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Vladimir Putin proposed not to open a parametric recorder of a downed Su-24М before arrival for the joint work of foreign specialists

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Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu reported to Supreme Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Putin on the progress of the counter-terrorist operation in Syria. The head of the defense department spoke about the progress in using front-line bomber and assault aviation, which strikes at the positions of terrorists under the guise of Su-30 fighters, rising from the Khmeimim airfield. In addition, Sergei Shoigu reported on the use of long-range aircraft in Russia and the first strike with Caliber missiles, launched from the Rostov-on-Don submarine, which was in an underwater position.


Sergey Shoigu (quote is published on the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation):

For the first time they used the Caliber cruise missiles from the submarine Rostov-on-Don from the Mediterranean. Rocket salvo was made from a submerged position. The targets on which the strike was struck are destroyed.


The Minister of Defense presented to Vladimir Putin a parametric flight recorder shot down by Turkish Air Force fighter jets in the skies over Syria of the Russian bomber Su-24M. The “black box” was discovered on the eve of northern Syria. The head of the defense department said that the strikes on the territory over which the Russian plane was shot down continued.

Vladimir Putin proposed not to open a parametric recorder of a downed Su-24М before arrival for the joint work of foreign specialists


Sergey Shoigu:
We actively worked on the territory where militants are based who shot our pilot, I cannot find another word. As a result of this work, these territories were freed by special operations and special forces of the Syrian army to search for the crew, and the Syrian military, surveying the territory, discovered the place where our plane had crashed. The bandits energetically left this territory and did not manage to take anything off the downed aircraft.

The President proposed not to open the parametric recorder Su-24М before the arrival of foreign specialists for the joint work.

Vladimir Putin:
I ask you not to open it yet, and only open it together with foreign experts, fix everything thoroughly. That is, we will be able to understand where he was and where this treacherous blow was inflicted on him by the Turkish Air Force.


I would like to hope that these specialists will not be representatives of the Dutch "special investigative team", who even a year and a half was not enough to determine the real causes of the collapse of the MH-17 ...

The Supreme Commander thanked the servicemen for rescuing one of the crewmen of the downed Su-24М (navigator Su-24 captain Konstantin Murakhtin) and for finding the onboard parametric recorder:
Of course, we must thank our military from the special forces, from the crew’s search and rescue team, and the Syrian military for getting this recorder, which will certainly help to figure out what happened.
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http://syria.mil.ru
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  1. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 9 December 2015 06: 59 New
    55
    The more often we turn to international law, the more we get the feeling that besides us - this is international law, nobody else cares!
    - "Abid, listen, huh?")))
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 9 December 2015 07: 15 New
      +2
      And that’s it! The Turk goes to the wall, when the recorders publish everything, it will fall into place.
      1. hedgehog in the fog
        hedgehog in the fog 9 December 2015 07: 22 New
        16
        a literate move, falsifications and fakes are impossible, they will wipe the Yankees nose and untie the hands of the GDP to influence Turkey, but they will still find a fucker kakuyu something for fun
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 9 December 2015 09: 19 New
          +5
          Quote: hedgehog in the fog
          literate move, falsifications and fakes are impossible

          Do not hurry! Foreign experts will say that the box was opened, and then again sealed. With them it will become.
      2. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist 9 December 2015 07: 23 New
        +7
        Yes, foreigners will simply ignore the offer so as not to acknowledge anything. And then they will stink that they wanted to present fake data.
        1. cniza
          cniza 9 December 2015 07: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: armored optimist
          Yes, foreigners will simply ignore the offer so as not to acknowledge anything. And then they will stink that they wanted to present fake data.


          They will try to do this, they are trying to press Russia in all directions, I think we will be able to propose that they will not refuse, they haven’t got the trump cards yet.
          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 9 December 2015 08: 04 New
            0
            Why is this? If only then it’s not with the registrar of the same downed F-16 (maybe another, maybe two or three). winked
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        3. Aleksander
          Aleksander 9 December 2015 07: 35 New
          +4
          An unnecessary offer from Putin. Would the US or NATO have said so in a similar situation, would they have called Russian experts? Never! It is necessary to declare, "Checked, did not cross!" Basta! Otherwise it looks like an excuse, Before whom? For what?
        4. dsi
          dsi 9 December 2015 07: 56 New
          +1
          No, because if you value your turnip (reputation) you will not explode into a vinaigrette. Another case if you are kicked up to the heap. It will be so. This seems to be happening, correct me ..
        5. veksha50
          veksha50 9 December 2015 09: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: armored optimist
          Yes, foreigners will simply ignore the offer so as not to acknowledge anything. And then they will stink that they wanted to present fake data.



