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Production of new missile carriers will begin in the early 2020-ies

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The Defense Ministry will begin to receive new strategic bombers Tu-160М2 no later than 2023 g, leads Rossiyskaya Gazeta the message of the deputy head of the military department, Yuri Borisov.


Production of new missile carriers will begin in the early 2020-ies


“It will be a new aircraft, completely digital, with a completely updated avionics. In addition to electronics, rocket carriers will use new materials. ”, - said the general on the air "Russia-24".

However, he noted that "the performance of the Tu-160 has not yet been surpassed."

The newspaper reminds that in April, Sergei Shoigu instructed "to work out the issue of resuming the production of Tu-160 at the Kazan aircraft factory in a deeply modernized version." According to military experts, the effectiveness of the upgraded bomber will increase 2,5 times.
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  1. Wiruz
    Wiruz 9 December 2015 17: 59 New
    +2
    Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen? sad
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 9 December 2015 18: 04 New
      41
      Very correct decision.

      Firstly, the aircraft is successful and plays an important role in the nuclear arsenal (especially taking into account the possible further deployment of missile defense). Missiles to it, by the way, are also developing new ones (and in the future, hypersonic ones on the way).

      Secondly, this is the development of the domestic aircraft industry, the preservation and restoration of competencies, work for a variety of related industries, including dual-use technologies that can be used in the civil aircraft industry (so as not to assemble Superjets from imported parts). Kazan aircraft plant is not only bombers, but also Tu-214 and Tu-334-100.

      In general, it is time to appoint Shoigu as the chairman of the government - you see, things will go smoothly throughout the country, and not just in the defense industry.
      1. Civil
        Civil 9 December 2015 18: 25 New
        -13 qualifying.
        "In the Nizhny Novgorod region, the budget deficit was overcome in a very peculiar way. Based on the principle of" no source of expenses, no problem, "the only children's hospital in the city was closed in the Navashinsky regional hospital. And before that the maternity ward and the morgue were liquidated. The hospital was compacted: now sick children are placed In the wards for adults. There were 40 beds in the children's department of the Navashinsky Central Regional Hospital. Last year, with a card index for 3862 children, the number of beds was reduced to 10, but they did not stop there either - to 6, "the channel's report says.

        This is only for today, what other bombers ????
        1. mast
          mast 9 December 2015 18: 34 New
          16
          The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's !!!
          1. Civil
            Civil 9 December 2015 19: 04 New
            +7
            Quote: mast
            The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's !!!

            And who will feed any army if there is no children's hospital ?! Do you have logic or "women give birth" ?! And nothing that the population is declining?
            1. theadenter
              theadenter 9 December 2015 19: 39 New
              20
              But where does the army and its budget ?! The closure of hospitals and schools is an unequivocal anti-people miscalculation of pest managers in the government.
              Do you think if they cut the military budget, they will immediately set up hospital schools?
              How can you be so naive?
            2. Maks-80
              Maks-80 9 December 2015 20: 13 New
              18
              In the 90 years, EBN almost completely destroyed the army and didn’t see that in those days hospitals, schools and kindergartens would be built as much as possible, as well as the birth rate lol
          2. Yuri from Volgograd
            Yuri from Volgograd 9 December 2015 19: 27 New
            12
            Quote: mast
            The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's !!!

            Civil does not tell you that there is no need to build.
            As I understand it, he is confused by the genocide of the civilian population.
            Hosh is not hosh, and without people the plane itself will not fly. People are needed in him too.
          3. 34 region
            34 region 9 December 2015 19: 57 New
            +4
            A country that does not have its own scientific and production base will always feed someone else's army. Without a strong economy, there will never be a strong army. Remember the Indians with bows and migrants with guns.
        2. Gorjelin
          Gorjelin 9 December 2015 18: 46 New
          -2
          This is only for today, what other bombers ????


          In the Nizhny Novgorod region do not offend kittens?

          Calculation of emotions? We run to the Maidan ??
          1. Civil
            Civil 9 December 2015 19: 05 New
            -2
            Quote: Gorjelin
            This is only for today, what other bombers ????


            In the Nizhny Novgorod region do not offend kittens?

            Calculation of emotions? We run to the Maidan ??

            Run at least to the Kremlin, at least to the State Department for money, if you can help medicine with anything.
            1. Civil
              Civil 9 December 2015 19: 15 New
              -2
              But paid commentators are apparently not up to hospitals.
              1. Gorjelin
                Gorjelin 9 December 2015 19: 20 New
                -5
                But paid commentators are apparently not up to hospitals.


