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NI: Incirlik-based American pilots have not received an order to protect the sky of Turkey

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American pilots did not receive an order to protect the airspace of Turkey in the event of a conflict with Russia, but still may change, leads RIA News opinion of the author of an article published in the magazine National Interest.


Air base "Incirlik"

“Six US F-15C fighters (McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle), as well as six F-15E fighter-bomber fighters (McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle) have been based in Ingirlik in Turkey since November,” the publication notes.

The US Air Force "did not expect that Turkey would be hit by a Russian bomber, nor could they have foreseen a response from Russia when, shortly after the attack, the Moskva missile cruiser, armed with a powerful air defense system" Fort ", was sent to the Syrian Lattakia coast -300) ", the author writes and adds that" the awesome (complex) C-300 is a deadly threat to conventional fighters such as the F-15 and F-16. "

Moreover, Russia “has deployed an even more formidable C-400 anti-aircraft missile system in Syria, which allows it to hit targets deep in Turkey”.

"The incident with the Su-24 and the subsequent large-scale deployment of weapons by Russia on the territory of Syria turn the whole situation into chaos," a source in the Pentagon told the publication.

According to him, now Washington and Ankara are developing a certain document, according to which American aircraft "will be able to protect Turkish airspace." True, the details have yet to be negotiated.

“Rules for the use of armed force are necessary to avoid a repetition of the incident, when the Turkish military shot down a Russian bomber Su-24, which, according to reports, crossed the border for 17 seconds. Instead of escorting the plane, the Turks shot down a bomber, ”the author writes.
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 8 December 2015 18: 12
    +2
    Here Erdogan substitutes the Americans, I wonder what they will agree with such an air fleet.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 8 December 2015 18: 16
      13
      "The incident with the Su-24 and the subsequent large-scale deployment of weapons by Russia on the territory of Syria turn the whole situation into chaos," a source in the Pentagon told the publication.

      The stupid situation in Syria was agitated by just star-striped ear-hooks and now the Turks are pushing the bastards lying to us into a clash with us.
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        1. sssla
          sssla 8 December 2015 19: 39
          +1
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          It's time to remember the good old days

          I read the article right there in VO, I agree! I share a quote!
          The attack on the Su-24 has become a powerful signal for Russia: we are ready to take the risk of war in order to push you back - are you ready to fight? The painful answer is no, Russia is not ready to wage war against the whole Empire over Syria simply because it does not have the means.
          1. FiremamRescueS
            FiremamRescueS 8 December 2015 23: 17
            +2
            What nonsense ?! Russia is not yet ready for war, and GDP is well aware of this. Re-equipment and training are in full swing. There is an analogy with 39-41 years. When Stalin delayed the Second World War by all possible methods, I hope that this time we will get enough time to modernize the army.
            1. Ze Kot
              Ze Kot 9 December 2015 11: 26
              +1
              Quote: FiremamRescueS
              What nonsense ?! Russia is not yet ready for war, and GDP is well aware of this. Re-equipment and training are in full swing. There is an analogy with 39-41 years. When Stalin delayed the Second World War by all possible methods, I hope that this time we will get enough time to modernize the army.



              Any conflict with a country that is part of the NATO bloc automatically turns into a Third (Last) World War. Conventional weapons are unlikely to be used there.
      2. cniza
        cniza 8 December 2015 18: 26
        +4
        Quote: vovanpain
        "The incident with the Su-24 and the subsequent large-scale deployment of weapons by Russia on the territory of Syria turn the whole situation into chaos," a source in the Pentagon told the publication.

        The stupid situation in Syria was agitated by just star-striped ear-hooks and now the Turks are pushing the bastards lying to us into a clash with us.


        They manage to use this scenario several times, not bothering much with its changes. The insolence that they are forgiven this time will come out sideways to them, the red line is crossed and Erdogan set them up.
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      4. GSH-18
        GSH-18 8 December 2015 19: 04
        0
        American pilots based on Incirlik while did not receive orders to protect the sky of Turkey

        What it means while? Do they already agree in absentia that the S-400 will fly to their boom? fool
        Today in Syria found a "black box" of the treacherously downed Su-24. You won't be able to whistle out of THIS evidence! am
        1. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 9 December 2015 09: 16
          0
          ..... Today in Syria found a "black box" of the treacherously downed Su-24. You won't be able to whistle out of THIS evidence! am ....

