KMZ: defense order for 96% we will execute. If not extinct ...

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I read the press, especially on current topics of war in Syria and the ATO in Ukraine. I want to be aware of the capabilities of the enemy and our capabilities. I do not call for war, no. But in order to "check the powder flasks," I urge. Any sane person understands that gunpowder is good only when it is dry.

I recall our delight after the parade on May 9 of this year. With what pleasure we looked at new Tanks, new APCs, new infantry fighting vehicles. Power, beauty, confidence. And pride. We could, we are no worse than our fathers and grandfathers. And our technique is the best.

It was then, in May, many readers learned about the existence of a plant in Kurgan, which brought to life what became the basis of our pride. I will not tire of listing everything that is produced in Kurgan. Three items are enough. Only three, so that the reader understood. BMD-4M, "Kurganets-25" - a platform for armored vehicles, BTR "Shell".

At present, in the present conditions such an enterprise cannot be unprofitable in terms of the product range. All three products are not just needed by our army. They were vital yesterday. And the government understands this. Therefore, the orders and the factory literally littered until the end of 2017 year.

Literally a bit stories. For those who are not very familiar with Kurganmashzavod.

The factory was founded in 1950. From 1954, he switched to military production. In particular, tracked tractor. These machines were widely used not only in the army, but also in the oilmen of Siberia and the Arctic. From 1967, he began mass production of infantry fighting vehicles. Currently it is the only company where such equipment is manufactured.

Today KMZ - one of the world's largest exporters of BMP. 28 countries of the world buy these cars of various modifications, and in India and Slovakia, enterprises have been created that produce licensed BMP-1 and 2.

KMZ: defense order for 96% we will execute. If not extinct ...


In order to unify the BMP-3 already distributed in the army with the Airborne combat vehicles, the KMZ designers developed and tested new BMD-4 vehicles.



Since 2005, the plant became part of the concern "Tractor Plants".



And now the unexpected. The very fig, which is in the pocket. I read the letter on Change.org, and an explosion occurs in my head. Well, can not be. Some kind of nonsense. In order not to paint what and how, just give this letter completely.

"Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich! Many factories of the city of Kurgan have been liquidated, now the question of all future workers of Kurgan Machine-Building Plant about its future fate is very worrying. The debts of the enterprise led to a delay in wages, switching off heating, hot water and gas in the enterprise, people are forced to work in inhuman conditions, the temperature in the shops + 5 + 7 degrees. Due to the low temperature in the shops, the equipment can not work in full, and the equipment itself leaves much to be desired. working on machines with emulsion, hands freeze. After work, people are forced to take a cold shower. And this is all at a time when military equipment is assembled at the plant - BMP vehicles. It also collects civilian products, such as MKSM, tracked all-terrain vehicles. There are minimal workers, on average 10-15, because there are a lot of problems at this enterprise and the management knows everything, but doesn’t take any actions. We, the workers of OJSC Kurganmashzavod, ask to stop the arbitrariness of the management - the collapse of the enterprise! Patience at the limit, and there is no more strength to remain silent and wait for what is not known! "

I hope, of course, to whose address it is written.

I read several comments under this letter. To be honest, horror. How can this be? And then he looked at the rest of the Kurgan plants. Just looked and understood: it may well be.

There was once in Kurgan famous factory "Kurgan wheel tractor". Many people remember his products in the old films. Once he released the MAZ-535, and a little later the MAZ-537 (truck tractor). But we are better known for the famous powerful machines with the wheel formula 8х8 КЗКТ 545, КЗКТ-7458 "Rusich", КЗКТ-8005. These tractors could transport semi-trailers weighing up to 100 tons, trailers weighing up to 80 tons, aircraft weighing up to 200 tons. Could ...

Now they can not. There is no longer this plant. And the team in 11 000 people do not. The plant went bankrupt and was sold in parts at the end of April 2011.

Naturally, we will keep the situation at the plant under control. I wonder how it turns out that defense orders do not solve the problem of non-payment of communal? At what prices are these orders? Or at what prices communal? But in any case, it is impossible to demand outstanding success from a team that works in such conditions. A person who is thinking about how to warm his hands and wash himself after the shift will not think about how to increase the output and ensure its proper quality.

And then we are forced to "express concern" with another exploding carrier rocket or a satellite that did not work. And express. And what's the point?

Just recently, we wrote about the plant "Omsktransmash". And we wrote not only. And I am glad that everything worked out at the factory. Up to the point that the workers who had already been dismissed due to reduction were being touched back. And the workers returned, leaving other places. Maybe more profitable. As one of the "returnees," "plant, he's native ..."

Many good and clever words are spoken on the theme of the revival of our military-industrial complex. But you have to do it. And it begins not with Rogozin’s hot statements, but with hot water in the shower and hot batteries in the workshop.
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  1. +5
    8 December 2015 06: 49
    However, w ...
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    2. +145
      8 December 2015 09: 00
      It is a pity that you cannot put 10 pluses to the article. Because it is worth a dozen articles about how stupid "Poroshenko and Abama" are, or about how we scared America to death with our strikes in Syria and overflights of the American island. Here is one of the articles because of which I read TOPVAR, and not Lenta or Komersant-Daily !!

      Although, of course, what is described in the article does not please, but frightens. This is what we are "scaring" America with now. If this goes on, our enemies will only have to wait a decade. Of course, there are a lot of questions for the president too. Naturally, sorry for the people. 11 people with KZKT, this is 000 families without income. I was unemployed, I know how creepy it is, especially for family people with children
      1. -55
        8 December 2015 09: 34
        Quote: qwert
        It is a pity that you cannot put 10 pluses to the article. Because it is worth a dozen articles about how stupid "Poroshenko and Abama" are, or about how we scared America to death with our strikes in Syria and overflights of the American island.

        It is impossible to deprive "Uryakalok" of feeding.
        1. +69
          8 December 2015 09: 42
          Quote: qwert
          described in the article does not please, but scares


          Don't be afraid here. After all, this happens not only in Kurgan. Volgograd, Voronezh, Tula ... There is such a thing on a heap of military enterprises. And it can be worse. We decided, for example, to place a state order at the Polyus NPO on a radio station. Rogozin rode up, and found out that there is NO WHERE to place! The plant is torn apart, a bunch of tenants and owners are sitting in workshops and rivet furniture, spare parts, and so on.

