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Self generator

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For Iskander or C-400 to start working, you need momentum


Quite a lot has been written about the products of enterprises belonging to the High-Precision Complexes holding. Not only experts and specialists, but also ordinary people not only know what Pantsir, Iskander, Cornet, Exhaust are, but also have a good idea of ​​what these weapons and military equipment are capable of.

But in the holding's product line there are products that are not so well known to the general public, although without them operational tactical missile systems, anti-aircraft missile systems, and even ordinary ones are useless Tanks.

Light in the tank


Iskander is a complex with very high power consumption. Without normal powering OTRK useless. This is the problem of all modern high-tech weapons systems - the Pantyr and C-400, etc. If the systems move in motion, they receive electricity from the generator, and that in turn works from the main engine, then at the starting position, no matter how powerful nor were the batteries, they would still be enough for a very short time, and it would be costly to drive the engine at idle. The service life is knocked out, and most importantly, the fuel is consumed, ”the officer of the Main Automobile and Armored Directorate told the Military Industrial Courier.

A similar problem with modern tanks, self-propelled artillery installations, whose systems and units have become quite complex. “It was possible to manually rotate the T-34 tower in the Great Patriotic War,” recalls the tank officer.

For the full functioning of the fire control system, stabilizer, automatic loader, etc., an electric current is required. When the engine works, problems with electricity, of course, does not arise. But what if, for example, a tank or an ACS took up a position, are in ambush?

To solve the problem of energy supply, the Chelyabinsk Special Design Bureau Turbina, which is part of the High-Precision Complexes holding, develops and manufactures small-scale gas turbine engines, as well as multifunctional gas turbine units, which are firmly incorporated into the onboard equipment of Russian T-80 family tanks, self-propelled artillery units. MSTA family, C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, Iskander operational tactical complexes and many other models.

In particular, the gas turbine power units of the GTA-18 series, which are distinguished by their small dimensions and weight, can not only provide the T-80 tank system with electricity for a whole day, but also charge the batteries of the machines, ensure the start of the main engine at low temperatures units, they can also be mounted on a fender of tanks when upgrading them.

It is noteworthy that as the auxiliary power unit (APU) of the American tank М1А2 "Abrams", it is currently supposed to use a hundred kilogram rotary engine with a power of 10 kilowatt. However, while there is no accurate data on the completion of tests of the APU, the existing photographs of the Abrams (not only the US Army, but also the armed forces of Saudi Arabia) show characteristic boxes with standard additional batteries installed in the back of the tower.

German developers of armored vehicles on the most modern model of the main battle tank "Leopard 2А7" as an auxiliary power unit used a small-sized (weight - 115 kilograms) diesel engine M12 of "Steyr".

So why, in contrast to their Western colleagues, did Russian engineers prefer gas turbine power units?

“They run without problems at low temperatures, even in arctic conditions. Neither the diesel engine, nor the “lighters” (gasoline engines - AR) can compare with them, ”explains the GABTU officer.

Another feature of the units of the development and production of SKB "Turbina" is that diesel fuel in this power unit is used as the main, and kerosene and gasoline serve as duplicate.

“Of course, kerosene is optimal for gas turbine engines. T-80 tanks with gas turbine engines use T-1, TS-1, RT fuel, i.e. aviation kerosene. But in other tanks and self-propelled guns with diesel engines it is irrational to use kerosene for the APU - these are unnecessary problems with their refueling, transportation and separation of reserves. Kerosene is not only fire hazardous, but also expensive. But our tank diesel engines are multi-fuel, they can even be refueled with gasoline. Therefore, the power units on our tanks are multi-fuel, ”says the source of the Military Industrial Courier.

Unlike Western foreign power plants, including those mentioned American and German, located mainly in a separate armor box, fixed either in the rear of the tower, or behind the transmission compartment, Russian GTEs, which can be located on the fences inside the hull and are made with minimum dimensions in height, well protected from possible damage due to enemy fire.

