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Borisov: foreign customers line up for our planes

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The capabilities of the newest Russian aircraft fighting in Syria, such as the Su-34, impressed foreign partners, many of them expressed a desire to purchase these cars, reports RIA News words of Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov.




“Today, quite modern aircraft, such as the Su-34 and Su-35, are not inferior in any characteristics to Western models in the troops. This is the pride of our Armed Forces. They will long determine the state of our aviation. You know that today these models demonstrate their combat capabilities, including in the Syrian conflict. Behind them is already the lineup of customers,
Borisov announced on the Russia-24 channel.

The agency’s reference: “Su-34 front-line bombers are successfully used by the Russian Aerospace Forces in operations against terrorists in Syria. Su-34 by combat capabilities refers to the generation of aircraft "4 +". Among the features of the aircraft - increased flight range to 4 thousand kilometers, maximum speed up to 1,9 thousand km per hour, as well as the availability of the latest weapons control system. "
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Finches
    Finches 8 December 2015 09: 19 New
    38
    The Russian Aerospace Forces staff at least 120%, bourgeoisie, and then think about foreign sales!
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 8 December 2015 09: 22 New
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      Quote: Finches
      The Russian Aerospace Forces staff 120%, bourgeoisie, and then think about sales!

      We need to think about continuous production and continuous improvement of domestic technology. Sales to allied countries (the same Iran) is also not bad. It is not crude oil to drive abroad.
      Russian Aerospace Forces - by itself, they must fly on the most modern aircraft, and Russian enterprises should be ready to produce even more advanced equipment, and science should work for the future.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 8 December 2015 09: 25 New
        31
        Quote: volot-voin

        We need to think about continuous production and continuous improvement of domestic technology. Sales to allied countries are also not bad. It is not crude oil to drive abroad.


        That's it! In order to build our own money we need, and besides money we get countries that somehow depend on us, which is already good! At least it will be more difficult for them to attack Russia!
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 8 December 2015 09: 33 New
          36
          Quote: Finches
          The Russian Aerospace Forces staff at least 120%, bourgeoisie, and then think about foreign sales!

          While you are expecting staffing of the Air Force for 120%, the States during this time, to all who can get their raw F-35s (F-16, F-18, etc.). And they will receive a long-term contract for the supply of components and service. And then, when you get born, nobody will need your planes anymore. Since in the process of manning the fleet of combat aircraft, a specific state develops a certain standard of weapons (in this case, the Western standard).

          That is, while you drove a sting (I’m not selling, I’m not selling), the entire market was taken by competitors.
          This is the psychology of the market (I have repeated this many times). It doesn’t matter to everyone that your plane is the most, show that they are buying it, that it is in demand - then we will buy it.

          PS
          The market must be mastered (borrow, borrow and once again borrow). Conclude long-term contracts, receive money, attract attention. To potential buyers it was clear and understandable that Russia - can.
          1. cniza
            cniza 8 December 2015 09: 38 New
            +6
            After such advertising, of course they will be in the queue.
            1. Mahmut
              Mahmut 8 December 2015 10: 38 New
              +4
              The Russian Aerospace Forces staff at least 120%, bourgeoisie, and then think about foreign sales!

              For the money received from the sale of one aircraft, you can build two. Our country’s budget is far from bottomless.
              1. Urals
                Urals 8 December 2015 16: 23 New
                0
                And you can have more than one. There is an opportunity to saturate your Air Force.
          2. Finches
            Finches 8 December 2015 09: 44 New
            12
            Vladislav Alexandrovich, you are writing as if it weren’t a Russian citizen - “You’ll be born”, “Your planes” ... What do you want to say - first sales, and then rearmament of your own Armed Forces ?? But it seems to me that everything should be the other way around. If the aircraft outperforms the competition, they will buy it! And the armament standards in countries that allow themselves to buy such products have long been established.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 8 December 2015 10: 01 New
              +7
              Quote: Finches
              What do you want to say - first sales, and then rearmament of your own Armed Forces ?? But it seems to me that everything should be the other way around.


              good Everything needs to be done at the same time - 1 (2) aircraft (a) for us, 3-4 for sale, due to orders it will be possible to expand the production base, part of the funds will be spent on research and development. Long-term contracts will give money, which the state now simply does not have enough for everything, that's why they invent all kinds of taxes and increase of certain duties. And so, the plant will profit from direct sales, plus it will add customers to NZ and service. If only everyone as Indians will not demand a plant to build at home, but here you can think about special conditions.
              1. _Vladislav_
                _Vladislav_ 8 December 2015 10: 13 New
                -1
                Quote: Finches
                But it seems to me that everything should be the other way around. If the plane outperforms the competition - they will buy it!

