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KMZ: defense order for 96% we will execute. If not extinct ...

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I read the press, especially on current topics of war in Syria and the ATO in Ukraine. I want to be aware of the capabilities of the enemy and our capabilities. I do not call for war, no. But in order to "check the powder flasks," I urge. Any sane person understands that gunpowder is good only when it is dry.

I recall our delight after the parade on May 9 of this year. With what pleasure we looked at new Tanks, new APCs, new infantry fighting vehicles. Power, beauty, confidence. And pride. We could, we are no worse than our fathers and grandfathers. And our technique is the best.

It was then, in May, many readers learned about the existence of a plant in Kurgan, which brought to life what became the basis of our pride. I will not tire of listing everything that is produced in Kurgan. Three items are enough. Only three, so that the reader understood. BMD-4M, "Kurganets-25" - a platform for armored vehicles, BTR "Shell".

At present, in the present conditions such an enterprise cannot be unprofitable in terms of the product range. All three products are not just needed by our army. They were vital yesterday. And the government understands this. Therefore, the orders and the factory literally littered until the end of 2017 year.

Literally a bit stories. For those who are not very familiar with Kurganmashzavod.

The factory was founded in 1950. From 1954, he switched to military production. In particular, tracked tractor. These machines were widely used not only in the army, but also in the oilmen of Siberia and the Arctic. From 1967, he began mass production of infantry fighting vehicles. Currently it is the only company where such equipment is manufactured.

Today KMZ - one of the world's largest exporters of BMP. 28 countries of the world buy these cars of various modifications, and in India and Slovakia, enterprises have been created that produce licensed BMP-1 and 2.

KMZ: defense order for 96% we will execute. If not extinct ...


In order to unify the BMP-3 already distributed in the army with the Airborne combat vehicles, the KMZ designers developed and tested new BMD-4 vehicles.



Since 2005, the plant became part of the concern "Tractor Plants".



And now the unexpected. The very fig, which is in the pocket. I read the letter on Change.org, and an explosion occurs in my head. Well, can not be. Some kind of nonsense. In order not to paint what and how, just give this letter completely.

"Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich! Many factories of the city of Kurgan have been liquidated, now the question of all future workers of Kurgan Machine-Building Plant about its future fate is very worrying. The debts of the enterprise led to a delay in wages, switching off heating, hot water and gas in the enterprise, people are forced to work in inhuman conditions, the temperature in the shops + 5 + 7 degrees. Due to the low temperature in the shops, the equipment can not work in full, and the equipment itself leaves much to be desired. working on machines with emulsion, hands freeze. After work, people are forced to take a cold shower. And this is all at a time when military equipment is assembled at the plant - BMP vehicles. It also collects civilian products, such as MKSM, tracked all-terrain vehicles. There are minimal workers, on average 10-15, because there are a lot of problems at this enterprise and the management knows everything, but doesn’t take any actions. We, the workers of OJSC Kurganmashzavod, ask to stop the arbitrariness of the management - the collapse of the enterprise! Patience at the limit, and there is no more strength to remain silent and wait for what is not known! "

I hope, of course, to whose address it is written.

I read several comments under this letter. To be honest, horror. How can this be? And then he looked at the rest of the Kurgan plants. Just looked and understood: it may well be.

There was once in Kurgan famous factory "Kurgan wheel tractor". Many people remember his products in the old films. Once he released the MAZ-535, and a little later the MAZ-537 (truck tractor). But we are better known for the famous powerful machines with the wheel formula 8х8 КЗКТ 545, КЗКТ-7458 "Rusich", КЗКТ-8005. These tractors could transport semi-trailers weighing up to 100 tons, trailers weighing up to 80 tons, aircraft weighing up to 200 tons. Could ...

Now they can not. There is no longer this plant. And the team in 11 000 people do not. The plant went bankrupt and was sold in parts at the end of April 2011.

Naturally, we will keep the situation at the plant under control. I wonder how it turns out that defense orders do not solve the problem of non-payment of communal? At what prices are these orders? Or at what prices communal? But in any case, it is impossible to demand outstanding success from a team that works in such conditions. A person who is thinking about how to warm his hands and wash himself after the shift will not think about how to increase the output and ensure its proper quality.

And then we are forced to "express concern" with another exploding carrier rocket or a satellite that did not work. And express. And what's the point?

Just recently, we wrote about the plant "Omsktransmash". And we wrote not only. And I am glad that everything worked out at the factory. Up to the point that the workers who had already been dismissed due to reduction were being touched back. And the workers returned, leaving other places. Maybe more profitable. As one of the "returnees," "plant, he's native ..."

Many good and clever words are spoken on the theme of the revival of our military-industrial complex. But you have to do it. And it begins not with Rogozin’s hot statements, but with hot water in the shower and hot batteries in the workshop.
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  1. pzkrfv4
    pzkrfv4 8 December 2015 06: 49
    +5
    However, w ...
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    2. qwert
      qwert 8 December 2015 09: 00
      145
      It is a pity that you cannot put 10 pluses to the article. Because it is worth a dozen articles about how stupid "Poroshenko and Abama" are, or about how we scared America to death with our strikes in Syria and overflights of the American island. Here is one of the articles because of which I read TOPVAR, and not Lenta or Komersant-Daily !!

      Although, of course, what is described in the article does not please, but frightens. This is what we are "scaring" America with now. If this goes on, our enemies will only have to wait a decade. Of course, there are a lot of questions for the president too. Naturally, sorry for the people. 11 people with KZKT, this is 000 families without income. I was unemployed, I know how creepy it is, especially for family people with children
      1. Askin
        Askin 8 December 2015 09: 34
        55 th
        Quote: qwert
        It is a pity that you cannot put 10 pluses to the article. Because it is worth a dozen articles about how stupid "Poroshenko and Abama" are, or about how we scared America to death with our strikes in Syria and overflights of the American island.

        It is impossible to deprive "Uryakalok" of feeding.
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          8 December 2015 09: 42
          69
          Quote: qwert
          described in the article does not please, but scares


          Don't be afraid here. After all, this happens not only in Kurgan. Volgograd, Voronezh, Tula ... There is such a thing on a heap of military enterprises. And it can be worse. We decided, for example, to place a state order at the Polyus NPO on a radio station. Rogozin rode up, and found out that there is NO WHERE to place! The plant is torn apart, a bunch of tenants and owners are sitting in workshops and rivet furniture, spare parts, and so on.

          Dima popereshchal, ordered to disperse everyone, but it is easy to say, but to do it more difficult. Especially if there is "brilliant green" on the square. For a year already, the war has been going on with showdowns, they are trying to cancel the privatization. And the order has already left for another plant.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 8 December 2015 11: 43
            58
            and all because the management is made up of "effective managers" who can only bankrupt, and they were not taught to put them on the feet of the enterprise. recourse
            It hurts to read this of course!
            But if such managers would be imprisoned for 10 years with confiscation of property, I think a lesson would be indicative.
            And so they will be removed from their posts at best, when the bastard has already stolen millions, or even billions.
            1. Falconmg
              Falconmg 8 December 2015 20: 55
              18
              Well, still managers, watch a movie on the Internet about the son of the prosecutor Chaika. And you will understand that everything is worse than it seems, you need a hard and uncompromising cleaning.
              1. Hon
                Hon 8 December 2015 21: 09
                17
                Quote: FalconMG
                Well, still managers, watch a movie on the Internet about the son of the prosecutor Chaika. And you will understand that everything is worse than it seems, you need a hard and uncompromising cleaning.

                and will lead this purge, Prosecutor Chaika. as Bastrykin said, to one journalist "I will then investigate your murder"
                1. Falconmg
                  Falconmg 9 December 2015 07: 12
                  +1
                  That is the question, does Putin not see this? I think he sees, only it is probably easier for him to hold Chaika and his ilk for corruption eggs, rather than within the framework of the law.
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 9 December 2015 10: 27
                    12
                    Quote: FalconMG
                    That is the question, does Putin not see this? I think he sees, only it is probably easier for him to hold Chaika and his ilk for corruption eggs, rather than within the framework of the law.

                    they are just one team, and no one is holding anyone for anything. Bastrykins, Seagulls, Putin, Rotenberg, Chubais, why should they drown each other, when it is safer and more satisfying, not to interfere with each other?
                    1. silver_roman
                      silver_roman 9 December 2015 11: 27
                      10
                      Quote: Hon
                      they’re just one team

                      Unfortunately, lately I have been getting the impression.
                      If at first I was waiting for the right moment, I believed that the time had not yet come, that if we start cleaning up, then the entire "civilized" world community will start screaming about despotism in the Russian Federation and this will greatly spoil our image in the international arena, but now I I don't understand the logic at all !!! It seems that as I can, the Yankees are in our slippers and so crap, what awaits the authorities? Why do unthinkable things happen in the country ??? I'm talking about the Central Bank, Siluanovs and KOs ... the scaffold is just crying for them! I do not get it recourse
                      There are really 2 points here:
                      1) or Pu is in a bundle and this whole thing is beneficial to him, which means he is not the one who needs our country
                      2) or all this evil in the structures of power is in the foundation and if you remove it, then the whole structure will collapse. And they are afraid to destroy. But apparently there is no other way. Because conflict with syshua is apparently protracted and will go to exhaustion. And in this battle we have AGAIN every chance of losing as it happened with the USSR. The Yankees have orders of magnitude more fat, and the entire system built by them, on their side, is also full of puppets all over the planet in the form of the EU, Japan, Gulf Arabs, Colombia, Australia, Korea - in short, in all regions of the planet. So if we try to fight the "cancer" in the form of all these parasites, WE WILL EXACTLY LOSE !!!! Instead of Lenin, Stalin, it was necessary to freeze and now unfreeze him ... as a strategic weapon of a dark day. a recipe for this plague!
            2. scorpiosys
              scorpiosys 8 December 2015 21: 49
              13
              But who will plant these "ineffective managers"? After all, such as they are the so-called. "salt of the earth", fulfilling the evil will of our "partners" in the collapse and tearing of what is still left in Russia from its best and great times.
              And Mother Russia still stands not because of, but in spite of them, the masters of life and their hangers-on.
            3. BLACK-SHARK-64
              BLACK-SHARK-64 9 December 2015 09: 08
              +5
              Which planted ????? One has already been planted, and then RELEASED !!!!!!!!! Yes, everyone will return !!!!!! am
            4. Mih
              Mih 10 December 2015 22: 25
              0
              And so they will be removed from their posts at best, when the bastard has already stolen millions, or even billions.

