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Turkey "if necessary" is ready to impose sanctions against Russia, but is not ready to withdraw its troops from Iraq

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Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said that “if necessary,” Turkey is ready to impose retaliatory sanctions against Russia. Speaking at a meeting of the ruling parliamentary faction, Davutoglu said (quote RIA News):
Turkey is not a country that can create problems with such methods. If we consider it necessary, we will introduce our sanctions in response, this issue was discussed at a government meeting on Monday. But we hope that the crisis with Russia will be overcome, and these measures will not have to be resorted to.



Earlier, the Turkish Prime Minister has already stated that "no one will be able to put Turkey on its knees with economic sanctions."

Turkey "if necessary" is ready to impose sanctions against Russia, but is not ready to withdraw its troops from Iraq


Today, the Turkish authorities stated that they are not going to withdraw military contingent from Iraq, despite all the demands of official Baghdad. Information about this is published in the Twitter broadcast of the TV channel RT Arabic. Recall that, according to the statement of the Prime Minister of Iraq, Haider Al-Abadi, there are about 900 Turkish troops and several dozen units of armored vehicles in the Iraqi province of Ninawa. Al-Abadi gave Ankara two days to ensure that all Turkish military left Iraqi territory, otherwise Iraq will declare to the UN Security Council about a military invasion and violation of sovereignty. It seems that the threats of official Baghdad to Ankara did not have the desired effect ...
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  1. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 8 December 2015 14: 02 New
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    I would be ready - would introduce!)))
    .. If my grandmother had ..., she would be a grandfather!
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 8 December 2015 14: 04 New
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      Turkey "if necessary" is ready to impose sanctions against Russia, but is not ready to withdraw its troops from Iraq

      Americans purr with happiness like cats They pushed their heads against%: "№% ;:
      1. knn54
        knn54 8 December 2015 14: 16 New
        +3
        -nemec55: Americans purr like cats from happiness ...
        I doubt that the "current" Iraq is an ally of the United States and the quarrels between the allies are somehow not very good.
        It is another matter for the Turks - the further collapse of Iraq and the "privatization" of the oil-bearing territories (once belonging to the Ottoman Empire) are even very much. And it would be very profitable to play off the Iraqi and Turkish Kurds.
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 8 December 2015 14: 19 New
          17
          Yes, what does Iraq have to do with us? We have a second forehead who nafig need these graters and Turkey knowing it will become impudent while Europe and America allow them to do this.
          Everyone would do a league to spoil Russia
          1. cniza
            cniza 8 December 2015 14: 32 New
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            Quote: nemec55

            Everyone would do a league to spoil Russia



            Everything is built around and for this, but they themselves, as always, are wise. The main thing is not to fuss, but to wait for the right moment.
            1. alex-s
              alex-s 8 December 2015 14: 46 New
              15
              Earlier, the Turkish Prime Minister has already stated that "no one will be able to put Turkey on its knees with economic sanctions."

              We are not just on our knees, we will put you with cancer as well!
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              2. Tatyana
                Tatyana 8 December 2015 15: 09 New
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                The Turks did not just so easily occupy troops in Iraq on the border with Syria - they proceed from the same policy as in Syria!
                In this case, Erdogan desperately needs any, as such, corridor for transporting stolen oil from Syria to Turkey. Now Erdogan (and the American coalition “against” ISIS militants) is not able to safely transport oil through Syria - due to military operations of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian Armed Forces, this has become unprofitable for personally Erdogan and Turkey. Well, Erdogan decided to lay the same corridor to the north - already on the territory of Iraq.
                Therefore, the Turks from Iraq will not voluntarily leave. They will cheat, pull the rubber, let off steam from the Iraqis - but they will never leave Iraq.
                In Iraq, Erdogan understands this policy and, using the example of Syria, knows how all this will end for Iraqis.
                1. g1v2
                  g1v2 8 December 2015 16: 56 New
                  +2
                  Iraq - under the control of the United States and partially Iran, including in the near future is not our problem. It’s easy for our planes to fly south of Mosul. But here is the fact that the Turks can force Iraq to declare war on them and under this reason the straits on legal grounds for us to close it is possible. We supplied Iraq with equipment, which means the Turks may require inspection of ships and ships to check if we are transporting Iraq equipment. Refuse - they will block the straits for us quite legally.
                  1. padded jacket
                    padded jacket 8 December 2015 17: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: g1v2
                    We supplied Iraq with equipment, which means the Turks may require inspection of ships and ships to check if we are transporting Iraq equipment. Refuse - they will block the straits for us quite legally.

                    Well, the delivery of military equipment to Iraq will not be affected if the delivery is slightly more expensive and its time grows. The Bosphorus is not the only way through which it is possible to import equipment there, for example, through the Caspian Sea and then through Iran. It is possible through the Baltic Sea and then the Suez Canal.
                    1. Foxmara
                      Foxmara 8 December 2015 20: 09 New
                      +2
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      The Bosphorus is not the only way through which you can import equipment

                      It doesn’t matter at all! It is important that there will be a formal occasion and the Turks do not fight with us, but they defend themselves. Try to attack - the Yankees will yell - the Russian aggressor. And our supply will be covered in Syria.
                      1. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 8 December 2015 20: 52 New
                        0
                        Quote: Foxmara
                        And our supply will be covered in Syria.

