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Project "ZZ". Against capitalism, against democracy and for compromise with Putin

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American analysts are confident that tensions between the US and the Russian Federation will continue to grow. The reason will be both the situation in Syria and the lack of regulation in Ukraine. The United States and Russia are embarking on an “insecure path,” some observers say. Lech Walesa, the former leader of the Polish Solidarity, offered his recipes for reaching a compromise with the Russians. Condemning both capitalism and Western-style democracy, Walesa said that the time had come to "help Russia take the path of change."


American analysts believe that for Russia the question of the suppression of the "IG" in Syria is much more acute than for Washington.

As the journalist notes "The Daily Beast" Kate Brennen, the number of foreign fighters who went to Syria and Iraq, is growing around the world. However, this question concerns primarily Russia, as well as the countries of Central Asia - from there, in 2015, especially many of those who are ready to fight on the side of IG travel. At least, the rate increased by 300%, the journalist reports.

According to expert estimates, thousands of militants from 2,4 came from Russia to the Middle East. The data is based on the research of Soufan Group, a New York security consulting company. Russia ranks third in anti-rating. The first place is reserved for Tunisia (about 6 of thousands of Allah's warriors arrived from there), the second place is for Saudi Arabia (2,5 of thousands of bearded men).

Keith Brennen clarifies that most of the Russian militants come from the North Caucasus (Chechnya and Dagestan are named).

Analysts of the Soufan Group believe that the motives of those Caucasians who stood under the banner of extremists in Syria and Iraq are personal rather than political. Experts are convinced that the Caucasian insurgents who joined the ranks of the “IG” are concerned ... with the search for the meaning and cause of their life, as well as friendship and adventure.


In search of adventures


Walter Pincus at «The Washington Post» makes the following thought: Washington and Moscow are embarking on an “unsafe path”, increasing the participation of their military in the Syrian civil war in Syria.

What happens next? Pincus admits that it is much more likely for Moscow to go deep into the war in Syria than for the US. And this war will not be air, but land.

At the same time, the author believes that, for V. V. Putin, the stakes in Syria are “much higher” than for the American President Obama, despite the bloody terrorist attack in San Bernandino. No wonder Vladimir Putin in a message to the Federal Assembly said that the special danger for Russia "comes from the militants who have concentrated in Syria": after all, "among them there are many immigrants from Russia."

America and Russia have a single goal in the Middle East: to destroy the leadership of "IG" and resist the militants ’calls for radical Islamists in different countries who are ready to make attacks against citizens of the Russian Federation or the United States anywhere in the world.

The journalist reminds that both Washington and Moscow sent groups of special forces to the region. Groups, of course, small. However, any build-up of forces and an increase in the intensity of the air strikes cannot solve the fundamental problems of Syria and Iraq, because of which people find the ideology of the IG attractive.

The main question for Russia, and for the USA too, is the same: can both states not be drawn into the exhausting long war in the Middle East?

The tension between the US and the Russian Federation, about which they have been writing a lot in the US and Europe in recent days, we will add, will grow not only because of the Syrian conflict, where the anti-Assad interests of the American coalition, including Turkey, collided, but also because of Of Ukraine.

According to "The American Interest", the tension between Russia and Ukraine, and at the same time between Moscow and Brussels, will only increase.

Now Russia claims that it is preparing to sue Ukraine over a debt of three billion dollars (Moscow issued a loan for this amount to the government of President V. Yanukovych several weeks before street protests at the beginning of 2014).

Russia has offered to restructure the debt in equal shares over the next 3 years, but under one condition: the West must provide guarantees. And the other day the Kremlin received a refusal from the West. The official document came from the US government: Russia was refused to provide guarantees for the obligations of Ukraine. Therefore, the Kremlin will apparently file a lawsuit against Ukraine after December 20, unless Kiev suddenly fulfills its obligations.

According to “The American Interest”, Putin’s lawsuit will create a “real headache” for Ukraine, and maybe Kiev will lead to great financial losses. The agency "Bloomberg" indicates that the possible restructuring of the loan includes "some rather unusual and rigid provisions."

Some Western leaders, the magazine reports further, would like to get rid of Ukrainian problems and focus on cooperation with Moscow in the Middle East. Many now believe that Putin himself would prefer to do without noise around Ukraine. In addition, he wants to enlist the support of his operation in Syria, as well as to convince the EU to lift sanctions.

Nevertheless, the publication believes, given the "ongoing provocations" and the fact that the sanctions regime will remain in force for at least six months, tensions will only grow.

A curious statement was made by the former leader of the Polish Solidarity Lech Walesa. Criticizing both capitalism and Western-style democracy, he said that the time had come to "help Russia take the path of change."