              I’m not seeing any other way out to shoot these men. am
          2. Consul-t
            Consul-t 8 December 2015 12: 39
            81
            I look forward to the urapatriots shouting Putin is our everything.
            Recently, an article was posted on the Address to the Federal Assembly.
            They cleaned everything, even the comments.
            I thought that we have freedom of speech.
            I’m a patriot and I’ll tear my mouth for Russia, but ... friends, let's talk sensibly. I am not all-crawler.
            In my place I do a lot, and we raise the plants. But there is no support.
            Success in the international arena is good, but when will we look inside the country?
            Or, as always, the king is good, but the environment is bad?
            And what prevents the king from turning to face the people?
            You can minus, but if the situation in the country does not change, then everything goes to the Moscow Maidan?
            Who started the situation with truckers at such a time? At first they were silent in the media, then they realized that they were breaking through. The fifth column began to speak.
            I have a long-range brother, my own car, making ends meet.
            Himself went abroad 15 years ago. I know what I'm talking about.
            For 15 years, transportation tariffs have not changed !!!!!
            And fuel has grown many times. In 2000, I refueled a car in the Moscow-Finland circle for 5 thousand rubles. Now we need 30 thousand. Moscow-Peter.
            And the price of transportation as it was and remained - 40-45 thousand.
            And how do people live? Therefore, many are outraged.
            How did you introduce Plato in a timely manner, do not you think?
            Well? Hurray Putin?
            1. Shkodnik65
              Shkodnik65 8 December 2015 13: 18
              83
              Looking at the situation in the country and the world lately, I have a split personality. On the one hand, as a leader in the past, I understand how difficult it is to be this very leader even in a relatively small team. And here is a country, and not just a country, but Russia, where hundreds of nations and nationalities and everything, mind you, indigenous, with their elites and their cockroaches ... And the territory! One time zone, if I'm not mistaken, eleven. Try to keep everything in a fist, and even with an eye on democracy. But on the other hand, a person went to the post of president of the SAM and not for the first time, that is, he knew where he was going. And here questions arise: this is the crumbling economy (it is the production sector, for example, in Kursk such giants as Kursk Bearing, Schetmash, KZTZ, Pikur, etc. covered themselves with a copper basin) an absurd situation with fuel, no less absurd with housing and communal services. What apple orchards and strawberry fields we had !!! Either the cottages are standing in that place or are abandoned and everything is sold. And the road ... I am sure that many colleagues can add to the above. But the point is not that there are problems, but that they are not being solved, or even aggravated. Someone can say that the President will not keep track of everything. But first of all, everyone chooses a command for themselves. And secondly, when I was a commander, they did not ask me what problems I have, they asked me WHY I have them and WHY I didn’t fix them. And they fought in the tail and mane. Foreign policy is, of course, good, but I really want the President to look "inside" or put on such a Premier who would SOLVE the country's internal problems while the President deals with its external ones. I have the honor.
              1. Askin
                Askin 8 December 2015 14: 44
                +5
                Quote: Shkodnik65
                But firstly, everyone selects a team for himself. And secondly, when I was a commander, they didn’t ask me what problems I had, they asked me WHY I have them and WHY I didn’t fix them. And they fought in the tail and mane.

                but this is a fool or do not understand or do not want to understand!
                1. varov14
                  varov14 8 December 2015 20: 43
                  +7
                  Keep grayness near, it will not change, will not give up, will not sat up. There aren’t enough stars from the sky, and she won’t ask questions, she smiles sweetly, speaks smoothly
              2. scorpiosys
                scorpiosys 8 December 2015 21: 55
                +4
                Nothing ... Soon we will be with the gentlemen ... forgive the Chinese Brothers for seasonal work with an outstretched hand. As they squeeze out all our people to the Urals, we will sing the praises of the "good king".
              3. nfoma80
                nfoma80 9 December 2015 00: 42
                15
                The same situation in neighboring Orel, the instrument factory made instruments for submarines and most missiles, it is not there, although they wrote to Putin and the governor vowed that we would save both TD and TP, the steel rolling site is similar to the test site after rocket testing, the UVM was turned into a house for a thousand office, gear factory sold at the price of 3 room apartment. the only factory that still operates Tekmash makes Kungi for the army on machines that they brought with trophies from Germany. But you watch the news and think that we are a superpower, it is true with a bare backside.
                1. Vanyatka
                  Vanyatka 9 December 2015 17: 09
                  +5
                  In Saratov the same picture .... squandered the entire defense ... Instead of the Aviation Plant - Auchan, instead of Tantalum - 1000 small offices of 1-2 rooms ... the radio factories also collapsed, where there was a machine tool - there is a market ... and so around Saratov and the region - one trade - complexes at the advice of this was not ... colossus .... only almost all are empty, because. the people have no money .... everything goes to utilities and products .... In general, longing ....
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              5. asiat_61
                asiat_61 9 December 2015 08: 02
                +1
                Primakov unfortunately died.
              6. BLACK-SHARK-64
                BLACK-SHARK-64 9 December 2015 09: 14
                +1
                I agree 100% ......... Moreover, we are countrymen ........ hi
              7. Bator
                Bator 9 December 2015 10: 52
                +3
                Countryman, I completely agree with you. For example, my enterprise is breathing again. I don’t want to take requests for military orders (that is, for real money). They do not want and do not take (or rather, take crumbs to get rid of). This is the same responsibility. And so riveted something, something like, they will still take it (the dollar is hoo). And the owner of an enterprise from country 404. Does he need it? They will also blame their own for all the grave ones. Well, returning to our "rams": you cannot embrace the immensity and rule the country manually, and the king is ruled by an entourage ... And you cannot beat it with a stick, if some official, well, does not really want to take care of the country, because it is possible for him in lesion. I think that we need total control and demand from the state apparatus.
              8. Mih
                Mih 10 December 2015 22: 36
                +2
                The President and "inside" looked or put such a Premier The President and "inside" looked or put such a Premier
                good
                Well, this is the whole question that there is no team. Prime, somehow on its own. The vertical, about which so much is said, is a fiction, which is not fulfilled. Everything resembles mockery of officials' power - they put everything on the device. Message after message, and things are still there. Theater of the absurd. love
            2. Askin
              Askin 8 December 2015 14: 39
              18
              Quote: Consul-t
              Who started the situation with truckers at such a time?

              Contrary to Russian law, where it is said that tax collection is the prerogative of the state, a private office called RT-Invest Transport Systems (RTITS) will rip off truckers. The state signed a contract with her for 13 years that she would collect tax for some 10,6 billion rubles. in year. The government is obliged to pay this amount to the “office”, no matter how much money it collects from truckers. At the same time, the “office” received a contract from the government contrary to Russian laws - without any competition.
              The main owner of RTITS is Igor Rotenberg, the son of billionaire Arkady Rotenberg, a former sambo player from the club where V. Putin trained. Moreover, until recently, a significant number of shares in this office were owned by the state-owned company Rostec, led by another rich Petersburger Sergei Chemezov. But in a strange way, the share went to Mr. Rotenberg, his neighbor in the country village, which is located on the banks of the Zlodeika River near Moscow. Gone quietly. That is, someone on behalf of the state issued through Chemezov permission to Rotenberg to receive 10,6 billion rubles from this state. annually.

              http://argumenti.ru/politics/n516/425716
              1. Starina_hank
                Starina_hank 8 December 2015 17: 07
                +3
                Idiocy!?
                1. BLACK-SHARK-64
                  BLACK-SHARK-64 9 December 2015 09: 17
                  +2
                  Much worse ... CORRUPTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! am
                  1. cheega69
                    cheega69 9 December 2015 12: 08
                    +1
                    No brother, this is even worse: the milkers and their herd.
              2. Starina_hank
                Starina_hank 8 December 2015 17: 07
                +1
                Idiocy!?
              3. varov14
                varov14 8 December 2015 20: 48
                +2
                It turns out a secret Jew, in which the dog is buried, why go to the Orthodox church?
                1. scorpiosys
                  scorpiosys 8 December 2015 21: 57
                  0
                  There it is "lighter" for him, just ... like under a pole with a light bulb.
            3. biznaw
              biznaw 8 December 2015 14: 45
              20
              Quote: Consul-t
              And how do people live? Therefore, many are outraged.
              How did you introduce Plato in a timely manner, do not you think?


