McCain demands to stop procurement of rocket engines in Russia

US Senator John McCain said that it was time to finally ban the use of Russian-made engines for the US space industry. We are talking about the RD-180 rocket engines, for the purchase of which in the next year there is a point in the federal American budget. It is reported news agency TASS.

McCain sent a letter to the Pentagon addressed to his head, Ashton Carter, in which he threatened that the Senate could impose a total ban on the acquisition of engines built in Russia for American space needs.

It should be noted that the RD-180 rocket engines are purchased by United Launch Alliance (ULA) for use in Atlas V rockets. Without Russian engines, the concept of "American space" for a while can actually become history, as US astronauts are delivered to the ISS by Russian ships, and American missiles will not take off without Russian power plants. This year, ULA has acquired five RD-180 engines in Russia, and in 2016 it plans to acquire four more.

If the US parliament plans to ban the company from acquiring Russian power units for the US rocket and space industry, then Mr. McCain will only have to applaud such a decision and his lobbying ... Apparently, without the help of old Joe, Russia will not impose sanctions against the US in the space industry.

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[sever.56]

I also demand a ban on the sale of our engines to the Americans!

[cniza]

Quote: sever.56

I also demand a ban on the sale of our engines to the Americans!

As Rogozin said ... they will fly on trampolines ...

[Karayakupovo]

And let McCain himself buy these trampolines in Ukraine. Politically correct. And if they can’t go into space like that, then Ukraine will be to blame. Like, trampolines of the wrong system.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: cniza

As Rogozin said

what news did he have
with reference to TASS - http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2515352

[Finntroll]

I’ll clarify on UKRAINIAN trampolines. In NASA, they’ll put it right from the Maidan But the most important thing at the same time is to pronounce loudly, clearly, with the intonation of the "magic" words: "That is not a jump, that is"

[Pomor]

Definitely, only megabytes

[Penetrator]

Quote: Vladimir

Sorry puppy ...

Nothing, they can easily find a common language. Johnny has just the intelligence of a three-month-old Labrador puppy.

[Temples]

Do not insult the dog !!!
She and so it is not easy to pretend to be more stupid than the owner.

[Kostyar]

Here is the old woman, still alive ...?!
How all the same, such geeks (Brzezinski, etc.) cling to life, and good people leave before they let go, a paradox ...?!

[aleks 62 next]

.... How all the same, such geeks (Brzezinski, etc.) cling to life, and good people leave before they let go, a paradox ...?!

... It's simple .... Grandmothers are - and they live for a long time .... You can’t buy health for money, but you can fix it very well .... What are they doing .... Regularly ...

[Hyppopotut]

God takes the best to himself. And leaves on the ground. Why would he get dirty ...

[shooter18]

This Russophobe is still alive ?? when will he die already? he is a hundred years old at lunch ..

[kil 31]

They said on TV that he had revealed the secret of the white house. He said that B.D. collects and sends a contingent of several thousand ground forces from Qatar, the UAE, Saudis, etc. to Syria.

[Tor5]

Well, well, maybe on "special purpose" balloons, well, such, in pimples with different flavors?

[Dmitry 2246]

The old man successfully advertises our engines. But you still need to fly to the ISS.

[Lukich]

Quote: sever.56

I also demand a ban on the sale of our engines to the Americans!

trampolines - please

[drundel861]

Quote: sever.56

I also demand a ban on the sale of our engines to the Americans!

and also the author well done:
then such a decision and its lobbying Mr. McCaimno we can only applaud ...
toli gaspodin toli

[ilya_oz]

Well, in vain. They can launch satellites on Falcon, although it will be more expensive. But our manufacturers will definitely become worse.

[ilya_oz]

I wonder what minusers disagree with? The fact that the Americans quietly without us produce Falcon rockets or that our engine builders will be worse off by reducing the number of orders.

[A-Sim]

Well done! Turn the pedals!

[Decathlon]

"... the Senate may impose a complete ban ..."
In the Senate, the same nerds are sitting, or is the adequate network too ?!

[theodore rasp]

Adequate even at the stage of preliminary selection cut off.

[Patriot 1]

And in his hands he holds his receiver ... Well, well, this is not a bad option for us ... In terms of mental development, I think the receiver will be an order of magnitude higher

[rassom]

who cares what this person says?

