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Burn with fire, Turkish gasoline tank truck

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West is not going to shed blood for rest in Antalya


The death of the Russian Su-24 bomber in Syria was, objectively speaking, inevitable. This means, of course, not a specific aircraft, but an incident of this kind in general.

The fact is that Russia, having begun to fight in Syria, stepped on the interests of too many countries. First of all, these are the creators and “general sponsors” of the “Islamic Caliphate” (or “Islamic State”) banned in Russia - Turkey and Qatar. Of course, in words they too are “fighting terrorism”, but their true role in the Syrian conflict is not even a secret to Polichinel’s secret (Saudi Arabia, of course, is also not entirely aloof, but it still supports its old generation more - Al -Kaidu "and its derivatives, which for the" caliphate "competitors, not allies). The joint business of Ankara and the “caliphate” is no longer a secret: Turkey buys oil from it at dumping prices both for the domestic market and for re-export at world prices. After the Russian planes began to purposefully shoot fuel trucks, Turkey simply could not respond. The answer was the destruction of the Su-24. Ankara is also probably seriously afraid that the French president will be able to achieve the creation of an anti-Caliph coalition, and with the participation of Russia, which is completely unacceptable for Turkey. Finally, not least (and even first) Erdogan was enraged by the fact that Moscow had broken his ambitious geopolitical plans, among which the overthrow of Assad was in the first place: Ankara had already made great efforts for this and spent considerable resources, which, although would partially planned to "repel" by Caliphat oil.

The circumstances of the incident leave no doubt that the plane was shot down intentionally and purposefully, and this operation was carefully planned. Even if you completely believe the Turkish version of events and ignore the Russian one, the bomber was in foreign airspace for less than a minute. During this time, the Turks would not have time to raise fighters, that is, the machines were raised in advance to organize an air ambush. Su-24 did not go deep into the airspace of Turkey, which could really be regarded as a threat, but parallel to the border, cutting off its overhang. Thus, only by entering its airspace (if it really was), he immediately left it, knowingly not carrying any, not even a local threat. Moreover, he was in Turkish airspace (again, based on the Ankara version) so shortly that F-16 launched an attack on the Su-24 when our bomber was still over Syria, and completed when it was already over Syria that is, the actions are absolutely illegal. During the period after the end of the Second World War, there were thousands of such “cutting protrusions” and “strikeings along the border” on all continents, but no one even knocked down formal violators even at the height of the Cold War. A pattern of behavior was demonstrated these days by Israel, in whose airspace the Russian Su-34 flew for a few seconds. The Jews stated that the plane obviously did not carry any threat to their country, so there was no need to shoot it down.

It is also clear that the Turkish pilot did not just warn the Russian people about anything, but did not turn on the onboard radar, because in any of these cases (either hearing a warning or registering the enemy’s radar itself), the Russian aircraft would immediately turn south (obviously with a decline) to get away from the attack. Therefore, the F-16 went into the rear hemisphere of the Su-24 for visual visibility to launch a rocket from the IK GOS and, therefore, knew perfectly well that it was Russian airplanes in front of it. The described scenario is the only possible, we repeat, even if we proceed from the Turkish version of the trajectories of the aircraft participating in the incident.

Burn with fire, Turkish gasoline tank truckAccordingly, there is no talk of any “protecting the sovereignty of Turkey”; there is a planned action to destroy the Russian bomber. Ankara herself admitted this because no other conclusions could be drawn from her own version. In the year before, and even in the last century, for Russia this would be perfectly legal casus belli.

The reaction of the Russian leadership to what happened is somewhat surprising: it seems that it did not really expect such a step from Ankara. With that, she was well aware of the aforementioned open secret secrets. One could not but know that on all fundamental geopolitical issues (not only Syria, but also Crimea, the situation in the South Caucasus), Ankara’s position not only does not coincide with Moscow’s position, but directly opposes it, and Turkey’s complicated geopolitical game of creating a new Ottoman empire goes against the interests of Russia. Apparently, in the Kremlin they seriously believed that gas pipes, tourism, and some anti-Western Erdogan frond make us partners and almost allies. Because of such an amazing blindness of the political leadership of the country, the command of the Russian group in Syria made a gross mistake: it was obliged to provide escort fighter planes operating near the Turkish border, especially since they are in place (4 Su-30). If this accompaniment had been, no attack from the Turks would definitely have happened.

Now Moscow is demonstrating a total “insight” about the actions of Ankara. It is expressed in a very tough form, so I really want to believe that it will not be possible to “blind” back and the game of “union” with Turkey will end at least for the foreseeable future (it is especially desirable to bury the insane Turkish Stream project). The obvious opponent is finally recognized as such. Well, better late than never. I would very much like to see a similar “insight” in relation to Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Although, probably, it is impossible to demand the impossible. It is even more naive to expect a similar “insight” about China, which just these days created a consortium with Turkey, Georgia and Azerbaijan to transport their goods to Europe bypassing Russia. It is assumed that next year Ukraine will join this four.

The question arises whether a full-scale military clash between the Russian Armed Forces and Turkey is possible. The military potential of the latter is considered in sufficient detail in the article "In a close bloc with the radicals." The Turkish army is very large, quite well trained, resistant to losses, but most of its military equipment is very outdated. The most modern models that can cause problems for the Russian Armed Forces include 72 American ATACMS tactical missiles (the MLRS for them are MLRS) and at least 100 of their own J-600T, copied from Chinese B-611, 354 German tank “Leopard-2A4”, 15 American MLRS MLRS (227 mm) and 80 T-300 “Kasyrga” (the latest Chinese WS-1, 302 mm), 240 of those same F-16 fighter-bombers (181 C, 59 D), 14 submarines of project 209 of German construction and eight German frigates MEKO2000. Also in this row, mention should be made of the Turks' Russian anti-tank systems "Competition" and "Cornet", MANPADS "Igla".

Absolutely, however, it is obvious that if Ankara decides to deliver even a limited strike on Russian troops and forces in Syria, the answer will be to the territory of Turkey itself, and a very large-scale one. Most likely in Ankara this is already realized. Therefore, the destruction of the Russian bomber actually destroys the long-standing idea of ​​Turkey to create a “liberated no-fly zone” in the north of Syria. Russia knowingly does not recognize this zone, extending to it hostilities (including against the Turkish Armed Forces, if there are any). Moreover, the deployment of a C-400 to Syria, which already allows us to create a very real no-fly zone over almost the entire territory of Syria, while a considerable part of Turkey is also within the radius of destruction. This radically changes the whole military situation. Erdogan’s statements that he would regard the destruction of Turkish aircraft over Syria as aggression against Turkey are quite astounding from the point of view of international law, but will almost certainly remain empty words.

