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Poland received the last batch of "Leopards"

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Polish Defense Ministry received the last batch tanks "Leopard-2" from the German army, reports TSAMTO.


Poland received the last batch of "Leopards"


The contract for the supply of 119 tanks and 200 units of other equipment was signed in November 2013 g, its cost was $ 180 million.

According to the newspaper, “the agreement provided for the supply of 119 tanks, including 105 units. in the version "Leopard-2A5", 14 units. in the version of "Leopard-2A4", as well as 200 units. other equipment and equipment, including: 18 BREM BPZ-2 "Bergepanzer", 40 passenger cars Mercedes-Benz 250 GD "Wolf" with the wheel formula 4X4, 120 middle-duty trucks of medium-carrying capacity Daimler-Benz 1017; light duty trucks DB U-4L with wheel formula 4X40, equipment for overcoming OBT "Leopard-1300" deep water barriers, laser shooting simulator AGDUS for OBT "Leopard-4A4", machine guns and radio stations for OBT "Zeopte" Geopard-2A2 ", machine guns and radio stations for OBT; BREM BPZ-5 "Bergepanzer" ”.

The first 11 tanks were delivered in May 2014.

According to the magazine Jane's Differences Weekly, a representative of the 34-th armored cavalry brigade of the Polish Land Forces, Captain Rafal Nowak, on November 28, the unit received the last batch of MBT Leopard-2А5. Now the team is equipped with 14-s tanks "Leopard-2A4" and 105 with newer "Leopard-2A5".

The remaining equipment, including automobiles, is expected to arrive in Poland at 2016.

It is noted that "Leopards" replaced the main tanks PT-91 "Tvardy" (Polish version T-72М) that were in service.
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  1. Air Force captain
    Air Force captain 9 December 2015 17: 29 New
    +7
    Well, that is not extreme ... and the latter is good
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 9 December 2015 17: 41 New
      +4
      А вот "2А5"-это последняя модификация?-если да-то очень недорого за все.
      1. spech
        spech 9 December 2015 18: 08 New
        0
        What is the year of production of this equipment, otherwise it is possible to upgrade it with a residual resource of 5%.
      2. potap6509
        potap6509 9 December 2015 18: 16 New
        +3
        Крайняя"2А7":http://topwar.ru/5458-tank-leopard-2a7.html
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 9 December 2015 18: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: mirag2
        А вот "2А5"-это последняя модификация?-если да-то очень недорого за все.

        What's the last one?
        In 2010, at the Eurosatory exhibition, the German company Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) demonstrated a new, seventh modification of the Leopard 2 tank, called the Leopard 2A7 +.

        It’s very surprising how these admirers of the American idea bought tanks from the Germans, because Poland so wants to take Germany’s place in Europe at the political level. It turns out that the Germans and Poles are participating in an unspoken race for the minds of Europeans, while being pushed by .. Americans
      4. tankovod
        tankovod 9 December 2015 20: 28 New
        0
        No, there are still modifications 2a6 and 2a7
      5. 222222
        222222 9 December 2015 20: 32 New
        +2
        Poland received the last batch of "Leopards"
        .Now Poland -BREAKED ... laughing
      6. Patient
        Patient 9 December 2015 21: 29 New
        +2
        I welcome, 2A7 is the last modification, but this is a piece product, Germany itself has one unit, not to mention deliveries to Poland.
        1. 78bor1973
          78bor1973 9 December 2015 22: 56 New
          0
          It looks like the Bundeswehr is not going to fight!
          1. DenZ
            DenZ 10 December 2015 09: 13 New
            0
            Very similar to overseas tactics. And this is alarming.
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    3. Rezident007
      Rezident007 9 December 2015 18: 26 New
      +3
      Мне ну никак не верится, что человечество готово вновь начать мировую войну.. Как все-таки притупляется память и уроки истории ничему не учат! А может это единственный и последний шанс на существование своего народа, как у поляков "или пан, или пропал.."? В принципе говоря поляки думаем про Евросоюз уже. Только как не могут они понять, что веер угрозы дует с ближнего востока, исламского востока, откуда уже идет полномасштабная оккупация Европы без войны! И если им нужны ресурсы России(по-крайней мере они говорят, что нам нужны только лишь ресурсы), то двинули ли бы на ближний Восток - там их тоже завались по полной! Отчего же не идут войной на них? Тем более есть прецедент - исламизация Европы - вроде крестового похода. Нет - им именно русские во всем виноваты, эти дикие варвары с северного востока! Европейца будет резать араб, а он в этом будет винить русского! Парадокс! И страдают все, все...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 December 2015 18: 35 New
        +5
        History teaches us that it teaches nothing — everything is quickly forgotten.
        1. cniza
          cniza 9 December 2015 18: 42 New
          +4
          [quote = Vadim237] History teaches that it does not teach anything - everything is quickly forgotten. [/ quote


