Production of new missile carriers will begin in the early 2020-ies

The Defense Ministry will begin to receive new strategic bombers Tu-160М2 no later than 2023 g, leads Rossiyskaya Gazeta the message of the deputy head of the military department, Yuri Borisov.

“It will be a new aircraft, completely digital, with a completely updated avionics. In addition to electronics, rocket carriers will use new materials. ”, - said the general on the air "Russia-24".

However, he noted that "the performance of the Tu-160 has not yet been surpassed."

The newspaper reminds that in April, Sergei Shoigu instructed "to work out the issue of resuming the production of Tu-160 at the Kazan aircraft factory in a deeply modernized version." According to military experts, the effectiveness of the upgraded bomber will increase 2,5 times.

Comments

[Wiruz]

Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen?

[Denis Obukhov]

Very correct decision.

Firstly, the aircraft is successful and plays an important role in the nuclear arsenal (especially taking into account the possible further deployment of missile defense). Missiles to it, by the way, are also developing new ones (and in the future, hypersonic ones on the way).

Secondly, this is the development of the domestic aircraft industry, the preservation and restoration of competencies, work for a variety of related industries, including dual-use technologies that can be used in the civil aircraft industry (so as not to assemble Superjets from imported parts). Kazan aircraft plant is not only bombers, but also Tu-214 and Tu-334-100.

In general, it is time to appoint Shoigu as the chairman of the government - you see, things will go smoothly throughout the country, and not just in the defense industry.

[Civil]

"In the Nizhny Novgorod region, the budget deficit was overcome in a very peculiar way. Based on the principle of" no source of expenses, no problem, "the only children's hospital in the city was closed in the Navashinsky regional hospital. And before that the maternity ward and the morgue were liquidated. The hospital was compacted: now sick children are placed In the wards for adults. There were 40 beds in the children's department of the Navashinsky Central Regional Hospital. Last year, with a card index for 3862 children, the number of beds was reduced to 10, but they did not stop there either - to 6, "the channel's report says.

This is only for today, what other bombers ????

[mast]

The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's !!!

[Civil]

Quote: mast

The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's !!!

And who will feed any army if there is no children's hospital ?! Do you have logic or "women give birth" ?! And nothing that the population is declining?

[theadenter]

But where does the army and its budget ?! The closure of hospitals and schools is an unequivocal anti-people miscalculation of pest managers in the government.
Do you think if they cut the military budget, they will immediately set up hospital schools?
How can you be so naive?

[Maks-80]

In the 90 years, EBN almost completely destroyed the army and didn’t see that in those days hospitals, schools and kindergartens would be built as much as possible, as well as the birth rate

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: mast

The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's !!!

Civil does not tell you that there is no need to build.
As I understand it, he is confused by the genocide of the civilian population.
Hosh is not hosh, and without people the plane itself will not fly. People are needed in him too.

[34 region]

A country that does not have its own scientific and production base will always feed someone else's army. Without a strong economy, there will never be a strong army. Remember the Indians with bows and migrants with guns.

[Gorjelin]

This is only for today, what other bombers ????

In the Nizhny Novgorod region do not offend kittens?

Calculation of emotions? We run to the Maidan ??

[Civil]

Quote: Gorjelin

This is only for today, what other bombers ????

In the Nizhny Novgorod region do not offend kittens?

Calculation of emotions? We run to the Maidan ??

Run at least to the Kremlin, at least to the State Department for money, if you can help medicine with anything.

[Civil]

But paid commentators are apparently not up to hospitals.

[Gorjelin]

But paid commentators are apparently not up to hospitals.

Would be silent about paid something

Come on all the forums are these nonsense about the hospital distribute?

[theadenter]

It would be nice if it were only nonsense.

[Gorjelin]

It would be nice if it were only nonsense.

The site is called "Voennoye Obozreniye", well, nothing to do with the hospital. Elsewhere we need to talk about it. Besides, you and I do not know anything about it to judge. And such civilians simply provoke people to emotions without a meaningful analysis of the situation. And all with one specific well-known goal ...

[noWAR]

Quote: Gorjelin

In another place you have to talk about it

It is almost useless to talk about this while enemies and opportunists are in the leading posts of the state that is emerging from the pit of the 90s. It looks like it needs to be "overgrown".

[Valentine]

Quote: Gorjelin

It would be nice if it were only nonsense.