The incident with the Russian aircraft once again underlined the absolute virtuality of the current NATO. It has already fully manifested itself in the situation with Georgia and Ukraine, but it could formally be attributed to the fact that these countries, despite their unconditional pro-Western orientation, are still not members of the alliance, and the organization does not bear legal obligations to them. Turkey is a member of NATO, while its Armed Forces are second in combat potential after the US. In recent years, Ankara has been very free with its membership in the alliance, but knocking Su-24 down, immediately remembered him and demanded protection. The answer was absolutely expected, more precisely - the only possible one: NATO expressed verbal support for Ankara and suggested that she herself should solve her problems in relations with Moscow. And the point, of course, is not that Washington and Brussels understand what was mentioned above: the Turks shot down the Su-24 intentionally and purposefully. The fact is that today the alliance is incapable of a serious war (and the war with Russia is the most serious possible). Accordingly, even if Turkey receives blows on its territory, no one will save it (the pretext will be exactly that it ran into itself).

In conclusion, I would like to say about the reaction of some Russian politicians, experts and journalists (almost exclusively liberal) to the sanctions imposed against Turkey. There were statements that these measures would hit ordinary Russian people (they would not be able to buy Turkish tomatoes and rest in Antalya using the all inclusive system) and that politics should not be mixed with economics. In this regard, it is impossible not to note: the confusion of politics with the economy was introduced into world practice a long time ago by Western countries. They (first of all, naturally, the United States) repeatedly imposed economic sanctions against various countries in order to achieve political goals (one and a half years ago, precisely such sanctions were imposed against Russia). As for tomatoes and Antalya, by buying Turkish goods and services, we are financing an army that deliberately and treacherously kills our servicemen.

Of course, one can regret our people who, after the Soviet total lack of everything, have seized upon at least something and are now very afraid of losing it, although the Soviet Union has been around for almost a quarter of a century. Still current история with anti-Turkish sanctions and reactions to them, some of the fellow citizens show the extent to which a consumer society destroys some people’s mind and soul at the same time.
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  1. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 18: 50 New
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    what is there to pour from empty to empty. Uncle Vova stopped Russia to bend under the amers. So all these "mysterious" problems began, that sex is the world against us. They are strong, bastards, but nothing, and not from such alterations were chosen.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 9 December 2015 18: 55 New
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      They started destroying fuel trucks and immediately, such a reaction .. Oil, oil and oil again ... That's the essence of this massacre in BV!
      1. cniza
        cniza 9 December 2015 19: 15 New
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        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        They started destroying fuel trucks and immediately, such a reaction .. Oil, oil and oil again ... That's the essence of this massacre in BV!


        And not only on B.V. and everywhere, a war for resources.
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 19: 28 New
          +8
          So what is far to go? On any channel about animals, everything is the same - they kill each other for their habitat and resources (food). In fact, we (people) are the same furry striped ..
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 10 December 2015 05: 55 New
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            All this, of course, is so. But why the downing of the plane continues to be called an incident. This provocation, which was prepared in advance, was prepared jointly with the special services of at least 3 countries of Turkey, the USA, and CA. Judging by the fact that the Su-24 went without cover, our GRU does not have its agents in these three countries, or simply can not cope with its duties. So you can oversleep the war.
            1. Oleko
              Oleko 11 December 2015 15: 15 New
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              Quote: Mahmut

              Mahmut
              (1)

              Yesterday, 05: 55

              ↑ ↓


              All this, of course, is so. But why the downing of the plane continues to be called an incident. This provocation, which was prepared in advance, was prepared jointly with the special services of at least 3 countries of Turkey, the USA, and CA. Judging by the fact that the Su-24 was going without cover, our GRU does not have its agents in these three countries, or simply can not cope with its duties. So you can oversleep the war

              They all have (I mean SVR and GRU) and cope with their responsibilities. There is a flight scheme SU-24 and Falcon. Syrian air defense data. It shows how the "falcon" "cut circles" in front of the border with Syria. Did not know about this in the MCC of our VKS group in Syria? I doubt it very much. It’s just that the conclusion was obvious for a long time: “Drying” was sacrificed. Cynically? Suddenly? I agree. But PU once said that "politics is a dirty business." Ours could not place the S-400 just like that, howling would be on the whole planet. And besides NATO, whose position is not worth explaining, there are still a lot of neutral countries for which both the USA and the Russian Federation are “lying” on different scales. Whose outweigh, they can go after that. And now the Dark One has strong trumps in his hands. (And Krasnodar tomatoes are tastier than Polish and Spanish, this is in the Kaliningrad region, and they are very good from the greenhouse)
              1. stas132
                stas132 12 December 2015 13: 24 New
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                Drying occasion and the possibility of "..maximum tough action ..", previously impossible. And tomatoes ... just tomatoes. Once in Russia, and bananas with pineapples were grown successfully, it all depends on the will of the state. There will be a need, they will stimulate and there will be bananas and tomatoes with other dates. At the moment, it is more important to fix the humpback on foreign territory, and to improve something inside.
            2. Oleko
              Oleko 11 December 2015 15: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: Mahmut

              Mahmut
              (1)

              Yesterday, 05: 55

              ↑ ↓


              All this, of course, is so. But why the downing of the plane continues to be called an incident. This provocation, which was prepared in advance, was prepared jointly with the special services of at least 3 countries of Turkey, the USA, and CA. Judging by the fact that the Su-24 was going without cover, our GRU does not have its agents in these three countries, or simply can not cope with its duties. So you can oversleep the war

              They all have (I mean SVR and GRU) and cope with their responsibilities. There is a flight scheme SU-24 and Falcon. Syrian air defense data. It shows how the "falcon" "cut circles" in front of the border with Syria. Did not know about this in the MCC of our VKS group in Syria? I doubt it very much. It’s just that the conclusion was obvious for a long time: “Drying” was sacrificed. Cynically? Suddenly? I agree. But PU once said that "politics is a dirty business." Ours could not place the S-400 just like that, howling would be on the whole planet. And besides NATO, whose position is not worth explaining, there are still a lot of neutral countries for which both the USA and the Russian Federation are “lying” on different scales. Whose outweigh, they can go after that. And now the Dark One has strong trumps in his hands. (And Krasnodar tomatoes are tastier than Polish and Spanish, this is in the Kaliningrad region, and they are very good from the greenhouse)
          2. Military Builder
            Military Builder 10 December 2015 06: 37 New
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            people are much worse than the "shaggy striped", animals kill exactly as much as they need to survive and procreate, and people "consumer society" - we have - few, many have - we need even more, in general, the person on the Earth’s body is the most important parasite .
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        3. tol100v
          tol100v 9 December 2015 19: 48 New
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          Quote: cniza
          , war for resources.

