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Impressions of a Canadian from post-Ukraine: times were worse, but ...

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Visited Kiev and surroundings. It has long been not more than two years, the last time - in September 2013. Shocked by what he saw and heard. If to summarize, then at the human level, - a catastrophe, from which no one sees, and even the very possibility of exit - they stopped believing.

The sharply falling incomes, the lack of work are often combined in the heads of Ukrainians with the belief that “America will force Russia and force the Crimea back.”
A representative of the Ukrainian diaspora in Canada shared his impressions of a visit to the Ukrainian capital at a forum on the web, where he spoke about prices, people's moods and the condition of streets. Last time, the current resident of Canada was in the Ukrainian capital in September 2013, and noted that over the past two years, there have been dramatic changes. About this reports portal RusVesna.

At the very beginning of his story, the author honestly admits that he is shocked by what he saw and heard. On the human level, he writes, a natural catastrophe occurs, from which no one sees it, and there is not even much hope for it. Even in the 90-s, half of which the author lived in Kiev, the society did not feel such a moral decline. “Then there were more difficult problems, say, there was no gas at all for weeks, for months they did not pay pensions and salaries, but even then I don’t remember such a shame and such hopelessness in the votes,” the author writes.

During his trip, the author was able to communicate with a variety of people - young and old, poor and very well-off, Kievans and residents of the province, in other words, turned out to be “a fairly representative sample of Ukrainian society”. The optimist among these people met only one - he had the opportunity to move after his wife to Europe.

Going to the hairdresser and finding that prices here fell from 60 to 30 hryvnia, the author asked the hairdresser, a girl of 20 years, the question why nobody smiles in the city, and received a simple answer: “And why the hell are you smiling: everyone thinks where to earn at least some money to somehow survive. And no one knows what will happen tomorrow, but no one expects a good one. ”

This idea was later heard by the author many times from all sorts of people - taxi drivers, salesmen, friends and relatives: the financial situation has deteriorated a lot and there is no hope for improvement.

The author writes that now there is a lot of talk about politics, geopolitics, economics, but for some reason, ordinary people live in Ukraine, they are rarely remembered. “I will try to fill this gap even a little and tell about the genocide with the words of these people whom no one sees, no one hears.”

Further in the story are some characteristic sketches. In the morning after the flight, the author decided, without losing time, to go to Kremenchug - to visit the sisters and visit his father’s grave. While I was walking to the station in the Solomenka district, I saw a picture of complete ruin: potholes covered in asphalt, the hatches were covered with boards, rubbish was lying around, homeless people were digging in it.

“At the station itself is gray, but more or less. I found the bus for a short time - the price went up from 50 to 120 hryvnia in two years, well, in my pocket - even cheaper, it turns out, - the author writes. - And the price of gasoline, I must say, somewhere on the 20 UAH / liter, i.e. 1 Canadian is exactly the Canadian price as it was two years ago, i.e. definitely lost earnings. "

During the trip, the author noted that many cafes and gas stations appeared along the road: small business in Ukraine is well developed, better than in Canada - many establishments are open around the clock, Ukrainians work hard and try hard. True, whether they manage to earn a lot is another question, the author writes. Yes, the population is not passive, it works, but that's all positive news economies are running out. "For a quarter of a century, nothing new," the author writes.

At the bus stop behind Pereyaslav, the author entered the cafe, looked at the prices: around 40 hryvnia for the dish. After stopping, a soldier hooked up in a minibus, who was escorted by a pregnant wife with a small child. “A sad spectacle! Already in the minibus he got a mobile phone and started talking to someone for service, judging by his conversation, he is a simple rural man, and in part there are no the most basic things - that's what he was trying to solve with someone, ”writes traveler.

Two fresh graves struck the cemetery: the heroes of the ATO, 36 and 37 years. From conversations, the author learned that there are already about ten dead in the area - more than for the whole of Afghanistan.

The sister said that she had just been left without work, where she had previously received 3 thousand hryvnia, and did not know how to live. In her arms - the daughter of 11 years, no husband. We went to another sister, whose family lives up well by local standards, but even here they heard complaints: the business sank by several times. A second cousin, a big police officer in the area, went to the ATO. It lives well, but the complaints are the same: the salary has dropped to 300 dollars, the son (police officer) is in Donbas, there is no reason to talk about a quiet life.

In the evening, already in Kiev, the author went down into the subway and noted that the overwhelming majority of people speak Russian. There are phrases, words in Ukrainian, but mostly “around absolutely Russian people”, approximately 90%.

