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Scheduled flights on Tu-134Sh and An-26Sh in the 604 Aviation Aviation Regiment

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At the moment, scheduled flights are taking place in the 604 Aviation Training Regiment (UAP) on Tu-134Sh and An-26Sh aircraft.


To date, the 604th UAP remains the only one aviation part in Russia, engaged in the practical training of navigating cadets, who, after graduating from college, serve in all structures of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

























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  1. zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 10 December 2015 07: 01
    -2
    If only they would not transfer practice only to theory, otherwise the only one will be the last.
  2. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 10 December 2015 07: 06
    0
    The 605th time to restore and base there, on Radushny. Su-24, Su-34, Tu-22-something like that.
    And then such an airfield and for turntables !?
  3. 31rus
    31rus 10 December 2015 07: 24
    0
    Dear, somewhat unexpectedly, the Tu-134 and An-26, is not weak for the training center? As I thought there should be a newer equipment in terms of equipment, for civil aviation, maybe the very thing that is needed, but for the military, like surprised, it is clear that the navigator can be trained on these types
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 10 December 2015 08: 17
      +5
      The Tu-134sh is a real bomber, it differs from the civilian version. The initial training of the navigator takes place according to the textbooks of the 30s of the last century, and this is literate training. In practice, at first they teach the simplest exercises, gradually the tasks become more complicated.
      Without this, you cannot become a competent navigator, and fly on modern machines.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 10 December 2015 10: 46
        +4
        Quote: bober1982
        Tu-134ш is a real bomber, it differs from the civilian version.


        This is the Tu-16 (Shagol) prepared for him navigators on the Tu-134ш

        Inside the Tu-134ш

        And there is!
        A fellow student served at CHVVAKUSH.
        Cool car for training navigators:
        "training desk" - many seats on board, comfortable
        the equipment corresponded to Tu-16 and Tu-22 (at the last)
        and besides, the maintenance and repair of the aircraft is much cheaper (many "classmates" flew to the GA).
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 10 December 2015 11: 06
          +1
          great photos! On Tu-16 cadets (4th year), flew in one of the training regiments in the 605th training regiment in Kamensk-Uralsky.
          Tu-134sh, as a more modern aircraft (including sighting and navigation equipment) subsequently replaced school Tu-16, Il-28, Tu-124sh
          1. ancient
            ancient 10 December 2015 11: 51
            +1
            Quote: bober1982
            Tu-134sh, as a more modern aircraft (including sighting and navigation equipment


            As I read it ... I almost fell off my chair and decided to .. "stick in" wassat

            Well, well .. what is there .. "modern" sighting and navigation .. "equipment"?

            Quote: bober1982
            ) subsequently replaced the school Tu-16, IL-28, Tu-124sh


            It was the GREATEST STUPIDITY !!!! You can't try to somehow train navigators for combat vehicles on the "school bus" ... therefore, one can only compare the COMBAT VEHICLES and the "school desk" ... either one who does not understand ... or ... a "graduate" ... formations ".
            wassat

            And the Tu-134sh drive from the mound ... this is not good ... but ... hopelessness! soldier Because everything .... "successfully reformed" crying
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 10 December 2015 12: 11
              +2
              chief consultant and expert pulled up ?!
              Dear, you are carrying complete nonsense !!! complete confusion and ignorance! The complete devastation in the head!
              1. Shagol, flew on Li-2, Tu-124sh, An-26sh, Tu-134sh
              2. Kustanay, flew on IL-28 (prepared for the FBA)
              3. disbanded the Kustanai regiment (1980), retrained on the Tu-134sh, relocated to Uprun
              4. why they dragged the mound, complete nonsense, do not hammer nonsense. Confused with Shadrinsk (108 training regiment), by the way the first of the training regiments retrained on Tu-134sh.
              5. What do you mean, before there were profiles of MPA
              Further reasoning (equipment, workplaces, RSBN meters, etc.) is a real verbal diarrhea.
              Respected!!!!!!! you just enter, behave more modestly !!! dude
              1. ancient
                ancient 10 December 2015 18: 14
                +2
                Quote: bober1982
                you just enter, behave more modestly !!! dude