          And Russia in this war is arrogant to the Saxons like a bone in the throat!
        4. Lukich
          Lukich 9 December 2015 20: 21 New
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          Quote: cniza
          And not only on B.V. and everywhere, a war for resources.

          as they say, if they find oil in Antarctica, then right there the sashis will see the penguins' lack of democracy and troops will be sent there
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 20: 23 New
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            But Baikonur was like belay Where have you been to Baikonur?
            1. cap
              cap 10 December 2015 02: 09 New
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              But where is the truth?
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        5. OlegLex
          OlegLex 10 December 2015 11: 10 New
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          we are on the verge of a third world war, or maybe it has already begun, the Turks have almost annexed a piece from Iraq. Yes, and in Syria entrenched. And then NATO for Turkey is just a cover at this stage, they (Turks) are now desperately maneuvering under the carpet floor to eat fish and not to sit on a banana. Moreover, they sincerely believe that they are returning their territories to themselves and do not understand why we, taking the Crimea, populated by our fellow citizens, do not stand by their side.
          1. Ria
            Ria 10 December 2015 14: 47 New
            +1
            This is Turkey for NATO, just a cover in order to bend Russia or drag it into a real war.
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      3. sherp2015
        sherp2015 9 December 2015 22: 05 New
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        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        They started destroying fuel trucks and immediately, such a reaction .. Oil, oil and oil again ... That's the essence of this massacre in BV!


        Continue to destroy the left oil without stopping! Together with extremists ...
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      5. atalef
        atalef 10 December 2015 11: 40 New
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        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        They started destroying fuel trucks and immediately, such a reaction .. Oil, oil and oil again ... That's the essence of this massacre in BV!

        I actually have a few questions. so to speak, look at it from the other side.
        1. On the issue of supplies of ISIS oil and its quantity - as we all see the loss of ISIS oil did not affect the price of oil in the world.
        those. the argument about the drop in oil prices due to ISIS oil was at least not serious
        2. Why the States and the coalition did not bomb the oil fields - it’s kind of understandable (well, like they created them)
        3. Question. why didn’t Assad bomb them (for 4 years)?
        4. Why weren’t they bombed by the aerospace forces for 50 days?
        1. pesny2006
          pesny2006 10 December 2015 12: 30 New
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          But really, why? Most likely due to an attempt to continue "friendly relations" with Turkey. It seems to me. This is the most acceptable version.
        2. Pomeranian
          Pomeranian 11 December 2015 10: 02 New
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          ISIS did not fight with Assad. The so-called "opposition" brought more problems. Yes, and the Russian Air Force ISIS was not bombed until the stoned camel-savers did not blow up the wrong plane by mistake ..
        3. cheap trick
          cheap trick 11 December 2015 22: 06 New
          +1
          the Assad did not bomb because Putin did not give the go-ahead. The All-Union Military Union didn’t touch it until the Turks found out. Oil fell from the supply of our Saudi mongrel.
        4. Kunar
          Kunar 12 December 2015 06: 12 New
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          Right !!! This is all a lie !!!! Here are the American evidence, such as horseradish challenge laughing
      6. Ria
        Ria 10 December 2015 14: 41 New
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        Unfortunately, the reason for the attack was not just oil. The action was prepared clearly in advance and obviously agreed with the United States. The goal was, in my opinion, the intention to create a precedent for the NATO member’s unpunished attack on Russia. We knew that Russia would not start a world war and thus NATO's crime will go unpunished. It’s possible to continue this tactic. Hence the West’s inarticulate reaction to this situation. Now it’s quite possible to have an inspired “attack” of Russia on the same Lithuania or Estonia, which, like Georgia at the time, will give out their provocation against Russia under the wing of NATO, for Russian aggression . And then, when NATO needs it, a casus belli will arise. They will put us in a situation either to silently wipe ourselves out or to assume the responsibility of a military conflict with NATO.
      7. Postscriptum
        Postscriptum 12 December 2015 18: 43 New
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        let disagree with your point of view. The war is not for resources (they are easier to buy in one way or another), but for the right to domination, for the right to “determine the rules for the rest,” for the right to consume the planet’s GDP almost unlimitedly. Actually, this is the true cause of any world war.
    2. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 9 December 2015 18: 58 New
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      "The current history of anti-Turkish sanctions and the reaction of some fellow citizens to them shows the extent to which a consumer society destroys in some people both mind and soul"

      Is this about our government? Erdogan threw a personal challenge both to Russia and Putin, and Messrs. Medvedev, Shuvalov and Ulyukaev will not dare to do anything further than a tomato.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 19: 07 New
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        And do not dare. Turkish business is very strong in Russia. And most importantly, big business, spun in the construction. Tomatoes are pah, pennies.
        1. Siberian
          Siberian 9 December 2015 20: 15 New
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          Probably not in Russia, but in Moscow. We have no dominance of Turkish firms.
          All my life I lived without fresh tomatoes and cucumbers all winter (therefore, they came up with salt, pickle and preserve them) and not a single case of death or loss of health from a shortage of tomatoes happened in the winter over the past half century (I don’t know before, maybe it’s It was). Some kind of silly screech. Well, there will be no Turkish (and anyone else's tomatoes. So what?
          In fact, even Sobchak did not die (and did not even go anywhere) without the freshest shrimp, lobsters, octopuses and other marine reptiles and parmesans.
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          3. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 20: 34 New
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            I am from St. Petersburg. What you called "fresh" - and we do not observe, although it seems to be a "second capital". Rubber trash without taste or smell. After Krasnodar (you cut it, darling, and it already glitters, sparkles -and with salt, with its salt) -ah, saliva drips on the clave))
            1. UREC
              UREC 9 December 2015 21: 40 New
              +3
              I grow my own in my own land. Purchased, even if the "Krasnodar" smoke far away! All greenhouse vegetables are now hydroponic. The taste is appropriate - water with water!
          4. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 9 December 2015 21: 32 New
            +4
            Even a pick-up mongrel, someone even feeds .... And there she is, who needs a terrible horse? And here is business, you know, loot .... In this situation, the government’s statement is enraged, saying that prices for vegetables and fruits will not rise ... Just like that! Give our retailers only a miserable excuse — fifty percent will immediately be blown up ... And there will be nothing to them, slobber sitting in the Kremlin and in the White House ....
            Quote: Siberian
            Probably not in Russia, but in Moscow. We have no dominance of Turkish firms.
            All my life I lived without fresh tomatoes and cucumbers all winter (therefore, they came up with salt, pickle and preserve them) and not a single case of death or loss of health from a shortage of tomatoes happened in the winter over the past half century (I don’t know before, maybe it’s It was). Some kind of silly screech. Well, there will be no Turkish (and anyone else's tomatoes. So what?
            In fact, even Sobchak did not die (and did not even go anywhere) without the freshest shrimp, lobsters, octopuses and other marine reptiles and parmesans.
        2. Siberian
          Siberian 9 December 2015 20: 15 New
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          Probably not in Russia, but in Moscow. We have no dominance of Turkish firms.
          All my life I lived without fresh tomatoes and cucumbers all winter (therefore, they came up with salt, pickle and preserve them) and not a single case of death or loss of health from a shortage of tomatoes happened in the winter over the past half century (I don’t know before, maybe it’s It was). Some kind of silly screech. Well, there will be no Turkish (and anyone else's tomatoes. So what?
          In fact, even Sobchak did not die (and did not even go anywhere) without the freshest shrimp, lobsters, octopuses and other marine reptiles and parmesans.
        3. your1970
          your1970 9 December 2015 20: 16 New
          -1
          Ie the first part about the cessation of work of Turkish construction companies, you have not read ???
        4. Lukich
          Lukich 9 December 2015 20: 32 New
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          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Turkish business is very strong in Russia. And most importantly, big business, spun in the construction.