          Dima popereshchal, ordered to disperse everyone, but it is easy to say, but to do it more difficult. Especially if there is "brilliant green" on the square. For a year already, the war has been going on with showdowns, they are trying to cancel the privatization. And the order has already left for another plant.
          1. +58
            8 December 2015 11: 43
            and all because the management is made up of "effective managers" who can only bankrupt, and they were not taught to put them on the feet of the enterprise. recourse
            It hurts to read this of course!
            But if such managers would be imprisoned for 10 years with confiscation of property, I think a lesson would be indicative.
            And so they will be removed from their posts at best, when the bastard has already stolen millions, or even billions.
            1. +18
              8 December 2015 20: 55
              Well, still managers, watch a movie on the Internet about the son of the prosecutor Chaika. And you will understand that everything is worse than it seems, you need a hard and uncompromising cleaning.
              1. Hon
                +17
                8 December 2015 21: 09
                Quote: FalconMG
                Well, still managers, watch a movie on the Internet about the son of the prosecutor Chaika. And you will understand that everything is worse than it seems, you need a hard and uncompromising cleaning.

                and will lead this purge, Prosecutor Chaika. as Bastrykin said, to one journalist "I will then investigate your murder"
                1. +1
                  9 December 2015 07: 12
                  That is the question, does Putin not see this? I think he sees, only it is probably easier for him to hold Chaika and his ilk for corruption eggs, rather than within the framework of the law.
                  1. Hon
                    +12
                    9 December 2015 10: 27
                    Quote: FalconMG
                    That is the question, does Putin not see this? I think he sees, only it is probably easier for him to hold Chaika and his ilk for corruption eggs, rather than within the framework of the law.

                    they are just one team, and no one is holding anyone for anything. Bastrykins, Seagulls, Putin, Rotenberg, Chubais, why should they drown each other, when it is safer and more satisfying, not to interfere with each other?
                    1. +10
                      9 December 2015 11: 27
                      Quote: Hon
                      they’re just one team

                      Unfortunately, lately I have been getting the impression.
                      If at first I was waiting for the right moment, I believed that the time had not yet come, that if we start cleaning up, then the entire "civilized" world community will start screaming about despotism in the Russian Federation and this will greatly spoil our image in the international arena, but now I I don't understand the logic at all !!! It seems that as I can, the Yankees are in our slippers and so crap, what awaits the authorities? Why do unthinkable things happen in the country ??? I'm talking about the Central Bank, Siluanovs and KOs ... the scaffold is just crying for them! I do not get it recourse
                      There are really 2 points here:
                      1) or Pu is in a bundle and this whole thing is beneficial to him, which means he is not the one who needs our country
                      2) or all this evil in the structures of power is in the foundation and if you remove it, then the whole structure will collapse. And they are afraid to destroy. But apparently there is no other way. Because conflict with syshua is apparently protracted and will go to exhaustion. And in this battle we have AGAIN every chance of losing as it happened with the USSR. The Yankees have orders of magnitude more fat, and the entire system built by them, on their side, is also full of puppets all over the planet in the form of the EU, Japan, Gulf Arabs, Colombia, Australia, Korea - in short, in all regions of the planet. So if we try to fight the "cancer" in the form of all these parasites, WE WILL EXACTLY LOSE !!!! Instead of Lenin, Stalin, it was necessary to freeze and now unfreeze him ... as a strategic weapon of a dark day. a recipe for this plague!
            2. +13
              8 December 2015 21: 49
              But who will plant these "ineffective managers"? After all, such as they are the so-called. "salt of the earth", fulfilling the evil will of our "partners" in the collapse and tearing of what is still left in Russia from its best and great times.
              And Mother Russia still stands not because of, but in spite of them, the masters of life and their hangers-on.
            3. +5
              9 December 2015 09: 08
              Which planted ????? One has already been planted, and then RELEASED !!!!!!!!! Yes, everyone will return !!!!!! am
            4. Mih
              0
              10 December 2015 22: 25
              And so they will be removed from their posts at best, when the bastard has already stolen millions, or even billions.

              I’m not seeing any other way out to shoot these men. am
          2. +81
            8 December 2015 12: 39
            I look forward to the urapatriots shouting Putin is our everything.
            Recently, an article was posted on the Address to the Federal Assembly.
            They cleaned everything, even the comments.
            I thought that we have freedom of speech.
            I’m a patriot and I’ll tear my mouth for Russia, but ... friends, let's talk sensibly. I am not all-crawler.
            In my place I do a lot, and we raise the plants. But there is no support.
            Success in the international arena is good, but when will we look inside the country?
            Or, as always, the king is good, but the environment is bad?
            And what prevents the king from turning to face the people?
            You can minus, but if the situation in the country does not change, then everything goes to the Moscow Maidan?
            Who started the situation with truckers at such a time? At first they were silent in the media, then they realized that they were breaking through. The fifth column began to speak.
            I have a long-range brother, my own car, making ends meet.
            Himself went abroad 15 years ago. I know what I'm talking about.
            For 15 years, transportation tariffs have not changed !!!!!
            And fuel has grown many times. In 2000, I refueled a car in the Moscow-Finland circle for 5 thousand rubles. Now we need 30 thousand. Moscow-Peter.
            And the price of transportation as it was and remained - 40-45 thousand.
            And how do people live? Therefore, many are outraged.
            How did you introduce Plato in a timely manner, do not you think?
            Well? Hurray Putin?
            1. +83
              8 December 2015 13: 18
              Looking at the situation in the country and the world lately, I have a split personality. On the one hand, as a leader in the past, I understand how difficult it is to be this very leader even in a relatively small team. And here is a country, and not just a country, but Russia, where hundreds of nations and nationalities and everything, mind you, indigenous, with their elites and their cockroaches ... And the territory! One time zone, if I'm not mistaken, eleven. Try to keep everything in a fist, and even with an eye on democracy. But on the other hand, a person went to the post of president of the SAM and not for the first time, that is, he knew where he was going. And here questions arise: this is the crumbling economy (it is the production sector, for example, in Kursk such giants as Kursk Bearing, Schetmash, KZTZ, Pikur, etc. covered themselves with a copper basin) an absurd situation with fuel, no less absurd with housing and communal services. What apple orchards and strawberry fields we had !!! Either the cottages are standing in that place or are abandoned and everything is sold. And the road ... I am sure that many colleagues can add to the above. But the point is not that there are problems, but that they are not being solved, or even aggravated. Someone can say that the President will not keep track of everything. But first of all, everyone chooses a command for themselves. And secondly, when I was a commander, they did not ask me what problems I have, they asked me WHY I have them and WHY I didn’t fix them. And they fought in the tail and mane. Foreign policy is, of course, good, but I really want the President to look "inside" or put on such a Premier who would SOLVE the country's internal problems while the President deals with its external ones. I have the honor.
              1. +5
                8 December 2015 14: 44
                Quote: Shkodnik65
                But firstly, everyone selects a team for himself. And secondly, when I was a commander, they didn’t ask me what problems I had, they asked me WHY I have them and WHY I didn’t fix them. And they fought in the tail and mane.

