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Aircraft of the American coalition again "missed", inflicting another blow to the positions of the Syrian armed forces

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The spokesman for the Ministry of Defense of the Syrian Arab Republic, Brigadier General Ali Mayhub, told the media that aviation the so-called American anti-terrorist coalition once again strangely “missed” and dealt a blow to the Syrian military. And again the blow fell on the positions of the SAR Armed Forces in the province of Deir ez-Zor. As a result of the air raid, three Syrian soldiers were killed and at least thirty were injured.


Aircraft of the American coalition again "missed", inflicting another blow to the positions of the Syrian armed forces


RIA News cites the statement of the Syrian general:
While our troops repel attacks by the DAISH (ISIL) terrorists in the eastern zone, the US-led coalition planes attacked one of our troops’s positions in Deir-ez-Zor, which resulted in the death of three servicemen and the wounding of thirty, as well as the destruction of weapons, military and special equipment and facilities.


This is the second “miss” of the so-called coalition planes, which resulted in a blow to the positions of the Syrian government forces. Last Sunday, in the province of Deir ez-Zor, three Syrian fighters were victims of air raids of coalition aircraft led by the United States, and 16 were injured.

It is hardly possible to call a NATO aircraft strike against the positions of the armed forces of the SAR accident or coincidence. All this is reminiscent of a planned action on the implementation of the United States and allied tasks, which are least of all associated with the real struggle against international terrorism.
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  1. Wolka
    Wolka 11 December 2015 06: 43 New
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    за такие вещи пора наказывать "слепых"...
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 11 December 2015 06: 48 New
      64
      All the same vile tactics on the verge of a foul.
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 11 December 2015 06: 51 New
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        Brigadier General Ali Maykhub told the media that the aircraft of the so-called American anti-terrorist coalition once again strangely “missed”
        Это только начало, они только входят во вкус. Могу посоветовать только одно. Когда на каком-нибудь участке фронта вы будете готовить наступление, подгоняйте туда "Панцири." Бармалеи увидят, что вы зашевелились и обязательно пожалуются своим куратарам и они прилетят.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 11 December 2015 08: 07 New
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          The name itself, the American Coalition Against ISIS, is Machiavellian.
          The American Machiavellian strategists by this name simply hypnotically cover their true intentions and goals in Syria in the eyes of the world community, which allows the United States not only to untie its hands on the BV and oppose the Syrian armed forces, despite the Assad’s assistance from Russia, but also gain time in the eyes of the world community as a supposedly “fair international peacekeeper”. While the peoples and the world community, in the course of the divergence in practice of dealing with the United States, will figure out what's what, the United States hopes that they will be able to smash the Syrian armed forces like an elephant in a china shop.
          Therefore, it is necessary in the media to actively speak out also against the very name “American coalition against ISIS” - rename it to “American coalition in defense of DIASH”. It is necessary and important to call a spade a spade.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 11 December 2015 10: 54 New
            +3
            Quote: Tatiana
            need to be more active in the media

            Suppose this goes through in our media, but neither I nor you are a decree to the Western media. They have their own master. He dictates what to do and what to say.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 11 December 2015 14: 51 New
              +6
              afdjhbn67 (2)
              Tatyana, then the Turks will push propaganda to the limit and go into Syria under a drum battle, and Assad will have nothing to oppose them ..

              1. If such things are announced at the government level, then foreign officials from other countries and the Western media will be forced to repeat this.
              2. In addition, foreigners also read and watch our media. There are still bloggers.
              3. Nothing stronger adheres to the reputation of people and states and does not spread as quickly as the corresponding “labels” - since their short meaning affects all people very quickly and clearly.

              The propaganda is strong. It works anyway. And there are certain “holes” in the media and word of mouth for the dissemination of information.
              You just need to work in this direction more actively. And then under a lying stone, water does not flow
              1. dali
                dali 13 December 2015 23: 21 New
                0
                Propaganda can be strong ... but when there is no answer, such propaganda works only minus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                Therefore, the next time there should not be or should be a RESPONSE ... the pretext can be any if it is necessary to observe political realities ...
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            3. shed
              shed 12 December 2015 18: 13 New
              0
              there is RT, etc.
          2. Nick
            Nick 12 December 2015 22: 43 New
            0
            Quote: Tatiana
            "American coalition against ISIS"

            Yeah, bees versus honey ... lol
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        3. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 11 December 2015 08: 13 New
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          information for consideration: US Bombs Russian Troops Who Discovered Obama's Terror Leaders In Tennessee

          A new report reports today that the United States, supporting terrorists operating in the Levant zone, carried out a bombardment of the Syrian Arab Army (CAA), located in the province of Deir ez Zor in an attempt to destroy a group of elite Russian special forces acting there, as this group revealed the secret of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). This applies to ratline, the evacuation routes for ISIS terrorist leaders from this and other war zones, in Dover, Tennessee.

          According to this report, four US military aircraft fired nine missiles against the Syrian army last night, at least three Syrian soldiers were killed and 4 more were injured, the Syrian government designated this as an “act of aggression”, and the Syrian Foreign Ministry has already sent an official protest to the Security Council UN.

          The death toll of this raid intentionally carried out by the Obama regime against the Federation and the Syrian armed forces fighting against ISIS terrorists would be significantly higher if not for a preliminary warning from the Russian Armed Forces, which monitored the airspace of this zone during this attack.

          О том, почему режим Обамы был ориентирован на эту группу элитного спецназа, доклад объясняет, что это было из-за страха американцев, что эта группа раскрыла чудовищный заговор с участием ЦРУ, по эвакуации топ лидеров ISIS этого участка фронта из зоны военных действий, в секретный “коммуна/тренировочный лагерь” в Dover, штат Теннесси, так называемый Islamville. Он расположен в 51 километре (32 миль) от военной базы армии США Форт-Кэмпбелл , где эти террористы проходят подготовку, чтобы обучаться стрельбе с плеча зенитными ракетными комплексами—и в котором только на прошлой неделе, 2 декабря, произошло ЧП с участием этих террористов. Когда в результате обучения террористы случайно, "по ошибке", сбили вертолет AH-64 Апач, при этом погибли двое: шеф-уоррент-офицер 2-го класса Alex Caraballoleon and шеф-уоррент-офицер 2-го класса Kevin M. Weiss
          http://so-l.ru/news/show/bombya_pozicii_siriyskoy_armii_amerikanci_hoteli_un
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 11 December 2015 09: 13 New
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            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            if not for a preliminary warning from the Russian Aerospace Forces, which were monitoring the airspace of this zone during this attack.



            Честно говоря, меня до сих пор удивляет, что за все время не сбит ни один самолет "коалиции"...

            After all, in the end, they are there bombing, storming the territory of a foreign and sovereign country, without any UN mandate ... There is, by all laws, aggression ...

            And I just don’t understand - what is holding back both Assad and Putin ??? Why do not at least some means of air defense cover the position of the Syrian units ??? I deliberately do not talk about Russian special forces - either he is there, or he is not there ... But, even more so, if he is there - on hand, so why are they NOT covering him too ???

            Ну, сбили бы "коалиционный" самолет над СВОЕЙ территорией... Самолет-агрессор... Что, амерсы сирийцев бы в ООН агрессорами бы выставили ??? Ну и что ??? Они и так в открытую заявляют о своих целях, и действуют... Но если хотя бы один самолет "споткнется" в сирийском небе, объявлять Сирии войну в открытую - это значит, объявлять войну России... А это уже - не игры в войнушку, это - полномасштабная термоядерная война...
            1. varov14
              varov14 11 December 2015 09: 28 New
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              The special forces must have hand-held MANPADS, they shot down amerov, and then prove who shot them down, you can get Amerz.kie for such a case. Naughty so naughty.
              1. ermak.sidorov
                ermak.sidorov 12 December 2015 18: 05 New
                0
                ... and even better so that the special forces for such cases had manual BUK-M ... laughing

                ... they are trying to take revenge on the Kurvs for their specialists, whom we, together with the barmales, plowed, but here are bad luck and no flyers from them and mazil bombers laughing
              2. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 13 December 2015 20: 33 New
                0
                The height of aviation in the sky of Syria does not allow the use of MANPADS.
            2. uralex
              uralex 11 December 2015 10: 43 New
              +3
              Честно говоря, меня до сих пор удивляет, что за все время не сбит ни один самолет "коалиции".