Another sketch is about the life of visitors in Kiev, who are trying to make money in the capital in order to feed the remaining family in the province. An Xerox stall worker in the transition, an 31-year-old native of the Vinnytsia region, said that at home he could find work only for 1200 hryvnias, in Kiev it turns out "like everyone else" - from 4 000 to 5 000 hryvnias. There are many problems in the provinces, one of them is with medicine. Earlier in each village there was an outpatient station and a medical assistant, but now there is only one left for the district. Free nothing is done, the birth of his wife cost in 8 000 hryvnia. The pressure pills for the retired mom cost 45 hryvnas in the spring, now 105 hryvnias. “With regard to pensioners, the tactics chosen are the following: the pension should provide bread and water, and the slightest health problems - and the end, or a serious blow to relatives. No help from the state at all, ”concludes the author.

Taxi drivers, of which there are many in Kiev, also tell a lot of interesting things. “Earnings fell to clean food and the most necessary repairs,” one said. - And two years ago it was bad, but now it’s all pipets. And the worst thing is that it’s not that there’s no light at the end of the tunnel, but there’s no hope at all — only worse and worse. ”

The opinion of taxi drivers was of interest to the author, not least because 2 a year ago, it was from a taxi driver that he heard detailed and emotional curses about the “gangster Yanukovich” and complaints about the devastation in Kiev, etc.

I also saw the author with college friends with whom 35 has been friends for years. At a meeting in a cafe (coffee - at quite Canadian prices, at 30 hryvnia), one of the old comrades said that already 2 of the year without work (previously he was a medium-sized official in the bank), is interrupted by small earnings. With the "tyrant" (as the author is ironically called Yanukovych), he received 8000 hryvnia, and now more than 3000 hryvnia does not give anywhere. The mood was depressed, and the author did not even remind his friend that 2 a year ago he excitedly talked about the brilliant prospects of Ukraine.

With the second comrade nearly got out a scandal. On the contrary, things are going well for him. The rhetoric is expected: “America will force Russia to a fortune-teller do not go, and they will force Crimea to return”, “America gives us 300 million, their instructor will teach our soldiers, give javelins,” if not for this bastard (Putin), then all it would be good, and we would be in Europe ", etc.

The report is accompanied by a number of fresh photos of Kiev. “For me, the Lugansk provincial, struck in 1981 with beauty and order, the present state of the city is a heartache,” the author comments on his pictures. There are potholes on the sidewalks, mud, while on the street and in the subway there are a lot of fresh advertising on the theme of the Holodomor and Maidan anniversaries.

During his stay in Kiev, the author visited his old bank chief. “From the postgraduate school he made a dizzying career, and, without exaggeration, in any Kiev office, he was not poor, but he kept quite modest. In the past five years, he faded into the background, his former subordinates run the National Bank, many commercial banks, sit in all the main offices of Kiev - he remains in the shadows, health problems have affected, and the time has probably changed. ”

Now this person is engaged in agribusiness, things are going well, the production of oilseeds for 15 has quadrupled, export has been adjusted. Ukrainian agribusiness generally concentrates very quickly. There is almost no free land, all of it is divided between agroholdings managing areas from 50 to 400 thousand hectares. The efficiency of land use has increased in comparison with Soviet times.

In a conversation about politics, the former head of the author said that the elite increasingly converges on the idea that it is better to cut off the Donbass and begin to put the remaining territory in order. At the personal level, everything remains the same: “They continue to steal. Moreover, if Petit is being stolen more or less rationally, then Senya and his team are pulling everything that is badly lying absolutely open and stupid. ”

Poroshenko, in his words, drinks "no more than usual by our standards." Then he started scolding Russia, Putin. “I was silent - if such porridge fits in the head of such an intelligent and experienced person, then there is only one explanation for this: the personal interest of the Ukrelita to which he belongs, in the continuation of the banquet at any cost,” concluded the author. “The conclusion to which he finally pushed me: ukrelita mentally cannot escape from a skillfully placed trap, in which, defending her right to milk the feeding territory, she will bring it to complete ruin, and herself to self-destruction.

The author also met with his nephew, whom he had once attached to the bank. He made a career, was promoted to the director of the department, but soon moved to Western Europe - after his wife, who was offered to move to the European office of her company. “The prospects for Ukraine are poorly visible if such people leave it - young professionals, absolutely prosperous and wealthy,” the author says.

Author childhood friend dealing with aviation business in Africa and business often in Ukraine, spoke about the situation in this industry. With the collapse of the Union, Ukraine received many IL-76s, ANs, as well as ANTK and aircraft factories. Now, “absolutely everything has been lost, the last remaining aircraft that have been flying off the resource that was originally laid down in them for a long time and only thanks to its endless extension are finalizing their resource.”