                Would be silent about paid something laughing laughing

                Come on all the forums are these nonsense about the hospital distribute?
                1. theadenter
                  theadenter 9 December 2015 19: 41 New
                  +6
                  It would be nice if it were only nonsense.
                  1. Gorjelin
                    Gorjelin 9 December 2015 19: 52 New
                    0
                    It would be nice if it were only nonsense.


                    The site is called "Voennoye Obozreniye", well, nothing to do with the hospital. Elsewhere we need to talk about it. Besides, you and I do not know anything about it to judge. And such civilians simply provoke people to emotions without a meaningful analysis of the situation. And all with one specific well-known goal ...
                    1. noWAR
                      noWAR 9 December 2015 20: 04 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Gorjelin
                      In another place you have to talk about it

                      It is almost useless to talk about this while enemies and opportunists are in the leading posts of the state that is emerging from the pit of the 90s. It looks like it needs to be "overgrown".
                    2. Valentine
                      Valentine 9 December 2015 21: 38 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Gorjelin
                      It would be nice if it were only nonsense.


                      The site is called "Voennoye Obozreniye", well, nothing to do with the hospital. Elsewhere we need to talk about it. Besides, you and I do not know anything about it to judge. And such civilians simply provoke people to emotions without a meaningful analysis of the situation. And all with one specific well-known goal ...

                      Quote: Gorjelin
                      It would be nice if it were only nonsense.


                      The site is called "Voennoye Obozreniye", well, nothing to do with the hospital. Elsewhere we need to talk about it. Besides, you and I do not know anything about it to judge. And such civilians simply provoke people to emotions without a meaningful analysis of the situation. And all with one specific well-known goal ...

                      This is the most readable resource, there is an immense field for discussion on a given topic, but ... there is
                      many people who want, besides a direct topic, to stick their provocative little thought there, so, unobtrusively, as if by the way,
                      drag it into the consciousness of the polemic, in the hope that it will cause some sort of protest .... And
                      there are enough of such "people's sufferers" here. You can also complain to VO about the fact that, as Putin said, the birth rate has increased in our country. And who is to blame? Maybe not from a good life, but someone bites through condoms? Or they are not of high quality, and the production is to blame, then, urgently, you need to contact VO, and we have this "problem" here
                      quickly and discuss. Here you can also discuss rising prices for bread and potatoes.
                      1. guzik007
                        guzik007 10 December 2015 07: 03 New
                        +2
                        Putin, the birth rate has increased in our country
                        ---------------------------------------------
                        He is a liar, my friend, a liar, as a specialist I tell you.
                      2. LVMI1980
                        LVMI1980 10 December 2015 09: 36 New
                        -1
                        Did you try it yourself? repeat
            2. Kyustenkats
              Kyustenkats 9 December 2015 19: 49 New
              +5
              Do not worry civilian. As long as they themselves are not touched, they will be rya-grunts. What is the use of a bomber if the pilot is not motivated. we help strangers with convoys, and feed them with rotting and promises.
            3. DenZ
              DenZ 10 December 2015 10: 19 New
              +1
              But paid commentators are apparently not up to hospitals.

              We read today's news. We don’t need to poke us like kittens in a bowl with our nose and play intrusively on emotions. In this article we are discussing bombers. And point.
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            5. prorab_ak
              prorab_ak 10 December 2015 17: 04 New
              -3
              You can't strangle the Kremlin army, you can't kill)) ... well, the site became openly propaganda ... everyone himself thinks out the ending ... state money is flowing to support such islands of "patriotism", flowing like a cloudy river .... There are no hospitals, so soon another Dvorkovich will explain this very soon .... who had a "slight" increase in prices last year, and this year, too, apparently will ... .y beaches, those ancestors did not go anywhere and you are sitting ... but the very 2 maaaaaa small houses in the Seychelles fellow .... they’ll soon say in hospitals .... neh ..... th sick ... but what, the people then (especially thanks to the efforts of such sites)
      2. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 9 December 2015 20: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        "In the Nizhny Novgorod region, the budget deficit was overcome in a very peculiar way. Based on the principle of" no source of expenses, no problem, "the only children's hospital in the city was closed in the Navashinsky regional hospital. And before that the maternity ward and the morgue were liquidated. The hospital was compacted: now sick children are placed In the wards for adults. There were 40 beds in the children's department of the Navashinsky Central Regional Hospital. Last year, with a card index for 3862 children, the number of beds was reduced to 10, but they did not stop there either - to 6, "the channel's report says.

        This is only for today, what other bombers ????