          .... I think it’s awesome for them !!!! .... A parametric recorder was found (it writes the parameters of the engines, speed, altitude, etc.), as far as I know it does not fix the coordinates of the place .... hi
      5. sssla
        sssla 8 December 2015 19: 38
        +2
        Quote: vovanpain
        and now push the Turks into a clash with us

        Wake up finally !!!
        You "suck" the boot that hit you once and you are ready to break it !!
        It is necessary to tear the OWNER of a boot !!!
        Children honestly !!!
        1. Mitek
          Mitek 8 December 2015 20: 12
          +6
          Quote: sssla
          Quote: vovanpain
          and now push the Turks into a clash with us

          Wake up finally !!!
          You "suck" the boot that hit you once and you are ready to break it !!
          It is necessary to tear the OWNER of a boot !!!
          Children honestly !!!

          As children, we will be if we are divorced on the Maidan. And we ask everything we can). They expected a military response from us by analogy with Georgia. The goal is simple, to close the straits. A military conflict is likely. It is beneficial to amers and disadvantageous to us. GDP leaves him while there is an opportunity. War with a guarantee will begin in one case - it will burn out with unrest in Russia. And the ground for them is now being intensively prepared; just read the articles and comments in leading online publications.
          I have experience of war behind me. A new one will be needed. But now, having children, a family, I can only welcome the decision of my President in this matter.
    2. little girl15
      little girl15 8 December 2015 18: 37
      +7
      Nobody substitutes mattresses, they themselves create a "small" war. They want to drag Russia into a big war in the Middle East, and warm up their hands on the supply of weapons. At the same time, try to do maximum harm to Russia.
    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 8 December 2015 19: 15
      +5
      "The large-scale deployment of weapons by Russia in Syria is turning the whole situation into chaos." these guys find themselves in completely uncomfortable conditions for them. used to "work" in greenhouse conditions.
    4. Foxmara
      Foxmara 8 December 2015 19: 55
      +2
      everything is exactly the opposite, the Yankees played Erdogan. As usual, they promise or support half-hints, as they pushed Iraq into Kuwait earlier. The main war with the Russian Federation, and what will happen to Erdogan - do not care.
    5. max702
      max702 8 December 2015 20: 15
      +3
      Oho-hoh .. What a hypocrisy! They did not receive an order .. All these moans are explained in one word EARLY! That's when the Turks again pushed by Uncle Sam climb on the rampage and naturally robbed of ours, then good guys will appear on the scene! And now, it’s too early, the Russians did nothing to ensure that they could confidently accuse them of all mortal sins .. But here is the willingness to react to the face! It is not in vain that both American and English, as well as German, are gathering in Turkey and its environs, the question is about Danish, Spanish, and some other NATO military contingents with comrades, the French are also not all clear, this is natural only for the fight against Daesh! But somehow the forces and means speak differently ..
      Everything is ahead, the party has just begun to be played out ..
    6. SAXA.SHURA
      SAXA.SHURA 8 December 2015 20: 38
      +2
      These warriors forgot, like in the sky of Vietnam, strewed like peas from the sky, where our migrants gave them a goat’s face and for some reason NATO even crap crawled into us, let them try here, otherwise sitting in bars and headquarters can yell about the war with Russia .
      1. Things
        Things 12 December 2015 17: 43
        0
        Quote: SAXA.SHURA
        These warriors forgot ... NATO even then crap ... you can yell about the war with Russia.

        As long as there are those in Russia (in Russia) those in whose veins flows (and boils) the blood of the Slavs - NATO will think a hundred times about whether it is worth starting a suicidal war with Russia!

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  2. Penetrator
    Penetrator 8 December 2015 18: 13
    +3
    Twelve p. Endozoaaeroplanov undoubtedly protect the sky of Turkey!
    1. dorz
      dorz 8 December 2015 18: 17
      0
      Quote: Penetrator
      Twelve p. Endozoaaeroplanov undoubtedly protect the sky of Turkey!

      Especially when an uninhabited desert can form under this sky.
    2. kil 31
      kil 31 8 December 2015 18: 19
      0
      American pilots did not receive orders to protect Turkish airspace in the event of a conflict with Russia, but due to the rapidly changing environment, things could change
      Only one thing will change, they will collect manat, they will ask for a corridor and will be pulled from there. No other is given.
      1. larand
        larand 8 December 2015 18: 28
        10
        Quote: Kil 31
        they will collect the manat, ask for a corridor and be pulled out from there. No other is given.


        They will not "pull off" anywhere. They shit, shit and will shit while they are alive or they or we.
        1. kil 31
          kil 31 8 December 2015 18: 40
          0
          Quote: larand
          Quote: Kil 31
          they will collect the manat, ask for a corridor and be pulled out from there. No other is given.