                but this is a fool or do not understand or do not want to understand!
                1. +7
                  8 December 2015 20: 43
                  Keep grayness near, it will not change, will not give up, will not sat up. There aren’t enough stars from the sky, and she won’t ask questions, she smiles sweetly, speaks smoothly
              2. +4
                8 December 2015 21: 55
                Nothing ... Soon we will be with the gentlemen ... forgive the Chinese Brothers for seasonal work with an outstretched hand. As they squeeze out all our people to the Urals, we will sing the praises of the "good king".
              3. +15
                9 December 2015 00: 42
                The same situation in neighboring Orel, the instrument factory made instruments for submarines and most missiles, it is not there, although they wrote to Putin and the governor vowed that we would save both TD and TP, the steel rolling site is similar to the test site after rocket testing, the UVM was turned into a house for a thousand office, gear factory sold at the price of 3 room apartment. the only factory that still operates Tekmash makes Kungi for the army on machines that they brought with trophies from Germany. But you watch the news and think that we are a superpower, it is true with a bare backside.
                1. +5
                  9 December 2015 17: 09
                  In Saratov the same picture .... squandered the entire defense ... Instead of the Aviation Plant - Auchan, instead of Tantalum - 1000 small offices of 1-2 rooms ... the radio factories also collapsed, where there was a machine tool - there is a market ... and so around Saratov and the region - one trade - complexes at the advice of this was not ... colossus .... only almost all are empty, because. the people have no money .... everything goes to utilities and products .... In general, longing ....
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              5. +1
                9 December 2015 08: 02
                Primakov unfortunately died.
              6. +1
                9 December 2015 09: 14
                I agree 100% ......... Moreover, we are countrymen ........ hi
              7. +3
                9 December 2015 10: 52
                Countryman, I completely agree with you. For example, my enterprise is breathing again. I don’t want to take requests for military orders (that is, for real money). They do not want and do not take (or rather, take crumbs to get rid of). This is the same responsibility. And so riveted something, something like, they will still take it (the dollar is hoo). And the owner of an enterprise from country 404. Does he need it? They will also blame their own for all the grave ones. Well, returning to our "rams": you cannot embrace the immensity and rule the country manually, and the king is ruled by an entourage ... And you cannot beat it with a stick, if some official, well, does not really want to take care of the country, because it is possible for him in lesion. I think that we need total control and demand from the state apparatus.
              8. Mih
                +2
                10 December 2015 22: 36
                The President and "inside" looked or put such a Premier The President and "inside" looked or put such a Premier
                good
                Well, this is the whole question that there is no team. Prime, somehow on its own. The vertical, about which so much is said, is a fiction, which is not fulfilled. Everything resembles mockery of officials' power - they put everything on the device. Message after message, and things are still there. Theater of the absurd. love
            2. +18
              8 December 2015 14: 39
              Quote: Consul-t
              Who started the situation with truckers at such a time?

              Contrary to Russian law, where it is said that tax collection is the prerogative of the state, a private office called RT-Invest Transport Systems (RTITS) will rip off truckers. The state signed a contract with her for 13 years that she would collect tax for some 10,6 billion rubles. in year. The government is obliged to pay this amount to the “office”, no matter how much money it collects from truckers. At the same time, the “office” received a contract from the government contrary to Russian laws - without any competition.
              The main owner of RTITS is Igor Rotenberg, the son of billionaire Arkady Rotenberg, a former sambo player from the club where V. Putin trained. Moreover, until recently, a significant number of shares in this office were owned by the state-owned company Rostec, led by another rich Petersburger Sergei Chemezov. But in a strange way, the share went to Mr. Rotenberg, his neighbor in the country village, which is located on the banks of the Zlodeika River near Moscow. Gone quietly. That is, someone on behalf of the state issued through Chemezov permission to Rotenberg to receive 10,6 billion rubles from this state. annually.

              http://argumenti.ru/politics/n516/425716
              1. +3
                8 December 2015 17: 07
                Idiocy!?
                1. +2
                  9 December 2015 09: 17
                  Much worse ... CORRUPTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! am
                  1. +1
                    9 December 2015 12: 08
                    No brother, this is even worse: the milkers and their herd.
              2. +1
                8 December 2015 17: 07
                Idiocy!?
              3. +2
                8 December 2015 20: 48
                It turns out a secret Jew, in which the dog is buried, why go to the Orthodox church?
                1. 0
                  8 December 2015 21: 57
                  There it is "lighter" for him, just ... like under a pole with a light bulb.
            3. +20
              8 December 2015 14: 45
              Quote: Consul-t
              And how do people live? Therefore, many are outraged.
              How did you introduce Plato in a timely manner, do not you think?


              I agree. The blow to Putin’s back was not caused by Erdogan’s barmales, but by the ruddy deputies and officials with the oligarch Rotenberg. Officials say that it is impossible to abolish Plato, because the oligarch will have to compensate for the costs from the pocket of the state. It turns out such a normal bondage, we all the people and the budget owe to the sharpie.
              1. +1
                8 December 2015 20: 54
                It is a pity that we have a Federation of Social Non-alternative, if there was a service, this is how the state served useful service.
              2. +4
                8 December 2015 22: 00
                You just need to "compensate" all the oligarchs. I am ready to chip in on "confiCation", sorry - "compensation" for everyone as a class.
              3. +7
                9 December 2015 05: 36
                Conscientious buyers are left without apartments, because they bought from scammers. There, you can cancel the transaction. And nothing needs to be compensated. And here it’s impossible, because some kind of compensation.
                Every time I am surprised that under the guise of effective management, they transfer concessions to private owners. You, officials, sign this, that you yourself do not know how to manage! Why are you then taking a place?
            4. -19
              8 December 2015 19: 34
              ABOUT "IT'S GOOD TO JUDGE". MAYBE ENOUGH ALL THE BARANS ON PUTIN TO HANG UP, ALREADY VOMES! WHERE YOU LOOK - EVERYWHERE, PUTIN IS GUILTY, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO THE TUNGUSSK METEORITE FALLED ..., ALSO PUTIN WAS NOT LOOKING OUT ??? YOUR READINGS AT THE LEVEL "BUTTERS IN THE STORE". IF YOU WERE ALWAYS ONLY IN THE COURSE OF THE POLITICAL HURRENCE AND MOOD OF THE ELITE, YOU WOULD KNOW WHY THE PRICES RISE SO AND WHO IS FOR IT, AND WHY THE STATE IS DOING, BUT IT DOESN'T REACH, AND DOESN'T REACH. BUT YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING, THIS IS THE KING - HE IS GUILTY, WHO ELSE? And MAIDAN IS ONLY FROM US AND WAITING, DO NOT WAIT FOR CREATURE! ...
              1. +9
                8 December 2015 21: 06
                So they themselves are preparing the Maidan - they will feed one ram on the sacrificial altar and the Kurganmash plant, you can again take a break and relax until the next plant. There are many rams - the main thing is to sacrifice on time, and you will become a ram yourself.
              2. +1
                8 December 2015 22: 01
                Balabol, you.
              3. +10
                8 December 2015 22: 16
                Quote: priapman
                ENOUGH ALL RAMS ON PUTIN
              4. +7
                8 December 2015 23: 19
                This is not us, but you will wait for the Maidan! It is unfortunate that he will not grow into a Socialist revolution! Conditions have not yet been established. But, well, wait ...
              5. Alf
                +1
                9 December 2015 22: 15
                Quote: priapman
                IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOMETHING-SOMETHING YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE COURSE OF POLITICAL TRAIN AND ELITE Moods, THERE WOULD KNOW AND WHY THE PRICES ARE SO GROWING AND WHO WHO IS FOR THIS