        Are you the site wrong?
      3. Vladimir K
        Vladimir K 9 December 2015 20: 51 New
        +4
        Sealed not because of the bombers. There is a hole in the budget. No wonder the rating of the governor of the region slipped by a dozen points. Few existing enterprises, the financial flow of taxes is small, and as a result, significant underfunding of health care.
        1. RBLip
          RBLip 10 December 2015 09: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir K
          financial flow for taxes is small, and as a result, significant underfunding of health care.

          you need to steal less (about the ideal, DO NOT STEAL, I am silent) then the money will appear.
      4. LVMI1980
        LVMI1980 10 December 2015 09: 33 New
        0
        1) Actually, this is from the "opinions" section
        2) how much do you get paid for the stuffing? 30 silver coins?
    2. aba
      aba 9 December 2015 19: 17 New
      +5
      it’s time to appoint Shoigu the chairman of the government - you see, things will go smoothly throughout the country, and not just in the defense industry.

      The idea is interesting and may even be correct, but it saddens that a lot should and can be decided by units, and this despite the huge number of officials in the country. And the maintenance of their country is very expensive, especially even in dashing years, somehow they do not forget about their loved ones. Maybe it's time to think about the effectiveness of the bureaucratic apparatus ?!
    3. 34 region
      34 region 9 December 2015 19: 54 New
      +4
      And today they still have these related industries? Judging by the rapid construction of stores, they are the most important objects today. For production, mining, processing, manufacturing are necessary. Details how to do? Forge, pour, grind? All this equipment is necessary. Do we have it? Today we have sanctions. If there is equipment then it is probably ancient. Will we buy a new one?
      1. Starley from the south
        Starley from the south 9 December 2015 22: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Region 34
        Judging by the rapid construction of stores, they are the most important objects today.

        This is where many shops are being built? In our country, in the south, housing is being built the most: both expensive and budget. Then they are the most important objects! And the equipment at construction sites is not ancient, if houses grow like mushrooms after rain. Only often they will either forget to conduct a sewer, or they will forget to build a kindergarten.
        1. 34 region
          34 region 9 December 2015 23: 37 New
          +2
          Yeah! Houses are growing! It was in Soviet times that houses grew. Today, only private mansions (and even then not very stormy, who needs to have already built). But the shops rod at every step. Just do not say that you do not have this good.
          1. S-kerrigan
            S-kerrigan 10 December 2015 10: 19 New
            0
            I don’t agree ... at least in Tomsk: only now in a parallel construction are two mega-districts for hundreds of apartments and thousands of people. Immediately with kindergartens / schools and a parking space for each apartment. With even ridiculous prices of 3,4-3,6 million rubles for a three-room apartment and a reduced mortgage rate.
    4. lecturer
      lecturer 9 December 2015 20: 41 New
      +1
      In general, it’s time to appoint Shoigu the chairman of the government
      - here, for THESE words I will raise a toast (!) for the New 2016 year!
      1. cap
        cap 9 December 2015 23: 57 New
        0
        It's time to clone.
        Just a terrible shortage of personnel.
        In Ivanovo, send for a month, build a kindergarten and Suvorov at the expense of the federal budget! laughing Happy New Year!
    5. Telakh
      Telakh 10 December 2015 09: 42 New
      +2
      Ugum. It seems that not only Ukrainians have a short memory. The person who participated in the execution of the Supreme Council at the premiere? Bravo!
      And also with the coat of arms of the USSR on the avatar. Is it cynicism?
  2. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 9 December 2015 18: 04 New
    -1
    Quote: Wiruz
    Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen?
    - Of course not! In parallel, they will release. PAK FA throwing is not profitable, a lot has been invested, and it turns out not a bad thing.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 9 December 2015 20: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      - Of course not! In parallel, they will release.PACK FA throwing is not profitable, a lot has been invested, and it turns out not a bad thing.


      Hmm ... The blind man does not understand the dumb ... And here the PAK F ??
  3. demo
    demo 9 December 2015 18: 08 New
    +3
    Even at the stage of putting the new commission of the designer’s plane to the State Commission, the following is being worked out on the culmins.
    So one for the other is not a hindrance.
    Progress never stops.
    if it is forced, as in the 90s, do not stall.
    And they were ascetics of the state level who did everything at their own expense, at their own peril and risk.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 9 December 2015 18: 11 New
      +7
      I won’t live for sure ... hi
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 9 December 2015 18: 16 New
        13
        Be healthy, Mikhalych! Live happily ever after! laughing
      2. Penetrator
        Penetrator 9 December 2015 18: 19 New
        10
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        I won’t live for sure ...

        Stop it, Mikhalych! For many years to you and good health!
        1. MIKHALYCH1
          MIKHALYCH1 9 December 2015 18: 27 New
          +9
          Quote: Penetrator
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          I won’t live for sure ...

          Stop it, Mikhalych! For many years to you and good health!