Lech Walesa gave a long interview to a Swiss newspaper "The weather" (original in French; source of translation - "InoSMI").

The ex-leader of Solidarity believes that it is possible to reach an agreement with Moscow and come to a compromise. Today, the former politician dislikes neither capitalism nor democracy.

According to Lech Walesa, democracy is “in crisis everywhere”. The Pole called himself a revolutionary and declared that he supports "the most diverse movements throughout the world." Then he said bluntly: "I am against capitalism and the current democracy." If the current unfit democracy cannot be repaired, limiting the number of mandates to just one, sending small parties to parliaments and making party funding absolutely transparent, then, as Valens predicts, “unrest will begin on the streets.”

“Is it possible today to find a suitable compromise with Vladimir Putin?” Asked the interviewer.

"Personally, I see two Putin," answered Walesa. “Putin alone knows how the world works.” Firmly holding the reins of the country. Just because the 80 peoples of Russia could demand independence. He holds Russia, but at the same time he is reforming it. Putin should be trusted. But there is a second Putin, a former KGB agent who says: "Let me get stronger, and I will restore order in my backyard." Putin is better not to believe. Of course, Poland and the whole world need Russia. In some ways, we need to help Russia go through the transition that we ourselves have done. If we maintain unity and solidarity, then we will push Russia on the right path. Not using force, but retaining rigidity. "

True, the current Europe does not have enough strength. And Putin "skillfully uses it."

As for the Ukrainian crisis, the former politician said the following: “We should not forget that the West is based on compromises, treaties and agreements, and Putin has violated them. He questioned the very essence of our existence. When we took out the nuclear weapon from Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR, Russia pledged to respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine. International treaties must be respected. We must not allow the strong to attack the weak. Russia has somehow lagged behind in its mental development from the West by at least 30 years. There is no real faith in democracy. ”

* * *


If analysts of the United States, predicting the growth of "tension" in relations between Russia on the one hand, and Ukraine and the West, on the other, are cautious in their judgments about the source of this tension, the former politician Lech Walesa is categorical: "You cannot allow the strong to attack the weak." At the same time, he reproaches the Russians for their strong backwardness from the advanced West and denies the Kremlin democracy (“There is no real faith in democracy”). However, the same Walesa condemns modern Western democracy and unflatteringly speaks about capitalism. Unlike many other experts, he is inclined to believe Putin in some way and look for compromises with him.

The growth of tensions between Russia and Ukraine, Western observers predict also because of the large Kiev debts. Russia says it is preparing to sue Ukraine for a debt of three billion dollars, issued in 2014 in the form of a loan to Viktor Yanukovych’s government. This question will clear up after December 20. However, the main thing is clear for a long time: there is nothing to pay Ukraine, and it will not pay. Even the Ukrainian curator Joe Biden, who works at the White House, has no doubt about that.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 10 December 2015 06: 03 New
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    Lech Walesa, the former leader of the Polish Solidarity, proposed his recipes for compromising with the Russians. Condemning both capitalism and Western-style democracy, Walesa said the time had come to "help Russia embark on a path of change."
    How to send it to hell! Culturally?
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 10 December 2015 06: 51 New
      +6
      Quote: Observer2014
      How to send it to hell! Culturally?


      -And this is our friend Mu..lo Terrible.
      -I Scared the Wise. I would have brains instead of straw ...
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 10 December 2015 09: 02 New
        +4
        Russia in some way lagged behind in the mental development of the West by at least 30 years. There is no real faith in democracy. ”

        "Нам такой хоккей не нужен!"
        1. bannik
          bannik 12 December 2015 01: 09 New
          +1
          Конечно отстала. У нас, в отличие от "продвинутого Запада", мужики до сих пор с бабами спят.(с)
    2. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 10 December 2015 09: 40 New
      +4
      In some way, we need to help Russia go through the transition path that we ourselves have done.


      Are not you afraid, psekoelectric? If we go along your path, then Europe will not stand such a number of Russian plumbers! Yours somehow digested, though ..... fool
    3. Maj.
      Maj. 10 December 2015 10: 35 New
      +2
      only in pure Russian, in this language, even the Americans are grasping is an international language.
    4. antoXa
      antoXa 10 December 2015 12: 13 New
      +5
      Observer2014
      But why send him something?))) He himself had already sent his brain a long time ago!
      Elementary 2 phrases in one interview:
      - "По словам Леха Валенсы, демократия «повсюду переживает кризис». Себя поляк назвал революционером и заявил, что он поддерживает «самые разные движения по всему миру». Далее он сказал прямо: «Я против капитализма и нынешней демократии»"
      and second
      - "Заодно он упрекает русских в сильной отсталости от передового Запада и отказывает Кремлю в демократичности («Там нет настоящей веры в демократию»)"
      That is, he himself does not believe in Democracy anymore, but the Russians are 30 years behind, because we do not have a real faith in democracy ...
      So I want to ask STAAA?)))
    5. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 11 December 2015 00: 08 New
      +1
      Walesa is still the type, and now with logic he does not have everything at home. Alzheimer's disease crept unnoticed.
    6. Victor-M
      Victor-M 11 December 2015 03: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      How to send it to hell! Culturally?