              I agree. The blow to Putin’s back was not caused by Erdogan’s barmales, but by the ruddy deputies and officials with the oligarch Rotenberg. Officials say that it is impossible to abolish Plato, because the oligarch will have to compensate for the costs from the pocket of the state. It turns out such a normal bondage, we all the people and the budget owe to the sharpie.
              1. varov14
                varov14 8 December 2015 20: 54
                +1
                It is a pity that we have a Federation of Social Non-alternative, if there was a service, this is how the state served useful service.
              2. scorpiosys
                scorpiosys 8 December 2015 22: 00
                +4
                You just need to "compensate" all the oligarchs. I am ready to chip in on "confiCation", sorry - "compensation" for everyone as a class.
              3. Zefr
                Zefr 9 December 2015 05: 36
                +7
                Conscientious buyers are left without apartments, because they bought from scammers. There, you can cancel the transaction. And nothing needs to be compensated. And here it’s impossible, because some kind of compensation.
                Every time I am surprised that under the guise of effective management, they transfer concessions to private owners. You, officials, sign this, that you yourself do not know how to manage! Why are you then taking a place?
            4. priapman
              priapman 8 December 2015 19: 34
              19 th
              ABOUT "IT'S GOOD TO JUDGE". MAYBE ENOUGH ALL THE BARANS ON PUTIN TO HANG UP, ALREADY VOMES! WHERE YOU LOOK - EVERYWHERE, PUTIN IS GUILTY, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO THE TUNGUSSK METEORITE FALLED ..., ALSO PUTIN WAS NOT LOOKING OUT ??? YOUR READINGS AT THE LEVEL "BUTTERS IN THE STORE". IF YOU WERE ALWAYS ONLY IN THE COURSE OF THE POLITICAL HURRENCE AND MOOD OF THE ELITE, YOU WOULD KNOW WHY THE PRICES RISE SO AND WHO IS FOR IT, AND WHY THE STATE IS DOING, BUT IT DOESN'T REACH, AND DOESN'T REACH. BUT YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING, THIS IS THE KING - HE IS GUILTY, WHO ELSE? And MAIDAN IS ONLY FROM US AND WAITING, DO NOT WAIT FOR CREATURE! ...
              1. varov14
                varov14 8 December 2015 21: 06
                +9
                So they themselves are preparing the Maidan - they will feed one ram on the sacrificial altar and the Kurganmash plant, you can again take a break and relax until the next plant. There are many rams - the main thing is to sacrifice on time, and you will become a ram yourself.
              2. scorpiosys
                scorpiosys 8 December 2015 22: 01
                +1
                Balabol, you.
              3. Askin
                Askin 8 December 2015 22: 16
                10
                Quote: priapman
                ENOUGH ALL RAMS ON PUTIN
              4. cuzmin.mihail2013
                cuzmin.mihail2013 8 December 2015 23: 19
                +7
                This is not us, but you will wait for the Maidan! It is unfortunate that he will not grow into a Socialist revolution! Conditions have not yet been established. But, well, wait ...
              5. Alf
                Alf 9 December 2015 22: 15
                +1
                Quote: priapman
                IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOMETHING-SOMETHING YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE COURSE OF POLITICAL TRAIN AND ELITE Moods, THERE WOULD KNOW AND WHY THE PRICES ARE SO GROWING AND WHO WHO IS FOR THIS

                Well, enlighten us, near-minded! We will know who to blame.
              6. VIK_1961
                VIK_1961 11 December 2015 00: 07
                -1
                In the very hole !!!! As my "teacher of life in general and military service in particular," said back in 1983, "Fuck is not to roll bags." And they will not wait for the Maidan. I think that people like me and "pripman" and a very large number of normal men who value such concepts as Motherland, Family, Honor and Dignity (this was already in 1941 ... 1945), we repeat everything that our great-grandfathers and grandfathers did. Apparently, Russia has such a fate that as soon as the Western NITs raise their tail at us, the Russian army takes turns "visiting" all the capitals of GEYROPA. Well, when they learn the REAL HISTORY of their countries at least for their last 250 years, and not any tolerant hunnyu ??? Or every time to do a tattoo with a bayonet on their jope ??? We got it already. Why the hell do I need them, - "we are not badly fed here either" And I have business (we) - "for tonsils" - lift the country - "bags of gaggles." By the way, if you believe GEYROPE and AM, - well, they almost defeated corruption, just a little bit left, and they will immediately give us a piece of their happiness. Yes, only for some reason it seems to me that I myself will deal with the drunken neighbor, who does not give me debts, and with the "lads" that prevents me from living normally, - do not meddle with me with your tips. , get it, - I will trample on you with my advice on the tank - and here, "gentlemen", - "call, - you invited yourself."
                The Kizhevatovs, Gastello, Matrosovs, Pokryshkins, Zhukovs, privates Vanya Ivanovs and many unknown HEROES in Russia have not died out. Unfortunately, nits and sknip, living on sky loot, for which MY HOMELAND is "this country", has recently increased. Yes, let them not rejoice - God forbid it starts (even "a pitiful likeness of 1941"), - they will not knock down - and then we will evaluate which of them is worth what: 33 pieces of silver or a broken penny. Well, let's give it what we deserve. See the Bible.
                Well, to drive the authorities - look at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself HONESTLY (AT LEAST ONCE IN LIFE) - I'm honest, I didn't even take a nail from work. Of course, if your life principle is "I slept quietly and went away, I say I found it", then "There is nothing to blame on the mirror, if the mug is crooked" - the PEOPLE cannot be fooled. Let's argue ????
            5. Rusich is not from Kiev
              Rusich is not from Kiev 9 December 2015 01: 00
              -6
              Quote: Consul-t
              I look forward to the urapatriots shouting Putin is our everything.

              Of course, Putin is to blame for everything, who else. All are good, but he is bad. In general, until people themselves begin to organize themselves (unions) nothing will happen.
              1. Alf
                Alf 9 December 2015 22: 20
                +1
                Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
                Of course, Putin is to blame for everything, who else. All are good, but he is bad. In general, until people themselves begin to organize themselves (unions) nothing will happen.

                Trade unions are in every office. What's next ? Do you really think that a union can win in a dispute with a capitalist? Compare the budget of the enterprise and the budget of the union, which will be bottomless? Or will a union be able to hire a coachman or a rubber worker to solve a case in court?
                1. Rusich is not from Kiev
                  Rusich is not from Kiev 10 December 2015 00: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: Alf
                  Trade unions are in every office. What's next ? Do you really think that a union can win in a dispute with a capitalist? Compare the budget of the enterprise and the budget of the union, which will be bottomless? Or will a union be able to hire a coachman or a rubber worker to solve a case in court?

                  In Europe and the USA, in such large enterprises, the union was able to protect the rights, but it will not? Of course, this is difficult and the path is long, but in no other way. It is difficult to defeat such capitalists by continuing to work for 10-15k in the cold, but if you simply disrupt the defense, the order is in the cold and competently, unified to justify all this. then this is another matter. Of course, this should not be done by the current incomprehensible union.

                  In my memory, they raised their salaries at Ford in Vsevolzhsk.
            6. denis02135
              denis02135 9 December 2015 05: 39
              12
              Dear Consul-t

              A few questions
              And when in Russia the tsar turned to face the people?
              In 96, gasoline in Boston could be bought at 1.05 now for 1.95 (for a halon it is 3.74 liters), although the price reached 3.90, it lasted 5 years. What prevents to reduce the price of gasoline in Russia?
              Do you know a good Russian proverb "tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are", and now we will give a few names of Rotenberg, Yakunin, Serdyukov, Timchenko, etc. .. And do not "whine" good tsar, bad boyars. The leader is judged by his subordinates.
              1. Consul-t
                Consul-t 9 December 2015 08: 44
                11
                Quote: denis02135
                Dear Consul-t

                A few questions
                And when in Russia the tsar turned to face the people?
                In 96, gasoline in Boston could be bought at 1.05 now for 1.95 (for a halon it is 3.74 liters), although the price reached 3.90, it lasted 5 years. What prevents to reduce the price of gasoline in Russia?
                Do you know a good Russian proverb "tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are", and now we will give a few names of Rotenberg, Yakunin, Serdyukov, Timchenko, etc. .. And do not "whine" good tsar, bad boyars. The leader is judged by his subordinates.


                Here I am about the same. We all scream, Putin, Putin ... well done!
                Cool, sporty. Yes, I agree, in comparison with other Presidents, ours looks better. Well, then what?
                Look at his team. One Ulyukaev is only worth it.
                What do you think, with such a government will we build Great Russia?
                I am confused
                1. denis02135
                  denis02135 9 December 2015 16: 50
                  0
                  Dear Consul-t
                  Look at youtube for 'bad news' with Maltsev. Maybe you will find more like-minded people. Although some of the views of this man and his comrades-in-arms are unpleasant to me as nationalistic, I understand him and respect his right to his opinion.
            7. BLACK-SHARK-64
              BLACK-SHARK-64 9 December 2015 09: 11
              +1
              No minuses, only many advantages ................ hi
            8. user
              user 9 December 2015 23: 18
              +2
              And what prevents the king from turning to face the people?


              What are you actually waiting for?
              The king is made by the retinue. Look at the cabinet.
          3. PSih2097
            PSih2097 8 December 2015 13: 44
            15
            Quote: Banshee
            For a year now the war has been going on with dismantlings, they are trying to cancel the privatization.

            in fact, there’s nothing archaic need tough state will, which, alas, is not observed, all are too tied up here at different levels in power.
            1. qwert
              qwert 8 December 2015 15: 52
              +9
              Quote: PSih2097
              in fact, there’s nothing archaic, you need a tough state will, which unfortunately is not observed, all are tied up here at different levels of government.