[dchegrinec]

The evil dwarf was raging again! Yes, even from today! In general, America does not sell anything to anyone. Let them be independent until the end!

[Mountain shooter]

Probably McCain invented a new type of trampoline for space flights.

[1536]

McCain is a Russian spy (scout) recruited by the KGB in Vietnam. We never doubted it.

[Kibl]

Finally he moved his head, the entire mattress space program will be covered with a basin. Although ......

[spech]

Trampolines, catapults "Made in uckrop" to help, ask Mishiko the fool then just fly away.
ps damn how it lifted up, he has long been put in hell absenteeism

[rusaiaiBishkek]

due to the crisis, it is necessary to raise the price of the engine. for amers special. price. provide a discount if McCain is sent into space without a suit.

[DenZ]

McCain must leave!

[pts-m]

Tsey McCuckain probably decided to be a rocket drive himself, pedaling and proud of himself as a patriot fsh. His friends from urine are already fiddling with a fifth point in search of the “truth” for Russia and turned on the urine gas discounts.

[ser-pov]

In the photo, two young men are the same from the face! True puppy looks smarter ...

[Amurets]

Acts like Ukrainians. Better we won’t buy engines and fly into space than pay Russia for engines and we will pay Russia for US cargo delivered to the ISS,

[Armored optimist]

Once he almost drowned his native aircraft carrier, now it destroys NASA.

[provincial]

Grandfather well done, our man.

[Averias]

Who about what, and McCain is dreaming about trampolines.

[shuhartred]

Quote: Averias

Who about what, and McCain is dreaming about trampolines.

This is all of course great, cheers, Americans on trampolines, etc. But there are two points:
1. Not so long ago there was infa that the Americans are going to establish pr-in their own engines based on some old developments (Saturn or something like that)
2. Our company produces these engines. How are they doing with orders?
And McCain can only be advised one thing, "say what you think, but think what you say"

[NEXUS]

Quote: shuhartred

1. Not so long ago there was infa that the Americans are going to establish pr-in their own engines based on some old developments (Saturn or something like that)

If everything was so simple, the mattresses would have set up production long ago, and had not bought engines from us, and did not try to upgrade them, asking the Ukrainians about it, after which their rocket was covered with a copper basin.
Even if they raised all the documentation on old engines, it would take at least 7-8 years to develop, construct a prototype, and test it (according to the most conservative estimates).
And if everything would be so simple, the mattresses would have established everything long ago and created the production of their engines, given their pragmatism. But ...

[Averias]

Quote: shuhartred

This is all of course great, cheers, Americans on trampolines, etc. But there are two points:

Yes, where does the hooray and so on. The point is not who will do what and who will buy from whom. I actually joked.
About the project you are talking about, they have been "dusting" their eyes for many years. This project has more questions than answers. And even about "running in" and getting the project into "people" - it is still a long time and very expensive. They, for example, have been spreading rumors for ten years about a certain plasma-ion engine that will "turn" the space industry and "open the" road "to the stars. Even the installation itself is shown who has seen and understands, they smile without any comments ...

My comment was about McCain and his stupidity.

[DobryAAH]

This is the enemy of American astronautics. He was going to fly on trampolines.

[samara-58]

What big trampoline need to be sewn, where so many elastic bands to take? Again from Russia to buy? !!

[NEXUS]

"Quietly rustling with slate, the roof is going slowly" ... this desman is ready at least to grab his ass, just to show how he hates Russia and everything Russian. He doesn't even need to smoke, he apparently did an unsuccessful lobotomy in the zindan, here he is now smiling.

[nemec55]

We have no reason to cancel deliveries while we pay sell.
Everyone really understands that work on the engine is in full swing in America and our refusal to sell will only accelerate this process, so we are better off selling as much and as long as possible
And for those who (in spite of grandmother na.ru in their pants) the circus left, a tough polit and economical war began that could break out and go hot without Americans directly but a hundred pounds with the participation of Russia because these traglodytes do not work differently.

[BOB044]

Old senile McCain, apparently he still got a head injury. When his plane in the first battle shot down in Vietnam.

