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About life in the “capital” DAISH - refugee story

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Illegally fled to Turkey, a resident of the Syrian city of Rakka, considered the "capital" of the "Islamic state", told CNN journalists what the previously prosperous city had become.




According to the former teacher, who named himself Suleiman, a smuggler smuggled him along with his family to Turkey for $ 500 (the monthly income of a refugee is $ 150).

Life in Raqqa he called hell. “It is hell, and not earthly paradise, as the militant DAISH describe in their propaganda materials, the refugee calls existence under the yoke of the radicals,” the correspondent comments.

Suleiman noted that local residents are forced to join Daesh because of fear for their lives and hunger.

“For today's Raqqa, there are crowds of people gathered in front of the buildings that house the cells of radical Islamist groups. Residents daily try to get some food from the “authorities”, but give it out in small quantities only to loyal and supportive IS ”, the agency quotes the refugee Ридус.

According to him, "airstrikes on the oil facilities of terrorists led to an increase in the cost of fuel and gas in the territories under their control, and electricity is supplied only 12 hours per day."

At the same time, the interlocutor said that “the bombardment of the positions of jihadists is not very effective, since they manage to escape”. Militants are more "wary of drones, whose performance is higher."

Terrorists are also trying to block the uncontrolled access to the Internet to “non-Igilovs”. “There are still a few Internet cafes in Rakka, and local residents who call in there are suspected of passing information to foreign intelligence agents,” said Suleiman.

“It was for the suspicion of espionage that hundreds of citizens were beheaded or killed,” he explained.

According to the refugee, the streets of the “capital” “are patrolled by a huge number of children with weapons". At the same time, he noted that “the majority of jihadist children trained in special camps arrived with their parents from Chechnya”.

“Paranoia, unwillingness to communicate for fear of execution in the event of an“ extra word ”and the most severe violence are only intensified in Rakka day after day,” the source said.

He does not intend to remain for a long time “dangerously close to a group practicing Sharia law, for which chopping off the heads and placing them on the central square has become the daily norm.” Together with other refugees Suleiman will make his way to Europe.

“I want my children to see a better life, get an education and realize that there is a world in which there is no war,” he said in conclusion.
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  1. Uran
    Uran 9 December 2015 15: 30
    +8
    Horror, it's just savages! and in truth, the fight against this cancer is carried out by those peoples who have experienced bitterness and distress from this sacrilegious, inhuman animal Isil!
    1. Decathlon
      Decathlon 9 December 2015 15: 35
      38
      Yes you?! It's just "moderate opposition"! Peaceful bearded bakers ...
      1. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ 9 December 2015 15: 39
        16
        It is quite obvious - ISIS is a very complex and expensive proxy system (Saudis, Americans, Qatar and Turkey).
        We need this igil - to shoe, dress, feed, arm, pay igil money, so that they, in turn, pay those who are involved and work at support facilities, on the territory of the igil controlled, pay considerable funds to people involved in oil transportation (and this is transport, it service, logistics, etc.).

        And then there is Russia with its aviation. It destroys everything.
        McCain promised them something else.
      2. mihasik
        mihasik 9 December 2015 15: 42
        +9
        Quote: Decathlon
        Yes you?! It's just "moderate opposition"! Peaceful bearded bakers ...

        From Chechnya, families came ...
        1. Penetrator
          Penetrator 9 December 2015 16: 12
          +9
          Quote: mihasik

          From Chechnya, families came ...

          Jihadist tourists, damn it .. Uh, Ramzan Akhmatovich, these are your fellow tribesmen. Maybe somehow deal with them? According to your laws of mountains?
          1. good7
            good7 9 December 2015 16: 24
            +3
            Well, how does he admit!
          2. mihasik
            mihasik 9 December 2015 17: 26
            +4
            Quote: Penetrator
            Quote: mihasik

            From Chechnya, families came ...