              And nationalization, at least defense and mining
              1. Mih
                Mih 10 December 2015 22: 49
                0
                And nationalization, at least defense and mining
                good Yes, only so, and not otherwise. good
                Otherwise, we will find ourselves know what. love
            2. esaull
              esaull 8 December 2015 20: 56
              0
              If you recall Serdyukov, then everything is just that
            3. varov14
              varov14 8 December 2015 21: 14
              0
              Without advertising, create a power structure with extraordinary powers, a secret order, moreover, on "certain" conditions, imprisoned for the distant future. The mind is not enough to forge this - they live one day.
          4. VS
            VS 8 December 2015 18: 30
            +6
            He turned for pro forma, because the Muscovites bought up and destroyed the factories. But Voronezh is in 1st place in terms of the number of retail space per capita ...
          5. Sorokin
            Sorokin 10 December 2015 06: 39
            0
            Motovilikha is the same example. Artillery forge and who is outbidding? Nona Grad Tornado where you pour them?
          6. Gray-haired
            Gray-haired 10 December 2015 09: 08
            +1
            It is enough to look at who privatized the Volgograd Tractor Plant, in particular the Southern production (these are the greenest orders) and who owns this Concert tractor factories, and much will become clear even without vilifying Aiphoni. Although Faberge crawls on his belly in front of the West, he cynicism. Here is one of the "THEY" owners of the Concert Tractor Plants, a former speculator in rare earth metals, a representative of the most persecuted nation. Could IT trade rare earth metals, do not have a "roof" from fellow countrymen without a homeland on earth? in Volgograd, at the time of his "successful" heyday of this peculiar business, many who did not "fit" into the market were imprisoned for these rare elements. It can be assumed that the "plantings" were clearing the territory for such poets. Dad advised him ...
            In Volgograd, another large enterprise, the tractor plant, is being liquidated. Production facilities will be exported to another city, and the areas occupied by the plant’s workshops will be given up for housing development. The ex-vice-governor and former chairman of the board of directors of the Volgograd Tractor Plant Vladimir Kabanov called this news “a blow” for all Volgograd residents. He said that he was inclined to blame the death of the enterprise on the federal center, accusing Moscow of indifference to Volgograd. The fact that Volgograd Engineering Company VgTZ LLC was actually given to VEB Bank for its debts, said Mikhail Bolotin, general director of the Tractor Plants concern. . The price of this asset is estimated at four billion rubles. According to him, quoted by the federal press, the process of moving VgTZ production facilities will take about two years. Mr. Bolotin does not doubt the success of the possible development of the liberated territory, stressing that the place for construction is very good. He also noted that the Tractor Plants concern is currently negotiating with a number of development companies. “The transformation of VgTZ into a loss-making asset was largely due to the fact that the tracked arable tractors produced by the enterprise do not withstand competition with chariots, which, unlike from caterpillars, can be used year-round, and the range of their application is not limited to plowing alone, ”said Mr. Kabanov. - As for military production, we could very well expect that new developments in this area, such as the Sprut anti-tank self-propelled gun, the Shell shell and so on, which began and were conducted here, will remain to be made in our city of Volgograd . However, now, as I understand it, military production is being transferred to Kurgan.http: //subscribe.ru/group/na-zavalinke/8597108/
          7. Gray-haired
            Gray-haired 10 December 2015 09: 11
            +1
            This post is not about tractors. And about how Russia can lose them. And at the same time, light military vehicles on tracked vehicles. And this is already national security. There is a concern "Tractor Plants" in Russia. It unites 17 large industrial enterprises, including OJSC Promtractor, OJSC Kraslesmash, OJSC Kurganmashzavod, Volgograd, Vladimirsky, Lipetsk and Onega tractor plants, Altai motor plant and Cheboksary aggregate plant. In a word, almost everything that moves off-road, plows the land, saws the forest, protects the Motherland (military armored vehicles are produced in Kurgan), this glorious concern makes. But the story is not about that.
            Until recently, two Russian businessmen, Mikhail Bolotin and Albert Bakov, managed this colossus. Managed, frankly, it does not matter. Otherwise, they would not have lost in 2010 100% of the shareholding in their "Corporate Governance Company" Concern "Tractor Plants". Bolotin had 80%, Bakov had the remaining 20%. The shares went to VEB in exchange for a loan of 15 billion rubles. True, the agreement stated that Bolotin and Bakov could get their shares back, subject to the payment of the debt with interest strictly until 2017. In the meantime, they manage the concern, and no one has the right to remove them from this position.

            That loan didn't help. I wonder which offices knocked on young businessmen, who, by the way, according to the Finance magazine, are included in the rating of 500 billionaires of Russia? However, a miracle happened. To save the domestic tracked and wheeled machine building, as well as the defense industry in 2011, JSC "Corporate Governance Company" Concern "Tractor Plants" was provided with a syndicated loan in the amount of more than 20 billion rubles. 16 banks chipped in and began to drag the tractor concern out of the swamp: Sberbank, VTB, Rosselkhozbank, Bank Petrokommerts, Ak Bars, MDM Bank, UniCreditBank, Swedbank, Societe General Vostok Bank, ICICI Bank Eurasia, Bank Zenitbank, Raiffeisenbank Garanti-Bank Moscow, National Trade Bank, Energoprombank. Isn't it a solid company? How can such a debt not be returned?

            Sixteen banks took off to pull the tractor concern out of the swamp. But many creditors of their money have still not seen
            I don’t know which stars in the track turned wrong, but many creditors did not see their money. It would seem that the concern faces complete ruin. But no! Our resourceful heroes were not taken aback here either. The media say that they are ready to buy their debts with a crazy discount of 70%. Several banks, apparently desperate to see their money and interest on it, are going to make this compromise. After all, the group’s debts even without interest to banks inspire awe - 32,34 billion rubles. But the concern owes 58,8 billion rubles. With an annual revenue of 822,7 million rubles and a net loss of 45,4 million rubles (data from SPARK-Interfax. - Auth.) It will be very difficult to pay off debts. But what is difficult there is impossible!


            "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" - Federal Issue No. 6553 (281)
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 8 December 2015 16: 14
        +1
        Quote: qwert
        Of course, what is described in the article is not happy, but scary.

        Yes, all this is not good ...
        But still, why, for example, the production of helicopters is completely at the Soviet level, and the KZKT is ruined? After all, the country is one, the economic conditions are the same.
        On the one hand, in my personal opinion, of course, what kind of "masters" in the defense industry can be in FIG? This requires a monopoly with reasonable exceptions. Like the UAC or something. We need a plan for the years ahead.
        Well, although it is not 1937, but "first of all, put on a stake" very many need.
        Secondly, how many tractors did the KZKT produce? Hundreds, thousands?
        A staff of 11 thousand is not a sign of an enterprise of the 21st century.
        And such machines could be used, as a rule, only in the army. For reasons of low resource units and the same low efficiency. The legs, that is, the wheels of the Kurgan tractors grew from the 50-60s of the last century.
        Now we need to create a new car using the experience of BAZ, KamAZ and the same KZKT.
        They seem to be moving: about the development of KamAZ "Platform" can be viewed on the net.
        1. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 8 December 2015 17: 12
          +3
          "Right", what the fuck is the factory for us ?? !! We will buy from Belarusians, and we will buy! Moreover, we do not want to build a new plant, but we simply cannot!
      3. BLACK-SHARK-64
        BLACK-SHARK-64 9 December 2015 09: 06
        +2
        The fact is that this is not an isolated case. !!!!! And yesterday, Peskov indignantly yelled on TV that the average salary in Russia is 33 thousand rubles. Who's lying ???? The people or government ?????????? 7 am
      4. Gogia
        Gogia 9 December 2015 17: 42
        +1
        And where is the comrade who rides around the country with a devastated face - who should oversee the defense ?????
      5. Gogia
        Gogia 9 December 2015 17: 45
        +2
        The same crap with the TU-160 ... They gave the command, and who will do it? The old people have grown, and the youth will not work for 18000 - you can earn more by taxi in 10 days ...
      6. kamil_tt
        kamil_tt 10 December 2015 22: 09
        +3
        I decided to read the comments under this article in order to once again laugh at the fact that Obama and the geyropa are of course to blame for such situations, and vile fuckers, but ... I can’t believe my eyes! How unlike the usual rhetoric of VO! or a moderator on sick leave, or all the demagogues and sofa-militant false patriots are in hibernation today?
        It is nice to understand that there are normal, adequate people who look at the problems of their country without a red veil before their eyes and there are many! They do not make a cult of the next leader, but see the real pros and cons inherent in ordinary people, and at least admitting it is wrong .. Understanding that you do not need to look for the guilty on the side, where you should admit your mistakes, and therefore understand how to fix them instead of moving arrows to external enemies. Real patriots who know that patriotism must be educated, not on hatred of other nations, but on their love ..
      7. South Ural
        South Ural 14 December 2015 14: 01
        0
        In my opinion we are not America, but we are scaring ourselves
    3. max702
      max702 8 December 2015 16: 30
      19
      But this is work 5 and 6 columns am We are not afraid of tanks and guns, but our own traitors to bureaucrats! An official endowed with power and sitting in a key position is more terrible than a NATO base in Ukraine or the Baltic states .. With one movement, a simple signature under this or that document, he can cause tens of megatons of damage worse than a nuclear strike! The old truth is "Why buy a plant when you can buy a director .." There are a lot of such enterprises that exist on paper, but in reality do not, alas, the country's leadership is trying to do everything manually, not realizing that the error is systemic, but breaking the system is scary .. For KILL!
      1. varov14
        varov14 8 December 2015 21: 25
        +3
        So that you don’t have to kill, you need to do everything at night - you need to take the experience of your ancestors into service, there was management wisely and the main thing was what you wanted. This is our disposable syringes and then defective - they work in one direction.
    4. Koldunja
      Koldunja 8 December 2015 19: 13
      +5
      Good, necessary article! Even somehow there is nothing to comment on.
    5. ism_ek
      ism_ek 9 December 2015 11: 37
      +2
      The main problem of KMZ is that our army does not want to buy infantry fighting vehicles. The military says that you won’t drive a soldier into an infantry fighting vehicle, everyone is sitting on the armor.
      The plant was lucky that the paratroopers to the BMD did not cool, and the Volgograd plant that produced them went bankrupt. The Indonesians liked the floating car.
      KMZ's entry into UVZ holding has changed the situation a bit. The lobbying opportunities of the holding are higher. But UVZ itself now lies on its side, the demand for civilian products in Russia has fallen to zero, Export is closed due to sanctions, there is no tank competitive on the world market, and it cannot feed subsidiaries.
  2. SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 8 December 2015 06: 59
    +4
    Well, how so? Here you go!
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 8 December 2015 07: 59
      45
      Quote: Serge Boss
      Well, how so? Here you go!