          almost all objects for the 2018 World Cup XNUMX are built by the Turks
          1. MGD
            MGD 11 December 2015 17: 38 New
            +1
            Now the Chinese will build with the Koreans :-)
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      3. UREC
        UREC 9 December 2015 21: 35 New
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        Really clung to these tomatoes, which already had to be banned because they have only appearance from tomatoes, and to taste ...... and you can’t get the word out!
        1. Koshak
          Koshak 9 December 2015 22: 21 New
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          Quote: UREC
          Really clung to these tomatoes, which already had to be banned because they have only appearance from tomatoes, and to taste ...... and you can’t get the word out!

          Plastic they are these tomatoes. They bounce off the wall like a tennis ball and do not burst like their own.
      4. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 10 December 2015 01: 12 New
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        Quote: Stock Officer
        and Messrs. Medvedev, Shuvalov and Ulyukaev, nothing will dare to do anything further than a tomato.
        -Our liberals in the Kremlin are like a pet peeve: and uncomfortable, but this is a habit ... This is what Russia has the potential to contain a bunch of noble parasites harmful to the country and at the same time keep Europe and the USA for bells!
      5. Pomeranian
        Pomeranian 11 December 2015 10: 06 New
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        It is high time for Medvedev and the gentlemen listed with them to start working in their specialty. Wash public toilets at the Kazan station.
    3. SPLV
      SPLV 9 December 2015 19: 07 New
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      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Uncle Vova

      Hello, that "Military Review" is read by such knowledgeable people. I apologize, but your uncle did not say anything about further plans for Turkey? It’s just interesting to know from the source ...
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 19: 19 New
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        I will ask, then I will personally report to you.
    4. Persistent
      Persistent 9 December 2015 19: 18 New
      +8
      what is there to pour from empty to empty. Uncle Vova stopped Russia to bend under the amers. So all these "mysterious" problems began, that sex is the world against us. They are strong, bastards, but nothing, and not from such alterations were chosen.

      All Turkish fuel trucks for our pilots were “disposable lighters”. In 1941 it was much worse ... BUT WE STAND UP !!! Glory to WWII veterans !! We grandchildren will not shame you, we will continue your victories !!!
    5. Tor5
      Tor5 9 December 2015 19: 24 New
      +7
      Very reasonable and even harsh article. Well done, the Author, who was not even afraid to "ride" through our higher political forces!
      1. Persistent
        Persistent 9 December 2015 19: 31 New
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        An author who was not even afraid to "ride" on our highest political forces!

        We, as taxpayers, have every right to do this ...
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    7. KVS
      KVS 9 December 2015 20: 12 New
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      one gets the impression that they knew about the possible provocation on the part of the Turks, because there was reliable information that, having started destroying fuel trucks, they would attack the Turks, and consciously went to this, that there would be good reasons for increasing the grouping, forces and means ...
      as it does not sound rude and selfish, but within the framework of global politics (like a game of chess) small losses lead to significant advantages, just as huge losses lead to an unconditional victory ...
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 20: 38 New
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        Plus ... just today I thought about it. Why didn’t they calculate in advance? They knew that around NATO ... it’s minus us big
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    8. Things
      Things 9 December 2015 20: 20 New
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      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Uncle Vova stopped Russia to bend under the amers. So all these problems began, that half the world is against us.

      I agree - under Yeltsin there were no such problems: a drunk, half-plundered, plundered Russia with a corrupt top and a ruined army suited everyone and there were no sanctions, concerns and other Western cynical crap - just business, but not in Russia's favor ...
      Putin is certainly not an angel (and who is an angel in fact on our sinful earth ?!), but with it the military, economic and political power of Russia is being revived - hence the hysteria of the West and all kinds of provocations, sanctions, etc.
      Here the man clearly said - neither take away nor add:
      "since the 95th year, Western creatures have been mining, extracting our wealth, and they still couldn’t recapture the grandmas invested in mining, like they couldn’t, because their expenses grew and grew day by day, year by year ... And on in fact, they simply increased their salaries to lawlessness and did not refuse anything to themselves, writing down all expenses in production costs - that’s how simple it turns out! And only after Putin came, he stopped this disgrace - he squeezed out more than 250 deposits and introduced a mineral extraction tax (MET), that's just how Russia paid off with shameful loans (it’s necessary to repeat it for the hundredth time), and specialists had calculated by then that Russia should start making profit from this “extraction”
      only after 30 years! Fine?!
      That’s why Putin became a “thief” for the West, because he “stole” Russian minerals from the West! As with the Olympics: I had to buy all $ 50 paper lards
      sky "trezheris", and he, the bastard took, and built a whole city with this money - in his own country! Putin is a thief!!! Again they took away those $ 50 lards that they could spend on themselves! That’s the whole point, petunia.
      And why do you think they’re crawling towards us all the time, they all want us to have “democracy”, now
      "civil society" then "freedom of speech" arrange? Yes, we have this good, like shit after a bath, and they just need to restore their people AGAIN at high posts. Do you think oligarchs and corruption are, like, ours - native? These are TOOLS, these are LOCKPICKS, this is TROYANSKY HERD"! First, people are given the opportunity to plunder huge wealth in their own country (remember the 90s and a bunch of American "consultants" Yeltsin), and then through them they pour the country over a hill ... "

      https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2015-05-14/Bditelnij-estonec-voennosluzhashhih-NATO

      -unizhayut (one of the comments Sergey_SB)
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 20: 41 New
        +1
        taking off my hat hi
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      3. pesny2006
        pesny2006 10 December 2015 12: 36 New
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        Very well said
    9. Asadullah
      Asadullah 9 December 2015 21: 08 New
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      what is there to pour from empty to empty


      From what, from empty to empty, the main idea of ​​this article is this:

      The incident with the Russian aircraft once again emphasized the absolute virtuality of the current NATO


      But the author is wrong systemically. First mistake, NATO is not uniform in its assessment, but unanimously in its decision. That is, the decision is made by the US leadership. And the NATO leadership only affirm it. The second mistake, the war of the Russian Federation and Turkey on the territory of a third country, is the cherished dream of the entire western ruling elite. When it is not necessary to get involved in direct military operations, but with all the economic power to support Turkey. This is a universal consolidation of the West and the unconditional submission of the United States. The hope that titanic efforts for decades to contain Russia can be resolved in just a few years, with the weakening of an uncomfortable NATO partner at the same time. Today, everything is aimed at such a collision. The question is in Turkey, which sets its own conditions. Most likely this is a direct participation of NATO in the b / d.