              The Americans are just waiting for this to officially blame the Syrian army and helping Russia aiding terrorism ... Then NATO’s hands will be untied ...
              1. Countermeasure
                Countermeasure 11 December 2015 12: 05 New
                +1
                You can see right away that a person thinks and understands with his head how this provocative strategy works for them.
              2. Countermeasure
                Countermeasure 11 December 2015 12: 05 New
                0
                You can see right away that a person thinks and understands with his head how this provocative strategy works for them.
              3. Things
                Things 11 December 2015 12: 41 New
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                Quote: uralex

                The Americans are just waiting for this to officially blame the Syrian army and helping Russia aiding terrorism ... Then NATO’s hands will be untied ...

                An interesting point of view.
                And the murder of Syrian citizens and military personnel of the government army and the destruction of state infrastructure on the territory of Syria itself does not untie the hands of a legitimate government for the legitimate and reasonable protection of its citizens and its statehood as a whole ?!
                Если прикрыть потенциально опасные участки и объекты сирийской армии средствами ПВО,то вероятно лётчикам Штатов потребуется для начала уничтожить эти средства ПВО,а это уже мерами "контртеррористической" операции никак не назовёшь/не оправдаешь!
                США,как и другие участники "коалиции" обязаны согласовывать с правительством Сирии маршруты и участки предстоящих бомбардировок в рамках КТО,как это делает РоссияOtherwise, the devil knows what.
                Under no circumstances should Syria repeat the Yugoslav, Iraqi and Libyan script!
                Once Russia has already managed to prevent such a scenario in Syria (a couple of years ago), it would be great to save Syria even now.
                1. Sandov
                  Sandov 11 December 2015 22: 32 New
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                  Quote: Asiat
                  Under no circumstances should Syria repeat the Yugoslav, Iraqi and Libyan script!

                  I agree with you.
              4. Rrrj
                Rrrj 11 December 2015 12: 57 New
                +2
                Quote: uralex
                The Americans are just waiting for this to officially blame the Syrian army and helping Russia in aiding terrorism ...

                Here it is not necessary to carry nonsense.
            3. Countermeasure
              Countermeasure 11 December 2015 12: 02 New
              -1
              What nonsense are you saying dear? If anyone beats a coalition plane in the area of ​​deployment of the Syrian troops. immediate entry of the no-fly zone and the Libyan scenario will follow. This is what Americans need to declare Assad an aggressor and sweep away everything that is left there, and squeeze the Russian Aerospace Forces by blocking the straits. And accuse the UN of aiding the aggressor and tyrant. What is the interesting route for the supply of ammunition and supplies? Have you looked at the map? And no one will unleash a nuclear conflict on this occasion.
              1. Rrrj
                Rrrj 11 December 2015 12: 59 New
                +2
                Quote: Countermeasure
                If anyone beats a coalition plane in the area of ​​deployment of the Syrian troops. immediate entry of the no-fly zone and the Libyan scenario will follow. This is what Americans need to declare Assad an aggressor and sweep away everything that is left there, and squeeze the Russian Aerospace Forces by blocking the straits. And accuse the UN of aiding the aggressor and tyrant. What is the interesting route for the supply of ammunition and supplies?

                No bullshit - what now to let them wet us and be silent?
                What kind of idiocy - you need to write in the toilet - and protect your homeland.
              2. Sandov
                Sandov 11 December 2015 22: 34 New
                0
                Quote: Countermeasure
                What nonsense are you saying dear?

                And what can you offer in return for this?
              3. shed
                shed 12 December 2015 18: 23 New
                +1
                you yourself at least understand that write nonsense who can introduce a no-fly zone there, there is a legitimate government of Syria and the country that was officially asked to help, all the rest are free Yugoslavia will not be those times
            4. Countermeasure
              Countermeasure 11 December 2015 12: 02 New
              -2
              What nonsense are you saying dear? If anyone beats a coalition plane in the area of ​​deployment of the Syrian troops. immediate entry of the no-fly zone and the Libyan scenario will follow. This is what Americans need to declare Assad an aggressor and sweep away everything that is left there, and squeeze the Russian Aerospace Forces by blocking the straits. And accuse the UN of aiding the aggressor and tyrant. What is the interesting route for the supply of ammunition and supplies? Have you looked at the map? And no one will unleash a nuclear conflict on this occasion.
            5. Rrrj
              Rrrj 11 December 2015 12: 56 New
              0
              Quote: veksha50
              And I just don’t understand - what is holding back both Assad and Putin ???

              It also surprises me - what kind of chaos?
              + Who was yelling rya - not tired yet?
            6. Sandov
              Sandov 11 December 2015 22: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: veksha50
              Честно говоря, меня до сих пор удивляет, что за все время не сбит ни один самолет "коалиции"...

              Gringo with impunity and purposefully bombed the Syrian army, why they are not shot down?
            7. Suhow
              Suhow 13 December 2015 11: 53 New
              +1
              Yes, and we can talk about the protection of their territories and troops, when a coalition plane was shot down. As for the Turkish provocation, their allies spoke in the same vein ...
          2. Mister22408
            Mister22408 11 December 2015 09: 56 New
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            "Апач" "стингером" сбить?...Мдя...Можно, но трудно для мастера военного дела, а тут - хулиганы с бородами.Отрабатывали практические стрельбы из ПЗРК - по чему лупили интересно...База на расстоянии 32 мили, вертуха упала в 12 милях от базы - мощный такой ПЗРК, наверное двухплечевой :-)
            http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/2015/12/04/army-releases-na

            mes-aviators-killed-apache-crash-near-fort-campbell / 76777748 /
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikit3VEsc-g
        4. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 11 December 2015 08: 28 New
          +6
          they will continue to act, it will be worse ... Russia needs to do something. It may accidentally drop their plane .... the route is not agreed, did not respond, and carry the other crap .... then apologize for the downed plane
          1. fif21
            fif21 11 December 2015 09: 05 New
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            Quote: Alexey-74
            Russia needs to do something

            1.Нужно подготовить мировое "общественное мнение"-Американцы в Сирии бомбят правительственные войска и за это могут быть наказаны.
            2. Syria to warn the United States that in the event of strikes against Syrian troops, aircraft will be destroyed by Syrian air defense.
            3.Obama monkey with a grenade.
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 11 December 2015 09: 25 New
              +8
              Quote: fif21
              3.Obama monkey with a grenade.
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        5. veksha50
          veksha50 11 December 2015 09: 03 New
          +5
          Quote: keel 31
          This is only the beginning, they only come in taste.



          Here, oddly enough, there is only one way out ...

          Раз уж ООН безглазое и в упор не видит, что целая банда-коалиция френачит по территории чужого государства и уничтожает его людей, остается только мочить и мочить бармалеев с удвоенной-утроенной интенсивностью, чтобы потом США и их союзники ничем уже не могли оправдать свои "ошибки", по простой причине - бармалеев на территории Сирии - нет...
        6. Sasha 19871987
          Sasha 19871987 11 December 2015 15: 22 New
          0
          IT IS NECESSARY FOR INSTALLATIONS WITH 400 SYRIAN OPERATORS TO LAND, let punish clumsy pilots with missiles ...
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 11 December 2015 22: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: sasha 19871987
            IT IS NECESSARY FOR INSTALLATIONS WITH 400 SYRIAN OPERATORS TO LAND, let punish clumsy pilots with missiles ...

            They still need to be trained and trained. It might be better to announce the no-fly zone loudly at the UN and shoot down all the crap that gets there.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 11 December 2015 08: 40 New
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        Quote: subbtin.725
        All the same vile tactics on the verge of a foul.

        Да это не "на грани фола", это прямой удар по лицу. И даже не Ассаду - нам. "Вы там летайте, бомбите, а мы пилювали на вас слюнями и будем обстряпывать то, что считаем нужным".

        You need to react, and react harshly. I don’t know, maybe a second Vietnam will come out ... Here, in Russia, a lot can be argued - not at the time, but there is no money, but the economy, yes sanctions, and victims ...