                You can immediately see .... "navigator" ... justify the characterization from Peter 1 ... "the navigator is a boorish brat"? wassat
                2. Specify about Migalovsky 45th UAP .. which was relocated to Kustanay in the 70s hi That's where the Tu-16 appeared in Kustanai wink
                3. I confess confused Shadra with the mound ... I hate the political leaders, that's why I wrote .. The mound wassat
                3. What exactly was prepared purely for marine equipment and even produced in the MARINE FORM .. then I don’t know .. transferred or transferred somewhere .... this also means ... EARLIER BEEN wassat

                Well, well, well ... about "verbal diarrhea" lol ..What is it about .. in your workplaces .. "super-duper's" .. what did I not .. "noted"?
                on your R.M. in the cabin ... even there is no cop ... only signs .... maybe there are one or two control panels from the ARC ... that would be trained to determine the location of the aircraft by measuring two bearings from the station ... what else is there ? wassat
                All navigation is in the First place ... RBP is separately on the second in the tail ... but yes ... you can also try to "twist" the NBA there lol

                Well, in principle, "butting" with a person for whom the "dark forest" is such concepts as R / L images of objects of impact and AREAS of flight, sailing directions, target maps and tablets of the "target situation" in real scale RPO or RBP and "drawing cripples "and" drawing "SPP and PPPs R / L" pictures ", etc. etc. I think ... a useless waste of time wassat
                So ... be careful ... "dude" wassat
        2. ancient
          ancient 10 December 2015 11: 46
          +2
          Quote: Rus2012
          And there is!


          Not so! wink

          1. The Tu-16th UAP CHVVAKUSH was based only in Kamensk-Uralsky and Kustanai. (4th year internship YES and SA)
          2. In Shagol flew on Tu-124sh and An-26sh (and before that on Li-2 and Il-28) wink
          3.Tu-134sh were based only in Kurgan (internship of 4 students for FBA).
          Previously, there were still MRA and SBU profiles .. but where and how they trained .. I can't say for sure, because. in Bagerovo in Kerch .. "all" were Chelyabinsk and Voroshilovgrad.

          The equipment on the Tu-134sh and even then .. not everything is consistent with the Tu-16 ("Rubin-1A" radar), but the OPB was there 15th, and on the Tu-16 there was 112th.
          "Workplaces in the cabin" ... well, count .. "sleeping places", because. Acre of indicators of aneroid-membrane devices and the CWV system, well, in some places there are RSBN counters .. there .. there is no shit ... but yes .. this is .. what you have in the photo is closed with a tarpaulin curtain is .. "famous DAK-DB-5 " wassat

          Tu-22 (as you write in the "last") there is nothing and .. "did not smell" ... at the UBL-e for the Tambov ... there yes ... but here request

          The only aircraft that was almost fully equipped with NK-45 and OPB-015T ... it was ... "Khrushchev Tu-104", but it belonged to the Air Force, not the Air Force University.
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 10 December 2015 15: 21
            +2
            Quote: ancient
            Tu-22 (as you write in the "last") there is nothing and .. "did not smell" ... at the UBL-e for the Tambov ... there yes ... but here

            ... nevertheless, eyewitnesses claim that ubl CHVVAKUSH - were
            Previously, in Chelyabinsk, we often observed UBL-ki, before the closure of ChVVAKUSH - a military school in which navigators for Long-Range Aviation were trained. The landing approach against the background of the city is precisely the "flying school desk" for navigators. Shagol airfield, Chelyabinsk.


            And this "28" board with green drums is especially dear to me. In 2001, he personally participated in painting it. By the way, note that the emblem behind the cockpit differs from the one below (it is not round). The first one was drawn by the 5th year cadet CHVVAKUSH Mukhin (graduated from 2001). And the eagle there was different.

            http://periskop.livejournal.com/903071.html?thread=58492575
            EG
            Tu-134UB-L 33red CHVVAUSH

            Photo fact
            Parking FACIA, at least 3 there peeping
            https://my.mail.ru/mail/leonid.shumilov51/photo/90/794.html
            1. ancient
              ancient 10 December 2015 17: 50
              +2
              Quote: Rus2012
              . Nevertheless, eyewitnesses claim that UBL CHVVAKUSH - were


              So it was already when there was the Russian Federation, not the USSR .. then everything was possible and .... how "oceanized" and CHVVAKUSH "became" not needed!
              And what does it mean .. a cadet of the 5-th (!!!!) course? belay
              I won't talk about "now" ... "not in the know" soldier
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 10 December 2015 19: 00
                +3
                Quote: ancient
                And what does it mean .. a cadet of the 5-th (!!!!) course?


