ruling elite is financed by the sheikhs from the SA, which is why Libya was destroyed, by the hands of the French, for Libya was a direct competitor to the SA.
            I think Qatar is also there, and they, along with the SA, are this notorious Alcaida wallet and the IG.
            Terror has long become an instrument of political control for the recalcitrant. Everything is just a tool. The West has created and armed Alkaida and the IG, Boko Haram in Africa.
            The gunmen are only cannon fodder, and beneficiaries live peacefully and cloudlessly in New York, in Riyadh, Ankara, Doha, London and Paris, and of course in Israel.
            And Al Kopone was right to say: “Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class.”
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 12 December 2015 06: 20
    +9
    Why make a fire, the French are afraid, and then suddenly it becomes clear involvement in the purchase of IG oil.
    1. udincev
      udincev 12 December 2015 06: 27
      +2
      Quote: Teberii
      Why make a fire, the French are afraid, and then suddenly it becomes clear involvement in the purchase of IG oil.

      And probably for good reason.
      Otherwise why "be afraid to inflate"?
    2. meriem1
      meriem1 12 December 2015 07: 29
      +2
      Quote: Teberii
      Why make a fire, the French are afraid, and then suddenly it becomes clear involvement in the purchase of IG oil.


      But do not inflate! The question must be raised whether we are Allies or not! If not, then let them drive their trough back home !!! Union cannot be half-hearted. Both yours and ours !. There is a reason and opportunity to teach a lesson!
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 12 December 2015 07: 48
        0
        The Allies do not impose sanctions, do not make political statements in support of those who are raving on the Maidan, do not stab with ships, do not perform Poroshenko’s cartridges on par with Merkel. Yes, and generally are not members of NATO.
        Quote: meriem1
        If not, then let them drive their trough back home !!!
        But how do you get them out? They don’t push them out in neutral waters. Yes, and we have already agreed on the division of zones of influence (for the safety of them and our pilots, as if the IS has aviation). You won’t do this directly in politics. they say that a diplomat is a politician with a forked tongue like a snake.
  3. tanit
    tanit 12 December 2015 06: 23
    +2
    The French are, perhaps, only Marie and her niece, and the few that are for them. And the rest is the "electorate".
    "but the herd does not care, the herd was eaten with Mr. .." (c)
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 12 December 2015 13: 11
      0
      Marie says the right things until she is elected, then the rhetoric will change dramatically, France is very strongly tied to the United States and the Arab monarchies, she will simply not be allowed to officially "think" otherwise.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 December 2015 06: 24
    +5
    The terror of the French taught nothing.
    And what, will we pity them again? Yes, let them even have everyone!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2015 06: 48
      +9
      Quote: aszzz888
      The terror of the French taught nothing.

      And what does the terrorist attack have to do with it? As many have written, France will now bomb ISIS with us. I then wrote, do not expect love from a whore.
      All this campaign against ISIS (by the way, what’s the bombing of the French recently?) Sending an aircraft carrier is Oland’s move to raise his rating, which he has below the baseboard.
      1. tanit
        tanit 12 December 2015 07: 02
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what does the terrorist attack have to do with it? As many have written, France will now bomb ISIS with us. I then wrote, do not expect love from a whore.
        All this campaign against ISIS (by the way, what’s the bombing of the French recently?) Sending an aircraft carrier is Oland’s move to raise his rating, which he has below the baseboard.

        Hmm, and closer to the elections, there is also a slogan for the unclean (I'm sure that Marie will not allow this to her) opposition will go - Oland started it all himself (I'm talking about dead people).
        Alexander, for once, Oland tries to be president ... An attempt (albeit pathetic) - though a drop of respect - but worthy. soldier
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 12 December 2015 07: 27
          +2
          Quote: tanit
          .An attempt (albeit pathetic) - though a drop of respect - but worthy

          That's exactly what a pathetic attempt and not a bit of respect for her. On the contrary. Oland in the light of this attempt to respond to terror has become an even more worthless little man.
          1. tanit
            tanit 12 December 2015 07: 59
            +1
            Quote: EvgNik
            That's exactly what a pathetic attempt and not a bit of respect for her. On the contrary. Oland in the light of this attempt to respond to terror has become an even more worthless little man.