        I know one thing for sure - our men with titanium balls there, in Syria, are not afraid of a second Vietnam. Maybe they are even waiting for the opportunity to finally give vent to feelings. By myself, I know this when you do not think about anything - only forward and only tear. To shreds ... And you don’t hear any orders, and a smart commander will not stop at such a moment.
        1. Countermeasure
          Countermeasure 11 December 2015 12: 14 New
          +1
          You, dear, are apparently mistaken about the reason for our presence in Syria and the deployment of the C 400 there. This is more a political decision than a military one.
        2. Countermeasure
          Countermeasure 11 December 2015 12: 14 New
          -4
          You, dear, are apparently mistaken about the reason for our presence in Syria and the deployment of the C 400 there. This is more a political decision than a military one.
      3. Blondy
        Blondy 11 December 2015 09: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: subbtin.725
        All the same vile tactics on the verge of a foul.

        По моему уже за гранью. Извинаюсь, конечно, но по данным Википедии в сирию уже поставлены "отдельные компоненты".
        I quote: Russian President Vladimir V. Putin, in an interview for the Associated Press and Channel One, said that certain components of the S-300 had already been delivered to Syria. [21]

        It is supposed to supply 144 missiles [22].

        In September 2014, the president said * we delivered individual components, but the entire supply was not completed, we have suspended it for now. But if we see that some steps are being taken to violate existing international standards, then we will think about what to do in the future, including the supply of such sensitive weapons *
        * Source ↑ http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/19143
        It may be enough to lower such a greyhound and it is time to deliver the missing 144 missiles.
      4. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 11 December 2015 10: 50 New
        +7
        Quote: subbtin.725
        All the same vile tactics on the verge of a foul

        I apologize. What the edge, what a foul? This is an outright battle against the government army of the state, whose president for some reason does not suit a number of Western rulers, caving in front of the ruler of one of the countries of North America. And here it is here that I support the delivery to Syria of Buk and even S-300 systems. Syrians have every right to shoot down planes that flew into Syria, without special permission of the government.
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      6. tomket
        tomket 11 December 2015 11: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: subbtin.725
        All the same vile tactics on the verge of a foul.

        А сбить пару "Торнадо" всемогущим с-400 и сразу увидите , какая коалиция миролюбивая.
      7. Olfred
        Olfred 11 December 2015 13: 07 New
        0
        I agree with you ... only this is no longer on the verge of a foul, but the pattern has gone. sorry for their bases do not fall hi
      8. Sandov
        Sandov 11 December 2015 22: 26 New
        0
        Quote: subbtin.725
        All the same vile tactics on the verge of a foul.

        Well, how will they bomb their project? Daish son of a bitch, but he is his son of a bitch. They did not invent anything new.
    2. Patriot 1
      Patriot 1 11 December 2015 06: 51 New
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      Ну это уже наглая и окрытая поддержка ИГИЛ... С грузами вооружений они вообще постоянно "промахивались"... Эрдоган по нашей авиации отработал, остальные ЧЛЕНЫ "антиигиловской коалиции" по Сирийской Армии работают.
    3. atalef
      atalef 11 December 2015 06: 52 New
      +9
      Quote: Volka
      за такие вещи пора наказывать "слепых"...

      And why do you think this is accidental?
      Hybrid warfare tactics - oops did not want to.
      And what will you do?
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      If such actions increase, our VKS will have to do something to protect government forces from such actions by the coalition.

      What will you do?
      Will you bring down planes?
      And what ? They do not interfere with the Russian VKS, they seem to fly to one place, but will they get bombed on the way?
      This means knocking everything down or declaring a no-fly zone.
      Problem
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 11 December 2015 07: 07 New
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        Quote: atalef
        Will you bring down planes?

        To give such an opportunity to the army of the SAR, they have all the rights to destroy the aggressor.
        1. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 11 December 2015 08: 31 New
          +1
          под видом САР наши спецы пусть и собьют "Вербой" например и по мощнее ЗРК....
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 11 December 2015 07: 08 New
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        What will you do?


        There is a way out ... but risky ... in the locations of the ASADA troops, officially (I emphasize officially) to place our specialists with a warning to the coalition leadership about the consequences of striking at them.

        Naturally, our people will have to cover up with air defense systems .... this option is clean from the point of view of international law but risky for people's lives ... they can still hit in the back.
        1. Moore
          Moore 11 December 2015 07: 28 New
          +7
          Ну или, как вариант, "передать" братскому сирийскому народу несколько "Панцырей", "Тунгусок"... где-то "Куб" завалялся(?) - и его тоже.
          Предупредить на уровне ООН, что ВС САР вынуждены будут защищаться от "миротворцев" в случае прямого нападения.
          1. andj61
            andj61 11 December 2015 08: 23 New
            +5
            Quote: Moore
            Ну или, как вариант, "передать" братскому сирийскому народу несколько "Панцырей", "Тунгусок"... где-то "Куб" завалялся(?) - и его тоже.

            They already have all this. Courage is needed for application!
            Syrian air defense equipped with Russian weapons. Over 900 air defense systems and more than 4000 anti-aircraft guns of 23-100 mm caliber are in service. 300 Syrian air defense systems fall on the S-75 Dvina and S-75M Volga, 200 Cube, 140 on the S-125 Neva and S-125M Pechora, 60 Osa, S-200 Angara "and S-200V" Vega "- 44 sets, as well as self-propelled air defense systems of medium range" Buk "- 18 sets.
            1. Moore
              Moore 11 December 2015 09: 24 New
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              They already have all this. Courage is needed for application!

              Реликтовые древности у них есть. Слово "передать" я не случайно взял в кавычки.
              "Передать" так, как примерно Ющер "передавал" Мишико ЗРК в 2008-м. Время учить сирийцев нет.
            2. veksha50
              veksha50 11 December 2015 09: 27 New
              +2
              Quote: andj61
              They already have all this. Courage is needed for application!


              Hmm ... Then I don’t understand anything at all ... Bandits fly in the Syrian sky and urinate - whom they want ... With impunity ... Some kind of nonsense ...

              Or staff - untouchables ??? So this myth must be dispelled ...
            3. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 11 December 2015 10: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: andj61
              They already have all this. Courage is needed for application!
              Syrian air defense equipped with Russian weapons. Over 900 air defense systems and more than 4000 anti-aircraft guns of 23-100 mm caliber are in service. 300 Syrian air defense systems fall on the S-75 Dvina and S-75M Volga, 200 Cube, 140 on the S-125 Neva and S-125M Pechora, 60 Osa, S-200 Angara "and S-200V" Vega "- 44 sets, as well as self-propelled air defense systems of medium range" Buk "- 18 sets.

              Да... для применения всего этого действительно нужна немалая смелость. Ибо почти всё вышеперечисленное было разработано в 50-60-х годах прошлого века. И у нас уже давно снято с вооружения (кроме "бука" и "осы").
              S-75s worked back in Vietnam.
              "Кубы" и С-125 помнят ещё войну "Йом-Кипур". Примечательно, что на базе "кубов" сирийцы клепают шуши с 57-мм пушками.
              С-200 по табличным ТТХ, конечно, внушает. Но на деле - это стационарный ЗРК с жидкотопливными ракетами. Азотная кислота и "тонка"... бррр. А стационарность означает то, что по его позиции можно работать даже УАБ и УР с наведением по GPS - цель никуда не уйдёт.
              Остаются только "буки" и, отчасти, "осы".

              The main thing is that air defense is not just a set of air defense systems. Air defense is a system. Radio engineering parts, communications, control centers, etc. And after several years of civil war, this system is almost completely destroyed.
              And individual divisions and even regiments operating autonomously do not pose a big threat. Unless, of course, it is normal to plan sorties (RTR, air defense, AS, EW, PRR) - and not to drive single heavy reconnaissance aircraft into the zone of the air defense system without cover.
            4. DobryAAH
              DobryAAH 11 December 2015 11: 20 New
              +1
              Смелость появится, когда уже по нам ошибутся, а может опять словами ограничимся?Тогда партнеры еще больше обнаглеют. Поймите, чтобы что-то против них применить, когда на нас полетят, воля нужна. А то ведь опять лупать глазами будут:"У нас -соглашение"
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        3. sa-ag
          sa-ag 11 December 2015 10: 09 New
          0
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          There is a way out ... but risky ... in the locations of the ASADA troops, officially (I emphasize officially) to place our specialists with a warning to the coalition leadership about the consequences of striking at them.