          They will not "pull off" anywhere. They shit, shit and will shit while they are alive or they or we.

          protect Turkish airspace in the event of a conflict with Russia
          I meant this statement. If we cling, they will not help Erdogan. I put the bubble that exactly in a day they will create a government in exile from politicians and military men whom Erdogan pressed and who fled to the USA.
    3. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 8 December 2015 18: 39
      -2
      Flies on ... flocked together, sit on a heap and fly away ...
    4. AQUARIUS 65
      AQUARIUS 65 8 December 2015 18: 42
      0
      Penetrator
      Twelve p. Endozoaaeroplanov undoubtedly protect the sky of Turkey!

      I wonder from whom or more precisely from what? If from our C-400, then it is unlikely. Each air defense system is capable of firing up to 36 targets with simultaneous guidance and tracking of up to 73 missiles.
    5. Shturmovik
      Shturmovik 8 December 2015 18: 48
      0
      Well, maybe they won’t protect, but tension will create
    6. max702
      max702 8 December 2015 20: 23
      +3
      Quote: Penetrator
      Twelve p. Endozoaaeroplanov undoubtedly protect the sky of Turkey!

      Nda? And you look around .. There are tiny distances, how many US bases are nearby? Apart from Israel, we only have ONE !! There will be a need and sort of 500 planes will be allocated without straining, and this, with the support of Avax, terrestrial surveillance and guidance tools, and even from the ground, can be very puzzling to us there .. So you got excited about 12 eroplanes, Westerners ALWAYS fight with multiple superiority. With planning, everything is in order, the shot down SU-24 is a confirmation of this, from a military point of view they did everything perfectly, taking into account all factors and details ..
      1. Things
        Things 9 December 2015 11: 23
        0
        Quote: max702
        sort of 500 planes will be allocated without straining, and this with the support of Avax, terrestrial surveillance and guidance, and even from the ground can very much puzzle us there .. Westerners ALWAYS fight with multiple superiority .. Everything is in order with planning

        Although this is an incorrect comparison, in Vietnam, too, there was multiple superiority: in manpower, and in technology / weapons-on land, at sea and in the air.
        It helped them a lot ?!
        Even Generalissimo Suvorov spoke and argued that it was necessary to win not by number, but by skill.
  3. jovanni
    jovanni 8 December 2015 18: 14
    +7
    Now the Turks can become even more impudent because of the wide American back ...
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 8 December 2015 19: 12
      +1
      Quote: Jovanni
      Now the Turks can become even more impudent because of the wide American back ...

      Only until the moment of the demonstrative destruction of the Turkish F-16! Now there is a hunt, it is only a matter of time. The measures for them will not fit, they are not so brainless.
      And after the S-400 hits, there will be no one to eject from nowhere. Turks, you are still skip skopl. You stuck at the very reluctance. With which I congratulate you.
  4. izya top
    izya top 8 December 2015 18: 17
    +4
    and from whom to protect? ours do not attack, do not intrude on Turechchina request from igil?
  5. SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 8 December 2015 18: 19
    11
    Remember, the Supreme said that if you do not evade a fight, you need to beat first? Another street rule: the cormorant, who humiliates you once and is not washed by his own blood, will take your life the next time.
  6. From Samara
    From Samara 8 December 2015 18: 20
    +2
    F-15 is an excellent fighter. For a long time there were no heavenly battles with the USA ...
    1. zulus222
      zulus222 8 December 2015 18: 37
      0
      want to participate!))
      1. From Samara
        From Samara 8 December 2015 18: 57
        +1
        I’m not a pilot ... I believe that real fighter pilots dream about it!
  7. bronik
    bronik 8 December 2015 18: 23
    +1
    So where do we need to hit and on whom? What is the United States seeking? A conflict, but they themselves need it? Although the Yankees do not spare other people's lives on a foreign land.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 8 December 2015 18: 39
      +3
      Quote: bronik
      So where do we need to hit and on whom?



      There is such a place on earth where all the muck creeps around the world ... If you slam just one of it - all the rest of the mold will subside at the moment ...

      Duc ... only this unpredictable thing ... but everyone wants to live ...