There have been worse times, but there was no mean things, the author quotes the classic. At a minimum, “even father and son Khmelnytsky, Doroshenko, Bryukhovetsky, etc., did not think that Ukrainians had returned to the“ full ”of Tatars and Turks did not think of such meanness as the current genocide of their own population.

“Thoughts of humorous Ukrainians that were sung by the Hetmans even sold their people into slavery, buying Tatar cavalry and Turkish troops, this is somehow understandable, and the current ones simply stupidly exhaust the people to purely reduce the expenditure items of the budget, and trade Ukrainian blood for the right to plunder the rest. Much like it, for my taste. "
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  1. Sirgrey
    Sirgrey 9 December 2015 05: 26 New
    -22
    It may be bad now, but Ukraine has achieved its goal, split off from the empire and opened the door to Europe.
    1. Cetegg
      Cetegg 9 December 2015 05: 29 New
      31
      Ahahaha)))) Directly the first comment amused very much!))) Ukraine is not in Europe, it is in ... ope! And the further the more reliable and denser! PS They drove it there with the whole "democratic" world, and then we will pick it out and clatter it again!
      1. Sirgrey
        Sirgrey 9 December 2015 05: 36 New
        -11
        Quote: Cetegg
        Just the first comment was very amusing!))

        Believe me, it will be 5 years and our residents will remember that the grandparents were Ukrainians. Queues in the OVIR will stand.
        It was already like the Baltic states in the European Union accepted. And this is strange that no one is fleeing from there, although they are not equal in rights and the status of non-citizens.
        1. B.T.V.
          B.T.V. 9 December 2015 05: 39 New
          +9
          Quote: SirGrey
          It was already like the Baltic states in the European Union accepted. And this is strange that no one is fleeing from there, although they are not equal in rights and the status of non-citizens.


          Do you yourself believe in what you wrote ?!
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 9 December 2015 06: 17 New
            +5
            And the text of an article about Ukraine
            There were worse times, but there was no mean ... such meanness as the current genocide of its own population

            And everything has already been said!
            However, everything will be much worse in Ukraine colonized by Americans.
            1. sinoptic
              sinoptic 9 December 2015 13: 40 New
              +1
              That’s the trick that they don’t understand. We have problems with the Russians.
              In Ukraine, they will drink Coca-Cola, eat hamburgers, tr @ .. be each other in ... Euro value and consider that life was a success. All.
              They have no problems at all.

              How much does a tree need? Rain and the sun and life was a success.
              So there.
              They will be reduced to the Papuans ... and what are the needs of the Papuans?
              You don’t need to fly into space, warships and aircraft aren’t necessary, factories on electronics ... yes what for them. Feed the tree and there will be happiness.
              So there are problems in Russia, not in Ukraine. :)
        2. izya top
          izya top 9 December 2015 05: 40 New
          +6
          Quote: SirGrey
          Believe me, it will be 5 years and our residents will remember that the grandparents were Ukrainians. Queues in the OVIR will stand.

          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 9 December 2015 06: 20 New
            0
            Is it impossible to have two at once (as in the USA and Israel)? ...And why?
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          1. Sirgrey
            Sirgrey 9 December 2015 05: 50 New
            -1
            Quote: Cetegg
            What is there in 5 years, I think in 1.5 years in Ukraine they will find oil and gas!

            Yes there is gas there, and even quite enough. google
            Quote: Cetegg
            My friend, either stop using drugs or go to "censor.no")

            Why? There are exactly the same morons gathered - view in profile

            And if objectively, then it’s really better to live in the European Union, so Ukraine wants to go there.
          2. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 9 December 2015 08: 24 New
            +6
            I think in 1.5 years in Ukraine they will find oil and gas!
            I don’t know how gas is, but tar can be found and start production from ... the roadbed. For example, as in the past, reinforcement from reinforced concrete structures was mined in villages.
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 9 December 2015 09: 52 New
              +2
              There is gas in Ukraine, it could provide consumer consumers, but not industry. This is the catch. They sold their gas, and bought it to the residents. Feel the difference in price?
      2. Voha_krim
        Voha_krim 9 December 2015 07: 43 New
        10
        From the Open letter of the former US Secretary to all Ukrainians

        There has never been a Maidan, your Maidan, dear Ukrainians.
        There never was an Orange Revolution for building a "democratic state" in Ukraine; it was a fake, a fiction.
        What you call the Maidan was a blatant American invasion carried out with the help of non-governmental organizations, intelligence services, US mercenaries and EU representatives, as well as the famous figure that the United States spent on developing democracy in Ukraine.