      Give him a free plane to Smolensk, to associates.
  2. ImPerts
    ImPerts 10 December 2015 06: 12 New
    +7
    The revolutionary Walesa offers evolutionary methods of overcoming the crisis. Just bees against honey. Or the wolf is a vegetarian.
    L. Walesa does not like capitalism and Western democracy. ISIS do not like it either, but they also do not like evolution. Can this revolutionary be sent as special envoy to Iraq?
  3. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 10 December 2015 06: 20 New
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    Quote: Author Oleg Chuvakin
    When we removed nuclear weapons from Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR, Russia pledged to respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine. International treaties must be respected. The strong cannot be allowed to attack the weak. Russia in some way lagged behind in the mental development of the West by at least 30 years. There is no real faith in democracy. ”

    When we withdrew troops from Europe and from Germany, what did NATO promise us ?! And where is the fulfillment of these obligations? Mr. Walesa can’t not know about it, but keeps silent.
    Quote: Lech Walesa
    The strong cannot be allowed to attack the weak.

    Who are you talking about? We are strong, that's right. But we do not attack anyone, unlike the West, attacked, you see, like a pack of wolves, on weak Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, they torn to pieces these countries causing enormous suffering to the peoples of these countries. They created Al Qaeda, Daesh, pounced all over Syria ... Who are you, Mr. Walesa ???
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 10 December 2015 08: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: Tatar 174
      When we withdrew troops from Europe and from Germany, what did NATO promise us ?! And where is the fulfillment of these obligations? Mr. Walesa can’t not know about it, but keeps silent.
      Quote: Lech Walesa
      The strong cannot be allowed to attack the weak.

      In Walesa, the causal relationship in the brain is broken (as, however, among Bandera and the Turks) - it confuses, and intentionally, the order of the cart and the horse. And with his memory, for some reason, it’s bad when the question is about the agreement between the USSR and NATO on the non-proliferation of the North Atlantic bloc to the East.
      "...— Один польский министр недавно заявил, что основополагающий акт об отношениях Росси и НАТО не имеет смысла, потому что времена изменились. Что вы об этом думаете?

      — В некотором роде, я говорил о том же: нужно менять старые концепции. Быть может, это относится и к данному соглашению. Детали мне неизвестны. Но для перемен нужен консенсус обеих сторон..."

      http://politobzor.net/show-73772-leh-valensa-my-dolzhny-pomoch-rossii.html
  4. sa-ag
    sa-ag 10 December 2015 06: 24 New
    +3
    "...Против капитализма, против демократии"

    Then socialist liberalism, as in Uruguay :-)
  5. bad
    bad 10 December 2015 06: 31 New
    +8
    But there is a second Putin, a former KGB agent
    ..агенты-это у вас в матрасии..и в "матрице"..а наш ВВП-кадровый офицер обученный специальным навыкам и умениям...чуствуете разницу?..боитесь,значит уважаете.. laughing
    1. Sorokin
      Sorokin 10 December 2015 10: 12 New
      0
      The former are not operas or you yourself know who. Psheka away.
  6. Wolka
    Wolka 10 December 2015 06: 32 New
    +4
    one demagogy and only, you never need to accustom yourself and others to pity, pity generates lack of will, dullness and laziness, and there are no hopeless situations, there is only human dullness and laziness again, but if you brought the situation to failure, please be kind to strain you’ll be poor and look for a way out, it is always there, for those who go uphill will overpower it, trampling and whining at the foot of the mountain never ...
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 10 December 2015 06: 32 New
    +3
    cannot fix the root problems of Syria and Iraq... And who created these problems? Intourist..healthily writes about them ... only, the author of US problems, does not call on the stage ..
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 December 2015 06: 44 New
    +6
    Russia was refused guarantees on Ukraine’s obligations.