The site is called "Voennoye Obozreniye", well, nothing to do with the hospital. Elsewhere we need to talk about it. Besides, you and I do not know anything about it to judge. And such civilians simply provoke people to emotions without a meaningful analysis of the situation. And all with one specific well-known goal ...

Quote: Gorjelin

It would be nice if it were only nonsense.

The site is called "Voennoye Obozreniye", well, nothing to do with the hospital. Elsewhere we need to talk about it. Besides, you and I do not know anything about it to judge. And such civilians simply provoke people to emotions without a meaningful analysis of the situation. And all with one specific well-known goal ...

This is the most readable resource, there is an immense field for discussion on a given topic, but ... there is
many people who want, besides a direct topic, to stick their provocative little thought there, so, unobtrusively, as if by the way,
drag it into the consciousness of the polemic, in the hope that it will cause some sort of protest .... And
there are enough of such "people's sufferers" here. You can also complain to VO about the fact that, as Putin said, the birth rate has increased in our country. And who is to blame? Maybe not from a good life, but someone bites through condoms? Or they are not of high quality, and the production is to blame, then, urgently, you need to contact VO, and we have this "problem" here
quickly and discuss. Here you can also discuss rising prices for bread and potatoes.

[guzik007]

Putin, the birth rate has increased in our country
---------------------------------------------
He is a liar, my friend, a liar, as a specialist I tell you.

[LVMI1980]

Did you try it yourself?

[Kyustenkats]

Do not worry civilian. As long as they themselves are not touched, they will be rya-grunts. What is the use of a bomber if the pilot is not motivated. we help strangers with convoys, and feed them with rotting and promises.

[DenZ]

But paid commentators are apparently not up to hospitals.

We read today's news. We don’t need to poke us like kittens in a bowl with our nose and play intrusively on emotions. In this article we are discussing bombers. And point.

[prorab_ak]

You can't strangle the Kremlin army, you can't kill)) ... well, the site became openly propaganda ... everyone himself thinks out the ending ... state money is flowing to support such islands of "patriotism", flowing like a cloudy river .... There are no hospitals, so soon another Dvorkovich will explain this very soon .... who had a "slight" increase in prices last year, and this year, too, apparently will ... .y beaches, those ancestors did not go anywhere and you are sitting ... but the very 2 maaaaaa small houses in the Seychelles .... they’ll soon say in hospitals .... neh ..... th sick ... but what, the people then (especially thanks to the efforts of such sites)

[Skifotavr]

Quote: Civil

"In the Nizhny Novgorod region, the budget deficit was overcome in a very peculiar way. Based on the principle of" no source of expenses, no problem, "the only children's hospital in the city was closed in the Navashinsky regional hospital. And before that the maternity ward and the morgue were liquidated. The hospital was compacted: now sick children are placed In the wards for adults. There were 40 beds in the children's department of the Navashinsky Central Regional Hospital. Last year, with a card index for 3862 children, the number of beds was reduced to 10, but they did not stop there either - to 6, "the channel's report says.

This is only for today, what other bombers ????

Are you the site wrong?

[Vladimir K]

Sealed not because of the bombers. There is a hole in the budget. No wonder the rating of the governor of the region slipped by a dozen points. Few existing enterprises, the financial flow of taxes is small, and as a result, significant underfunding of health care.

[RBLip]

Quote: Vladimir K

financial flow for taxes is small, and as a result, significant underfunding of health care.

you need to steal less (about the ideal, DO NOT STEAL, I am silent) then the money will appear.

[LVMI1980]

1) Actually, this is from the "opinions" section
2) how much do you get paid for the stuffing? 30 silver coins?

[aba]

it’s time to appoint Shoigu the chairman of the government - you see, things will go smoothly throughout the country, and not just in the defense industry.

The idea is interesting and may even be correct, but it saddens that a lot should and can be decided by units, and this despite the huge number of officials in the country. And the maintenance of their country is very expensive, especially even in dashing years, somehow they do not forget about their loved ones. Maybe it's time to think about the effectiveness of the bureaucratic apparatus ?!

[34 region]

And today they still have these related industries? Judging by the rapid construction of stores, they are the most important objects today. For production, mining, processing, manufacturing are necessary. Details how to do? Forge, pour, grind? All this equipment is necessary. Do we have it? Today we have sanctions. If there is equipment then it is probably ancient. Will we buy a new one?

