The newest destroyer of the USA has begun tests

The first American ship in a series of destroyers of the Zumwalt type on Monday went to sea trials, reports RIA News message from the Associated Press.

drawing of the destroyer Zumwalt

"The ship is 183 long meters and a displacement of almost thousands of tons 15 out to sea from the shipyard in Maine to conduct sea trials," - said in a statement.

Earlier, the destroyer was criticized for instability, which, according to experts, was the result of "an unusual type of hull with a broken silhouette, reminiscent of old ships.

However, the developers believe that "this type of hull, together with its finishing with radio-absorbing materials, makes the ship unobtrusive to radar."

According to the agency, the destroyer "received a new diesel-gas turbine power plant with electric propulsion, new rocket systems and guns."

Earlier it was reported that due to the high cost of the first ship ($ 4,4 billion), their construction program was reduced more than 10 times: from 32-x destroyers to 3-x.

Help Agency: "The destroyer of the Zamvolt class is multi-purpose and is intended both for the struggle against enemy ground forces and for fire support from the sea and the fight against aviation. Thanks to wide automation, the crew will amount to only 140 people - much less than the previous ships of this class. ”

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[Anton Gavrilov]

A new word of technology, comrades really move military affairs forward.

[Scoun]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

comrades really move military affairs forward.

Well, why are you a comrade so risking ?! ))) now run over and say that this is a cut of the dough, it sucks and all Americans are "stupid")))
IMHA destroyer turns out to be very expensive like the B-2, but the acquired technology can be used in cheaper ships of other classes.

[Anton Gavrilov]

Yes, this is not the first time, I’m here for pluses with minus signs somehow in parallel, I don’t chase after them.

[cniza]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

Yes, this is not the first time, I’m here for pluses with minus signs somehow in parallel, I don’t chase after them.

It's not about the plus and minus signs, but what is really known about this thing, except that it is very expensive, practically nothing. And you have to watch the enemy and know everything about him ... an unusual approach yes, new technologies yes, poor stability ??? - the metacentric height is easy to change and will be like a tumbler ... this information is very little, I would not like to receive "surprises".

[Anton Gavrilov]

A fundamentally new generation and quality of RTV, a fundamentally new level and quality of automation, there is a direct possibility of placing samples of weapons of the future railgun, and laser.

The unique characteristics and features of the GEM-tandem GEDs, without gearboxes, fundamentally new converters, the EES is made as a single, integrated, in the sum of the latest factors 2 allow extremely quickly redirect 80% of energy to 1 specific consumer.

A radically new level of secrecy, I think you can not talk about it here.

The thing is extremely interesting, it really is a ship of a new level, if everything works out, it can make a revolution similar to a dreadnought in due time.

[cniza]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

A radically new level of secrecy, I think you can not talk about it here.

The thing is extremely interesting, it really is a ship of a new level, if everything works out, it can make a revolution similar to a dreadnought in due time.

Regarding stealth, this is my opinion, yes, from the pirates, and about two dozen physical fields cannot be hidden.

The fact that the ship is of genuine interest, of course, and I really want to understand how we will answer? ... with an "anti-ship" or a ship of a higher class?

[severniy]

criticized for volatility

Yes, judging by the pictures, this monster has already turned upside down ...

[cniza]

Quote: severniy

criticized for volatility

Yes, judging by the pictures, this monster has already turned upside down ...

In fact, you are right, they took the inverted body as the basis, as the most stable and strung on it everything necessary that they considered necessary. Very original approach.

[SMikhalych]

Quote: cniza

and I really want to understand how we will answer? ... "anti-ship" or a ship of a higher class?

Why immediately ship? Maybe for a start and combat swimmers will be enough? But turnips, just in case, need to be scratched ...

[SMikhalych]

Quote: cniza

and I really want to understand how we will answer? ... "anti-ship" or a ship of a higher class?

I do not know how about "a class above", but then. what is ABOVE is possible

[Assistant]

Regarding stealth, this is my opinion, yes, from the pirates, and about two dozen physical fields cannot be hidden.

The question is not what they will not notice, because they will necessarily notice. The question is, from what distance.

[Saburov]

What are you talking about? Nothing fundamentally new has been implemented, all technologies are as old as the world (if the laws of physics do not suddenly change)
About the railgun
Advantages
1) High destructive power of a shot;
2) An impressive firing range (from 150 to 350 km, only you probably forgot that the earth is round, which will not allow to realize this firing range)
3) The safety of this type of weapon due to the lack of explosive fuel powder
4) The reduced weight will allow you to equip the equipment with a large number of charges;
5) The projectile speed can reach nine thousand kilometers per hour. (In the middle of the 80's, Soviet scientists created a prototype railgun. The speed of a projectile made of plastic, comparable in size to a bottle cap, reached 9960 m / s and punched 3 layer of duralumin with a thickness of 4 cm.)

Disadvantages and problems
1) A clear, sharp impulse is needed that the projectile accelerates and pushes before it scatters or evaporates
2) A huge amount of energy with which the pulse gun will be activated (of the order of 60-70 megawatts, which compact energy sources have not yet been invented)
3) Adverse effects of moisture and salt that corrode the system (relative to fleet use)
4) System stabilization
5) Complete unmasking of the launcher that occurs after the first shot
6) The projectile must have a minimum mass, the material for the manufacture of the projectile and the rail must have high conductivity (to the question of the cost of the projectile)
7) Guides in the gun have to be changed after every second shot.
8) Work on increasing the speed leads to the destruction of shells in flight, and this also becomes a serious obstacle to the widespread introduction of the railgun. To this list you can add the need for a high-precision guidance and sight system.
9) If you need to accumulate 60 megawatts for a shot, then these 60 megawatts need to be generated and saved! Even if without losses with 100% efficiency and type on superconductors, all the same huge aircraft carrier nuclear reactors at 300 megawatts will pump the energy of 15-20 minutes ... until the next shot. You’ll kill yourself, but the laws of physics can’t get around in any way, and to shoot 5 rounds per minute, you need the energy of 100 aircraft carriers ... LITERALLY 100!
Well, backfill. The projectile will not fly along a ballistic trajectory with a decrease, but in a straight line like a laser beam, meanwhile the earth is round, and the horizon from the destroyer deck starts somewhere at a distance of 15 km, a target at a distance of 50 km cannot be reached with a direct shot . Shoot from an airplane? From the surface of the sea, from the ship, as a result, the projectile will pass in 400 m above the target. A speed of approximately 8 km / s is sufficient to enter the orbit of the earth; above it is already possible to fly to the sun. In addition, a shot with a speed of at least 6 km / s should cause, if it does not occur in a vacuum, a powerful shock wave and instantaneous heating of air in the shot zone.

[Saburov]

Well, and about the laser (especially for laser addicts)
Let's go in order. Show me an article where, for example, it is clearly described in technical and scientific language how they managed to get around the main problems of building a laser? The natural divorce of suckers (military and taxpayers) on the headstock by American scientific and technical swindlers. For the reason that in the foreseeable future, “combat lasers” are not able, in principle, even to approach combat good old good guns / missiles. In the best case, their destiny is extremely narrow, specific areas of application such as burning optics for reconnaissance. equipment, sights, etc. If we talk about the use of lasers on the battlefield to “burn” tanks / infantry / missiles / aircraft, then this is just technical nonsense. And that's why. First, you only have to make a small introduction to the topic - how to evaluate and compare the impact on the target of different types of weapons. Those who are well versed in weapon physics may not read. For the rest of the educational program: What determines the degree of destruction of the target?