            But let me disagree. Of course, it’s a little man (probably, you probably know best) insignificant.
            And here is how the president answered - quite like a person.
            Sincerely.
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 12 December 2015 07: 47
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        ... the premise of an aircraft carrier is Holland's move to raise his rating, which he has below the baseboard.


        Hey. hi
        Well, this is unlikely to increase Hollande's rating, the jellyfish will never become a tiger. The "correct" speeches of Marie Le Pen, Sarkozy and other persons in a hurry to stake out on the electoral field, this is a temporary concussion of the air. As soon as one of them comes to the throne, the "vassal's law" immediately comes into effect. De Gaulle was the only exception, but he was muzzled too. stop
    2. perm23
      perm23 12 December 2015 07: 32
      +4
      No wonder the Germans at the time of signing the act of surrender were asked about the French. And these defeated us. That we run around the world and urge us to fight. They don’t need it. They need to snatch their piece and that's it. And this whore France that pity her no matter who fucks her.
  5. AKS-U
    AKS-U 12 December 2015 06: 29
    +5
    The French have already scolded in Libya. With whose money someone became the president of the country.
    And now it may turn out that the “Total” snout in the fluff.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 12 December 2015 06: 30
      0
      Quote: AKS-U
      The French have already scattered in Libya.

      The French yes, but Sarkozy no.
      1. tanit
        tanit 12 December 2015 06: 43
        +2
        It depends on how you understand the term "fucked up". Sarkozy just showed himself to be a bastard, with the addition of feces - he got sick - sorry for the nausea. hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 December 2015 07: 01
          +3
          Quote: tanit
          . Sarkozy just proved himself a reptile,

          And Oland, which is better?
          It’s like with Bush - Bush’s gone ... well, finally, he dumped this *****
          Has Obama come easier?
          1. tanit
            tanit 12 December 2015 07: 12
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov

            And Oland, which is better?

            No, too small, even in comparison, even with Sarkozy. But his dirty tricks are also petty. "Mistral", even if only 2 pieces, is not one country of Libya. And not Colonel Gaddafi. hi
          2. tomket
            tomket 12 December 2015 10: 40
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Bush left ... well, finally he dumped this *****

            Bush was more fun))) Obama is a dull type. But foreign policy has remained exactly the same. This is the paradox.
      2. Blondy
        Blondy 12 December 2015 06: 45
        +4
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: AKS-U
        The French have already scattered in Libya.
        The French yes, but Sarkozy no.


        A strange statement. As far as I remember, Gaddafi slightly financed Sarkozy's elections and reminded about it. Sarkozy did not like it, and French special forces happened in Libya, and then the seizure of the arsenal in Benghazi by "peaceful citizens" from the deposed Libyan special forces formed from the eastern tribes.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 12 December 2015 07: 08
          0
          Quote: Blondy
          A strange statement. As far as I remember, Gaddafi slightly financed Sarkozy's elections and reminded about it. Sarkozy did not like it, and French special forces happened in Libya, and then the seizure of the arsenal in Benghazi by "peaceful citizens" from the deposed Libyan special forces formed from the eastern tribes.

          Well? What "strange" did I write? The French, in the long run, and all of France, got hemorrhoids, Sarkozy removed his personal creditor and unnecessary and inconvenient witness. request
  6. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 12 December 2015 06: 30
    0
    If they have such a cesspool like Charlie feels good, then nothing surprising.
  7. bashkort
    bashkort 12 December 2015 06: 33
    +4
    I agree, they applauded the Natsik too, until Adolf Aloizych and his comrades arranged for themselves a tank ride to Paris.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 12 December 2015 06: 44
      +9
      Quote: bashkort
      until Adolf Aloizych with his comrades arranged for themselves a tank trip to Paris.

