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Media: In the north of Syria, the flight recorder of the Russian Su-24M shot down by the Turks was found

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Information resource Anna-News publishes a video recording in which one of the media volunteers is holding a flight recorder. According to him, this is a flight recorder shot down by the Turks of a Russian front-line bomber Su-24M, discovered in the north of Syria. The representative of the information resource says that the data of the “black box” will be deciphered, which will allow to establish additional information about the striking by Turkish F-16 fighters on the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces, performing the counter-terrorism task in the sky of Syria.




Meanwhile, the world continues to respond to the actions of Turkey, which shot down a Russian plane. For example, in France, the company Ifop conducted a survey on the subject of the attitude of the French to the actions of Turkey in relation to the bomber of the Russian Aerospace Forces. More than 1,2 thousand Frenchmen aged 18 took part in the survey. 61% of respondents stated that the actions of the Turkish side cannot be justified by anything. 12% of French citizens stated that “Russia is to blame for itself”. The rest either believe that the French media provided little information in order to be able to give a definite answer, or stated that they find it difficult to answer for some other reason. The error of statistical measurements in this case was about 3,1%.
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    1. herruvim
      herruvim 8 December 2015 17: 01 New
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      Putin comes to Stalin’s grave and says: “I don’t know what to do, Joseph Vissarionovich. In Syria, problems with ISIS, the Turks shoot in the back. Stalin answers from the grave: - And you unite Syria with Turkey! - Yes, I already thought about this, but if Istanbul is made the capital, then the Syrians will be offended, and if Damascus - then the Turks. - No, not Istanbul and Damascus, but sunny Magadan!
      1. staryivoin
        staryivoin 8 December 2015 19: 03 New
        +2
        And the worse the spacious Kolyma !!!
        1. Lexa-149
          Lexa-149 9 December 2015 00: 47 New
          +1
          So this ... Magadan, as it were, the capital of the Kolyma region ... hi
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      1. cniza
        cniza 8 December 2015 17: 20 New
        +7
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        [I personally want to bring down the Ottoman and not one ... Then maybe I can calm down a bit!



        Patience, the time will come and we will see everything, for everything they will get sc ... and.
    3. vodolaz
      vodolaz 8 December 2015 17: 23 New
      +5
      That the Frenchmen raked and realized how it really is. And then all of Russia was to blame.
      1. eplewke
        eplewke 8 December 2015 17: 54 New
        +3
        The opinion of the people is very different from the opinion of the political elite. The people have no interests in the oil industry, cheap labor, interests of wealthy companies and other lobuds. Historically, the French treat us warmly, but Hollande's henpecked politics brought their dividends, the last elections just shout about it ... about the black box, even if there is 100% proof of Erdopupsik's ratness, then the West will make mine that there was nothing. And the evidence is fake. This is a fact, look at the reaction of recent Russian Defense Ministry publications on the oil business with Daesh ...
      2. Maxom75
        Maxom75 8 December 2015 18: 34 New
        +3
        See the situation: 61% believe that Turkey has no excuse, and this is the majority of ethnic French and 12% that Russia is to blame, and these are just Arabs living in France. As the civilizational split in Europe becomes noticeable.
        1. Ze Kot
          Ze Kot 9 December 2015 11: 22 New
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          Quote: Maxom75
          See the situation: 61% believe that Turkey has no excuse, and this is the majority of ethnic French and 12% that Russia is to blame, and these are just Arabs living in France. As the civilizational split in Europe becomes noticeable.