          Unfortunately, you are right, each generation repeats the mistakes of their ancestors.
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    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 9 December 2015 20: 07 New
      +4
      And Ukraine said that it will modernize its T-72 to the level of the Polish RT-91. Only everyone doubted that this was modernization, most likely the usual transfer of weapons to the Armed Forces.
    5. foxic
      foxic 10 December 2015 05: 16 New
      0
      плохо, что теперь в Польше появляется избыток "твардов" (т72), и с большой вероятностью их можно ждать в Донбассе ....
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 9 December 2015 17: 30 New
    +9
    Poland imagines itself to be the new Commonwealth. Poles are equally the same warriors as Georgians. And I would like to ask a question - what are you Poles, today, in fact, without the USA?
    1. sever.56
      sever.56 9 December 2015 17: 37 New
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      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/440/mcop329.png
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    3. mirag2
      mirag2 9 December 2015 17: 40 New
      +1
      and what are you Poles, today, in fact, without the United States?
      -the same as Israel without the United States.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 December 2015 17: 46 New
        +8
        Quote: mirag2
        -the same as Israel without the United States.

        No, Israel has a good, combat-ready and mobile army and navy. And Poland, what apples and dreams of a part of Ukraine?
      2. Sober
        Sober 9 December 2015 18: 20 New
        0
        Quote: mirag2
        -the same as Israel without the United States.

        Same as the USA without Israel.
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    5. Sober
      Sober 9 December 2015 18: 14 New
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      ask a question, what are you Poles, today, in fact, without the United States?

      And they will answer: but we are all!
  3. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 9 December 2015 17: 31 New
    +2
    Tigers, Panthers, already burned on the Kursk, the line will reach the Leopards, I think the torch from them ultra modern will turn out so to speak environmentally friendly laughing
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 December 2015 17: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: kod3001
      Tigers, Panthers, already burned on the Kursk, the line will reach the Leopards, I think the torch from them ultra modern will turn out so to speak environmentally friendly laughing

      I wonder what they think, looking at these tanks and the squeals of the Polish elite towards Russia, the Polish war veterans who fought alongside Russian soldiers? Apparently also about the Tigers and Panthers burning on Russian soil.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 9 December 2015 17: 59 New
        +4
        NEXUS

        No one asks Polish veterans. Poles remember Soviet times well. Everything they had and lived stably.

        And now they live, who like. Who is better, who is worse. Poisoned by the lies of the media, directed anti-Russian. Without knowing the whole truth, they cannot be responsible for the actions of their government. And come.

        Replacing Western-style equipment is the standardization of a single platform.
      2. Sober
        Sober 9 December 2015 18: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        Polish war veterans who fought alongside Russian soldiers?

        There are few of them left, and the voice is weak, and the forces are not the same.
    2. Imperialkolorad
      Imperialkolorad 9 December 2015 17: 48 New
      +1
      Rather ultra-expensive.
    3. BABA SHURA
      BABA SHURA 9 December 2015 17: 56 New
      +2
      Охотиться нужно на территории того заповедника, где эти самые "лЯпарды и проживают!!!
    4. infantryman2020
      infantryman2020 9 December 2015 18: 05 New
      +2
      Our losses of armored vehicles on the Kursk Bulge are 4 (four) times higher than in Germany. Again cheap cheers-patriotism.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 December 2015 18: 10 New
        11
        Quote: infantryman2020
        Our losses of armored vehicles on the Kursk Bulge are 4 (four) times higher than in Germany.

        Only due to the fact that the cannon near the Tiger effectively knocked out our tanks at a distance of 2 km, and our 34 matches had to go at a distance of 500-800 meters in order to guaranteed break through the German tank. Therefore, the losses are the same. But at the same time, while the Germans collected one Tiger on the line, the USSR produced 5 t-34s.
        Quote: infantryman2020
        Again cheap cheers-patriotism.