          Well, they will be bombed and say that anyone on earth from above cannot be seen, ISIS or specialists
        4. Countermeasure
          Countermeasure 11 December 2015 12: 21 New
          0
          The way out is to have the funds of Reb covering the zones of deployment of troops, but this does not guarantee against free-falling bombs.
        5. Countermeasure
          Countermeasure 11 December 2015 12: 21 New
          0
          The way out is to have the funds of Reb covering the zones of deployment of troops, but this does not guarantee against free-falling bombs.
        6. Things
          Things 11 December 2015 12: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: The same Lech

          There is a way out ... but risky ... in the locations of the ASADA troops, officially (I emphasize officially) place our specialists with a warning to the leadership of the coalition about the consequences of striking them.
          Naturally, our people will have to cover with air defense .... this option is clean from the point of view of international law but risky for the lives of people ... can still hit in the back.

          Очень неплохой вариант и вполне осуществимый,причём объявить о таком решении МО РФ и МИД РФ должны не только по военным,дипломатическим и политическим каналам,а и через все известные СМИ(RT,CNN,BBC и т.д.),чтобы мировая общественность была в курсе и чтобы американцам(НАТО) потом не удалось бы отмазаться за счёт "случайностей" и т.д.
          Americans must be complete idiots in order to strike at such objects (positions) because it will be a frankly deliberate attack (aggression) against Russia with all the consequences.
      3. andj61
        andj61 11 December 2015 08: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        And what ? They do not interfere with the Russian VKS, they seem to fly to one place, but will they get bombed on the way?
        This means knocking everything down or declaring a no-fly zone.
        Problem

        Greetings, Alexander! hi This is not a problem. As soon as air defense systems — even the old S-200s — as well as the Shells begin to work on planes, you don’t even need to shoot down them: no one wants to fly. And about the S-200 - no matter what they say, but in terms of its functionality it is not much inferior to the S-300. The disadvantages are stationarity, liquid rockets, a slightly outdated guidance system. But after all, he does not need to work for several dozen goals, one at a time is enough. I don’t think that the pilot will feel comfortable knowing that at any moment he may not fly weakly.
        Вообще-то при том количестве самолётов у т.н. "коалиции" и количестве даже устаревших ЗРК у Сирии при желании сирийского руководства, комплектовании боевых расчётов обученными кадрами, а также грамотном применении - после нанесения удара по сирийским войскам в течении десятков секунд вполне мог бы последовать ответ, также "случайно" обрушающий все самолёты коалиции в воздухе. Только там даже радары по самолётам, судя по всему, не отрабатывают, да и вообще, по-видимому, ЗРК они выбросили за ненадобностью.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 11 December 2015 10: 16 New
          0
          Quote: andj61
          As soon as air defense systems — even the old S-200s — as well as the Shells begin to work on planes, you don’t even need to shoot down them: no one wants to fly.

          Does Syria have live S-200s?
          The Air Force on their paper also looked menacing ... but in reality only a couple of dozen cars fly.
          1. andj61
            andj61 11 December 2015 13: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Does Syria have live S-200s?

            Yes, from the living there is only a target illumination radar needed, and for the S-75, S-125 - missile guidance station. And the rest is efficient and not necessary - in order to scare, of course. bully
            But seriously, the S-200 is a pretty reliable thing, I would even say it is indestructible, the elemental base is almost at the level of transistors, and even with double guaranteed redundancy. This is both an advantage and a disadvantage. The disadvantages are the large size, stationary, liquid rockets that require special conditions for refueling near positions, as well as the need for highly professional combat crews. Of course, in Syria there may not be just the last component - the military operations of the 70s-80s show that Arab settlements cannot work effectively in a combat situation. request
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 14 December 2015 12: 02 New
              0
              Quote: andj61
              Yes, there is only a living target radar needed from the living

              Figures. Without the same missile refueling complex, it will be clear from the very first shots that the division is sky-saving.
        2. Countermeasure
          Countermeasure 11 December 2015 12: 28 New
          +1
          Of course no one wants to fly. They will simply uncover everything from the beginning of the Kyrgyz Republic, and only after that they will start flying again.
          1. andj61
            andj61 11 December 2015 13: 52 New
            0
            Quote: Countermeasure
            Of course no one wants to fly. They will simply uncover everything from the beginning of the Kyrgyz Republic, and only after that they will start flying again.

            So, the old Soviet S-75s that Syria possesses (if they are workable), especially the S-25 and S-200 are just designed to combat cruise missiles. Moreover, even if Syria has 50% of suitable air defense systems (which is also doubtful), they themselves can provide a no-fly zone - however, if modern electronic warfare systems are used, these old air defense systems will go blind. But there are also more modern Buki, and it seems like Armor ...
            1. andj61
              andj61 11 December 2015 14: 26 New
              0
              Quote: andj61
              old Soviet S-75s, all the more so - C-25 and S-200

              Sorry - a clear slip - of course, S-125.
        3. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 12 December 2015 21: 06 New
          +1
          And what does the desire of the Syrian leadership have to do with it? All wishes and decisions are made in the Kremlin.
      4. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 11 December 2015 08: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        It means to blame everything or declare no-fly zone.

        And why not? We are there at the invitation of the legitimately elected president, whom America herself congratulated on her election. And what are their rights? On the bird? Well, let them not like birds, where they shoot ...
      5. veksha50
        veksha50 11 December 2015 09: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        What will you do?
        Will you bring down planes?


        Why not ??? Only in this case, not by the forces of the Russian air forces, but by the forces of the Syrian air defense ...

        "And why do you think this is accidental?"...

        But hardly anyone is thinking about it ... Everything is sewn with white thread, and the blow was focused ...

        So I ask the question: what would the United States say in response, after their plane, sowing death from heaven, was shot down by the air defense forces of the country, whose army is destroyed by the same state aircraft ???

        And there is no need to say that an escalation of such mistakes would follow, turning them into open hostilities ... Far more so - the war is already going on, people and infrastructure are dying ...
      6. dali
        dali 11 December 2015 09: 44 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Hybrid warfare tactics - oops did not want to.
        Это когда 1-ин раз ... а сейчас это уже 2-ой "случай" ...

        It is time to warn that the 3rd case is no longer a case and there will be consequences ...
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      8. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 12 December 2015 21: 01 New
        +1
        First, a no-fly zone, and then blame. And not under his breath to hate about this zone, but at the UN site, for the whole world. We warned the pier, more than once ...
        They beat someone who allows themselves to be beaten. Well, if you chew the snot, it will simply progress. Each time, everything is more impudent and in different spheres. We’ve worn out with the Turks, so we’re afraid ... so they check our reaction.
    4. Jan Krumins
      Jan Krumins 11 December 2015 07: 04 New
      12
      The main terrorist America!
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 11 December 2015 07: 46 New
        +4
        USA - Russia is not a partner, and certainly not an ally. And there is nothing to say about the ATS - the Americans of the Syrians do not seem to think of people either. This is just some kind of fascism! And with the Nazis you need to act like in the forty-fifth, and it seems that this is the case.
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      3. Tarpon
        Tarpon 11 December 2015 08: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Jan Krumins
        The main terrorist America!

        I agree.
        I am sure that the planes of their allies were bombed, so that they themselves could, in case of something, get out.
      4. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 11 December 2015 09: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Jan Krumins
        The main terrorist America!

        Yes, worse than a drunk Carlson, there can only be a cross-eyed American pilot.
    5. st25310
      st25310 11 December 2015 07: 30 New
      0
      ZAK-57 - a modern anti-aircraft artillery system for military air defense.
      http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2015/12/57.html#more
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2015 08: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Volka
      а такие вещи пора наказывать "слепых"...

      And how?
      1. Watchdog
        Watchdog 11 December 2015 08: 45 New
        +4
        Shoot down.
        А каким это делается образом на войне? Или еще есть наивные пятиклассники, которые считают что США и их пособники воюют в Сирии с ИГИЛ? Всем же ясно, что США воюют с Сирией и ее президентом Асадом. То есть, минуточку, США и ряд эуропейцких "демократий" ведут открытую войну против этого маленького государства. Самолеты противника надо сбивать. В случае мести за это Москва должна открыто запретить полеты авиации США и НАТО в регионе. Другие выходы есть?
    7. sherp2015
      sherp2015 11 December 2015 08: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Volka
      за такие вещи пора наказывать "слепых"...