[Starley from the south]

Quote: Region 34

Judging by the rapid construction of stores, they are the most important objects today.

This is where many shops are being built? In our country, in the south, housing is being built the most: both expensive and budget. Then they are the most important objects! And the equipment at construction sites is not ancient, if houses grow like mushrooms after rain. Only often they will either forget to conduct a sewer, or they will forget to build a kindergarten.

[34 region]

Yeah! Houses are growing! It was in Soviet times that houses grew. Today, only private mansions (and even then not very stormy, who needs to have already built). But the shops rod at every step. Just do not say that you do not have this good.

[S-kerrigan]

I don’t agree ... at least in Tomsk: only now in a parallel construction are two mega-districts for hundreds of apartments and thousands of people. Immediately with kindergartens / schools and a parking space for each apartment. With even ridiculous prices of 3,4-3,6 million rubles for a three-room apartment and a reduced mortgage rate.

[lecturer]

In general, it’s time to appoint Shoigu the chairman of the government

- here, for THESE words I will raise a toast (!) for the New 2016 year!

[cap]

It's time to clone.
Just a terrible shortage of personnel.
In Ivanovo, send for a month, build a kindergarten and Suvorov at the expense of the federal budget! Happy New Year!

[Telakh]

Ugum. It seems that not only Ukrainians have a short memory. The person who participated in the execution of the Supreme Council at the premiere? Bravo!
And also with the coat of arms of the USSR on the avatar. Is it cynicism?

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Wiruz

Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen?

- Of course not! In parallel, they will release. PAK FA throwing is not profitable, a lot has been invested, and it turns out not a bad thing.

[veksha50]

Quote: oldseaman1957

- Of course not! In parallel, they will release.PACK FA throwing is not profitable, a lot has been invested, and it turns out not a bad thing.

Hmm ... The blind man does not understand the dumb ... And here the PAK F ??

[demo]

Even at the stage of putting the new commission of the designer’s plane to the State Commission, the following is being worked out on the culmins.
So one for the other is not a hindrance.
Progress never stops.
if it is forced, as in the 90s, do not stall.
And they were ascetics of the state level who did everything at their own expense, at their own peril and risk.

[MIKHALYCH1]

I won’t live for sure ...

[Hagalaz]

Be healthy, Mikhalych! Live happily ever after!

[Penetrator]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

I won’t live for sure ...

Stop it, Mikhalych! For many years to you and good health!

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: Penetrator

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

I won’t live for sure ...

Stop it, Mikhalych! For many years to you and good health!

Thank you men of course, but the main thing is that Russia lives and develops (and I will follow there ..))))

[tol100v]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

Quote: Penetrator
Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
I won’t live for sure ...
Stop it, Mikhalych! For many years to you and good health!
Thank you men of course, but the main thing is that Russia lives and develops (and I will follow there ..))))

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

Quote: Penetrator
Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
I won’t live for sure ...
Stop it, Mikhalych! For many years to you and good health!
Thank you men of course, but the main thing is that Russia lives and develops (and I will follow there ..))))

Mikhalych, if you want to monitor and control, it’s better from here! Health and good luck!

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: Tol100v

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

Quote: Penetrator
Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
I won’t live for sure ...
Stop it, Mikhalych! For many years to you and good health!
Thank you men of course, but the main thing is that Russia lives and develops (and I will follow there ..))))

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

Quote: Penetrator
Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
I won’t live for sure ...
Stop it, Mikhalych! For many years to you and good health!
Thank you men of course, but the main thing is that Russia lives and develops (and I will follow there ..))))

Mikhalych, if you want to monitor and control, it’s better from here! Health and good luck!

I don’t understand ... And what does this mean?

[noWAR]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

. And what does this mean?

Live say !!!

[veksha50]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

I don’t understand ... And what does this mean?

Double wish of health ... Rejoice ... And I join with wishes ...

PS But actually this is called a PC glitch when copying and pasting ... But it turned out well ???

[theadenter]

So while PAK DA is being built, a number of technologies and software will be tested on the Tu-160M2. This is normal practice.

[Starley from the south]

If the Tu-160 still has no equal, then we must slowly work out PAK YES. It makes no sense to leave Tu, moreover, it will still be cheaper than ready-made only in the project (it seems to have already been approved), but certainly more expensive PAK YES.