      After the occupation, they didn’t even try to make a sound. They are all the same - God or hell, if only they would not be forbidden to sit in cafes for days. There was, of course, the Resistance and Normandy-Neman, but this is a vanishingly small quantity to take into account.
      1. tanit
        tanit 12 December 2015 06: 52
        +3
        And why? Normandy-Niemen and Fighting France are all fascist non-people and crosses out. "Charlemagne of the 20th century" confirmed this. The herd that did not fight against Hitler enthusiastically accepted the one who fought.
        However, I suppose (Carthage must be destroyed) - we are waiting for Marie.
      2. kotev19
        kotev19 12 December 2015 11: 58
        +2
        ... They are all the same - God or hell, if only they were not forbidden to sit in cafes for days on end ... and look at the Germans!
  8. novobranets
    novobranets 12 December 2015 06: 37
    +4
    Buying stolen goods is considered a criminal offense everywhere. It's time to drag Edorgash to prison, but the point is different. The International Court of Justice, if at all, will not take into account the evidence provided by Russia. What can be expressed in one well-known phrase - "... who are the judges?" He washes his hand, the West, in collusion with the mattress, will not allow the trial of the accomplice, which means Russia will have to take this concern upon itself. The sanctions raised against Turkey, I think, are only the beginning. And I believe that the Turks will answer for the murder of a Russian officer.
  9. tanit
    tanit 12 December 2015 06: 40
    +5
    Dry and short. Fight when the rest of the army shows armpits. Not to recognize the surrender and, being in the rank of "colonel" - to appropriate the rank of "general". Wait for the landing of someone else's troops. And - to receive the laurels of the great victorious country. To send America. Get "Algerian Spring". To be in the memory of Soviet (and Russian) people is like a friend.
    De Gaulle Charles.
    Waiting for Le Pen Marie.
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 December 2015 08: 10
      +2
      By the way, the present-day Franks have their own Rezun dash "Suvorovs". Charles, it turns out, thwarted a brilliant plan to defeat the Nazis. The Franks lured them, lured them, surrendered for show ... And the brigade of Colonel Charles ruined everything with their stubborn (and incomprehensible to the simple then non-veteran of the First World War, a Frenchman) resistance and counterattacks. hi
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  11. Fei_Wong
    Fei_Wong 12 December 2015 06: 43
    +1
    Quote: aszzz888
    The terror of the French taught nothing.
    And what, will we pity them again? Yes, let them even have everyone!

    Well, just do not shift the rot, lack of will and venality of the political elite in France to the entire French people. Still, it is necessary to separate the peoples and governments a little. And then here and to rabid, hysterical xenophobia is not far away (which, in principle, the media and journalists on both sides of the barricades usually want to achieve, because of conjuncture). Well, the fact that serious hysteria is blowing up against us is understandable for the hedgehog. But you and I should not be like our "partners" in this aspect. It is necessary to speak in the language of reason, not emotions.
    1. Silkway0026
      Silkway0026 12 December 2015 08: 30
      +7
      What kind of people are there! You also say that "the entire French people, as one, in a single formation ... Underground ... Fight against Nazism ..." Do not be ridiculous.
      No spirit there, one thing bl @ dstvo sorry, prostitution (literally and figuratively)
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  12. yuriy55
    yuriy55 12 December 2015 06: 48
    +2
    This only proves once again that all over the world only power is respected.

    If someone doubts the French love for Russians, memories of the times of the Patriotic War of 1812 can refresh the memory.

    Russia, as a self-sufficient power, should not humiliate itself and the existence of its people with recommendations from the outside, if they carry a clear hostility or are false from the beginning.
    hi
  13. sl22277
    sl22277 12 December 2015 06: 49
    0
    It is not clear where such modesty comes from in this matter. Maybe the owners of the local media also have an economic interest. Or there are few terrorist attacks and brains will start to work when ISIS puts France on the ears ... (The opinion of ordinary Frenchmen on this matter is interesting).
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2015 07: 04
      0
      Quote: sl22277
      . Maybe the owners of the local media also have an economic interest.