          Hmm ... The armor-optimism of you is both rushing and rushing ...

          No offense, I just joked ... I completely agree with you 6 they will try to turn everything inside out, for the benefit of themselves ... And their benefit is once again to ruin Russia ...
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 December 2015 07: 32 New
        18
        Quote: kod3001
        Turk pre rod to the wall

        Even if you show the State Department a video in which Erdogan personally gives the order to bring down the plane, he personally transfers the loot for oil to ISIS. The State Department will not see evidence of his involvement.
        1. Sober
          Sober 9 December 2015 07: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The State Department will not see evidence of his involvement.

          There is such a disease: myopia and farsightedness!
      4. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 9 December 2015 09: 35 New
        +1
        Nope, they won’t, the laws will be rewritten, the rules of investigations will be changed. What do they ..? There is no law for the West ... There is a drawbar. So, do not count.
      5. sherp2015
        sherp2015 9 December 2015 10: 04 New
        0
        Quote: kod3001
        And that’s it! The Turk goes to the wall, when the recorders publish everything, it will fall into place.


        Doubts take! The Yankees wanted to sneeze along with Turkey for the truth ...
        As always, the KhUTsPU will turn on and will blabber and fool the world community, accusing us of aggression against peaceful Igiloffs and Turkoman
      6. vladimir_krm
        vladimir_krm 9 December 2015 10: 51 New
        +1
        Alas, it is very unlikely. Representatives of the US / NATO say they do not trust the Russian recorders, and their companions show a completely different thing. And they will refuse to provide information from satellites. First time, perhaps? :(
    2. Blondy
      Blondy 9 December 2015 08: 03 New
      +6
      Guys, I watched this material on TV, and unexpectedly caught myself thinking that for the first time since the scientific and technological revolution, Russia received (moreover, pranally - the EBN threw nails on it) a supreme leader who has sufficient education and brains to, in addition to political rhetoric, could technically correctly characterize a complex device, its purpose and capabilities.
      1. klaus16
        klaus16 9 December 2015 08: 28 New
        +4
        I agree about literacy. I will add. Cry from the heart. Such an awesome tension, everyone is against us. And the pressure is on all fronts. Impudent lies from amers generally infuriate. "Friends" stuck our languages ​​into the tax. The blockage of world oil is not easy. From Dill with her Baydan just turns out. Turkey has lost its mind. Balts kissed the feet of amers out of dull fear, no logic. It would seem that the country needs to strain, unite together, do everything for the good of the people. We are in danger of giving up something, tying up our belts. But the figurines: our oligarchs and the government are doing everything so that the people would hate the country !!! Such laws are adopted within the country, as much as hair on end. Are you stunned or what? AND?
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    3. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 9 December 2015 08: 43 New
      0
      I ask you not to open it yet, and only open it together with foreign experts, fix everything thoroughly. That is, we will be able to understand where he was and where this treacherous blow was inflicted on him by the Turkish Air Force.


      Under witnesses shorter. By cop. laughing
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 9 December 2015 09: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        Under witnesses shorter. Cop



        Not in a cop, but in a legally competent act, this autopsy will be performed ...
        1. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder 9 December 2015 11: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: veksha50
          Not in a cop, but with a legally competent act, this autopsy will be performed ..


          Yes, it's a joke, but in fact it seems that they did not say that they were "fabricated." smile
    4. Vend
      Vend 9 December 2015 09: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Mihalich17
      The more often we turn to international law, the more we get the feeling that besides us - this is international law, nobody else cares!
      - "Abid, listen, huh?")))