                        The supply of our group in Syria will not be covered, but the route for the delivery of goods there through Iran will increase.
              3. mihasik
                mihasik 8 December 2015 15: 43 New
                +4
                Quote: alex-s
                We are not just on our knees, we will put you with cancer as well!

                laughing And in the meantime in Ukraine ... "Twix! Sweet pa (l) points"!
                Yavoriv Polegon. (Lviv) Training of the Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters, American gender instructors, for the "entrance" (invasion) of the Russian aggressors! good
                1. Victor-M
                  Victor-M 8 December 2015 16: 33 New
                  +2

                  I, I, will give you a fantasy. laughing
                  1. mad
                    mad 8 December 2015 20: 07 New
                    +1
                    Kamasutra in "Maidan" style. Chapter 69 laughing
                2. trantor
                  trantor 8 December 2015 16: 51 New
                  +1
                  Quote: mihasik
                  Training of fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, gender American instructors

                  Which one is an instructor? No.
                  1. mihasik
                    mihasik 8 December 2015 18: 51 New
                    +3
                    Quote: trantor
                    Which one is an instructor?

                    I didn’t stand nearby, I don’t know, but along the way the one with the camera) Such a fetish).
                3. ILIA
                  ILIA 9 December 2015 04: 15 New
                  +1
                  Wow "grenade launcher"))
            2. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 8 December 2015 14: 52 New
              +4
              Al-Abadi gave Ankara two days to let all the Turkish military leave Iraqi territory, otherwise Iraq would declare a military invasion and violation of sovereignty in the UN Security Council.

              Well, what ceremony to breed. Two days have passed. A note of protest was handed over to the Turks.
              Further, official Baghdad has every right to ask Russia to help clean up the territory from interventionists. Say Caliber. In Iraq, with permission from Iraq. Everything is legal.

              PS
              The State Department officially commented on the invasion of Turkish troops in Iraq, and said that they (the United States) have nothing to do with this. This is their personal initiative.
              1. Ze Kot
                Ze Kot 8 December 2015 15: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: _Vladislav_
                Further, official Baghdad has every right to ask Russia to help clean up the territory from interventionists. Say Caliber. In Iraq, with permission from Iraq. Everything is legal.



                And the territory of Syria, at the request of the Syrian government, cleared of the Turks?
                1. _Vladislav_
                  _Vladislav_ 8 December 2015 15: 14 New
                  0
                  Quote: The Cat
                  And the territory of Syria, at the request of the Syrian government, cleared of the Turks?

                  was there such a request?
                  1. Ze Kot
                    Ze Kot 9 December 2015 11: 37 New
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                    Quote: _Vladislav_
                    Quote: The Cat
                    And the territory of Syria, at the request of the Syrian government, cleared of the Turks?

                    was there such a request?



                    Yes, there were some conversations ...
              2. cniza
                cniza 8 December 2015 15: 10 New
                +5
                Quote: _Vladislav_


                PS
                The State Department officially commented on the invasion of Turkish troops in Iraq, and said that they (the United States) have nothing to do with this. This is their personal initiative.



                Now, with their teeth, the Turks will cling to the sweet piece and you can only tear it out by knocking out the teeth of the Turks.
                1. _Vladislav_
                  _Vladislav_ 8 December 2015 15: 17 New
                  +6
                  Quote: cniza
                  Now, with their teeth, the Turks will cling to the sweet piece and you can only tear it out by knocking out the teeth of the Turks.

                  This is not a sweet piece - it is the sovereignty of Iraq itself. Turkey likes to talk about protecting sovereignty a lot, isn’t it.

                  And as regards the application of the CD.
                  Gauges, if anything, fired not at the Turks, but at ISIS.
                  So supposedly and so, intelligence reported ...
                  ... we regret that there, on the territory of a sovereign state, there were Turkish troops (which no one called for), but we will not apologize because we acted at the request of official Baghdad. And from the point of view of international law, they are pure as rhinestone.
                  1. Bully
                    Bully 8 December 2015 15: 25 New
                    +8
                    Quote: _Vladislav_

                    Gauges, if anything, fired not at the Turks, but at ISIS.
                    So supposedly and so, intelligence reported ...
                    ... we regret that there, on the territory of a sovereign state, there were Turkish troops (which no one called for), but we will not apologize because we acted at the request of official Baghdad. And from the point of view of international law, they are pure as rhinestone.

                    +++ The idea is fresh and very timely! We do not know about the presence of the Turks on the territory of Iraq, we only know that there is ISIS there. You need to pretend to be boots more often - the West likes to include a "fool" on every occasion!
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                      1. ydjin
                        ydjin 8 December 2015 15: 51 New
                        +3
                        Quote: _Vladislav_
                        Quote: Bully
                        You need to pretend to be boots more often - the West likes to include a "fool" on every occasion!

                        Correctly. It's like an exam - if you have nothing to say, just add water. Nassians in their ears.