[theadenter]

Tu-160 is now in combat operation. Until 2020, the experience of using these aircraft will be taken into account, and we will get a more advanced modernized aircraft.
As I understand it, PAK DA will be a low visibility aircraft. In this case, it will be two different classes of bombers.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wiruz

Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen?

I believe that the new Lebed will be created with an eye on the developments and for the T-4, taking into account the stealth technology (a plasma cocoon is possible). And certainly the new strategist will not even outwardly look like the "old" Tu-160. In fact, it will not be a modernization the old one, but the creation of a new strategist. Even there is an opinion that much of what will be on this strategist will later be put on the PAK DA.
But to say that they will resume production and create everything from scratch are slightly different concepts, and therefore, for now, I see no reason to talk about something serious.
Sincerely.

[APASUS]

Quote: Wiruz

Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen?

We haven’t produced such airplanes for 20 years already; in theory, the entire assembly technology and the next generation of strategists should be restored to production, it will smoothly replace the previous one

[veksha50]

Quote: APASUS

We haven’t produced such airplanes for 20 years already; in theory, the entire assembly technology and the next generation of strategists should be restored to production, it will smoothly replace the previous one

When they started to develop this topic last year, Shoigu was reported on the most important, in the opinion of designers and production, problem: the problem of allies ... Many enterprises that once produced something for the Tu-160 have been gone for a long time in nature...

Almost a year has passed after this ... Obviously, they dug up some resources, came up with something ...

If so, then the flag and God's name in their hands ....

[xtur]

> they reported on the most important, in the opinion of designers and production workers, problem: the problem of subcontractors ... Many enterprises that once produced something for the Tu-160 have simply not been in nature for a long time ...

therefore, they took almost 7 years to solve these problems

[pvv113]

It does not interfere. Having resumed production of the Tu-160, we will only shut up the holes formed in Long-Range Aviation after the collapse of the Union. And PAK YES is already a long-term project

[NEXUS]

Quote: pvv113

It does not interfere. Having resumed production of the Tu-160, we will only shut up the holes formed in Long-Range Aviation after the collapse of the Union. And PAK YES is already a long-term project

Everything would be fine, but no one thinks how much the new TU-160M2 (if it will) cost the state. The USSR had enough to produce less than 40 cars (expensive), and there was a resource of 15 republics and a production base and capacities that we could only dream of .And in order to put a new strategist in the series, you need at least 50 cars, otherwise it is not cost-effective to start everything. That's what we think.

[xtur]

> The USSR had enough to produce less than 40 cars (expensive)

it just fell apart (and not at all for economic reasons), otherwise the series would have continued

[Samaritan]

Quote: Wiruz

strategic bombers Tu-160M2 not later than 2023 g

Here it is not we will certainly remember, only I'm afraid citizen Borisov will no longer be ...
in short we hope and believe ...

[Don]

In any case, in the next 15 years, we will hardly see PAK YES. If you take into account the experience, then the upgraded Tu-160 will go into operation no earlier than 2025. Let's hope that at that moment it will be, at least, a modern aircraft capable of fulfilling its main task - strategic containment of a potential enemy.

[Vadim237]

Just hypersonic atmospheric and new aeroballistic missiles will be adopted.

[Starley from the south]

Quote: Donskoy

Let's hope that it will be at that moment, at least, a modern aircraft

So our "partners" have nothing similar, even projects somewhat similar, even with the Tu-160, too. Therefore, we should not miss the advantage in this matter.

[Persistent]

Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen?

Of course not !!! The new development is already 2-drum with missiles ... Type in YouTube "pack yes" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLhZB_vlxes

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: Wiruz

Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen?

Apparently it is possible.
As I understand it, Shoigu chose a peppy tit in his hands.
The development of a new strategist will cost an unrealistic mass of money, and the path of trial and error will be thorny, expensive and long.
Immediately good performance characteristics and proven device.
I believe that they did the right thing.

[NIKNN]

Wiruz (3) RU Today, 17:59

Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen? sad

He is promising and promising. And this one can be said to be a "short-range long-range aviation complex"

[SAN31]

PACK YES, this is Wishlist. And TU160M2 is a reality.

[SPACE]

Quote: Wiruz

Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen?

PACK YES will replace the TU-95. TU-160 is ahead of its time ...