        You dear, do not confuse the memory of that Victory with the cheap exhaust of the patriots cheers.
        1. UREC
          UREC 9 December 2015 22: 03 New
          0
          I would like to add that the Tiger is a heavy tank with appropriate armor, and the T-34 is medium. The guns mounted on the tanks had a shell of various powers. Advantage 34 ki only higher speed and maneuverability.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 9 December 2015 22: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: UREC
            I would like to add that the Tiger is a heavy tank with appropriate armor, and the T-34 is medium. The guns mounted on the tanks had a shell of various powers. Advantage 34 ki only higher speed and maneuverability.

            At the same time, the Tiger had a significant problem, this is the dissonance of the mass of the tank with engine power. Many cars were thrown on the march because of this.
    5. vladstro
      vladstro 9 December 2015 18: 22 New
      0
      German tanks in Poland as in the 39th, so by analogy after 2 years we have to wait for them, and after four more our teshes will be back in Berlin. wink
    6. asiat_61
      asiat_61 10 December 2015 00: 58 New
      0
      ON_A torch?
    7. tiheros
      tiheros 10 December 2015 02: 08 New
      +1
      I think that burn This time they will be much more west.
  4. prabiz
    prabiz 9 December 2015 17: 31 New
    +7
    AGAIN GERMAN EQUIPMENT WILL REPLACE THE POLISH LAND recourse
  5. Lanista
    Lanista 9 December 2015 17: 32 New
    +2
    "Любопытно посмотреть, как вы будете гореть" (с) С.Маршак (в оригинале о лампочке, но применимо и к этой ситуации).
    And yes
    Polish Defense Ministry received the last batch of tanks "Leopord-2 ”from the German army, TsAMTO reports.

    Тогда уж лучше "ЛеупЁрд".
  6. Monos
    Monos 9 December 2015 17: 34 New
    +9
    Деды жгли "Тигры" и "Пантеры", внукам придётся жечь "Леопардов". Судьба.
  7. Belarus
    Belarus 9 December 2015 17: 39 New
    +5
    Ради интереса стоит отметить что "Лерпард-2" хороший танк.Но у меня остается вопрос : в какой комплектации эти танки поступили в Польшу? Ведь можно поставит и танки в простой т.е без наворотов модификации.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 December 2015 17: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Belarus
      Ради интереса стоит отметить что "Лерпард-2" хороший танк.Но у меня остается вопрос : в какой комплектации эти танки поступили в Польшу? Ведь можно поставит и танки в простой т.е без наворотов модификации.

      Yes, in any configuration and modification for the T-90C this is not a bad rival, digestible hi .A Armata, and even game.
      1. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ 9 December 2015 17: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        Yes, in any configuration and modification for the T-90C, this is not a bad rival, digestible. And Armata, it’s completely game

        Well, we can say little about the Armata tank.
        As for the T-90, this is a deep modernization of the 72nd platform. The 120-mm projectile that hits the T-72 is guaranteed to disable it. RPG-7 (or equivalent), guaranteed disables the t-72, proved by the war 08.08.08.
        When one of the fighters of the South Ossetian resistance shot exactly at the space between the tower and the hull. The crew didn’t even manage to get out, the Georgian tank was torn to shreds (by the way, the tank was modernized by the Israelis, and the latest ballistic computer was installed there, among other things).
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 9 December 2015 18: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: _Vladislav_
          As for the T-90, this is a deep modernization of the 72 platform.

          Deep modernization, this is essentially a new tank. Now let's recall the price and compare. And also remember the training course on the Leopard and on the T-90С, (I'm talking about the level of students and the duration of training).

          Quote: _Vladislav_
          The 120-mm projectile that hits the T-72 is guaranteed to disable it.

          125 mm cannon shell 2A46M-5, guaranteed to knock out the Leopard.
          And in the appendage, we recall the repair suitability in the field, as well as the mass of these tanks.
          About the time spent on the production of one unit, I will not say anything.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 9 December 2015 18: 27 New
            0
            Most likely a cumulative shot with armor penetration of 800 Leopard 2 in the forehead will withstand, as well as MPS Mango M.
          2. mav1971
            mav1971 9 December 2015 19: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            As for the T-90, this is a deep modernization of the 72 platform.

            Deep modernization, this is essentially a new tank. Now let's recall the price and compare. And also remember the training course on the Leopard and on the T-90С, (I'm talking about the level of students and the duration of training).