                For some time, the training of CHVVAKUSH has become 5-year-old -
                Since 1993, the school switched to a new program that provides for five-year training of cadets.


                and they restored him -
                23:50 05/09/2015
                Today, on 5 of September, first-year cadets of the Chelyabinsk Higher Military Aviation Red Banner School of Navigators took the military oath. Almost 500 freshmen took the solemn oath before the officers.
                Young military personnel will be trained at the school in two specialties: navigator and combat control officer. Cadets from 20 subjects of the Russian Federation came to Chelyabinsk to understand all the intricacies of military affairs.
                In the 2016 year, CHVVAKUSH will celebrate the 80th anniversary. It should be noted that the recruitment of cadets at the school has been going on from the day it was founded - October 1 1936.


                Everything is back to square one. And it pleases!
                1. ancient
                  ancient 10 December 2015 19: 04
                  +3
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  For some time, the training of CHVVAKUSH has become 5-year-old -


                  Oh how recourse Honestly .. I didn’t know ..... I didn’t "come across" graduates with a 5-year education " soldier
                  Well, "almost 500 people" .. it's like in the old Soviet times .. "set" drinks
    2. ancient
      ancient 10 December 2015 11: 58
      +3
      Quote: 31rus
      Dear, somewhat unexpectedly, the Tu-134 and An-26, is not weak for the training center?


      There is a homespun truth in your remark, but ... unfortunately there is nothing more! request
      If in the last century it went very and normally ... it was true that there was a problem with the FBA-shniki about su-24 ... tk. The "Initiative" was only on the Yak-28 ... and on the Su-24 ... only at school there can be a theory ... well, in principle, on the Tu-22M ... the same picture, but ... initial training in the basics of air navigation and navigation .. quite acceptable, just do not forget that before flying and navigators started from the 1st year.
      The "school" also had its own regiments on Tu-16s, but pure strategists were sent to combat regiments on Tu-95s (Mozdok, Semipalatinsk, etc.)
      And for civil aviation .. in general .. only the most basic training .. because. materiel for avionics, joint-stock companies, RTS ... on them .... "stone age" ... unfortunately recourse
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 10 December 2015 12: 37
        +1
        on the Tu-134sh there were sights both with "Initiative", especially for the Yak-28, and with "Rubins", for long-range vehicles (Tu-22)
        So the level for the 4th course (graduation) was very high, the graduation flight included bombing from a high altitude (10000m), with a radar sight, and visually from a low height, with an optical sight. The level of graduates was always high.
        Retraining (in the shelves) on more modern equipment (if you still got it) always happened relatively quickly, the teachers were good.
        1. ancient
          ancient 10 December 2015 18: 00
          +2
          Quote: bober1982
          on the Tu-134sh there were sights both with "Initiative", especially for the Yak-28, and with "Rubins", for long-range vehicles (Tu-22)


          I wrote about this above .. haven't you noticed? wink "Rubin" was only on "bombers" (Tu-22), on missile carriers PN, and on Tu-22M already PN-A.
          At the expense of the "level" I do not argue ... but .. "to brag" that with G.P. with access to B.K. from a distance of 100 km and in the quietest mode, aim with RBP and "practice" perform B / M .. do you call this .. "high level"? wink
          I am familiar with the navigators who talked about your GOS and how they were ... "carried out" wink
          "grandfathers" -commanders as a rule .. slept, because. fly along the same route for about 20 years ... you will learn to determine the next PPM by the number of "snores" lol
          On the Tu-16s .. there, in a more serious way ... the second b / m was performed with PMV (H 200 meters) and already with a "colimator", because. aim in the summer, at the bumpy through the eyepiece .. "this is fantastic."
          About retraining in UAAC PLC and BP .. no objections! soldier
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 10 December 2015 18: 44
            +1
            Have you seen the film "Afonya" directed by Danelia? famous: how are you, Afonya, you manage to do everything, fight at dances, and dive into fountains.
            I wish you all the best, I sincerely say that it would be boring without you.
            1. ancient
              ancient 10 December 2015 19: 10
              +3
              Quote: bober1982
              and how you, Afonya, have time to do everything, and fight in dances and dive into fountains.