                Well, enlighten us, near-minded! We will know who to blame.
              6. -1
                11 December 2015 00: 07
                In the very hole !!!! As my "teacher of life in general and military service in particular," said back in 1983, "Fuck is not to roll bags." And they will not wait for the Maidan. I think that people like me and "pripman" and a very large number of normal men who value such concepts as Motherland, Family, Honor and Dignity (this was already in 1941 ... 1945), we repeat everything that our great-grandfathers and grandfathers did. Apparently, Russia has such a fate that as soon as the Western NITs raise their tail at us, the Russian army takes turns "visiting" all the capitals of GEYROPA. Well, when they learn the REAL HISTORY of their countries at least for their last 250 years, and not any tolerant hunnyu ??? Or every time to do a tattoo with a bayonet on their jope ??? We got it already. Why the hell do I need them, - "we are not badly fed here either" And I have business (we) - "for tonsils" - lift the country - "bags of gaggles." By the way, if you believe GEYROPE and AM, - well, they almost defeated corruption, just a little bit left, and they will immediately give us a piece of their happiness. Yes, only for some reason it seems to me that I myself will deal with the drunken neighbor, who does not give me debts, and with the "lads" that prevents me from living normally, - do not meddle with me with your tips. , get it, - I will trample on you with my advice on the tank - and here, "gentlemen", - "call, - you invited yourself."
                The Kizhevatovs, Gastello, Matrosovs, Pokryshkins, Zhukovs, privates Vanya Ivanovs and many unknown HEROES in Russia have not died out. Unfortunately, nits and sknip, living on sky loot, for which MY HOMELAND is "this country", has recently increased. Yes, let them not rejoice - God forbid it starts (even "a pitiful likeness of 1941"), - they will not knock down - and then we will evaluate which of them is worth what: 33 pieces of silver or a broken penny. Well, let's give it what we deserve. See the Bible.
                Well, to drive the authorities - look at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself HONESTLY (AT LEAST ONCE IN LIFE) - I'm honest, I didn't even take a nail from work. Of course, if your life principle is "I slept quietly and went away, I say I found it", then "There is nothing to blame on the mirror, if the mug is crooked" - the PEOPLE cannot be fooled. Let's argue ????
            5. -6
              9 December 2015 01: 00
              Quote: Consul-t
              I look forward to the urapatriots shouting Putin is our everything.

              Of course, Putin is to blame for everything, who else. All are good, but he is bad. In general, until people themselves begin to organize themselves (unions) nothing will happen.
              1. Alf
                +1
                9 December 2015 22: 20
                Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
                Of course, Putin is to blame for everything, who else. All are good, but he is bad. In general, until people themselves begin to organize themselves (unions) nothing will happen.

                Trade unions are in every office. What's next ? Do you really think that a union can win in a dispute with a capitalist? Compare the budget of the enterprise and the budget of the union, which will be bottomless? Or will a union be able to hire a coachman or a rubber worker to solve a case in court?
                1. +3
                  10 December 2015 00: 42
                  Quote: Alf
                  Trade unions are in every office. What's next ? Do you really think that a union can win in a dispute with a capitalist? Compare the budget of the enterprise and the budget of the union, which will be bottomless? Or will a union be able to hire a coachman or a rubber worker to solve a case in court?

                  In Europe and the USA, in such large enterprises, the union was able to protect the rights, but it will not? Of course, this is difficult and the path is long, but in no other way. It is difficult to defeat such capitalists by continuing to work for 10-15k in the cold, but if you simply disrupt the defense, the order is in the cold and competently, unified to justify all this. then this is another matter. Of course, this should not be done by the current incomprehensible union.

                  In my memory, they raised their salaries at Ford in Vsevolzhsk.
            6. +12
              9 December 2015 05: 39
              Dear Consul-t

              A few questions
              And when in Russia the tsar turned to face the people?
              In 96, gasoline in Boston could be bought at 1.05 now for 1.95 (for a halon it is 3.74 liters), although the price reached 3.90, it lasted 5 years. What prevents to reduce the price of gasoline in Russia?
              Do you know a good Russian proverb "tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are", and now we will give a few names of Rotenberg, Yakunin, Serdyukov, Timchenko, etc. .. And do not "whine" good tsar, bad boyars. The leader is judged by his subordinates.
              1. +11
                9 December 2015 08: 44
                Quote: denis02135
                Dear Consul-t

                A few questions
                And when in Russia the tsar turned to face the people?
                In 96, gasoline in Boston could be bought at 1.05 now for 1.95 (for a halon it is 3.74 liters), although the price reached 3.90, it lasted 5 years. What prevents to reduce the price of gasoline in Russia?
                Do you know a good Russian proverb "tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are", and now we will give a few names of Rotenberg, Yakunin, Serdyukov, Timchenko, etc. .. And do not "whine" good tsar, bad boyars. The leader is judged by his subordinates.


                Here I am about the same. We all scream, Putin, Putin ... well done!
                Cool, sporty. Yes, I agree, in comparison with other Presidents, ours looks better. Well, then what?
                Look at his team. One Ulyukaev is only worth it.
                What do you think, with such a government will we build Great Russia?
                I am confused
                1. 0
                  9 December 2015 16: 50
                  Dear Consul-t
                  Look at youtube for 'bad news' with Maltsev. Maybe you will find more like-minded people. Although some of the views of this man and his comrades-in-arms are unpleasant to me as nationalistic, I understand him and respect his right to his opinion.
            7. +1
              9 December 2015 09: 11
              No minuses, only many advantages ................ hi
            8. +2
              9 December 2015 23: 18
              And what prevents the king from turning to face the people?


              What are you actually waiting for?
              The king is made by the retinue. Look at the cabinet.
          3. +15
            8 December 2015 13: 44
            Quote: Banshee
            For a year now the war has been going on with dismantlings, they are trying to cancel the privatization.

            in fact, there’s nothing archaic need tough state will, which, alas, is not observed, all are too tied up here at different levels in power.
            1. +9
              8 December 2015 15: 52
              Quote: PSih2097
              in fact, there’s nothing archaic, you need a tough state will, which unfortunately is not observed, all are tied up here at different levels of government.