            Jihadist tourists, damn it .. Uh, Ramzan Akhmatovich, these are your fellow tribesmen. Maybe somehow deal with them? According to your laws of mountains?

            That's why we arrived because it was no longer safe in Chechnya). Say thank you that these "tourists" did not go to some Voronezh ...
            1. Throw
              Throw 9 December 2015 20: 01
              +1
              And this is how you look, "not safe" or it has become too much.
              In general, they were supposed to be caught by Kadyrov's people and go, together with the recruiters, to "some" Magadan.
              1. mihasik
                mihasik 10 December 2015 03: 46
                0
                Quote: Lance
                And this is how you look, "not safe" or it has become too much.
                In general, they were supposed to be caught by Kadyrov's people and go, together with the recruiters, to "some" Magadan.

                Not everything is so simple!)
                I repeat:
                1. Throw
                  Throw 11 December 2015 01: 12
                  0
                  And why repeat it?
                  What is your position, ambiguous?
                  So to live?
                  Or what to do?
        2. anfil
          anfil 9 December 2015 16: 43
          10
          Today, there are 165-170 teips in Chechnya. Of these: mountainous - about 100, lowland - about 70. At the same time, some are considered "clean", autochthonous, and others - "unclean", that is, formed by newcomers from other lands who joined the Chechen society.
          Despite the fact that every Chechen is clearly aware of his teip affiliation, it can be said that until the beginning of the 90s the problem of teips in its current understanding did not exist. The ideologists of the Dudayevism played this card in order to split the single Chechen ethnos, dividing it into privileged ("pure") and unprivileged ("impure") teips. Many Chechens, including members of the intelligentsia, joined in these games and boastfully ranked themselves as "aristocratic" and their ideological opponents as "unclean" teips.

          So Daesh agitators probably play their card on this.
      3. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 9 December 2015 16: 02
        +1
        Peaceful bearded bakers ...


        Interestingly, they bake for the loaf in the illustration. am
      4. Lukich
        Lukich 9 December 2015 17: 26
        +3
        Quote: Decathlon
        Yes you?! It's just "moderate opposition"! Peaceful bearded bakers ...

        and how did we not understand this before?
        1. mihasik
          mihasik 9 December 2015 17: 43
          0
          Quote: Lukich
          Quote: Decathlon
          Yes you?! It's just "moderate opposition"! Peaceful bearded bakers ...

          and how did we not understand this before?

          So because the West is not listening! am laughing
      5. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 9 December 2015 18: 41
        0
        Quote: Decathlon
        Yes you?! It's just "moderate opposition"! Peaceful bearded bakers ...

        It would be necessary to organize an unlimited tour to the States for the brightest "oppositionists" with their comrades-in-arms!
        As a reward for your labors!
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 9 December 2015 15: 37
      11
      Quote: Uranus
      Horror it's just savages

      And how many of these savages already exist? And if they still exist, it means it is beneficial to someone, we and Assad are really fighting the barmaley, the rest benefit, pretending to be fighting ISIS.
      1. Uran
        Uran 9 December 2015 15: 42
        +3
        I agree. all right! it will cost them dearly. it’s probably necessary that they would be blown up by the attacks of their city. like in France to understand the horror of this destructive group
        1. attuda
          attuda 9 December 2015 16: 27
          +1
          apparently they need to be blown up by the attacks of their city


          So what are you talking about? Anti-terrorism ...
          Everything is fine with explosions there.
          Some ruins remained.

          "As in Paris" there would not even be noticed.
          There are no televisions, but those who have remained tuned to the wrong waves ...
    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 9 December 2015 15: 37
      +2
      No resistance, no partisans ... They live next to the bandits slowly. The strange mentality of the Syrians. So they will never defeat terrorists by working for them.
      1. 44 World
        44 World 9 December 2015 15: 40
        +7
        At the same time, the interlocutor said that “the bombardment of the positions of jihadists is not very effective, since they manage to escape”. Militants are more "wary of drones, whose performance is higher."