Compared to the GTA-18, the AP-2DM power unit installed on the 19-18 ACS not only provides the on-board self-propelled network with direct current electricity, but also maintains the air conditioning of the inhabited compartment in the parking lot and in motion. As in tank energy registries, diesel fuel was used as the primary fuel in fuel-power plants, while kerosene and gasoline are used as a backup.

However, due to the large dimensions, the 2-19 power supply unit is already installed not in the artillery installation armored hull, but in a special protected compartment in the rear of the tower. This option seems to be more vulnerable compared to the one implemented on tank GTE-18, but for an SAU firing at the enemy from closed positions for tens of kilometers, the choice is justified.

More powerful and complex power units APK-40Т and APK-40ТМ, designed for launchers of operational-tactical complexes "Iskander", not only feed the on-board network and air-conditioning system, but also provide the drive for the units of the facility, including hydraulic pumps, generators etc.

But installed on modern anti-aircraft missile systems, including the C-400, the power supply unit of the AES-40 generates electric current not only from the GTE, but also from the chassis running engine through a special power take-off box.

"Turbine" from the cold


As already mentioned, one of the important advantages of gas turbine engines is the ability to work in arctic conditions with the exception of problems such as overcooling, freezing of the structure, etc. Currently, the development of the Far North is very active, research facilities are being created there geological surveys, mined minerals, military units deployed.

Self generator


It is clear that complex infrastructure and various equipment require more electricity, which can only be obtained from mobile power units of various capacities. True, gasoline and diesel generators in extreme temperatures — often below minus 50 degrees Celsius, unlike gas turbines, are not always able to function normally.

Until recently, the American company CAPstone, which produces a wide range of such products, was the leading developer and manufacturer of gas turbine power units in the world. But now she has a worthy competitor in the face of the Chelyabinsk special design bureau Turbina, which created the MGTU-100 micro gas turbine unit with an 100 kilowatt capacity and running on natural fuel.

Presented this year at several international exhibitions, including “Oil and Gas”, as well as at the Moscow aerospace show, the new MSTU has interested potential buyers not only from the sphere of mining. Manufacturers plan to launch a new installation on the market as early as 2016. It is also in the plans of “Turbines” to develop on the basis of MGTU-100 a line of power units designed to perform various tasks and differ not only in power, but also most importantly in size and weight.

Another promising development of the Chelyabinsk Special Design Bureau is the PZA-18 starting-charging unit, also designed for operation in arctic conditions. It provides electric starter engine start-up and power supply of on-board electrical networks both on aircraft and on ground-based equipment. At the request of the customer, it is possible to include a welding set-top box and much more hydraulic and electrical equipment to ensure its operation in hard-to-reach places.

The products of the High-Precision Complexes holding SKB Turbina are made from domestic components and, according to their capabilities and characteristics, occupy leading positions not only in the domestic, but also in the world market.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 December 2015 06: 48
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    So why, in contrast to their Western colleagues, did Russian engineers prefer gas turbine power units?


    What is good for the Russian is death for the German.
    You have to do your own thing, and do not look blindly at the "west". am
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 12 December 2015 06: 55
      -2
      And also because we have this gas in bulk, although we pump it to anyone ... laughing
      1. paxil
        paxil 12 December 2015 07: 08
        +6
        Quote: yuriy55
        And also because we have this gas in bulk, although we pump it to anyone ...

        What does the gas have to do with it? Turbines operate primarily on aviation kerosene laughing
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 12 December 2015 07: 46
          +2
          Quote: paxil
          Quote: yuriy55
          And also because we have this gas in bulk, although we pump it to anyone ...