              And nationalization, at least defense and mining
              1. Mih
                0
                10 December 2015 22: 49
                And nationalization, at least defense and mining
                good Yes, only so, and not otherwise. good
                Otherwise, we will find ourselves know what. love
            2. 0
              8 December 2015 20: 56
              If you recall Serdyukov, then everything is just that
            3. 0
              8 December 2015 21: 14
              Without advertising, create a power structure with extraordinary powers, a secret order, moreover, on "certain" conditions, imprisoned for the distant future. The mind is not enough to forge this - they live one day.
          4. VS
            +6
            8 December 2015 18: 30
            He turned for pro forma, because the Muscovites bought up and destroyed the factories. But Voronezh is in 1st place in terms of the number of retail space per capita ...
          5. 0
            10 December 2015 06: 39
            Motovilikha is the same example. Artillery forge and who is outbidding? Nona Grad Tornado where you pour them?
          6. +1
            10 December 2015 09: 08
            It is enough to look at who privatized the Volgograd Tractor Plant, in particular the Southern production (these are the greenest orders) and who owns this Concert tractor factories, and much will become clear even without vilifying Aiphoni. Although Faberge crawls on his belly in front of the West, he cynicism. Here is one of the "THEY" owners of the Concert Tractor Plants, a former speculator in rare earth metals, a representative of the most persecuted nation. Could IT trade rare earth metals, do not have a "roof" from fellow countrymen without a homeland on earth? in Volgograd, at the time of his "successful" heyday of this peculiar business, many who did not "fit" into the market were imprisoned for these rare elements. It can be assumed that the "plantings" were clearing the territory for such poets. Dad advised him ...
            In Volgograd, another large enterprise, the tractor plant, is being liquidated. Production facilities will be exported to another city, and the areas occupied by the plant’s workshops will be given up for housing development. The ex-vice-governor and former chairman of the board of directors of the Volgograd Tractor Plant Vladimir Kabanov called this news “a blow” for all Volgograd residents. He said that he was inclined to blame the death of the enterprise on the federal center, accusing Moscow of indifference to Volgograd. The fact that Volgograd Engineering Company VgTZ LLC was actually given to VEB Bank for its debts, said Mikhail Bolotin, general director of the Tractor Plants concern. . The price of this asset is estimated at four billion rubles. According to him, quoted by the federal press, the process of moving VgTZ production facilities will take about two years. Mr. Bolotin does not doubt the success of the possible development of the liberated territory, stressing that the place for construction is very good. He also noted that the Tractor Plants concern is currently negotiating with a number of development companies. “The transformation of VgTZ into a loss-making asset was largely due to the fact that the tracked arable tractors produced by the enterprise do not withstand competition with chariots, which, unlike from caterpillars, can be used year-round, and the range of their application is not limited to plowing alone, ”said Mr. Kabanov. - As for military production, we could very well expect that new developments in this area, such as the Sprut anti-tank self-propelled gun, the Shell shell and so on, which began and were conducted here, will remain to be made in our city of Volgograd . However, now, as I understand it, military production is being transferred to Kurgan.http: //subscribe.ru/group/na-zavalinke/8597108/
          7. +1
            10 December 2015 09: 11
            This post is not about tractors. And about how Russia can lose them. And at the same time, light military vehicles on tracked vehicles. And this is already national security. There is a concern "Tractor Plants" in Russia. It unites 17 large industrial enterprises, including OJSC Promtractor, OJSC Kraslesmash, OJSC Kurganmashzavod, Volgograd, Vladimirsky, Lipetsk and Onega tractor plants, Altai motor plant and Cheboksary aggregate plant. In a word, almost everything that moves off-road, plows the land, saws the forest, protects the Motherland (military armored vehicles are produced in Kurgan), this glorious concern makes. But the story is not about that.
            Until recently, two Russian businessmen, Mikhail Bolotin and Albert Bakov, managed this colossus. Managed, frankly, it does not matter. Otherwise, they would not have lost in 2010 100% of the shareholding in their "Corporate Governance Company" Concern "Tractor Plants". Bolotin had 80%, Bakov had the remaining 20%. The shares went to VEB in exchange for a loan of 15 billion rubles. True, the agreement stated that Bolotin and Bakov could get their shares back, subject to the payment of the debt with interest strictly until 2017. In the meantime, they manage the concern, and no one has the right to remove them from this position.

            That loan didn't help. I wonder which offices knocked on young businessmen, who, by the way, according to the Finance magazine, are included in the rating of 500 billionaires of Russia? However, a miracle happened. To save the domestic tracked and wheeled machine building, as well as the defense industry in 2011, JSC "Corporate Governance Company" Concern "Tractor Plants" was provided with a syndicated loan in the amount of more than 20 billion rubles. 16 banks chipped in and began to drag the tractor concern out of the swamp: Sberbank, VTB, Rosselkhozbank, Bank Petrokommerts, Ak Bars, MDM Bank, UniCreditBank, Swedbank, Societe General Vostok Bank, ICICI Bank Eurasia, Bank Zenitbank, Raiffeisenbank Garanti-Bank Moscow, National Trade Bank, Energoprombank. Isn't it a solid company? How can such a debt not be returned?

            Sixteen banks took off to pull the tractor concern out of the swamp. But many creditors of their money have still not seen
            I don’t know which stars in the track turned wrong, but many creditors did not see their money. It would seem that the concern faces complete ruin. But no! Our resourceful heroes were not taken aback here either. The media say that they are ready to buy their debts with a crazy discount of 70%. Several banks, apparently desperate to see their money and interest on it, are going to make this compromise. After all, the group’s debts even without interest to banks inspire awe - 32,34 billion rubles. But the concern owes 58,8 billion rubles. With an annual revenue of 822,7 million rubles and a net loss of 45,4 million rubles (data from SPARK-Interfax. - Auth.) It will be very difficult to pay off debts. But what is difficult there is impossible!


            "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" - Federal Issue No. 6553 (281)
      2. +1
        8 December 2015 16: 14
        Quote: qwert
        Of course, what is described in the article is not happy, but scary.

        Yes, all this is not good ...
        But still, why, for example, the production of helicopters is completely at the Soviet level, and the KZKT is ruined? After all, the country is one, the economic conditions are the same.
        On the one hand, in my personal opinion, of course, what kind of "masters" in the defense industry can be in FIG? This requires a monopoly with reasonable exceptions. Like the UAC or something. We need a plan for the years ahead.
        Well, although it is not 1937, but "first of all, put on a stake" very many need.
        Secondly, how many tractors did the KZKT produce? Hundreds, thousands?
        A staff of 11 thousand is not a sign of an enterprise of the 21st century.
        And such machines could be used, as a rule, only in the army. For reasons of low resource units and the same low efficiency. The legs, that is, the wheels of the Kurgan tractors grew from the 50-60s of the last century.
        Now we need to create a new car using the experience of BAZ, KamAZ and the same KZKT.
        They seem to be moving: about the development of KamAZ "Platform" can be viewed on the net.
        1. +3
          8 December 2015 17: 12
          "Right", what the fuck is the factory for us ?? !! We will buy from Belarusians, and we will buy! Moreover, we do not want to build a new plant, but we simply cannot!
      3. +2
        9 December 2015 09: 06
        The fact is that this is not an isolated case. !!!!! And yesterday, Peskov indignantly yelled on TV that the average salary in Russia is 33 thousand rubles. Who's lying ???? The people or government ?????????? 7 am
      4. +1
        9 December 2015 17: 42
        And where is the comrade who rides around the country with a devastated face - who should oversee the defense ?????
      5. +2
        9 December 2015 17: 45
        The same crap with the TU-160 ... They gave the command, and who will do it? The old people have grown, and the youth will not work for 18000 - you can earn more by taxi in 10 days ...
      6. +3
        10 December 2015 22: 09
        I decided to read the comments under this article in order to once again laugh at the fact that Obama and the geyropa are of course to blame for such situations, and vile fuckers, but ... I can’t believe my eyes! How unlike the usual rhetoric of VO! or a moderator on sick leave, or all the demagogues and sofa-militant false patriots are in hibernation today?
        It is nice to understand that there are normal, adequate people who look at the problems of their country without a red veil before their eyes and there are many! They do not make a cult of the next leader, but see the real pros and cons inherent in ordinary people, and at least admitting it is wrong .. Understanding that you do not need to look for the guilty on the side, where you should admit your mistakes, and therefore understand how to fix them instead of moving arrows to external enemies. Real patriots who know that patriotism must be educated, not on hatred of other nations, but on their love ..
      7. 0
        14 December 2015 14: 01
        In my opinion we are not America, but we are scaring ourselves
    3. +19
      8 December 2015 16: 30
      But this is work 5 and 6 columns am We are not afraid of tanks and guns, but our own traitors to bureaucrats! An official endowed with power and sitting in a key position is more terrible than a NATO base in Ukraine or the Baltic states .. With one movement, a simple signature under this or that document, he can cause tens of megatons of damage worse than a nuclear strike! The old truth is "Why buy a plant when you can buy a director .." There are a lot of such enterprises that exist on paper, but in reality do not, alas, the country's leadership is trying to do everything manually, not realizing that the error is systemic, but breaking the system is scary .. For KILL!
      1. +3
        8 December 2015 21: 25
        So that you don’t have to kill, you need to do everything at night - you need to take the experience of your ancestors into service, there was management wisely and the main thing was what you wanted. This is our disposable syringes and then defective - they work in one direction.
    4. +5
      8 December 2015 19: 13
      Good, necessary article! Even somehow there is nothing to comment on.
    5. +2
      9 December 2015 11: 37
      The main problem of KMZ is that our army does not want to buy infantry fighting vehicles. The military says that you won’t drive a soldier into an infantry fighting vehicle, everyone is sitting on the armor.
      The plant was lucky that the paratroopers to the BMD did not cool, and the Volgograd plant that produced them went bankrupt. The Indonesians liked the floating car.
      KMZ's entry into UVZ holding has changed the situation a bit. The lobbying opportunities of the holding are higher. But UVZ itself now lies on its side, the demand for civilian products in Russia has fallen to zero, Export is closed due to sanctions, there is no tank competitive on the world market, and it cannot feed subsidiaries.
  2. +4
    8 December 2015 06: 59
    Well, how so? Here you go!
    1. +45
      8 December 2015 07: 59
      Quote: Serge Boss
      Well, how so? Here you go!