    Which, however, was expected by Russia, and therefore very good conditions were proposed for repaying a loan under guarantees of the West. Another question is interesting. Today there was a running line that ordered the shipment of coal for Ukraine. While Ukraine is blocking the Crimea, it’s not going to give a loan, showing a fig over the IMF’s shoulder, shelling the Donbass, we are again giving them a coal. It is very interesting to find out what kind of agreements there are, about which and most importantly with whom? Soon, from our actions in Ukraine, it will begin to demolish the head. Neither logic, nor sense, nor anything but losses, both financial and moral.
    1. Funnels
      Funnels 10 December 2015 08: 53 New
      +3
      As VVp said at a meeting of the Security Council, they launched electricity in the Crimea. While we are consuming, the terms of contracts and contracts must be observed. Coal in exchange for electricity. And at the same time he said to look through all the agreements, so that after the launch of the energy bridge to completely abandon this bogey.
  9. Aleksander
    Aleksander 10 December 2015 06: 47 New
    +9
    Russia in some way lagged behind in the mental development of the West by at least 30 years


    All fools are always confident in their mental superiority over normal people.
  10. press officer
    press officer 10 December 2015 07: 15 New
    +3
    In some way, we need to help Russia go through the transition path that we ourselves have done. If we maintain unity and solidarity, we will push Russia on the right path. Not using force, but retaining rigidity. ”L. Walesa.

    Those. they are already super \ duper live ?! belay In Poland? belay Where are 95% of the unemployed, and the rest, if you don’t forgive me, Lord, have you already left the country? request They have come a long way from communism to deRmocartia and they want us (what to do ???? belay ) "подтолкнуть"?????????????? No. fool What? what Where and when did I miss flowering Poland with an income of at least Switzerland? what
    Not using force ... (these are the ones that walked in the parade in skirts, laughing having come to speak at the parade? or those fascists am what do they have in high esteem?) but retaining rigidity ... lol What? what belay lol hardness? what Poland? lol in relation to Russia? belay lol Kapets ... a madhouse on a walk ...
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 10 December 2015 08: 01 New
      0
      Quote: press attache
      If we maintain unity and solidarity, we will push Russia on the right path.

      The unity in what and what is this correct bullet, for whom is it correct, where does it lead, to what purpose for society?
  11. KOH
    KOH 10 December 2015 07: 32 New
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    Russia in some way lagged behind in the mental development of the West by at least 30 years. There is no real faith in democracy. ”

    Smart Europe, which in mental development has gone before for 30 years ...)))))))
    1. Lee_Mubai
      Lee_Mubai 10 December 2015 10: 28 New
      +5
      Надеюсь мы никогда в этом "умственном развитии" не догоним тухлый, гниющий запад!)
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 10 December 2015 12: 01 New
      +1
      Скоро арабы и турки будут своих детей водить в зоопарки, - на таких вот "передовых" европейцев посмотреть. На последние особи.
  12. Riv
    Riv 10 December 2015 07: 34 New
    +2
    "Дружбы и приключений" - говорите? Суровая мужская дружба и приключения на известное место.
  13. Alex_59
    Alex_59 10 December 2015 07: 41 New
    +6
    Lech Walesa is categorical: “You can’t let the strong attack the weak”
    Where were you when some strong were bombing weak Yugoslavia?
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 12 December 2015 00: 55 New
      0
      Supported not weak!
  14. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 10 December 2015 08: 21 New
    +2
    L.Valensa’s head contains mashed potatoes from various vegetables.
    Very symbolic from his lips is a disappointment in democracy and capitalism. He was disappointed in what he had contributed to at the time, his contribution to the collapse of the social block should not be underestimated, and now he was disappointed. And to admit that he was wrong, weak?
    His further reasoning is devoid of logic, especially about Ukraine.
    Before considering Ukraine offended, three things must be recognized:
    1) fascist radicals came to Ukraine in a coup
    2) the fascist-Bandera regime is the basis of state terrorism (and how else is it called the destruction of the population and infrastructure of the whole region with the help of gangs of radicals and the army)
    3) Ukraine’s loss of state sovereignty is a state-controlled colony.
    And does Russia have any relation to these three pillars of today's Ukraine?
    If it does, then only one Russia is next in the line of countries, doomed by the West to chaos and loss of sovereignty, it will be destined for the fate of a gas station in the West.
    And the West, like a woman-yaga from a fairy tale, is outraged by the behavior of Ivanushka, whom she sends to the furnace, and he lies across the spade and cannot be pushed there. I would like Russia to act, as Ivanushka is supposed to from a fairy tale, give way to a shovel to the west, there is no other way.
    1. Azitral
      Azitral 10 December 2015 12: 11 New
      0
      Grandfather is old. Soon it will be. Download the video from the funeral. But no longer than a minute.
  15. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 10 December 2015 08: 35 New
    +2
    "Не стоит забывать, что Запад основывается на компромиссах, договорах и соглашениях, а Путин нарушил их. Он поставил под вопрос саму суть нашего существования."..
    As always, snobs have a short and advantageous memory ... generally Polish ... or vile. The worst thing is that they THIS (tricky .. twisted) recognize normal .. they say with a smart and serious look .. but in fact they lie and do not hide their eyes ... one word: pi pi pi pi
  16. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 10 December 2015 08: 36 New
    +2
    Poor, wild, barbaric Russia! Well, everyone around her knows what to do, how to do, where to go. Oh, how she is persuaded, instructed and taught, but she is in no way! She’s stubborn, goes her own way, does not want, like everyone else, overseas wise men to make mines ... (sorry) in general it’s nice. Lord! No need to tell us what to do and we won’t tell you where to go.
  17. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 10 December 2015 08: 36 New
    +3
    Poor, wild, barbaric Russia! Well, everyone around her knows what to do, how to do, where to go. Oh, how she is persuaded, instructed and taught, but she is in no way! She’s stubborn, goes her own way, does not want, like everyone else, overseas wise men to make mines ... (sorry) in general it’s nice. Lord! No need to tell us what to do and we won’t tell you where to go.
  18. cap
    cap 10 December 2015 09: 02 New
    0
    To the author +, + a little discussion about the words of Valencia regarding the support of "a wide variety of movements around the world"
    The ex-leader of Solidarity believes that it is possible to reach an agreement with Moscow and come to a compromise. Today, the former politician dislikes neither capitalism nor democracy.