      PS But in fact, only one (!!!) disgust all over the world leads to confusion ...
  8. dr.star75
    dr.star75 8 December 2015 18: 23
    +2
    Turkey is the igil. And then 4 years uneducated bearded men run around, and almost all of Syria was taken to their hands. Someone coordinates, supplies, feeds, treats them. And who is it? Some riddles ...
  9. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 8 December 2015 18: 23
    +2
    The sky of Turkey is in danger ?! Ah, the "Black Rocketman" wanders along the shores of the Bosphorus, sows the liver of the Janissaries, and his shameless hara of peace is gone ... "...
  10. Kyustenkats
    Kyustenkats 8 December 2015 18: 24
    +1
    They say that as soon as the Turks land on their planes, they are immediately informed by the aircraft system that it is under the S-400 scope. Turks are afraid to fly. What if the Americans see the same thing? Their reaction is interesting ...
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 8 December 2015 19: 30
      +1
      Quote: Kyustenkats
      They say that as soon as the Turks land on their planes, they are immediately informed by the aircraft system that it is under the S-400 scope. Turks are afraid to fly. What if the Americans see the same thing? Their reaction is interesting ...

      A bit wrong. The irradiation of the S-400 radar is seen by all equipped acc. aircraft system. And American ones as well. But when aiming at a specific target, the S-400 radar forms a narrow target illumination beam, which indicates that modern anti-aircraft weapons are aimed at the target, and there is no chance to escape from it. Seeing this, the "brave" Turkish pilots are well aware that their lives are hanging on the finger of the Russian commander of the S-400. And the amers are well aware that Turkish aircraft are just flying targets in the Russian shooting range. They know this from Viet Nam. And they will not fit in for the kamikaze, they have enough brains for this hi
  11. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 8 December 2015 18: 24
    0
    The US Air Force "did not expect that Turkey would be hit by a Russian bomber, nor could they have foreseen a response from Russia when, shortly after the attack, the Moskva missile cruiser, armed with a powerful air defense system" Fort ", was sent to the Syrian Lattakia coast -300) ", the author writes and adds that" the awesome (complex) C-300 is a deadly threat to conventional fighters such as the F-15 and F-16. "

    They lie dog tails. And they will protect the Turks, otherwise NATO will fall apart. Only for them will this be the last defense.
    1. Altona
      Altona 8 December 2015 19: 18
      0
      Quote: Good AAAH
      They lie dog tails. And they will protect the Turks, otherwise NATO will fall apart.

      --------------------
      Why should they defend the Turks? They will express "concern about the situation" in words, recognize "Turkey's right to self-defense," and that's it ... What did you want?
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 8 December 2015 19: 35
      +1
      Quote: Good AAAH
      They lie dog tails. And they will protect the Turks, otherwise NATO will fall apart. Only for them will this be the last defense.

      Rather, they will expel them from the ground. They have enough brains not to start the third world. Who are the Turks for them ?? They have not been admitted to the European Union for more than 20 years. This is ballast, consumable. The states in the region have a serious and old ally, Israel. And they will merge Turkey as soon as it smells fried.
  12. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 8 December 2015 18: 25
    +2
    I wonder who the mattresses will be harnessed for in case of an Iraqi air force strike on the Turkish tank battalion?
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 December 2015 18: 30
      +3
      Quote: Alexander 3
      I wonder who the mattresses will be harnessed for in case of an Iraqi air force strike on the Turkish tank battalion?



      There is a very likely provocation and the Turks themselves can do it.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 8 December 2015 18: 47
        +2
        and what is the point of provocation? It doesn’t matter which unidentified aircraft bomb the Turkish tank battalion in Iraq. The Turks are illegal there, it is impossible to present aggression other than NATO. For this event, NATO will not fit in because there is no defense of Turkey from aggression, but just a reflection of Turkish aggression
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 8 December 2015 19: 07
      +2
      Well, of course they will say that Putin is to blame for everything ... and ... they will hit Iran. Where there is America, there is no logic there. request
      1. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 8 December 2015 20: 12
        0
        Regarding Iran, their contingent is in Syria legally, the Iranian air force expressed a desire to participate in the liberation of Syria from the igles, and events may develop unpredictably. Russia and Iran are partners.
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 9 December 2015 02: 36
          +1
          In the light of the idiotic policy of Turkey and according to the statements of the officials of Greece, Cyprus and Iraq, we will have more partners. In general, what do you need to think so that, in addition to hostile Greece, hostile Cyprus, hostile Armenia, hostile Syria, in a month we get hostile Russia and hostile Iraq. Iran is also unfriendly to Turkey, Israel hates Erdogan, Egypt after the support of the Maidan. There is also a Kurdish factor inside, there is an organized sending of millions of refugees to Europe, "grateful" for this. In my opinion, there was someone who surpassed the Ukrainians in the matter of maximum conscious damage to their country.
          One thing is not clear, the Turks just voted for the majority of Erdo опятьan’s party again, did they really hang out in a solid ring of enemies
  13. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 8 December 2015 18: 31
    0
    Does this rabid, mustachioed cockroach seriously hope that the Nato states will subscribe to his worthless ass? Come on ... I do not believe it. In case of conflict, dirty and sweaty hands will be rubbed from the heart, yes. Most likely, a military coup will happen with the Turks in a fatal outcome; the General Staff there are not stupid there, but how many are dissatisfied among them ...
  14. awersa
    awersa 8 December 2015 18: 36
    0
    These pages will be signed - it was with their permission that this chain dog of the state depot made his choice .... and the paddling pools with foggy remnants immediately poured off a couple of three units of flyers as usual, so that later they would scream to the whole world: the Russians weren’t alone DAISHs - we bombed there too ...
  15. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 8 December 2015 18: 37
    +2
    I'm just fucking crazy wassat laughing ! With approximately 160 F-16 fighters in service, Turkey is not able to guard the borders? And I need help from another 12 American ... Or maybe the non-iron sphincter can fly at the sight of angry Russians? And what, the Americans will have a stronger point ?? It is unlikely!! laughing It's one thing to chat about the war, and another thing to fly under the sights of missiles. And knowing that now "trust" does not roll repeat
    soldier hi
  16. lopvlad
    lopvlad 8 December 2015 18: 49
    +6
    American pilots did not receive orders to protect Turkish airspace in the event of a conflict with Russia