[Amurets]

Quote: BOB044

tara insane McCain, apparently he still got a head injury. When his plane in the first battle shot down in Vietnam

It is necessary to regret that our missile launchers did not have more powerful warheads on the S-75. Unfortunately, they appeared later. Otherwise, this adventure would not end by swimming in the lake. But the hatred for our air defense and S-75 air defense systems remained for life. really give him a mock SAM system for his birthday and grandfather will calm down

[Andrew]

I applaud while standing!

[Gunther]

Well, what kind of wick was Johnny inserted in Vietnam that he still can’t calm down?
ULA does not buy our engines from a good life, they are forced to, and it’s not the eccentric McCain to climb where he understands like a pig in oranges.

[Vladimir 1964]

McCain sent a letter to the Pentagon addressed to his head, Ashton Carter, in which he threatened that the Senate could impose a total ban on the acquisition of engines built in Russia for American space needs.

Yes, the old man's "hobby" is just that, he likes to be "in good shape" himself and to try to pull on others.
The budget has already been signed by all branches of the American government, and changing it is a fantasy. Although of course I have a question in my head: why does he really need this? The truth is not even an approximate answer.

[Vladimir 1964]

Wow, it’s easier to commute so many minuses. It was interesting not too lazy.

[samara-58]

This is probably McCain !!!

[Puler]

Macentia begins to itch with the sound of Russian rocket engines ... tell him that the trampoline is almost without noise ... I checked.

[rotmistr60]

There is little demand from McCain. He was not friends with his head from youth. If it were not for the high position of the dad, then in the 60s he would go to prison for the destruction of military property and equipment. Another thing is that such a shell-shock is supported in the Senate (I’m not talking about the engines now), so the Senate is shell-shocked too. And the conversation about rocket engines has been going on for a long time and not in favor of McCain.

[Svetlana]

Quote: rotmistr60

Another thing is that such a shell-shock is supported in the Senate (I’m not talking about the engines now), so the Senate is shell-shocked too.

The world is ruled by evil, in all countries leading and secondary, but having some significance, shell-shocked people are sitting in the government. Our country is no exception. And it was not without reason that they shoved them there. Someone needs humanity to destroy itself in the end. For this, Satanists introduce pederasty, pedophilia, juvenile justice, drug addiction, alcoholism, all sorts of sects and religions, etc. According to ancient prophecies, a turning point will soon come. If we want to live on our Earth and do not allow ourselves to destroy.

[donavi49]

If the US parliament plans to ban the company from acquiring Russian power units for the US rocket and space industry, then Mr. McCain will only have to applaud such a decision and his lobbying ... Apparently, without the help of old Joe, Russia will not impose sanctions against the US in the space industry.

Not really, Atlases (direct purchases) and Antares will fly out. Deltas will remain, Delta4 is more expensive, but in principle it completely covers the Atlas, but again more expensive.

Atlas has 8 launches in the year 15 (100% success), 11 the next year of which 3 are military. Antares is a new rocket, after the explosion it is being redone this year there are no launches next summer or autumn, as they will finish it. Antares is planned to be used on the ISS and research satellites (not even dual-use).

[Tanker55]

These are pensioners in Americos-Wonderland. Imagine in his hands Yatsenyukha or Patrashenko !!!

[Alexander 3]

Not all politicians have an engineering, technical mentality. These (not all) behave like women, for them logical, technical thinking is superfluous. There is nothing to spend a meager mind on these excesses, it’s better to say, or give whatever, to achieve momentary ghostly goal. They then speak (the devil beguiled).

[brasist]

It was apparently apparently him (McCain) that the Vietnamese at one time loved ...

[Ilya_GN]

I propose to write a petition! Collect signatures from Russians. And direct to the white house.
The text.
It is necessary to support the American Senator D. McCain and help in the US Senate to impose a ban on the purchase of RD-180 engines from Russia.
Russia to impose sanctions on the sale to any NATO countries and in the coalition with them the sale of engines. Sanctions imposed for a period of 10 years.
The US astronaut in connection with the sanctions did not return to earth using spacecraft using the P-180.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Ilya_GN

I propose to write a petition! Collect signatures from Russians. And direct to the white house.
The text.
It is necessary to support the American Senator D. McCain and help in the US Senate to impose a ban on the purchase of RD-180 engines from Russia.