      I do not agree. Appealing to international law, we thereby make the world go in a different direction. If you want to or not, they begin to pay attention in the West to the fact that Russia acts in accordance with international law. And this adds to our loyal countries and pushes them away from the United States and Western robbers.
      1. Mihalich17
        Mihalich17 9 December 2015 10: 15 New
        0
        I agree with you, dear comrade!
        Just ask in the future to take into account my irony! )))
    5. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 9 December 2015 10: 00 New
      0
      Why invite foreign specialists. After all, there is no sense anyway. But the NATO generals and magazines foreign will see that there were no warnings about the violation of the border to the Su-24 pilots. They will see, make sure that the plane was shot down precisely over the territory of Syria, and then they will conclude that the recorder is lying or that the recorder is fake. You will see that it will be so. They will cynically, stupidly and brazenly say the opposite. Confirm that white is black or vice versa. As recently bombed a Syrian village and brazenly and stupidly said that the village was bombed by our VKS. They are wolves, rather jackals, and they must be dealt with exactly the same. Heap up a couple of NATO aircraft and then just as stupidly and brazenly say that they wanted to bomb our air force base and that it was pure self-defense and just like they stupidly repeat the exact opposite, proving contrary to facts that white is black and vice versa. It can only then they will understand something. They obviously run into 3,14 lei. And they won’t trample on us too much to lose by a great war. Well-fed and spoiled hogs, they won’t want to stand in the way of a hungry and hibernated bear.
      1. Mihalich17
        Mihalich17 9 December 2015 10: 17 New
        +1
        Comrad, IVAN IVANOV!
        Russian Aerospace Forces - is written with a capital letter!
    6. sherp2015
      sherp2015 9 December 2015 10: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Mihalich17
      - "Abid, listen, huh?")))


      Nah! Evil berot!
  2. avvg
    avvg 9 December 2015 06: 59 New
    +3
    We have nothing to hide, we are transparent and Turkish meanness will be proved once again.
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 9 December 2015 13: 19 New
      0
      It’s just that for some reason, GDP needs time ... For now, they will decrypt, log, model, etc. The time will do. This recorder, as it were, would not be an argument to kill for a conflict with NATO, if NATO does not break away from Turkey. Already yesterday, from the west, Brzez complacently stated that Putin did not dare to oppose NAT. And now that everything is possible, because against NATA at GDP the killer did not grow. Nude ...
      “It is necessary, of course, to analyze everything, and everything that happens on the battlefield, how weapons work. Both the Caliber and the Ha-101 missiles in general have proven themselves very well, they are new, modern and highly effective, now we are we understand that high-precision weapons, and can be equipped with both conventional warheads and a special warhead, that is, with a nuclear design. Naturally, in the fight against terrorists, nothing is needed, I hope it will never be needed, "Putin said at a meeting with the Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu.

      http://ria.ru/syria_mission/20151208/1338557098.html
      Although the accuracy of the X-101 missiles is more than 3 times worse than the Caliber.
  3. venaya
    venaya 9 December 2015 07: 01 New
    +5
    do not open the parametric recorder Su-24M until arrival for the joint work of foreign specialists

    I believe that the decision is right, as the enemy media are just expecting even the smallest mistake from us. Inform has not been canceled by the war, therefore one must be as pedantic as possible so as not to fall into their cunning traps.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 December 2015 07: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: venaya
      since the enemy media is just expecting even the smallest mistake from us

      Western media will write what is beneficial for them, regardless of what Russia provides there.
      1. venaya
        venaya 9 December 2015 07: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Western media will write that they are profitable

        The information war is not only the Western media, experts from third countries are also connecting here, it is possible to play incriminating evidence on them and on independent media from the West. It is necessary to take into account all the available opportunities, and not to fold the legs and not get up in the ostrich (cancer) pose in such cases. Anyone who wants is looking for opportunities, the rest went further.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 9 December 2015 09: 37 New
          0
          Quote: venaya
          experts from third countries are also connected here, and on independent western media maybe play in this war of incriminating evidence



          Um ... I'm trying to recall from my memory media independent of Western pressure ...

          It doesn’t work out yet ... Even China - at best - will keep silent ...
  4. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 9 December 2015 07: 02 New
    +6
    The darkest one is great - the idea of ​​waiting is simply gorgeous!) I wonder how the "western" partners "" will be unlocked !? will impose sanctions on the joint investigation! ???
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 9 December 2015 09: 38 New
      0
      It’s just that they won’t come ... Or, during an autopsy, their eyes will be gouged out, the forks are pulled out and gouged out. laughing
  5. SSR
    SSR 9 December 2015 07: 04 New
    +2
    But will these specialists arrive, or will those who are "outcasts" at home and whose voice will not be heard, and will it be? Or maybe again as "we do not see the border crossing."
    Separately, I would like to know how the territory in the area of ​​the Su-24 crash was cleared and how effective and whether there were any "gray wolves" among the cleared Turkish fascists ..
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 December 2015 07: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: SSR
      Separately, I would like to know how the territory in the area of ​​the fall of the Su-24 was cleared and how effective and whether there were any "gray wolves" among the cleared Turkish fascists.