            Quote: _Vladislav_
            The 120-mm projectile that hits the T-72 is guaranteed to disable it.

            125 mm cannon shell 2A46M-5, guaranteed to knock out the Leopard.
            And in the appendage, we recall the repair suitability in the field, as well as the mass of these tanks.
            About the time spent on the production of one unit, I will not say anything.


            Teach materiel!
            The cost of modern Russian weapons has become at least the same, if not more expensive, than Western ones.
            Which, for me, is already complete nonsense, for the wages of Russian workers in 3-4 are times less.
            T-90 at 2011 prices of the year was 120 million dollars - which was 4 million dollars. Exactly the same price is Leopard 2A6.
            And the same Armata was already considered at the beginning of the 2014 year under 7-8 million dollars. And even in general, some estimated at 13 million dollars.
            Pre-crisis!


            forget about that. what happened in Soviet times.
            everything has changed.
            Stop hatred.
            Who are you going to put at the leverage of tanks?
            In Soviet times, there was a huge mass of tractor drivers working in agriculture, graduates of rural schools, where they taught labor to drive trucks and tractors.

            Where is the last 25 years?
            No.
            Well, learn not to tongue grind nonsense, but to think. Just think a little!
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 9 December 2015 19: 29 New
              +3
              Exactly the same price is Leopard 2A6.
              Germany in 2006-2009 exported (mainly licensed production of MBT Leopard-2 in Greece and Spain) 292 MBT worth 3,03 billion dollars. For the period 2010-2013. the order portfolio is so far 122 new cars worth 1,21 billion dollars. Price parameter for one MBT in 2006-2009 made up 10,38 million dollars, in 2010-2013 years. - 9,92 million dollars















              Quote: mav1971
              Well, learn not to tongue grind nonsense, but to think. Just think a little!

              Can you learn this?
              1. mav1971
                mav1971 9 December 2015 19: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: NEXUS
                Exactly the same price is Leopard 2A6.
                Germany in 2006-2009 exported (mainly licensed production of MBT Leopard-2 in Greece and Spain) 292 MBT worth 3,03 billion dollars. For the period 2010-2013. the order portfolio is so far 122 new cars worth 1,21 billion dollars. Price parameter for one MBT in 2006-2009 made up 10,38 million dollars, in 2010-2013 years. - 9,92 million dollars


                Contracts on it were on 4.5 - 4.9 million dollars. For Germany.

                Цитата с этого же сайта"Бывший первый заместитель начальника Главного автобронетанкового управления Министерства обороны (ГАБТУ) генерал-лейтенант запаса Юрий Коваленко приводил другие цифры. По его словам, стоимость Т-90А – где-то в пределах 70 млн руб. за единицу, американского танка Abrams – 217 млн руб., французского Leclerc – 255 млн, немецкого Leopard-2 – 167 млн, а украинского Т-80 – 120 млн руб. Другими словами, наш танк – самый дешевый. Но вот стоимость одного танка проекта «Армата», по оценкам, звучавшим в открытых источниках, превысит 400 млн руб (никаких официальных подтверждений этой цифры не было и быть не могло)."
                http://topwar.ru/62930-cena-tanka-armata-vyzvala-spory.html

                Where does 10 million dollars come from?


                Quote: mav1971
                Well, learn not to tongue grind nonsense, but to think. Just think a little!

                Can you learn this?

                Well, well.
                Urya-Urya!
            2. Fafnir
              Fafnir 9 December 2015 19: 50 New
              0
              A huge mass of tractor drivers did not disappear. Nearby SPTU produces about 120 people a year. As in Soviet times. Schools teach truck driving, though not in labor lessons smile, а в ДОСААФ (бесплатно естественно, на "С", от военкомата). Про сельские школы точно не знаю, но вроде у приличной части сохранилась матбаза и соответственно обучение. По крайней мере это касается Волгоградской области.
        2. Forest
          Forest 9 December 2015 18: 28 New
          0
          Not every Leo will pierce any 72-ku in the forehead. In the stern of modern MBT even from KPVT with armored personnel carriers can be burned.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 9 December 2015 18: 45 New
            +2
            Given the characteristics of the new German ammunition - the T 72B3 will break through at 100, and at the expense of the stern - you need to get close to it from the beginning - the optical instruments on German tanks are excellent.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 9 December 2015 18: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              Given the characteristics of the new German ammunition - the T 72B3 will break through at 100, and at the expense of the stern - you need to get close to it from the beginning - the optical instruments on German tanks are excellent.