        Full text at http://www.trinitas.ru/eng/doc/0012/001e/00123543.htm

        One pity - in Ukraine, few will read this letter crying
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 9 December 2015 15: 01 New
          0
          Voha_krim (2)
          From the Open letter of the former US Secretary to all Ukrainians
          Full text at http://www.trinitas.ru/eng/doc/0012/001e/00123543.htm
          Dear Voha_krim (2)!
          Thank you for the important information!
          I read the entire American letter from your link and even copied it as useful information not only for Ukrainians, but also for citizens of all post-Soviet states.
          To you from me +
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      3. avdkrd
        avdkrd 9 December 2015 11: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: Cetegg
        they drove her there with the whole "democratic" world, and then we would pick it out and clatter it again!

        Something I do not want to pick out the Ukraine from the one she rode to. It will be possible to talk about something with this country and people when all the heroes who set fire to the House of Trade Unions will hang on the lanterns as they should. So far, they have only a hangover from the Maidan seagull, but as before, Russia is to blame for all the troubles. We must really forget about this country. We have already heard about the "non-brothers", it's time to agree with them. I hope that no matter what, by 2017, the transit of gas through 404 will stop, given the current Ukrainian government, maintaining diplomatic relations in general looks stupid. Russia is called an aggressor ten times a week, Poroshenko regularly reports that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are fighting with the Russian Army, Yaytsenyukh refused to buy gas, seemingly as unnecessary. It would be nice if Gazprom, referring to the decision of the Ukrainian government, announced the redirection of gas from which Ukraine refused, say, to China, and if "suddenly" Ukraine needs Russian gas again, justify its new price, which will cover the costs.
    2. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 9 December 2015 05: 35 New
      +7
      Quote: SirGrey
      It may be bad now, but Ukraine has achieved its goal, split off from the empire and opened the door to Europe.


      "Blessed is he who believes."
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 9 December 2015 08: 26 New
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        This is not a door, this is a hatch ... And not on a European street, but on a European sewer. And even in a cattle cemetery.
      2. Sasha_Sar
        Sasha_Sar 9 December 2015 10: 32 New
        +1
        The main thing is not to pinch your nose ...
    3. Constructor1
      Constructor1 9 December 2015 05: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: SirGrey
      It may be bad now, but Ukraine has achieved its goal, split off from the empire and opened the door to Europe.

      Aha, Gayrope! Europe, which for centuries lived at the expense of wars and plunder of colonies, and then the "colony" itself came and on the rug at the door to ask wassat
    4. Name
      Name 9 December 2015 05: 55 New
      18
      Quote: SirGrey
      It may be bad now, but Ukraine has achieved its goal, split off from the empire and opened the door to Europe.

      I especially liked your "opened the door to Europe) ... laughing Old, but I repeat:
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 9 December 2015 07: 50 New
        +4
        with the belief that "America will pump Russia and Crimea will be forced to return."
        This was not to be believed, you are our gullibles, but at least in God. There is more hope for Him than for America. Which by the way, and bent you, but you did not notice. (Throughout the text, referring to the inhabitants of Ukraine, you ... you ... specially wrote with a capital letter, because writing with a capital would not be fair to normal people). Sorry, but this is your choice.
      2. RBLip
        RBLip 9 December 2015 10: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: name
        Old, but I repeat:

        Well, a story about a nuance would probably suit ... I won’t write, those who wish will find it.
        but according to the article. people rushed to rejoice. I immediately had a question - why? WHAT DO WE REALLY FOR? the neighbors went crazy, set the hut on fire, they accuse us of hell, understand what ... yes, they behave like fools, did it make us feel better? easier? and do not forget that this is the ashes to us and then restore ... one way or another ...
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  3. BLOND
    BLOND 9 December 2015 05: 38 New
    +3
    It may be bad now, but Ukraine has achieved its goal, split off from the empire and opened the door to Europe.


    ... she opened the door to her grave
    Amerovskaya theory of controlled chaos .. retraction (or rather an attempt) of Russia ...
  4. dmitrich
    dmitrich 9 December 2015 05: 43 New
    +1
    sobriety is the norm of life, while Ukrainians do not understand this!
  5. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 9 December 2015 05: 47 New
    +2
    A new campaign is about to begin. Expected Outcome.
  6. bad
    bad 9 December 2015 05: 54 New
    +9
    Quote: SirGrey
    It may be bad now, but Ukraine has achieved its goal, split off from the empire and opened the door to Europe.

    Thank God, if so ... a flag in your hands and a drum on your neck, you will lead the column of people walking .. in short, go wherever you want .. opened it?!? - so it’s not wide open ... look so that we don’t get pinched when they close it in front of your nose ..Do not forget the pan on the head, lace panties, and take a plunger .. laughing
  7. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 9 December 2015 05: 57 New
    +9
    Quote: SirGrey
    It may be bad now, but Ukraine has achieved its goal, split off from the empire and opened the door to Europe.