                Error. Do not buy.
                By the fact that no one is aware that you have it. And if they know, then what difference does it, anyway, nobody buys it from you, and therefore it does not meet modern requirements. So nobody needs such a plane.
                The psychology of the market.

                Quote: Finches
                And armament standards in countries that allow themselves to buy such products have long been established.

                The standards of many (dozens) countries broke down after the collapse of the USSR. When the need arose to rearm (at least 50%) to NATO standards. This niche needs to be filled. P.E. Russia needs to actively market its products.
                1. barsik92090
                  barsik92090 8 December 2015 10: 48 New
                  +2
                  In today's market, paint color and packaging (in the broad sense of the word) are very important.
                  1. _Vladislav_
                    _Vladislav_ 8 December 2015 10: 52 New
                    +1
                    Quote: barsik92090
                    In today's market, paint color and packaging (in the broad sense of the word) are very important.

                    Think correctly. And if you disregard this, the market can be lost.
                    Russia needs to supply high-tech products, interest the world, and enter serious markets. By the fact that if you pickle, you can miss the opportunity and continue to trade with Zimbabwe Kalash.
                  2. Semyonych
                    Semyonych 8 December 2015 13: 22 New
                    +1
                    Packaging, color, bow ..... all this is garbage. Military equipment, these are not toys for children.
                    Demonstration is the main thing. More often it is necessary to show in action, in combat conditions, and if the equipment is normal, then they will buy it without packaging.
                2. barsik92090
                  barsik92090 8 December 2015 10: 48 New
                  +1
                  In today's market, paint color and packaging (in the broad sense of the word) are very important.
            2. veksha50
              veksha50 8 December 2015 10: 07 New
              +6
              Quote: Finches
              You are writing as if not a Russian citizen -



              Eugene !!! I always respect your comments with respect, but now it’s just annoying that today you’ve gotten off the charts ...

              I also want the VKS relatives to be equipped even with 200% the latest super-airplanes, but Vladislav is right ... It sounds insulting, annoying, cynical - but the way it is ...

              And do not forget that our aircraft industry did not collapse completely in the 90s and early 2000s only due to foreign orders ...

              Calm down your emotions and really weigh all these things ...

              PS Here I got a nasty little thought ... Here our planes in Syria are now working in intensive mode, their wear is accelerated ... I understand that it is time to put them on the capital, and replace them in Syria ... That is, again, you need to produce and produce airplanes, and again money is needed for this ...

              In general, Evgeny, judging by your comments and Vladislav’s comments, it’s not both of you to quarrel and curse ... But emotions sometimes need to be slowed down ...
              Best regards hi
              1. meriem1
                meriem1 8 December 2015 10: 21 New
                0
                BRAVO!!!
                And the gliders are definitely breaking! But for that there is work ... And Our BIRDS are better !!!!
      2. Finches
        Finches 8 December 2015 09: 26 New
        +2
        In any case, there should be one priority - Russia and its Armed Forces! In the meantime, often, the dollar is the priority .... Moreover, this dollar does not always reach the country's budget ...
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 8 December 2015 10: 11 New
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          Quote: Finches
          In any case, there should be one priority - Russia and its Armed Forces! In the meantime, often, the dollar is the priority .... Moreover, this dollar does not always reach the country's budget ...