        Interestingly, is this true or was he prompted a little ???
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 9 December 2015 15: 49
          +3
          Quote: 44World
          Interestingly, is this true or was he prompted a little ???

          Rakku is "bombed" by a coalition with the United States and their performance is known, Excavator.
          “I want my children to see a better life, get an education and realize that there is a world in which there is no war,” he said in conclusion.

          Damn (((such a simple desire of millions of people, how much more grief is needed to understand and accept a world without wars ... and taking into account the fact that the "enlightened" Europe has already forgotten the horrors of World War II, although there are still people remembering it, it evokes sad thoughts.
        2. muhomor
          muhomor 9 December 2015 16: 03
          +2
          This guy (if he really exists) sings songs of Western Europe! The whole point of his songs: Nobody will do anything there themselves. Only they can stand behind a free rations. Let American drones come to us and free us!
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        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 9 December 2015 15: 46
          27
          Quote: 44World
          true or he was prompted a little

          On the one hand, everything seems to be smooth in the article. A few points.

          "Militants are more 'afraid of drones, which are more efficient."

          Who uses drone UAVs? what How would a teacher even know why strikes are made and how effective they are? The first bell is like that.

          “The majority of jihadist children trained in special camps arrived with parents from Chechnya”

          Another such fad. smile

          “I want my children to see a better life, get an education and realize that there is a world in which there is no war”

          Europe against refugees? Nothing, get used to it.

          In general, what to expect from CNN . yes
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 9 December 2015 15: 57
            +8
            Oh, I'm not alone, then not paranoia ... laughing
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 9 December 2015 17: 03
            16
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Europe against refugees? Nothing, get used to it.

            laughing
            - Lahmaua wahmau shaitan brahma ahmallah!
            - What did he say?
            - He says: Let American drone drone arrive and put things in order in his country, build McDonald's and kill everyone with bigmaks and Coca-Cola, build big shops, and Russian planes keep beating past targets, Chechen Russians mercilessly cut heads with simple poor Syrians with their families , only Europe can bring us peace and peace ...
            “Was he just saying that right now?”
            - Yes exactly.
            “However, what a short and meaningful language!”

            wassat
          3. Homo
            Homo 9 December 2015 19: 53
            +5
            And here it is.
            ... "the bombing of the positions of jihadists is not very effective, since they manage to hide" ...
            But our aerospace forces bomb objects - shelters, factories, workshops, warehouses, bunkers, etc. not "infantry" in the trenches!
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          7. Olfred
            Olfred 9 December 2015 21: 01
            +1
            I agree, the refugee is too "softly laying down" ... the feeling is that here, too, the propaganda of amers has worked, and I am too cynical. what
      3. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 9 December 2015 15: 42
        +3
        There were a lot of partisans in the Donbass ?? Most refugees pretended.
      4. avt
        avt 9 December 2015 15: 45
        +1
        Quote: Decathlon
        Yes you?! It's just "moderate opposition"! Peaceful bearded bakers ...

        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        No resistance, no partisans ... They live next to the bandits slowly

        Are you both talking about the bright future of the Europeans of the Euroopean people of the great Ukrainians ??
      5. Igor39
        Igor39 9 December 2015 15: 49
        0
        In the desert partisan?
  2. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 9 December 2015 15: 33
    0
    that heaven does not work for daish.
    1. Private IITR
      Private IITR 9 December 2015 15: 41
      +5
      and paradise was not planned by the "amateur" puppeteers, they were planning chaos, they got it
  3. DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 9 December 2015 15: 34
    +1
    Particularly effective in drones ?? As far as we know, there are no strike drones ...
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 9 December 2015 15: 50
      0
      Amen! We do not have. Point your finger at the one who has them? bully
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 December 2015 16: 02
      +3
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      Particularly effective in drones ?? As far as we know, there are no strike drones ...