[Saburov]

It is determined by three factors: 1) The power supplied from the weapon to the target. A commonplace banal example: the more you hit a person with your fist, the more damage he will inflict, all other things being equal. “Stronger” means applying more muscle at a greater distance in less time. This is power. With regard to guns: the faster the projectile flies, and the heavier it is, the more power. The more he damages the tank, all other things being equal. With reference to the laser - the greater the power of the beam in kilowatts, the stronger it will burn the target. And in the same kilowatts you can translate the damaging properties of any other weapon and compare them. What will we do later. 2) The second factor is the area on which we bring power from the weapon. The smaller it is, the more concentrated the target experiences, the stronger the defeat (we don’t take extreme cases!). If you push the bully with your fist, there will be nothing for him. If you poke him with an awl with exactly the same effort (power), he will not be greeted. When they want to break through a tank, they try to make it a thinner striking element. So as not to “spread” power over the area. If we shoot a beam - we must collect it on the smallest possible area. Remember children's games with lenses and the Sun. A lens collecting the light of the Sun from a circle with a diameter of 5 cm - burns paper perfectly when this beam is compressed to a size of a couple of millimeters. In principle, the first and second factors are usually combined into one - the energy flux density. That is, they receive power in watts divided by the area of ​​impact. The higher this density, the more dangerous the impact. Measured in watts per square centimeter. But I decided to break them down for clarity. 3) The ability of the target to reflect, fend off the power of the weapon. That is, for example, if we take two armor plates and a projectile flying in them, but put one sheet at an angle, then the projectile can bounce off the inclined sheet. All else being equal. That is, the degree of destruction of the target very much depends on its specific vulnerability to this type of weapon with the first two factors being equal. It’s so simple not to sort through the interaction, there are dozens of types of interaction, but then it will be easier. For now, just remember that this must be taken into account. So, we repeat once again: in order to assess the damaging effect of a weapon, we are primarily interested in its power, concentration and methods of protection. Now let's see what has been achieved in the field of lasers and conventional weapons in terms of the above criteria.

[Saburov]

Power criterion. The most powerful laser today is the ABL chemical COIL laser. Its power is about 1 megawatts. For comparison: the power of the 76-mm division gun F-22 of the 1936 model of the year is about 150 megawatts. 150 times more! Count yourself - the kinetic energy of the projectile (M * V ^ 2) / 2 divided by the time it is reached (about 0.01 seconds). We still do not take into account the explosive energy in the projectile itself. There are still as many. Think about this simple fact: a small ancient cannon from the time of the Second World War at a price of scrap metal is hundreds of times more powerful than an ultramodern “battle” laser weighing tens of tons and costing over 5 billions of dollars. A shot from ABL alone costs millions of dollars. And this energy shot is comparable to the burst of a heavy machine gun. The power of a Kalashnikov assault rifle is about 100 kilowatts. A US-Israeli laser with the same 100 kW (THEL) power was tested, they wanted to use it to protect against Grad missile shells. THEL installation in size - 6 delivered next to the bus. The project was closed at 2006 for complete inadequacy, although it still successfully shot down missiles and mines. By heating them in flight for several seconds. (The question is - what about the volley ????) Characteristically, no one even mentioned the possibility of defeating infantry with such a laser. Otherwise, even a child would clearly see its true capabilities, comparing it with an ordinary machine gun. It should be noted that it is no coincidence that the US military and experts believe that the minimum required laser power for combat use is 100 kW. As we see, this is really enough to at least get closer to the striking power of small arms.

[Saburov]

Laserophiles will say: well, maybe the beam can be concentrated on a small area and thereby achieve a much greater effect with less power? Indeed - after all, industry uses laser machines that quietly cut centimeter steel with powers of only about a few kilowatts. At the same time, their rays are focused on a patch of several millimeters in size. Alas! Here, the physically irresistible diffraction law comes into force, which states that the laser radiation always diverges from the angle = wavelength / beam diameter. At distances of the order of meters, it can be ignored. So what is next? If we take specifically a combat infrared laser with a wavelength of 2 μm (THEL combat lasers work at such a length, etc.) and a beam diameter of 1 cm, then we get the angle of divergence 0.2 of the milliradian (this is a very small difference - for example, ordinary laser pointers / rangefinders diverge by 5 milliradians and more). Divergence 0.2 mrad. at a distance of 100 meters it will increase the diameter of the spot from 1 cm to approximately 3 cm (if anyone else remembers school geometry). That is, the impact density will fall in proportion to the area in 7 times only by 100 meters. That is: if we know that a laser with a power of 100 KW burns an inch steel plate at point-blank somewhere in 2-3 seconds, then at a distance of 100 meters it will do this, roughly, 18 seconds. All this time, an armored personnel carrier (or whom you are going to burn there) must by itself patiently stand and wait. Do not violate those. process, so to speak. Well, as you know - a furrow of a couple of centimeters is unlikely to upset him anyway. For comparison: armor-piercing bullets from Kalashnikov calmly pierce 16 mm steel at the same distance. And I repeat - today the 100 kW laser is a huge installation weighing tens of tons, with huge tanks of toxic chemicals and sophisticated optics. When he "shoots" - huge clouds of poisonous smoke come from him, poisoning the entire vicinity. What will happen to all this if the enemy strikes from 100 meters throughout this kitchen from his good old large-caliber KPVT - you can imagine. And the rocket can accidentally hit ... And on a kilometer the beam density will fall already 300 times.

[Saburov]

Therefore, it is easy to understand that the distance of hitting a target even in 1 km for an 100-kW laser is an unattainable dream in real conditions. Unless you understand, for example, a canister of gasoline. Or a naked man tied to a tree. That is, a minimally protected target cannot be hit with such a laser at REASONABLE distances in combat conditions. By the way! On combat conditions: the battlefield is not always a desert White Sands training ground. It's rain. Snow. Fog. Explosions. Fumes. Dust. All these are almost insurmountable obstacles to the laser beam. Here, in general, you can forget about any concentration of the beam - it simply dissipates long before the goal. Who needs an assault rifle that is unable to hit targets in such conditions? I remember that the earliest firearms could not shoot in wet weather - the gunpowder was drenched. And the "shooters" just cut out the old fashioned way. Here it is, the inevitable fate of lovers of hyperboloids. 3) Also a very unpleasant point for "laser" is the ability to protect the target. And it’s very cheap and very cheerful. Because infrared rays are reflected from anything that is not hit (everyone can play with the remote control from the TV). A cheap window film with metallization reflects the vast majority of infrared radiation. Titanium reflects the IR laser very well. But we already barely brought it to the goal (just poetry!). Worse, there are also sublimation resins that are used to protect spacecraft from gigawatt heat fluxes, combined with the terrible mechanical effects of air pressure. In this case, the resin layer is damaged by a centimeter or two. That is, armor / steel is far from the most resistant material for the laser, no. It has long been an order of magnitude more "laser-resistant" coatings. It follows that even if it is possible to increase the power of laser guns by an order of magnitude, to gigawatts, this will not make them a prodigy at all. In this “sword and shield” competition, the shield has a huge, insurmountable head start. That is why laser-lasers very rarely tell WHAT goals they once again managed to hit and at what distance. And what is shown on the video raises more questions than answers. Ah well? - true laser lovers will say - but what do you all tell about chemical lasers when a technological breakthrough has already been made and “combat” solid-state light-pumping devices have appeared? There are no poisonous tanks, and they are much smaller! And decent power has already been achieved - for 100 kW!