      There was once in Kurgan famous factory "Kurgan wheel tractor". Many people remember his products in the old films. Once he released the MAZ-535, and a little later the MAZ-537 (truck tractor). But we are better known for the famous powerful machines with the wheel formula 8х8 КЗКТ 545, КЗКТ-7458 "Rusich", КЗКТ-8005. These tractors could transport semi-trailers weighing up to 100 tons, trailers weighing up to 80 tons, aircraft weighing up to 200 tons. Could ...

      Now they can not. There is no longer this plant. And the team in 11 000 people do not. The plant went bankrupt and was sold in parts at the end of April 2011.


      Not in itself he (the Plant) went bankrupt ...
      And thanks to officials, leaders of villains and thieves, each of them has a full name. And by the way, with the connivance of the Russian government. You might think there didn’t know anything upstairs ...
      1. +18
        8 December 2015 15: 31
        Quote: PSih2097
        in fact, there’s nothing archaic, you need tough state will

        Quote: sherp2015
        You might think there didn’t know anything upstairs ...

        Dear colleagues, here is a small list of industrial enterprises destroyed over the past 15 years:
        http://maxpark.com/community/2890/content/2108200
        It is no secret that the privatization will continue in the military industrial complex as well.
        And the main thing is that since 2003 there is no longer a single energy and resource system in the country.
        The beneficiaries of most mining, processing, generating, marketing companies, water utilities are residents of foggy albion and offshore companies.
        The government, in turn, annually raises tariffs and payments for the services of these same companies.
        And now the question is, how can the remaining scanty number of operating enterprises make ends meet with constantly rising energy costs and housing and communal services tariffs, in our climate, where on average 8 months out of 12 are winter and autumn ???
        Plus taxes!
        The country's leadership clearly played into privatization and financial speculation, and when the tanks were needed, they suddenly decided that it was enough to "give" money and tanks would grow out of them, but this does not happen.
        But there are still no development strategies, just as there are no plans for sectoral creation. There is no concept of development at all, that is, nothing is and is not foreseen. What more proof is needed that the leadership is incapable?
        1. +3
          8 December 2015 22: 23
          OOO-chen you wrote correctly. Even the Armed Forces of Russia and those are practically emasculated with the help of Serdyukov, privatized and set up to serve the so-called. oil and gas "complex".
      2. Alf
        +1
        9 December 2015 22: 25
        Quote: sherp2015
        each of which has a full name
  3. +25
    8 December 2015 07: 02
    It just doesn’t fit on your head. Just shoot the bastards. No talking. No comments. No compromise.
    1. 0
      8 December 2015 09: 02
      Well, you, it's repression. You just need to find partners at the plant and sign an agreement with them with a frowning eyebrow.
      1. +4
        8 December 2015 12: 41
        Quote: sherp2015
        thanks to officials, leaders of villains and thieves, each of whom has a full name And by the way, with the connivance of the Russian government. You might think there didn’t know anything upstairs ...

        Okay, persuaded: "Just SHOOT the bastards."
      2. 0
        8 December 2015 21: 32
        Do not urine urine, and since golik, you will not become a broom.
  4. +28
    8 December 2015 07: 06
    when they put Rogozin, I thought against the background of his ebullient activity and high-profile statements, the situation in the military-industrial complex will go uphill. However, judging by the eastern cosmodrome, Omsk, and now it looks like pink glasses are starting to decline in the mound ... it seems like it didn’t go longer than the big words ..
    1. +21
      8 December 2015 07: 47
      Quote: 2s5giacints
      when they put Rogozin, I thought against the background of his ebullient activity and loud statements

      I heard loud statements from Rogozin, but what about the intense activity what or did you mean twitter?
      1. +11
        8 December 2015 13: 35
        Rogozin, with all the desire, can not do anything. He is a talking head. He does not have his own budgets for direct authority.
        He only gives instructions and the ministers themselves decide what to execute and what not. It’s not him who sets them and not him to shoot or punish.
        We had it too. I made a promise ...
        The chef immediately said do not roll your lips - nothing depends on him.
        So it happened.
        1. +2
          8 December 2015 22: 38
          I came across a photograph of Rogozin on an ATV (before that on him, on an ATV, there was a kind of "iron dummy", a robot ...) with a glowing face. Believe me, it's not me - filming laughing .
          1. Alf
            0
            9 December 2015 22: 28
            Quote: scorpiosys
            I came across a photograph of Rogozin on an ATV (before that on him, on an ATV, there was a kind of "iron dummy", a robot ...) with a glowing face. Believe me, it's not me - filming
    2. +12
      8 December 2015 08: 01
      Quote: 2s5giacints
      when they put Rogozin, I thought against the background of his ebullient activity and high-profile statements, the situation in the military-industrial complex will go uphill. However, judging by the eastern cosmodrome, Omsk, and now it looks like pink glasses are starting to decline in the mound ... it seems like it didn’t go longer than the big words ..


      Just look at his sleek and well-fed rye. sorry face and everything will immediately become clear ...
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    4. Hon
      +6
      8 December 2015 16: 38
      Quote: 2s5giacints
      when they put Rogozin, I thought against the background of his ebullient activity and high-profile statements, the situation in the military-industrial complex will go uphill. However, judging by the eastern cosmodrome, Omsk, and now it looks like pink glasses are starting to decline in the mound ... it seems like it didn’t go longer than the big words ..