      Please, a ticket to Syria and go to the scene as a volunteer. You will know everything first hand, so to speak wink
  6. Olfred
    Olfred 9 December 2015 07: 06 New
    +6
    Yes, it seems to me that even if you poke traitors with your nose into this recorder, they will prove with foam at the mouth that this is either a provocation or something else ... but they are not able, in principle, to admit that they are wrong hi
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 9 December 2015 07: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: OlfRed
      Yes, it seems to me that even if you poke traitors with your nose into this recorder, they will prove with foam at the mouth that this is either a provocation or something else ... but they are not able, in principle, to admit that they are wrong hi


      Yes, they are all stoned, from the same test tube - that our liberals, that their tolerants, that the Ukrop "political scientists" - the cockroaches have an eternal disco in their heads, therefore there is an unhealthy shine in their eyes. But you have to poke your nose.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 9 December 2015 08: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: iliitch
        But you have to poke your nose

        They are like "water off a duck's back" even if the entire face is smeared with stolen ISIS oil and hands will be covered in blood up to the elbows. The only hope is in some Western media and public opinion.
  7. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 9 December 2015 07: 07 New
    +6
    To do this, you need to be sure that the military is telling the truth and that drying did not cross the border.
    In this case, it will be an additional trump card to once again dip the white and fluffy muzzle of our western "partners" into their own feces. lol winked
    Personally, my opinion hi
    1. cniza
      cniza 9 December 2015 07: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: Rurikovich
      To do this, you need to be sure that the military is telling the truth and that drying did not cross the border.
      In this case, it will be an additional trump card to once again dip the white and fluffy muzzle of our western "partners" into their own feces. lol winked
      Personally, my opinion hi



      Even if crossed - the actions are inadequate and contrary to practice.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 9 December 2015 09: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        Even if crossed - the actions are inadequate and contrary to practice.



        Putin clearly said: open and investigate with the participation of foreign experts, regardless of the resultsto be received ...

        That is, even if our plane spent a few minutes, if not minutes, in Turkish airspace, this is not a reason for its destruction ... And the conversation afterwards will be more specific ...
  8. 1536
    1536 9 December 2015 07: 08 New
    +2
    "The bandits were energetically leaving this territory and did not manage to remove anything from the downed plane."

    Judging by the fact that we fly, it is true that the agents of the CIA and US military intelligence did not have time to remove the Friend-Alien system. It is very good. And the fact that some "international experts" again want to entrust the transcript of the recorder is bad. What kind of experts? From NATO, or what? This maniac Stoltenberg, or what is it? Who will "play" with them, "they have eight aces in the deck."
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 9 December 2015 07: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: 1536
      Judging by the fact that we fly, it is true that the agents of the CIA and US military intelligence did not have time to remove the Friend-Alien system. It is very good.


      I hope you are right. If the operation was prepared in advance, then special groups were created, where each had its own mission, who had to find the pilot by the beacon, and the others had the remains of the onboard equipment. And the fact that ours are still flying calmly does not mean that the system has not fallen into our hands. Although, on the other hand, after such a fall and explosion of the plane, it is unlikely that there is something whole there, except for the recorder. I hope the place where the Su-24 crashed was additionally "sprayed" into atoms.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 December 2015 07: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: 1536
      And the fact that some "international experts" again want to entrust the transcript of the recorder is bad

      For those who do not read articles or read in parts ....
      and open it only together with foreign experts
    3. WUA 518
      WUA 518 9 December 2015 07: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: 1536
      The United States did not manage to remove the Friend-Alien system

      On the blocks of the respondent state recognition system is a special destruction system.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 December 2015 08: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: WUA 518
        On the blocks of the respondent state recognition system is a special destruction system.

        Hi Sanya. Davai in Russian - I am a teapot smile
        1. WUA 518
          WUA 518 9 December 2015 08: 44 New
          +4
          Hello San, everything related to the state recognition system is classified as "state secret". I'll just give you an example. In our regiment, the regiment commander and the "Password" group had personal cars, the guys in the service were always armed. During their work, everyone was removed from the plane, regardless of their rank, if the Minister of Defense had dropped in, they would have pushed him too. An armed sentry was displayed and the guys worked.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 9 December 2015 09: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: WUA 518
            During their work, everyone was removed from the plane, despite the ranks



            This is similar to the service to prevent unauthorized launches in the Strategic Missile Forces ...