      No, just when the time came, and politicians in the world understood, if you control the media, you can control everything.
    2. kotev19
      kotev19 12 December 2015 12: 09
      0
      And their today's media, like street stalls in Paris during the Second World War ... laughing

      PHOTOS: German soldiers at a street tray hi in occupied Paris.
  14. 205577
    205577 12 December 2015 06: 54
    +7
    I am amazed at how we could "lead" in the 80s and 90s to all their freedoms, values, rights, etc.
    They are telling us that we do not have freedom, democracy, that we have censorship ...
    Quite recently, one black-haired man shook a test tube at the UN, and everyone, as if on command (though why how?), Sharply considered that this was irrefutable evidence of Iraq's possession of chemical weapons. This was quite enough, because the representative of the "correct" country was shaking the test tube.
    And even if we ourselves Erodogan, under the "serum of truth" and on a lie detector, we force him to admit tenfold the financing of terrorism by Turkey (let’s tell the truth, the United States!) Of terrorism — they will either prefer not to believe or not hear.
    Here it is the face of an enlightened, independent, sovereign, teaching everyone (except the United States) how to live in Europe.
    What are you gentlemen Europeans, you are ostriches, who hid their heads from the World in the sand and think that everything is fine!
    One trouble, even though your head is in the sand, then everything else is in the REAL World, and soon this very World will sensibly "redeem" you for everything that has not hidden in the sand.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2015 07: 05
      +5
      Quote: 205577
      I am amazed at how we could "lead" in the 80s and 90s to all their freedoms, values, rights, etc.

      Magic chocolate
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 12 December 2015 07: 41
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Magic chocolate

        And gum. Not only in the mouth, but in everything else. Starting from "soap" series, films and computer games of anti-Russian orientation, advertising, ending ... I can't even say what. Everything has one goal - to wipe Russia off the face of the Earth. And France plays an important role in this.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 12 December 2015 08: 10
      +2
      Quote: 205577
      I am amazed at how we could "lead" in the 80s and 90s to all their freedoms, values, rights, etc.


      Everything is extremely simple, Pavel, look at the faces by the hands of the drivers and assessors of that time - each of them has a dollar instead of eyes. And they had no other goal, except to "snatch" and hide the commune over the hill. But do not delude yourself, some of the personalities of that time are in good health and throw their playful little hands into the communal cache, patriotically wrinkling their lips and sternly frowning - a statesman, tea, and not some kind of .... bully
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 December 2015 06: 55
    +1
    caused only an awkward silence in France.

    And no wonder. After France allegedly joined the fight against ISIS, Russia, in the voice of our president, told the military that it was necessary to cooperate as with allies. What's the bottom line? We will not share intelligence (these are the French), we will bomb whoever we deem necessary, etc. etc. After the terrorist attacks, Olanad did the main thing - he threw in the French the idea that he would be cool with terrorists in Syria and even promised to cooperate with Russia. Only it turned out to be another European zilch. Therefore, the French media are "awkwardly" silent.
  16. olf
    olf 12 December 2015 06: 56
    +2
    This was understandable after the "Charlie" was shot. The frogs gathered all the shobla and hummed to sympathize with them. After the last terrorist attacks in Paris, the premature president began to rush between Washington and Moscow as if stung. But even that doesn't cure them. Apparently you shouldn't sympathize with them, tk. it is not customary to throw pearls before pigs.
  17. olf
    olf 12 December 2015 06: 57
    0
    It's time to drag Edorgash to prison, but the point is different. The International Court of Justice, if any,
    It must be dragged to the gallows.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2015 07: 08
      +2
      Quote: olf
      The International Court of Justice, if any,

      Yeah, I imagine Hitler in 1942 accuses Mussolini of fascism. International Court of Justice what - I haven’t heard.
  18. From Samara
    From Samara 12 December 2015 07: 11
    0
    Jean Marie Le Pen will soon rule there
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 12 December 2015 07: 45
      0
      Quote: From Samara
      Jean Marie Le Pen will soon rule there

      A very dubious assumption. In my opinion, nothing shines on her.
      1. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 12 December 2015 08: 45
        +1
        Jean Marie Le Pen will soon rule there

        . In my opinion, nothing shines on her.


        A colleague, it seems Jean-Marie Le Pen - this is uncle ...
  19. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 12 December 2015 07: 16
    +4
    Quote: tanit
    Dry and short. Fight when the rest of the army shows armpits. Not to recognize the surrender and, being in the rank of "colonel" - to appropriate the rank of "general". Wait for the landing of someone else's troops. And - to receive the laurels of the great victorious country. To send America. Get "Algerian Spring". To be in the memory of Soviet (and Russian) people is like a friend.
    De Gaulle Charles.
    Waiting for Le Pen Marie.