[Saburov]

And it's called beautifully - Firestrike. Hmm .. And really, a very compact little thing - 7 blocks each weighing 180 kg. Total 1300 kg. So that? A dream come true? Let's not rush. There are a couple of nuances. This huge cabinet weighing per ton is just the radiating unit itself. At least 500 kW should be supplied with electric power, given that the achieved efficiency of this laser is about 20%. (and even that is very doubtful, usually much less - less than 10%). Thus, 100 kW went into the enemy with us, and 400 kW remained in this cabinet. And these kilowatts need to be put out quickly, right? Otherwise, expensive optics will suffer. The dimensions of a cooling system of such power can be imagined by looking, for example, at a cooling installation. A rather big bandura, weighs 120 kg. The system can just serve for cooling industrial lasers; it diverts power from as many as whole 6 kW. And she consumes the same amount of electricity. So you need something the size of a truck to cool our 100 kW cabinet when firing. And all this in total will consume megawatts of electric power under 1. Well how? Do you still like breakthrough 100 kW solid-state lasers? With the unimaginable power of defeat comparable to a Kalashnikov assault rifle?

[Saburov]

Practical experiments have already been scientifically proven, documented, and even carried out on the example of the Laser program in the USSR long before the USA and Israel such as Terra-3, A-60, SKIF space program, ship Foros and Dixon and so on, because the main problem has not been solved . There is only one way to deal with beam divergence - by reducing the wavelength. However, it follows from the fundamental laws of physics that the shorter the wavelength, the more difficult it is to implement quantum radiation amplification. That is to build a laser. So these stories about shot down missiles and shells (which by the way are not confirmed by anything, except for commercials where there is no data on range, nature of the target, trajectory, number of salvos, material, etc.) are not worth a penny, unless of course you are friends with physics .
PS The USSR at one time went all the way to create a combat laser from and to what the United States is now doing and reinventing the bicycle, I won’t be surprised if they soon begin to build an installation similar to Terra-3, but in the USSR they realized the futility of these weapons in time, except to blind and burn the enemy’s optics, the laser is not capable of more in combat conditions, due to weak power, irresistible laws of physics and elementary and CHEAP methods of protection against it, well, naturally, speaking about the laser, for some reason everyone forgets about the problem energy and cooling installation methods.

[sisa29]

Thank you, they explained us in great detail and intelligibly. Can sleep peacefully

[DobryAAH]

No, well, somehow Garin fleet drowned from a hyperboloid? Even if the Americans go around the whole physics, we will take out a sideboard with a mirror and burn them with a reverse impulse!

[DobryAAH]

A radically new level of secrecy, I think you can not talk about it here.

Our ultra-secret neutrino radar sees it through the thickness of the earth, right at the American base.

[PIN]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

Yes, this is not the first time, I’m here for pluses with minus signs somehow in parallel, I don’t chase after them.

Purely -....! I don’t need awards, but I’ll say that I don’t!

[bulvas]

Quote: Scoun

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

comrades really move military affairs forward.

Well, why are you a comrade so risking ?! ))) now run over and say that this is a cut of the dough, it sucks and all Americans are "stupid")))
IMHA destroyer turns out to be very expensive like the B-2, but the acquired technology can be used in cheaper ships of other classes.

You can imagine how all these "come running" would have yelled if something like this appeared in our country

And they wouldn’t remember how much it costs and what disadvantages

[Foresterer]

Technologies can be developed in a cheaper way. F-35 worked a lot? The US military-industrial complex is bold and is not looking at anyone looking for money. They understand that Russia will never attack first, and there are simply no other real rivals in a real war! Only 3 of these products will be made (the ship doesn’t dare to call the ship) not because it is very expensive, but because. that they didn’t find other fools to invest in this business this time, as in the case of the F-35. In general, I consider the plus or minus articles on the arming of our opponents to be unacceptable; I consider foreign armaments only as a likely way of killing me and my family.

[Scoun]

Quote: Foresterer

F-35 has worked a lot?

inappropriate comparison of IMHA)) why then not with the F-22? but he gained a lot.

Quote: Foresterer

The US military industry is bold and not looking at anyone, sawing money.

and what are we looking around "sawing" and in what context are we sawing? )))

Quote: Foresterer

not because it is very expensive, but because. that they didn’t find other fools to invest in this business this time, as in the case of the F-35.

How many F-35s have already been riveted? and US partners that all refused to buy the F-35s? )))
and how to understand not found someone to invest? that they were looking for someone to "invest" in a B-2 or F-22 and sell them to someone?

Quote: Foresterer

Plus or minus articles about the arming of our opponents in general I consider unacceptable

Herein lies the main misconception of forum users, PLUS and MINUS is not a POSITIVE and NEGATIVE article or comment, but an INFORMATIVE and NOT INFORMATIVE, ERROR and NOT ERRORious article / comment.

[Foresterer]

Very indicative and informative about the F-35 program here:
http://id-bedretdinov.ru/journals/journal-aero/post-aero/95-sostoyanie-programmy
-razrabotki-i-proizvodstva-f-35-lightning-ii.html

I have no doubt that with this money allocated to scientific institutes, there would be an order of magnitude more breakthrough technologies. By the way, which ones are present in the F-35? Zamvolt is a movie toy and has already starred in one Hollywood craft. Remember my words in a couple of years, this "product" will not take part in any serious military conflict, because with 100% certainty it will either be severely damaged or sunk, and this is a guarantee of financial death in the USA. This product needs a worse escort on a campaign than for an aircraft carrier, because the embarrassment with it will be worse for the Americans than Pearl Harbor. One demonstration trip will be, they will give shooting and again to act in films. Surely our Aerospace Forces will make a control flight, show him the invisible that he is not so exclusive and invisible for everyone. And sophisticated automation will not benefit, 140 people will not be able to save the ship in an emergency. I do not belittle the possible exclusivity and combat capability of Zamwalt, but I will not admire either. He is still on trials and it is not known how much money this will eventually cost.

[Pimply]

Quote: Foresterer

F-35 has worked a lot?

Actually - very much. You can ironize as much as you like, but all the main problems of the F-35 are just because of the huge number of breakthrough technologies that dramatically change the appearance and capabilities of a modern attack fighter

[Foresterer]

You will not find in the internet the number of original patented technical solutions for the F-35, because their number is vanishingly small or they are borrowed from Russian designers. But there are a lot of problems, because:
It’s not possible to harness one cart / Horse and trembling doe

[Pimply]

Quote: Foresterer

You will not find in the internet the number of original patented technical solutions for the F-35, because their number is vanishingly small or they are borrowed from Russian designers. But there are a lot of problems, because:
It’s not possible to harness one cart / Horse and trembling doe

My friend, your ignorance makes you look tenderly at you. Go play in the sandbox, don't bother the adult uncles

[Foresterer]

Rudeness is not great valor.

[Pimply]

Quote: Foresterer

Rudeness is not great valor.

To stupidity - you can

[Saburov]

Quote: Pimply

Actually - very much. You can ironize as much as you like, but all the main problems of the F-35 are just because of the huge number of breakthrough technologies that dramatically change the appearance and capabilities of a modern attack fighter

Pimpled, if you are talking about something, then please give an example!
Show or name at least one breakthrough technology or method on the F-35 Lightning II ???

[Foresterer]

This Pupyrchaty is an Intourist, he only praises American and Israeli weapons without shyness, he does not need arguments and facts.

[Pimply]

Quote: Foresterer

This Pupyrchaty is an Intourist, he only praises American and Israeli weapons without shyness, he does not need arguments and facts.