    "По словам Леха Валенсы,демократия «повсюду переживает кризис». Себя поляк назвал революционером и заявил, что он поддерживает «самые разные движения по всему миру».
    Далее он сказал прямо: «Я против капитализма и нынешней демократии» Если нынешнюю никуда не годную демократию не починить,ограничив количество мандатов до одного-единственного, пустив в парламенты маленькие партии и сделав абсолютно прозрачным партийное финансирование, то, как предсказывает Валенса, «на улицах начнутся беспорядки»."
    Все как в анекдоте "ей нравится, тебе не нравится....",дальше все помнят чем заканчивается. Правильно.Пока западные демократы и либералы определяются, кто и кому, с какой стороны больше нравится,главный идеолог всего прогрессивного, в лице президента США, и отнюдь не католика выдал как раз тот самый единственный мандат единоверцам, благословив "братьев" на банальный грабеж.
    Counting just at the beginning of the very riots about which the discerning ex-president warns.

    Поскольку наш Президент давно определился,со своим народом в какой стране жить, а "Россия некоторым образом отставшая в умственном развитии от Запада по меньшей мере на 30 лет. Там нет настоящей веры в демократию»,договороспособность России будет строится исключительно от той "позиции", которую будет занимать весь "просвещенный" Запад.

    "Правда, у нынешней Европы не хватает сил. И Путин «умело этим пользуется». И совершенно правильно поступает.