          To be honest, sometimes I regret that our country came out from behind the Iron Curtain ...
          There was no link to the dollar, all the necessary operations with foreign currency were carried out by one (!!!) only Vneshtorgbank ... Well, there were no beautiful candy wrappers and lollipops, but there was everything of its own - from matches and nails to spaceships ...
          1. Finches
            Finches 8 December 2015 10: 33 New
            +2
            George, maybe I didn’t put it right, but nevertheless I don’t think that in today's difficult situation the rearmament of our Armed Forces should prevail over sales! This does not completely cancel the displays of our equipment and its export, not at all - but first of all, our army, and then everything else! Friendly countries are another matter. I understand them as members of the CSTO, but the text refers generally to foreign partners. Somewhere before 2005, Russia sold more weapons abroad than it equipped its army, which did not at all increase the combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces. And only after 2005 did this situation change, which now allows us to observe positive results, including Syria! So I want this trend to not decrease!

            We don’t swear with Vladislav, I was only pricked by the word "your" towards our country! hi
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 8 December 2015 11: 56 New
              +4
              Quote: Finches
              So I want this trend to not decrease!



              Lord, but who does not want this !!! (Well, I do not take into account our enemies) ...

              However, this fucking market economy dictates its filthy conditions ...

              How many times have I said: return the state monopoly on the production and trade of alcohol products, tobacco and pharmaceutical products - and the budget will be filled as I can, I have enough money to expand production, and the army, and medical education ...

              If in the west the budget is filled with a well-thought-out tax system (over there, Depardieu drunkard escaped from taxes on the rich, became an “honorary” resident of a provincial Russian town), then why should our boyars not take an example from this system ???

              To the question "why?" You know the answer yourself ...

              That's where the perversion in the current Russian economy !!!

              PS By and large, those boyars who pass laws and approve the budget absolutely do not need a strong Russian army and navy, since they have long since become pro-Western as a result of their venality and the absence of the most insignificant share of love and respect for their country and people living in this country ... (He deliberately did not write "to his people", because we are too different: we are not theirs, and they are not ours) ...

              Best regards hi
              1. Finches
                Finches 8 December 2015 18: 32 New
                0
                You have a very true Postscript .... unfortunately! hi
        2. Don
          Don 8 December 2015 10: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Finches
          In any case, there should be one priority - Russia and its Armed Forces! In the meantime, the dollar is often the priority

          What did the Su-35 begin to sell over the hill at the beginning, and then only began to enter the VKS? Remind you how many Su-34 squadrons have already been created, and how many cars have been sold per mound? It is necessary to build both for our army and for the army of a friendly country.
      3. Maxom75
        Maxom75 8 December 2015 11: 10 New
        0
        I am only against lending to the mindless. if we sell, then at least on the security of deposits of silver, gold, rare earth metals, uranium and other things that can return money to us and make a profit if they do not pay us. And then we write off the debts of the USSR left and right, but no one wrote off to us! We must learn from the mistakes of the USSR! There are no friendly countries for us, there are our interests! If we can steal a large supply of gold, silver, platinum and other things, then the ruble will be stable! Well this is my personal opinion.
      4. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 8 December 2015 12: 35 New
        0
        Well, production, and so on by the Russian order loaded in full. Approximately 1 plane per month. The completion of the contract is still a long way off. In addition, sheer madness to sell airplanes in a threatened period when provocations follow one after another. Those small groups of the latest technology are all ghostly. They can be destroyed quite quickly, in opposition to the NATO bloc.
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      6. onega67
        onega67 8 December 2015 18: 46 New
        0
        and ready to drive them more!
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 8 December 2015 09: 23 New
      13
      The military operations of our VKS in Syria are excellent advertising, but the priority should be the equipment of our VKS, otherwise they are ready to sell everything and everything.
      1. Al_oriso
        Al_oriso 8 December 2015 09: 35 New
        +2
        We will sell obsolete airplanes - with this money we will build newer, better airplanes.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 8 December 2015 10: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Al_oriso
          We will sell outdated aircraft



          Um ... What are these and to whom ??? If even now for some reason we mostly have enough people who want to buy a Su-35, which we also have - did the cat drip with tears ???

          The question essentially rests on another: the need to expand production capacities and education-training of a new generation of scientists, designers, engineers, technicians, workers ...