      This is complete mess!
      Пора уже Сирийской армии применить с 300 и с-400 по "промахнувшимся"
      1. Banshee
        Banshee 11 December 2015 08: 57 New
        +2
        Do you personally put the Syrian army C-400? Then forward, yesterday it was necessary.
        1. sherp2015
          sherp2015 19 December 2015 10: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Banshee
          Do you personally put the Syrian army C-400? Then forward, yesterday it was necessary.


          Ну куда мне с вашими "поставками" сравниться...
    8. Coconut Tima
      Coconut Tima 11 December 2015 09: 27 New
      0
      US allies in the coalition are also blind.
      Amnesty International has accused Saudi Arabia and its allies of attacking schools in Yemen.
      According to the organization, after the coalition led by Saudi Arabia began to launch air strikes in Yemen in March, more than a thousand schools in the country were forced to stop working - about a quarter of them were completely destroyed.
    9. Vend
      Vend 11 December 2015 09: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Volka
      за такие вещи пора наказывать "слепых"...

      Yes, it's time to start shooting down on approaching positions. But first, the Syrians should make a statement, and Russia should support it. And then you can shoot down. Syria is a sovereign country.
    10. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 11 December 2015 11: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Volka
      за такие вещи пора наказывать "слепых"...


      Наши боятся своими действиями начать третью мировую. Хотя на деле, уже пора сбить один из "наглецов". НАТО не пойдет на открытое столкновение, тем более по всем международным правилам Сирия имеет право защищать свои воздушные границы. Жду утром новость сбит самолет НАТО над Сирией. Если этого не будет, НАТО в наглую начнет уничтожать наступающие сирийские войска, тогда все действия ВКС по поддержке сирийской сухопутной армии - коту под хвост.

      PySy. If the boat is perforated and filled with water, you don’t need to scoop up water, but you need to close a hole, you don’t have to scoop up.
    11. Uran
      Uran 11 December 2015 12: 00 New
      +1
      very well understand who is being bombed. they pretend that they didn’t bomb. remove the power of asad. this is their strategy.
    12. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 11 December 2015 12: 23 New
      -1
      I am sincerely surprised - why the Syrians do not shoot down mattress airplanes?
      And we must firmly and uncompromisingly cover them.
      Some kind of absurdity!
    13. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 11 December 2015 21: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Volka
      за такие вещи пора наказывать "слепых"...

      On concepts - YES !!!

      According to the situation, it is not clear whether ours agreed on a demarcation line or if everything is on the initiative ...
    14. _my opinion
      _my opinion 12 December 2015 18: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Volka
      Самолёты американской коалиции снова "промахнулись", нанеся очередной удар по позициям ВС

      especially in the light of their arrogance with the high accuracy of their weapons and the cries of the low accuracy of our weapons
    15. Romanenko
      Romanenko 13 December 2015 11: 46 New
      0
      Most likely they are just waiting for this, they haven’t received an answer for our knocked down, now they want to answer for their own .... @@ ki!
    16. Valiich
      Valiich 13 December 2015 21: 19 New
      0
      Это дело времени. А "жующий негр" может поперхнуться своей антиникотиновой жувой! Я одному удивляюсь, ко всем своим недостаткам и глупостям он еще и курит!!! А если это так, то что он курит, если такие загагулины выкидывает?!
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 11 December 2015 06: 45 New
    19
    If such actions increase, our VKS will have to do something to protect government forces from such actions by the coalition.
    It turns out that all the achievements of the Aerospace Forces in Syria will be nullified by the treacherous blows of the so-called coalition ... and this incidentally is a predictable situation.
    1. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket 11 December 2015 06: 50 New
      +7
      I'm not surprised at anything. there was not even a recall of the ambassador from Ankara. And now everyone will spit on us with a sense of security. And these blows are proof of this. Sorry. I already wrote that if there is no clear reaction to the downed plane, then this will be the beginning of the end of Putin as a politician. What I don't like, but this is most likely the case.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 11 December 2015 09: 32 New
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      If such stocks increase our videoconferencing something will have to be done to protect government forces from such actions by the coalition.


      Our VKS arrived there with several other tasks ...

      Another question is why these government troops are not defending themselves with any (!!!) air defense means ???

      Ну ладно, первая "ошибка" объясняется внезапностью и неожиданностью... Но уже сразу необходимо было предусмотреть вариант, при котором эти "ошибки" будут повторяться, и, если не получат "ответку", эти "ошибки" перейдут в рабочую обыденность войны...
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 11 December 2015 12: 26 New
        0
        And what are DeZ air defense systems ??? This is an enclave of government troops surrounded by broads, which rests solely on a competent commander, a fairly large number of troops that flocked from lost points and bases precisely to DeZ.

        There only helicopters with a fight break through. If you land at Ilom base, then there take-off and taxiing are shot through by the ATGM and tanks. Turntables still manage to hide, but Il does not hide.
  3. olf
    olf 11 December 2015 06: 46 New
    10
    Is our C-400 missing? It’s time already, to try it in practice.
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 11 December 2015 06: 51 New
      +6
      Quote: olf
      Is our C-400 missing? It’s time already, to try it in practice.

      Неправильная формулировка. "Случайно сбить." "Не знали что это американский самолет".
    2. Belarus
      Belarus 11 December 2015 06: 54 New
      23
      Agree that nobody will shoot down pseudo-coalition planes. You judge for yourself what will happen later. The Americans simply troll Russia and test its nerves for strength. It was not possible to drag Russia into the war with NATO with the Su-24, so they decided to get on their nerves and provoke RF and thereby in passing compromise Assad completely if it hits a plane of a terrorist coalition led by the usa.
      I am not a politician or a military man, but I agree that this disgrace must be stopped.
      1. amirbek
        amirbek 11 December 2015 08: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: Belarus
        Agree that nobody will shoot down pseudo-coalition planes ..

        I don’t agree ... the provocateurs will knock down ... let's say a couple at once ... they will make snickers out of shit .. and launch it through all their sewer channels
      2. Watchdog
        Watchdog 11 December 2015 08: 50 New
        +5
        Quote: Belarus
        You judge what will happen next.

        And then what will happen? Nuclear strike on the Russian Federation? 285th sanctions package?
        Defense wars are not won.
      3. Countermeasure
        Countermeasure 11 December 2015 12: 48 New
        0
        Stop it, but how? it will be complicated.
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 11 December 2015 09: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: olf
      And our S-400is missing something? It’s time already, to try it in practice.



      Our S-400 is designed to protect our VKS contingent ... This is - from a legal point of view ...

      And to shoot down the planes attacking the Syrian troops were not ours VKS and S-400, and the Syrians by all means at their disposal ...

      Another question is why they did not do this ???
      If there is not enough air defense equipment - this is just our it is necessary to deliver it to the Syrians, to train calculations ...
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 11 December 2015 10: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: veksha50
        train calculations ...

        for this (the same calculation commander) you need to study at least two years on an accelerated program at the Higher School of Economics ...
        privates at least half a year and that is not a fact.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 11 December 2015 11: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: PSih2097
          for this (the same calculation commander) you need to study at least two years on an accelerated program at the Higher School of Economics ...
          privates at least half a year and that is not a fact.



          And this just confirms the fact that after the collapse of the Union of the same Syrians (and citizens of other states), no one taught for a long time in our academies and schools ...

          What can we say about the Syrians, when they didn’t recruit our graduates and didn’t graduate from other schools ...

          And now the swiftness turns out ... To put air defense systems - so they are - scrap metal without trained calculations ...
          Connecting our calculations is already a direct war, and just as you can’t manage in Korea and Vietnam, you won’t get away from a direct conflict with NATO ...

          All in all, one headache ...

          PS Damn, Ukrainian Buki with their native crews (Stryi regiment, Lviv region) our planes beat in the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX - and still haven't answered for it ...

          It may be true to supply with our calculations, but somehow to formalize everything with an official agreement with Assad ??? After all, in fact, the hoppers in the sky of Syria host ...
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 December 2015 06: 47 New
    +7
    once again strange "missed"

    The Americans purposefully test Russia for strength. Already act brazenly, openly and without fear. Honestly, I don’t even know how to respond to them in such a situation. All sorts of statements and concerns about him like a pea wall.
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    2. Patriot 1
      Patriot 1 11 December 2015 07: 28 New
      +2
      You need to answer so that they are mired in internal problems. Raise Texas, remind Mexico of the lost territories. African Americans and Indians suggest that they owe money for the humiliation and extermination of their ancestors ... etc.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 11 December 2015 08: 15 New
        +2
        remind Mexico of the lost territories. African Americans and Indians suggest that they owe money

        И мексиканцы и индейцы отлично это помнят. Если бы было так просто "разворошить", то думаю, что уже давно бы к этому руку приложили.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 11 December 2015 09: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Patriot 1
        You need to answer so that they are mired in internal problems. Raise Texas, remind Mexico of the lost territories. African Americans and Indians suggest that they owe money for the humiliation and extermination of their ancestors ... etc.