              If we were talking about the confrontation, then we can recall the ammunition Invar-M, Reflex-M, which work very well on armor.
            2. Forest
              Forest 9 December 2015 20: 55 New
              +1
              The latest BOPS from the Germans only on Leo 2A7, of which 20 pieces. I wrote about stern for all tanks, because in the comment above it is written that not only the shell, but also the RPG is able to knock out 72-ku. Leo, therefore, is everywhere monolithic 500-700-mm armor as protected in the forehead. But in fact - modern MBTs quite realistically can not penetrate each other at all, because to have the declared 800-900 mm penetration at 2 km under 60 grad for Rh120 / L55 - something is very doubtful.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 9 December 2015 20: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: Forest
                The latest BOPS from the Germans only on Leo 2A7, of which 20 pieces. I wrote about stern for all tanks, because in the comment above it is written that not only the shell, but also the RPG is capable of knocking out a 72-ku. Leo, therefore, is everywhere protected by a monolithic 500-700 mm armor as in his forehead.

                Reflex-M has an armor penetration of 900 mm hi
                1. Forest
                  Forest 9 December 2015 22: 25 New
                  0
                  Firstly, Reflex is a TOUR with a cumulative warhead, not a BOPS. Secondly, with an average battle distance of 500-1500 m, there is nowhere for the TOURs to turn around for the European theater of operations, as in Chechnya, they will work at maximum with snipers and machine guns with 3-4 km, at least they won’t even put them in the carousel.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 10 December 2015 00: 21 New
                -1
                At the Steel Research Institute, it was already calculated that the DM 63 penetrates 2 millimeters of armor at a range of 60 kilometers at an angle of 1000.
                1. Forest
                  Forest 10 December 2015 09: 36 New
                  0
                  While there were no shelling of armor - it is too early to talk about armor penetration. 1000 mm at 2 km smacks of nonsense.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 December 2015 18: 23 New
        0
        We don’t know what ammunition was delivered to these tanks, otherwise it may turn out that T 90 and all other tanks can become a game - one hit and hello.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 9 December 2015 18: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          We don’t know what ammunition was delivered to these tanks, otherwise it may turn out that T 90 and all other tanks can become a game - one hit and hello.

          Tank battles have long ceased to exist. The same Leopold is easily beaten out by the Night Hunter or Chrysanthemum. And to the question of ammunition, there is nothing impenetrable. And the German burns just as good as any other tank. And Krasnopol, the T-90 can easily and simply at a distance that is beyond the reach of Leopold’s cannon.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 9 December 2015 18: 48 New
            +2
            Для применения танковых управляемых ракет "Рефлекс" на максимальную дальность нужны хорошие погодные условия и равнинная местность.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 9 December 2015 19: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              Для применения танковых управляемых ракет "Рефлекс" на максимальную дальность нужны хорошие погодные условия и равнинная местность.

              To stop this useless argument, I’ll ask you one question: “How many tanks (of all varieties) are NATO armed with and how many do we have? If you answer this question, you will get an answer to the question of tank confrontation between us and anyone else It was.
              Best regards hi
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 9 December 2015 20: 56 New
                +1
                So here another question arises - how many NATO countries have ATGMs hitting the top of the tower and how many such systems do we have.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 9 December 2015 21: 00 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  So here another question arises - how many NATO countries have ATGMs hitting the top of the tower and how many such systems do we have.

                  Take it in the complex, taking into account ALL the means of hitting tanks. For example, the same Chrysanthemum, which has 15 missiles with armor penetration of 1200 mm and two on a platoon. This is me, for example ...
                  Best regards hi
          2. mav1971
            mav1971 9 December 2015 19: 22 New
            0
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: Vadim237
            We don’t know what ammunition was delivered to these tanks, otherwise it may turn out that T 90 and all other tanks can become a game - one hit and hello.

            Tank battles have long ceased to exist. The same Leopold is easily beaten out by the Night Hunter or Chrysanthemum. And to the question of ammunition, there is nothing impenetrable. And the German burns just as good as any other tank. And Krasnopol, the T-90 can easily and simply at a distance that is beyond the reach of Leopold’s cannon.


            No helicopters in Europe?
            Tigers there, Apaches, Italian A-129 - not anti-tank helicopters?