          What does the gas have to do with it? Turbines operate primarily on aviation kerosene laughing

          Really. After all, even in reciprocating internal combustion engines, in our time people tend to burn fuel not in a liquid state (gasoline, diesel fuel, kerosene), but first to convert it to a gaseous state as much as possible. As a result, the quality of fuel combustion and, consequently, engine efficiency is improved.
          The same is true for gas turbines, only the propeller is not a piston, but a turbine.
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 12 December 2015 07: 52
            +1
            Here is the news for a million ... yes
            Military expert: The Russian Army will soon receive the first prototypes of the C-500
            On the approach is the completion of the state test and the first pilot application of the ZRS C-500
            https://russian.rt.com/article/136121
          2. Amurets
            Amurets 12 December 2015 08: 45
            +4
            Quote: Hagalaz
            After all, even in reciprocating internal combustion engines, in our time people tend to burn fuel not in a liquid state (gasoline, diesel fuel, kerosene), but first to convert it to a gaseous state as much as possible. As a result, the quality of fuel combustion and, consequently, engine efficiency is improved.

            Yes, for centuries, fuel was supplied to the cylinders either in the form of steam (carburetor ICE) or finely atomized and well mixed with air (injection and diesel ICE.)
            1. Hagalaz
              Hagalaz 12 December 2015 09: 23
              +1
              Naturally. The question is the quality and degree of evaporation, atomization and mixing of fuel in those engines that are "from time immemorial" and which now smile . As well as in aviation, turbo and turbojet engines from time immemorial, not golimovy kerosene was burned, but as much as possible sprayed, evaporated. The essence of my first comment in explaining the fundamentals of the principle is that it is not the gas that we pump from underground that is burned, but the one into which liquid fuel is converted.
        2. War and Peace
          War and Peace 12 December 2015 09: 12
          +2
          if you sit in an ambush, the best thing is something that is not too noisy. GTU can not be called quiet and you can hear such an assembly for many kilometers, so stealth in an ambush, of course, suffers, this is also a problem and not small ...
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 12 December 2015 09: 45
            +2
            Well, it's not an aircraft engine. But there is a problem and they are also struggling with it, as well as with visibility in the infrared range.
        3. yuriy55
          yuriy55 12 December 2015 12: 51
          0
          Quote: paxil
          Quote: yuriy55
          And also because we have this gas in bulk, although we pump it to anyone ...

          What does the gas have to do with it? Turbines operate primarily on aviation kerosene laughing


          True, gasoline and diesel generators at extreme temperatures - often below minus 50 degrees Celsius, unlike gas turbines, are not always able to function normally.


          Until recently, the leading developer and manufacturer of gas turbine power units in the world was the American company CAPstone, producing a wide range of such products. But now she has a worthy competitor in the person of the Chelyabinsk Design Bureau “Turbina”, who created the MGTU-100 micro-gas turbine unit with a capacity of 100 kilowatts and running on natural fuel.

          Here are the characteristics and types of fuel:
          http://www.bpcenergy.ru/equipment/capstone/1263/

          Presented this year at several international exhibitions, including Oil and Gas, as well as at the Moscow Aviation and Space Salon, the new MSTU interested potential buyers not only from the field of mining. Manufacturers plan to bring the new installation to the market in 2016. Also in the plans of "Turbines" to develop on the basis of MGTU-100 a line of power units designed to perform various tasks and differing not only in capacity, but most importantly - in size and weight.