          Vanga said that irreversible changes will begin in Europe in 2016, and by 2043 there will be a Muslim caliphate wink
    4. Lelek
      Lelek 8 December 2015 17: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Sasha 19871987
      . ... Erdogan's hair on Zh.Ope turned gray from this news


      Come on, come up with another tale (he has 1001 of them in stock), and the NATs, the EUs and the United States nod their heads in approval. stop
    5. Scoun
      Scoun 8 December 2015 18: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Sasha 19871987
      Erdogan’s hair on Zh.Ope turned gray from this news)))

      Unfortunately, no ... before the Turks occupied part of Cyprus, now they are occupying part of Syria and part of Iraq, what are they supporting in vain? The appetite comes at the time of eating .. and it seems to me that the Turks will get carried away with the silent Shaitan approval of the Anglo-Saxons and they will drive into their throats everything previously captured ... both Cyprus and Iraq, and Syria and the Kurds ... but there will be something .. Turks obviously pushing for a big regional war.
      It's just not clear ... Iran will harness or not? It is very doubtful that Turkish neo-fascists will be allowed to exist for a long time. A rabid Turkish dog cannot be kept on a short / long leash. Bites.
      1. avdkrd
        avdkrd 8 December 2015 19: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Scoun
        It's just not clear ... Iran will harness or not? It is very doubtful that Turkish neo-fascists will be allowed to exist for a long time. A rabid Turkish dog cannot be kept on a short / long leash. Bites.

        I would venture to suggest that things will go in a completely different scenario. Strengthening Erdogan and Turkey is not beneficial even to the states. Even the fact that Erdogan is a thorn in the eye of Russia does not guarantee that he will not be treated the same way as Saddam. The latter was given carte blanche in Kuwait, and then it was because of him that they turned him into a political outcast. In principle, Erdogan’s function will be fulfilled from the moment the Turkish Stream project is completed, otherwise it’s not a very convenient figure for the United States or Europe. Syria has already been lost and no one will untie the third world for the sultan’s ambitions. Americans are already agreeing on a post-war arrangement of Syria - they are bargaining, which means everything has already been decided. In the end, in order to show that the allies led by the United States are indeed on the good side, it’s not a sin to spank the presumptuous dictator; Erdogan is fully suitable for the role of the main villain, he will be remembered both the occupation of Cyprus and trade with Daesh, and Iraq can serve as the trigger.
        Maybe I'm wrong - we buy popcorn and follow the news))))
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 8 December 2015 19: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: avdkrd
          I would venture to suggest that things will go in a completely different scenario. Strengthening Erdogan and Turkey is not even profitable for the state

          Yes, there is a feeling that we are doing work for the Americans, they are happy with everything and such a belief is based on information from ordinary mass media. How did 080808 or Ukraine in the same way interfere with manure, and here it’s not to say that we began to interfere with manure.
          Another comment on the topic, I don’t understand what is happening on this topic. All the news is somehow not logical. First, our plane was shot down and silence about the pilot, but he was killed, but the Turks gave us the body and even the guard of honor was given considering all the military honors . Then the plane did not crumble in the air to search for the recorder for a week, why this infa is submitted a week later, because the recorder is searched immediately after the pilot and was found immediately.
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 8 December 2015 18: 58 New
      0
      There is still no sense in this box and its decoding. The United States will continue its mantra: "Assad must quit. Erdogan is a good boy," and continue to gather a group near our borders and escalate the situation ....
    7. alone
      alone 8 December 2015 22: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Sasha 19871987
      very good ... Erdogan's hair on Zh.Ope turned gray from this news)))

      Really? Found a recorder? Strange. And where are the shots of the Su-24? I would take a picture or even better shoot it on video. The whole process. This would be proof of 1000%. And so I have very good doubts about the recorder. I’ll explain why.

      According to the Russian version, the plane was shot down one kilometer from the Turkish border and crashed 4 km from the border. One pilot was shot with impunity in the air deep behind. The second pilot was saved by a special forces group by marching to the rear of the enemy. The plane also fell to the rear. Syrian fighters. How did the recorder fall into the hands of this young man? Tell you more realistically where could the Su-24-ki recorder be? Most likely in the hands of Turkish intelligence.
  2. Tanya Ya
    Tanya Ya 8 December 2015 16: 59 New
    +1
    Found it is good. But it doesn’t matter much anymore.
    Is it only to push him in the throat with a kick to the throat !!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 8 December 2015 17: 06 New
      +5
      The black box is certainly very good that they found, but without it, the role of Turkey in supporting its terrorists is understandable.
      Meanwhile, the Syrian troops, with the support of the valiant Hezbollah, are slowly pressing bandits.
      The equipment of the troops is improving right before our eyes, which cannot yet be said about their weapons.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 8 December 2015 17: 24 New
        +6
        I’m watching a video in the database area and I don’t understand why sandbags (ground) are not masked at roadblocks, shelters. After all, white on earth is visible very far. Is it true that the fighters, even the Ishilovites, even in the South-East of Ukraine, are not aware that this lying far reflects and is easier to cover than dusted with dust?
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 8 December 2015 17: 50 New
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          Quote: Black Colonel
          Is it true that the fighters, even the Ishilovites, even in the South-East of Ukraine, are not aware that this lying far reflects and is easier to cover than dusted with dust?