      From that it is not necessary to so calmly clap eyelashes. From that and Russia's demonstration of its combat capabilities. Cool the Turks. As I wrote, everything is decided these days, and we will see the result after NG.
    10. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 10 December 2015 08: 09 New
      +2
      And what, let me ask you, they are strong. Germany in 1941 was also strong both in a military and economic situation, capturing the entire industry
      Europe and what everyone knew with it. Strength in spirituality and self-sacrifice, which is abundant in the Russian person and is absent in the western.
    11. ordinary
      ordinary 10 December 2015 11: 53 New
      0
      Bormental ... straight to the point! drinks
  2. Hubun
    Hubun 9 December 2015 18: 51 New
    24
    I and my family have long abandoned Roshenovsky sweets, and without Turkish mandarins and cowards too I will live
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 18: 57 New
      11
      Yesterday I saw their (Turkish) tomatoes in the store, I touched them, I smelled them, a piece of rubber in the form of a tomato. I do not know what it is, but not a tomato for sure.
      1. Askin
        Askin 9 December 2015 19: 46 New
        +4
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        Yesterday I saw their (Turkish) tomatoes in the store, I touched them, I smelled them, a piece of rubber in the form of a tomato. I do not know what it is, but not a tomato for sure.

        and before they were different?
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 20: 03 New
          -1
          I used to shop in large supermarkets, but now I moved, and in the nearest stall, what I described.
          1. Askin
            Askin 9 December 2015 20: 21 New
            -1
            Quote: Dr. Bormental
            I used to shop in large supermarkets, but now I moved, and in the nearest stall, what I described.

            and in the supermarkets were all Russian?
            1. Dr. Bormental
              Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 20: 45 New
              +2
              Yes, with the stickers "Made in USSR". Only took them.
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    3. YGV-97219
      YGV-97219 9 December 2015 19: 35 New
      +9
      I am also carrying out a boycott of Roshenov products, though I have to meet with some misunderstanding on the part of my spouse! I conduct explanatory work with politically uninvited comrades and even had to make the last Chinese warning that all Roshen products I saw immediately will be in the bin! While it seems to work!
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 9 December 2015 19: 50 New
        +1
        Cruel !!!
        1. YGV-97219
          YGV-97219 9 December 2015 19: 54 New
          +5
          In war, as in war! laughing
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 20: 21 New
        +6
        What a "soft" spouse you are ... I told you the same thing, - agreed. True, bruises and scratches still heal.
        A joke of course. In general, we have introduced a boycott in our family for a long time, from the events in Odessa.
      3. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 20: 21 New
        0
        What a "soft" spouse you are ... I told you the same thing, - agreed. True, bruises and scratches still heal.
        A joke of course. In general, we have introduced a boycott in our family for a long time, from the events in Odessa.
      4. Askin
        Askin 9 December 2015 20: 22 New
        -7
        Quote: yugv-xnumx
        I also carry out a boycott of Roshenov products, though I have to meet with some misunderstanding from my wife

        And in response to sanctions, do you use a TAZ as a car? laughing
      5. Pindermyak
        Pindermyak 9 December 2015 20: 27 New
        -2
        And the spouse did not try your production of Krupskaya factory? Import substitution in action.
    4. tol100v
      tol100v 9 December 2015 19: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Hubun
      Yes, I’ll also live cowards

      Cowards are not needed. Dressed in the old fashioned underpants! Yes, and we will not forget the footcloths!
    5. NIKNN
      NIKNN 9 December 2015 19: 57 New
      +2
      Hubun (1) SU Today, 18:51 New

      I and my family have long abandoned Roshenovsky sweets, and without Turkish mandarins and cowards too I will live


      Damn tomorrow will have to either work without panties ...... belay
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 9 December 2015 20: 19 New
        +4
        Yes, we have all zones cheap sew pants. In any manner of any material. Although, no - thongs are not released.
      2. Siberian
        Siberian 9 December 2015 20: 19 New
        +1
        Yes, we have all zones cheap sew pants. In any manner of any material. Although, no - thongs are not released.
      3. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 9 December 2015 21: 52 New
        -1
        Or without "tangerines" laughing
  3. cniza
    cniza 9 December 2015 18: 54 New
    +3
    The fact is that Russia, having begun to fight in Syria, has stepped on the interests of too many countries. First of all, these are the creators and “general sponsors” of the banned Islamic Caliphate (or “Islamic State”) in Russia - Turkey and Qatar.


    Well, there are still striped ears sticking out without hesitation, so the response time is approaching, wait and shiver.
  4. sober
    sober 9 December 2015 18: 54 New
    25
    The fact is that the alliance is incapable of a serious war (and the war with Russia is the most serious possible). Accordingly, even if Turkey receives attacks on its territory, no one will save it (the pretext will be exactly what it ran into).


    Then let them sit on the ass exactly !!! And then some already can not jump !!!
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 9 December 2015 19: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: sober
      the alliance is incapable of a serious war (and the war with Russia is the most serious possible).

      The alliance is capable of such a war, we will speak bluntly, the alliance is not ready for very serious losses. If some NATO members suffer significant losses, others may simply disappear.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 19: 24 New
        +1
        Agree hi However, in the event of an atomic war, humanity will disappear as a species, if at all, the planet will survive. Who benefits from this?
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 9 December 2015 19: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Who benefits?

          East Timor hopes to remain independent. laughing hi
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 19: 24 New
        0
        Agree hi However, in the event of an atomic war, humanity will disappear as a species, if at all, the planet will survive. Who benefits from this?
      3. tol100v
        tol100v 9 December 2015 19: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: Vladimirets
        . If some NATO members suffer significant losses, others may simply disappear.