        In this case, the US government has already prepared and purchased army weapons for the police (including armored personnel carriers, etc.) and hundreds of thousands of plastic coffins, the rangers will probably be in favor of the government, not Texas, if something happens. The CIA and the FBI are listening and looking at everything that is possible and impossible.
        In general, the United States is a tough totalitarian state with pseudo-democracy, where a policeman can easily shoot you on the street for an oblique look in his direction, and for searching for a pressure cooker and organic fertilizers on the Internet can easily rattle in prison.
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 11 December 2015 09: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Patriot 1
        You need to answer so that they are mired in internal problems. Raise Texas, remind Mexico of the lost territories. African Americans and Indians suggest that they owe money for the humiliation and extermination of their ancestors ... etc.

        In this case, the US government has already prepared and purchased army weapons for the police (including armored personnel carriers, etc.) and hundreds of thousands of plastic coffins, the rangers will probably be in favor of the government, not Texas, if something happens. The CIA and the FBI are listening and looking at everything that is possible and impossible.
        In general, the United States is a tough totalitarian state with pseudo-democracy, where a policeman can easily shoot you on the street for an oblique look in his direction, and for searching for a pressure cooker and organic fertilizers on the Internet can easily rattle in prison.
    3. udincev
      udincev 11 December 2015 08: 52 New
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      All sorts of statements and concerns about him like a pea wall.

      Statements and concerns are well expressed by the air defense system. Effectively, not like peas against a wall.
  5. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 11 December 2015 06: 47 New
    17
    Значит надо ПВО тоже "промахнуться"! )))
    И прям очень и очень "извиниться"! )))
    Типа: "Ой, так это вы, что-ли были? Да нууу...".
    "Ну, извинитя!"
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 11 December 2015 07: 11 New
      +6
      The main thing is to apologize immediately, and to assure that this will not happen again.
      1. Sober
        Sober 11 December 2015 09: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Alexej
        The main thing is to apologize right away

        better to apologize five minutes before chance.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 11 December 2015 12: 13 New
      -1
      Quote: Mihalich17
      Значит надо ПВО тоже "промахнуться"! )))


      This morning, in an anger of the day, an article was posted about the possibilities our Air Defense our the base of the videoconferencing group in Syria ...

      As for the capabilities of the S-400, and problems with Moscow-Varyag ... The article is sober, balanced, only the mood does not increase ... However, the truth is always unpleasant ...
      Называется: "Эскадра на мёртвых якорях"...

      Article source: Source: http://tehnowar.ru/31218-eskadra-na-mertvyh-yakoryah.html

      Краткая суть: Москва уже настолько изношена, что еще в декабре прошлого года должна была стать на капремонт и модернизацию на 4 (!!!) года... Однако обстоятельства "не пуЩают"...

      The Varangian leaves the Pacific region with his departure ...

      And the possibilities of their Forts are not omnipotent and not dimensionless ...

      The S-400 division to repel (suddenly) a massive raid and missile strike to protect the base is also not enough ...

      In general, the air defense problem needs to be solved not only in Syria, but also in our ...

      And we got stuck there for a long time ...

      Хоть и не люблю я эти шапкозакидательские вопли насчет: "А может быть - бахнем !?!?", однако иногда закрадывается мысль о том, что легче и проще самого главного вредителя грохнуть-бахнуть...
  6. Belarus
    Belarus 11 December 2015 06: 47 New
    +5
    Zhirinovsky correctly said that the Americans and their allies do not need peace in Syria and do not need a quick victory of some over others. What we are now witnessing is the implementation of the plan that Zhirinovsky spoke about. They will win the ATS, they will bomb it, they will defeat the Daesh, they will bomb his.
    The Syrian leadership itself will not do anything here. Unless it may turn to the Russian Aerospace Forces for help in resolving this issue. And then it will be seen what will happen.
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 December 2015 06: 54 New
      -1
      Quote: Belarus
      The Syrian leadership itself will not do anything here. Unless it may turn to the Russian Aerospace Forces for help in resolving this issue. And then it will be seen what will happen.

      Yes, they have long since appealed and will gladly accept the input of forces --- well, let's say the CSTO - with Belarus and Kazakhstan.
      1. Belarus
        Belarus 11 December 2015 06: 57 New
        +7
        Тоже мне Вы нашли союзников.Один "лучше" другого.У РФ только два верных союзника и точка.Это утверждение проверено временем и фактами.
        1. atalef
          atalef 11 December 2015 20: 07 New
          -1
          Quote: Belarus
          Тоже мне Вы нашли союзников.Один "лучше" другого.У РФ только два верных союзника и точка.Это утверждение проверено временем и фактами.

          Ie VKS and EW from the allies you removed? belay
      2. kil 31
        kil 31 11 December 2015 07: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Belarus
        The Syrian leadership itself will not do anything here. Unless it may turn to the Russian Aerospace Forces for help in resolving this issue. And then it will be seen what will happen.

        Yes, they have long since appealed and will gladly accept the input of forces --- well, let's say the CSTO - with Belarus and Kazakhstan.

        Let Assad ask you. You will not go down far from the gollan, at the same time you will control the Hezbollah so that after the war they would not bring weapons home. 100% will not be bombed.
        1. atalef
          atalef 11 December 2015 20: 09 New
          0
          Quote: keel 31
          Let Assad ask you

          Something tells me that he won’t ask laughing
          Quote: keel 31
          You are not far from go down,

          Yes, not so long ago I sent pictures to everyone
          Quote: keel 31
          at the same time, make sure that you don’t bring weapons home after the war

          They will bring it. although we bomb from almost every other day.
      3. Banshee
        Banshee 11 December 2015 08: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Yes, they have long since appealed and will gladly accept the input of forces --- well, let's say the CSTO - with Belarus and Kazakhstan.


        It’s better to turn to Israel. Yours and the theater know better, and the preparation is better. laughing
  7. DIMA45R
    DIMA45R 11 December 2015 06: 47 New
    12
    Прощупывают, если им позволяют "случайно промахиваться" то они будут наращивать "промахи", а дальше и промахами это перестанут называть...
  8. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 11 December 2015 06: 47 New
    +2
    Mattresses are more harmful in the fight against the igil than they are at war with them. The entry of Turkish troops into Iraq says the same thing.
  9. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 11 December 2015 06: 48 New
    11
    The desire to start a war with Russia on foreign territory is clearly visible.
  10. ARES623
    ARES623 11 December 2015 06: 49 New
    +5
    Надо им "Бук" поставить для тактической ПВО, глядишь, янки "ошибаться" перестанут. А лучше их оттуда нагнать. От таких "союзников" никакой пользы, кроме вреда.
    1. DIMA45R
      DIMA45R 11 December 2015 06: 58 New
      +1
      We can’t catch up yet. they were the first to start fighting terrorism. I wonder how many times under their laws it is allowed to miss, to justifiably call such an attack on the army of a sovereign state?
      1. perm23
        perm23 11 December 2015 08: 02 New
        +1
        Let Syria fight in the UN. No one has the right, without her permission, to act on its territory.
    2. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 11 December 2015 07: 54 New
      0
      The Syrian army has normal air defense. They can pinch amers even without our help. But what will be the consequences for them then? Therefore, the command to open fire and no.
      1. Watchdog
        Watchdog 11 December 2015 08: 55 New
        +5
        What kind? They will be destroyed anyway! America will not back down. There will be no other solution. Or the US will experience this shock, which will make taxpayers think about whether their money is going or Syria will fall. There is no alternative. There will be no replay in this field!
  11. sergant1.1
    sergant1.1 11 December 2015 06: 54 New
    +3
    They want to provoke ours to open a no-fly zone. Or some other sharp actions. In general, they will crack us like a pear.
  12. Aleksander
    Aleksander 11 December 2015 06: 55 New
    +6
    And how many comments were there that with the installation of With 400 everyone should now ask permission from Russia to fly in the sky of Syria! So they asked. It will be even more interesting if the planes belonged to Turkey.
    The situation is very poor, and you can’t answer and don’t answer ....
    1. perm23
      perm23 11 December 2015 08: 01 New
      +3
      So they asked us. And we ourselves are also good. We called all partners for a joint fight against evil. That evil has come. Why the heck we generally called them, let's fight together. Full idiocy we inform the Americans where we are flying, when we fly, they were invited to fight together and what they got was Su-24 and ATS soldiers killed by mistake. Excuse me, such assistants are needed.
      1. 0255
        0255 11 December 2015 10: 41 New
        0
        Quote: perm23
        So they asked us. And we ourselves are also good. We called all partners for a joint fight against evil. That evil has come. Why the heck we generally called them, let's fight together. Full idiocy we inform the Americans where we are flying, when we fly, they were invited to fight together and what they got was Su-24 and ATS soldiers killed by mistake. Excuse me, such assistants are needed.