          Thank you men of course, but the main thing is that Russia lives and develops (and I will follow there ..))))
          1. tol100v
            tol100v 9 December 2015 19: 08 New
            0
            Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
            Quote: Penetrator
            Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
            I won’t live for sure ...
            Stop it, Mikhalych! For many years to you and good health!
            Thank you men of course, but the main thing is that Russia lives and develops (and I will follow there ..))))

            Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
            Quote: Penetrator
            Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
            I won’t live for sure ...
            Stop it, Mikhalych! For many years to you and good health!
            Thank you men of course, but the main thing is that Russia lives and develops (and I will follow there ..))))

            Mikhalych, if you want to monitor and control, it’s better from here! Health and good luck!
            1. MIKHALYCH1
              MIKHALYCH1 9 December 2015 19: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Tol100v
              Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
              Quote: Penetrator
              Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
              I won’t live for sure ...
              Stop it, Mikhalych! For many years to you and good health!
              Thank you men of course, but the main thing is that Russia lives and develops (and I will follow there ..))))

              Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
              Quote: Penetrator
              Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
              I won’t live for sure ...
              Stop it, Mikhalych! For many years to you and good health!
              Thank you men of course, but the main thing is that Russia lives and develops (and I will follow there ..))))

              Mikhalych, if you want to monitor and control, it’s better from here! Health and good luck!

              I don’t understand ... And what does this mean?
              1. noWAR
                noWAR 9 December 2015 20: 20 New
                +5
                Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
                . And what does this mean?

                Live say !!!
              2. veksha50
                veksha50 9 December 2015 20: 25 New
                +1
                Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
                I don’t understand ... And what does this mean?


                Double wish of health ... Rejoice ... And I join with wishes ...

                PS But actually this is called a PC glitch when copying and pasting ... But it turned out well ???
    2. theadenter
      theadenter 9 December 2015 19: 44 New
      +2
      So while PAK DA is being built, a number of technologies and software will be tested on the Tu-160M2. This is normal practice.
      1. Starley from the south
        Starley from the south 9 December 2015 23: 05 New
        +1
        If the Tu-160 still has no equal, then we must slowly work out PAK YES. It makes no sense to leave Tu, moreover, it will still be cheaper than ready-made only in the project (it seems to have already been approved), but certainly more expensive PAK YES.
        1. theadenter
          theadenter 10 December 2015 19: 13 New
          0
          Tu-160 is now in combat operation. Until 2020, the experience of using these aircraft will be taken into account, and we will get a more advanced modernized aircraft.
          As I understand it, PAK DA will be a low visibility aircraft. In this case, it will be two different classes of bombers.
  4. NEXUS
    NEXUS 9 December 2015 18: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: Wiruz
    Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen? sad

    I believe that the new Lebed will be created with an eye on the developments and for the T-4, taking into account the stealth technology (a plasma cocoon is possible). And certainly the new strategist will not even outwardly look like the "old" Tu-160. In fact, it will not be a modernization the old one, but the creation of a new strategist. Even there is an opinion that much of what will be on this strategist will later be put on the PAK DA.
    But to say that they will resume production and create everything from scratch are slightly different concepts, and therefore, for now, I see no reason to talk about something serious.
    Sincerely. hi
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 9 December 2015 18: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: Wiruz
    Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen? sad

    We haven’t produced such airplanes for 20 years already; in theory, the entire assembly technology and the next generation of strategists should be restored to production, it will smoothly replace the previous one
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 9 December 2015 20: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      We haven’t produced such airplanes for 20 years already; in theory, the entire assembly technology and the next generation of strategists should be restored to production, it will smoothly replace the previous one



      When they started to develop this topic last year, Shoigu was reported on the most important, in the opinion of designers and production, problem: the problem of allies ... Many enterprises that once produced something for the Tu-160 have been gone for a long time in nature...

      Almost a year has passed after this ... Obviously, they dug up some resources, came up with something ...

      If so, then the flag and God's name in their hands ....
      1. xtur
        xtur 10 December 2015 23: 28 New
        0
        > they reported on the most important, in the opinion of designers and production workers, problem: the problem of subcontractors ... Many enterprises that once produced something for the Tu-160 have simply not been in nature for a long time ...

        therefore, they took almost 7 years to solve these problems
  6. pvv113
    pvv113 9 December 2015 18: 40 New
    +2
    It does not interfere. Having resumed production of the Tu-160, we will only shut up the holes formed in Long-Range Aviation after the collapse of the Union. And PAK YES is already a long-term project hi
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 December 2015 18: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: pvv113
      It does not interfere. Having resumed production of the Tu-160, we will only shut up the holes formed in Long-Range Aviation after the collapse of the Union. And PAK YES is already a long-term project hi