          Honestly, this is also a mystery to me, although for example Hezbollah fighters make checkpoints from green bags in Syria and Lebanon, although in Syria it is quite rare that they apparently have something to transport from Lebanon except empty bags.
          By the way, if a checkpoint is made of concrete blocks, it also remains in most cases white.
    2. Teplohod
      Teplohod 8 December 2015 17: 24 New
      +3
      For me it has who and how to find, I think it is important. The territory was previously, I do not know now, controlled by the enemy. If ours worked on the territory of the enemy, more quickly than the enemy himself, then bravo. If they are bluffing, then no one will prove this until they find a real recorder. The Turks, for their part, have missed this moment, now if they find it, they will only be second.
  3. DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 8 December 2015 16: 59 New
    +6
    And what is the use of the recorders, the Americans and the Turks have already said everything as it was, there is no sense to be indignant ... All these complaints and calls to the international community show only our weakness in foreign policy ...
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    2. cniza
      cniza 8 December 2015 17: 22 New
      +6
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      And what is the use of the recorders, the Americans and the Turks have already said everything as it was, there is no sense to be indignant ... All these complaints and calls to the international community show only our weakness in foreign policy ...



      Because judgment is possible, and this thing is a dock. wink
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    4. sssla
      sssla 8 December 2015 18: 41 New
      0
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      Americans with the Turks have already said everything as it was

      Bravo))) everything was as it was)))
  4. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 8 December 2015 16: 59 New
    +2
    . The representative of the information resource says that the data of the "black box" will be decrypted, which will establish additional information about the attack by Turkish F-16 fighters on an aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which performed a counter-terrorism task in the sky of Syria.
    intellectually, they must give ours. So, in France, Ifop conducted a survey ... HA! _ Point to interview? look first, WHO DOES THE POPULATION OF FRANCE represent? -well ??? ??? - CURTAIN ...
  5. sh0o
    sh0o 8 December 2015 17: 00 New
    +3
    Now everything will surely be clear to everyone - although for a long time everything has been clear.
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 8 December 2015 17: 04 New
      +5
      Now everything will be clear to everyone


      Even if everything becomes clear. Straight clearer clear clarity will come. - THE REACTION WILL BE AS SAY. Alas sad

      For all the recent important and resonant events, this is evident. Now how will the Western brain processing machine turn on ....

      Everything is turned upside down in a month.

      The black box is not the same. Not found in Syria. Not from that plane. The man in the video is an agent of the Kremlin. The box was removed from the old decommissioned fighter, which Putin personally shot with -400 missiles, urgently, a couple of days ago ...... wassat

      Here's a snap, the upcoming news coming out, for Europeans will compose something better)))

      fill them with vinegar in their eyes ..... as they say in Washington the way it was, there is a stronghold of democracy and freedom, and Russia is the same uuuuuuuuu KeGeBe, Siberia, the gulag, they don’t want to know anything else ... request
  6. gloomy fox
    gloomy fox 8 December 2015 17: 03 New
    +3
    normal people, and so it’s clear who is right and who is to blame for this situation with a downed plane. although, as they say, you are sissing him in the eye, he is dew to you. However, this is direct evidence and a good argument. But not for the blind and deaf!
  7. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 8 December 2015 17: 04 New
    0
    Erdogan will eat his hat and pull out the last hair if this flight recorder is really the same.
    Although ... he will hatch insolent eyes and say that all this is not proof and once again he will promise to dismiss. Everything contained in the "black box" is more interesting for us, and for the rest of the adequate people living abroad.
  8. Flatter
    Flatter 8 December 2015 17: 05 New
    -2
    Someday chemists will make fuel that is dangerous only in a mixture. Airplanes burn very well.
  9. BNVSurgut
    BNVSurgut 8 December 2015 17: 05 New
    +2
    If I am not mistaken, then it will be possible to find out whether there were warnings.
    1. poquello
      poquello 8 December 2015 17: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: BNVSurgut
      If I am not mistaken, then it will be possible to find out whether there were warnings.