                        As I recall, invite! Cheap and cheerful, drinking to 40% was world! Or was there a lot of health then? request laughing
                2. self-propelled
                  self-propelled 8 December 2015 17: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: cniza
                  Now, with their teeth, the Turks will cling to the sweet piece and you can only tear it out by knocking out the teeth of the Turks.

                  why knock out teeth? First, it’s worth slapping your ass lightly. and then we will see ...
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              4. Foxmara
                Foxmara 8 December 2015 20: 11 New
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                I’ll explain again. Turks are automatically at war. And block the straits. That is what they need. Dangerous, but real.
            3. vsoltan
              vsoltan 8 December 2015 16: 12 New
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              cniza

              It seems that this is not only a matter of Russia ... but of a potential big war that mattresses seek to unleash at any cost, and to fix their own economy ... to involve Russia is simply the most convenient and profitable .. But by and large, they don’t care ... so arrange a massacre in Africa or in Latin America ... they are important economic moment at the moment ... a lot of debts, how to fix the budget? That's right, at the expense of others ... humanity has already passed this twice ... and you are right, we are now inappropriate to fuss ...
          2. self-propelled
            self-propelled 8 December 2015 16: 38 New
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            Quote: nemec55
            Yes, what does Iraq have to do with us? We have a second forehead who nafig need these graters and Turkey knowing it will become impudent while Europe and America allow them to do this.
            Everyone would do a league to spoil Russia

            Turks will become impudent until they receive tinsel from Russia. and neither Europe nor America squeaks in response. whether Russia needs it is another matter (after all, each stick has two ends)
        2. avdkrd
          avdkrd 8 December 2015 14: 33 New
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          Quote: knn54
          -nemec55: Americans purr like cats from happiness ...
          I doubt that the "current" Iraq is an ally of the United States and the quarrels between the allies are somehow not very good.
          It is another matter for the Turks - the further collapse of Iraq and the "privatization" of the oil-bearing territories (once belonging to the Ottoman Empire) are even very much. And it would be very profitable to play off the Iraqi and Turkish Kurds.

          Is Iraq a US ally? Since when? Iraq is a country occupied by the United States and there is an understanding of this issue in Iraq. At the moment, the Iraqi government is also protesting against the American special forces on its territory. Turkey has sent its troops into Iraqi Kurdistan with the tacit consent of the United States and this is beyond doubt. It is another matter that the United States, in its usual manner, can "swap places with an enema," as it did in its time with the same Iraq. At one time, the Americans also verbally "gave the go-ahead" to Saddam to invade Kuwait, and then outlawed it. Erdogan is a very uncomfortable figure for the United States and no one wants to strengthen Turkey there. So far, according to the scenario, Erdogan spoils the blood of Russia and seems to be playing according to American rules, but no one will make him a new Ataturk. At any moment he can be "asked" for Cyprus and Iraq and for Daesh.
        3. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 8 December 2015 14: 46 New
          +3
          Response plans announced.
          "The people's militia will take adequate measures against the Turkish forces if they refuse to leave Iraq after the deadline set by the government. We don't have to announce these measures, "Al-Nuri said in a comment to Sputnik.
          The Prime Minister of Iraq, Haider al-Abadi.
          Iraqi Prime Minister says Turkey has 24 hours to withdraw

          Earlier, a UN source told RIA Novosti that the UN Security Council will hold a meeting on Tuesday in connection with the deployment of Turkish military forces in Iraq.
          РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20151208/1338163764.html#ixzz3tj9cZ59k

          Strange even but Iraqis are going to beat the Turks.
        4. redeemer
          redeemer 8 December 2015 14: 51 New
          +3
          Iraq was a slave to the United States. now trying to break free. It is obvious. but very difficult. The United States is trying to return Iraq to the stall and play its trash with the wrong hands.
        5. Rrrj
          Rrrj 8 December 2015 15: 53 New
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          Quote: knn54
          US ally Iraq

          no ally is a vassal, but Turkey is an ally. So, they will wipe their hands on Iraq, unfortunately, wiped by us.
          1. Kadex
            Kadex 8 December 2015 21: 33 New
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            Quote: rrrj
            unfortunately, wiped by us.

            It is not clear who wipes and by whom?
        6. Foxmara
          Foxmara 8 December 2015 20: 05 New
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          Oh, there is a simple stiuvina that can be played. Iraq declares war on Turkey and Turkey closes the Bosphorus at war. We're in flight. Whether Iraq will fight with Turkey or not is irrelevant. It is important that the Turks, in full agreement with the Montreux Convention, can block our work to supply their bases in Syria. "Article 20

          In times of war, when Turkey is a belligerent, the provisions of Articles 10-18 will not apply: the passage of warships will depend solely on the discretion of the Turkish Government. "
      2. Tor5
        Tor5 8 December 2015 14: 49 New
        0
        Yeah, you don’t have to wait for the best gift for the United States. Everything is right, politics - divide and rule - for all time!
      3. WAP Master
        WAP Master 8 December 2015 14: 50 New
        +3
        Earlier, the Turkish Prime Minister has already stated that "no one will be able to put Turkey on its knees with economic sanctions."