Stupidity. Thanks to this, our people actually receive salaries. Why exacerbate? Let them earn, this is not forever. The USA is not Ukraine, if they need it they will make their engine, although not immediately.

[Ilya_GN]

Of course stupidity!
In which line is there even a fraction of the reasonable? :)

[Gormenghast]

U.S. astronaut in connection with the sanctions do not return to earth

is a good option. In the 90s, ghouls portrayed the Russian cosmonaut Andropov, "forgotten"on the space station (" Armageddon "), which looked like a clear schizoid, down and an alcoholic in one bottle, so it was possible to translate it into reality with the opposite sign.

Or set the price for saving an ordinary Brian - 1000 tons of gold.

And still not to supply Boeing with titanium - let them fly on plywood planes.

And also not to supply iridium - so that rednecks from SUVs would move, like the old one, to horses.

[BARKHAN]

By the way, if you look closely at the film "Armageddon", then it was cosmonaut Lev Andropov who saved the entire mission, and hence the planet.

[Wolka]

this old man is again promoting himself, bluffing, because he perfectly understands that the Yankees will not be able to carry their "eggplants" into space without our engines ...

[Gunther]

Vladimir 1964 (2) Quote:
Wow, it’s easier to commute so many minuses. It was interesting not too lazy.

Relatives of McCain among us)))

[Gormenghast]

From a psychological point of view (see the illustration for the article), animal gathering is often accompanied by other psychological / neurological problems, for example, anxiety, depression, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), dementia and more

Generally - a foolish comrade.

As for the engines, RSC Energia trades in products of the highest, unattainable, technical level; in the price / efficiency ratio, there is no equal liquid engine and will never be anywhere else. Energia trades profitably (not like the Yeltsinoids, for a penny) - so the issue of selling / not selling is a political issue; the economy is all right. Are we selling gas to Ukrainian villains and European instigators? No need to chop off the shoulder.

[MATROSKIN-53]

It's time to stop selling US rocket engines. Can do it yourself? Let them do it! They have done a lot of things that do not swim or fly. Let them dare! This is not a matter of one year. But our people didn’t have decent salaries. Although we sell everything left and right ...

[Mama_Cholli]

Sometimes, even sober minds like McCain’s head are sober thoughts ...

[Flash]

It looks like he has shrapnel in his head since the Vietnam War.
And about selling or not? Of course to sell, our workers receive a salary from these sales, Russian missile technologies occupy the market, well, we need to develop production further from profit, develop new engines and technologies, then in this industry we will be ahead of the rest.

[Funnels]

Probably the first time I agree with him. Sanctions are sanctions.

[Denis Skiff]

McCain demands from the Russians to stop bullying

Enough Russians to publish over the downed pilot.

[NDA]

Stop selling engines! And drop the ISS on his head and at the same time say "Bro, sorry, wrong coordinates"

[art 230]

yes ... He demands to stop the purchase of Russian rocket engines and urgently start production of super trampolines to launch astronauts into low Earth orbit.

[Zoriz]

Come on ... the mattress mats have had an alternative engine for a long time already - a few years ago there was a feature report about it ... in cinemas ... "Thunder in Pants" is called

https://youtu.be/m7ga1X8ziZM

[triglav]

The old man has long moved his mind. You’ll fly on something: on a gas piston?

[LTL70]

I thought - he had already passed away, a filthy bastard, but no, it was again indicated !!!!

[Old26]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: shuhartred

1. Not so long ago there was infa that the Americans are going to establish pr-in their own engines based on some old developments (Saturn or something like that)

If everything was so simple, the mattresses would have set up production long ago, and had not bought engines from us, and did not try to upgrade them, asking the Ukrainians about it, after which their rocket was covered with a copper basin.
Even if they raised all the documentation on old engines, it would take at least 7-8 years to develop, construct a prototype, and test it (according to the most conservative estimates).
And if everything would be so simple, the mattresses would have established everything long ago and created the production of their engines, given their pragmatism. But ...

You will be terribly surprised, but the Americans are now testing (flight tests) engines, some of which in their performance characteristics are superior to those that they are now buying from us. Six months to a year, and they may no longer buy RD-180 from us.