    Tanit from France wrote everything correctly, you can add only one and essential - Get the laurels of the Great Country - the winner and become in the memory of Soviet people as a friend of De Gaulle it became possible for France only thanks to one person in the USSR - Comrade Stalin (by the way, he has a birthday soon). Everyone knows surprise German generals, when, when signing the Act of surrender in the Karlshorst suburb of Berlin, they saw a French delegation at the table. Surprise for us now is understandable, because 10 times more French fought (and served) on the side of Germany during WWII than in unnoticed and little harmful "resistances". The French police, practically in full force and zealously served the new fascist occupation power, helping to find, collect and send Jews (old people, children and women) to German crematoria from all the “fighting the enemy” “free” France. And what is most interesting, after the 44th fascist divisions were massively transferred to the eastern front and the liberation of France from the Germans, the same policemen (who had sent people to a concentration camp yesterday) continued their "difficult service" as if in nothing it happened after the war without any punishment, without even being frightened. Therefore, for such a France, which in caricatures mocks the tragic deaths of people, there is nothing and there was nothing sacred in the World.
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 December 2015 07: 29
      +2
      Quote: Andryukha G
      Tanit from France

      Maybe not "from France" but "about France"? smile
      I will continue - the French herd silently accepted Hitler, the French herd accepted Charles with delight. Tellingly, the Corsicans, De Gaully and other Joan of Arc and Charlemagne are born to the French once in a century ...
      However, I suppose (Carthage must be destroyed) - we are waiting for Marie.
  20. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 December 2015 07: 42
    +2
    It seems to me that the French left all their "passionarity" on the guillotines of the VFR and in the Napoleonic wars. "Ordinary people" were given a goal - to live their own, personal, unique life as sweetly as possible. Well, who needs to "drive the wave"? They even have the most efficient part of the army - the "Foreign Legion" consists mainly of non-Frenchmen.
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 December 2015 07: 55
      0
      "Passionarity" among the French? There was not, after the tribes of "Franks". There were individual leaders (sometimes a lot at once, but the "9th Thermidor" put the final point).
      However, I suppose (Carthage must be destroyed) - we are waiting for Marie.
    2. wicked pinnochio
      wicked pinnochio 12 December 2015 09: 39
      0
      thanks for the title comrade marshal
  21. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 12 December 2015 08: 57
    +1
    so france slave lamp and usa a kind of gin that mister asks and will do
  22. Averias
    Averias 12 December 2015 09: 04
    +3
    The fuss around oil, which ISIS allegedly does not sell to Turkey, and Turkey allegedly does not buy, is getting more and more interesting. It seems that this scheme involves all countries (oligarchic elites and the political elite) - members of the coalition (acrome of Russia). After all, judge for yourself, money is practically out of thin air. The profits are fabulous. After all, if only Turkey had a gesheft on this, then NATO and the United States would have covered up this "disgrace" long ago. How so, and share? Hence the obvious denial of the obvious by the countries of the coalition. Soft, but still cover for Turkey because of our downed plane. Nonsense in the press. Judging by the oil reserves in Syria (places under the control of ISIS), it cannot be pumped there. And here we are - Russia, .... "This is life, what if Bermuda, then those times - you can't do that (V. Vysotsky)" .... we not only confused the cards, we broke a smart scam. And where there is a lot of money, there is no room for sentimentality. What our military announced is just a small fraction. Surely the General Staff has more serious and confirmed information (addresses, passwords, attendance). So our damned "friends" fidgeted.
  23. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 12 December 2015 09: 20
    0
    France is one of the vassals of the United States that they order it and do it. Remember how the French, on the orders of their master, actively bombed Libya, and now how the IS positions in Syria are being bombed, if I may say so.
  24. Nymp
    Nymp 12 December 2015 09: 28
    0
    Here you have allies! With such allies, the enemies rest. Encourage the main financiers of Daesh and at the same time fight as if with terrorists, but this is a window dress!
  25. Olegater
    Olegater 12 December 2015 10: 30
    0
    And VVP ordered our military to treat such ghouls as allies? Yes, such allies need to be drowned in a swamp with their delicacies. Somehow there was information that the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle fell off and joined the aircraft carrier Roosevelt or whatever it was, i.e. to the m.t.r.a.s.n. And in the end, what we see - twice they attacked the SYRIAN troops, which with their last strength destroy the jackal. Nifiga herself "soyuznichki". It is interesting when they inflicted airstrikes on Syrian soldiers, they understood that they were becoming accomplices of terror. Although, I completely forgot - weighing Euro-ass is a bunch of terrorists. Smelly (because they do not wash), vile (they have to betray and sell it in filthy and rotten blood), stupid (everything they come up with or invent is a stupid thing in Russia or the USSR), greedy (where they hide badly or first spoil the example of the Middle east, and then steal the same oil).
  26. cheap trick
    cheap trick 12 December 2015 11: 11
    +1
    in America they really don’t know where Syria is, especially Ukraine! this time. second, only through several news channels they cover the events in the world. They are watched by the most persistent ones. .
  27. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 12 December 2015 11: 26
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    France is at the center of geyropa, a member of NATO.
    Turkey is also a member ...
    And what is surprising in the fact that they are not interested in compromising on an ally member?
  28. iouris
    iouris 12 December 2015 12: 32
    +1
    Oil is a weapon for the new old world order. France, Great Britain did not just get into Libya, Syria and Iraq, it was not just that Germany took 1% of refugees, but for cheap oil. In addition, these countries are our debtors. Our debtor Yanukovych was not just overthrown.
    The USA and EU cannot be partners of the Russian Federation in defeating ISIS. ISIS is cheap oil. The defeat of the Russian Federation is interested in our partners.
  29. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 12 December 2015 14: 55
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    The West has long been degraded and behaves like I hide my hut! And it only harnesses when their roast rooster as Storage bites in the ass or when the US forces it. In other cases, they have nothing to do with the drum.
  30. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 12 December 2015 18: 43
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    Russian revelations do not interest the French press
    Not only French - any press controlled by news.
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 December 2015 18: 53
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      Quote: Ajent Cho
      Not only French - any press controlled by news.