      Everything would be fine, but no one thinks how much the new TU-160M2 (if it will) cost the state. The USSR had enough to produce less than 40 cars (expensive), and there was a resource of 15 republics and a production base and capacities that we could only dream of .And in order to put a new strategist in the series, you need at least 50 cars, otherwise it is not cost-effective to start everything. That's what we think.
      1. xtur
        xtur 10 December 2015 23: 26 New
        0
        > The USSR had enough to produce less than 40 cars (expensive)

        it just fell apart (and not at all for economic reasons), otherwise the series would have continued
  7. Samaritan
    Samaritan 9 December 2015 18: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Wiruz
    strategic bombers Tu-160M2 not later than 2023 g

    Here it is not we will certainly remember, only I'm afraid citizen Borisov will no longer be ...
    in short we hope and believe ...
  8. Don
    Don 9 December 2015 19: 03 New
    +2
    In any case, in the next 15 years, we will hardly see PAK YES. If you take into account the experience, then the upgraded Tu-160 will go into operation no earlier than 2025. Let's hope that at that moment it will be, at least, a modern aircraft capable of fulfilling its main task - strategic containment of a potential enemy.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 December 2015 21: 00 New
      0
      Just hypersonic atmospheric and new aeroballistic missiles will be adopted.
    2. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 9 December 2015 23: 26 New
      -1
      Quote: Donskoy
      Let's hope that it will be at that moment, at least, a modern aircraft

      So our "partners" have nothing similar, even projects somewhat similar, even with the Tu-160, too. Therefore, we should not miss the advantage in this matter.
  9. Persistent
    Persistent 9 December 2015 19: 08 New
    0
    Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen?

    Of course not !!! The new development is already 2-drum with missiles ... Type in YouTube "pack yes" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLhZB_vlxes
  10. Yuri from Volgograd
    Yuri from Volgograd 9 December 2015 19: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Wiruz
    Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen? sad

    Apparently it is possible.
    As I understand it, Shoigu chose a peppy tit in his hands.
    The development of a new strategist will cost an unrealistic mass of money, and the path of trial and error will be thorny, expensive and long.
    Immediately good performance characteristics and proven device.
    I believe that they did the right thing.
  11. NIKNN
    NIKNN 9 December 2015 19: 29 New
    +2
    Wiruz (3) RU Today, 17:59

    Yeah Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen? sad


    He is promising and promising. And this one can be said to be a "short-range long-range aviation complex" wink
  12. SAN31
    SAN31 9 December 2015 20: 21 New
    +1
    PACK YES, this is Wishlist. And TU160M2 is a reality.
  13. SPACE
    SPACE 9 December 2015 20: 22 New
    0
    Quote: Wiruz
    Does this mean that the PAK YES project can be waved with a pen?

    PACK YES will replace the TU-95. TU-160 is ahead of its time ...
  14. SSeT
    SSeT 10 December 2015 00: 44 New
    -1
    And is he needed now, this PACK? What is the need to merge billions, why is it so self-indispensable? WHY needed if yes ?? Modernization of the Carcass is also a cheap Vestma thing, all the hospitals of the district killed can be raised, but there is a practical reason for this, but this fiction PACK, which is already nothing in the voiced concepts, and hundreds of billions in minus, is this WHY ?? sawing over, saw dull? Nothing more to do in the country ??
  15. sanches-nk
    sanches-nk 10 December 2015 09: 54 New
    0
    PAK YES - a distant prospect. It still needs to be designed, built, run in, etc.
    The White Swan is a super combat missile carrier that will give odds to many more future aircraft. IMHO
    If the new aircraft will be made with the use of composites, a fully digital modern filling including the most advanced developments of electronic warfare and radio-absorbing coatings, new avionics, possibly new or modified engines. Yes, he simply will not have prices for many, many decades.
    And PAK YES, in an idea, can be done slowly, in fact, 5-6 generations, i.e. unmanned flying missile bombers, sharpened both for hypersonic strike systems and for high-precision and conventional bombs. And here the moment of "invisibility" of the aircraft and the possibility of being in the air for a very long time without dose adjustment will be really important.
  • Gogia
    Gogia 9 December 2015 17: 59 New
    +3
    God forbid, I will see how they take off from the factory over my house !!!
    1. Cheshire
      Cheshire 9 December 2015 19: 02 New
      0
      hi
      Do you live in the Soviet or Quarter?
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 9 December 2015 18: 00 New
    0
    are we really going to abandon analog duplication.
  • PlotnikoffDD
    PlotnikoffDD 9 December 2015 18: 00 New
    +2
    the effectiveness of the upgraded bomber will increase 2,5 times.