      one of the cases with Rogozin
      Once a famous homeless man from Maryino drew the attention of his hamsters to an extremely interesting tender in public procurement. It was proposed to buy about 400 Glock pistols for 70 rubles for the needs of the army and navy. 000 pistols of 000 Baku guns each, for 400 lyama, when only 600 pieces are gained? In other words, the state was looking for an accomplice who would help to spend 2 million rubles from the budget. This fact has generated a lot of discussions on the network on the topic: "How much do they steal in the procurement of jeeps and submarines?" Annealed Rogozin, who first said that he gave the order to verify the reasonableness of prices on public procurement, and five hours later he began to claim that he had ordered to do so a week ago. Later, this swindler and thief erased the initial post so that no one doubted his honesty. Further, lamenting that “hamsters flock together and begin to spoil”, the Deputy Prime Minister, in his swaggering manner, advised Navalny to “deal with his boards”.
    5. 0
      8 December 2015 22: 33
      "The bird GOVORUN is distinguished by intelligence and ingenuity ..." Well, I really don't remember which way ...
      But ... Talker ...
  5. +37
    8 December 2015 07: 07
    I myself work at the Arsenal defense plant in St. Petersburg. Unfortunately, we have a similar situation. Rogozin came and praised the plant, and as a result, over the past 2 years, the territory of the plant has almost halved (almost half of the plant is given to tenants), the problem is not in the government, but in the management of enterprises that are more profitable for a moment's profit, they sell the territory , rent out premises and machines, rather than look for orders and produce products. As a result, the plant refuses part of government orders ...
    1. +13
      8 December 2015 12: 42
      the problem is not in the government, but in the management of enterprises that benefit from the momentary profit
      to remind the proverb about fish from the head, the fact that the country has created a situation. when the leaders of enterprises profitable momentary profit. who should answer?
    2. +4
      8 December 2015 12: 46
      Was at your factory. Your leadership is horrible muddy.
      The situation in the workshops is slightly better overall than in other factories.
      But ... HR Director Medvedev ... a dark horse. Mudny.y.y.y.y
      The director seemed adequate, they seemed to talk normally, but the result ... a bunch.
    3. +10
      8 December 2015 13: 40
      the problem is not in the government, but in the management of enterprises that benefit from the momentary profit


      I’m embarrassed to ask: And who and why did you set up such leaders throughout the country? they have nothing to do with it?

      But the leadership of a high level of the main task is just the selection and placement of personnel.

      Because you need to look not at the consequences but at the causes.
  6. +9
    8 December 2015 07: 07
    It’s sad. But - I believe. Not even that, not just believed, but that is how it really is. In general, the mound shines with salaries, and looking at the photo of the collapsed chair, at the shabby robe and carrying, rewound with blue electrical tape ... sadness
    1. +1
      8 December 2015 17: 26
      If you chew a little snot and fill up the KMZ, then our town can be renamed into a working village! The situation at the moment has allegedly improved: they provided gas and heat until December 15, the "owner" promised to pay off debts.
    2. 0
      8 December 2015 17: 26
      If you chew a little snot and fill up the KMZ, then our town can be renamed into a working village! The situation at the moment has allegedly improved: they provided gas and heat until December 15, the "owner" promised to pay off debts.
  7. +8
    8 December 2015 07: 09
    There is such garbage at Mashzavod .... It is not known where the money goes from the products sold ...
  8. +9
    8 December 2015 07: 09
    Our state can only rip off levies for "overhaul". And to do something real, so God forbid: after all, you need to spend money on this, and after all, their hands are still stretching out. Alas.
  9. +8
    8 December 2015 07: 10
    Defective owners, so that the devil tore them with raw logs.
  10. +13
    8 December 2015 07: 10
    To the wall must be put for SUCH OWNERS!
    1. +5
      8 December 2015 09: 42
      The state is the main owner of defense enterprises! trawling wali began again, boots sandals ... although it didn't actually end, in one place they darn on the other side it breaks. "And the people look late in the evening, as Irada Zeynalova praises us"
  11. +7
    8 December 2015 07: 11
    From the heights of snickering creatures "thinking about the Motherland" a working man is seen less than a bug, but a lot is needed for a "bug"? They would have crushed him a long time ago and it smelled painful, easier to scratch. angry
  12. +14
    8 December 2015 07: 13
    Moreover, all kinds of LLCs were opened inside the plant ... A blacksmith shop inside the plant whose private office ....
  13. +22
    8 December 2015 07: 21
    The author mentioned the KZKT.
    I can say that I have not heard a more sad history of an industrial enterprise. My father left the factory shortly before his bankruptcy of the KZKT, the situation was awful. The salary was delayed for several months, part of the defense plant, even before its bankruptcy was given over to the ice cream production workshop !!!
    But the factory once had advanced production, its foundries. When I was doing my first practice there, we had a short excursion as part of the ACS department (I don’t remember exactly), even the scale of this small unit was breathtaking from the capacities ... Very sad ...
    1. +23
      8 December 2015 08: 21
      I confirm ... my family has worked ALL my life at KZKT, ... with the collapse they spent on retirement ... And it's also a shame that THE MINSK PLANT WAS BROKEN FOR THE BELARUSSIANS AND ORDERS AND Wages AND HOT WATER .. Now their dad turns up his nose "..Russia owes nothing." I would come to Kurgan and see what our friendship with the "brotherly" people costs us .. It looks like a real sabotage.
      1. +21
        8 December 2015 09: 48
        And now Old Man declares that "I'll see how Russia builds tractors for missiles without us." Knows what he is talking about. And he has no need to go to Kurgan.
        1. +5
          8 December 2015 14: 57
          Well, where does our guarantor look?
          We help everyone except our people.
          1. +8
            8 December 2015 15: 55
            He helps his people just that, because his people make up 13% of the population, well, there are all sorts of Rottenbergs and Chubais. Well, the remaining 87% of the sheep intended for shearing and selling are not considered by the population because they would * be ...
      2. 0
        9 December 2015 08: 26
        But what kind of shopping center is it? When my daughter called the address of the shopping center, I did not believe my ears. We arrived and I had to believe my eyes. There is a sign on the next building .. SOLD ...
  14. +27
    8 December 2015 07: 23
    Only mats ... and all the same, Comrade Stalin I.V. and successful "manager" Beria L.P. am .
  15. +11
    8 December 2015 07: 31
    Economists and the entire government to fix it in Chukotka, it's cool there, let the snow be cut. In general, to equate to terrorists half of financiers, financiers playing on financial markets, engaged in making money out of money, drones that do not produce anything. Finance is the most formidable and sophisticated weapon, worse than nuclear weapons, this weapon gets to everyone without exception. Therefore, equate actions with sophisticated ter. acts. Okay, in the government, it’s clear there, bastards, preoccupied with one thing, loot. But the heads of defense enterprises !!!! Apparently they put their own effective managers, fosterlings of Gaidar, "Gaidarists" and the like.
  16. +10
    8 December 2015 07: 35
    But the business does not begin with Rogozin’s hot statements, but with hot water in the shower and hot batteries in the workshop.... Yes .. understandable accusations against Rogozin, but Rogozin will not go, give hot water in the shower .. we have lived faith in a good gentleman, a gentleman will come, he will judge a good one .. Here is a guide who breaks down the plant who they are ? I suppose they vote for EP ... swear allegiance to the president and others, but who really? .. Enemies .. in the truest sense of the word .. And there are many such enemies in Russia .. I work at a state-owned enterprise and they steal from us .. .from the management ... to a simple worker ... whoever can, the state is rich ... How can I fight ... by affordable methods ... I made sure that the calculations, for example, would go only after the work was done, but how it was ... we will pay the advance , no company, no money .. and the money left in my pocket .. I’m not alone, but we are few .. yes it’s hard for us .. Much goes with a creak .. And who if not us? God is high, far from the president ..
  17. +23
    8 December 2015 07: 43
    As a young man, I worked for eight years at the KMZ. Well, what can I say! A huge, modern plant with Japanese machines for cutting aluminum armor and so on, so on, so on ... At that time, the plant produced completely unique BMP-3s, which had no analogues at that time, various modifications: reconnaissance, staff, etc. The wild 90s knocked down production, but the team continued to create high-tech operational developments and concepts. In those years, they tried to make conversion goods: pots, bagel production lines - ridiculously simple. Forest machines and ISSMs were still in demand somehow, but the rest was not. The plant fell into decay and is still in this state. In spite of government orders, the "OWNER" is constantly changing. We, ordinary people, do not know why the state with such relief and joy got rid of and is getting rid of high-tech industries through suspicious privatization. Yes! I almost forgot. The last "OWNER" is something with something! They appeared suddenly, and began with rudeness and layoffs. In Kurgan, there are terrible rumors that, despite the state defense order, now there will definitely be a tryndets at KMZ. These figures do not need BMP-3, BMD-4, or Kurganets. They want one ..................................
    1. +6
      8 December 2015 08: 05
      Quote: SANAY
      When I was young, I worked for eight years at KMZ. Well, what can I say! A huge, modern plant with Japanese machines for cutting aluminum armor and so on, so on, so on ... At that time, the plant produced completely unique BMP-3s, which had no analogues at that time, various modifications: reconnaissance, staff, etc. The wild 90s knocked down production, but the team continued to create high-tech operational developments and concepts. In those years, they tried to make conversion goods: pots, bagel production lines - ridiculously simple. Forest machines and ISSMs were still in demand somehow, but the rest was not. The plant fell into decay and is still in this state. In spite of government orders, "OWNER" is constantly changing. We, ordinary people, do not know why the state with such relief and joy got rid of and is getting rid of high-tech industries through suspicious privatization. Yes! I almost forgot. The last "OWNER" is something with something! They appeared suddenly, and started with rudeness and layoffs. In Kurgan, there are terrible rumors that, despite the state defense order, now there will definitely be a tryndets at KMZ. These figures do not need BMP-3, BMD-4, or Kurganets. They want one ............