        What about cancer?
      4. Bully
        Bully 8 December 2015 15: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: nemec55
        Americans purr with happiness like cats Faced foreheads

        As they said in the 90s: The one who shoots the last laughs well laughing Isn't it too early to rejoice ?! Iraq, too, now speaks not of itself and does not express its own thoughts, it senses the "roof". Again, the anti-ISIS coordination headquarters in Baghdad is not run by the United States.
      5. vodolaz
        vodolaz 8 December 2015 15: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: nemec55
        Turkey "if necessary" is ready to impose sanctions against Russia, but is not ready to withdraw its troops from Iraq

        Americans purr with happiness like cats They pushed their heads against%: "№% ;:

        The Turks have never been our allies, partners, as it turned out, of them are also so-so.
    2. lexxxus
      lexxxus 8 December 2015 14: 05 New
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      Turkey is not a country where problems can be created

      That's right - she creates problems for herself. smile
      1. Sasha 19871987
        Sasha 19871987 8 December 2015 14: 09 New
        +8
        Turkey made an attempt to get into its own anus, firstly they are jealously guilty with Su 24, secondly their president didn’t apologize for lawlessness, thirdly, after last year’s European sanctions, these same sanctions will not scare us at all
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 8 December 2015 16: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: sasha 19871987
          ... firstly they are jealously guilty with Su 24, secondly their president did not apologize for the lawlessness ...


          By the way, about the shooting of the pilot Peshkov. This, by his own admission online, was done by a Turkish citizen, a member of the pro-fascist movement "gray wolves" - Chilik. He is still alive and well and brags about his "exploits" in the networks.
          As regards the apologies from the Turkish leadership, they are not and never will be, and we need to proceed from this reality. yes
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 8 December 2015 14: 24 New
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        Quote: lexxxus
        Turkey is not a country where problems can be created

        That's right - she creates problems for herself. smile

        Today I talked with the Kyrgyz ... so they rub their hands ... they say Turkish textiles closed the course in the Russian Federation and now their production in Kyrgyzstan has increased the volume of supplies to us in Russia.
        1. lexxxus
          lexxxus 8 December 2015 14: 28 New
          +5
          Somewhere departed, somewhere arrived ...
          Probably the pedrogan more than once regretted the deed. But the Eye does not order to admit it.
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 8 December 2015 14: 31 New
          +6
          Quote: Scoun
          Now their production in Kyrgyzstan has increased the volume of supplies to us in Russia.

          Well, at least the Kyrgyz joy. smile
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 8 December 2015 14: 37 New
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            Today, the Turkish authorities announced that they were not going to withdraw the military contingent from Iraq, despite all the requirements of official Baghdad.

            There was no go-ahead from Washington!
      3. Armax
        Armax 8 December 2015 14: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: lexxxus
        That's right - she creates problems for herself

        Something like: I will smoke, but I will not give up drinking!
      4. Lelek
        Lelek 8 December 2015 15: 56 New
        +9
        Quote: lexxxus
        That's right - she creates problems for herself.


        In addition to the problems for itself, Turkey creates for us, what problems. Take, for example, the pro-Turkish movements in Tatarstan, the KBR, Bashkiria (where they openly and pompously honor Azat Salmanov, an accomplice of the Nazis, and where they openly call for separation from Russia and joining Turkey). Not to mention our former republics in the USSR, where the Turks have been conducting pro-Turkish propaganda for many years, spending huge amounts of money on this. We did not conduct pro-Russian propaganda in these republics and do not conduct it at all, relying only on the satisfaction of their leaders, who secretly trade their favors both ours and yours (who will offer more).
        So the belly and underbelly are in great danger. fool
    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 8 December 2015 14: 09 New
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      It is a pity that Iraq did not find its Erdogan, because any state has the inalienable right to protect its sovereignty.
      1. Al_oriso
        Al_oriso 8 December 2015 14: 20 New
        +6
        At first, Iraq gave a day to withdraw troops, now it gave two days, then, probably, two and a half ... two and a quarter ...
    4. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 8 December 2015 14: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Mihalich17
      I would be ready - would introduce!)))
      .. If my grandmother had ..., she would be a grandfather!
      Reply Quote Report Abuse

      Of course I don’t think that Turkey will seriously decide on something, but we are waiting for tonight. Right, Colleagues are interesting. hi
    5. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 8 December 2015 14: 17 New
      +2
      I'd like to remind Mr. Abadi of the popular wisdom: "Take care of your honor while you have it." Iraq now has nothing to preserve. Let the Iranians be called for help, because the Turks won't just leave.
    6. vkl-47
      vkl-47 8 December 2015 14: 25 New
      0
      against the Turks already imposed sanctions
    7. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 8 December 2015 14: 47 New
      +1
      Good advice for the Turks: 1. Prohibit the supply of tomatoes in the Russian Federation. 2. Close resorts for the Russians.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 8 December 2015 14: 02 New
    0
    ERDOGAN's brains are jammed ....
  3. STALK1974
    STALK1974 8 December 2015 14: 03 New
    +1
    Let Iraq and Russia call for help, so we’ll pay for our Dryer.
    1. The black
      The black 8 December 2015 14: 07 New
      +9
      ... and we will please the Americans ... wink ..... let Iraq call for help. The Americans "chose" them, the Americans and to protect hi
    2. DMoroz
      DMoroz 8 December 2015 14: 21 New
      +8
      Today, it seems, the UN Security Council is meeting on this matter, Erdogan (as a NATO member) threw a funny "donut" to his allies, refusing to withdraw his troops even before the Security Council made a decision (i.e., publicly showing that international law is not only for Americans) the freedom of action...
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    4. veksha50
      veksha50 8 December 2015 14: 34 New
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      Quote: STALK1974
      Let Iraq, Russia call for help, here and pay for our drying.