      Reconnaissance UAVs fly as high as possible in order to be unnoticed from the ground and transmit target designations for missile launches and air strikes. Then the Ishilovites have no time to relocate.
      Israel also faced the problem of the ineffectiveness of the bombing, until they began to use UAVs that could fly high for a long time while in the air.
  4. Gandelman
    Gandelman 9 December 2015 15: 35
    0
    250ct bomb will solve the problem of the capital daish
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 December 2015 16: 14
      +2
      Quote: Gandelman
      250ct bomb will solve the problem of the capital daish

      Why is it only 250 ct then? (Sarcasm) Why doesn’t the governor want to sniff that? fool The mattresses with Hiroshima also reasoned. Dumping nuclear weapons of such power around the city and then "laundering" from the stigma of "evil empire" for another 200 years. Hiroshima and Nagasaki still remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 9 December 2015 17: 25
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        Fuck nuclear weapons of such power in the city and then "wash off" the stigma of the "evil empire" for another 200 years. Hiroshima and Nagasaki still remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

        request Winners are not judged - the United States lives by these principles. And I never heard something of an apology from the United States to Japan, only important statements that everything had been done correctly, otherwise there would have been big losses. Well, the Amer bases there apparently are for rebuilding and building destroyed cities (or maybe even new ones!).
        Atsugi (naval aviation base)
        NSF Kamiseya
        Misawa (air base)
        CFA Okinawa
        CFA Sasebo, Sasebo
        CFA Yokosuka, Yokosuka
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 9 December 2015 18: 40
          +3
          Quote: Corsair
          And I never heard something of an apology from the United States to Japan, only important statements that everything was done correctly,

          And you ask the young Japanese-Who dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Very surprised at the answer.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 10 December 2015 10: 06
            0
            Quote: NEXUS
            And you ask the young Japanese-Who dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Very surprised at the answer.

            what Well this is more of a myth, many Japanese people know. that the Americans dropped the bomb - the only thing that the current Japanese are not at all the samurai and kamikaze that lived then. They living in their own rather confined space and not letting almost strangers degrade in human development ... In short, they will become completely hacked hacks. wassat
  5. RPG_
    RPG_ 9 December 2015 15: 37
    0
    The East is a delicate matter and it is unlikely that someone expected to read something else. And for most Muslim fanatics, this is normal.
  6. maxim1987
    maxim1987 9 December 2015 15: 37
    +2
    According to the refugee, the streets of the "capital" "are patrolling a huge number of children with weapons." He noted that “the majority of jihadist children trained in special camps arrived with their parents from Chechnya.”

    only the grave will correct humpbacked
  7. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 9 December 2015 15: 38
    +1
    Suleiman escaped, while his wife and children remained in Raqqa "practically without leaving their home"? Their men are strange.
  8. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 9 December 2015 15: 39
    22
    Somewhere in Europe, year 2018.
  9. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 9 December 2015 15: 39
    0
    “The majority of jihadist children trained in special camps arrived with parents from Chechnya.”
    Once again, I am convinced of the correctness of the beginning of the military operation in Syria by our troops.
    1. muhomor
      muhomor 9 December 2015 16: 09
      0
      Early Vladimir! Early!
  10. Lanista
    Lanista 9 December 2015 15: 41
    +5
    At the same time, the interlocutor said that “the bombardment of the positions of jihadists is not very effective, since they manage to escape”. Militants are more "wary of drones, whose performance is higher."