            Krasnopoli almost all burned up during the explosions of arsenals.
            and the caliber of Krasnopol is 152mm, which is not a tank caliber at all!
            Learn the materiel again!
            And Krasnopol is not a panacea. not the best option.
            The Hindus abandoned the second batch due to the poor quality of the shells.
            The cost of Krasnopol at the moment is 6 million rubles.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 9 December 2015 19: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: mav1971
              and the caliber of Krasnopol is 152mm, which is not a tank caliber at all!

              Then I just confused with Reflex. My mistake. Thank you for correcting me.
              Quote: mav1971
              No helicopters in Europe?
              Tigers there, Apaches, Italian A-129 - not anti-tank helicopters?

              At the European theater of war, do you seriously believe that these helicopters can do anything? Blessed is anyone who believes.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 9 December 2015 21: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          We don’t know what ammunition was delivered to these tanks, otherwise it may turn out that T 90 and all other tanks can become a game - one hit and hello.

          So we have ammunition not WWII wink
      3. mav1971
        mav1971 9 December 2015 18: 59 New
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        Quote: NEXUS
        .... .A Armata, and even game.


        Вам уже не один десяток раз говорили: "не говори гоп, не ставь телегу вперед лошади, не хвались идучи на рать" - вы же все равно, как попугай Попка несете ахинею...
        There is no Almaty! no!
        it is not in the troops. and 10 will not be yet.
        For around the ass in the economy! And there is simply no money for mass production of Almaty!
        When will you start living realities?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 9 December 2015 19: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: mav1971
          Вам уже не один десяток раз говорили: "не говори гоп, не ставь телегу вперед лошади, не хвались идучи на рать" - вы же все равно, как попугай Попка несете ахинею...

          Dear, from branch to branch, I observe only one picture, these are your bubbles and ambition, which is whipping over the edge. At the same time, you really look like that parrot with an overestimated self-esteem, seriously believing that the level of your knowledge is unbelievable.
          Quote: mav1971
          There is no Almaty! no!
          it is not in the troops. and 10 will not be yet.

          Your right to think so.
          Quote: mav1971
          For around the ass in the economy! And there is simply no money for mass production of Almaty!

          Поднимите руки и идите сдаваться.Что не пост ваш,так-"все капец как плохо в России".Что же вы живете в таком дерьмовом то государстве?
          Quote: mav1971
          When will you start living realities?

          I live by reality and don’t whine about the fact that everything in my country is bad and it's time to collect a bag and crawl slowly to the cemetery. I work, provide for my family, and certainly if I earn somewhere worse than I want, I don’t pay blaming GDP, and his environment, but just working more and more productively, so that everything is enough for all the needs of my family.
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 9 December 2015 20: 07 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: mav1971
            Вам уже не один десяток раз говорили: "не говори гоп, не ставь телегу вперед лошади, не хвались идучи на рать" - вы же все равно, как попугай Попка несете ахинею...

            Dear, from branch to branch, I observe only one picture, these are your bubbles and ambition, which is whipping over the edge. At the same time, you really look like that parrot with an overestimated self-esteem, seriously believing that the level of your knowledge is unbelievable.
            Quote: mav1971
            There is no Almaty! no!
            it is not in the troops. and 10 will not be yet.

            Your right to think so.
            Quote: mav1971
            For around the ass in the economy! And there is simply no money for mass production of Almaty!

            Поднимите руки и идите сдаваться.Что не пост ваш,так-"все капец как плохо в России".Что же вы живете в таком дерьмовом то государстве?
            Quote: mav1971
            When will you start living realities?

            I live by reality and don’t whine about the fact that everything in my country is bad and it's time to collect a bag and crawl slowly to the cemetery. I work, provide for my family, and certainly if I earn somewhere worse than I want, I don’t pay blaming GDP, and his environment, but just working more and more productively, so that everything is enough for all the needs of my family.