    And what exactly will these two and a half times be? range? load??
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 9 December 2015 18: 24 New
      +1
      It is said: efficiency! Those. a set of parameters described by one quantity laughing
    2. SSeT
      SSeT 10 December 2015 00: 55 New
      0
      That, too, always infuriated - in what boas / parrots are they measured? "2,5 times" relative to WHAT? pillar? boa constrictor? skirting boards?
      speed \ load \ BE? her! 2,5 times! and point! am
      1. xtur
        xtur 10 December 2015 23: 34 New
        0
        > speed \ load \ BE? her! 2,5 times! and point!

        well, if you don’t be lazy to think, then it’s clear that effectiveness should be measured in hitting the target, subject to some regulatory opposition - EW, air defense ...
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 9 December 2015 18: 00 New
    +1
    After 7 years ?! belay Do we have them? Judging by the timing, R&D has not yet begun. It is not good...
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 9 December 2015 18: 23 New
      +5
      The plans are wonderful. But here are some very convenient terms. In my memory, many beautiful designs never saw the green light, because the developers sincerely believed that their time was the sea.
  • venaya
    venaya 9 December 2015 18: 00 New
    0
    the effectiveness of the modernized bomber will increase 2,5 times
    God forbid that the production workers were able to overfulfill the plan for the time of introduction and the system of new technology.
  • weis-a
    weis-a 9 December 2015 18: 02 New
    0
    If you add invisibility to its characteristics ... someone will sleep poorly ... or even insomnia will torment you.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 9 December 2015 18: 16 New
      +1
      "add invisibility too ..." laughing laughing To put on an invisible hat or to paint with modern invisible paint?
      1. Zubr
        Zubr 9 December 2015 18: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Igor39
        "add invisibility as well ..." laughing laughing To wear an invisible hat or paint it with modern invisible paint?


        smile Exaggerate in vain, here in invisibility technologies, ours just surpassed all. Therefore, at the moment (I am exaggerating), even if you attach wings to a steam train, it will be invisible. But this is a very closed topic and what technologies are used there .... ??? hi
    2. uge.garik
      uge.garik 9 December 2015 20: 43 New
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      ... yeah and no audibility either ...
  • max2215
    max2215 9 December 2015 18: 03 New
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    In the USSR, they planned for the 10th anniversary ahead, who knows what else lies there, waiting in the wings. Fewer managers, more designers and workers, and bankers would be shortened, these are generally brakes for Russia ...
  • Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 9 December 2015 18: 05 New
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    Quote: PlotnikoffDD
    the effectiveness of the upgraded bomber will increase 2,5 times.

    And what exactly will these two and a half times be? range? load??

    Good question! How is the combat effectiveness of the aviation complex considered? But in different ways. Even within the same military organization.
  • There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 9 December 2015 18: 07 New
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    But will it be too late?
  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 9 December 2015 18: 13 New
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    The Ministry of Defense will begin to receive new strategic bombers Tu-160М2 no later than 2023 g, Long. A very long time. Did you try to work in three shifts? And it would be necessary.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 December 2015 18: 15 New
    +2
    In terms of striking power, such a device is comparable to an atomic submarine missile carrier, albeit with a significantly higher mobility. And it still costs less. Therefore, there are enough such flying launch pads. His carrying capacity is already at a level, and if he still lightens the glider at the expense of composites, and the equipment on it is old - tons, his range and combat load will increase. There are no competitors in the sky for the "White Swan".
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 9 December 2015 18: 18 New
    +3
    I don’t know how you comrades are, but I can hardly imagine that we can be expected in 2020.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 9 December 2015 18: 29 New
      +2
      Bright future.... smile
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 December 2015 18: 31 New
      +3
      The same as today - only the government will change and the president will be different.
    3. ssss605
      ssss605 9 December 2015 22: 11 New
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      Full star! Old people will leave and there is no experienced youth! Nanorobots of Chubais will collect! :-)
  • Hypocrite
    Hypocrite 9 December 2015 18: 19 New
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    Who will do them after 2020?
    Father and mother have been working at KAPO all their working lives. According to conversations, young people come, work 3 months and leave, on the machines the responsible details are made by those who worked with the union, such until their retirement 3-5 years. And almost all pensioners are already in tool shops.
    If you do not increase the prestige of working professions, machine tools, electricians, etc., after 2020, nothing will stand and fly.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 9 December 2015 18: 31 New
      +4
      Ravshan and Jamshud laughing
    2. KBR109
      KBR109 9 December 2015 18: 35 New
      +2
      Your truth. But only effective managers are still honored by us. Verbosity and water in speeches. As in the Vedmedev appeal to the people. Who can remind me of at least one major high-level corruption case brought and successfully passed the trial ?? tongue
    3. ssss605
      ssss605 9 December 2015 22: 16 New
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      we will hire the Chinese .... we ourselves can’t!
    4. xtur
      xtur 10 December 2015 23: 41 New
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      > Who will make them after 2020?

      as far as can be judged by the technical process, in a couple of years they should start to make different parts of the aircraft in different places, they should slowly collect them and build prototypes for testing.