        All mongrel SGA in the territory of which the radar and offensive weapons are located will be wiped off the face of the earth in the first place! And they stupid do not understand this! But you need to start the “erasure” with the bailiff!
  5. vglazunov
    vglazunov 9 December 2015 18: 55 New
    10
    To the Ottoman Turks every day dream of Zhirinovsky :)
  6. Rezident007
    Rezident007 9 December 2015 18: 59 New
    -1
    Here we lived before - peacefully, each, on their own land, their own ethnic group, sometimes they fought a little bit between themselves (sometimes you need to measure your strength with the identity), the cross-border zemlya passed from hand to hand .. and now the time has come - a great mixture of peoples, religions, denominations, parties, views, etc. .. And p.p.ep.ts. all the little world has come ..
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 9 December 2015 19: 15 New
      +4
      There is a joke like this: there are two planets — one normal, so beautiful, and the other ailing, unhealthy look, etc. .. Healthy asks the patient, “What happened?”. She replied to her, "Well, I’m sick, people are wound up on me." Healthy says - "don’t worry, it will pass by itself" hi
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 10 December 2015 01: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        - "don’t worry, it will pass by itself"


        Forgot the ending:
        "But if they manage to master nuclear weapons - you fall through with the temperature for several days!"
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  7. 1976AG
    1976AG 9 December 2015 18: 59 New
    0
    The behavior of Turkey is difficult to predict, so she realized whether or not the danger of a retaliatory strike will show only time.
    1. slaw14
      slaw14 9 December 2015 19: 52 New
      14
      They don’t realize anything. Already preparing posters
  8. atamankko
    atamankko 9 December 2015 18: 59 New
    0
    We’ll live without the Turkish mandarins, and they will regret their deeds a thousand more times.
  9. skaramaks27
    skaramaks27 9 December 2015 19: 00 New
    -1
    Sobering up, do you offer a whole DSB in Antalya?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 December 2015 19: 11 New
      0
      Quote: skaramaks27
      Sobering up, do you offer a whole DSB in Antalya?

      Well, why so soon. It is enough to send there to relax for a week all-inclusive paratroopers laid off in reserve. At the beginning of August. smile
    2. sober
      sober 9 December 2015 19: 12 New
      0
      Let the guys rest! After all, polite people in Crimea have already rested !!! lol
  10. V.ic
    V.ic 9 December 2015 19: 02 New
    +8
    the story of anti-Turkish sanctions and the reaction of part of fellow citizens to them shows to what extent consumer society destroys in some people both mind and soul. Author Alexander Khramchikhin

    Our person!
  11. Lanista
    Lanista 9 December 2015 19: 02 New
    0
    The most offensive is that no one can rule out Erdogan's further frenzy.
  12. propolsky
    propolsky 9 December 2015 19: 04 New
    +4
    It is necessary to bomb constantly and not to chase fuel trucks, but to destroy the deposits themselves and processing. The price of oil you watch will rise, and Syria will help to conserve resources. After the war, rebuilt.
  13. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 9 December 2015 19: 05 New
    +4
    Nevertheless, the current story of anti-Turkish sanctions and the reaction of some fellow citizens to them shows the extent to which a consumer society destroys in some people both mind and soul.
    Yeah !
    1. jjj
      jjj 9 December 2015 19: 15 New
      10
      If the majority of the inhabitants of the Byzantine Federal District, during the general vote, choose the historical name for the capital of their region - Tsargrad, then I will have no objection
      1. Throw
        Throw 9 December 2015 19: 42 New
        0
        Amendment: Constantinople area Republic of Crimea! bully
    2. slaw14
      slaw14 9 December 2015 21: 04 New
      0
      In Constantinople, the Greeks basically lived, and for the Western crusaders, the Orthodox were not brothers, more on the contrary.
      1. Throw
        Throw 9 December 2015 22: 05 New
        +1
        So the Western Crusaders we will not let the fuck there am
  14. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 9 December 2015 19: 10 New
    18
    part of fellow citizens shows the extent to which a consumer society destroys in some people both mind and soul.
    Everything is there, but the truth is that there has been less human.
  15. SPLV
    SPLV 9 December 2015 19: 11 New
    +1
    The fact is that the alliance is incapable of a serious war (and the war with Russia is the most serious possible). Accordingly, even if Turkey receives attacks on its territory, no one will save it (the pretext will be exactly what it ran into).

    And this is very reminiscent of nonsense. All provocations are made with the consent of "Uncle Sam" and under the guarantee of protection, since this is in the interests of the United States itself.
  16. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 9 December 2015 19: 11 New
    -1
    It is always necessary to perceive all political parties and their positions in this theater of action. The failure of the Russian Federation’s policy in the Donbass and the promotion of military operations by the rifle-gyrkin made Russia an outcast complete throughout the world. If Crimea could be slowed down, then an open war in the Donbass is a completely different matter and will have long-term consequences ... And the USA, Turkey, KSA, and others want to use this position of Russia. The military operations in Syria, the result of the consistent defense of B. Assad and his position in the Middle East, continue to be fraught with great expenses and casualties. But today there is no other way but victory, albeit at great cost. And the main thing should be diplomacy and the construction of a new Middle East alignment, with the participation of Iran, Shiite Iraq, the formation of Kurdistan (to take over the influence from the USA by Iranian Kurds), Egypt, - against Turkey and the KSA, the main patrons of Islamic terrorism ...
    1. 34 region
      34 region 9 December 2015 19: 38 New
      +1
      What is the failure of Russia's policy on the outskirts? We hinted at the introduction of our troops, At the second capital, Kharkov, Strelkov and other figures tried to organize resistance. Not a ride. And what is the failure if the people of Okraintsev themselves wanted such a life? Do they run a lot from the outskirts today? And where? To Europe, DNR-LNR, Russia?
    2. Things
      Things 10 December 2015 11: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      made Russia an outcast complete worldwide