Of course, only Israeli and American.
You see, my little illiterate friend, you confuse. This is when you mention American and Israeli technology is a strange excitement. I have no desire to blame Russian equipment, since it is often really good. You just confuse this with the fact that I don't like cheers like you

[Saburov]

In 1995, Lockheed Martin announced a partnership with Yakovlev Design Bureau. The knowledge and experience of Soviet technical specialists gained during the development of the Soviet Yak-141 vertical take-off and landing fighter was used to develop the F-35. The demo version, Lockheed Martin X-35B, in many respects resembles the Yak-141. Although the Americans do not like to mention it. The 3BSN rotary nozzle mechanism was developed by RR back in 1964 for the RB.153-76A engine according to the German project VJ 101E, and before the 67 year, the engine and the nozzle passed quite successful ground tests, including fire tests. In 1968-69, the same engine was developed under the AVS project. By the way, for this project, for the first time, a scheme with a lifting fan with a gas-dynamic drive was worked out. By the time work began on the Yak-41, the nozzle mechanism was already in the museum of the company, where it remains until now. A little later, the Yakovlevites used not only the 3BSN scheme, but also the general layout scheme of the VJ 101E, which is generally not surprising, since at the time the work was completed according to supersonic VTOL in Europe, this very scheme was considered the most promising. Subsequently, the Yakovlevites' successful experience in creating an aircraft with 3BSN attracted the attention of LM, who at that time were in search of the optimal scheme for their promising VTOL aircraft under the JSF project. Despite the fact that RR offered its 3BSN development services on the basis of its AVS developments, LM preferred to purchase documentation from Yakovlevites, since they were primarily interested not so much in the kinematics of the nozzle (it was well-known for a long time at that time), but as the accumulated operating experience nozzles on the Yak-141, and the Yakovlev experience was valuable because the Yak-141 scheme as a whole resembled that chosen for the X-35. In addition, cooperation with the Russians seemed more profitable for financial reasons. RR received a contract to develop the LM fan invented in LM, as well as to develop a gas rudder system (in this area, RR’s global leadership is undeniable).

[Pimply]

Quote: Saburov

Pimpled, if you are talking about something, then please give an example!
Show or name at least one breakthrough technology or method on the F-35 Lightning II ???

And in which of the three aircraft, Saburov? F-35 three pieces, in each his own, despite the unification

[Saburov]

Quote: Pimply

And in which of the three aircraft, Saburov? F-35 three pieces, in each his own, despite the unification

What is the manner of answering a question with a question?
Name at least one of the three.

[theadenter]

The US military-industrial complex is bold and is not looking at anyone looking for money

Yes, that's just they have enough money to cut, and to develop and replenish the army.
This is not particularly critical for them. Indeed, no one will be able to bend them for the state debt, so everyone depends on its economy, even our country.

[War and Peace]

Quote: Scoun

IMHA destroyer turns out to be very expensive like the B-2, but the acquired technology can be used in cheaper ships of other classes.

the next 50pcs will already be cheaper ...

[YARUSSIAN39]

Where have you seen Americans do cheaper classes?
They always cut the "bobble" on a large scale, and every time they ask more and more

[dauria]

the destroyer is very expensive

And the displacement struck me. This whopper must somehow be called differently. It's like a German "pocket" battleship.

[Vadim237]

The super destroyer will do.

[marlin1203]

As for invisibility ... it's all the same metal and 183 meters colossus. No matter how hard you try, you can't hide it. And stealth for that kind of money is about the expediency "still need to see"

[Chifka]

Christy's flying tank was also moving something somewhere. They are still figuring out where ...

[the most important]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

A new word of technology, comrades really move military affairs forward.

But, it is quite possible that along a dead end.

[kote119]

to understand about the dead end of a path

[vkl-47]

It’s interesting to watch him when he gets into the storm. He looks like a floating pink coffin. A terrible sight

[34 region]

Do you think it was designed by stupid people? The nose of the ship is made to reduce resistance in water when moving. The slope of the sheets is also thought out. Stability? Probably counted. Here it is better to find out the opinion of marine experts, and not to guess what and how.

[favn]

If only there was no deadlock ahead)))

[bulvas]

Quote: favn

If only there was no deadlock ahead)))

Would be afraid of dead ends - would have fought on sailing ships, or even on galleys

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

, comrades really move military affairs forward.

When, two years later, an article about the project of a new ship for our Navy in the silhouette and concept of Zumwalt appears on this site, the local public will be drowned in ecstasy from the power availability, stealth and special seaworthiness of the ship being designed. I am more than sure that all the criticism is on it. pouring in 1.) because it is not ours, but American. 2.) because we cannot afford the development and production of such ships. 3.) because we burned money (when the barrel was 100 bucks in the sacrificial flame of the Olympic flame in Sochi , and everything that was left was thrown not into Russian factories and shipyards, but into American securities. About such a jamb "taboo" is a taboo on this site, because a number of hard-hitting and beating questions arise The geniuses of world geopolitics (tied to Ukrainian turbines). They missed the Ukrainian coup (having made a bet on Yanukovych, and the fact that Yanukovych made the Ukrainians sick of his "golden loaves" did not even arise in thought, because brother-in-law and his people. And how was it far-sighted to give shelter to this thief-shaposhnik and just a coward, when in Ukraine there was 3-5% of the population's support for him) So we sit without turbines and without ships, and all that remains is to throw feces into the new American destroyer.

[Scoun]

Quote: Thunderbolt

When in two years an article appears on this site about the design of a new ship for our Navy in the silhouette and concept of Zumwalt, the local audience will choke in ecstasy

Suffice it to recall how much ecstasy the public received from the concept of the "Armata" tank))) and literally today))) in an article about the Su-34 people are delighted, but what was planned for example

The container of the brake parachute, which was located in the tail boom on the Su-27 and its modifications, was moved a little forward and made retractable for landing. Thus, in the tail boom Su 34 freed up space for the payload. In addition, it was significantly lengthened by the presence of a large radio-transparent fairing suggested that the developer intends to install a rear-facing radar station that could not only warn the crew of an enemy attack, but also control the launch of air-to-air missiles (in particular RVV-AE) capable of hitting not only aircraft but also enemy guided missiles ( no foreign strike aircraft currently has such capabilities)

But in the end, Urya !!! ended with this

The radar remained in unrealized plans. On serial Su-34s in the Air Force there is no radar in the beam. And since last year, cars are already in the beam from the APU. Look at the photo - on the left side, closer to the end of the beam, there is a lattice - that's where the APU "lives". There is no more room for the rear-view radar.

But as usual, many helmets)))

[Thunderbolt]

F-22s and 35s, too, did not have all the technical ideas, in principle, I am happy that the Novosibirsk people were able to give a shot to the country. Two, regiment, consider Roman, we already have and will arrive. I know how hearts are boiling, when what we didn’t get through the Air Force, especially by means of radar reconnaissance. But there are no miracles .. We will rejoice at 2 of these regiments (by the way, the sides are not alike). But anyway, this is our way, it means two radar regiments roam the earth. And he is a fighter in the fulfillment of his task --- work on the earth.

[Vadim237]

The F 35 has problems mainly due to avionics and in modifications B, C, and with the modification A everything is fine - it is not as sophisticated as the rest.

[kamil_tt]

now you will be declared an enemy, because everyone knows that no one in the world "except us", and even more damned mattress toppers, can not build anything good ..