    That's like that hi .
  19. Kolka82
    Kolka82 10 December 2015 09: 06 New
    +1
    Спасибо за статью, очень содержательная и нужная в свете того, что гейропа уже вся изъёрзалась по поводу отмены санкций и напоминает дергающегося Вицина между Никулиным и Моргуновым из сценки "Кавказской пленницы". И хочется, и колется (хозяин не велит). А по поводу 30-летней умственной отсталости этот Валенок пусть нашим "Калибрам" и, вообще, всему ВПК России расскажет.
  20. Stoler
    Stoler 10 December 2015 09: 22 New
    0
    Reflections of the addict any. fool
  21. afrikanez
    afrikanez 10 December 2015 09: 22 New
    0
    We are constantly informed that we have a common goal with the states in the Middle East. Yes, we do not have a common goal with the states and there was neither when, and probably never will.
    Walesa said the time had come to “help Russia embark on a path of change.”
    О каких вечно переменах нам тут "толдычат"и самое главное кто? Западные державы всё пытаются нас научить жить по новому. Вы бы для начала у себе разобрались, ! С беженцами разобраться не могут а советы раздавать горазды am
    1. Lee_Mubai
      Lee_Mubai 10 December 2015 10: 35 New
      +1
      But where are they going to sort it out, and who are they going to teach !? they only wash 150 years ago when they learned, moreover, from the Russians! and now they want to teach us something, help, direct us in the right direction!) he said the right way, as the GDP said (the West likes Russia only when we are weak, fragmented, and humanitarian aid is sent to us, then Russia is good !!! )
  22. Snail N9
    Snail N9 10 December 2015 10: 40 New
    +4
    В "советское" время господин Валенса не "вылезал" из США и капиталистических стран Европы- мотался туда каждый месяц на всяческие "конференции", "заседания" где его "обласкивали" и "подкармливали". Постоянные вливания из ЦРУ и из "госдепа" США, а также от "неформальных" "общественных" организаций США и Европы позволили его "профсоюзному движению" "Солидарность" иметь на счетах более миллиарда! долларов. Наличие такого количества денег позволяло руководству "Солидарности" жить "при коммунизме" и подкармливать "бастующих" работников Гданьских верфей и прочих "недовольных", для которых "бастование" стало самоцелью, так как за время "забастовок" они получали в 3-4 раза больше денег, чем за время работы. Вторым шагом расшатывания политических устоев государства и "выбивание" Польши из соц-лагеря, было "обнуление" польских долгов, что должно было показать руководству тогдашней Польши-"благие" намерения и "доброту" США и стран капиталистического лагеря, а также, на примере Польши, показать другим европейским странам варшавского договора, что им всегда "поможет" запад если они распрощаются с "коммунистической идеологией". Польша, офигев от такой "халявы" запросилась выхода из СЭВ и Варшавского Договора. Однако тут, неожиданно, "стеной" преткновения против этих планов встала...ГДР-страна, где был достигнут очень высокий уровень жизни и которая не хотела развала соц-лагеря и того, что за этим могло последовать. И вот тогда был приведен план "Б", через иуду Горбачева "объединить" две Германии и разрушить весь фундамент социалистической системы. Что и было успешно проведено-в результате мы сейчас имеем то, что имеем.... Увы. А, что до Валенсы...Валенсу ждала участь всех коллаборационистов, которых запад использовал для своих целей, а потом выкидывал на помойку "истории", как использованный материл. После развала соц-лагеря, на западе сразу же прекратили "кормежку" как Валенсы ,так и его движений "Солидарность" и "Народный Фронт" и теперь его "штаб-квартира" - Гданьские верфи, где работали десятки тысяч рабочих и инженеров, стоят пустыми, практически закрытыми, постепенно разрушающимися громадинами, как памятник человеческой жадности и глупости.. Сейчас, это -Валенса, пытается выкарабкаться хоть куда0то поближе к "финансированию" и делает все, чтобы его заметили-как престарелая "примадонна" на гнушается даже "скандальными" речами, однако, увы...ему ничего уже не "светит", его время прошло: "мавр сделал свое дело...", так, что его "высказывания" уже ничего не стоят, так как за ним никто уже "не стоит". А то, что он типа-"прозрел", так увы-уже поздно.
  23. Wolosan
    Wolosan 10 December 2015 11: 03 New
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    Что там у нас согласно скрижалей?.... Ах да, захват Константинополя в результате последней войны с Турцией, при чем брать будут...греки. Бо у нас сил на "парад победы" даже не останется. А начало полномасштебной войны с Турцией запланировано аккурат сразу после Рождества. Православного разумеется. То бишь после 6-го января 2016 года. Ну плюс неделька я думаю будет корректно для проверки Скрижалей. Поглядим. Да и ждать то уже не так долго. По крайней мере все предшествующие события увы, в дальнейшем предполагают именно военный сценарий... Как грится Чем дальше в лес - тем толще партизаны!
  24. Stanislas
    Stanislas 10 December 2015 11: 05 New
    +1
    cannot solve the fundamental problems of Syria and Iraq, because of which people find the ideology of “IG” attractive
    Отдельные люди из России, Европы, США и других стран находят идеологию "ИГ" притягательной из-за "коренных проблем Сирии и Ирака"?! Какая же каша в голове Уолтера Пинкуса и тех, кто его читает!
  25. iouris
    iouris 10 December 2015 11: 07 New
    +1
    Walesa is poorly educated and does not understand big politics. He is interesting only as a charismatic who leads a mass of workers. He will not be able to lead managers, Walesa - disappointed, but everyone is disappointed. So what?
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 10 December 2015 12: 01 New
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      Yes, we have a sea of ​​people with excellent education. Kudrin, Gref, Vedmedev, Chubais, Ksyushad, Timchenko, Serdyukov, Khoroshavin, Roemer, Aliyev, etc. And what? Are they the leaders? Let's not ... in vain !!
  26. Doktor-2
    Doktor-2 10 December 2015 12: 10 New
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    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Russia in some way lagged behind in the mental development of the West by at least 30 years. There is no real faith in democracy. ”