        The United States has been bombing Syria for more than a year under the pretext of ISIS, even earlier they shouted that the Russian Federation should help them. With the start of the operation, the Russian U.S. Air Force began to shout that the Russian Federation was bombing the wrong people, they sent the Turkish F-16 to Su-24 from Avax, bombed the Syrian army.
  13. Taygerus
    Taygerus 11 December 2015 06: 56 New
    +1
    Well, aren’t they tsuki, everything is done on purpose, they are covering up their jackals, what kind of coalition to combat IS, when they directly support them, we also need to smear tries somewhere ...
  14. morpogr
    morpogr 11 December 2015 06: 57 New
    +1
    Срочно усилить Сирийской армии войсковую пво . И показательно наказать летательный объект коалиции чтоб в следующий раз не промахивались и знали кого бомбить. А Россия может дать средства пво в аренду на время проведения операции против террористов. Глядишь и "партнёры"с вассалами сговорчивее станут.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 11 December 2015 09: 27 New
      0
      Something tells me that the gallant Syrian squadrons will willingly give up the right to bring down an American plane to ours - why should they cling to such trouble ?!
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 11 December 2015 12: 35 New
      0
      The problem is knock down. DeZ does not have its own serious air defense (S-125 positions were destroyed long ago by themselves so that the broads would not get it).

      You can get there only by helicopters and with battle. You can seat the IL with a beech, but the risk is high that the IL will catch the ATGM or the projectile, because the field and parking are shot through.

      A beech located in the territory controlled by the government with a message (to take it) does not reach the DeZ area. Shoot down on the approach and retreat does not dare. The radar field over DeXNUMX is also dense.

      Options, only to watch the MiG-29 SAR, but without guidance from the ground they would rather be knocked down themselves and say it was. They are pulling the A-50 AWACS - so Russia will be blamed for everything.

      Yes, and the very fact of the downing of the Americans is unpredictable, they certainly will not be limited to sanctions and a ban on tomatoes.
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  17. Domino45
    Domino45 11 December 2015 06: 59 New
    +2
    Не понимаю. Почему бригадный генерал не может запретить "мазилам" летать над ВС Сирии. Так им исказать: идитека пока потренируйтесь у себя в своей стране.
  18. Svarog5570
    Svarog5570 11 December 2015 07: 02 New
    11
    надо правительству Сирии объявить страну безполётной зоной для иностранного контингета и попросить Россию поддержать её решение, а наши могут типа передать сирийской армии комплексы ПВО управлять которыми будут суровые "сирийцы" славянской внешности. Может после того как парочку матрасов встряхнут в воздухе американцы почешут в опе ведь там у них мозг находится. пора им спеси поубавить.
  19. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 11 December 2015 07: 05 New
    +5
    It’s time for the Syrians to miss the planes!
  20. tomcat117
    tomcat117 11 December 2015 07: 05 New
    +3
    Самолёты американской коалиции снова "промахнулись", нанеся очередной удар по позициям ВС Сирии...

    ... и вроде бы САР применяет по ним "случайно" средства переносного или мобильного ПВО.
    Reaction: the USA - it’s not we who bombed, the Syrians - but we didn’t shoot it down, that’s fine! Everyone is happy, everyone is laughing, especially the US.
  21. Junior, I
    Junior, I 11 December 2015 07: 06 New
    +2
    It's time to blind the coalition, and it is better to destroy their on-board electronics.
    1. Banshee
      Banshee 11 December 2015 09: 02 New
      0
      Who's stopping you? Blind, destroy.
  22. sl22277
    sl22277 11 December 2015 07: 07 New
    +2
    It’s time for Russia to establish a no-fly zone over the whole of Syria. To close the fuck and all things ..., otherwise such cases will go on increasing.
  23. zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 11 December 2015 07: 07 New
    +1
    And not the last mistake, Syria and the Russian Federation can only protest and resent at the diplomatic level, since a direct conflict with NATO is excluded. You will have to endure vile stabs in the back until victory over the IS or at least the expulsion of terrorists from Syria.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2015 08: 29 New
      +5
      Quote: zekaze1980
      Have to endure vile stabs in the back

      We bomb those who are supported by the United States, and the United States bomb those whom we support. Moreover, the United States does not prevent us from bombing those, and we do not prevent from bombing these. This is such a strange warrior.
      1. nekot
        nekot 11 December 2015 08: 55 New
        0
        Действительно непонятно, где ПВО Сирии, тем более если наши ВКС их предупредили? Боятся дать повод амерам официально начать бомбардировки правительственных войск? Так они уже бомбят и дальше будет больше. Еще проходила информация со ссылкой на иракские источники, что арабские "друзья Асада" (сайдиты, Катар и т.п.) договариваются ввести 100тыс контингент в Сирию "для борьбы с ИГИЛ". Если договорятся то каюк, тактическое ЯО мы явно применять не будем.
      2. Banshee
        Banshee 11 December 2015 09: 02 New
        0
        The best wording of what is happening!
      3. Svetlana
        Svetlana 11 December 2015 10: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Here is such a strange warrior.

        Да уж, странного и непонятного для нас много. Непонятно было, почему так долго мы не помогали своми ВС Асаду, почему только сейчас, не поздновато-ли? Непонятно было, почему Россия, фактически находясь в конфронтации с Западом, объявляя всему миру, что ИГИЛ (или как там теперь его надо называть) - детище США, но при этом постоянно ведет переговоры с ними о совместной борьбе с терроризмом, нелогично это. Сил у нас одних маловато для борьбы с терроризмом, это понятно. Но нам по телеку показывали, как мы успешно и эффективно, в отличие от США, уничтожаем его в Сирии. Так почему тогда надо было в союзники брать тех, кто "породил" терроризм? Это непонятно. Мы много чего не знаем, а, точнее сказать, вообще, практически, ничего, но то, что видим из новостей - крайне противоречиво одно другому.
  24. paxil
    paxil 11 December 2015 07: 08 New
    -1
    Yola Pala have the same Tunguska and shells from the SAR why they do not cover their advancing troops or they, too, like ours until the thunder strikes request I won’t be surprised if they are Saudi or Qatari, then the Yankees will again declare that they did not act within the framework of the coalition. In a generally strange coalition, they do everything they want, the right hand does not know what everyone’s left does their own interests.
  25. pvv113
    pvv113 11 December 2015 07: 10 New
    -2
    the aviation of the so-called American anti-terrorist coalition once again strangely “missed” and dealt a blow to the Syrian military.

    You need to learn freaks, or better yet, to teach a lesson to discourage all desire
  26. Sergey Vladimirovich
    Sergey Vladimirovich 11 December 2015 07: 12 New
    +1
    Вот и определились кто за что воюет. Сначала заявление о нехватке боеприпасов для нанесения ударов по "террористам", теперь два откровенных "промаха". Получили боеприпасы? Но расстреливать свое детище жалко, пока оно еще не выполнило своего предназначения. Можно и "помочь" ему под шумок, прикинувшись дурачками...
  27. renics
    renics 11 December 2015 07: 19 New
    0
    And in this case it is necessary to bring down, not only Russian can be brought down, then it will not be common.
  28. magician
    magician 11 December 2015 07: 21 New
    -1
    misses become a regularity. it’s clear who, with whom and for what is fighting. It is necessary to transfer the theater of war to the territory of the USSR, the address has long been known.
    1. renics
      renics 11 December 2015 13: 28 New
      0
      This is the right idea, the whole world community needs to create and bring about the same terrorist situation. What the United States creates around the world, on the territory of the United States themselves. So that they realize their perniciousness of their political line for themselves. Thus creating protest moods in the USA, which could change the power structures both in the White House and in the Congress and Senate.
  29. radogost
    radogost 11 December 2015 07: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Mihalich17
    Значит надо ПВО тоже "промахнуться"! )))
    И прям очень и очень "извиниться"! )))
    Типа: "Ой, так это вы, что-ли были? Да нууу...".
    "Ну, извинитя!"