    Do you know what this is talking about? The fact that someone is leaking information about the upcoming ISIS airstrike.
    1. NDA
      NDA 9 December 2015 15: 49
      +2
      And you won’t guess that this is the same person, I’m talking about the one whom we inform about departures in the framework of data exchange ...
    2. NDA
      NDA 9 December 2015 15: 49
      0
      And you won’t guess that this is the same person, I’m talking about the one whom we inform about departures in the framework of data exchange ...
  11. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 9 December 2015 15: 42
    +1
    One thing is not clear, although I admit that I am wrong. What did he do in the occupied territory? I see two logical options, for the male population at least. Either take off and flee to the rear, or join the army at the nearest recruiting station. This is someone more like it. Here and there people are needed. But certainly not to work for the occupiers.
  12. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 9 December 2015 15: 47
    +7
    “According to him,“ airstrikes on the oil facilities of terrorists led to an increase in the cost of fuel and gas in the territories under their control, and electricity is supplied only 12 hours a day. ”
    At the same time, the interlocutor said that “the bombardment of the positions of jihadists is not very effective, since they manage to escape”. Militants are more "wary of drones, whose performance is higher."

    Mmm ... Well, whatever one may say, civilians suffer ... And what kind of refugee teacher is this one who is able to evaluate the effectiveness of airstrikes and is versed in drones?

    - According to the refugee, the streets of the “capital” “are patrolling a huge number of children with weapons.” At the same time, he noted that "the majority of jihadist children trained in special camps arrived with their parents from Chechnya."

    Chechen children ..? Yeah cool! How many connections are drawn in the inflamed brain of a Western propagandist!
    Oh yes it's CNN yes
    Is it my paranoia that is developing, or are really good such, furry ears sticking out from a CNN article? laughing
  13. kit-kat
    kit-kat 9 December 2015 15: 49
    0
    Someone continues to say that there are no bad people, there are bad people. Despite the "loyal" Kadyrov, his militants continue to gain experience in Syria, and even teach children from an early age.
  14. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 9 December 2015 15: 49
    17
    Qatar World Cup 2022 Opening
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 9 December 2015 17: 54
      +1
      It seems to me that only European teams will want to play with such a "soccer ball"! If, by 2022, such "teams" will still remain ...! crying Forward, enlightened Europe, ale-ale-ale, and, who, is there a champion ?!
    2. Baron Wrangell
      Baron Wrangell 10 December 2015 09: 32
      0
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      Qatar World Cup 2022 Opening

      making an official championship ball
  15. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 9 December 2015 15: 49
    -3
    freemen in Arabic ... Cossacks want to outshine ..
    1. edeligor
      edeligor 9 December 2015 15: 55
      +1
      Quote: Yak-3P
      freemen in Arabic ... Cossacks want to outshine ..

      At least an incorrect comparison! As a maximum, you are a provocateur.
  16. Engineer
    Engineer 9 December 2015 15: 52
    +4
    There are a lot of blunders in the story of this refugee: residents join ISIS because of fear and hunger, and right there - crowds walk, but not everyone is fed, only who supports ISIS. So they joined because they feed. Well, but about the fact that drones are more effective, how is it? A bomber can destroy a bunker, bomb a camp, accumulate equipment, and a drone does not carry such powerful weapons. It works for exact purposes, for cars as an example. Well, the fact that the majority of Chechens there is somehow hard to believe, because the numbers were voiced by how many of our compatriots there are, and if they are the majority there, then somehow the number of ISIS is greatly exaggerated. In general, I doubt that he was there at all. I am not blocking out the atrocities of the ISIS regime in the occupied territories, but the article is clearly custom-made, and here Russia managed to offend.
  17. P. Yaroslav
    P. Yaroslav 9 December 2015 16: 00
    0
    a familiar smuggler brought him to Turkey with his family
    Good acquaintance with the "former teacher". And there is probably a familiar explosives technician and an arms dealer. With such connections, of course, only to Europe. He's a XNUMX% peaceful refugee! Only drones are afraid ... But
    most jihadist children trained in special camps arrived with parents from Chechnya
    not surprised unfortunately. Although it is necessary to check. Maybe stuffing. Puppeteers profitable to transfer arrows to Russia. So soon they will say that Igil Putin created to sow chaos in the world order.
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    1. Saburov
      Saburov 10 December 2015 03: 30
      0
      In fact, now Islam is going through a period of the Middle Ages in comparison with Christianity, and if we turn to history, the same thing happened with Christianity, when after a thousand years the Crusades began (and in fact robberies and robbery), the local population was crushed by the crusaders , just look at the engravings and frescoes of that time, at which neither children nor women were spared, and on the other hand, they stole the desire of the Turkish sultan to expand his influence and constant disputes with Byzantium, with all this, until the Crusades, Muslims in bsche said if you believe in their god, believe, and quite a relaxed attitude towards other faith until the beginning of the Christian expansion in the form of trips to the Holy Land which was organized by Urban II, and after all this started ... so everything is repeated.
  19. chikenous59
    chikenous59 9 December 2015 16: 01
    +4
    “He does not intend to remain“ dangerously close to the Sharia law group, for which the daily norm has become chopping off their heads and exposing them in the central square. ”Suleiman will make his way to Europe with other refugees.