      Lord, how much can you ... Russia, and so from all sides dragged into the war ...

      Or do you, sitting in the kitchen on the sofa, think that Russia will easily crush and destroy all the enemies ???

      PS The best and real thing now would be in the supply of weapons to the Kurds ...

      PS Although, again, the same situation may arise as when creating and creating the United States organizations such as the IG and the like ...
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 8 December 2015 15: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: veksha50
        Quote: STALK1974
        Let Iraq, Russia call for help, here and pay for our drying.



        Lord, how much can you ... Russia, and so from all sides dragged into the war ...

        Or do you, sitting in the kitchen on the sofa, think that Russia will easily crush and destroy all the enemies ???

        PS The best and real thing now would be in the supply of weapons to the Kurds ...

        PS Although, again, the same situation may arise as when creating and creating the United States organizations such as the IG and the like ...

        I completely agree. We are not aware of the future. Kurds are also not angels, what will happen after we arm them? Maybe they will also be beaten off from the hands. Now would be a time machine, to look into the future. hi
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 8 December 2015 16: 56 New
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          Quote: keel 31
          Now would be a time machine, to look into the future.



          I would try to use it in order to find out whether it is possible to successfully and efficiently, preventively cover someone who does not sleep in the dead of night, and does not live on a clear day, and if the Apocalypse does not take place ???
      2. trantor
        trantor 8 December 2015 18: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: veksha50
        Lord, how much can you ... Russia, and so from all sides dragged into the war ...

        It is hard to disagree - the world "hegemon" is stubbornly trying to wear us down both militarily and economically. And for this it is desirable to make us "conquer" someone.
        Everything that happens is reminiscent of a giant geopolitical chess game. The United States constantly “substitutes”, “donates,” “surrenders” someone (whom it does not feel sorry for, but “does not feel sorry” for anyone).
        "Poisoned Pawn" - Georgia. If they didn't take it, they answered with Ossetia.
        "Donated boat" - Ukraine. They responded with Crimea and Minsk and LPNR.
        On a counterattack from the other flank (in Syria) we were "framed" by an elephant (Turkey) ... Who is next? Baltics? Middle Asia? Or is the queen Europe?

        It seems that our task now is not to fight directly with someone, but to wait, accumulate information, dodge and snarl. Well, although as long as there is no one to sacrifice the hegemon, there will be no one but himself. Just come to this time you need in a condition, albeit not the best, but not much worse than today.

        It is difficult, including for perception. There are no victorious "information bureau reports", there are no loud statements and global changes - there is a routine. But this is precisely what is needed now. Otherwise, we will not survive - in the truest sense of the word. This is how I understand everything that happens.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 9 December 2015 09: 06 New
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          Quote: trantor
          On a counterattack from the other flank (in Syria) we were "framed" by an elephant (Turkey) ... Who is next? Baltics? Middle Asia? Or is the queen Europe?



          Hmm ... You need hellish patience in such a party ...

          PS And I want to give all these players a chessboard on the head ... I am incontinent ... This is probably why they do not allow me to take the helm of power (just kidding, I never got into politics) ...
      3. avdkrd
        avdkrd 8 December 2015 20: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: veksha50

        Lord, how much can you ... Russia, and so from all sides dragged into the war ...

        Or do you, sitting in the kitchen on the sofa, think that Russia will easily crush and destroy all the enemies ???

        Exactly - fighting is much more profitable with brains. the Americans unleashed and financed two world wars and in both cases skimmed the cream. Actually, this is precisely why the average American does not have involuntary defecation because, thanks to the "wise" policy of the State Department, the world has been brought to the brink of a new war. The information that the third world war will not bring new jobs and prosperity to the middle class for America does not reach their brain, and those who are not lucky enough to survive will spend the rest of their lives in the scenery for Mad Max. Despite the fact that Russia and the United States did not come to an open confrontation, the world is closer to war than during the Cuban missile crisis. New players have appeared who "put" on the rules, and the Americans do not particularly follow these rules. It is better, of course, to wage wars with someone else's hands, but sometimes there is no choice. Our presence in Syria is the result of being pushed against the wall. Having lost Syria, we will completely lose our influence in the Middle East, but due to the lack of real allies, we will not be able to pull even Iraq. We, like air, need a full-fledged military alliance with China, Iran, and preferably with India. Without allies, we will only have to snap.
  4. serg1970
    serg1970 8 December 2015 14: 04 New
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    “Nobody can bring Turkey to its knees with economic sanctions.”