[SSeT]

And is he needed now, this PACK? What is the need to merge billions, why is it so self-indispensable? WHY needed if yes ?? Modernization of the Carcass is also a cheap Vestma thing, all the hospitals of the district killed can be raised, but there is a practical reason for this, but this fiction PACK, which is already nothing in the voiced concepts, and hundreds of billions in minus, is this WHY ?? sawing over, saw dull? Nothing more to do in the country ??

[sanches-nk]

PAK YES - a distant prospect. It still needs to be designed, built, run in, etc.
The White Swan is a super combat missile carrier that will give odds to many more future aircraft. IMHO
If the new aircraft will be made with the use of composites, a fully digital modern filling including the most advanced developments of electronic warfare and radio-absorbing coatings, new avionics, possibly new or modified engines. Yes, he simply will not have prices for many, many decades.
And PAK YES, in an idea, can be done slowly, in fact, 5-6 generations, i.e. unmanned flying missile bombers, sharpened both for hypersonic strike systems and for high-precision and conventional bombs. And here the moment of "invisibility" of the aircraft and the possibility of being in the air for a very long time without dose adjustment will be really important.

[Gogia]

God forbid, I will see how they take off from the factory over my house !!!

[Cheshire]

Do you live in the Soviet or Quarter?

[AdekvatNICK]

are we really going to abandon analog duplication.

[PlotnikoffDD]

the effectiveness of the upgraded bomber will increase 2,5 times.

And what exactly will these two and a half times be? range? load??

[Penetrator]

It is said: efficiency! Those. a set of parameters described by one quantity

[SSeT]

That, too, always infuriated - in what boas / parrots are they measured? "2,5 times" relative to WHAT? pillar? boa constrictor? skirting boards?
speed \ load \ BE? her! 2,5 times! and point!

[xtur]

> speed \ load \ BE? her! 2,5 times! and point!

well, if you don’t be lazy to think, then it’s clear that effectiveness should be measured in hitting the target, subject to some regulatory opposition - EW, air defense ...

[marlin1203]

After 7 years ?! Do we have them? Judging by the timing, R&D has not yet begun. It is not good...

[Reserve officer]

The plans are wonderful. But here are some very convenient terms. In my memory, many beautiful designs never saw the green light, because the developers sincerely believed that their time was the sea.

[venaya]

the effectiveness of the modernized bomber will increase 2,5 times
God forbid that the production workers were able to overfulfill the plan for the time of introduction and the system of new technology.

[weis-a]

If you add invisibility to its characteristics ... someone will sleep poorly ... or even insomnia will torment you.

[Igor39]

"add invisibility too ..." To put on an invisible hat or to paint with modern invisible paint?

[Zubr]

Quote: Igor39

"add invisibility as well ..." laughing laughing To wear an invisible hat or paint it with modern invisible paint?

Exaggerate in vain, here in invisibility technologies, ours just surpassed all. Therefore, at the moment (I am exaggerating), even if you attach wings to a steam train, it will be invisible. But this is a very closed topic and what technologies are used there .... ???

[uge.garik]

... yeah and no audibility either ...

[max2215]

In the USSR, they planned for the 10th anniversary ahead, who knows what else lies there, waiting in the wings. Fewer managers, more designers and workers, and bankers would be shortened, these are generally brakes for Russia ...

[Aleksandr1959]

Quote: PlotnikoffDD

the effectiveness of the upgraded bomber will increase 2,5 times.

And what exactly will these two and a half times be? range? load??

Good question! How is the combat effectiveness of the aviation complex considered? But in different ways. Even within the same military organization.

[There are a lot of us]

But will it be too late?

[LÄRZ]

The Ministry of Defense will begin to receive new strategic bombers Tu-160М2 no later than 2023 g, Long. A very long time. Did you try to work in three shifts? And it would be necessary.

[Mountain shooter]

In terms of striking power, such a device is comparable to an atomic submarine missile carrier, albeit with a significantly higher mobility. And it still costs less. Therefore, there are enough such flying launch pads. His carrying capacity is already at a level, and if he still lightens the glider at the expense of composites, and the equipment on it is old - tons, his range and combat load will increase. There are no competitors in the sky for the "White Swan".

[Mikhail Krapivin]

I don’t know how you comrades are, but I can hardly imagine that we can be expected in 2020.

[Igor39]

Bright future....

[Vadim237]

The same as today - only the government will change and the president will be different.