    “I want my children to see a better life, get an education and realize that there is a world in which there is no war,” he said in conclusion.


    And ours, a Russian peasant, would not say that he was going to Europe to show his children a good life (which is not a fact), but that he would fight to the last with the enemy so that his children could see a good life in their MOTHERLAND.
    This is the trouble of the Middle East. Not everyone is ready to fight for their homeland, they run away from bandits, abandon their home, and join terrorists so that they are not executed - this is why IS grows.
    You will not teach to love the Motherland and fight for it, it is in the genes. That is why we have the largest country in the world.
    The IG will never feel comfortable in Russia; it will simply be bitten by the people at the development stage.
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      1. Weyland
        Weyland 10 December 2015 00: 53
        0
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        This is probably why so many Russian men, along with their families, migrated to the United States and Israel immediately after the collapse of the USSR.


        They migrated because the Motherland-Peremata made it clear to them that she didn’t need them! am
        And to defend the homeland from rebels - this is a completely different matter!
        Of course, EBN worse than all ISIS combined am - but the trouble is that he did not come to power as a result of rebellion, and the Russians had his own stupidity to elect fool fool fool !
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  20. chikenous59
    chikenous59 9 December 2015 16: 05
    +1
    Quote: Haettenschweiler
    Quote: chikenous59
    And ours, a Russian peasant, would not say that he was going to Europe to show his children a good life (which is not a fact), but that he would fight to the last with the enemy so that his children could see a good life in their MOTHERLAND.


    - This is probably why so many Russian men, along with their families, migrated to the United States and Israel immediately after the collapse of the USSR. And not just some bummers, but quite respectable scientists, engineers, etc.

    Well, not a large part of the country. There were people who could lift the country from their knees. And most of the Syrians either left their country or joined the IS.
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  21. Seva
    Seva 9 December 2015 16: 23
    +1
    At the same time, the interlocutor stated that "the bombing of the positions of jihadists is not very effective, since they manage to hide." The militants are more "afraid of drones, the effectiveness of which is higher"


    Well, yes of course)) of the warned type is armed ... (they have all the info about our sorties) And the flights of drones are out of competence. This is an American interlocutor spy definitely =
  22. chikenous59
    chikenous59 9 December 2015 16: 25
    0
    Quote: Haettenschweiler
    Quote: chikenous59
    Well, not a large part of the country. There were people who could lift the country from their knees. And most of the Syrians either left their country or joined the IS.


    - To be honest, this expression - "to raise from my knees" - is truly disgusting to me. Firstly, no one put her on her knees. We did not have any foreign intervention or occupation, but there was sheer betrayal and meanness. Ours, internal, "made in the USSR / Russia". Secondly, "raising" is also a very controversial thing. Somewhere we fell even more than in the 90s. For example, in terms of the level of child crime, alcoholism, prostitution or drug addiction. Well, you are, of course, right, not the largest part of the population left. Unfortunately, however, we have lost truly talented people.