      Since when is one third of the planet considered the whole world ?!
      BRICS (most of the planet by population and territory) disagrees with the "whole world" repeat
      And on the opinion of the so-called civilized world in the person of Europe, Canada, Japan, the USA, Turkey, etc. need to lay down with the appliance and smile in their faces, while continuing to slowly build up military, industrial and economic potential.
      This whole damned "civilized" world was originally (FIG knows from what time!) sleeps and sees Russia defeated, oppressed, fragmented, robbery
  17. iouris
    iouris 9 December 2015 19: 14 New
    0
    Erdogan is a rather impudent and cunning politician. Without the downing of the Su-24, the S-400, which controls the eastern Mediterranean, would hardly have been deployed, but it secured the moral support of NATO and activated support inside. Yes, and they will give money. It is unlikely that he will stop in the implementation of his plan, so he will exacerbate the situation. And the plan is to create ISIS replaced by a Kurdish-controlled quasi-state, that is, the division of Syria and Iraq. The plan is bad, but it must be implemented because it is accepted. An attack on Donetsk may begin tomorrow.
    Problem: what can be opposed to Erdogan and Biden in the absence of strong and reliable allies in the area? Superbomb only.
  18. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 December 2015 19: 16 New
    +4
    In Turkey, now anti-Russian hysteria just rolls over. They are already ready to fight for the greatness of the future Ottoman Empire. I have long believed that Mount Ararat is located on the wrong side of the border. And Turkish Kurds (namely Turkish) absolutely need to organize their own state. Well, the fact that Hagia Sophia does not go at all with minarets, and the name Istanbul does not suit Constantinople, only the lazy one does not say this. The Turks decided to seriously try Russia to "break"? And they think that NATO (think mattress) will fight with Russia for the Ottoman Empire? They are complete inadequate.
  19. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 9 December 2015 19: 18 New
    +6
    Pidorgan play out.
  20. Siberian
    Siberian 9 December 2015 19: 21 New
    +2
    The article once again confirms the long-held truth that Russia, a giant country by territory and very significant, diverse resources, among the countries surrounding us, have no real friends, but there are only partners and only for the interests of these states, entering into partnerships with us ... It's a shame of course that we regularly step on = rake = betrayal or deceit. Well, then stuffing = bumps =, Russia, as in Peter's times, still goes ahead. However, I would really like the price , which Russia pays in its forward movement, was as minimal as possible in relation to human and material resources ...
  21. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 9 December 2015 19: 29 New
    0
    Tired of the same thing.
    Tomatoes again ...
    It's time to think about how to protect yourself from the aggressor!
  22. Committee
    Committee 9 December 2015 19: 34 New
    0
    For the title of the article - the fattest plus! laughing
  23. UZBEK TASHKENT
    UZBEK TASHKENT 9 December 2015 19: 36 New
    +5
    Good idea about a consumer society! 100500 pluses to the author! We have been corrupted by pseudo democracy and a variety of choices so that society has lost the ability to consolidate. You can argue a lot about the fact that it is better to have 4 varieties of sausages in the store and zero unemployment, or hundreds of types of sausages and millions not employed. The problem is actually enormous - to re-educate those who have tasted the benefits of large uncontrolled incomes of society and finally make them pay attention to the needs of the country, which gave them the opportunity to own football clubs, and this is unfortunately not a single day issue ...
  24. jungler
    jungler 9 December 2015 19: 40 New
    +7
    "I DO NOT BELIEVE",. Stanislavsky. or according to Zhvanetsky - "You can’t love a woman .. sit next to and be friends ..." On about. Damansky, In Afghanistan, Czechoslovakia, Vietnam, apparently also need only rush words. There is a strategic loss of political will for the President of the UIP. In the East, only power is in honor. Of the 2 men, he is smarter than he who is better physically developed. You can have any weapon, but if the President is no ... then you have lost. Until there is a MILITARY retaliatory strike - all garbage. As a result of the Russian pass, a slap in the face - the Turks entered Iraq and - NATO bombed Aleppo. So the Russian Federation protects Syria or not? Dresden forgot .. ah did they miss each other? In Vietnam, we also did the same ??? Bomb the Americans further on Vietnam and we'll see and then we will complain to the UN and sanctions and impose ..... Ugh. a shame.
  25. moskowit
    moskowit 9 December 2015 19: 42 New
    -1
    "... Saudi Arabia, of course, is also not completely aloof, but it still more supports its old generation - al-Qaeda and its derivatives, which are competitors for the caliphate, not allies ..."

    Of course! The native "child" is closest. How much effort and money has been invested ...
  26. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 9 December 2015 19: 57 New
    +3
    We noticed ... how the "Old Man" has cracked off .... here he has a brain explosion, what to do, what to say .. oh, how you want on three chairs at once and so that the ass doesn’t break .... such damn friends for one place and to the museum....
  27. aba
    aba 9 December 2015 20: 09 New
    +2
    The history of Russian-Turkish relations, even when the Anglo-Saxons intervene for Turkey, is still in our favor. But right now it’s important to prevent a military conflict, since only now Russia is gaining momentum and it is necessary to implement at least military reform. And then I recall with shudder only the recent distortions in the army, like the purchase of armored vehicles abroad. But I’m very glad that the diversion against the military-industrial complex did not work!
  28. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 9 December 2015 20: 12 New
    0
    First of all, these are the creators and “general sponsors” of the “Islamic Caliphate” (or “Islamic State”) banned in Russia - Turkey and Qatar


    It is naive to believe that our leadership did not know about this situation to the last, and knowing why they did not take measures to protect aviation in Syria ?!
  29. max702
    max702 9 December 2015 20: 18 New
    +4
    In my opinion, the author is overly optimistic .. Alas, today we are only capable of inflicting unacceptable damage on Turkey .. We won’t be able to use ordinary weapons, the conflict will drag on too long, and in the West they understand this very well and hope for it .. This conflict development is completely satisfied, don’t have any illusions Turkey’s technical assistance will be provided in any amount, and the local meat will come down .. So in such a protracted conflict we can win, but this victory will be Pyrrha .. And this is not the only direction from where the adversary’s blow is possible, and whether the question is enough for us to repel other attacks. And we will have to use nuclear weapons to avoid defeat, but it will still be too late to spend too much human and material resources on the war with Turkey, and in other conflicts. So what if the use of nuclear weapons would inevitably immediately give a round to the enemy? Not taking the country to the extreme? Turkey will be enough for the destruction of the military potential of 100 warheads of 10-50 ct each. It will not particularly harm the environment, but the whole world will shock and finally they will take us seriously, and this will be a guarantee from the Third World War, we have shown determination, illusions about the West will not have impunity! And consequently they will not clutch for nuclear weapons because they will lose EVERYTHING!
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  32. air wolf
    air wolf 9 December 2015 20: 34 New
    -6
    Everything has been clear for a long time, pin-ups created the IG to pick up all the oil for themselves, the Turks are partners in this process and are glad, profiting from trading with the IG, we entered Syria so as not to lose an outpost, all the freaks didn’t like it and poisoned the chocks Turks on us.

    CONCLUSION: RUSSIA HAS NO FRIENDS!

    P.S. In the words of Peter 1 (also not entirely Russian), Russia has two friends, this is the ARMY and the Navy! soldier
    1. DOMINO100
      DOMINO100 9 December 2015 22: 29 New
      +1
      it was Alexander 3 !!!
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 10 December 2015 01: 48 New
      +1
      This is on which line Peter is not entirely Russian? fool
      And about the fact that
      Quote: DOMINO100
      it was Alexander 3 !!!

      You have already been written ...
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  33. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 9 December 2015 20: 54 New
    +4
    The author is well done, expressing himself directly and sharply on current issues.
    It's time for politicians to do the same: call a spade a spade. Of course, in some places it is necessary to round the corners, but the under-emphasis and veil have reached such an extent that you cannot see either principle or position. There is no understanding that provocations and arrogance will have to be paid. Everything is designed to ensure that the liberal integration lobby, for the sake of its financial interests, will drive the situation in the right direction.
    To defend the interests of the country, it is necessary to restore order within the country, serve the country, and not financial tycoons.
  34. Sealek
    Sealek 9 December 2015 22: 37 New
    -2
    "Everyone fancies himself a strategist" ... Grumbled "an article about nothing" - loot outbid. It would be better, instead of a sofa, put his point in the cabin of “Sushka” and managed to calculate the time of the launch of the URki, so that it would not only stupidly fill up the Turk, but also so that this piece of iron would bark in Syria. Chm @ shnaya scribble couch exPerda.
  35. ivant74ru
    ivant74ru 9 December 2015 23: 30 New
    -1
    At the expense of “total insight,” at the beginning of 2015, Putin already said that some NATO countries sponsored Daesh by buying oil.
  36. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 9 December 2015 23: 46 New
    +2
    Cowboys need a war. A war is needed, big and urgent.
    Now, based on this, then all the actions of the Americans become understandable.
    And most importantly, one of the parties should be either Russia or China.
    And ISIS is created for this purpose.
    In the big war, they are going to reformat the current situation and zero out their external debt. And by the way, they hope for the inaccessibility of their territory.
    They won’t give us peace. So we need to tune in to protracted conflicts. We shouldn’t raise the country, rebuild it. And we won’t be able to do without cleaning the government. We’re not talkers, but specialists.
  37. Radikal
    Radikal 9 December 2015 23: 47 New
    0
    Yesterday I wrote this comment on one article on VO:

    That's it, for the second week now we have been listening from everywhere, and at all levels about the “stab in the back”, although only the crew of the shot down Su-24 got it directly, but those who were higher (we will not point fingers) actually got a “spit” in face! What prevented from the very beginning, when an air group was being created, to calculate the forces and means necessary both for delivering bombing and assault strikes, and for covering them? And what did we really have there? Four Su-30s, but there was no talk of long-range air defense systems. And who decided that Turkey is our friend, ally and brother ?! We fought all our history with her, for them our Crimea, and Ishmael (also ours in the past) is one non-healing wound that is transmitted figuratively speaking with mother’s milk, on a genetic level, so to speak! And here you are right idyll. And who will be responsible for the death of our guys?
    And today A. Khramchikhin in the Military-Industrial Courier voices the same thoughts. But it happens. good
    1. cap
      cap 10 December 2015 02: 30 New
      0
      I read the second article of the author on VO per day. It looks like Gavrila from Ilf and Petrov.
      Khramchikhin Alexander Anatolyevich (born June 3, 1967) is a Russian political scientist.
      He graduated from the Physics Department of Moscow State University (1990). He did not serve in the army.
      In 1995 — 1996(native physics changed) worked in the analytical structures of the electoral headquarters of the party "Our Home - Russia" in the elections to the State Duma, then the headquarters of Boris Yeltsin in the presidential election.
      In 1995-1998 he worked in the structures of the All-Russian Union of People’s Houses (VVND) (the head was first S.A. Filatov, then S. A. Popov, one of the founders and leaders of United Russia), later - in the Moscow branch of the VVND as ordinary employee.
      In 1999, he participated in the election campaign of the Union of Right Forces and Sergey Kiriyenko in the election of deputies of the State Duma and the mayor of Moscow.
      He has been working at the Institute for Political and Military Analysis since its inception in January 1996.(since 29 years "staffer") based on the information and analytical service of the headquarters of the party "Our Home - Russia". Head of the analytical department of the institute, author and leading institute database on the political situation in the regions of Russia.
      Areas of activity - domestic policy at the federal and regional level, foreign policy, issues of military construction and the armed forces in Russia and abroad. "Wikipedia.
      As there, the classic "I do not believe." However, like all "professionals" from politics hi .
      1. Recoil
        Recoil 10 December 2015 13: 23 New
        -1
        This dude doesn't even seem to know that Turkey is a member of NATO.
        Another literary slave edrossov. 10 kopecks per line.
  38. RUS33
    RUS33 10 December 2015 00: 35 New
    +3
    Am I beguiling anything?
    I’m watching Gent Zenith (Champions League), a commentator said that Zenit will go to Qatar for training camps ....
    Did they eat ... oh?
  39. Conscience
    Conscience 10 December 2015 06: 23 New
    0
    ... if Russia draws Turkey into a war on the territory of Syria and expansively breaks its army - Ukraine itself love
    precise, weighty, vacuum, neutron strikes
    what would belay Turks
  40. guzik007
    guzik007 10 December 2015 08: 24 New
    -1
    Due to such amazing blindness of the country's political leadership, a gross mistake ...
    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
    ---
    And who said that because of blindness? This is when GDP is positioned as a political grand master? This is when he thinks five moves ahead? What if it was a sacred sacrifice, freeing the hands of the leadership in relation to Turkey?
    That such seditious thought creeps into my head.
    In war, it happens that they sacrifice battalions in order to achieve strategic objectives.
    Well, now they will ...
  41. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 10 December 2015 09: 15 New
    -1
    Unfortunately, this time, not that case.
  42. Svarog5570
    Svarog5570 10 December 2015 10: 17 New
    -1
    Scared by sanctions laughing
  43. Evil 55
    Evil 55 10 December 2015 12: 46 New
    -1
    Well, pushing the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles at the expense of Istanbul would also be a small step on the path to universal peace ...
  44. Recoil
    Recoil 10 December 2015 13: 18 New
    0
    It is quite, however, obvious that if Ankara decides to deliver even a limited blow to the Russian troops and forces in Syria, a response will follow along the territory of Turkey itself, and very large-scale. Most likely, Ankara has already realized this.


    Apart from the author, this is not obvious to anyone.
    The author seems to forget that Turkey is a member of NATO.
    Accordingly, any blow to the Turkish troops is an occasion to the Last World War.
    1. Things
      Things 10 December 2015 23: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Rollback
      Turkey is a member of NATO.
      Accordingly, the any blow to the Turkish troops is an occasion to the Last World War.

      Only if aggression is shown first by Russia, and that is not a fact.
      Someone is so sure that the Germans and the French (modestly keep silent about the other small shellups) will risk engaging in a 100% fatal war with Russia - over Turkey ?!
      And in Britons and Amers alone, the gut is thin, everyone understands that this will be a kapets to everything.
      Interestingly, it will be more important on the scales even for the frostbitten "hawks of war": a defeated member of the bloc (not the most reliable and manageable by the way) and the whole (intact) other members of NATO, or support for this member, nevertheless, but with 100% the probability that as a result of this, most of the block and the planet will simply cease to exist ?!
  45. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 10 December 2015 20: 16 New
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    Great analysis of the situation! To the author - respect.
  46. Balagan
    Balagan 11 December 2015 19: 53 New
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    Everything is clear with Turkey, but China has settled in a quiet pool ...
  47. Megatron
    Megatron 12 December 2015 09: 32 New
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    Now Moscow is demonstrating a total “insight” over the actions of Ankara.
    It is expressed very tough


    Toughly banned tomatoes? And where is the famous:

    1. Things
      Things 25 December 2015 22: 40 New
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      Quote: Megatron

      Toughly banned tomatoes?

      Hmmm ..
      1.None of the Turkish aircraft in the direction of Syria did not take off after the Russian Defense Ministry announced their intention to bring down any threats of the airborne forces in Syria
      2.Only from the loss of the tourist industry, the Turks will lose big money, which is unlikely to be repaid
      3. And due to a "random" coincidence, the Kurds sharply intensified in Turkey and now in some areas of Turkey there are real armed clashes with the Kurds (it smacks of civil war however)

      Is this not enough for a start ?!

      PS When the Syrians shot down a Turkish plane, the Turks also threatened, but could not answer at all repeat