            That is, mechanisms and devices, the disclosure of the principle of action of which can extremely adversely affect not only combat readiness, but also external political processes, have always been and will be a state secret ...
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 December 2015 07: 14 New
    +5
    Vladimir Putin proposed not to open a parametric recorder of a downed Su-24М before arrival for the joint work of foreign specialists

    As always, everything is honest with us. But our honesty often turns against us. We want as needed and accepted, but we are accused of all mortal sins a priori. We adhere to international law, and the West has long spit on it. Something The United States and its allies have modestly kept silent about the Malaysian Boeing. Everything according to the script. New provocations have pushed this crime to the second (and even fourth) plan, now you can forget about it, especially since the provocation played a role against Russia. This will continue in the future.
    1. cniza
      cniza 9 December 2015 07: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      As always, we are honest.



      We have stood and will stand - this is the strength of Russia.
    2. Tanker55
      Tanker55 9 December 2015 08: 21 New
      +6
      Honor and truth have always kept pace with Russia, shoulder to shoulder, and there is no sense in departing from our life principles.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 9 December 2015 09: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Tankman55
        Honor and truth have always kept pace with Russia, shoulder to shoulder, and there is no sense in departing from our life principles.



        Although I completely agree with you and cniza, I’d like to say this: with ferrets, pigs and jackals, you still need to act according to the laws of their pack ... As you tell me, I tell you ... Alaverds, so to speak...
  10. Teplohod
    Teplohod 9 December 2015 07: 19 New
    +1
    Judging by what has already been said, I won’t be surprised if foreign experts simply ignore this event.
  11. sl22277
    sl22277 9 December 2015 07: 27 New
    +2
    Everything was done correctly. There is no sense in opening it without international experts - they will immediately declare that everything is forgery. This option is also possible: According to the results of the examination, the experts will be declared "agents of the Kremlin" ... I do not think that Erdogan will recognize a planned provocation, this is simply not feasible ...
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 9 December 2015 07: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: sl22277
      There is no sense in opening it without international experts - they will immediately say that everything is forgery.
      If desired, they can call a forgery and the presented sample, which was discovered without their participation. In general, the further, the more the West with "rights" is likened to the wolf from Krylov's fable, "You are only to blame for the fact that I want to eat," and until the States have their fangs pulled out, while they think they are the coolest, so it will be, they wanted to spit on all the arguments.
  12. Name
    Name 9 December 2015 07: 29 New
    0
    "For the first time used cruise missiles" Caliber "from the submarine" Rostov-on-Don "from the Mediterranean Sea. The missile salvo was fired from a submerged position. "... The process is hanging ...
  13. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 9 December 2015 07: 30 New
    +4
    It’s time to get used to the fact that GDP is not likened to Western leaders and acts on the basis of international law and bilateral agreements. Otherwise, Russian politics would not differ from rotten Western ones. On the contrary, you should be proud of it. to the place of Su Suki’s crash, a very correct decision is the same as the operation to rescue a surviving crew member and detect the remains of a combat vehicle. We know how to work the hell
  14. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 9 December 2015 07: 32 New
    +1
    This is done for those who still doubt under the pressure of Western propaganda! Let them see for themselves that Turkey is an extravagant traitor. More precisely, Erdogan.
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 December 2015 07: 34 New
    +1
    Everything must be done by law.
    We give them a chance to be good, honest.
    But they regularly expose themselves to everyone ...
    Is that our fault?
    The same Ukraine, Turkey, NATO.
    We constantly give them a chance to play fair, according to the rules,
    spelled out by them.
    And it’s not our fault that they violate these rules.
  16. Junior, I
    Junior, I 9 December 2015 07: 40 New
    +1
    Then you shouldn't invite these Dutch "specialists". All the same, they will not find anything and turned upside down.
  17. Riv
    Riv 9 December 2015 07: 42 New
    +1
    Erdoagan is given the last chance to save face. Send your experts, get evidence, appoint extreme ones.
    We'll see ...
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 9 December 2015 08: 10 New
      +1
      Yeah. Erdoagan will immediately cry and leave. It’s ridiculous. I don’t understand why the hell these foreign specialists. They will be like Poles near Smolensk.
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  19. radogost
    radogost 9 December 2015 07: 52 New
    +1
    Yes, no one cares about this evidence !!!
    SSY in the eyes of all God's dew!
    For them, RUSSIA is an enemy!
    BUT NOT FOR LONG THIS BACCHANIA TO CONTINUE !!!
    soldier
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 December 2015 08: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: radogost
      BUT NOT FOR LONG THIS BACCHANIA TO CONTINUE !!!