      If the plane flies in 2023, it means it should be tested for about 3 - 5 years, so by 2018 they should have a reassembled plane

      So old frames will probably have time to convey experience
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 9 December 2015 18: 29 New
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    You cannot lose the TU-160. It must work in parallel with the new PAK YES "flying wing" They are completely different and will complement each other just what is ... fellow
    1. iouris
      iouris 9 December 2015 18: 43 New
      +5
      The country would not lose ...
  • atamankko
    atamankko 9 December 2015 18: 42 New
    +3
    Spawned a lack of lawyers, economists,
    but no one thought about the prestige of a good worker
    where now to find young people so that they can build such equipment.
    1. ssss605
      ssss605 10 December 2015 01: 04 New
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      Yes, now there’s no one to teach! Earlier from generation to generation, the masters of the WWA passed on the secrets .... and now the lawyers are all ... or economists! A nail in the wall to hammer a specialist cause!
  • bydanoff.val
    bydanoff.val 9 December 2015 18: 57 New
    +3
    You can dream. The Soviet resource is over. It is impossible in the thieves' country to create something.
    1. noWAR
      noWAR 9 December 2015 20: 15 New
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      Quote: bydanoff.val
      It is impossible in the thieves' country to build something

      you are not talking about the country you don’t want to mention?
  • propolsky
    propolsky 9 December 2015 18: 59 New
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    The plane flew, went through improvements, worked out combat use for real purposes, and then once and send it into retirement, changing it to a development that is only in the drawings. Agree - stupid. It is necessary to develop an airplane; investments are not comparable.
  • vo3
    vo3 9 December 2015 19: 24 New
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    The question needs a very serious study. On the one hand, the aircraft already exists and the costs are an order of magnitude lower, the more you still need to maintain the existing ones. On the other hand, it is expensive and from a modern military point of view, the aircraft does not represent an effective military weapon. Rather, it’s a gold target. Considering problems in military information ensuring and effective management - rather not. There are more important and urgent tasks.
  • klopik1
    klopik1 9 December 2015 19: 25 New
    +4
    [media = http: //www.lepse.com/] I work in this sharaga, this year they removed the harmfulness for lead, extra leave, they reduced their salaries by one and a half times, so h .. they are not new planes.
  • Snail N9
    Snail N9 9 December 2015 19: 28 New
    +1
    Yeah, they will build it ... you don't know what will happen next week: either the ruble will "collapse" again, or the sanctions will be tightened by the very "I can not" under another "plausible" pretext, or the Third World War will begin at all ... Ah, here is 2020 ... It's just like in the parable of Khoja Nasreddin about the "talking" donkey and the stupid sultan.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 December 2015 21: 03 New
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      Yes, you do not worry - everything will be.
  • Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 9 December 2015 19: 54 New
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    Quote: Civil
    But paid commentators are apparently not up to hospitals.

    When the country does not have a modern army, the hospitals for the survivors will no longer be needed. Civilian, if you know what and how to do in order to raise both health and the army without money, do so, and do not let snot and scream. And if your job is to breed a panic in the wrong way (and not by rank), you turn. Go rear-wheel drive in a geyrop agitate.
  • GOGY
    GOGY 9 December 2015 20: 06 New
    +3
    The article is about nothing ... Sergey Shoigu instructed ... whom did he instruct? AND . it doesn’t matter, he instructed the main thing ... NK-32 engines have a resource until 2017, Kuznetsov Design Bureau (developer) and KMPO (manufacturer) have not been developing new engines for more than 10 years, the relevant personnel have scattered over the years, there is no equipment. At KAPO Gorbunov is the same, pensioners are almost persuaded to return to their knees, but the youth are not coming. Modernization has not gone anywhere, but new ones - I doubt it request
  • Ilya77
    Ilya77 9 December 2015 20: 11 New
    +5
    I work on this topic, there are very big doubts about what will happen by 2023. Although, of course, if you do one thing a year on your knee then everything is possible. I will probably be minded, but this decision to resume will show the whole abyss of the abyss between the industry of the USSR and the Russian Federation, the latter has only a pale shadow, fragments of former greatness. All system jambs come up, with personnel, with salaries, with equipment and accessories.
  • Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 9 December 2015 20: 31 New
    +1
    What? Increase efficiency 2.5 times? Can this Miracle be transcended? I just precipitate ...
  • evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 9 December 2015 20: 46 New
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    Good news. The only pity is that the issues of the "big" modernization and production of the TU-160 have been procrastinated for too long. And, God forbid, if the opinion of our member of the forum "Civil" suddenly wins.