      were, starting from takeoff, the Turks will soon release the record for the gramophone and will include SM
  10. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 8 December 2015 17: 09 New
    +4
    Does anyone in this world still believe in such a thing as “proof” ?! Very crafty, the concept ...
  11. Kibl
    Kibl 8 December 2015 17: 10 New
    +3
    All the foreign trash has long been zombified, what mattress covers said for them is the ultimate truth! There’s at least the number one on the head of the Cheshi, the Russians themselves are to blame! DAISHovskih ghouls-cutthroats! They are so kind and good, nothing that they shot a bunch of people in Paris in San Bernander, they are children and indulge in their terrible toys!
  12. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 8 December 2015 17: 15 New
    +1
    The investigation is ongoing! Turkey will hiccup our plane for a long time and dream the pilot!
  13. avva2012
    avva2012 8 December 2015 17: 20 New
    +1
    Found in the north of Syria. It turns out, realistically, the territory was cleared of Turkoman.
    1. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 8 December 2015 22: 48 New
      0
      The Turks transported them to Iraq in their tanks so that ours would not be bombed.
  14. vobels
    vobels 8 December 2015 17: 20 New
    +2
    Another proof of guilt of the Turks will not be superfluous.
  15. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 8 December 2015 17: 20 New
    +1
    Of interest are the percentages of the French poll on the Turkish provocation. And against the backdrop of this victory in the municipal elections, candidates from a party led by Marie Le Pen. A shift in the mood of non-politicized residents of France to the right against a sober understanding of the danger of Islamic extremism
  16. Funnels
    Funnels 8 December 2015 17: 23 New
    +5
    "Russia is to blame."
    I would like to answer them: they themselves are to blame for the attacks, they told you not to flirt with ISIS, it is fraught.
    And why were the recorders looking for volunteers, and not a special group?
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 8 December 2015 21: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Funnels
      "Russia is to blame." I would like to answer them: they themselves are to blame for the attacks.


      It those 12%whose answer was completely like this:
      ] "Russia itself is to blame, may Allah punish her!"
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  17. mamont5
    mamont5 8 December 2015 17: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    Quote: Sasha 19871987
    very good ... Erdogan's hair on Zh.Ope turned gray from this news)))

    Yes, there is nothing new there ... The surviving navigator has already told everything! I personally want the Ottoman to be shot down and not one ... Then I can calm down a bit!

    There is nothing new for us. And to reinforce Russia's position in the world, a very good find.
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  18. afrikanez
    afrikanez 8 December 2015 17: 29 New
    +2
    We also showed amers how DAISH oil transports to Turkey. Everyone knows the result (at least in their eyes nass ......) It seems to me the same thing with the recorder. People who have lost everything human cannot be proved. fool
  19. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 8 December 2015 17: 30 New
    +1
    The emergency recorder records technical parameters, not the flight route. If there was a router, then the Janissaries would not get out. It is necessary to submit aerial photographs from space at the time of the defeat of the aircraft. Then it would be possible to determine the coordinates of Su-24 at the time of undermining AIM-9.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 8 December 2015 19: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: BoA KAA
      The emergency recorder records technical parameters, not the flight route. If there was a router, then the Janissaries would not get out. It is necessary to submit aerial photographs from space at the time of the defeat of the aircraft. Then it would be possible to determine the coordinates of Su-24 at the time of undermining AIM-9.