    Well, yes, there are a lot of stocks, I agree. But to rise from my knees in my understanding is to become a sovereign state. In the 90s, the same thing happened with us, what is happening in Ukraine now, only the Nazis didn’t walk the streets in such crowds.
    The state rose from its knees, because became independent and enabled everyone to earn money. Do you want to earn and live well? Please choose what you want. The main thing .op tear and work hard.
    Of course, there are sad moments as a consequence of development. Drug addiction, prostitution, etc. it's all sad .. society is degrading. I believe that all this happens due to the excessive awareness of the population. the networks can no longer be counted. Information flows like a river, the Internet is everywhere) This "discovery" very relaxed the good people and provided too many opportunities for the villains)
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  23. chikenous59
    chikenous59 9 December 2015 16: 41
    0
    Homeland needs to be loved and protected.
  24. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 9 December 2015 16: 43
    0
    So the land operation should be carried out only when? Nobody wants to lose their soldiers in the slums! And so you can bomb spending expensive bombs for all eternity! It is better, of course, that the mopping-up is carried out by the soldiers of Syria and their local allies.
  25. chikenous59
    chikenous59 9 December 2015 16: 58
    0
    Quote: Haettenschweiler
    Quote: chikenous59
    Well, yes, there are a lot of stocks, I agree. But to rise from my knees in my understanding is to become a sovereign state. In the 90s, the same thing happened with us, what is happening in Ukraine now, only the Nazis didn’t walk the streets in such crowds.
    The state rose from its knees, because became independent and enabled everyone to earn money. Do you want to earn and live well? Please choose what you want. The main thing .op tear and work hard.
    Of course, there are sad moments as a consequence of development. Drug addiction, prostitution, etc. it's all sad .. society is degrading. I believe that all this happens due to the excessive awareness of the population. the networks can no longer be counted. Information flows like a river, the Internet is everywhere) This "discovery" very relaxed the good people and provided too many opportunities for the villains)


    - Not really, in the 90s, most of the population still had a fair amount of skepticism and even hostility towards the pro-American course. It's hard to say what played a big role here, decades of anti-American propaganda or general mistrust of the government. But the fact remains. Whereas in modern Ukraine, the majority are sincerely "for" the pro-American course.
    An independent state is, unfortunately, unfortunately, also not about us. The ruling circles of the West hold tight to the genitals with the help of their incredibly swollen foreign accounts. Money abroad, real estate (elite) - abroad, children - abroad ... from here - the WTO, all sorts of good contracts, the Americans pump oil in Siberia, the Chinese raise grain, the Germans export metals, and the like.
    About working and making money ... perhaps it is. But let's face it: social parasites like bankers, insurance agents and other ... advertisers have the most material wealth. But people employed in the "real economy" sector - factory workers, engineers, scientists - receive very little. Well, most of all get uber-parasites like MPs.

    In all states so. The top is eating, the rest get what they can get. For this, people are striving for power.
    Moscow was not built immediately, I’m sure that another 10-15 years should pass and the economy will reach a different level. The principle of the economy itself will change. The world will get tired of living inside the financial pyramids.
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 9 December 2015 17: 07
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      Quote: chikenous59
      In all states so.


      “Then I don’t agree with you at all, comrade.” In Russia, kraduns are not punished at all (Vasiliev, for example), but in China they are shot at the back of their head ... the second option is prettier to me.
  26. individual
    individual 9 December 2015 17: 00
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    I read and think:
    And how far have these metastases of infection got into our society?
    Have I personally done everything to protect my relatives, neighbors and relatives?
  27. Zomanus
    Zomanus 10 December 2015 05: 16
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    Well, I think that we should not be distracted by infantry.
    Our business is to systematically work out on large,
    preferably not very moving targets.
    To make the work of an oil tanker driver equate to a suicide bomber,
    with each flight as the last one.
    And the local ... yes they are rats.
    Today they bow to you, and tomorrow they plant a knife in the back.