    It was not we who were behind in mental development, but they fell into senility ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 December 2015 15: 51 New
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      In what units is the mental development of the West measured?
      In general, who is this West?
      In the development of capitalism, we are forever behind, because capitalism is a multinational corporation. We have practically no TNCs.
      In the USSR there was a wonderful educated thinking people, because everyone worked in production. For some reason, this did not save him. Now 95% think of nothing at all. It’s dangerous to think. In the West, this happened much earlier. In this sense, we are behind.
      Вместо ума - интернет-доступ к "информации". Съел - и порядок. А что съел уже разбираться поздно. Общество потребления без производства. Производство в Китае.
      In the modern world, TNCs reign supreme.
  27. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 10 December 2015 13: 13 New
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    European development stuck somewhere in the Middle Ages.
    And this is despite the fact that we taught them how to wash not so long ago.
  28. 7 poplar
    7 poplar 10 December 2015 13: 40 New
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    It’s already high time to send the Americans away and do everything as they are in the interests of national security! and sneeze on ALL INTERNATIONAL LAWS!
  29. valokordin
    valokordin 10 December 2015 14: 35 New
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    After analyzing the latest television shows, newspaper articles, I came to the conclusion that the country is in a hostile environment and even without allies. The closest neighbors, including Belarus and Kazakhstan, are secretly shitting as they can. Lukashenko is repairing military equipment for Bandera and cooperating with the military-industrial complex of Bandera. Kazakhstan is looking at Turkey, and Ilham from Baku has long been on the side of Erdogan. The Russian leadership supports the oligarchy in the country and the gigantic property stratification. So far, people are rallying out of external danger, but cannot go on like this for a long time. If the country's leadership continues this and does not build its own economy, not at the expense of impoverishing the people, but at the expense of a return to justice, a return to socialism, at least according to the Chinese scenario, there is nothing good to expect. Russia cannot offer either itself or its neighbors any social example that was previously under the USSR. And stop faulting Joseph Vissarionovich, the man at whom the country stood and made a leap forward. The eulogies of the current government can be regarded as a fawning, and this can be seen with the naked eye. If I.V. Stalin. But there were no real communists left in parliament, only social democrats such as Kautsky’s regatta.
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 December 2015 15: 55 New
      +1
      Чтобы иметь союзников надо иметь ясные цели, научно обоснованную программу и действовать согласно программе. Последнюю программу действий у нас приняли в 1961 году, а недавно упразднили Академию наук, потому что "рынок всё отрегулирует". Надо ещё доказать потенциальным союзникам, что мы не "бензоколонка".
  30. Angara
    Angara 10 December 2015 15: 39 New
    +1
    When we took out nuclear weapons from Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR

    Pshek enriched Khokhlyatsky nuclear weapons ?? belay Clinic however wassat
  31. Smailfantom
    Smailfantom 10 December 2015 15: 52 New
    0
    if you don’t give a damn about how he then began to describe us, his position may be beneficial for us, for us and Europe, or rather that part of it where the sanctions will be lifted from us and will allow us to calmly sort out Syria
  32. Naval
    Naval 10 December 2015 17: 35 New
    +1
    It seems that Europe is moving in the Middle Ages, and not 30 years ahead ....
  33. troy
    troy 10 December 2015 18: 28 New
    0
    they began to forget the old durale. again at the expense of Russia he wants to be on horseback. his Judas, like the Gorbachev Poles, will ever be recognized as a traitor for all his merits
  34. Koshak
    Koshak 10 December 2015 19: 07 New
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    “I am against capitalism and current democracy.”
    Anarchy - the mother of order? wassat

    "Некоторым образом, нам нужно помочь России пройти переходным путём, который мы проделали"
    The reincarnation of Susanin? laughing

    "Россия некоторым образом отстала в умственном развитии от Запада по меньшей мере на 30 лет."
    Yes, sometimes old age comes alone fool (without wisdom)