      Here are the standard parameters that are recorded in emergency registrars of civil aircraft -
       Barometric altitude (i.e. altitude).
       True height (distance from the plane to the surface along
      verticals (land, tree crowns, roofs of buildings, etc.).
       Flight speed (reading of the speed indicator in the cockpit
      lots).
       Angle of attack (at what angle to the wing plane
      air flow).
       Side overload.
       Vertical overload.
       The angle of deviation of the right elevator from the neutral.
       The angle of deviation of the left elevator from the neutral.
       Roll angle of the machine.
       Gyrocompass flight course.
       Pitch (the angle of inclination of the nose of the aircraft up or down).
       Position of the engine control handle.
       Instant engine fuel consumption.
       Engine speed.
       Position of the engine control handle.
       Instant engine fuel consumption.
       Engine speed.
       Position of the engine control handle.
       Instant engine fuel consumption.
       Engine speed.
       Pitch angular velocity (how quickly the plane lowers
      (raises) nose).
       The course of the helm.
       Pedal rejection.
       Deviation of the helm column.
       Deviation of the right aileron.
       Deviation of the left aileron.
       Deviation rudder.
       Deviation of the stabilizer.
       Flap deflection.
       Roll of the traverse control roll.
       Traverse control course heading.
       Pitch control traverse stroke.
       Cabin air pressure.
       Trimmer stroke.
       Deviation of the left aileron interceptor.
       Deviation of the right aileron interceptor.
       On-board voltage.
       Total fuel remaining.

      On the military, in addition to these, the use of weapons is recorded.

      Knowing the moment a missile hits (“scattering” of flight parameters), one can calculate the point (at the courses) where the aircraft was at that moment. And from here, with great accuracy, build a route for his movement until the moment of defeat. For each NJ is attached a "decryptor-builder" of the aircraft position at any time on the route.
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  21. Bluesman
    Bluesman 8 December 2015 17: 40 New
    -2
    how long are we going to haw all this, huh? ... "Volunteer with a black box SU" .... Well, everything - now the truth will be revealed to us ... The volunteer will decrypt ... post it (part-time blogger) .. .There, along the way, there are also details of the Kennedy assassination, I think ... Journalists rule ...
  22. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 8 December 2015 17: 49 New
    +1
    And here I am another extremely interesting ...
    Let’s suppose that tomorrow the Turks will throw off Erdogash and hang him like a hacky dog ​​... And what? Are we going to be friends with them again?
    I remember Putin saying that as long as Saakashvili is in power in Georgia, there will be no relations ... Well, Mishiko was shoved off, and what? Georgia did it immediately inflame love for Russia?
    I don’t like this Putin’s habit of building foreign policy out of personal sympathies or antipathies, all the more so with such slippery worms.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 8 December 2015 18: 29 New
      +3
      Well, then the president is building a policy out of considerations of the course of another state, in which the president and the government set the course, forgive the pun, but you didn’t blurt out the topic at all, what have personal sympathies to do? we’ll have all the compensations, they will buy gas from us for $ 1000 per cubic meter, and in general, they’ll stupidly become the Turkish province of Russia, for example, do we care for them anyway? And about Mishiko, Putin said so thinking that the country's course would turn, but if you don’t know, we don’t have anything to do with Georgia now, because their course has not changed much! I still can’t understand, how do you get the opinion that Putin is only interested in personal ambitions .. request ?
      1. alone
        alone 8 December 2015 22: 27 New
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        Quote: igorka357
        Well, then the president is building a policy out of considerations of the course of another state,

        The course should be built out of considerations of its own course, and not justify and act on the course of others. When I wrote that, with a weak domestic policy, a strong foreign policy is impossible, many minus. Well, let it be. But nothing changes from that.
    2. Bluesman
      Bluesman 8 December 2015 18: 38 New
      -1
      Quote: Barkhan
      I don't like this Putin habit

      do not catch the Guarantor in a word - thankless task)
      Quote: Barkhan
      throw off the Turks Erdogash and hang

      hardly) even more so -
      Quote: Barkhan
      like a hounding dog.