    NATO is obliged to harness only if there is an attack on the territory of one of the countries of the alliance. The territory of Iraq and Syria does not belong to Turkey (this is recorded in a document that lies with the UN).
    So if someone starts to bring down Turkish planes over foreign airspace, the United States is not obliged to harness it, as in the case of an attack on Turkish ground forces in Iraq.
    The United States loves to promise the Golden Mountains (in relation to Ukraine) and support for Erdogan (you attack and we will catch up) and do it exclusively in words without paperwork (as Russia was promised that NATO would not expand).
    It will work out well for Erdogan in Iraq or Syria, but it will not work out so the United States will always be able to tell its allies "Show the document where we pledged to participate in the attack of one of the alliance countries on the territory of another country that did not attack first?"
    Erdogan, due to his stupidity, made Turkey another pawn in American hands. And fate of any pawn is one and donates without hesitation.
  17. Shturmovik
    Shturmovik 8 December 2015 18: 52
    +1
    Well, now a submarine has been added to the "Moscow", I don't think that it is just like that.
    1. Things
      Things 9 December 2015 11: 28
      0
      Quote: Shturmovik
      Well now to "Moscow" a submarine was added, I don’t think that it is just like that .

      This uncle (and our common sense) says that obviously she was sent there not for beauty:
      "" The main tasks that our submarine will perform there is, firstly, the launching of cruise missile attacks on terrorist targets in Syria. Moreover, it will be possible to fire on the entire Syrian territory, up to Iraq. The second task that can be assigned to this submarine is the search and tracking of Turkish submarines, which are based in the area, ”the expert noted.
      At the same time, according to him, our submarine is significantly superior to the Turkish ones. “First of all, in terms of noise and detection range of objects, therefore it has a significant superiority. But its main task, as I said, will be to track Turkish submarines and push them out of the area, the actions of our missile cruiser, "- said Konstantin Sivkov."

      http://warfiles.ru/show-102359-zachem-rossiya-otpravila-podlodku-k-poberezhyu-si
      rii.html
  18. Altona
    Altona 8 December 2015 19: 16
    +2
    When I see the name of the magazine National interest, I always remember the funny Pakistani guy Dave Majumdar with his daring analytics on the topic Russia vs USA and NATO ...
  19. From Tver
    From Tver 8 December 2015 19: 28
    +1
    But what’s normal, the Turkache now decides for the Americans. wassat
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  21. m-arsenich
    m-arsenich 8 December 2015 21: 03
    0
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    American pilots did not receive orders to protect Turkish airspace in the event of a conflict with Russia, but it can still change


    Can. Through US diplomatic channels, it may be highly recommended to dump Turkey from airfields. Immediately, and taking with them their nuclear warheads.
  22. iouris
    iouris 9 December 2015 00: 23
    0
    Firstly, Turkey is NATO, and secondly, with the modern development of communications in the West, the order passes in seconds. What is the "trick"?
  23. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 9 December 2015 05: 22
    0
    S-300 with S-400 will judge! laughing
  24. Wolka
    Wolka 9 December 2015 05: 37
    0
    the debt is however present, but the debt is red by payment, everything will be ..