      There was once in Kurgan famous factory "Kurgan wheel tractor". Many people remember his products in the old films. Once he released the MAZ-535, and a little later the MAZ-537 (truck tractor). But we are better known for the famous powerful machines with the wheel formula 8х8 КЗКТ 545, КЗКТ-7458 "Rusich", КЗКТ-8005. These tractors could transport semi-trailers weighing up to 100 tons, trailers weighing up to 80 tons, aircraft weighing up to 200 tons. Could ...

      Now they can not. There is no longer this plant. And the team in 11 000 people do not. The plant went bankrupt and was sold in parts at the end of April 2011.


      Not in itself he (the Plant) went bankrupt ...
      And thanks to officials, leaders of villains and thieves, each of them has a full name. And by the way, with the connivance of the Russian government. You might think there didn’t know anything upstairs ...
      1. ANTI.KORR.
        ANTI.KORR. 8 December 2015 15: 31
        18
        Quote: PSih2097
        in fact, there’s nothing archaic, you need tough state will

        Quote: sherp2015
        You might think there didn’t know anything upstairs ...

        Dear colleagues, here is a small list of industrial enterprises destroyed over the past 15 years:
        http://maxpark.com/community/2890/content/2108200
        It is no secret that the privatization will continue in the military industrial complex as well.
        And the main thing is that since 2003 there is no longer a single energy and resource system in the country.
        The beneficiaries of most mining, processing, generating, marketing companies, water utilities are residents of foggy albion and offshore companies.
        The government, in turn, annually raises tariffs and payments for the services of these same companies.
        And now the question is, how can the remaining scanty number of operating enterprises make ends meet with constantly rising energy costs and housing and communal services tariffs, in our climate, where on average 8 months out of 12 are winter and autumn ???
        Plus taxes!
        The country's leadership clearly played into privatization and financial speculation, and when the tanks were needed, they suddenly decided that it was enough to "give" money and tanks would grow out of them, but this does not happen.
        But there are still no development strategies, just as there are no plans for sectoral creation. There is no concept of development at all, that is, nothing is and is not foreseen. What more proof is needed that the leadership is incapable?
        1. scorpiosys
          scorpiosys 8 December 2015 22: 23
          +3
          OOO-chen you wrote correctly. Even the Armed Forces of Russia and those are practically emasculated with the help of Serdyukov, privatized and set up to serve the so-called. oil and gas "complex".
      2. Alf
        Alf 9 December 2015 22: 25
        +1
        Quote: sherp2015
        each of which has a full name
  3. ILYA M
    ILYA M 8 December 2015 07: 02
    25
    It just doesn’t fit on your head. Just shoot the bastards. No talking. No comments. No compromise.
    1. atos_kin
      atos_kin 8 December 2015 09: 02
      0
      Well, you, it's repression. You just need to find partners at the plant and sign an agreement with them with a frowning eyebrow.
      1. atos_kin
        atos_kin 8 December 2015 12: 41
        +4
        Quote: sherp2015
        thanks to officials, leaders of villains and thieves, each of whom has a full name And by the way, with the connivance of the Russian government. You might think there didn’t know anything upstairs ...

        Okay, persuaded: "Just SHOOT the bastards."
      2. varov14
        varov14 8 December 2015 21: 32
        0
        Do not urine urine, and since golik, you will not become a broom.
  4. 2s5giacints
    2s5giacints 8 December 2015 07: 06
    28
    when they put Rogozin, I thought against the background of his ebullient activity and high-profile statements, the situation in the military-industrial complex will go uphill. However, judging by the eastern cosmodrome, Omsk, and now it looks like pink glasses are starting to decline in the mound ... it seems like it didn’t go longer than the big words ..
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 07: 47
      21
      Quote: 2s5giacints
      when they put Rogozin, I thought against the background of his ebullient activity and loud statements

      I heard loud statements from Rogozin, but what about the intense activity what or did you mean twitter?
      1. Abrekkos
        Abrekkos 8 December 2015 13: 35
        11
        Rogozin, with all the desire, can not do anything. He is a talking head. He does not have his own budgets for direct authority.
        He only gives instructions and the ministers themselves decide what to execute and what not. It’s not him who sets them and not him to shoot or punish.
        We had it too. I made a promise ...
        The chef immediately said do not roll your lips - nothing depends on him.
        So it happened.
        1. scorpiosys
          scorpiosys 8 December 2015 22: 38
          +2
          I came across a photograph of Rogozin on an ATV (before that on him, on an ATV, there was a kind of "iron dummy", a robot ...) with a glowing face. Believe me, it's not me - filming laughing .
          1. Alf
            Alf 9 December 2015 22: 28
            0
            Quote: scorpiosys
            I came across a photograph of Rogozin on an ATV (before that on him, on an ATV, there was a kind of "iron dummy", a robot ...) with a glowing face. Believe me, it's not me - filming
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 8 December 2015 08: 01
      12
      Quote: 2s5giacints
      when they put Rogozin, I thought against the background of his ebullient activity and high-profile statements, the situation in the military-industrial complex will go uphill. However, judging by the eastern cosmodrome, Omsk, and now it looks like pink glasses are starting to decline in the mound ... it seems like it didn’t go longer than the big words ..


      Just look at his sleek and well-fed rye. sorry face and everything will immediately become clear ...
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    4. Hon
      Hon 8 December 2015 16: 38
      +6
      Quote: 2s5giacints
      when they put Rogozin, I thought against the background of his ebullient activity and high-profile statements, the situation in the military-industrial complex will go uphill. However, judging by the eastern cosmodrome, Omsk, and now it looks like pink glasses are starting to decline in the mound ... it seems like it didn’t go longer than the big words ..

      one of the cases with Rogozin
      Once a famous homeless man from Maryino drew the attention of his hamsters to an extremely interesting tender in public procurement. It was proposed to buy about 400 Glock pistols for 70 rubles for the needs of the army and navy. 000 pistols of 000 Baku guns each, for 400 lyama, when only 600 pieces are gained? In other words, the state was looking for an accomplice who would help to spend 2 million rubles from the budget. This fact has generated a lot of discussions on the network on the topic: "How much do they steal in the procurement of jeeps and submarines?" Annealed Rogozin, who first said that he gave the order to verify the reasonableness of prices on public procurement, and five hours later he began to claim that he had ordered to do so a week ago. Later, this swindler and thief erased the initial post so that no one doubted his honesty. Further, lamenting that “hamsters flock together and begin to spoil”, the Deputy Prime Minister, in his swaggering manner, advised Navalny to “deal with his boards”.
    5. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 8 December 2015 22: 33
      0
      "The bird GOVORUN is distinguished by intelligence and ingenuity ..." Well, I really don't remember which way ...
      But ... Talker ...
  5. furious
    furious 8 December 2015 07: 07
    37
    I myself work at the Arsenal defense plant in St. Petersburg. Unfortunately, we have a similar situation. Rogozin came and praised the plant, and as a result, over the past 2 years, the territory of the plant has almost halved (almost half of the plant is given to tenants), the problem is not in the government, but in the management of enterprises that are more profitable for a moment's profit, they sell the territory , rent out premises and machines, rather than look for orders and produce products. As a result, the plant refuses part of government orders ...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 December 2015 12: 42
      13
      the problem is not in the government, but in the management of enterprises that benefit from the momentary profit
      to remind the proverb about fish from the head, the fact that the country has created a situation. when the leaders of enterprises profitable momentary profit. who should answer?
    2. Consul-t
      Consul-t 8 December 2015 12: 46
      +4
      Was at your factory. Your leadership is horrible muddy.
      The situation in the workshops is slightly better overall than in other factories.
      But ... HR Director Medvedev ... a dark horse. Mudny.y.y.y.y
      The director seemed adequate, they seemed to talk normally, but the result ... a bunch.
    3. Abrekkos
      Abrekkos 8 December 2015 13: 40
      10
      the problem is not in the government, but in the management of enterprises that benefit from the momentary profit


      I’m embarrassed to ask: And who and why did you set up such leaders throughout the country? they have nothing to do with it?

      But the leadership of a high level of the main task is just the selection and placement of personnel.