              So military science should be learned ... "in a real way", and not .... lol

              Quote: bober1982
              I wish you all the best, I sincerely say that it would be boring without you.


              Well, it's you .. "flatter" ..... here Borisov alone is enough for "such eyes" that ... grandchildren will have enough for .. "memories" lol ... then he already "releases" the Tu-160M2, then the T-50 already .. "just about" and .. "tomorrow in the series" under ... "numerous avats and thunderous prolonged applause" from the grateful listeners of the VO site.
              Well, and the performance of the LADIES ... is in general ... Variety theater is modest ... is silent on the sidelines ... with its ... performances lol
  4. Old_Python
    Old_Python 10 December 2015 08: 33
    0
    Wow, what kind of machine in the fifth photo below? I can not identify ...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 10 December 2015 08: 40
      +1
      Tu-134UBL, training, in Tambov pilots were trained
  5. Old_Python
    Old_Python 10 December 2015 09: 42
    0
    bober1982, thank you very much!
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 10 December 2015 09: 45
      +1
      and thank you for your curiosity!
  6. pv1005
    pv1005 10 December 2015 09: 45
    +2
    Constantly flying over the house or over the garden. There is no time to work, you admire. Unfulfilled childhood dream.
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 10 December 2015 10: 18
      +2
      Quote: pv1005
      Constantly flying over the house or over the garden. There is no time to work, you admire. Unfulfilled childhood dream.

      The same garbage, countryman! smile Just above me MiG-31-e fly.
      And recently, An-22 has become more frequent - this is generally something! I have never seen this car, this year I saw it for the first time.
  7. Just BB
    Just BB 10 December 2015 17: 31
    +1
    Quote: 31rus
    Dear, somewhat unexpectedly, the Tu-134 and An-26, is not weak for the training center? As I thought there should be a newer equipment in terms of equipment, for civil aviation, maybe the very thing that is needed, but for the military, like surprised, it is clear that the navigator can be trained on these types

    To learn to read and write, you must first master the primer.
    This is still flying classes, plus one combat seat.
    Or, in your opinion, is it reasonable for one cadet, as in previous years, to drive a combat Tu-16 (or today Tu-95 or Tu-22) with a full-time crew?
    Initial skills in working with modern combat equipment can also be obtained on simulators, but navigation skills "on foot in flight" - I doubt it ...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 10 December 2015 17: 46
      0
      An-26sh is the favorite plane of all military navigators of all times and peoples, the attitude is like a beloved child. You can fly on a Su-34, Tu-160 and Tu-95ms, but this plane is special.
    2. ancient
      ancient 10 December 2015 19: 00
      0
      About .. "to master the primer" is you, dear ... wassat

      Places "combat" 2 (!!!) first and second..first with OPB, second with RBP (for Tu-124 and Tu-134 conversation).
      combat Tu-16 flew with 3 (!!) cadets .... there are two navigators 1 and 2 and pravak ... a cadet from TVVAUL and it was not just SANE, but over SANE ... but on Tu -95 in general, 6-8 cadets flew wink
      You saw at that time .. what were the simulators in schools? wink and what has it to do with .. "horse on flight"? request there they are already working on the "navigation". and the whole "ORDERING" and in "real time" ... so that in the "head the whole picture of the TBD .. deposited" soldier
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 10 December 2015 19: 29
        +1
        how did 95-6 cadets fly on a Tu-8, in the bomb bay or something?
        I say one more time, it’s boring without you, funny guy!
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 10 December 2015 22: 22
        -1
        so it’s quiet, do you count the cadets? stupid, fingers, bend your fingers
      3. Just BB
        Just BB 11 December 2015 05: 32
        0
        You saw at that time .. what were the simulators in schools? wink

        Enough for that time. Have learned the same. Others were taught something. And looking at the "jacket with pagons" in the closet, plus information by SMS at the beginning of each month - how well it turned out ...

        And with expressions you need to be careful.
  8. bober1982
    bober1982 10 December 2015 21: 58
    +2

    author of the photo: Dmitry Pichugin
  9. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 10 December 2015 23: 24
    0
    One must always bear in mind folk wisdom:
    if you want peace, get ready for war.
  10. bober1982
    bober1982 12 December 2015 18: 29
    0
    a real fighter, a hard worker, and just a beautiful plane!
  11. bober1982
    bober1982 12 December 2015 18: 32
    0
    added, you can endlessly, enough