      Well, once you have entered the business, then yes, all kirdyk.
  20. starchina pv
    starchina pv 9 December 2015 08: 10 New
    +1
    Turks will give up everything !!!!! stsuki !!! and again, they will dump everything on Russia !!
  21. Military Builder
    Military Builder 9 December 2015 08: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: kod3001
    And that’s it! The Turk goes to the wall, when the recorders publish everything, it will fall into place.

    yes, they will not "trample" anyone, in the west it will be done in "small print", since the basic principle of Western diplomacy and the media is: See a chip in Russia, but not notice a log in your own country.
  22. V.ic
    V.ic 9 December 2015 08: 16 New
    0
    Vladimir Putin:
    I ask you not to open it yet, and only open it together with foreign experts, to fix everything carefully. That is, we can understand where he was and where this treacherous blow was dealt to him from the Turkish Air Force.

    Extract information from the module, where such information has never happened?
    The SARPP-12 system provides registration of the current values ​​of the following parameters:
    · Static pressure corresponding to the flight altitude;
    · Dynamic pressure corresponding to flight speed;
    · Linear overloads on the vertical axis of the aircraft;
    · Angular displacement of the elevator;
    · Revolutions of a turbocompressor of the right engine;
    · Revolutions of a turbocompressor of the left engine.
    In addition, the SARPP-12 system provides the registration of the following one-time commands:
    · Minimum fuel pressure of the left engine;
    · Minimum fuel pressure of the right engine;
    · Actuation of the left engine fire alarm system;
    · Actuation of the fire alarm system of the right engine;
    · Failure of the left engine generator;
    · Failure of the generator of the right engine;
    · Triggering of the icing alarm system.
    As we can see, there is no information from the Doppler velocity and drift angle meter / DISS-7 /, therefore, it is impossible to establish a specific geographic point where our aircraft was attacked with the required accuracy. Unless just once again "shake the nerves" of the adversaries present.
    1. WYCCTPUJIA
      WYCCTPUJIA 9 December 2015 08: 56 New
      0
      Sucks you went to school, dear. The fact that you have listed is enough to draw a diagram of the flight route !!! hi
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 9 December 2015 10: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: WYCCTPUJIA
        Sucks you went to school, dear.

        Well, dear, the certificate shows how I studied at school. Send me "in a personal" scan of your certificate, I'll give you mine, then we will make a conclusion about the quality of education in the Soviet school at the stage of the 60s - 70s of the last century.
        Quote: WYCCTPUJIA
        The fact that you have listed is enough to draw a diagram of the flight route!

        Really? And will you suck the missing information about the course from your finger / pulled out of your own sphincter /? Before minus, you would need to remember that the movement of an object is a process that takes place only when the coordinates of an object "tied" to a specific reference system change.
    2. WUA 518
      WUA 518 9 December 2015 10: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: V.ic
      SARPP-12 system

      In this case, it is a secure on-board drive of parametric information Bant-32. Depending on the application, various modifications are produced: BANT-32-01, BANT-32-02, differing in memory capacity.
      Provides
      ♦ Readout of flight data to modern devices for rewriting and processing information such as Topaz, AVEN-NM, etc. through the RS-485 interface at a speed of 115 Kbit / s. In particular, synchronization of the aircraft trajectory parameters.
  23. wild
    wild 9 December 2015 08: 26 New
    +1
    And they need it ???? There everyone understands that Russia brought down the Boeing, that the Turks defended sovereignty from the vile Russians, and once again we will show ourselves as the bollards of the golden billion. Invite Obama along with Biden for an autopsy.
  24. mamont5
    mamont5 9 December 2015 08: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: cniza
    Quote: armored optimist
    Yes, foreigners will simply ignore the offer so as not to acknowledge anything. And then they will stink that they wanted to present fake data.


    They will try to do this, they are trying to press Russia in all directions, I think we will be able to propose that they will not refuse, they haven’t got the trump cards yet.

    Exactly. Anyway, there will be honest experts who will record all the indicators of the recorders. And first let the USA and the jackal ignore all this, but the TRUTH will still come out.
  25. Very old
    Very old 9 December 2015 08: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: hedgehog in the fog
    a literate move, falsifications and fakes are impossible, they will wipe the Yankees nose and untie the hands of the GDP to influence Turkey, but they will still find a fucker kakuyu something for fun
  26. naGua
    naGua 9 December 2015 08: 45 New
    +1
    Putin’s unnecessary offer. Would the US or NATO say so in a similar situation, would they call Russian experts?