[faqs605]

Full star! Old people will leave and there is no experienced youth! Nanorobots of Chubais will collect! :-)

[Hypocrite]

Who will do them after 2020?
Father and mother have been working at KAPO all their working lives. According to conversations, young people come, work 3 months and leave, on the machines the responsible details are made by those who worked with the union, such until their retirement 3-5 years. And almost all pensioners are already in tool shops.
If you do not increase the prestige of working professions, machine tools, electricians, etc., after 2020, nothing will stand and fly.

[Igor39]

Ravshan and Jamshud

[KBR109]

Your truth. But only effective managers are still honored by us. Verbosity and water in speeches. As in the Vedmedev appeal to the people. Who can remind me of at least one major high-level corruption case brought and successfully passed the trial ??

[faqs605]

we will hire the Chinese .... we ourselves can’t!

[xtur]

> Who will make them after 2020?

as far as can be judged by the technical process, in a couple of years they should start to make different parts of the aircraft in different places, they should slowly collect them and build prototypes for testing.

If the plane flies in 2023, it means it should be tested for about 3 - 5 years, so by 2018 they should have a reassembled plane

So old frames will probably have time to convey experience

[dchegrinec]

You cannot lose the TU-160. It must work in parallel with the new PAK YES "flying wing" They are completely different and will complement each other just what is ...

[iouris]

The country would not lose ...

[atamankko]

Spawned a lack of lawyers, economists,
but no one thought about the prestige of a good worker
where now to find young people so that they can build such equipment.

[faqs605]

Yes, now there’s no one to teach! Earlier from generation to generation, the masters of the WWA passed on the secrets .... and now the lawyers are all ... or economists! A nail in the wall to hammer a specialist cause!

[bydanoff.val]

You can dream. The Soviet resource is over. It is impossible in the thieves' country to create something.

[noWAR]

Quote: bydanoff.val

It is impossible in the thieves' country to build something

you are not talking about the country you don’t want to mention?

[propolsky]

The plane flew, went through improvements, worked out combat use for real purposes, and then once and send it into retirement, changing it to a development that is only in the drawings. Agree - stupid. It is necessary to develop an airplane; investments are not comparable.

[vo3]

The question needs a very serious study. On the one hand, the aircraft already exists and the costs are an order of magnitude lower, the more you still need to maintain the existing ones. On the other hand, it is expensive and from a modern military point of view, the aircraft does not represent an effective military weapon. Rather, it’s a gold target. Considering problems in military information ensuring and effective management - rather not. There are more important and urgent tasks.

[klopik1]

[media = http: //www.lepse.com/] I work in this sharaga, this year they removed the harmfulness for lead, extra leave, they reduced their salaries by one and a half times, so h .. they are not new planes.

[Snail N9]

Yeah, they will build it ... you don't know what will happen next week: either the ruble will "collapse" again, or the sanctions will be tightened by the very "I can not" under another "plausible" pretext, or the Third World War will begin at all ... Ah, here is 2020 ... It's just like in the parable of Khoja Nasreddin about the "talking" donkey and the stupid sultan.

[Vadim237]

Yes, you do not worry - everything will be.

[Filxnumx]

Quote: Civil

But paid commentators are apparently not up to hospitals.

When the country does not have a modern army, the hospitals for the survivors will no longer be needed. Civilian, if you know what and how to do in order to raise both health and the army without money, do so, and do not let snot and scream. And if your job is to breed a panic in the wrong way (and not by rank), you turn. Go rear-wheel drive in a geyrop agitate.

[GOGY]

The article is about nothing ... Sergey Shoigu instructed ... whom did he instruct? AND . it doesn’t matter, he instructed the main thing ... NK-32 engines have a resource until 2017, Kuznetsov Design Bureau (developer) and KMPO (manufacturer) have not been developing new engines for more than 10 years, the relevant personnel have scattered over the years, there is no equipment. At KAPO Gorbunov is the same, pensioners are almost persuaded to return to their knees, but the youth are not coming. Modernization has not gone anywhere, but new ones - I doubt it

[Ilya77]

I work on this topic, there are very big doubts about what will happen by 2023. Although, of course, if you do one thing a year on your knee then everything is possible. I will probably be minded, but this decision to resume will show the whole abyss of the abyss between the industry of the USSR and the Russian Federation, the latter has only a pale shadow, fragments of former greatness. All system jambs come up, with personnel, with salaries, with equipment and accessories.