    At the same time, the breakaways of Crimea and Donbass. Plus, the problems of restitution of Poland, Romania, Austria, Hungary. Destroyed industry, aviation and space industry, shipbuilding is also probably for the good of Europe. Sorry for people rejoicing in the collapse of their own country!
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 9 December 2015 08: 28 New
      +5
      Sorry for people rejoicing in the collapse of their own country!
      You don’t feel sorry for them. Sorry for the people. And not such ...
  8. Name
    Name 9 December 2015 05: 59 New
    +1
    Greetings to all! The catastrophe happened in February 2014, when moral ones appeared in power; now the consequences of all the insanity of the dill.
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  10. Wolka
    Wolka 9 December 2015 06: 07 New
    +3
    but I won’t say anything, no matter how cynical, but to each his own ...
    1. Siberian1965
      Siberian1965 9 December 2015 08: 33 New
      +2
      Remember how a real Ukrainian, Leonid Bykov, said in his film. I want to paraphrase "I am satisfied with the ruins of the country of the murderers."
  11. Fitter65
    Fitter65 9 December 2015 06: 10 New
    +8
    Like in the year in 1985, when I was a cadet of the ensign school that was in the village of Novoselitsy, not far from Veliky Novgorod, we went for potatoes, pick up and put away cars, and in one of these leisurely-labor days, we We had nowhere to hurry, the release according to the schedule, we had a conversation with the drivers. The drivers were with both Ukrainian and Leningrad, Pskov, Minsk numbers. To which I noticed, Siberia feeds itself. I am from near Novosibirsk, in front of the army I worked both as a combine operator and tractor driver, for which one drove from Vinnitsa as far as a reefer carrier, the East soared, yes, yes, we (Ukraine) fed our whole life and Siberia and Russia. They always brought everything from us ... I ask him and here it’s under Novgorod, he’s arrived, he’s so duck after all for potatoes. I’ve taken him to Russia and he. They walked in the empty way, we need to quickly turn back and forth ... I say breadwinners, as Russia give for potatoes, but how so that we feed Russia all our lives.
    Well, at the expense of the queues at the OVIR ... I don’t know in the UFMS there were and are standing in very large queues, those who think they have opened the door to Europe. Moreover, our men don’t think to go to Ukraine from the Far East, but from Ukraine, and mostly from the western one almost as much as a fight. About two years ago, I myself saw two brigades of zapadentsev butting among themselves in a dividing area, one brigade arrived on a shift a day earlier ...
    1. beer-youk
      beer-youk 9 December 2015 07: 48 New
      +4
      Ukraine fed the entire Union, and how it separated - began to starve! Something does not fit. The statistics of the Union convincingly prove that these freeloaders for the last 30 years of its existence shamelessly ripped off 14 other republics, devouring almost 60% of the expenditures of the USSR budget!
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 9 December 2015 10: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: beer-youk
        The statistics of the Union convincingly prove that these freeloaders for the last 30 years of its existence shamelessly ripped off 14 other republics, devouring almost 60% of the expenditures of the USSR budget!

        The Baltic countries consumed the most, but Ukraine also consumed more than it produced. Here you can see who fattened (clickable)
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 December 2015 12: 47 New
        0
        Quote: beer-youk
        Ukraine fed the entire Union, and how it separated - began to starve! Something does not fit.

        Duc ... this is a well-known thesis of the late 80s of the last century.

        Ukraine separated ... and panicked. Even China threw: took a loan for the supply of grain - and thwarted the supply. Even lard vna 404 - and that is Polish.
  12. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 9 December 2015 06: 22 New
    +7
    Maidanutye forgot that Kiev restored the "scoop" after the visit of their friends from Nazi Germany! (This is me about the poster in the photo)
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  15. KOH
    KOH 9 December 2015 06: 32 New
    +3
    "Fontozzi against all" Ukraine in Europe ...)))))) ... "I invite you to dinner !!! I will eat, and you will watch !!!))))))
  16. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 9 December 2015 06: 37 New
    +4
    Each person lives as he deserves! That's all! Since Ukraine lives like this, it means it is necessary and as you can see the people there are such that sometimes it’s not a pity .. The generation for 25 years is completely crazy. Many rely on propaganda, but people are good! there is Internet and television over 100 channels, whoever wants to expand their worldview, and whoever doesn’t want to, he just watches Poroshenko alone!
    1. damngra
      damngra 11 December 2015 05: 59 New
      0
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Each person lives as he deserves! That's all! Since Ukraine lives like this, it means it is necessary and as you can see the people there are such that sometimes it’s not a pity ..