            On the topic, that is, what can I say?
            What about the numbers?
            Or just stick out your insults?
            How many Armata tanks are in service?
            What parts are equipped with them?
            do not answer me - answer this question for yourself.
            Go to the mirror and answer.
            And learn to be an adult.
            Learn to understand that there is not only white and black.
            If I hate the stupid hat-making rya-patriotism, then this does not mean. that I am an enemy of my homeland!
            I love her! maybe more of yours!
            That's just weaned me to disregard the enemies.
            And you can’t release a sportsman against a master of sports. As if he didn’t want to. For he has neither strength, nor technology, nor experience.
            Here we are now.
            No strength, no technology - you need to save!
            In the meantime, save up - sit and watch! notice everything, study everything! what he is and how he is!
            Что бы потом - когла силенками и техникой сравняешься - "бить лопатой" по уязвимым местам! и наповал.
            And you’ll climb now - they’ll knock over with one blow. And you won’t crawl out of the ring yourself. Have to take it!
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 9 December 2015 20: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: mav1971
              On the topic, that is, what can I say?
              What about the numbers?
              Or just stick out your insults?

              Да какие обиды то,Господи.Вы не меряйте всех то по себе.Просто научитесь уважать мнение оппонента,а не хамоватость свою выпячивать.Вот это точно не "по взрослому".
              Quote: mav1971
              How many Armata tanks are in service?
              What parts are equipped with them?
              do not answer me - answer this question for yourself.

              Вы уважаемый утверждаете,что через 10 лет Армата появятся в частях.А я вот считаю через года 2-4(все зависит от испытаний).А по поводу сколько Армат в армии,так и разговор то был о том ,"какой хороший танк Леопард-2".И по мне тот же Т-90С ничуть не хуже.

              Quote: mav1971
              Learn to understand that there is not only white and black.

              Here you go ... and get the cards in your hands.
              Quote: mav1971
              If I hate the stupid hat-making rya-patriotism, then this does not mean. that I am an enemy of my homeland!

              And who is throwing hats here? How many tanks of various modifications are available in Russia and how many are the whole of NATO? It’s not to drag them across the Atlantic, but everything is nearby.

              Quote: mav1971
              I love her! maybe more of yours!

              Honor and praise if you sincerely say this.
              Quote: mav1971
              That's just weaned me to disregard the enemies.

              Where did you see, in my post, that I do not care about the enemy then? If I think that our T-90C is no worse than the Leopard, this is not a disregard, and my opinion is not forbidden on the forum to anyone, not even you.
              Quote: mav1971
              No strength, no technology - you need to save!
              In the meantime, save up - sit and watch! notice everything, study everything! what he is and how he is!

              А ,простите,я говорил,что завтра с криком -АЛЯ УЛЮ !ломиться танковым клином "ровнять"гусеницами наших танков Европу?
              Вы научитесь хоть иногда слушать оппонента,а не хамить и "гнуть пальцы",полагая ,что люди сидящие на этом форуме темны,при этом вы светоч в конце этого тоннеля.
          2. mvg
            mvg 10 December 2015 00: 18 New
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            Nexus, you confused a person with me ... :-) See, my words are told to you by another person and not one :-).
            you live in the clouds !!!
            Here, by the way, is a table on the modern shells of the OPS OBPS. These are not the ones you read about and of which 1.5 are in the whole country.
            http://btvt.narod.ru/4/bps.htm

            I wish the Syrians had these 120 Leopards at a price of $ 1 million per unit, like Poles ..
        2. tiheros
          tiheros 10 December 2015 02: 20 New
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          Sorry to meet you. But as a resident of Europe I would like to know from you at least one European economy that is not in the house, with the exception of Scandinavia
  8. From Samara
    From Samara 9 December 2015 17: 40 New
    +5
    A good tank Leopard, one of the best in the world ...
  9. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 9 December 2015 17: 41 New
    +2
    С этим "Пунктом приёма" всё понятно! Меня,сейчас,другая тема занимает: всё-таки,тигр Амур козла Тимура сожрёт?! belay
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 9 December 2015 22: 26 New
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      Quote: ALABAY45
      Still, the tiger Amur goat Timur gobbled up?

      Well, if that’s him in the heat of the goat sad calls, then yes.
      Hi, undershot drinks
  10. aba
    aba 9 December 2015 17: 42 New
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    Received and received, and what of this ?! But will they make the weather ?!
  11. Wolverine
    Wolverine 9 December 2015 17: 42 New
    -1
    Yes, we are on the drum, tigers are рыmigres, leopards, they burn equally well.
  12. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 9 December 2015 17: 42 New
    +4
    The Poles are already shaking with fear (before Russia laughing ), and the equipment, anyway, is buying a used one.