[Santjaga_Garka]

What? Increase efficiency 2.5 times? Can this Miracle be transcended? I just precipitate ...

[evge-malyshev]

Good news. The only pity is that the issues of the "big" modernization and production of the TU-160 have been procrastinated for too long. And, God forbid, if the opinion of our member of the forum "Civil" suddenly wins.

I want the release of these wonderful ships to start earlier and larger.

[bydanoff.val]

Russia will not save anything. Do not tell. Already only the lazy does not wipe his feet on our bourgeoisie.

[Nik22]

noWAR (3) BY Today, 20:15 ↑ New
Quote: bydanoff.val
It is impossible in the thieves' country to build something
you are not talking about the country you don’t want to mention?

I wonder how people live who did it and primalm these decisions? ..

[Vladimir K]

The Tu-160 was created by the genius of Tupolev and he does not match modern developments. The only thing that is desirable is to have supersonic at cruising mode for a quick approach to the launch area from basing places. Our country is long. And stealth technologies when flying over our territory are not fully needed.

[Stoler]

"The production of new missile carriers will begin in the early 2020s" - I'm afraid they won't give us that much time.

[From Samara]

Correct thought. But it’s worth starting earlier ...

[Smailfantom]

Why improve * the delivery method *, even if we simply explode half of the arsenal in our country, we can already make the game have no winners, because for another purpose the Russian Federation does not make sense to use the nuclear potential. And for so many I have already looked through (probably) a good half of the comments, they again bomb me from absurdities which are sometimes carried here, and I, so to speak, will answer the most egregious of them: 1.

Quote: Civil

"In the Nizhny Novgorod region, the budget deficit was overcome in a very peculiar way. Based on the principle of" no source of expenses, no problem, "the only children's hospital in the city was closed in the Navashinsky regional hospital. And before that the maternity ward and the morgue were liquidated. The hospital was compacted: now sick children are placed In the wards for adults. There were 40 beds in the children's department of the Navashinsky Central Regional Hospital. Last year, with a card index for 3862 children, the number of beds was reduced to 10, but they did not stop there either - to 6, "the channel's report says.

This is only for today, what other bombers ????

Developments in the trailer are needed, firstly, we are large exporters of weapons, secondly, it so happened that we have many specialists in military inventions in the country and they need to feed on something. 2.

Quote: mast

The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's !!!

Enough to raise everything to absolute, in the end, no one refuses to feed the army, you just need to keep it from being fat - too much money is also bad, they are primarily fed by those who are of higher rank.

[arnulla]

Well, the timing ..

[IAlex]

They promised to produce the same pepper that vowed to bomb Moldova on the Tu-160 due to the fact that he was not allowed to go there? If so, you can make breakfast now ...

The new materials are probably plywood, and the all-digital equipment is a remote control with an antenna that says "children over 18" on the back.
The country is already with a naked woman ... it will soon remain, due to the fall in oil prices, and "modernization", and they continue to cut the money, then on PAK YES, you see, they saw it all, now they began to cut on the Tu-160 ... it would be impossible to reach the TU-95 right away, or even better to update the software-2. Order so 20 pieces until 2050.
And what is cheap and cheerful, even German veterans will be able to confirm that the equipment has been tested by time and military conflicts. Moreover, neither aerodrome infrastructure, nor well-educated personnel, nor trained pilots, nor sophisticated technological equipment and production, nor normal fuel for such bombers are needed. Those. general limit of perfection ...

[uskrabut]

Quote: IAlex

The country is already with a naked woman ... it will soon remain, due to the fall in oil prices, and "modernization", and they continue to cut the money, then on PAK YES, you see, they saw it all, now they began to cut on the Tu-160 ... it would be impossible to reach the TU-95 right away, or even better to update the software-2. Order so 20 pieces until 2050.

The country is in opera not because of oil prices, but because they put everything else. From the 20s to 1941, the economy in the USSR was created from scratch to the forefront in the world, and then oil and gas were not traded. Here is the answer: it’s not the price of gas with oil that is to blame, but the incompetence, laziness and theft of a separate category of leadership.

[IAlex]

If not for oil prices, then because

incompetence, laziness and theft of a separate category of leadership.

all would have died long ago from poverty or revolutions. The entire country for the last 17 years has held on only thanks to high oil prices, so the "leadership" could engage in any stupidity, because the level of currency inflow does not depend on them ...