      Bitterly read such words. Actually your message speaks so for itself that there is nothing to discuss. However, hurt - I can not help but comment.

      "how he lives so deserves" - a saying phrase. And its truth is smeared with mud further. "how he lives so deserves" - a saying about a person's personal choice - to be a scoundrel or to be a saint, to act faint-heartedly or to sacrifice oneself, to live with a bad conscience or calm for her. Is a disabled person to blame for being hit by a rink? Is the child to blame that the parent overlooked? You, an ordinary person, are to blame if the government will finish badly and send you to the front, will establish a life for food. cards for your loved ones? Are you guilty? Then congratulations on your guilt. Your conscience would be partly for those who are mired in power in Ukraine at this time.

      There is also a saying "do not judge, you will not be judged"
  17. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 December 2015 06: 43 New
    +5
    Yes, everything is fine.
    This is a transition period, not everyone will go ...
    We understood that it would be, they understood that it would be.
    But to understand one thing, and to experience this is quite another.
    This is how we are now in Russia.
    He’s living shitty, but it’s clear that we are fighting and winning.
    And Ukraine agreed that it would be taken for allowance,
    but contentment is also different.
    In Ukraine, the elite is now receiving allowance
    the rest of the population ... is complacent.
  18. Siberian 1975
    Siberian 1975 9 December 2015 06: 51 New
    +7
    This country does not even cause sympathy. So persistently push your head off in the loop? Is the experience of Bulgaria, Hungary and other young Europeans not going to mind? Anyway, the news from this madhouse is no longer interesting, only cause irritation. We have enough of our own problems. As for the kaklov, so to me their fate is up to the bulb, let them jump on. One thing I know for sure, no matter how the situation changes, THEY WILL NOT BE BROTHERS, NEVER.
  19. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 9 December 2015 06: 52 New
    -2
    I don’t know where they dug it out - but the prices for minibuses and in the hairdressing salon fell)))))))))))))))) beautiful)))) the prices only went up, and for everything that’s possible, they’re obviously not going down) people live like they lived - someone is better, someone is worse, there have always been problems - when more, when less - at the end of Kuchma’s reign — it was stable, everything developed, then Yushch all about ??? crap ... then Yanyk - and now even worse ... I communicate with my friends in Kiev (I was there a year and a half ago) - there certainly is not London, but it is not as gloomy as in the zombie apocalypse or as the author described. yes - politicians and pseudo-patriots running after grandmothers with flags - got it, but they are not everywhere and not every day) He lived in Russia until a certain time in childhood in Siberia, after 1992-3 there was also no sugar, no one died), there were after default - all as if all the rules are still alive. So what was written for me somehow sounds unrealistic, of course it’s hard, but in my opinion when in the 90s there was one time that cigarettes were in short supply and enterprises paid for salaries in some places or even closed, now it’s not possible to close why ... The center will live. Maybe even someone who was or is in Ukraine let him say, or somehow agitation of the yellow press in the manner of Ukrsmi. Man gets used to everything - do not forget
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    2. bocsman
      bocsman 9 December 2015 08: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: Dart Weyder
      . Maybe even someone who was or is in Ukraine let him say, or somehow agitation of the yellow press in the manner of Ukrsmi. Man gets used to everything - do not forget

      It's not about agitation! The fact is that people have lost the most important hope for the future! Yes, there were times worse and harder. The twentieth century brought a lot of grave suffering to the suffering of our peoples, but there was always hope for the best and there was a goal in life. And what did it replace in Ukraine? Lacy panties! But apparently you need to go through all this to the people of Ukraine in order to realize everything and make a choice who is a true friend and brother!
      And another characteristic moment it concerns all the post-Soviet republics that have joined the EU and NATO, the so-called "elite" in power has betrayed their people for the sake of profit and is not engaged in anything other than theft and lies! And no one is imprisoned for corruption and genocide of their own people!
      1. Dart weyder
        Dart weyder 9 December 2015 08: 52 New
        +1
        Gone are the days when politicians asked the will of the People (and there weren’t such times), my comment was on the relatively unlikely reliability of the article, since it doesn’t go anywhere with what I saw myself, and I know - not with political biases, that happened and the consequences Ukraine will feel more than just if you like to read fiction like the yellow press - I will not distract)
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 10 December 2015 05: 33 New
          0
          In Switzerland, they ask even what fighters to buy and in what quantity.
    3. Angry orc
      Angry orc 9 December 2015 08: 30 New
      -6
      It seems to me that the Canadian got the minibus and a taxi, for 150 hryvnias no one will ride a minibus. in fact, prices in Ukraine are lower than ours, just yesterday, clowns from the first channel showed a news report in which they said that food is already a luxury for Ukrainians, eggs went up to 15 hryvnias for a dozen, and beef 50 per kg, damn, we would such prices (45 and 150 rubles)
      1. Dart weyder
        Dart weyder 9 December 2015 08: 48 New
        +2
        Come on - it will be more expensive - pork about 70-80 UAH - 200-240 rubles. Minibus - normal price - for the distance ... I was up to Kiev about -80 kilometers about 40 hryvnia
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 9 December 2015 09: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Evil Orc
        for Ukrainians, food is already a luxury, eggs have risen in price to 15 hryvnias for a dozen, and beef 50 per kg, damn it, we would have such prices (45 and 150 rubles)