    We do not need "Turkey on its knees", we need "Erdogan and Co. on its knees" and so that this Co. with its puppeteers does not climb into Syria together with ISIS.
    1. Mihalich17
      Mihalich17 8 December 2015 14: 08 New
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      Turkey on its knees ??? Who raised her?!?
      As she stood "on all fours", she will stand!)))
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 8 December 2015 14: 23 New
        +6
        Quote: Mihalich17
        As she stood "on all fours", she will stand!)))

        I’ll add from myself five cents.)))
        Turkey may or may not, Turkey as a girl from the red light district. Well, here she has such a fate, the pimp told her to puff, so she puffs under her partner. Only in the case of Iraq no matter how "sanctions" were imposed on her for the tomatoes.)))
        Do not forget about these golden words of Vladimir Vladimirovich, about tomatoes. Allah alone knows what GDP is in mind.
  5. cniza
    cniza 8 December 2015 14: 04 New
    11
    Turks, because of Erdogan, may lose their country in its current form.
  6. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 8 December 2015 14: 04 New
    +6
    This is not casual. my heart feels that in 2016 the question of the Straits will arise.
  7. silver_roman
    silver_roman 8 December 2015 14: 06 New
    +4
    it smells fried and I'm very dumb about the fact that our guys are there!
    for a long time "dark forces" tried to kindle a serious fire and note that these forces are practically not present in the region today. As usual, they set fire to, and then all sorts of Lend Lisa and other pumping out of attendants and getting on the needle begin.
    And as usual, first the League of Nations, now the UN can do nothing. Usually the reform of the international body of "regulation" takes place after the world war. History is a cyclical thing and AGAIN WE are directly involved.
    The TUPO Turks first shot down our aircraft, then TUPO brought their troops into sovereign Iraq. The UN Security Council will score a big bolt on this whole thing, Iraq will ask the Yankees to help (and the Yankees will be arsonists, they have no reason to interfere), then Iraq will ask the Russian Federation and what THEN ???????
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 8 December 2015 14: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: silver_roman
      it smells fried and I'm very dumb about the fact that our guys are there!
      for a long time "dark forces" tried to kindle a serious fire and note that these forces are practically not present in the region today. As usual, they set fire to, and then all sorts of Lend Lisa and other pumping out of attendants and getting on the needle begin.
      And as usual, first the League of Nations, now the UN can do nothing. Usually the reform of the international body of "regulation" takes place after the world war. History is a cyclical thing and AGAIN WE are directly involved.
      The TUPO Turks first shot down our aircraft, then TUPO brought their troops into sovereign Iraq. The UN Security Council will score a big bolt on this whole thing, Iraq will ask the Yankees to help (and the Yankees will be arsonists, they have no reason to interfere), then Iraq will ask the Russian Federation and what THEN ???????



      Now even Russia does not openly go to Turkey. For this is what the guys moving NATO around the world need. Turkey is a consumable, like grief is country 404. Strength is in mobilizing the mind. His not - Putin would be taken.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 8 December 2015 14: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        His not - Putin would be taken.

        now Putin will need his whole mind and ingenuity.

        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Now even Russia does not openly climb Turkey

        it’s not in Turkey, but in those who stand behind them.

        In addition, you are really right that they are trying again, as it has already been several times, in a serious war game.
      2. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 8 December 2015 15: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Strength in mobilizing the mind. His not - Putin would be taken.



        Good. What to do? Yesterday the Turks shot down a plane - Russia did nothing. Tomorrow Ukraine will do something, also keep silent. And then any shushera will begin to greet. Well, trained hamsters in the Baltic states, yes Poland.

        What will you do, huh? Does the UN complain?
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  9. Decathlon
    Decathlon 8 December 2015 14: 09 New
    +2
    “Nobody can bring Turkey to its knees with economic sanctions.”
    Hoteliers from Antalya have already voiced this thesis ?! wink
  10. Mercenary
    Mercenary 8 December 2015 14: 09 New
    +2
    The shortcomings of the Janissaries will not calm down in any way, until they guess before the Third World War they will not calm down. It will be worse for them.
    1. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 8 December 2015 14: 37 New
      +3
      I don’t think that the Turks would have decided on this whole thing. It’s clear that the USA and NATO are behind them. Turkey is a bargaining chip in the big game of the states ... Russia has the wisdom not to rush headlong into the hell of another war .... but the tail of Erdogan it is necessary to fasten and not only economic sanctions UNIVERSAL !!!!!!
  11. izya top
    izya top 8 December 2015 14: 11 New
    +1
    they are not going to withdraw the military contingent from Iraq, despite all the demands of official Baghdad.
    t.d. the owner is one, that of the Turks, that of Iraq
  12. Don Cesar
    Don Cesar 8 December 2015 14: 13 New
    +3
    the Poles already had an action to put an apple in the ass, well, like Putin spite. in the case of Turks, you have to insert tangerines, tomatoes, etc.
    1. anderles66
      anderles66 8 December 2015 14: 24 New
      +1
      All would be nothing. But things can even go to pineapples ...
  13. aleks 62 next
    aleks 62 next 8 December 2015 14: 14 New
    +5
    ... I was especially impressed: ".... Earlier, the Turkish Prime Minister has already stated that" no one will be able to bring Turkey to its knees with economic sanctions ".....