    I want the release of these wonderful ships to start earlier and larger.
  • bydanoff.val
    bydanoff.val 9 December 2015 20: 58 New
    -2
    Russia will not save anything. Do not tell. Already only the lazy does not wipe his feet on our bourgeoisie.
  • Nik22
    Nik22 9 December 2015 21: 25 New
    +1
    noWAR (3) BY Today, 20:15 ↑ New
    Quote: bydanoff.val
    It is impossible in the thieves' country to build something
    you are not talking about the country you don’t want to mention?

    I wonder how people live who did it and primalm these decisions? ..
  • Vladimir K
    Vladimir K 9 December 2015 22: 08 New
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    The Tu-160 was created by the genius of Tupolev and he does not match modern developments. The only thing that is desirable is to have supersonic at cruising mode for a quick approach to the launch area from basing places. Our country is long. And stealth technologies when flying over our territory are not fully needed.
  • Stoler
    Stoler 9 December 2015 22: 54 New
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    "The production of new missile carriers will begin in the early 2020s" - I'm afraid they won't give us that much time.
  • From Samara
    From Samara 9 December 2015 22: 55 New
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    Correct thought. But it’s worth starting earlier ...
  • Smailfantom
    Smailfantom 9 December 2015 23: 07 New
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    Why improve * the delivery method *, even if we simply explode half of the arsenal in our country, we can already make the game have no winners, because for another purpose the Russian Federation does not make sense to use the nuclear potential. And for so many I have already looked through (probably) a good half of the comments, they again bomb me from absurdities which are sometimes carried here, and I, so to speak, will answer the most egregious of them: 1.
    Quote: Civil
    "In the Nizhny Novgorod region, the budget deficit was overcome in a very peculiar way. Based on the principle of" no source of expenses, no problem, "the only children's hospital in the city was closed in the Navashinsky regional hospital. And before that the maternity ward and the morgue were liquidated. The hospital was compacted: now sick children are placed In the wards for adults. There were 40 beds in the children's department of the Navashinsky Central Regional Hospital. Last year, with a card index for 3862 children, the number of beds was reduced to 10, but they did not stop there either - to 6, "the channel's report says.

    This is only for today, what other bombers ????
    Developments in the trailer are needed, firstly, we are large exporters of weapons, secondly, it so happened that we have many specialists in military inventions in the country and they need to feed on something. 2.
    Quote: mast
    The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's !!!
    Enough to raise everything to absolute, in the end, no one refuses to feed the army, you just need to keep it from being fat - too much money is also bad, they are primarily fed by those who are of higher rank.
  • arnulla
    arnulla 9 December 2015 23: 27 New
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    Well, the timing ..
  • IAlex
    IAlex 10 December 2015 00: 13 New
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    They promised to produce the same pepper that vowed to bomb Moldova on the Tu-160 due to the fact that he was not allowed to go there? If so, you can make breakfast now ...

    The new materials are probably plywood, and the all-digital equipment is a remote control with an antenna that says "children over 18" on the back.
    The country is already with a naked woman ... it will soon remain, due to the fall in oil prices, and "modernization", and they continue to cut the money, then on PAK YES, you see, they saw it all, now they began to cut on the Tu-160 ... it would be impossible to reach the TU-95 right away, or even better to update the software-2. Order so 20 pieces until 2050.
    And what is cheap and cheerful, even German veterans will be able to confirm that the equipment has been tested by time and military conflicts. Moreover, neither aerodrome infrastructure, nor well-educated personnel, nor trained pilots, nor sophisticated technological equipment and production, nor normal fuel for such bombers are needed. Those. general limit of perfection ...
  • uskrabut
    uskrabut 10 December 2015 08: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: IAlex
    The country is already with a naked woman ... it will soon remain, due to the fall in oil prices, and "modernization", and they continue to cut the money, then on PAK YES, you see, they saw it all, now they began to cut on the Tu-160 ... it would be impossible to reach the TU-95 right away, or even better to update the software-2. Order so 20 pieces until 2050.

    The country is in opera not because of oil prices, but because they put everything else. From the 20s to 1941, the economy in the USSR was created from scratch to the forefront in the world, and then oil and gas were not traded. Here is the answer: it’s not the price of gas with oil that is to blame, but the incompetence, laziness and theft of a separate category of leadership.
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 10 December 2015 14: 35 New
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      If not for oil prices, then because
      incompetence, laziness and theft of a separate category of leadership.
      all would have died long ago from poverty or revolutions. The entire country for the last 17 years has held on only thanks to high oil prices, so the "leadership" could engage in any stupidity, because the level of currency inflow does not depend on them ...