The truth begs the question. What will happen to our plant ... Nobody needs these engines except the Americans. They are not used here. That is, by stopping the supply of these engines for Atlas and engines for Antares, we can put a big and fat end to our high-tech production, and it may well be necessary to reduce highly qualified personnel. But if we stop selling engines to the Americans, we will proceed according to the principle: "I WILL BE FROZEN ON GRANDMA'S EARS"

Quote: Amurets

Can really give him a mock SAM system for his birthday and grandfather will calm down

Maybe better than the real one? Launcher and product on it? He will put in his backyard and will fry a barbecue under it ...

Quote: donavi49

Not really, Atlases (direct purchases) and Antares will fly out. Deltas will remain, Delta4 is more expensive, but it basically completely closes the Atlas, but again more expensive

In addition to DELT, the Americans have Falcons, not to mention the smaller ones: Minotaurs, Athens and others. Also, deliveries of engines for ATLAS, ANTARES were paid, and flights of UNIONS were paid. We want not to sell engines to the Americans and not to bring them to the ISS - yes, easily. Just have to return a bunch of dibs (Engines for ANTARES purchased more than a billion bucks), Well? Will we pay for the outstanding contract? Plus forfeit? Just out of spite ??? Or will we still fulfill the signed contracts ??

[NEXUS]

Quote: Old26

You will be terribly surprised, but the Americans are now testing (flight tests) engines, some of which in their performance characteristics are superior to those that they are now buying from us. Six months to a year, and they may no longer buy RD-180 from us.

I'm not going to be surprised, all the more scary. Regarding "their performance characteristics are superior to the RD-180" ... I want to answer without any hap, I wish them good luck in this hopeless business.
And about-in a year or two they will have their own engine ... so I'm sorry, dreaming is not harmful. Believe me, neither in a year, nor in two, nor in five, the Americans will have anything even remotely resembling, and even more so superior according to performance characteristics and reliability of RD-180.
It makes no sense to argue ... time will judge us.
Best regards

[NEXUS]

Quote: Old26

That is, by stopping the supply of these engines for Atlas and engines for Antares, we can put a big and fat end to our high-tech production, and it may well be necessary to reduce highly qualified personnel. But if we stop selling engines to the Americans, we will act according to the principle: "I WILL FOOT GREAT'S EARS"

And I said somewhere that it’s against selling our engines to mattresses? Let them pay for the turn, thereby giving work to our enterprises and, of course, pouring money into OUR space program with this.

[Gormenghast]

Americans are now experiencing

There is a question of price, and a broader question of the ratio of efficiency / price.

in terms of their performance characteristics they are superior to those that they are now buying from us.

There are no such engines. In the class of oxygen-kerosene engines, the RD-180 has extreme characteristics. By maximum specific impulse and thrust-weight ratio. The specific impulse of any engine running on the same fuel (oxygen + kerosene) will be the greater, the greater the pressure in the combustion chamber. RD-180 has 263 atmospheres. This is the practical limit. A further increase in pressure leads to minimal benefit, since the graph of the specific impulse versus pressure in this part approaches a horizontal line. At the same time, the weight of the engine increases significantly, that is, the thrust-to-weight ratio decreases. And the price is rising generally in the cube.

Americans make excellent oxygen-hydrogen engines (albeit expensive), but they have nothing to do with the RD-180 - these are other engines and cannot be compared. Hydrogen fuel has an extremely low density, it requires huge isolated fuel tanks, and this is weight, and again weight. Therefore, hydrogen fuel is rarely used at launch stages (Delta-4 Heavy; fabulously expensive). And more often it comes with a plus of solid fuel boosters (Ariana-5 and Shuttle) or the same oxygen-kerosene (Energy).

What will happen to our factory ...

That's why I am for the sale.

In addition to the Americans, nobody needs these engines.

The Chinese have shown interest; while careful.

Americans have Falcons

This is the day before yesterday at the technical level (IMHO). If there is today, the price will immediately climb up steeply. Musk survives only through government order. Such is the private trader whose services are paid by the budget.

Or will we still fulfill the signed contracts ??

We will execute and sell amazing engines. It would be nice to finish off the RD-701 (operating pressure 296 atmospheres; there are no analogues to this dual-mode engine) and RD-0146D (in general, the efficiency limit for any hydrogen LPRE). I may also be for punishing the pindo vivisectors, but not in this case; better let them get paid.