    Then the NOISE WILL BE OH-OH-OH.
    They are people, we are all subhuman wassat
  30. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 11 December 2015 07: 25 New
    0
    -Where do you hit, one-eyed?
    -I'm not one-eyed
    - Well ... now one-eyed?
  31. Migor102
    Migor102 11 December 2015 07: 26 New
    +1
    and who said that they are blind .........
  32. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 11 December 2015 07: 28 New
    +4
    Асаду нужно бы через ООН официально объявить над всей Сирией бесполётную зону.Да взять у нас хоть БУКи, хоть С-300/400. Ведь эта "коалиция" летает там совершенно незаконно, в отличии от нас. И тогда сшибать всех и вся на законном основании (кроме ВКС РФ) wink Tougher with amers, BUT! Legally.
    1. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs 11 December 2015 10: 07 New
      0
      Quote: LERTZ
      Assad would need to officially declare a no-fly zone over the whole of Syria through the UN.

      This is a joke, right? With such a powerful US influence in the UN.
      И кроме того, Вы мне скажите, с каких пор суверенная страна чтобы закрыть СВОЁ воздушное пространство, должна обращаться в ООН? Сбивать они их могут уже сейчас. Но что потом? Американцы же не бомбят силы Асада. Они "ошибаются". А так то они ИГИЛ летели бомбить, честно-честно.
    2. Countermeasure
      Countermeasure 11 December 2015 13: 16 New
      0
      Вы такую резолюцию через ООН не сможете протащить, "друзья" наложат вето.
    3. Countermeasure
      Countermeasure 11 December 2015 13: 16 New
      0
      Вы такую резолюцию через ООН не сможете протащить, "друзья" наложат вето.
      1. cergey51046
        cergey51046 12 December 2015 20: 07 New
        0
        There is no need to drag, declare and shoot down violators.
  33. Tjeck
    Tjeck 11 December 2015 07: 28 New
    +3
    Of course, you can continue to politely blame the Americans, but it seems to me that we should have missed once and again .. History says that Americans understand the language of power best of all. So it’s necessary to introduce a no-fly zone, for which purpose did the S-400 itself be transferred?
    1. perm23
      perm23 11 December 2015 07: 55 New
      +2
      I’m also interested, but that our air defense is there just for beauty.
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      2. KBR109
        KBR109 11 December 2015 10: 24 New
        0
        Afraid - don't do it. Do it - do not be afraid. Something like that. am
  34. demo
    demo 11 December 2015 07: 29 New
    +6
    The height of cynicism, arrogance, neglect of all the norms of morality, conscience and all that should be present in normal people.
    This is not the country of a victorious democracy that can act this way, but a street scumbag that bends to the last and waits when they give a nod to the answer.

    And the saddest thing is that such sub-tactics will be applied by them constantly.
    To my tears, I feel sorry for both my country and my people for having to live in an environment surrounded by bastards.
  35. BOB044
    BOB044 11 December 2015 07: 30 New
    0
    Mattresses are mattresses. They only meanness and live. But the day will come and they will have to regret what was done.
  36. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 11 December 2015 07: 36 New
    +2
    It’s not Mozilla who specifically bombed the positions of the ATS army, they do not want the Russian Federation together with the ATS to defeat the IG. It's time to put this coalition together with the United States. One thing I don’t understand is why the UN international community is silent, etc.
  37. cergey51046
    cergey51046 11 December 2015 07: 38 New
    +2
    Shoot down uninvited invaders.
    1. gg.na
      gg.na 11 December 2015 07: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: cergey51046
      Shoot down uninvited invaders.

      Well, by chance, too, miss the s-400 too then stupidly apologize repeat !!! wassat
  38. Teplohod
    Teplohod 11 December 2015 07: 41 New
    0
    Nothing surprising and quite expected, judging by the news that the media are telling us. Our media leadership is not looking?
    1. Valenok
      Valenok 12 December 2015 20: 20 New
      0
      our guide is not a reader - it is a writer ..)
  39. shimus
    shimus 11 December 2015 07: 45 New
    0
    В ответ на промахи США, вооруженные силы Сирии вправе "по ошибке" сбить их бомбардировщик, приняв его за бомбардировщик ИГИЛ!
  40. Glock
    Glock 11 December 2015 07: 47 New
    +1
    I would like this wink
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  42. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 11 December 2015 07: 51 New
    0
    You must first apologize, and then accidentally bring down their plane ....
  43. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 11 December 2015 07: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Alexej
    Quote: olf
    Is our C-400 missing? It’s time already, to try it in practice.

    Неправильная формулировка. "Случайно сбить." "Не знали что это американский самолет".


    Что то подобное мы от турок слышали - "не знали, что это русский самолёт".
  44. perm23
    perm23 11 December 2015 07: 54 New
    +2
    Syria at the UN should demand that all the forces of foreign countries that it did not invite must leave the country before receiving an official invitation. Otherwise, Syria will bring down everything in its space. Only here if Assad and we will not sleep.
    And ours also needs to be made clear to the United States that there is no need to fly there. Well, these are all words, but we must act. So far, in my opinion, only this way.
  45. Prince Bulls
    Prince Bulls 11 December 2015 07: 56 New
    +3
    How long will this disgrace continue?!?! am
  46. gg.na
    gg.na 11 December 2015 07: 56 New
    0
    What do they think (if they can think at all) what kind of things will they not be responsible for ?! am God, he is not a fraer, he will put everyone on the rank and hand over what is supposed to be, no one will get out. And then he’ll catch up and add! yes
  47. There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 11 December 2015 07: 59 New
    +1
    After the first time it was necessary to make a warning and shoot down am
  48. Zomanus
    Zomanus 11 December 2015 08: 02 New
    +1
    Вот бы где нашу "Вербу" испытать.
    Make an ambush and throttle star-striped.
    And at the place of ambush, leave the shot stinger and the Igilov banner.
    And repeat until it reaches them.
  49. V.ic
    V.ic 11 December 2015 08: 03 New
    +7
    Significantly bring down the attacking plane is. Firstly, there was a precedent a couple (?) Years ago with the shooting of a Turkish plane by the Syrians, the Turks and the Yankees were wiped out. No one can forbid the person who is being killed to adequately respond to the killers (necessary self-defense).
    1. Things
      Things 11 December 2015 12: 56 New
      0
      Quote: V.ic
      Significantly bring down the attacking plane is. Firstly, there was a precedent a couple (?) Years ago with the Turkish aircraft being shot down by the Syrians, the Turks and the Yankees were wiped out.

      The current conditions are really worth it.
      In fact, Syria does not lose anything - it is already being destroyed with impunity by the hands of ISIS, then through the Turks, then directly by the US aviation.
      By the way, why can’t you turn to the UN to provide observers (inspectors) to every Syrian army unit — for monitoring and analysis ?!
      Пусть полюбуются лично,как "случайно" бомбят сирийцев и как "случайно" не бомбят ИГИЛ!
  50. Bubyr
    Bubyr 11 December 2015 08: 06 New
    +3
    I think it's time to put Assad S-300. We will solve many problems at once.
    1. Djubal
      Djubal 11 December 2015 14: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Bubyr
      We will solve many problems at once.

      is not a fact. American anti-Assad-faced women will enthusiastically accept the downing of their plane, inflate the hysteria in the media and allow themselves to bomb Syria into dust. And who is there peaceful who is not peaceful will not sort out the habit. Such an octopus is uselessly slamming tentacles, you need to hit your head, but this is never easy. It would be great to transfer at least one of the wars that phasington fanned to FSA ...
    2. Nirvanko
      Nirvanko 13 December 2015 18: 15 New
      0
      No, you need to have steel eggs yourself. You won’t hide behind others for a long time: be it Donbass or Syria. Time to make decisions.