          If you solve this issue, there will be enough aircraft in your own aerospace forces and for sale, which will provide an economic basis for further development ...
      2. Penetrator
        Penetrator 8 December 2015 09: 44 New
        10
        Quote: 79807420129
        otherwise they are ready to sell everything and everything.

        Come on you! Having sold one aircraft for export, for the money received it is possible to manufacture two for our aircraft. Naturally, it is necessary to expand and modernize production, train personnel, etc., but everything can be solved if there are funds and resources. A great opportunity to get off the "oil and gas needle" and much more real than the Medvedev-Chubais "nano-modernization"
        1. JonnyT
          JonnyT 8 December 2015 10: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Penetrator
          Quote: 79807420129
          otherwise they are ready to sell everything and everything.

          Come on you! Having sold one aircraft for export, for the money received it is possible to manufacture two for our aircraft. Naturally, it is necessary to expand and modernize production, train personnel, etc., but everything can be solved if there are funds and resources. A great opportunity to get off the "oil and gas needle" and much more real than the Medvedev-Chubais "nano-modernization"


          This is in theory))) but in fact the money earned from the arms trade lies with a landon bank or in US debt notes
    3. Sharapov
      Sharapov 8 December 2015 10: 06 New
      +1
      Do the bourgeoisie complete the videoconferencing system? What a nightmare! I thought that the MO and the government are engaged in this within the framework of the state defense order ...
      1. Finches
        Finches 8 December 2015 10: 12 New
        0
        In this case, the “bourgeois” is a collective image of modern, effective managers engaged in commercial activities of sales and resales, including in enterprises of the military-industrial complex! Personally, I did not take this to Borisov - I simply expressed the opinion that, first of all, the main task is to rearm and equip our own aircraft! hi
    4. meriem1
      meriem1 8 December 2015 10: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Finches
      The Russian Aerospace Forces staff at least 120%, bourgeoisie, and then think about foreign sales!


      In order to build up, we must sell !!! Then they reduce the characteristics of custom-made ones. And there are "bookmarks" there for sure. And you can’t sit on your ass.
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 8 December 2015 12: 48 New
        +1
        meriem1 Well, what are you talking about? In the 90s, they only did what they sold. More than 300 Su-30s, and only 48 for itself. Theoretically, yes, updating production, training personnel ... In reality, we have something else to throw to the “cash cow” so that it does not die, cut the rest and take it offshore. Exactly, and not otherwise!
    5. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 8 December 2015 10: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Finches
      At least 120% of the Russian Aerospace Forces

      But on this issue it’s not worth suffering. Aircraft are delivered ahead of schedule, somewhere around 1-2 more destroyers. There is no criticality in the transition to a new bomber, everything is going as it should, and expansion of production has not bothered anyone.
    6. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 8 December 2015 13: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Finches
      The Russian Aerospace Forces staff at least 120%, bourgeoisie, and then think about foreign sales!


      Golden words "Yuri Venediktovich"! And so it would be in the whole sphere!
  2. Decathlon
    Decathlon 8 December 2015 09: 22 New
    +7
    Peppy report! For foreign BMD-4M, "Kurganets-25", BTR "Shell" foreign people are also eyeing, and we cut gas at KMP! This is clearly beneficial for someone. The question is, to whom ?! am
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 8 December 2015 09: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Decathlon
      This is clearly beneficial for someone. The question is, to whom ?!


      One who dreams already lives in the blessed West ...
      All questions to the Russian Prospect and personally to Mr. Medvedev
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 8 December 2015 10: 06 New
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        Quote: hydrox
        One who dreams already lives in the blessed West ...
        All questions to the Russian Prospect and personally to Mr. Medvedev


        A colleague, you think, have forgotten Miller. Well, perhaps the older Medvedev, they’re like the main ones in the country in terms of gas. wassat
  3. SSR
    SSR 8 December 2015 09: 23 New
    +4
    Personally, I really like Duckling and all the same, one moment torments me, develop my doubts people! What’s behind the Su-34? And what are its capabilities?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 8 December 2015 09: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: SSR
      Personally, I really like Duckling and all the same, one moment torments me, develop my doubts people! What’s behind the Su-34? And what are its capabilities?