    Guys, we must not forget that the big game is going on not only and how many "approvals" of governments, how many for the opinion of the public opinion of the opposing countries (this is me so softly). First of all, the media. And this action of Putin is absolutely correct. Some newspapers and magazines, radio and television, as always, will lie, but others will remain. And there are more and more of them. "Here's a fact on your face" - as Petka said in one rather hooligan anecdote. Let them hawala. Someone may swallow, and someone will choke. In the west, people are tired of constant lies.
    ... Ukrainian media do not count ...
  27. Engineer
    Engineer 9 December 2015 08: 54 New
    0
    Strong GDP
  28. solovey
    solovey 9 December 2015 08: 57 New
    +1
    even if we show everything and prove to others the Americans will say that we have not seen direct evidence of THIS FACT - they will only see when "Satan" is installed in Cuba.
    but the Turks do not need to prove anything - it is just necessary that Turkey ceases to coexist as a state and Istanbul again becomes Orthodox Constantinople.
  29. Dave36
    Dave36 9 December 2015 09: 03 New
    -3
    Yes, everyone is fucked by this recorder, that you are like children .. VVP was supposed to enter Syria and immediately close the sky .. To fight like that .. And his balls are twisted from all sides. Not really visible .. Three voltage lines and nowhere to be seen shifts. Donbass - just a money vacuum cleaner - no solution. Syria-even worse .. we are simply allowed to fight with Isil .. yes they will flow away .. Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan ....
    Crimea is another money vacuum cleaner .....
    So far, with the best diplomats, there’s a dead end everywhere ..
    Jews are already rubbing their hands ... they promise gas to the Turks ... like this ...
    1. kagorta
      kagorta 9 December 2015 09: 30 New
      +2
      Crimea, this is not a vacuum cleaner, this is an asset in which you don’t invest a lot, and then cut the coupons! laughing
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 9 December 2015 12: 40 New
      0
      What kind of gas do the Jews promise them? belay I heard that they are Qatari, they will buy tanker. You do not confuse anything?
  30. Papapg
    Papapg 9 December 2015 09: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: radogost
    Yes, no one cares about this evidence !!!
    SSY in the eyes of all God's dew!
    For them, RUSSIA is an enemy!

    Than to have such friends, it is better if they remain enemies and I want to hope so. For centuries, they were selected for cunning, treachery, meanness, and most probably offensive to foulness.
    So it’s better to let them remain enemies. It’s easier for us, and we should never forget this — we were enemies, we are enemies, I hope we will remain enemies. Treat them like a poisonous snake!
  31. veksha50
    veksha50 9 December 2015 09: 28 New
    +2
    "The bandits energetically left this territory"...

    I am never tired of being surprised at the linguistic possibilities of politicians ... I still remember "Forcing Georgia to peace" ...

    But seriously ... The arrival of foreign experts - is it really necessary? Putin, and in his person - Russia - again refers to this evil rabble with an open soul, but I am sure that they will spit on it, this open soul ...

    But, in general, recently, Putin has constantly been trying to cover up all of Russia's actions in terms of international law ...

    If the black box confirms the destruction of the aircraft over Syria, there will already be an official legal trump card against the raging Turkish politicians ... More than a sailor with MANPADS on the deck ...
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 9 December 2015 10: 54 New
      +1
      By itself, it is better to have a black box than not. The President made a move. Who should have heard. International experts will come, they will not come, no difference. Putin, as it were, says, "we are open and play fair." To such a statement, even if you were frostbitten to the waist, you still have to answer. So far, fortunately, there are countries that have a decent GDP and developed industry. And not everyone likes what the United States is doing. How do you think you would communicate with someone you can trust, or choose an outright thief? I understand that politics does not tolerate sentimentality, but nevertheless, politicians are people too. And the personal attitude has not been canceled yet.
  32. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 9 December 2015 09: 35 New
    0
    I understand and agree with statements like: “why call some Western experts to do everything and announce everything to the world” and “whatever they say, they will not believe us or pretend not to notice”. on the other hand, if we put aside emotions like "e..t around Tbilisi" and talk calmly, then Putin and the team, doing so, I hope time will confirm this, are doing the right thing. Putin has repeatedly shown that acting in the international arena in a "soft key", without aggravating the situation, he acts quickly at the right time and surprises with non-standard moves. calling on international experts - he makes it clear that we are open and are hiding nothing. it is clear that the political elites of the West are biased and cannot be convinced of anything, but the average person and part of the political elite will draw conclusions for themselves. perhaps that is why in European countries, Putin is said to be quite popular in polls.
  33. miller66
    miller66 9 December 2015 09: 38 New
    -3
    why the hell should we wait for the next prostitutes - to open, make public, and punish anybody and how to
  34. Boris55
    Boris55 9 December 2015 10: 04 New
    +3
    ... The "black box" was discovered the day before in northern Syria ...