[Val_y]

But as for me it’s a NORMAL and BEAUTIFUL cut dough, (as the program F-22 and F-35, by the way) is LESS in armaments than the berks, and at the cost of atomic avik (don’t throw some shit but the HEADLIGHTS put on many ships, automation is a beautiful word but ... downy new ones, however 155 mm, long-range but ... a projectile worth $ 35 thousand and a range of 110 km, sorry ... ordinary shells 7-10 rounds per minute (not ice). Our AK- 130 90 rounds per minute So ...

[loft79]

Meeting the present with the past

[GRAY]

Quote: loft79

Meeting the present with the past

It suggested:

[Scoun]

Quote: GRAY

It suggested:

Only others' thoughts went in a different direction))) but in fact in the picture there is an innovative dreadnought "Monitor" with a rotating tower that set the heat on the "Merrimak" aka "Virginia".

By March 1862, the Merrimack (aka Virginia) was ready for battle. But the northerners had already had a worthy adversary by that time.
Having learned about the creation of miraculous weapons by the Confederates and fearing that with its help the enemy could easily defeat Washington, the federal government took an urgent response. In a matter of months, the “Monitor / Monitor” was born under the project of the Swedish emigrant John Erickson (translated from Latin - “mentor” - the name was invented by Erickson) - a completely new and unlike anything warship.

[GRAY]

Quote: Scoun

who gave the heat to "Merrimak" aka "Virginia".

Although Virginia was built using stealth technology, (note the shape of the superstructure ), in battle she was unlucky.

[marlin1203]

By the way, if this gun hits the zumwalt on board, it will strike .. that's ridiculous

[shuhartred]

Quote: marlin1203

By the way, if this gun hits the zumwalt on board, it will strike .. that's ridiculous

And if you landmine then finally sink, so what? KV-2 firing first and hitting any modern tank zaminusaet. So now do nothing or what? True photo test. So I want to shoot and see what happens.

[sir_obs]

They reinvented the wheel, made a submersible submarine, and called it the most recent destroyer. Now we are waiting for a movie from Hollywood as this newest invisibility smashes right and left evil in the universe.
In reality, they bang with the whole crew, no one even has time to get out.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: sir_obs

In reality, they bang with the whole crew, no one even has time to get out.

Even if someone succeeds in banging with a crew, 140 people and a displacement of 15 tons is not 000 people on the Atlanta with a displacement of 540 tons or 11490 people on the Ticonderogs with a displacement of 310 tons. I'm not talking about its possible firepower and ammunition.

[sir_obs]

And what is the problem of banging, especially with what size?

And what is his special firepower? Railgun or laser? And how does it already work with might and main?

High level of automation? So there are electronic warfare equipment for this and there is a very high probability that somewhere something will not work as it should.

And exotic forms will certainly not help him covertly goof something, unless they are going to use it against the Papuans.

[76SSSR]

It would not have happened as with the F-117 and B-2 in the end ...) Well, what about the Americans - they’ll still print the dough ...)

[Pimply]

Quote: 76SSSR

It would not have happened as with the F-117 and B-2 in the end ...) Well, what about the Americans - they’ll still print the dough ...)

What's wrong with them? Everything was ok with them. Thanks to them, the Americans got a breakthrough in technology. And 117 also worked well

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Pimply

What's wrong with them?

and you do not know))) 117 worked if not against a friendly regime (taking into account Boryan's policy) BUT, BUT, BUT he worked against our Soviet weapons, and we could not allow such showdowns "17 our missiles were falling, Russian missiles were center in the brain, rises by the wing of the firing line of planes with the 29th back barto

[Thunderbolt]

Yes, they worked 117))) they didn’t take off at all, (if there is a dock, prove), and we don’t believe it))) Evgeny, you really can work super well, Evgeny, with information. I’m all in attention ( ((Like three battalions.

[Pimply]

Quote: Thunderbolt

and you do not know))) 117 worked if not against a friendly regime (taking into account Boryan's policy) BUT, BUT, BUT he worked against our Soviet weapons, and we could not allow such showdowns "17 our missiles were falling, Russian missiles were center in the brain, rises by the wing of the firing line of planes with the 29th back barto

And the eternal battle

[marlin1203]

Well done! There will be something for the Chinese to "sbondit" for themselves. Yes, and it would not hurt us.

[Teplohod]

at first glance - some kind of crap, I don’t even want to watch the second time. I hope the sea will tear him away.

[SPACE]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

A new word of technology, comrades really move military affairs forward.

Yeah, I don’t think of a floating child prodigy with a streamlined iron, or a flying miracle with the aerodynamics of a poorly hewn ax
I don’t, I don’t understand these technical perversions, so look, under-plane, and such a sub-ship and an under-submarine, with a fighting ability such that it will drown from an airplane and will not sail far from a cruiser with a submarine. And why for the sake of destroying their own kind, exclusivity and fashion consumerism. In general, the idea of ​​secrecy or inconspicuousness, the fate of vile cowards, sooner or later, everything secret will become apparent.
Z.Y. More missiles, all sorts and different
So that vile filth did not form
Startup, and BSU missile strike
I’ll smash it at once, I love the child prodigy ...

[max702]

As it seems to me, we need to stop playing "boats" .. Isn't it our game, in which we are traditionally strong? In DB on the ground, rocketry and space, so we need to develop these areas, we are good at making submarines, as well as "we make rockets better than anyone else!" that's great ! Submarines as carriers of nuclear weapons and strike missiles of the "Caliber" type are ideal platforms, not visible, not audible, and not particularly expensive, the question is with target designation, and here is space to help, do enemy ships see satellites poorly? Well, it means there is a work front and it needs to be done, the rockets fly far, but there are questions about data transfer after launch? This means that there is something to improve, suppose the satellite sees any ship that is in the ocean, and the missiles may well receive information and work on changing target coordinates, and all any fleet can be written off! Now in rocketry we have come close to solving the problem of hypersound, and against such missiles, air defense is useless! The only thing left is to ensure target designation by introducing feedback into the missile guidance units .. Something tells me a pair of missiles for the same "Zumwalt" will be enough if you do not drown it, so you can deprive the combat capability of the latter for a long expensive repair .. In the future, the bet on space and rocket looks even more promising, bringing to mind these technologies will allow placing platforms with missile weapons in orbit, the reaction speed of which to the threat will be calculated in a couple of three minutes, for example, the platform is hanging in an orbit of 2000-3000 km, an order was received and the missiles worked on the target on the ground from speed of 30-50 km per second, for space these are the usual speeds, of course there are many problems and tasks to be solved both with rockets and target designation, but this path is much more promising than the construction of expensive pelvis, which often become obsolete even at the construction stage .. solving all the above tasks, the accompanying technologies will sharply tighten, which again will give e economic effect ..

[dvina71]

Quote: max702

As it seems to me, we need to stop playing "boats" .. Isn't it our game, in which we are traditionally strong? In DB on the ground, rocketry and space, so we need to develop this direction, we are good at making submarines, and also "we make rockets better than anyone else!" that's great ! Submarines as carriers of nuclear weapons and strike missiles of the "Caliber" type ideal platforms

Firstly .. Everyone is squinting at you ... Starting from Askold and Dir and ending with the admin. Kuznetsov.
Secondly .. How do you imagine the deployment of submarine forces in positional areas without covering surface ships? Will you send them to slaughter?
Third .. Chasing the military thought of the West is pointless. And acceptable to Zumwalt and even more so.
Not to mention the very controversial appearance. Excessive automation is also not the best step. In addition, an indirect screw drive is not such a novelty.
Well, the most prodigy, magnetic gun with hypersonic blank. Such ignorance of history and physics leads to the creation of such models. Story. Called aboard Japanese battleships and cruisers, Russian sailors noted a lot of penetrations in Japanese ships that did not cause damage. The shells simply flashed the sides without detonating. We are talking about 600m \ s and cemented armor. Speed ​​6000m \ s, the form of a blank specific to this speed and the lack of significant reservations on modern ships .. A very controversial venture.
As practice has shown .. A pack of cheap carriers of expensive weapons is very effective.