      Rear hemisphere attack warning station, long-range station ...
    2. Proud.
      Proud. 8 December 2015 10: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: SSR
      What’s behind the Su-34? And what are its capabilities?

      Compartment with electronic equipment (radar for viewing the rear hemisphere), and APU (auxiliary power unit)
    3. Scoun
      Scoun 8 December 2015 11: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: SSR
      And what are its capabilities?

      I only read out in general terms, but I really didn’t understand what was really there.

      The container of the brake parachute, which was located in the tail boom on the Su-27 and its modifications, was moved a little forward and made retractable for landing. Thus, in the tail boom of the Su 34 freed up space for the payload. In addition, it was significantly extended The presence of a large radio-transparent fairing in it suggested that the developer intends to install a rear-view radar station that could not only warn the crew about an enemy attack, but also control the launch of air-to-air missiles (in particular RVV-AE) capable of hitting not only aircraft but also enemy guided missiles (no foreign attack aircraft currently have such capabilities)

      And then this is what I found ...

      The radar remained in unrealized plans. On serial Su-34s in the Air Force there is no radar in the beam. And since last year, cars are already in the beam from the APU. Look at the photo - on the left side, closer to the end of the beam, there is a grill - that's where the APU "lives". There is no place for rear view radars.

      so there now as one comrade wrote "hot air" from the APU. Here is a fly in the ointment.
      1. SSR
        SSR 8 December 2015 22: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Scoun
        And then this is what I found ...

        The radar remained in unrealized plans. On serial Su-34s in the Air Force there is no radar in the beam. And since last year, cars are already in the beam from the APU. Look at the photo - on the left side, closer to the end of the beam, there is a grate - this is where the APU “lives”. There is no place for rear view radars.
        so there now as one comrade wrote "hot air" from the APU. Here is a fly in the ointment.

        Quote: Lukich
        Lukich (8) Today, 09:29
        Quote: SSR
        What’s behind the Su-34?
        hot air from engines

        Hmm .. not in the eyebrow but in the eye, albeit by accident.
  4. X
    X Y Z 8 December 2015 09: 23 New
    +3
    And who are these many? Please disclose the entire list, if this is not a secret.
  5. chikenous59
    chikenous59 8 December 2015 09: 29 New
    +3
    Media: Russia decided to discuss Turkey’s actions in Iraq at UN Security Council
    Russia intends today to convene a closed meeting of the UN Security Council to discuss Turkey’s actions in Syria and Iraq. This was reported by the Associated Press, referring to diplomats working in the Security Council.

    According to the agency and its sources, “so far the Russian side has not revealed the details of what it intends to talk about,” but it suggests that, among other things, the conversation will also be about the Russian Su-24 bomber shot down over Syria.

    The main subject of discussion, as expected, should be Turkey’s unauthorized introduction of its military contingent into Iraq, which was regarded by Baghdad as a “hostile act”.

    Recall, Turkey has thrown up to 300 of its military in the area of ​​Iraqi Mosul, supposedly "to train Iraqi Kurds." Ankara rejected the demand of the Iraqi leadership to withdraw its military within 48 hours.
    http://www.rg.ru/2015/12/08/sovbez-site-anons.html
  6. Vadim12
    Vadim12 8 December 2015 09: 29 New
    +1
    "Not inferior to Western models ..." What else is it? In the West, there are no modern analogues, they use fighters for ground targets.
  7. Lukich
    Lukich 8 December 2015 09: 29 New
    +8
    Quote: SSR
    What’s behind the Su-34?

    hot air from engines
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 8 December 2015 09: 55 New
      0
      Very funny!!!
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 8 December 2015 10: 11 New
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        Quote: Ros 56
        Very funny!!!

        Well then, colleague, the rear also has tail feathers, still funnier. laughing
        I apologize, colleague, for sarcasm, but the question itself causes misunderstanding:

        What’s behind the Su-34? And what are its capabilities?