      Because you need to look not at the consequences but at the causes.
  6. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 8 December 2015 07: 07
    +9
    It’s sad. But - I believe. Not even that, not just believed, but that is how it really is. In general, the mound shines with salaries, and looking at the photo of the collapsed chair, at the shabby robe and carrying, rewound with blue electrical tape ... sadness
    1. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 8 December 2015 17: 26
      +1
      If you chew a little snot and fill up the KMZ, then our town can be renamed into a working village! The situation at the moment has allegedly improved: they provided gas and heat until December 15, the "owner" promised to pay off debts.
    2. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 8 December 2015 17: 26
      0
      If you chew a little snot and fill up the KMZ, then our town can be renamed into a working village! The situation at the moment has allegedly improved: they provided gas and heat until December 15, the "owner" promised to pay off debts.
  7. ekebastus
    ekebastus 8 December 2015 07: 09
    +8
    There is such garbage at Mashzavod .... It is not known where the money goes from the products sold ...
  8. Obstructia
    Obstructia 8 December 2015 07: 09
    +9
    Our state can only rip off levies for "overhaul". And to do something real, so God forbid: after all, you need to spend money on this, and after all, their hands are still stretching out. Alas.
  9. Flinky
    Flinky 8 December 2015 07: 10
    +8
    Defective owners, so that the devil tore them with raw logs.
  10. Nitarius
    Nitarius 8 December 2015 07: 10
    13
    To the wall must be put for SUCH OWNERS!
    1. dima mzk
      dima mzk 8 December 2015 09: 42
      +5
      The state is the main owner of defense enterprises! trawling wali began again, boots sandals ... although it didn't actually end, in one place they darn on the other side it breaks. "And the people look late in the evening, as Irada Zeynalova praises us"
  11. Stoler
    Stoler 8 December 2015 07: 11
    +7
    From the heights of snickering creatures "thinking about the Motherland" a working man is seen less than a bug, but a lot is needed for a "bug"? They would have crushed him a long time ago and it smelled painful, easier to scratch. angry
  12. ekebastus
    ekebastus 8 December 2015 07: 13
    14
    Moreover, all kinds of LLCs were opened inside the plant ... A blacksmith shop inside the plant whose private office ....
  13. KiryakovDenis
    KiryakovDenis 8 December 2015 07: 21
    22
    The author mentioned the KZKT.
    I can say that I have not heard a more sad history of an industrial enterprise. My father left the factory shortly before his bankruptcy of the KZKT, the situation was awful. The salary was delayed for several months, part of the defense plant, even before its bankruptcy was given over to the ice cream production workshop !!!
    But the factory once had advanced production, its foundries. When I was doing my first practice there, we had a short excursion as part of the ACS department (I don’t remember exactly), even the scale of this small unit was breathtaking from the capacities ... Very sad ...
    1. Konstantin Yu
      Konstantin Yu 8 December 2015 08: 21
      23
      I confirm ... my family has worked ALL my life at KZKT, ... with the collapse they spent on retirement ... And it's also a shame that THE MINSK PLANT WAS BROKEN FOR THE BELARUSSIANS AND ORDERS AND Wages AND HOT WATER .. Now their dad turns up his nose "..Russia owes nothing." I would come to Kurgan and see what our friendship with the "brotherly" people costs us .. It looks like a real sabotage.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        8 December 2015 09: 48
        21
        And now Old Man declares that "I'll see how Russia builds tractors for missiles without us." Knows what he is talking about. And he has no need to go to Kurgan.
        1. Consul-t
          Consul-t 8 December 2015 14: 57
          +5
          Well, where does our guarantor look?
          We help everyone except our people.
          1. IAlex
            IAlex 8 December 2015 15: 55
            +8
            He helps his people just that, because his people make up 13% of the population, well, there are all sorts of Rottenbergs and Chubais. Well, the remaining 87% of the sheep intended for shearing and selling are not considered by the population because they would * be ...
      2. asiat_61
        asiat_61 9 December 2015 08: 26
        0
        But what kind of shopping center is it? When my daughter called the address of the shopping center, I did not believe my ears. We arrived and I had to believe my eyes. There is a sign on the next building .. SOLD ...
  14. sergant89
    sergant89 8 December 2015 07: 23
    27
    Only mats ... and all the same, Comrade Stalin I.V. and successful "manager" Beria L.P. am .
  15. Shark Lover
    Shark Lover 8 December 2015 07: 31
    11
    Economists and the entire government to fix it in Chukotka, it's cool there, let the snow be cut. In general, to equate to terrorists half of financiers, financiers playing on financial markets, engaged in making money out of money, drones that do not produce anything. Finance is the most formidable and sophisticated weapon, worse than nuclear weapons, this weapon gets to everyone without exception. Therefore, equate actions with sophisticated ter. acts. Okay, in the government, it’s clear there, bastards, preoccupied with one thing, loot. But the heads of defense enterprises !!!! Apparently they put their own effective managers, fosterlings of Gaidar, "Gaidarists" and the like.
  16. parusnik
    parusnik 8 December 2015 07: 35
    10
    But the business does not begin with Rogozin’s hot statements, but with hot water in the shower and hot batteries in the workshop.... Yes .. understandable accusations against Rogozin, but Rogozin will not go, give hot water in the shower .. we have lived faith in a good gentleman, a gentleman will come, he will judge a good one .. Here is a guide who breaks down the plant who they are ? I suppose they vote for EP ... swear allegiance to the president and others, but who really? .. Enemies .. in the truest sense of the word .. And there are many such enemies in Russia .. I work at a state-owned enterprise and they steal from us .. .from the management ... to a simple worker ... whoever can, the state is rich ... How can I fight ... by affordable methods ... I made sure that the calculations, for example, would go only after the work was done, but how it was ... we will pay the advance , no company, no money .. and the money left in my pocket .. I’m not alone, but we are few .. yes it’s hard for us .. Much goes with a creak .. And who if not us? God is high, far from the president ..
  17. SANAY
    SANAY 8 December 2015 07: 43
    23
    As a young man, I worked for eight years at the KMZ. Well, what can I say! A huge, modern plant with Japanese machines for cutting aluminum armor and so on, so on, so on ... At that time, the plant produced completely unique BMP-3s, which had no analogues at that time, various modifications: reconnaissance, staff, etc. The wild 90s knocked down production, but the team continued to create high-tech operational developments and concepts. In those years, they tried to make conversion goods: pots, bagel production lines - ridiculously simple. Forest machines and ISSMs were still in demand somehow, but the rest was not. The plant fell into decay and is still in this state. In spite of government orders, the "OWNER" is constantly changing. We, ordinary people, do not know why the state with such relief and joy got rid of and is getting rid of high-tech industries through suspicious privatization. Yes! I almost forgot. The last "OWNER" is something with something! They appeared suddenly, and began with rudeness and layoffs. In Kurgan, there are terrible rumors that, despite the state defense order, now there will definitely be a tryndets at KMZ. These figures do not need BMP-3, BMD-4, or Kurganets. They want one ..................................
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 8 December 2015 08: 05
      +6
      Quote: SANAY
      When I was young, I worked for eight years at KMZ. Well, what can I say! A huge, modern plant with Japanese machines for cutting aluminum armor and so on, so on, so on ... At that time, the plant produced completely unique BMP-3s, which had no analogues at that time, various modifications: reconnaissance, staff, etc. The wild 90s knocked down production, but the team continued to create high-tech operational developments and concepts. In those years, they tried to make conversion goods: pots, bagel production lines - ridiculously simple. Forest machines and ISSMs were still in demand somehow, but the rest was not. The plant fell into decay and is still in this state. In spite of government orders, "OWNER" is constantly changing. We, ordinary people, do not know why the state with such relief and joy got rid of and is getting rid of high-tech industries through suspicious privatization. Yes! I almost forgot. The last "OWNER" is something with something! They appeared suddenly, and started with rudeness and layoffs. In Kurgan, there are terrible rumors that, despite the state defense order, now there will definitely be a tryndets at KMZ. These figures do not need BMP-3, BMD-4, or Kurganets. They want one ............


      What do you want from such a government: jellied meat, Lebanese, Cossacks, mouse-violators ...
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 9 December 2015 09: 43
      +1
      Quote: SANAY
      The last "OWNER" is something with something! They appeared suddenly, and began with rudeness and layoffs. In Kurgan, there are terrible rumors that, despite the state defense order, now there will definitely be a tryndets at KMZ. These figures do not need BMP-3, BMD-4, or Kurganets. They want one

      sad Yes, we in the majority believe that the 5th column is some kind of pests, which through the media and some clubs will stir up the people for uprisings, in fact, the 5th column has already been grown in the 90s. Capitalism implies the exploitation of one segment of society by another. And then, as a consequence, a good life, dear habits, grabbing - all this was instilled with the "western market". It's just that officials and others who have funds, and often not their own, have more tools for mastering the introduced hybrid named "the master of life." They were taught to live beautifully, spare no money, eat tasty food, travel for treatment / study abroad. Now prices are growing - they have spawned children, and they also need to be attached somewhere, well, and friends of comrades / drinking companions / accomplices for bread places. From where such people can come up with sound thoughts and ideas how to benefit the state and the responsible sector
  18. Stinger
    Stinger 8 December 2015 07: 46
    +3
    The weapons of the proletariat are not letters, but cobblestones.
    1. SANAY
      SANAY 8 December 2015 07: 51
      15
      In Kurgan, decent people live, not yet up to the cobblestones. The engineering staff is wonderful. And the workers on digital machines are real professionals who can do micron gaps on parts. Here power is needed, not cobblestone. And the Kurgan government is toothless, so the people write to the President.
      1. asiat_61
        asiat_61 9 December 2015 08: 32
        0
        Nobody will soon be working in Kurgan. Many work either in Tyumen, Sverdlovsk, Chelyabinsk or in the north. Retirees will retire and there will remain one manager.
  19. michajlo
    michajlo 8 December 2015 07: 49
    30
    Good morning everybody!

    To the authors of the article, Alexander and Roman, many THANKS!

    The article is very relevant and the topic of the article is especially important now that Russia has been DRAWN into the next Great Patriotic War (World War II) and the 3rd World War, although the authorities will announce us the beginning of it in the spring and summer of 2016.

    Note:

    Quite since the 2nd-MV (World War) began with the Spanish Civil War in 1937 after the coup staged by General Franco and the battles of the guilty internationalists (brigades, or communist brigades, with VOLUNTEERS / not "volunteers" / from all over the world), and not with 1939, when Germany started the war and the occupation of Western and Eastern European countries.

    I am not an alarmist and I do not predict, and especially I DO NOT WAIT for the defeat of the RUSSIAN ARMY!

    But the foundation
    - for regular and timely deliveries and repairs of military equipment, ammunition,
    - OWN FOOD PRODUCTION,
    - the peace of the soldiers on the front line for their relatives in the rear,
    - who have work,
    - receive a SALARY,
    - heated and full,

    IS AN EFFECTIVE, WORKING AND MANAGED NATIONAL STATE ECONOMY,

    and not the remnants of industry and agricultural production, STILL non-resident and UNDECOUNTED by the perestroika, privatizers, reformers and current OPTIMATIZERS over the past 30 years from the beginning of "Perestroika" and 24 years from the collapse of the USSR.