[I am Groot]

you cannot hide from the caliber and the flurry

[kil 31]

However, the developers believe that "this type of hull, together with its finishing with radio-absorbing materials, makes the ship unobtrusive to radar."

I have a question. Should sustainability be sacrificed if radar generations change faster than building a ship?

[Santa Fe]

Quote: keel 31

I have a question. Is it worth sacrificing sustainability

There is no sustainability problem there

and where to get it from. a pyramid is always more stable than a cube and a parallelepiped
turn on your own brain sometimes

[favn]

It is on a hard surface. This papelats must move on water. Hence, not stability, but stability arises, and for stability it is necessary to underestimate the center of gravity as much as possible. Optimum - below water level. For the pyramid, this will turn out an acute angle down. Sometimes turn on your own brain)))

[Santa Fe]

Quote: favn

Optimum - below water level. For the pyramid it will turn out an acute angle down

The underwater part of the Zwolvt hull is shaped like a regular ship
"acute angle down"

on top is a truncated pyramid. why should he have problems with stability?

Quote: favn

Sometimes turn on your own brain)))

another great thinker

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

on top is a truncated pyramid. why should he have problems with stability?

I support you. Medieval shipbuilders built just such ships and they withstood almost any storms and did not roll over. They didn’t have a keel and they didn’t really need it, because at the bottom in the holds was ballast.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

There is no sustainability problem there

and where to get it from. a pyramid is always more stable than a cube and a parallelepiped

Oleg, there are no questions with the stability of the pyramids, BUT ON THE EARTH, NOT ON THE SEA, with rolling and gale!
And what to do with the flow, and yet another keel under water ...

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Starover_Z

BUT ON THE EARTH, NOT ON THE SEA

at sea does the gravity vector change direction?

Quote: Starover_Z

And what to do with the flow, and yet another keel under water ...

Where do ordinary ships go?

what is wrong with the keel?

[Starover_Z]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

at sea does the gravity vector change direction?

The vector does not change, no matter how we discuss it here, but in such a dense and fluid medium, the action of the applied forces is specific. I did not ship, only express my point of view.

Quote: Алексей_К

There is no deep keel on modern ships.

So the behavior of a vessel with such a "sailing" superstructure in a storm with a small keel is interesting.
Actually, it seems that they wrote for this vessel that it is 2-keel ...
How will it behave in a storm?

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Starover_Z

Quote: Алексей_К
There is no deep keel on modern ships.
So the behavior of a vessel with such a "sailing" superstructure in a storm with a small keel is interesting.
Actually, it seems that they wrote for this vessel that it is 2-keel ...
How will it behave in a storm?

These ships, of medieval times, conquered the seas and oceans for several centuries. They made great geographical discoveries, fought and didn’t drown just like that, remember that they were wooden, i.e. less durable compared to steel ships.
Or do you not believe that such ships existed? But they did not turn over because the correctly calculated ballast in the hold on the bottom allowed them not to sink even in storms.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Starover_Z

But still a keel under water ...

This is not a yacht that requires a deep keel, and even with a counterweight, because there is a high mast with a sail, which is pressed by the wind and the yacht without a keel can roll over,. There is no deep keel on modern ships.

[kil 31]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Quote: keel 31

I have a question. Is it worth sacrificing sustainability

There is no sustainability problem there

and where to get it from. a pyramid is always more stable than a cube and a parallelepiped
turn on your own brain sometimes

Dear, I turn on my brain, so you read the article poorly.

Earlier, the destroyer was criticized for instability, which, according to experts, was the result of "an unusual type of hull with a broken silhouette, reminiscent of old ships.

Tell US experts about the pyramids.

[adept666]

Earlier, the destroyer was criticized for instability, which, according to experts, was the result of "an unusual type of hull with a broken silhouette, reminiscent of old ships.

Are experts British scientists?

[Major_Vortex]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Quote: keel 31

I have a question. Is it worth sacrificing sustainability

There is no sustainability problem there

and where to get it from. a pyramid is always more stable than a cube and a parallelepiped
turn on your own brain sometimes

Stability with such contours is just not very good. Typical victim of "stealth technology" (I'm talking about the ship).

[dauria]

Stability at such contours is just not very

Yes, nothing can be said about stability without knowing how the heavy units were assembled. Maybe "Vanka-Vstanka" (toy-tumbler). And if there are any problems, it will be a "diving" of the nose at full speed with strong excitement. Although, there are no fools sitting there, they probably took it into account. Another surprised me. destroyers were formed as a class of cheap universal ships for air defense and anti-aircraft missile defense of other "troughs". And such a thing is itself a seductive goal, dearer than those it protects.

[adept666]

I have a question. Should sustainability be sacrificed if radar generations change faster than building a ship?

The ship had not yet had time to go to sea, but do you already know its stability and the fact that it is bad? Why do you think so?

[kil 31]

Quote: adept666

I have a question. Should sustainability be sacrificed if radar generations change faster than building a ship?

The ship had not yet had time to go to sea, but do you already know its stability and the fact that it is bad? Why do you think so?

Exactly, neither you nor I know anything about him. In this regard, I trust their experts, they know better than us.

[adept666]

Exactly, neither you nor I know anything about him. In this regard, I trust their experts, they know better than us.

Experts concept is extensible. We on REN TV also sit in all kinds of programs and Experts say such tales sometimes. Specifically, who is it desirable to speak with names?

[NEXUS]

Looking at this photo and reading such news, one thought comes to mind - We would rather start building Leaders and Squalls.

[Thunderbolt]

We will get money for project development and production development out of thin air. - Where is the money, Billy ..? Are you aware that the price per barrel has dropped sharply, and the ruble is rigidly tied to this "trend" ..? As a result, the depreciation of the national currency and a reduction in foreign exchange earnings (with our economy designed for export). domestic policy, when social guarantees do not allow for a bold economic policy, because. otherwise they will sweep away like Nikolashka and Gorbach. Leaders and Gusts --- Gusts and Leaders, Nexus, you liked the opening of the Olympics in Sochi how our leaders were drowning in the light of the soffitof. Leader at a cost of many billions. And then there was a salute --- Urya, we won --- here you are Flurry.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Grandmas for project development and production development will be extracted from the air. -Where is the money, Billy ..?

The money should be sought from those thieving governors and Serdyukovs with Chubais, Harry! Calculate at least approximately how much our bureaucrats steal, I think there will be more than one for a good aircraft carrier fleet. So I don't need to "push" about the barrel and about the Olympics. this is the work of the prosecutor's office and the relevant services.
Tyagachev was such a citizen in the 90s. Didn’t you hear? So his American secret services recognized him as the most cost-effective spy in the history of espionage who sold the country. Thanks to this geek and his work, the Americans received materials on our friend or foe system, after which we in a hurry, I had to redo this system. And this is billions of dollars. And this is one of the episodes of this traitor. According to some reports, by his espionage he caused financial harm to the country in several hundred billion green wrappers. And he was not alone, there were others ( horse much less fortunate) .And this is counterintelligence, and of course intelligence.
Best regards

[NEXUS]

Quote: NEXUS

In the 90s there was such a citizen Tyagachev.