    .... laughing .... You will be dear not only to your knees, but also put on cancer .... If there is a need ... bully
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  15. mavr
    mavr 8 December 2015 14: 16 New
    0
    Quote: iza top
    they are not going to withdraw the military contingent from Iraq, despite all the demands of official Baghdad.
    t.d. the owner is one, that of the Turks, that of Iraq

    Yes
  16. mavr
    mavr 8 December 2015 14: 17 New
    0
    Quote: serg1970
    “Nobody can bring Turkey to its knees with economic sanctions.”

    We do not need "Turkey on its knees", we need "Erdogan and Co. on its knees" and so that this Co. with its puppeteers does not climb into Syria together with ISIS.

    Poroshenko set the second year
  17. good7
    good7 8 December 2015 14: 18 New
    +4
    Notice earlier in Turkey they did not let hijabs in government institutions, but now they openly defile. Yes, and Turkish is becoming Arabic!
  18. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 8 December 2015 14: 19 New
    +3
    And what sanctions can they introduce? Will they stop supplying tomatoes, will not let Russian tourists go and will refuse to build a nuclear power station?
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 8 December 2015 14: 25 New
      +8
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      And what sanctions can they introduce?

      "If we deem it necessary, we will introduce our sanctions in response" ...

      Here, on Pravde.ru and Mir.tesen, there have already been talks that Turkey is hinting that the cruiser Moskva may end up homeless ... According to the Montreux Treaty, in the event of hostilities or the threat of war, Turkey can block the straits for the ships of the belligerent side ...

      Their "chief" of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has already said that Russia is threatening Turkey with a war, the straits must be blocked, and the cruiser Moscow must be arrested (!!!) and released to pay off debts to Yukos (!!!) ...

      The question is - what did the Ukrainian allies share for breakfast with the Turks ???
      1. TVM - 75
        TVM - 75 8 December 2015 14: 51 New
        0
        A couple of volleys and straits are open. No problems...
      2. Kradi
        Kradi 8 December 2015 15: 14 New
        0
        And what have we got to do with Club-K instead of Caliber, and from the Iraqi army? repeat
      3. solovey
        solovey 8 December 2015 15: 51 New
        +1
        interesting to see the arrest of the cruiser "Moskva" lol
  19. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 8 December 2015 14: 23 New
    +6
    The evil spirits climbed into Russia from all sides, as in the good old film "Viy". In line, sons of bitches, in line !!!
  20. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 8 December 2015 14: 27 New
    +5
    "No one will be able to bring Turkey to its knees with economic sanctions ..."

    Turkey did not get up from its knees, crawls on its knees in front of the owners from the States and feeds from the hand like a chain dog.)
  21. Black
    Black 8 December 2015 14: 29 New
    +4
    I think that our "bright minds", who decided that the Turks can be "partners" and even friends, are largely to blame. Countries with a common border, having different interests in the region and not having a Great Common Enemy are simply doomed to conflicts. And we "did not expect", we received a "stab in the back" ....
    The Turks will not stop, the skating rink will roll on, we must prepare .... and it is advisable, inevitably, to preempt in advance, sharply ....
  22. NVVPOU
    NVVPOU 8 December 2015 14: 31 New
    +2
    The one to lose the first to lose their nerves ...
  23. izya top
    izya top 8 December 2015 14: 31 New
    +2
    who surzhik understands can scream from the heart wassat I see, Patya Biden penalized a penalty what
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 8 December 2015 14: 51 New
      0
      Quote: iza top
      who surzhik understands can scream from the heart wassat I see, Patya Biden penalized a penalty what



      Norm to the natives hesitated, they have so much joy laughing
  24. V.ic
    V.ic 8 December 2015 14: 33 New
    +4
    Perdugan becomes impudent, like a podzabornaya punks, knowing that in the alley "brothers" are in ambush.
  25. Sealek
    Sealek 8 December 2015 14: 39 New
    +3
    Considering the information on "Kilo" in Middle-earth, Iraq may again turn to Russia for help in the fight against "oslo @ bami" ... Who did not hide ... no luck, "PL calibers" do not understand "fuck"
    The rest of the questions the Iraqis will decide themselves - Russia has put them "rooks" and "crocodiles", while 3,14notsyatina tried to portray a virgin.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 8 December 2015 14: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: SeAlek
      The rest of the questions the Iraqis will decide themselves - Russia has put them "rooks" and "crocodiles"