    All the current ministers, the government and the rich people of Russia / owners of factories and plants, think about how ONLY to warm up their hands "on the next military order", and not about how to develop, produce high-quality and inexpensive military equipment and food, to raise the personnel of designers, technologists, working specialists for the military-industrial complex of Russia.

    The war has already begun, and only a FILLED MONTHS are left for us to prepare for large-scale military operations,
    and the well-fed years of high oil prices, foreign exchange earnings to the state budget, a more or less stable economy, NOT STAGNATIONS, RECESSIONS and Sanctions - ALREADY PASSED.

    Only a blind person does not see that Russia and the EAEU have been since 2013. The West has declared and is successfully conducting a WAR, Russia has been directly and indirectly persecuted in politics, sports, trade, the economy and other fields !!!

    Yes, Russia's foreign policy itself, over the past 5-8 years, has been planned, SUCCESSFUL and predictable, and the authority of Russia of its President in the world has significantly grown!

    But without a STRONG STATE and NATIONAL-ORIENTED ECONOMY, aimed at ensuring the WELL-BEING OF THE WHOLE PEOPLE
    and not the current policy of guaranteeing impunity for thieves, robbers, relatives and lazy people in government,
    Russia will spend much more time and suffer unnecessary losses of personnel,
    because on the front line in time there will not be that and this that the ARMY and WARRIORS need today and not TOMORROW.

    And that policy in the media about the role of Stalin's great importance in the development and defense of the USSR, which can be traced over the past 6-8 years in Russia, directly indicates that "some in the country's top leadership" have long and consistently PREPARED for a single correct and the necessary domestic policy for the country, and not for the benefit of the PEST AND CHEERERS of the Motherland, who have entrenched themselves firmly in ALL LEVELS of the Motherland's government.

    When the current policy changes to PEOPLE, we will all see in the next 6-18 months, and I personally expect dramatic changes.

    Michael, Smolensk / Pskov.
  20. surrozh
    surrozh 8 December 2015 08: 00
    +6
    "You will kill one with a sword, and a thousand with a word" (c). The business of the owners is, JSC is not a state office. And Rogozin is a journalist by profession, fiery speeches are his, what kind of production worker there is.
  21. Far
    Far 8 December 2015 08: 01
    13
    Here you have the ever-aching business about all kinds of checks, which for some reason everyone should almost kiss in the ass. Yes, the labor and tax inspectorate should not go off them until order is put in place.
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  24. Gray 43
    Gray 43 8 December 2015 08: 27
    13
    Do not plant with us for the destruction of enterprises ..... for some reason
  25. Give the light
    Give the light 8 December 2015 08: 38
    +6
    Soooo it means not at one factory, not in one city such a misfortune. And we all shout that they are strong and everything is good?! So that's why the troops are replenished with a scanty amount of BT .... And it turns out that the mafia has its own country in Russia :)
  26. Kostyanich
    Kostyanich 8 December 2015 08: 41
    +3
    workers need to take their products to the streets and drive very slowly. It will not work otherwise
    The bosses can hardly hear the workers in the silence of their cozy warm rooms
    1. SANAY
      SANAY 8 December 2015 11: 45
      0
      It seems that the prosecutor’s office was busy and Guber is in a frying pan
  27. oracul
    oracul 8 December 2015 08: 51
    17
    And what do you want everything to go smoothly and quietly. Yes, no, this will not happen to my colleagues, since the West is undergoing a powerful attack on Russia in all directions. Therefore, we often remember about the "fifth column" and occasionally agents of influence from the late 80s. But they have not gone anywhere, moreover, some of them have adapted well to the new conditions, have grown in positions. Add to them all kinds of dirty tricks, who want to live richly no matter what. They don't care about the country, they don't care about the needs of the people. Such individuals are concerned exclusively with their own self-interest and their own pocket. Such people will easily sell state secrets, stop defense production under a plausible pretext, let the professionals leave, and then refer to the lack of manpower. And here the problem is not in Rogozin, but in those bureaucrats, advisers and consultants who have settled in ministries and departments, surrounded by a dense cohort of leaders and blocking the passage of real information. I am writing about this not from words, but based on my own experience and the received "replies" from different levels, up to the State Duma, the Presidential Administration. The conclusion is not mine - Stalin, but I unambiguously agree with him - cadres decide everything. The trouble with VVP is that it does not want to be repeated 37th year. I think that conditions have changed so much that it is impossible, but ... ... without strict administration, which is based on planning, organization, placement of personnel and control (classic management), there can be no effective management. The example of successful owners only confirms this. I had a chance to work with one such. Of course, not everything was done in the classical sense, sometimes with elements of tyranny, which was used by some workers, but there was severe control, sometimes to the smallest detail, and demand. Well, and if, God forbid, caused damage, the dismissal followed immediately. I do not agree - go to court. The owner understands everything, there is a direct interest - money. True, this does not at all guarantee against bankruptcy. The state is the same owner, it has different tasks, but it also has great opportunities (in planning - today it is more sectoral, organizations - the example of Sochi shows this, financing - the budget, in work with personnel - the education system, in organizing control - and here, calling things by their proper names, there is a failure: the old system is being destroyed, but the new one is not being created - liberalization is stubbornly going on (in essence, this is permissiveness)) and they should be used for the good of the country. The government headed by Medvedev cannot cope with this task. I don’t know about you, but I have nothing but irony about Ulyukayev’s idea to privatize Rosneft. The largest and successfully operating company is proposed, albeit in part, to be given over to private owners. What the state will get from this - a one-time amount, and what the private owner will receive - systemic dividends and the ability to influence its work. The question arises - who benefits from it in the first place?
  28. VL33
    VL33 8 December 2015 09: 12
    0
    The government has no time to deal with and re-equip such plants. 11 thousand people have to do this. This is a very large enterprise! It is clear that now other technologies and needs combined with capabilities, but we must not lose production, at least reduce and save for further revival. The country is big and I do not believe that my tractors are not needed!
    1. anip
      anip 8 December 2015 09: 27
      +9
      Quote: VL33
      The government has no time to deal with and re-equip such plants.

      Why then is a government that has no time to deal with the economy?

      Quote: VL33
      11 thousand people have to do this. This is a very large enterprise!

      That is, the workers themselves took ka-a-a-ak, but ka-a-a-ak began to engage in modernization and the like. But where are all these leaders and effective top managers? It seems to be their direct responsibility. Or would it be more correct to call them defective top managers? Then the salaries why the defective ones are by no means among them, but among ordinary workers?
  29. Noncombatant
    Noncombatant 8 December 2015 09: 20
    +3
    Quote: VL33
    The government has no time to engage and re-equip such plants

    In the gas chamber then such a government, since it "has no time."
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  31. Far
    Far 8 December 2015 09: 25
    +2
    Quote: kostyanich
    workers need to take their products to the streets and drive very slowly. It will not work otherwise
    The bosses can hardly hear the workers in the silence of their cozy warm rooms
    Thought is not brought to its logical conclusion. What `s next? Let's start building communism or democracy again? Or maybe the money will appear sharply in the budget (although judging by the article finances go to the enterprise)? This thing is systemic and applies to almost any enterprise throughout the country. Our people are simply afraid of a private trader complaining about labor. There is no question of trade unions.
  32. Noncombatant
    Noncombatant 8 December 2015 09: 38
    +4
    Quote: anip
    In order not to paint what and how, I’ll just give this letter in full.

    "Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich! Many factories in the city of Kurgan have been liquidated, now the question of all employees of the Kurgan Machine-Building Plant OJSC about its future fate is very disturbing. ....
    The workers' wages are minimal, on average 10-15 thousand rubles. There are a lot of problems at this enterprise and the management knows about everything, but does not take any action. We, employees of OJSC "Kurganmashzavod", ask you to stop the arbitrariness of the management - the collapse of the enterprise! Patience is at its limit, and there is no more strength to be silent and wait for no one knows what! "

    I hope, of course, to whose address it is written.

    Now hurray-patriots will run, screaming "you-all-lying", "race-rises-with-hot", "work-must-not-on-the-oven-lie."
    And they will not be aware of it in their cheering Utriotic frenzy, that this has been Putin's economy for the past 16 years.


    It is difficult to admit that you were once again given a ride. 16 years in a row. How many times already in the account. That sacramental question: "Who are you, Mr. Putin?" Is gradually taking the form of an answer: "Mr. Putin is a temporary worker." But of course, this is also part of the wonderful Tricky Plan. By the way, in the 90s, a whole product line was sold, from pasta to oatmeal cookies with the Dovgan label. There was a persistent opinion that products under this sign are of higher quality, for which one has to pay, albeit a higher price. Later, it turned out that the luminary of post-Soviet commerce under the name Dovgan (I think the original was Zilberman), simply sculpted labels with his face and surname, for almost any product. Everything was on the conscience of the manufacturers. Someone made quite suitable minced meat, however, in no way overlapping the quality of home-grown Soviet ones, although such manufacturers were in a significant minority, and someone, without a twinge of conscience, stuffed the meat-like mass with all kinds of slag. All this splendor was covered by the surname "Dovgan", which is an example of a "quality guarantor". The secret was simple. Monsieur Dovgan did not skimp on a PR campaign that was not yet very well known in Russia, or, more simply, an accessible campaign. It's 2015. Someone came up with a "Tricky Plan" that endows Putin with almost supernatural powers. The Russians have dealt with "Dovgan". Now here is the "HPP". Do our unfortunate fellow citizens constantly need to gain experience only through pain and bitterness of privation? Ehhh ...
  33. Ilya77
    Ilya77 8 December 2015 09: 42
    +5
    It's a shame, AvtoVAZ covered the Volga Mechanical Plant, they made domestic-made roller and screw pairs and industrial robots, right now they will do stampings for basins ...
  34. Human-dv
    Human-dv 8 December 2015 09: 44
    +2
    Quote: Nitarius
    To the wall must be put for SUCH OWNERS!