        Where the back, top, bottom .... sticks out, does not stick out. The question is asked somewhat vaguely. This causes a grin. hi
  8. moskowit
    moskowit 8 December 2015 09: 34 New
    0
    Well, not bad. Airplanes have shown their capabilities in combat. Orders will create new jobs, introduce modern technology. But in this euphoria of "priority" of the Russian aviation industry, one cannot forget the main thing; all the best and best first to myself, and then to customers. In this regard, we must not forget the Soviet principle that the enemy could not use our modern weapons against us!
  9. Babai34rus
    Babai34rus 8 December 2015 09: 34 New
    0
    Business has gone, the longer we are in Syria the better the advertisement. The more customers
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 8 December 2015 10: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Babai34rus
      Business has gone, the longer we are in Syria the better the advertisement.



      The Ministry of Defense pays pilots "combat" ...

      Why shouldn't Rosoboronexport also pay some premiums from orders for aircraft ???

      You can consider my proposal a joke, but you can really do it ...

      Even in Korea and Vietnam, manufacturing companies paid extra to the pilots of new Amer fighters ...

      I think the guys, and especially their families, an extra income would not hurt ...
  10. Fat
    Fat 8 December 2015 09: 35 New
    +5
    So build factories. Open vocational schools. Teach young people to work. And then the prestige of working professions is already lower than the baseboard. Everyone wants to be lawyers. Economists and farmers do not produce these categories. Armed with your army. And then trade.
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 December 2015 09: 41 New
    +3
    The toad of course strangles that we will do planes to others.
    But on the other hand, this pays for the modernization and production of equipment for themselves.
    Because well, no one will give the country all the money for the defense industry now.
    Yes, and “Caliber” should now be sold, even in a truncated version.
    There is a general shift in the country from the counter to the machine.
    And maybe five years later people will go to
    technical specialties at universities, not lawyers and economists.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 8 December 2015 10: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      There is a general shift in the country from the counter to the machine.
      And maybe five years later people will go to
      technical specialties at universities, not lawyers and economists.


      That is, in this case, trade is the engine of production ...

      The postulate of political economy ... Everything is repeated at a new round of development ...
  12. bugrovata
    bugrovata 8 December 2015 09: 43 New
    +1
    I said don’t sell to anyone! Sell ​​- only when they become obsolete! And we will already have new ones with the best performance characteristics! Does everyone understand ?! wink
  13. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 8 December 2015 09: 45 New
    +2
    What surprises me --- the fact that the Su-35 has been reduced to combat readiness until now, and the turn has already formed --- the Chinese, the country of the Pacific Ocean. Contracts. This is a certain degree of confidence in our aircraft. Rather, they brought it. I dream to see our "Caesar Kunikov" during the passage of the Turkish straits and so that not a Red Navy with a MANPADS on the bridge stood, but the four Su-35s were in the sky! Over the Bosphorus, over the Bosphorus good!!! Homeland, waiting! soldier
  14. 31rus
    31rus 8 December 2015 09: 49 New
    +1
    Dear, to sell modern weapons, to everyone who has money, without regard to the interests of the state, it will come to us sideways, then it will come to the fore that it is necessary to arm our army first of all, it’s not bad of course that instead of oil and gas elites, the military-industrial complex elites have come to change, only the essence it doesn’t change, people who influence economic processes are the same, so the interests of business are higher than the interests of the state and what is the difference raw materials or weapons, national interests are the priority and sale of weapons should be used as a tool, and not as an opportunity to earn a dollar
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 December 2015 09: 50 New
    +4
    The military-industrial complex "drags" the heavy and light engineering, instrument making and microelectronics, but that’s all ...
    This is the real High-tech. And if we can produce such equipment - yes, there are only four such places in the world - five, then what kind of gas station are we? We are rather a gas station with a "roof" laughing
  16. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 8 December 2015 10: 19 New
    +1
    First, our army, then everyone else. And be sure to note - our aviation must exceed export designs
  17. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 8 December 2015 10: 22 New
    0
    it’s good that it’s worth the turn. enterprises will be loaded with orders and there will be money for new developments and improvements
  18. demo
    demo 8 December 2015 10: 31 New
    0
    F-35A - $ 94.8
    F-35B - $ 102
    F-35C - $ 115.7
    (without engine)

    The cost of SU 35 $ 85 million (export, 2012) - with an engine.
    This is about the fact that the Americans will overwhelm everyone with their 35A.

    Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II (eng. Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II, Russian Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II) is a family of promising, inconspicuous fifth-generation fighter-bombers developed by the American company Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company (Tactical Aircraft Systems) in three versions: an option for the needs of the U.S. Air Force (ground fighter - CTOL), for the United States Marine Corps and the British Navy (fighter with a short take-off and vertical landing - STOVL), and for the needs of the U.S. Navy ( carrier-based fighter).

    Well, and who needs it so much?
    Who has aircraft carriers?
    Who has a shortened runway?
    And finally - maintenance - there are not enough "hassles" for merchants.
  19. tomket
    tomket 8 December 2015 10: 48 New
    0
    Interestingly, is there a list of countries lined up for su-34?
  20. Moore
    Moore 8 December 2015 10: 49 New
    0
    I read the local "marketers" with their indispensable slogan on the need to conquer sales markets, confrontation with competitors, and how I got to the presentation of a visiting training lecturer. All that remains is to remember the "invisible hand of the market." Well, yes, from their point of view, an airplane is the same product that has its value and some features of its promotion.
    A few rhetorical questions.
    1. Does one of the “marketers” think that the current aircraft manufacturing facilities (like shipbuilding and mechanical engineering) have limited performance different from those in the USSR or the USA?
    2. Do they realize that without expanding production, the construction of high-tech products for export entails the failure to fulfill a defense order plan?
    3. What does the expansion of production involve the availability of trained specialists (where to get them? Do you need to prepare them) and production base, or even the presence of time, measured by no means in a year or two?
    4. Can our country afford such “market” successes in light of what is happening in the world now, or can it still focus on staffing its own aviation (fleet, ground forces)?
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  22. forumow
    forumow 8 December 2015 11: 08 New
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    The capabilities of the latest Russian aircraft fighting in Syria, such as the Su-34, impressed foreign partners

    And what exactly opportunities impressed these partners ?! The fact that planes generally fly and even bomb in the simplest conditions for military aviation? There are no opposing air defense, electronic warfare!
  23. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 8 December 2015 11: 19 New
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    Hmm, Russian fighters are sold like hot cakes at school bully
  24. atamankko
    atamankko 8 December 2015 11: 25 New
    +1
    Our equipment advertises itself with attacks on terrorists, but it is necessary to sell.
  25. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 8 December 2015 13: 41 New
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    As far as the cost of the SU-34 is known, 1,5 billion rubles is a crazy amount. You can earn a lot on exporting these aircraft. Only their production is quite slow. But nevertheless .. We are waiting for the results of the exhibition.
  26. iouris
    iouris 8 December 2015 13: 41 New
    +1
    It is important that the quality corresponds to the sales volume, and then you will have to pay the penalty.
  27. KnightRider
    KnightRider 8 December 2015 18: 12 New
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    Additional advertising of our aircraft will not hurt, but somehow it’s not there with orders: Su-35 - China (24), Indonesia (12). Su-34 - no one. Su-30 - Algeria (14), Venezuela (12), Kazakhstan (?)
  28. gammipapa
    gammipapa 8 December 2015 20: 51 New
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    It’s good to sell, but make at least some bookmarks for destruction, such as hour X when it arrives. It's not so difficult to grab a couple of blocks into units. And then we will blink our eyes later - what a good airplane we did, only why it flies to us with bombs and who is driving there.
  29. puffnutiy
    puffnutiy 9 December 2015 14: 26 New
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    We can sell our modern weapons when we sculpt them like hot cakes on a conveyor belt. And then we have too many old weapons in the army.

    Of course, I will give a not entirely correct example from history, but during the Great Patriotic War the Novosibirsk Aircraft Plant No. 153 produced the Yak-9th regiment per day. This is 20 planes per day! I understand that then the technology and design complexity were different. But Irobus somehow manages to produce one medium-haul aircraft per month! And we have? (