    With such assistants no enemies are needed. He brought his country to the brink of civil war,
    and now he began to teach. stop
  35. potalevl
    potalevl 10 December 2015 22: 55 New
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    The reason for the tensions between Russia and the West, in my opinion, was the split of the Christian church in 1054 from the Nativity of Christ into a Catholic church with a center in Rome and an Orthodox church with a center in Constantinople. And the reason for the tension between Russia and the United States since 1913, since the creation of the Fed.
    I explain my vision about these reasons. In 380 g. From R.Kh. in the Roman Empire, Christianity finally triumphed with the emergence of two church centers. In Rome and Constantinople, in the western and eastern parts of a single empire so far. In 395, the empire disintegrates into Western and Eastern. From this moment, differences begin to arise between the two centers of one church, which lead to a final split in 1054. There are many reasons (attitude to saints, icons, prayers, etc.), but the main, as I think is banal, two high priests could not agree which of them will be the first after God on earth. Prince Vladimir accepted the faith from the Patriarch of Constantinople, who since 1054 became Orthodox in the Byzantine Empire, with a center in Constantinople, and the Catholic established itself in the Holy Roman Empire with a center in Rome. Since then, Catholics began to lure the Slavs into their faith, and where it did not work out, they used force well. Only with Russia they could not do anything either by force or by cunning, and since then they have raged in their anger.
    В 486 г. пала Западная Римская империя, а на ее осколках в 962 г. возникла Священная Римская империя германской нации, просуществовавшая до 1800 г. , а в 1453 г. пала Византийская империя, турки взяли Константинополь, ныне Стамбул. С той поры единственным оплотом православия остается Россия. В 1523-1524 г.г. (точно не установлено) псковский старец Фелофей пишет письмо государю Василию 3-ему Ивановичу, собирателю земель славянских, о том, что единственным хранителем Православия остается Москва предворяя это словами:" два Рима пали, третий - Москва, четвертому Риму не быть". Вначале, как видно из вышеизложенного, теория "Москва - третий Рим" носила чисто религиозный характер и лишь впоследствии политический.
    В 1776 г. 13 штатов САСШ провозгласили независимость от Англии и отцы основатели США поставили цель построить государство по образу Римской республики под девизом "Закон и справедливость". Отсюда и Капитолий на Капитолийском холме и Сенат и пр. римские атрибуты. Вплоть до 1913г. правители новообразованного государства устанавливали "закон и порядок" на своем континенте (истребление аборигенов, захват земель у соседей и пр. радости демократии). И вот декабрь 1913г. - создание ФРС, печатание частных денег под названием доллар, выход на мировую арену. Но тут на пути новоявленных цезарей встает Россия. Что нужно сделать чтобы убрать конкурента - спровоцировать 1-ю мировую войну. Ничего не получается - провоцируем 2-ю мировую. Снова облом. Начинают экономическую войну, тем паче станок свой, к "зелени" мир приручили, заодно покупаем предателей и пестуем новых руководителей для управления покоренного государства. Все вроде бы у них получилось и пошли они разносить свою демократию и свой закон по всему миру, где посулами- печеньками, а где и силою -бомбами и снарядами.
    But Russia rose again from its knees and the newly-minted Caesars cannot create their American-Roman empire. And this confrontation between Russia and the United States will last until they disperse the scammers from the Fed and abandon the idea of ​​fixing to become the fourth Rome, either voluntarily or through complete surrender.
    So that Elder Felofey was right, the third Rome was Moscow and there shouldn’t be a fourth.
    That's something like that, briefly.
  36. Starley from the south
    Starley from the south 11 December 2015 00: 04 New
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    Что-то мне кажется, что за отмену санкций с нашей стороны борются либо либералы-предатели, либо чиновники-коррупционеры, либо олигархи. Санкции - это мерило подлости западного мира. И не так мы страдаем от этих "санкций", как уверяют нас и "наши" и не наши "эксперты". Приведу личный пример. Так, у нас цены на некоторую бытовую технику резко подскочили: холодильники Бош три года назад стоили 40 - 50 тысяч, сейчас стоят более 100 и их никто не берет, телевизоры Филипс и Сони стоили 3 года назад 30 - 40 тысяч, сейчас 60 - 70, их тоже не берут. Потому что есть довольно много самых разных холодильников Индезит из Липецка, у которых цены за три года практически не изменились. И много самых разных телевизоров Самсунг, на которые цены изменились незначительно. Вот такое импортозамещение. А о мебели и говорить нечего, просто в магазинах появилось много нашей очень даже неплохой мебели и по качеству и по дизайну, и довольно дешевой (за 3 года цены на некоторые виды мебели даже снизились при улучшении качества), а импорт куда-то исчез. Так что плевать я хотел и на сами санкции и на тех, кто их вводит и поддерживает! А когда где-то у нас возникают трудности, то это плата за наше собственное мнение, которое в Гейропе и за большой лужей не хотят уважать!
  37. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 11 December 2015 03: 28 New
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    All this verbiage is nothing more than the ravings of a whining whisper.
    In all the actions and statements of Polish figures, which I managed to make out
    and hear for your life, there is an unquenched thirst, if not greatness,
    so at least some significance in the world (well, at least European!) life.
    Being almost in the center of Europe, they always fell under someone strong under their feet:
    the Mongols, the Teutons, the Ottomans, the Russians, and they had them, who wanted to.
    There was a period in the 15-16 century, they got a little stronger, and then in a new way: again everyone fucks them!
    We learned not to fuss under the client, but the complexes remained.
    "Проводники американской политики в Европе!" - ну как же, знаем!. Вот и лезут по примеру
    pimps, bedding Amer, to teach others. Teach yourself first, deprived.
    After all, what idiocy you need to get to, so I wanted to rip off Russia for Katyn, my hands were shaking
    (they already calculated the amount of the claim, they took the Minister of Finance!); crowded the whole crowd in one plane,
    crashed out on their own dope, and are still looking for the guilty!
    Walesa! with a kind of wisdom, teach yours!