    Pure water - wrecking. To plant, at least!
    1. NeRTT
      NeRTT 8 December 2015 10: 13
      +4
      Yes, not wrecking, but-Sabotage !!! Such leaders in the link to the north of the road to build !!! sad
  35. Fat
    Fat 8 December 2015 09: 55
    +9
    P.V. Romanov, Hero of Socialist Labor: CRISIS IS EXTREMES OF LIBERALS. The management system of the Russian Federation gave preference to people who do not have practical skills in organizing production, who do not know which side to approach the lathe ...
    this says almost everything
  36. Koshel2901
    Koshel2901 8 December 2015 09: 59
    +6
    Mr. President, UNTIL ALL THIS WILL CONTINUE INSIDE THE COUNTRY ???
    1. Askin
      Askin 8 December 2015 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: Koshel2901
      Mr. President, UNTIL ALL THIS WILL CONTINUE INSIDE THE COUNTRY ???

      Until 2024 you can be sure of it!
      1. Koshel2901
        Koshel2901 8 December 2015 10: 21
        0
        Cool avatar !!! Self portrait or your essence ???
        1. Askin
          Askin 8 December 2015 10: 30
          +2
          Quote: Koshel2901
          Cool avatar !!! Self portrait or your essence ???

          Self portrait of course!
  37. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 8 December 2015 09: 59
    +3
    Quote: Banshee
    And now Old Man declares that "I'll see how Russia builds tractors for missiles without us." Knows what he is talking about. And he has no need to go to Kurgan.

    .. It looks like they raised another Perdogan
  38. Belousov
    Belousov 8 December 2015 10: 04
    12
    And how many such plants across the country? And everyone knows everything, but no one does anything. And no one is responsible for the collapse of the country; instead, the Yeltsin Center is opened for 7 billion (!!!).
    1. Askin
      Askin 8 December 2015 10: 18
      11
      Quote: Belousov
      And how many such plants across the country? And everyone knows everything, but no one does anything. And no one is responsible for the collapse of the country; instead, the Yeltsin Center is opened for 7 billion (!!!).

      MOSCOW, December 1. / TASS /. The construction of a new parliamentary center in the Moscow district of Nizhny Mnevniki will begin in 2016. The head of the Duma commission for the construction of the center, Vladimir Resin, assured reporters of this.
      The issue price is 1.5 billion dollars!
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 8 December 2015 12: 12
        12
        Does this shit on the Capitol Hill remind me of one? negative
        1. Egevich
          Egevich 8 December 2015 12: 53
          +2
          Quote: vadimtt
          Does this shit on the Capitol Hill remind me of one? negative

          this is p.e.d.s.ovsky ZKP
        2. atos_kin
          atos_kin 8 December 2015 12: 53
          +2
          This is so that the Varangians have less stress when they move in. negative
        3. Alf
          Alf 9 December 2015 22: 38
          +2
          Quote: vadimtt
          Does this shit on the Capitol Hill remind me of one?

          This is a branch.
      2. IAlex
        IAlex 8 December 2015 15: 52
        +1
        I hope they will invite the Tajiks to steal the dough, and during the next booze this shack will fall apart and punish all these "chosen ones" of the green dollar ...
  39. 31rus
    31rus 8 December 2015 10: 04
    12
    Dear, well, at least it’s good to wake up at least, where do you live? Yes, this mess is everywhere on the railway, in transport, in the military-industrial complex, mechanical engineering, and most importantly in the heads of officials who report and report, by the way, the course for the privatization of state property will continue, who will the heads of these privatized objects, the answer is obvious "their people" who need money, not production, and even more so people working there
  40. V.ic
    V.ic 8 December 2015 10: 32
    +5
    A little more than 20 years ago, I read in the "perestroika" editions just before the "chubys" privatization "friendly criticism" of the Bolshevik-Communists: "They only knew how to take away and divide all their lives, but did not learn to add and multiply." ... To catch that "smart guy" and burn the same rag on his head. The oligarchs and the pa.dal.shchiki who were fed by them learned how to add and multiply only in their own pockets. This is how they cultivate class hatred by their unseemly actions.
  41. Far
    Far 8 December 2015 10: 34
    10
    Quote: 31rus
    Dear, well, at least it’s good to wake up at least, where do you live? Yes, this mess is everywhere on the railway, in transport, in the military-industrial complex, mechanical engineering, and most importantly in the heads of officials who report and report, by the way, the course for the privatization of state property will continue, who will the heads of these privatized objects, the answer is obvious "their people" who need money, not production, and even more so people working there
    It is much worse that this is only half of the truth, the second half (which we are afraid to admit to ourselves) is that the same mess is in the heads of our entire society, our children grew up with a priority on material wealth in the first place, and we ourselves were "oskotin" "for 25 post-Soviet years. Congratulations! we live in a society of egoists, where the interests of the country are of secondary importance.
  42. zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 8 December 2015 10: 44
    +5
    Yes, there has been and will be such a thing in the country !!! until they introduce harsh criminal punishment for officials, up to the execution. As for about to walk around, Serdyukov, damn it, that ... YES ANYTHING, is chewing on. Lord officials steal further, you have a GREEN LIGHT.
  43. PROSTEEL
    PROSTEEL 8 December 2015 10: 45
    +1
    I wonder how it turns out that defense orders do not solve the problem of non-payment for a communal apartment? What are the prices of these orders? Or at what prices communal?


    Gentlemen, read this article "Devastating special account" http://vpk.name/news/144914_razgromnyii_specschet.html, I think you will get answers to many questions. In short, now all the money (defense order, etc.) goes to one account and you CANNOT pay communal and salary from it !!! So that at least 10 billion will be in the accounts, but the enterprise will not be able to pay salary and pay off debts for gas.

    Think for yourself, decide for yourself ... hi
  44. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 8 December 2015 10: 55
    0
    I know a defense factory, which is exactly the same thing.
  45. horoh
    horoh 8 December 2015 11: 43
    +1
    I knew that everything was bad in our Kurgan, but I didn’t know that to such an extent.
  46. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 8 December 2015 12: 10
    +7
    The voice of one crying in the desert ... The current Russian "elite" is not interested in the country's defense capability, they do not need this country, they are interested in this country only as long as they can steal, and they will dump to the west at the first opportunity, and so EVERYWHERE IN RUSSIA. The country is not needed even for ordinary people who see how the "elite" behaves. People think, why should I PROTECT these fattening thieves? And as a result, THIS COUNTRY IS NOT NEEDED BY ANYONE! The paradox is that it still exists!
  47. vadimtt
    vadimtt 8 December 2015 12: 18
    +4
    Here's another Moscow plant "DIOD" in your piggy bank. Until the 90s he made all sorts of photodiodes and other interesting infrared devices for the military-industrial complex (and not only). Its own line for growing crystals, its own packaging, its own design bureau. Then privatization. The result is the production of "Chizhevsky's Chandelier" at first (at least some kind of electronics), and now - the production of dietary supplements. Oh, progress damn ...
    All semiconductor processing lines were cut and scrapped (there were enough color and precious metals there), the design bureau was dispersed. That's how we work ...
  48. samara-58
    samara-58 8 December 2015 12: 36
    +5
    And why are you unclear? America was discovered, but where were your squeaks about 15-20 years ago? .. I, in my city, will list the heels of the largest plants without a trace of which and what? The news of the day plaque fly !!! fool
  49. tolancop
    tolancop 8 December 2015 12: 50
    +4
    I look at what is happening and seditious thought creeps in: many pebbles were laid in the foundation of the 1945 Victory in 1937 ....
    1. SPLV
      SPLV 8 December 2015 15: 26
      +1
      Quote: tolancop
      in the foundation of Victory 1945 many pebbles were laid in precisely 1937 ....

      Not only. 1917 year was no less important. And now we are forced to forget it by all means. We remember the victory, but we do not remember the sweat and blood. For the majority, this is an occasion for fun and self-identification with the great ones, but only the majority has no relation to these great ones now.
      And blaming all the blame on the authorities is simple. But no one would even think of blaming themselves for promoting theft. The guilt is not removed from the power, but the responsibility lies with everyone. And where does the homeland begin for everyone?
  50. casparcaspar
    casparcaspar 8 December 2015 13: 09
    16 th
    I read ... thoughtful. Just some Svidomo censor !!! Everyone seeks to speak out about certain shortcomings and toss the shit of muck into Russia. Well, I learned that there are problems, well, shut up. Vladimir Vladimirovich already knows about them, he is working on a question. And to call for the shooting of those whom he appointed is to spit in the face of a popularly and unanimously elected president!
    Yes, factories are closing. Yes, in defense factories, even a reduction of 20-30 percent. Factories are working on old equipment. The ruble is crumbling. But there’s a war going on! For centuries, liberals have been destroying our Empire! Vladimir Vladimirovich has only been in power for 15 years ...
    Yes, I personally have a little better - a warm office with a European-quality repair, a new Mondeo from the company, a salary per one hundred parts, I work 3-4 hours a day. But I support our power, and not as Navalny I’m looking for something else to puke. I am for Russia, and you are destroying it under the pretext of such liberal, scribbled letters.
    1. qwert
      qwert 8 December 2015 15: 57
      +4
      Quote: casparcaspar
      Yes, factories are closing. Yes, in defense factories even reduction of 20-30 percent. Factories are working on old equipment. The ruble is crumbling. But there’s a war going on!

      Therefore, one must think about the defense industry, and not about the new parliamentary palaces and the benefits of the oligarchs.
      Quote: casparcaspar
      Vladimir Vladimirovich only 15 years in power ...

      So compare, what kind of leap did the USSR make industrially from the total devastation of the 1920 year to the 1935 year?
      That's who GDP needs to be aligned with.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 10 December 2015 15: 55
      +1
      No one recognized sarcasm in the campaign. So thin that even thick.