          Here that ours want to squeeze this company

          The article is big, there are a lot of letters ... Suggestions tell not only about power plants for tanks ... what
          tongue
    2. max702
      max702 12 December 2015 12: 12
      +4
      For some reason, the article does not say the most important disadvantage of the GTE, namely the PRICE .. During the USSR, the GTE on the T-80 cost 19 TIMES! more diesel on the T-72 .. It is clear that the figures for the auxiliary turbine will not be the same, and even with "military" prices, they do not really matter, but it is not in vain that these units did not receive mass distribution, there are no figures on fuel consumption, ( although this is a trifle against the background of the main engine consumption). Now full of cheap and fairly reliable generators for 6.5-10kW, GTU can compete with them, great! (Especially with a large production volume), it will not be able to, therefore, something else needs to be developed ..
      rs: I have repeatedly written that I am a supporter of a power plant based on a DGY (motor generator cell) in which a diesel + generator pair installed in a standard easily mounted frame gives all the necessary energy to a combat unit, scientific advances make it possible to create a generator of the required power of extremely small dimensions, the engine can be used from a small commercial vehicle today, removing 1-75l / s from 100 liter of diesel volume is not fantasy, but reality .. And we get a DHA of the minimum size (diesel 2l + generator) with a power of 100 kW .. This DHA can be used on almost all types of equipment, a car of the "UAZ" type will suffice and one, of the "Tiger" type, two (steam will easily fit into the engine compartment), Kamaz Ural 3-4 .. On BMP / BTR 4-6 .. and the reliability and survivability in combat conditions increases dramatically, DHA can be assembled not in one place as a standard engine, but in several (the dimensions will allow), respectively, you cannot disable everything with one shot, and the reliability itself is several Big DHA is higher than that of one engine, one or two breaks, nothing terrible, the car will continue to move on the rest, a similar scheme was implemented in the BTR 60, but since it was mechanical it turned out poorly .. There is no such problem in the electric transmission, because there are no mechanical connections. There will be fuel savings, since in most cases one DHW will be enough, and, accordingly, the motor resource increases many times, and if we take into account that the engine is taken from a commercial truck and even in the generator set works in the most rational mode, we get DHN with a huge resource. Mass production of DHE will allow to dramatically reduce its cost (the higher the series, the lower the price), the same spare parts, the same training in operation and maintenance will again reduce the cost of this solution, and such a thing as the ability to remove the necessary DHE from one equipment and put it on another will dramatically increase reliability and the combat effectiveness of the units. And another nuance, a technique to completely get rid of the complex mechanical transmission of the source of eternal hemorrhoids and permanent breakdowns.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 12 December 2015 12: 41
        +2
        You are absolutely right in stating the fact that turbines are difficult to manufacture and if used as an engine, the consumption of auxiliary fuel is incredibly high. But if you look deep into the question and the problems that we have solved, the turbine becomes very light and simple in production technology and in the fact that this auxiliary fuel becomes unnecessary. Why? Because the turbine can be, by the productivity of the pumped air or water, orders of magnitude higher. Again, the increased productivity conceals the potential of the unused potential energy of hydro-gas-dynamic flow. This is a technology and its own algorithms for organizing such a process, when this potential energy can be extracted and controlled. Therefore, it is worth sharing the prospects for using and, in general, creating new turbines both constructively and by orders of magnitude more efficient, and with the settings you are talking about. And they also have their place to be.
    3. varov14
      varov14 12 December 2015 22: 42
      +1
      I don’t know, death is not death, but once in the distant years (Rossel was elected to our governor’s office, it seems for a second term, which is why I remember it) I hear on the radio, after the previous advertisement, that some crank, homegrown Kulibin, invented the rotary engine . With a weight of as much as 15 kilos and a capacity of 75 horses, it was possible to bet on cars (although he invented for this purpose), compared to gasoline, some unimaginable efficiency and bad fuel economy. But since Kulibin needed refinement, well, a bit of money, the poor guy was naturally sent off, journalists asked why he didn’t sell abroad, they asked, but he is a patriot. I didn’t hear about him anymore, apparently like death.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 12 December 2015 22: 56
        0
        I’ll simply tell you that the person who invented the screw and then the impeller-OH first of all thought and saw what was being done and why. He saw the process and the device adjusted for it. Therefore, any inventor is valuable not in what he showed, but in how and what he sees in an idealized image of what he wants to realize. There are a huge number of impellers and working rotors of centrifugal pumps and other devices in the world, but believe me, no one sees the processes occurring in the structure of a hydro-gas-dynamic flow. Therefore, how many more will be and will be invented, but without knowing the elementary physical process, everything will be wrong, and therefore not effective. Therefore, I precisely and clearly understand that if such fundamental discoveries and inventions reach others, they will always be one step ahead of the rest. After all, this is not just a turbine or engine-propulsion for aviation, it is based on the technology of generating energy of those forces with a vector and potential of which we are now fighting.
  2. Amurets
    Amurets 12 December 2015 07: 11
    +4
    I know firsthand what a failure of a power unit is. Yes, in winter conditions there were always problems with fuel and oil. For some reason they could freeze at the most inopportune time. We constantly had to warm at idle, wasting resources. There was no need to deal with gas turbine power units, but reviews I’ve heard the most flattering ones. But I was dealing with small-sized diesel and gasoline imported units. In principle, there is nothing to blame for them, but the requirements for fuel and lubricants are very high and parts and not only plastics and rubber can burst at temperatures below 30 degrees Celsius but also metal.
  3. NeRTT
    NeRTT 12 December 2015 07: 13
    +2
    With today's pace of deployment of military Arctic bases in the vast expanses of the North, this is just what you need !!! Well done defenders !!! soldier Keep it up!!! good
  4. Zubr
    Zubr 12 December 2015 09: 49
    +1
    But is it not time for our defense industry (at least the defense industry) to switch to such generators?
    Places do not take up much, the power is pretty decent, and the fuel does not eat.
    With a competent approach, the cost of our equipment will fall at times, and energy supply will become gratuitous.
    I understand that this will not cause small damage to the oil magnates, but at least the defense.