      Well, Russia is under external control, Putin is a traitor, Navalny is the same, Abramovich + Rothschild = Rockefellers forever. wassat
      By the way, VO is in the status of the press (just don’t tell anyone) wassat
      Around - Atalefs and Vatniki (Well, and Alexandra Romanov and Smirnov) laughing )
  31. Fei_Wong
    Fei_Wong 12 December 2015 19: 00
    +1
    Quote: yuriy55
    If someone doubts the French love for Russians, memories of the times of the Patriotic War of 1812 can refresh the memory.

    If someone doubts Napoleon’s initially allied intentions regarding Russia, the memories of the murder of Paul I and Napolen’s statement on this dirty trick from the Englishwoman can also refresh some people. And then it will turn out to be something new, expand your horizons, so to speak.

    Immediately after Napoleon came to power as First Consul, he decided to make friends with Russia. To do this, the cake man freed, dressed and sent home about six thousand Russian prisoners who have been gathering dust in French prisons since Suvorov’s campaign in Switzerland. Emperor Pavel appreciated this broad gesture and, since he was offended by Austria and England, he readily reconciled with France and even sent the Cossacks of Platov on a joint expedition with India to France through Afghanistan, to rob the English.

    But the Russian monarch stopped the apoplexy blow with a snuffbox in the temple, to which England, Pavlovsky courtiers and his son Alexander had a hand. Sasha’s friends did not want to put up with France, because LesNeftGazPromSahar = money had already been established with England. Kazakov was deployed from near Bukhara, and Alexander Palych subsequently throughout his life was afraid that he could suffer the same fate as his dad.

    Shortly before the death of the Russian monarch in Paris, there was a swing at Bonaparte. Upon learning of Paul’s death, he was heartbroken and proclaimed that in Paris the British did not reach him, but in Petersburg they hit him in the heart.