    Second-hand army in a used state.
  13. Uhalus
    Uhalus 9 December 2015 17: 43 New
    +4
    Interestingly, how will they service, repair them? It’s not enough to get tanks, you need a base, parts, personnel ... They, it seems, are refueling completely not by what our T-72s are eating. A complete set? - basic, for developing countries?
  14. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 9 December 2015 17: 51 New
    -2
    Leoperds, so leoperds, we’ll figure it out.
  15. bronik
    bronik 9 December 2015 17: 53 New
    +2
    They will sell their obsolete Dill, I think one and a half times more expensive than these bought. He is a business in Poland, too. More precisely especially in Poland.
  16. Olegater
    Olegater 9 December 2015 17: 55 New
    +2
    Poland received the last batch of "Leopards" I was pleased with this title, and the main word the last.
  17. bear
    bear 9 December 2015 17: 56 New
    +1
    And the preparations all go quietly !!!
  18. SPB 1221
    SPB 1221 9 December 2015 17: 57 New
    +1
    A country that is p / r / o / s / t / and / t / u / t / c / o / y / should not receive condoms but tanks !!!
  19. Circuit breaker
    Circuit breaker 9 December 2015 18: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: SPB 1221
    A country that is p / r / o / s / t / and / t / u / t / c / o / y / should not receive condoms but tanks !!!

    They didn’t even make money on it. wassat
  20. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 9 December 2015 18: 25 New
    +2
    Poland wants to be another Turkey or what? Everything is arming itself, is it afraid that something will be spiky! Or there are many ambitions, he wants to rob the land from Poroshenko.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 December 2015 18: 49 New
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      Most likely to take away the earth.
  21. vic58
    vic58 9 December 2015 18: 39 New
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    Quote: NEXUS
    Poland imagines itself to be the new Commonwealth. Poles are equally the same warriors as Georgians. And I would like to ask a question - what are you Poles, today, in fact, without the USA?

    Well, in Georgia there is even a choir)) And the Poles are European running champions
  22. Sasha75
    Sasha75 9 December 2015 19: 04 New
    +1
    Once, the Poles had long ago been rearmament with Russian weapons. Mosinki were changed to a Mauser and somehow it didn’t work out for them, I even remember that Poland was divided then everything is repeated.
  23. skaramaks27
    skaramaks27 9 December 2015 19: 18 New
    +1
    Well, Teutonic crosses again on Polish soil. History has made another round, so that a repetition of September 01.09.1939, XNUMX is possible.
  24. shosha
    shosha 9 December 2015 20: 15 New
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    Quote: Captain Air Force
    Well, that is not extreme ...

    Here the key word is the last!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 December 2015 20: 49 New
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      Most likely it’s not the last - time will pass, they will still order.
  25. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 9 December 2015 20: 32 New
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    And again, German tanks travel around Poland. lol
  26. shura7782
    shura7782 9 December 2015 21: 00 New
    +3
    For some reason, the discussion turned into a plane whose tank is better or not worse. At the tank biathlon to see the best crews of this equipment. It seems to me who has better tankers and that is right.
    1. andrew-z
      andrew-z 9 December 2015 22: 06 New
      +5
      Так у них на западе есть свой танковый биатлон - "Приз канадской армии", причем там основное внимание уделяется не быстрой езде. а точности стрельбы.
      The first places were occupied by the crews of Leopards-2.
  27. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 9 December 2015 22: 01 New
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    А я то думаю, чего бундэсверовцы на учения ездят почти без техники и оружия? Продали всё! Свою армию "РАСПИЛИЛИ"!!! wassat
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 December 2015 00: 27 New
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      And they have no one to defend themselves in, 117 American bases in Germany — here they are and will protect the Germans.
  28. Zomanus
    Zomanus 10 December 2015 05: 38 New
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    Well, Poland bought tanks and why?
    Do you think that tanks will fight with tanks?
    Yes figs there. And attack helicopters will go into business
    and anti-tank systems. And all this is originally intended for
    destruction of tanks. What is put on the Tigers with four TPK?
    И это я еще про "Хризантему" молчу, с ее несколькими каналами
    and a drum on dofiga rockets.
    So the tank on the tank now little where climb.
  29. Wolka
    Wolka 10 December 2015 06: 17 New
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    in order to contain this bunch of German tanks you need money, and a lot of money, that’s why the gentlemen strategists from the Government of the Russian Federation set a goal, what needs to be done with the import from Poles, so that not one of these tanks will ever fire ...