      Let's be honest, Iraq now does not have a combat-ready army, especially for a war with Turkey.
  26. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 8 December 2015 14: 40 New
    +1
    Ukraine learned to be clowns! Those will quickly infect! And Poroshenko was transmitted from Biden through a kiss! So you can infect the entire region.
  27. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 8 December 2015 14: 42 New
    +1
    Chegoths are about to send troops into Syria. They know that no matter what they fall on their heads.
  28. msm
    msm 8 December 2015 14: 51 New
    +2
    Maybe, so that our grandchildren can at least live normally, we will "bump" all the NATO-Swedes-Japanese-Koreans - all that we have, and immediately and without a trace, without letting anyone pass. (minus, spit!)
    1. good7
      good7 8 December 2015 15: 00 New
      0
      Arabs, Pakistan, Turkey and other terrorists also add to this list
  29. Lysik001
    Lysik001 8 December 2015 14: 55 New
    +4
    And who is afraid of Turkey? Maybe Russia? That she again will not buy something? No, my dears. If you were hit and you did not answer .... wait for new blows. Neither chattering, nor sanctions in such cases will stop. They respond to force only by force. And when instead of responding to the murder of our soldiers they threaten with a fist and stop buying tomatoes ... except how disgraceful it is! And the shame will continue! Until the tough answer!
    1. Tatyana_VV
      Tatyana_VV 8 December 2015 16: 44 New
      0
      Hurry is not worth it. We will be consistent - and probably increasing. First, they bombed well on the Turkoman in the area of ​​the plane crash. Then - tomatoes and tourists, and at the same time S-400 and S-300. They showed tankers (and their routes), continuing to shoot them. What will happen next - we are unlikely to be able to predict at the forum, but it is not enough for the Turks with the Americans to imagine what our great minds will come up with.
      Seems to have found a black box of downed Su.
  30. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 8 December 2015 15: 00 New
    +3
    Turks are originals. They did disgust, and then were outraged by the fact that the one to whom they had spoiled does not feel a sense of gratitude and still dares to be indignant. Such figures are useless to explain or tell anything. Only a good blow to the forehead can put their brains in place. And it is unlikely. Clinical case.
  31. max2215
    max2215 8 December 2015 15: 03 New
    +3
    Iraq would need, as the "tough guys" do, for 5 seconds 10 times to warn on the radio about the violation of the state border, and start hammering, and wait 2 days ...
    As the popular wisdom says, you can’t ... do not torment the priest, And if the gut is thin, wipe it and do not get offended. To what have survived, a country who doesn’t come in and go out soon, as if the Turks will share with Qatar.
  32. kit-kat
    kit-kat 8 December 2015 15: 09 New
    -1
    "Turkey cannot be brought to its knees ..." We're not proud. We can stand on a stool.
  33. Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky 8 December 2015 15: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    It is a pity that Iraq did not find its Erdogan, because any state has the inalienable right to protect its sovereignty.

    But is there something to protect this very sovereignty? No.
  34. NeRTT
    NeRTT 8 December 2015 15: 25 New
    +1
    Earlier, the Turkish Prime Minister has already stated that "no one will be able to put Turkey on its knees with economic sanctions."
    Ash tree stump, if you continue to swindle with counterfeit oil with impunity under the wing of the Barn of Deception and its "like"
  35. solovey
    solovey 8 December 2015 15: 46 New
    0
    Let's enter
    ) not to let Russian tourists;
    2) to recall Turkish builders from Russia;
    3) do not supply agricultural products in Russia.
    4) freeze the "Turkish stream"
    5) freeze the construction of nuclear power plants
    Well, the last thing they do in this world will close the Bosphorus
  36. Velizariy
    Velizariy 8 December 2015 15: 59 New
    -1
    [quote = knn54] -nemec55: Americans purr like cats from happiness ...
    I doubt that the "current" Iraq is an ally of the United States and the quarrels between the allies are somehow not very good.
    Not an ally, but an instrument, and Turkey is also their instrument, not an ally, therefore, both Iraq and Turkey are clearly using the plan, there will be no "graters", it will be necessary and will fight a little bit of a fight.
  37. vobels
    vobels 8 December 2015 16: 04 New
    +1
    ".. But we hope that the crisis with Russia will be overcome, .." Here are the cattle, they themselves have muddied the situation and are not going to resolve, they only increase tension in the region. Apparently, the overseas puppeteer pulls them tightly by the strings, even look at the eggs .. and fall off
  38. Victor-M
    Victor-M 8 December 2015 16: 37 New
    0
    You should have seen how the "people's choices" were greeted by the Rada of their breadwinner, reminiscent of a barnyard before feeding. The fate will probably be the same, to the meat processing plant. laughing
  39. Alex1313
    Alex1313 8 December 2015 17: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: nemec55
    Yes, what does Iraq have to do with us? We have a second forehead who nafig need these graters and Turkey knowing it will become impudent while Europe and America allow them to do this.
    Everyone would do a league to spoil Russia

    Remember the Crimean War, a very similar situation
  40. atamankko
    atamankko 8 December 2015 18: 27 New
    0
    And again "exceptional" aside, rubbing their little hands in anticipation of a mess.
  41. Weyland
    Weyland 8 December 2015 19: 43 New
    -1
    "Turkey is not a country that can create problems with such methods" ... "No one will be able to bring Turkey to its knees with economic sanctions."


    The problem is that, as they say in the East - "and this is just one of our methods!"
    Moreover, these methods are applied insofar as the absence of a formal Russian reaction would look suspicious. But as for unofficial methods, then it may turn out to be posed not just on your knees, but in your knee-elbow position ... laughing
  42. Kadex
    Kadex 8 December 2015 21: 40 New
    0
    In a good way, it would be necessary for Turkey to apologize for the downed plane and bring the situation to a peaceful track. And so, you will not go far on sanctions.