    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 December 2015 10: 06
      +5
      In the next 30 to 40 years, it will not do anything to an oil tycoon because in the world almost all equipment operates on fossil fuels, and this one without a fuel generator, like all others like it, is an ordinary swindle.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 12 December 2015 10: 54
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        this one without a fuel generator, like all others like it, is a usual sell.

        This toy was taken from Nikola Tesla’s development. It looks spectacular in the circus. I look even on bio-fuel projects began to be minimized.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 12 December 2015 13: 04
          0
          Because laboratory samples and practical samples are completely different things. The ant is able to bear the weight several times its own weight, and humans and any large animals change this ratio to a different vector. The reasons are not in the ant or elephant or man, but in those physical processes that determine similar proportions at different energy levels. Therefore, this also needs to be taken into account.
    2. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 12 December 2015 12: 47
      0
      Again the energy from the ether, the freebie is invincible. All inspire and inspire, the oil industry will not give ... bullshit.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 12 December 2015 23: 04
        0
        First of all, speaking about broadcasting and pronouncing this term, you need to understand what you are talking about. Personally, I did not pronounce this term. If you don’t understand what a hydro-gas-dynamic flow is and you don’t know what elements water and air consist of, then you can’t talk about properties. It means that you are only embarrassed by your remarks.
    3. yuriy55
      yuriy55 12 December 2015 12: 59
      +1
      More recently, the Japanese showed an electric bike. Where did everything go ??? request
      1. kare
        kare 12 December 2015 22: 59
        -1
        Tesla is not fiction. As for the development, where did it go?