    Later, when Alexander expressed indignation that Napoleon had abducted and executed one of the Bourbons (Duke of Engien) on the territory of the formally independent Duchy of Baden, violating all legal norms like this, Napoleon subtly trolled Sasha, not without the help of his foreign minister, Talleyrand, who loved money and bribes (it was he who persuaded Bonaparte to kill Engiensky), the question was, if Alexander knew who killed his father and could get to them, would he be stopped by the borders of other states? After that, the king ignited unquenchable love for the subject.

    Until 1812, after the signing of the Tilsit Peace and the victory over Austria, Napoleon actively married to Alexander's sister Anna Pavlovna, because Josephine could not have children because of the sins of her youth. But the Queen Mother stubbornly resisted this, referring to the fact that the girl was still small. As a result, the subject had to be satisfied with the Austrian.
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 December 2015 19: 18
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      Fortune telling on instant coffee. wassat By the way, are you like the first of the alternatives in this thread? Whose will you be? I do not recognize you in the subject? Hyperboloid from Hyperborea? Not. Veles hair? Also no. Freak Chudinova? Ah, chronicler Fomenko.
      I'm sorry. hi
  32. tanit
    tanit 12 December 2015 19: 01
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    And so, the Franks themselves endured the First World War (and with whom, excuse me, the Kaisers fought for another year, after the collapse of the Russian Empire)
    They didn’t notice the Second World War (Charles and his brigade are approximately the same as Khamis Gaddafi’s brigade, only someone was more fortunate)
    And the rag president ....
    Le Pen come.
    However, I suppose (Carthage must be destroyed) - we are waiting for Marie.
  33. orff
    orff 13 December 2015 00: 57
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    Here is what Thierry Meyssan writes about France's involvement in the Syrian war:
    In 2011, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe and his Turkish counterpart Ahmet Davutoglu signed a secret treaty. We know that it included several mutual obligations, one of which is the “settlement of the Kurdish issue” without “violating the territorial integrity of Turkey,” that is, the creation of Kurdistan in Syria.
    In August 2014, French President Francois Hollande admitted to Monde in an interview with France that France had sent offensive weapons to Syrian rebels. And in an interview with journalist Xavier Panon, he adds that since 2012 he supplied 20-mm guns, machine guns, grenade launchers and anti-tank shells, which violates international law and puts France on a par with gangster states.
    Zamarany everyone who staged a massacre in Syria. Those who did not buy stolen oil sold weapons, those who did not buy stolen archaeological values ​​sold drugs to ISIS.
    Despite the statements made in the media in 2015, no one has changed his policy regarding Daesh. The terrorist organization continues to be supported by those who created it (American politicians with David Petraeus and John Negroponte, the governments of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey). Only Iraqi Shiites, Lebanese Hezbollah, the Syrian government army and Russia continue to fight against it. The operations of the American coalition were not aimed at eradicating Daesh, but only at containing it. And today, the game consists in “liberating” the north of Syria and settling this territory with Iraqi Kurds, ousting Daesh to Iraq, where he was allocated the Al-Anbar region (the desert western part of the country).
  34. Fei_Wong
    Fei_Wong 13 December 2015 03: 19
    +1
    Quote: tanit
    Fortune telling on instant coffee. wassat By the way, are you like the first of the alternatives in this thread? Whose will you be? I do not recognize you in the subject? Hyperboloid from Hyperborea? Not. Veles hair? Also no. Freak Chudinova? Ah, chronicler Fomenko.
    I'm sorry. hi

    Nothing, I'm not touchy. And - no, no alternative. Napoleon and Paul I really went to rapprochement - after the betrayal of Russia by England and Austria - we remember how the "allies" threw Suvorov into the Alps (and Napoleon was not Hitler, he did not need Lebensraum in the East). Russia did not need a war with France, no matter how you look. By force (through a palace coup), England actually pulled it into it. And by the way, England for the Russian Empire has always been about the same as the United States was and is for the USSR / Russia. Historically. What is the alternative here? By the way, do you also consider an alternative to the fact that Napoleon, when he was young, generally wanted to enlist in the Russian imperial army?