Sorry, not Tyagachev, but Adolf Tolkachev

[adept666]

Looking at this photo and reading such news, one thought comes to mind - We would rather start building Leaders and Squalls.

This is an experienced ship and the big series will not likely be. Moreover, the two following from the first will differ in the materials of the superstructure (i.e., US shipbuilders are still in search of forms and ideas). And we would like to master the good frigates of the 22350 project with a serious series, so that all components are ours and of good quality and delivered by subcontractors on time (this is what the USA can envy for - logistics and production technologies, not DDG-1000). So far, we cannot really launch ships with a displacement of 4500 tons without a hitch, and you’re talking about destroyers of 12-15 thousand tons. That's when the project will take 22350-2,5 years from laying to be adopted by us at 3, and when there will be at least 12-16 of them in the fleet, then we can talk about some destroyers.

[pts-m]

Successful immersion of this Yankiv “washing” machine! Without lifting to the surface.!

[Santa Fe]

It's okay, America will collapse very soon and the dollar will depreciate

Putin announced the collapse of the global economy with the price of oil at 80 dollars (ASEM summit, Milan, 17.10.2014)

[rotmistr60]

Putin announced the collapse of the global economy at a price of oil at $ 80

And this is so sideways to the American destroyer you respect so much.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

It's kind of like sarcasm.

[rotmistr60]

I understood sarcasm and the upholding of the American and the great too. It’s just that for them (a certain part of visitors) it has already become the norm in any case, but GDP must be mentioned with a subtle emphasis.

[Frigate]

The newest destroyer of the USA has begun tests

That he would count all reefs and shallows. ))))

[Maxom75]

The radio range is invisible, but in the thermal, and in the optical, but from the satellite? For that kind of money, it was possible to build three submarines and they are neither visible nor audible, and in terms of armament they are not much inferior. I don’t see any reason to swing into such projects, a lot of money is being spent, and if something is cut down and destroyed by electromagnetic radiation from nuclear weapons.

[Bongo]

Quote: Maxom75

The radio range is invisible, but in the thermal, and in the optical, but from the satellite?

From the satellite it is quite (in the picture). Another question is that now, unlike Soviet times, we do not have satellites similar to the Soviet Legend intelligence system, whose spacecraft tracked the movement of the American fleet in real time and could issue target designations to anti-ship Soviet strike systems.

[Mareman Vasilich]

The device is serious, underestimating it is tantamount to stupidity and stupidity. Unfortunately, after the collapse of the USSR, promising military developments were completely degraded here. All that is is the legacy of the Soviet system. Catch up with a long and painful, and then not with the current system. In terms of quantity and quality, we are seriously inferior to the amers in the Navy and the Air Force. Shapkozakidatelstvo to good will not bring. But here, instead of seriously dealing with the country and its protection, they carry out desovetization and de-Stalinization. When officials and deputies with ministers think about their pockets in the first place, then there is no time to think about the country and its defenses.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Maxom75

but in the heat

also smaller than other ships of a similar class

Quote: Maxom75

and in the optical

it is unlikely that he will allow himself to admire himself with binoculars in the war zone

Quote: Maxom75

and from the satellite?

experts say almost unseen

he, due to the specific contours and the system of supplying air to the screws and the drive part, has an indistinguishable wake trace

the main unmasking factor when observing a ship from orbit

[seregatara1969]

the air at the screws will probably cause cavitation and noise in the water

[GRAY]

Quote: Maxom75

Radio range he is invisible

Why is he invisible? This steamer is the size of the Titanic, its visibility is reduced but no more.

[rotmistr60]

If a resident of Wildwoods said invisible, then the Russians simply must not see him either through binoculars or on radars. Americans have always gravitated towards anything big, powerful, and fearsome.

[Teplohod]

to the invisible. it seems to me that they even chose the last President on this principle

[kote119]

the class is progressively impressive. It is bad that not our country displays such a ship.

[nik39reg]

This .... Sailing add-on is impressive ... This is, so to speak, a "miracle" of amerovskoy engineering thought not afraid to turn upside down on a good wave?

[Santa Fe]

Quote: nik39reg

roll upside down on a good wave?

15 thousand tons, height with a sixteen-story house

the hippopotamus sees poorly, but this is not his problem (s)
the analogy, I think, is clear. find such a wave

[ArcanAG]

A high wave is usually accompanied by a strong wind. High windage is not good.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: ArcanAG

A high wave is usually accompanied by a strong wind. High windage is not good.

To a high wave, the ship almost always turns around with its bow. A high-storm storm is an element and ships, although they can fight in a storm, but in the majority they will simply fight for unsinkability and survival. You just can’t imagine how many failures of various mechanisms occur in a high-storm storm.

[nik39reg]

I agree if the hippo runs at you, and if in a tree? With this windage, in the event of a high-storm storm, until it turns across the wave .......

[seos]

2 towers on the bow with what guns?

[Santa Fe]

Quote: seos

2 towers on the bow with what guns?

155 mm, long-range
in b / c there are guided shells

Ammunition - 900 Shots
guided missile shell with bottom gas generator (102 kg) - twice as heavy as conventional six-inch shells

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: seos

2 towers on the bow with what guns?

Retractable guns.

[Tor5]

Well, if people were able to embody the achievements of engineering in metal, honor and praise them. Another question is where, against whom and, most importantly, WHO will decide how to use this "metal".

[protos187]

Iron, he is an iron in Africa.

[rumiigo]

More like a coffin

[nagel_Oz]

Right! Such a dear, and at the bottom it will look epic ...

[Taranchello]

I venture to run into cons, but 140 crew members on a 15000-ton destroyer are really impressive, and no matter what I say, I think that the ship will be brought to mind, although I would like for a completely different one ...

[prabiz]

Actually it’s interesting to see what this shell can do?

[Svarog5570]

the destroyer can be the same epic as the F-35, the main thing is that our developers implement their advanced technologies in domestic weapons on time.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Svarog5570

the destroyer can be the same epic as the F-35, the main thing is that our developers implement their advanced technologies in domestic weapons on time.

Our fleet is seen by Russian shipbuilders in 2020 as follows:

[Vadim237]

By 2040 I’m sooner, but for now we have no achievements in shipbuilding.

[Engineer]

Well, a rocket aboard, stranded under the keel, Khibiny over your head, Zamvolt

[SmacXnumx]

Kind of like a science fiction movie, but with the characteristics of how?

[vadimtt]

Why are you so jealous of this ship? In military terms, it does not represent any value, from the word at all. And as a laboratory, it’s quite good for itself, in fact, this is what serialization and cost say.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: vadimtt

Why are you so jealous of this ship? In military terms, it does not represent any value, from the word at all. And as a laboratory, it’s quite good for itself, in fact, this is what serialization and cost say.

Squadron destroyers of the Zamvolt type are a new type of destroyer destroyers with missile weapons, with emphasis on coastal and ground attack. The first destroyer launched on October 29 2013 of the year. The destroyers of this series are multi-purpose and are designed to attack the enemy on the coast, combat enemy aircraft and fire support of troops from the sea.
Armament:
Radar weapons - AN / SPY-3;
Tactical strike weapons - 80 Tomahawk missiles;
Artillery - 2 × 155-mm AU AGS (920 shots, of which 600 in automatic loaders):
Anti-aircraft artillery - 2 × 57-mm AU Mk. 110;
Missile weapons - RIM-162 ESSM;
Anti-submarine weapons- RUM-139 VL-Asroc;
Aviation group - 1 × helicopter SH-60 LAMPS, 3 × UAV MQ-8 Fire Scout.