      do not hang. Those wishing to gain (or gain?) The glory of the Ports will be in favor for a long time to come. The generals transplanted and fired. Does the army want to fight? No problem - the shaft of enemies) And plus one more. Early, I think, put an end to Erdie. Actually, the method of picking up imaginary threats for oneself and building one’s creed (for the plebs) and politics on this is not new. Even PSP and the company have been actively exploiting it for a year - and?
  23. WAP Master
    WAP Master 8 December 2015 17: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: herruvim
    Putin comes to Stalin’s grave and says: “I don’t know what to do, Joseph Vissarionovich. In Syria, problems with ISIS, the Turks shoot in the back. Stalin answers from the grave: - And you unite Syria with Turkey! - Yes, I already thought about this, but if Istanbul is made the capital, then the Syrians will be offended, and if Damascus - then the Turks. - No, not Istanbul and Damascus, but sunny Magadan!

    If you tell a joke, let’s do it completely ...
    Farther:
    -So let's make Washington the capital and put the black man there. He will do everything for us.
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  25. igorka357
    igorka357 8 December 2015 18: 21 New
    +1
    I don’t understand what to figure out and decipher, our recorder is a navigator .. he already told everyone who needs it, and who knows what it is!
  26. bumbarash
    bumbarash 8 December 2015 18: 27 New
    +1
    I hope this is another nail in the lid of Erdogan’s coffin. Give the Kurds independence!
  27. theadenter
    theadenter 8 December 2015 18: 40 New
    +1
    On the black box, you can find out information about the radio conversations? Have the Turks warned us to stick this evidence to the west in the face? Can I see the route of the plane there?
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    2. iouris
      iouris 8 December 2015 20: 39 New
      0
      The pilot is a soldier.
    3. theadenter
      theadenter 8 December 2015 22: 03 New
      0
      Turkey itself now gets into a real ass. It does not matter that the world is silent about her actions. There are those who in Europe endure gritting their teeth.
    4. alone
      alone 8 December 2015 22: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Nikotin13
      I think a worthy answer for the downed Su-24 elimination of Perdogan and the F-16 pilot, preferably publicly

      Are you going to personally eliminate the pilot and Erdogan from Argentina?

      P.S. is tired of reading stupid things. There are more and more lay people and non-professionals on the site.
      1. Nikotin13
        Nikotin13 9 December 2015 01: 40 New
        +1
        what do you care where I live? this is just my opinion
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  30. iouris
    iouris 8 December 2015 21: 16 New
    +1
    Coordinates "Tester" does not write the coordinates of the location. However, according to the data of trajectory measurements (V, H, Heading), it is possible to construct an estimate of the trajectory of movement "tail back". Errors, of course, will increase over time. There is data from the radar that control airspace. Just the point. Violated for 17 seconds or not violated, it was impossible to shoot down the plane. If the downing of the Su-24 is an excess of the performer, then the customer is the United States. Having shot down a military aircraft of a nuclear power, a permanent member of the UN Security Council, and so on. and so on, Turkey committed an act of war approved by the "Nobel laureate" Husseinich (maybe he is also an "Islamist"?). Thus, the United States (and NATO) are trying to show that Russia is not a great, but a regional power, ISIS stands for Erdogan - the son of a bitch of Huseynich, and international treaties and all kinds of harmonization and oral behind-the-scenes “agreements” on the sidelines of nichrome are no longer in place. But since a nuclear war has not begun, at least for some time the war will be “hybrid,” that is, total. In the short term, snow will not fall, the harvest will fail in summer, oil will continue to fall in price, taxes will rise, Poroshenko will receive money, activate cannon fodder, and he will be given the “fas” command. At the same time, there is a target disparity: our leadership chose Turkey as the adversary in this war, and the US as us. In general, somehow. This is an optimistic tragedy.
  31. Love
    Love 8 December 2015 21: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    I personally want to bring down the Ottoman and not one ... Then maybe I’ll calm down a bit!

  32. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 9 December 2015 04: 34 New
    0
    The Turks still don’t understand what they’ve done !!! "Tips" overseas African Americans do not lead to anything good !!!