    I wonder how we got this "black box". Someone carried out a successful special operation ... Well done!
    (I don’t think that the Turks or Igilovites handed it to us as a sign of gratitude for our bombing)
  35. drundel861
    drundel861 9 December 2015 10: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Mihalich17
    The more often we turn to international law, the more we get the feeling that besides us - this is international law, nobody else cares!
    - "Abid, listen, huh?")))

    I have exactly the same feeling that everyone doesn’t give a damn about people's normative legal acts. Just like in a saying, the law is like a drawbar, where you turned there and left request . But the GDP is trying to strictly abide by these (laws), so as not to let the white-headed chicken bark in our direction negative
  36. Bort radist
    Bort radist 9 December 2015 10: 33 New
    0
    Good day, everyone! In the current situation, we are very deeply aware of the Western media and their specialists. Our business is to invite and then publish the results. This is its objective control. When the time comes to take revenge on the hand of the direct executor, I am sure that it will not flinch, a holy cause. But the next, objective confirmation of meanness will not hurt.
    PS About the recorders in the first hours a thought came, but thought - destroyed. Many probably looked for them, to find out how they found. The next day, when the slopes were ironed, the hunters must have beaten the hunt for strangers.
  37. GOGY
    GOGY 9 December 2015 11: 10 New
    0
    Quote: kod3001
    And that’s it! The Turk goes to the wall, when the recorders publish everything, it will fall into place.

    It's not a fact that they'll screw it up, the Turks have already blown off the tower, even though ssy in the eyes, all the dew of God, they will refuse, they will say - they say "the king is not real"
  38. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 9 December 2015 11: 21 New
    +1
    I agree with the statement that the Western "Dermocrats" will ignore the next evidence (recorder) of a vile crime. Evidence without this was sufficient that the SU-24 was shot down in Syria, what else do they want ....?
  39. Dave36
    Dave36 9 December 2015 11: 28 New
    0
    Here the key word is BEAT !!! Do not care where ...
    We were all happy about the Turkish toad at the MANPADS - but no .. it turned out to be true ...
  40. iouris
    iouris 9 December 2015 12: 14 New
    0
    The data from the flight recorder are used to solve flight safety problems and investigate the causes of aircraft accidents. Erdogan confirmed the fact of the downing of the plane. An additional study of objective control data will not add anything. To establish the fact of non-violation of the state border, parametric information from this registrar does not matter. Another thing is the data of the on-board tape recorder, which record the radio exchange.
    Erdogan tried to involve NATO in the creation of a "no-fly zone" over the territories of Syria and Iraq, which are controlled by "Turkomans" and ISIS members. But at the same time, he created certain moral problems for NATO: Khuseynich is acting too clearly against the anti-terrorists. However, the "decisive" Erdogan is acting in a trend, therefore, without carrying out an operation to clear the airspace and blocking Turkish airfields during flights in northern Syria, it is impossible to prevent combat losses. On the other hand, after the shooting down of the Su-24, the S-400 was deployed the next day. Further, as you move to the east, you should deploy an air defense system along the border with Turkey (in fact, with NATO). Otherwise, "friendly bombing" and ambush attacks by aircraft will continue.
  41. cap
    cap 9 December 2015 13: 19 New
    0
    That's how you want, the situation is very similar to the one that happened in my life.
    Just the first association of Shoigu’s visit to Putin.
    "Evening, the doorbell rings.
    A neighbor comes in and says:
    - tell me I don’t know what to do .. my wife bought a thoroughbred puppy,
    I dragged her home and left for my mother.
    He shits and shits around the apartment I don't know what to do ... "
    I advised him to "fix" the dog several times with his nose at the scene of the "crime" ... it helped. " laughing
  42. Flatter
    Flatter 9 December 2015 13: 51 New
    0
    To avoid possible provocations, the presence of coalition specialists at the air defense facilities in Syria is necessary. No one knows what to expect from international terrorism. This will be an excellent move.