[vadimtt]

You forgot to add the cost to the list of TTX. Crystal gun, alas.
And 80 cells per 15000 tons versus 96 cells per 10000 tons at ArlyBerk?
Just an expensive experiment. IMHO of course, because it’s never naval.

[Vadim237]

And who said that there are 80 cells for cruise missiles.

[vadimtt]

As far as I understand, both there and there are universal cells. Instead of one cruise missile, either one long-range air defense / missile defense system or 4 medium-range air defense systems are installed.

[Mihalich17]

As one wise and old friend used to say:
"The higher the" crap "above sea level, the faster it goes to the bottom!"
And this is a straight pyramid tower!)))

[zllllo]

140 crew members, in 10 commandos you can capture him ?!

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: zllllo

140 crew members, in 10 commandos you can capture him ?!

If they can penetrate undetected and know the internal layout, you can try, but this is not feasible in the raid and it’s easier to launch in the port

[Gavril]

Reading the comments of some comrades, I would like to ask what size cap to throw?

[GAF]

"... and is intended both for combating enemy ground forces and for fire support from the sea and ..."
So is it an amphibian or something. And to what depth of land it can penetrate for this fight, if the fire support from the sea is not enough.

[vonWolfenstein]

A bit like the Confederate battleship Merrimack

[Manager]

Handsome, you can’t say anything!
God forbid we should even build shipyards, on which it will be possible to build such ships. And then all boats and boats ...

[Kibl]

Iron, of course, it will be inconspicuous if it lies at the bottom!

[cniza]

Quote: KIBL

Iron, of course, it will be inconspicuous if it lies at the bottom!

You also need to understand how to move it there.

[Manager]

They will say that the cruiser Moscow will tear it to pieces)))))

[Namba Six]

Quote: I am Groot

you cannot hide from the caliber and the flurry

The flurry range is 12-13 km, try to approach this distance. And coming up, get in - this missile launcher lacks the possibility of homing (high-speed costs). And are these wunderwaffles in service at the moment?
And the caliber will be shot down by the SM-6, which is planned to replace the outdated SM of the previous series in 2016. At the exercises in 2014, the "six" (with a homing missile from the aim-120) hit a supersonic low-flying simulator. 1 target - 1 missile. How many of these SMS can a Samwalt carry, huh?

[Doomph]

http://td-41.livejournal.com/216644.html - первое, что выплыло в сети. Так что на 7км. подойти к амерскому ордеру думаю будет сложно, но возможно.

[tlauicol]

anti-aircraft guns never installed

[Santa Fe]

bet on active remedies)))

[TOR2]

At one time when the F-117 was being developed, the geometry of the body was sacrificed for the sake of invisibility. Flight performance worsened, and the myth of invisibility dispelled our old complex. Time will tell how viable the project is.

[LINKor55]

Invisibility - only lateral? From above it is visible and not masked by anything.
Excessive reliance on electronics - even if a projectile with an electro-magnetic impulse NEARS NEAR, then weapons and smart shells will become useless scrap.
As for buoyancy, I think the Americans have relied again on electronics: additional ballast, calculation of the trajectory of movement.
I agree with the opinion that this toy is from the category of F-35 or Valkyrie.
If we take into account that modern conflicts are mainly resolved by aviation (and not by tanks and ships, although it is also impossible without them), then as they say, I don’t care from which side he has panama.

[guzik007]

I can’t say anything, but I ran over the minus plus, replaced :-)

[salad]

This vryatli will turn over, the trash of the 70s is lined with plywood and is well painted inside the slaves they turn the screws on the principle of a bicycle chain with pedals, so his footprint is not visible, but in general it looks like an inflatable boat, drive fishing

[chunga-changa]

All operate with some kind of interest, not understandable approximate amounts, different numbers there, which each turns in its own direction. For so long, spears have been breaking, that it would be easier to calculate the real project in real amounts and make a plate from which everything would be simple and clear, and simply send all consonants-dissenters to it.
SW author, take a typical design of a modern ship, for example, the same Burke. Based on it, make a sketch of the armored destroyer with the same armament and speed, and the comparative costs and the effects obtained will immediately be clear, otherwise an unproven transfusion from empty to empty is obtained.
I believe that it’s possible and necessary to build well-armored ships, there’s no point in just making them less than 20.000 tons.

[dchegrinec]

A beautiful bird flies beautifully! This ship, just a natural ship's perversion. For the sake of stealth, so go into ugliness, because ultimately it will not help him at all.

[Mareman Vasilich]

Quote: cniza

The fact that the ship is of genuine interest, of course, and I really want to understand how we will answer? ... with an "anti-ship" or a ship of a higher class?

A ship of a higher class is unlikely, there are no funds, no opportunities, no scientific foundation for this. Rather, as a "protivokarable", in this area not everything is still collapsed, although the lack of personnel is already strongly felt.

[Conscience]

if everything is tight - you can immerse yourself in water

[dzvero]

As a technology demonstrator and experimental platform, the ship was undoubtedly a success.
But, reading about weapons and scope, I can’t understand what is its superiority over similar ships and especially over multi-purpose submarines? Is this one of the reasons for the sharp reduction in the series from thirty to three?

[voyaka uh]

He has long-range artillery. A shot is much cheaper than
a missile shot from a submarine, and much more ammunition.
But the sharp benefit will be only when the guns become
electric (railgun). To do this at
a powerful power plant is envisioned.

[ZAV69]

At such distances at which it is stated in terms of the use of the reb, the percentage of hit will be like under Jutland. And to them the railgun as far as the moon

[lunoxod]

All pr waves and about the wind. And as with the ice guys. Will it go under the ice?

[Santa Fe]

Quote: lunoxod

Will it go under the ice?

where did you see ice in the atlantic, pacific and indian oceans

[lunoxod]

As the Arctic, and they hope to capture us.

[kote119]

and our ships in the Arctic that go to the icebreakers are similar?

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: lunoxod

As the Arctic, and they hope to capture us.

They only burn us into nuclear ashes, they understand this, and it will be the warm seas of Asia

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Thunderbolt

Grandmas for project development and production development will be extracted from the air. -Where is the money, Billy ..?

The money should be sought from those thieving governors and Serdyukovs with Chubais, Harry! Calculate at least approximately how much our bureaucrats steal, I think there will be more than one for a good aircraft carrier fleet. So I don't need to "push" about the barrel and about the Olympics. this is the work of the prosecutor's office and the relevant services.
Tyagachev was such a citizen in the 90s. Didn’t you hear? So his American secret services recognized him as the most cost-effective spy in the history of espionage who sold the country. Thanks to this geek and his work, the Americans received materials on our friend or foe system, after which we in a hurry, I had to redo this system. And this is billions of dollars. And this is one of the episodes of this traitor. According to some reports, by his espionage he caused financial harm to the country in several hundred billion green wrappers. And he was not alone, there were others ( horse much less fortunate) .And this is counterintelligence, and of course intelligence.
Best regards

You need to earn money and protect against repeated thefts, but there is nothing to look for, everything is washed there and taken to a safe place, except to find and see.

[theadenter]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

A new word of technology, comrades really move military affairs forward.

This is when they managed to become comrades for us?

[gammipapa]

Well guess what? , while nothing special is known.
But it’s well known about the miracle of engineering, the invisible plane, the super duper the latest developments of the F-35. How was they admired (how much dough was ditched) and what? Yes, no ice already, no one is in a hurry to buy, and Americans are no longer enthusiastic.
Wait and see .
My opinion is that radars will still see it from far away, but the payload on the deck with such forms is many times less.