        1. gridasov
          gridasov 12 December 2015 23: 12
          +1
          Do you know that TESLO bifilar coils in the base can be nine types. BUT!!! Tesla sought to create a coil that he never created. This is an induction coil without the effects of self-induction. And it is calculated and modeled just now. And you know that the number of basic elements will include even new devices that can form not only the longitudinal vector of the EMF, but also the moment of rotation of the spin of the magnetic force flux.
  5. ydjin
    ydjin 12 December 2015 11: 20
    +2
    I myself would buy a turbo generator, such a micro, at 1,5 kilowatts! I wonder if there are such !? And then in our weather light often disappears, Sakhalin is often subjected to the blows of typhoons and cyclones! laughing
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 12 December 2015 14: 22
      +1
      Why don’t you want a diesel engine with Honda or Yamaha engines? You don’t have such low temperatures as we have on the mainland. If you look correctly, then the Chinese at the dachas worked for 4-5 season and are still alive. I wrote about the failures -45C temperatures when the diesel fuel freezes.
  6. gridasov
    gridasov 12 December 2015 11: 36
    +3
    Improvement of turbines and current generators in the direction in which it goes is completely hopeless! Chelyabinsk citizens copy CFPSTOUN, which itself is at an impasse.
    Participation in competitions of innovative ideas does not bring results, so that at least someone would pay attention. But we ourselves do not show the layout, because we understand the meaning and see that a radical change will follow in turbine construction. Only solving a whole range of issues and understanding what is happening on the disk of rotation allows us to model how the blades should be located and what physical processes and in which algorithms should be built in the future, from a clean face. In other words, without theoretical justification, a new turbine cannot be built arbitrarily, nor can it be calculated. Therefore, we very often talk about new methods of calculating systems that combine a complex of conjugate physical processes.
    We are less likely to participate in the forum and try to no longer participate in discussions. Therefore, in the end, we will announce the idea of ​​developing a unipolar motor with a divided rotor. This means that we use one part of the rotor as an element of the MOTOR process, which consumes email. energy, and the second part of the rotor works as a GENERATOR. The design of such a combined process is possible because the stator is represented by an integral closed loop in which the corresponding magnetic flux vectors are formed.
    Best wishes to all. New Years is soon.
  7. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 12 December 2015 11: 45
    +4
    Alexey Ramm for the article - offset! It was interesting to read. My p / station had 3-x redundancy in power. Batteries (30 min. Of operation), petrol unit (AB4Т-230-M1, 8 of work) and by car (UAZ-452, through the power take-off) a GSR generator. Rescued, and more than once. The main thing to monitor all this economy.
    1. Zuborez
      Zuborez 12 December 2015 19: 10
      +2
      If the "shishigi" engine could be started from the petrol unit, it would be very good. And with expired batteries, at least recharge, they started from a curved / rigid coupling, well, they rolled down the hill well. But they could provide communication.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 4 January 2016 13: 37
        0
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  8. python2a
    python2a 12 December 2015 14: 45
    +2
    The declension of the word diesel in the plural of diesel, not diesel.
  9. TOR2
    TOR2 12 December 2015 15: 40
    +2
    Until recently, the American company CAPstone, which produces a wide range of such products, was the leading developer and manufacturer of gas turbine power units in the world. But now she has a worthy competitor in the face of the Chelyabinsk special design bureau Turbina, which created the MGTU-100 micro gas turbine unit with an 100 kilowatt capacity and running on natural fuel.

    For successful competition, our companies need to more actively develop civilian markets. Dual-use technologies tend to be profitable.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 12 December 2015 19: 22
      +1
      First of all, one must accurately assess what is truth and what is falsehood. Chelyabinsk designers not only did not improve. and worsened the performance of the microturbine. They cannot even be competitors, since the impeller is significantly different from the blade turbine, because the capston impeller is a product of the improvement of the blade turbine, and not vice versa. If someone does not understand what the difference is. Therefore, we can talk about justified flaws in the theoretical foundations of the turbine of the Americans, and among Chelyabinsk residents in general .... It is especially interesting to read that everything was created at the "highest scientific level." It's just that there is a manufacturer's monopoly and "I can't praise myself."
  10. Earnest
    Earnest 12 December 2015 22: 31
    +3
    Turbines for power supply are, of course, good. But who hung the boxes for spare parts between the bridges of the Iskander cars at a level below the frame? What about the fuel tank? Is the ramp angle no longer a cross-country characteristic for us? And who designed the front overhang of the same Iskander, asked the opinion of the old ensigns-mechanics about him? This is not a "Topol" strategists, but an operational-tactical complex, as it were, and should wander around the rocky fields. This year I have been in two brigades and at the training ground - I hear the same words from the officers of different units, mostly with the letter "X". The abundance of generators in the division brings me almost to ecstasy repeat But how to evaluate the crap instead of the frame, which under the coincidence of circumstances can be brought to such a bend that in the interval between the "cabin" and the "body" (conventionally I call it, see the "gap" behind the front axle in the photo) how is the cable harness cut with scissors? This, I repeat, in different parts of the people the same shortcomings shine, which means they are systemic.
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 16 December 2015 07: 47
    0
    Accumulate X and fix during the upgrade ...