        somewhere beguiled something. We have pork and even more than 70 UAH, but I haven’t heard about beef for a long time, except in Kiev, but not by 50. Ukrainian Bread - 9грн.20. Sugar 17grn. Cabbage and then on 10. Do not forget about light and gas. Here for November paid 300grn. and 800 respectively. And most people have pensions for 1200 people. Subsidies helped a little, relatives, gardens. But from January there will be new increases.
      3. Sasha_Sar
        Sasha_Sar 9 December 2015 10: 41 New
        +1
        And the salary is the same ?!
      4. saber
        saber 9 December 2015 18: 27 New
        0
        would you like a salary of 3000 grams? 9000r?
        1. Angry orc
          Angry orc 10 December 2015 14: 55 New
          0
          I have a sn 10000 well, a lot more than you wished me)
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 December 2015 13: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Dart Weyder
      He lived in Russia until a certain time in childhood in Siberia, after 1992-3rd, there was also no sugar, no one died), happened after default - all the rules are also alive.

      As I already wrote, the 90s cannot be compared with the present. In the 90s, the former parts of the USSR still had NZ in the form of "heritage cursed scoop"which could be exploited until the resource was completely depleted, or even stolen, sold and devoured. Now this pillow is not.
  20. FASO
    FASO 9 December 2015 07: 01 New
    +1
    Well, why is the outskirts not in Africa ?? Everyone would be better off.
    1. Angry orc
      Angry orc 9 December 2015 08: 31 New
      +1
      Africa will soon be in Europe, as outskirts tse europe :)
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 9 December 2015 10: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Evil Orc
        Africa will soon be in Europe, as outskirts tse europe :)

        For Americans, that Ukraine, that Africa - no difference whatsoever.
  21. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 December 2015 07: 06 New
    +6
    on a human level, a disaster

    A resident of Canada in four words and very culturally described the situation in Ukraine. Only the most drugged are coming out, still hoping for something and "proud" of their Maydanut revolution. After Biden's speech, they obviously piss on the ceiling with happiness, and they pray to the IMF's decision and jump for joy from the fact that Russia was shown a fig. But it's not over yet. The one who laughs last laughs.
  22. 2014ya.ru
    2014ya.ru 9 December 2015 07: 29 New
    +4
    One thing I know for sure, no matter how the situation changes, THEY WILL NOT BE BROTHERS, NEVER. To the point said. My friend lives in Odessa, he went all the way. He regrets that he had not left for Europe before, and now they are not letting him out.
    1. forumow
      forumow 9 December 2015 09: 34 New
      0
      Quote: 2014ya.ru
      not being released now

      Why?
  23. sl22277
    sl22277 9 December 2015 07: 41 New
    0
    Written honestly. Only "true Ukrainians" do not see what is happening around ... "True Ukrainians" are not born, they become through long-term brain processing. What they jumped in, they got it. There is also a default ahead ...
  24. magician
    magician 9 December 2015 07: 44 New
    +2
    something similar to Krylov's fable "The dragonfly and the ant." Only in our case, "jumped." The sad fate of the people and the country, but he himself went to this.
  25. nivander
    nivander 9 December 2015 07: 51 New
    0
    new canaan
  26. anip
    anip 9 December 2015 08: 18 New
    -15
    Again, everyone is happy and poke a finger in Ukraine. You still compare with Somalia or with Haiti. When will the Utriots compare with developed countries?

    Well, rejoice for Russia:
    Oil price: 2015 December 08 - $ 39,82
    Dollar exchange rate - 69.69

    For comparison:
    Oil price 2000 - $ 28,3
    Dollar exchange rate 08.12.2000 - 27,9300

    Oil price 2004 - $ 38,3
    Dollar 2004 - 27,7 - 29,4

    This is a great achievement of Putin's economy, even a very good one. This is another HPP.
    1. anip
      anip 9 December 2015 08: 20 New
      -8
      To the heap of folk art.
      1. Hell's Angel
        Hell's Angel 9 December 2015 10: 30 New
        -5
        And the fall in the export of high-tech products from the Russian Federation by 6% compared to 1999.
        Where it all went in 16 years.
      2. Djuma
        Djuma 9 December 2015 20: 16 New
        0
        Go kill, alarmist. Read the analytics, the share of oil and gas revenues of the Russian budget will surprise you.
    2. oracul
      oracul 9 December 2015 08: 48 New
      13
      I am writing through I can’t sickly answer the obvious. Yes, the ruble sank, oil fell in price, but not because Russia began to work worse, but because it was attacked from all sides in an effort to bring down the economy and prevent an independent policy. Everything is as in life: independent and self-sufficient people often cause irritation in their behavior around others. And then all the dogs are broadcast on them just because they are not like everyone else.
      1. anip
        anip 9 December 2015 09: 55 New
        -8
        Quote: oracul
        but because it is attacked from all sides in an effort to bring down the economy, to prevent an independent policy.

        Independent policy? What kind of independence can it be if Putin invests billions in American papers, all his entourage buys villas abroad, if they keep billions of dollars in accounts over the hill, if their children, wives, grandchildren live and study abroad, if they go for treatment and relax abroad? What kind of independent policy can we talk about? Verily, the pink glasses are firmly glued to the forehead of the Ura-Patriots.
        ..
        And so, yes, the truth is always cheers.
      2. Hell's Angel
        Hell's Angel 9 December 2015 10: 51 New
        -1
        Article on INOSMI. "Eric Maskin: Russia is talented and has the power to change course"
        Here is a quote from there.
        [i] - Russian officials are encouraged to say that the current situation, due to low oil and Western sanctions, gives us a chance to start investing in new sectors of industry. What do you think about this chance?

        [i] - You know, in fact, they may be right in this. The truth is that if you have such a need, you will start to do something. But this is a rather vicious logic, because the question arises, why you need to be forced to do something, why you can’t do something on your own? This is the main question. Why was the collapse of the oil market required for Russia to start investing in other sectors of industry? Why were sanctions needed by the US and the EU so that Russia would think about diversifying the economy? I do not think we have convincing answers to these questions. [/ I] [/ i]
        1. Djuma
          Djuma 9 December 2015 20: 22 New
          0
          Quote: Hell Angel
          You know, in fact, they may be right about this. The truth is that if you have such a need, you will start to do something. But this is a rather vicious logic, because the question arises, why you need to be forced to do something, why you can’t do something on your own?


          Russian officials are a separate issue. But our businessmen, yes, there really is a chance to raise domestic production. When imports are cheap, what's the point of investing in production and doing the same and trying to sell at the same price, even if it is of the same quality? Indeed, investments in production are repulsed for several years, and only then does profit come. And if import has risen in price by 2 times, then why not?
    3. kryuger.mark
      kryuger.mark 9 December 2015 12: 53 New
      +1
      Not understandable is not the healthy interest of dill in oil prices. Have you found oil? In which area?
    4. Djuma
      Djuma 9 December 2015 20: 13 New
      0
      Quote: anip
      Well, rejoice for Russia:
      Oil price: 2015 December 08 - $ 39,82
      Dollar exchange rate - 69.69


      So what? What is this talking about? Explain to us. It is interesting to listen to the mega-economist.

      And how do you like these numbers? Rejoice over the USA:
      Big Mac price: 2000 - $ 2,51.
      She in 2010 - $ 3,73.
      She in 2015 - $ 4,79

      HELLO !!! For 15 years, the big poppy has risen in price 2 times !!! EVERYTHING LOST IN THE USA !!!!!! Bush and Obama leaked everything !!!!

      So maybe the problem is not in Russia with oil, but in the US with the dollar?
  27. Support
    Support 9 December 2015 08: 45 New
    +3
    It seems that God turned away from them - deprived of Reason and the Future
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 9 December 2015 09: 32 New
      +1
      And he turned to us, adding to the oligarchs of the Yeltsin spill still a bunch of new ones - Rotenbergs, Timchens, etc. etc. With Ukraine it’s clear - a complete territory, belay but in our eyes we also ceased to notice logs. And for some reason pointing at them become unpatriots for some reason.
  28. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 9 December 2015 09: 16 New
    +7
    Great Ukrainians all expect that Russia is about to fall apart ... Well, let's say ...
    So what? Ukraine will immediately begin to live better? And at the expense of what? Who will help? Yes, the whole dream of an ordinary Ukrainian is to get out of Ukraine! "Ukraine tse Europe" means free movement across the border in one direction.