      What do you want from such a government: jellied meat, Lebanese, Cossacks, mouse-violators ...
    2. +1
      9 December 2015 09: 43
      Quote: SANAY
      The last "OWNER" is something with something! They appeared suddenly, and began with rudeness and layoffs. In Kurgan, there are terrible rumors that, despite the state defense order, now there will definitely be a tryndets at KMZ. These figures do not need BMP-3, BMD-4, or Kurganets. They want one

      sad Yes, we in the majority believe that the 5th column is some kind of pests, which through the media and some clubs will stir up the people for uprisings, in fact, the 5th column has already been grown in the 90s. Capitalism implies the exploitation of one segment of society by another. And then, as a consequence, a good life, dear habits, grabbing - all this was instilled with the "western market". It's just that officials and others who have funds, and often not their own, have more tools for mastering the introduced hybrid named "the master of life." They were taught to live beautifully, spare no money, eat tasty food, travel for treatment / study abroad. Now prices are growing - they have spawned children, and they also need to be attached somewhere, well, and friends of comrades / drinking companions / accomplices for bread places. From where such people can come up with sound thoughts and ideas how to benefit the state and the responsible sector
  18. +3
    8 December 2015 07: 46
    The weapons of the proletariat are not letters, but cobblestones.
    1. +15
      8 December 2015 07: 51
      In Kurgan, decent people live, not yet up to the cobblestones. The engineering staff is wonderful. And the workers on digital machines are real professionals who can do micron gaps on parts. Here power is needed, not cobblestone. And the Kurgan government is toothless, so the people write to the President.
      1. 0
        9 December 2015 08: 32
        Nobody will soon be working in Kurgan. Many work either in Tyumen, Sverdlovsk, Chelyabinsk or in the north. Retirees will retire and there will remain one manager.
  19. +30
    8 December 2015 07: 49
    Good morning everybody!

    To the authors of the article, Alexander and Roman, many THANKS!

    The article is very relevant and the topic of the article is especially important now that Russia has been DRAWN into the next Great Patriotic War (World War II) and the 3rd World War, although the authorities will announce us the beginning of it in the spring and summer of 2016.

    Note:

    Quite since the 2nd-MV (World War) began with the Spanish Civil War in 1937 after the coup staged by General Franco and the battles of the guilty internationalists (brigades, or communist brigades, with VOLUNTEERS / not "volunteers" / from all over the world), and not with 1939, when Germany started the war and the occupation of Western and Eastern European countries.

    I am not an alarmist and I do not predict, and especially I DO NOT WAIT for the defeat of the RUSSIAN ARMY!

    But the foundation
    - for regular and timely deliveries and repairs of military equipment, ammunition,
    - OWN FOOD PRODUCTION,
    - the peace of the soldiers on the front line for their relatives in the rear,
    - who have work,
    - receive a SALARY,
    - heated and full,

    IS AN EFFECTIVE, WORKING AND MANAGED NATIONAL STATE ECONOMY,

    and not the remnants of industry and agricultural production, STILL non-resident and UNDECOUNTED by the perestroika, privatizers, reformers and current OPTIMATIZERS over the past 30 years from the beginning of "Perestroika" and 24 years from the collapse of the USSR.

    All the current ministers, the government and the rich people of Russia / owners of factories and plants, think about how ONLY to warm up their hands "on the next military order", and not about how to develop, produce high-quality and inexpensive military equipment and food, to raise the personnel of designers, technologists, working specialists for the military-industrial complex of Russia.

    The war has already begun, and only a FILLED MONTHS are left for us to prepare for large-scale military operations,
    and the well-fed years of high oil prices, foreign exchange earnings to the state budget, a more or less stable economy, NOT STAGNATIONS, RECESSIONS and Sanctions - ALREADY PASSED.

    Only a blind person does not see that Russia and the EAEU have been since 2013. The West has declared and is successfully conducting a WAR, Russia has been directly and indirectly persecuted in politics, sports, trade, the economy and other fields !!!

    Yes, Russia's foreign policy itself, over the past 5-8 years, has been planned, SUCCESSFUL and predictable, and the authority of Russia of its President in the world has significantly grown!

    But without a STRONG STATE and NATIONAL-ORIENTED ECONOMY, aimed at ensuring the WELL-BEING OF THE WHOLE PEOPLE
    and not the current policy of guaranteeing impunity for thieves, robbers, relatives and lazy people in government,
    Russia will spend much more time and suffer unnecessary losses of personnel,
    because on the front line in time there will not be that and this that the ARMY and WARRIORS need today and not TOMORROW.

    And that policy in the media about the role of Stalin's great importance in the development and defense of the USSR, which can be traced over the past 6-8 years in Russia, directly indicates that "some in the country's top leadership" have long and consistently PREPARED for a single correct and the necessary domestic policy for the country, and not for the benefit of the PEST AND CHEERERS of the Motherland, who have entrenched themselves firmly in ALL LEVELS of the Motherland's government.

    When the current policy changes to PEOPLE, we will all see in the next 6-18 months, and I personally expect dramatic changes.

    Michael, Smolensk / Pskov.
  20. +6
    8 December 2015 08: 00
    "You will kill one with a sword, and a thousand with a word" (c). The business of the owners is, JSC is not a state office. And Rogozin is a journalist by profession, fiery speeches are his, what kind of production worker there is.
  21. Far
    +13
    8 December 2015 08: 01
    Here you have the ever-aching business about all kinds of checks, which for some reason everyone should almost kiss in the ass. Yes, the labor and tax inspectorate should not go off them until order is put in place.
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  24. +13
    8 December 2015 08: 27
    Do not plant with us for the destruction of enterprises ..... for some reason
  25. +6
    8 December 2015 08: 38
    Soooo it means not at one factory, not in one city such a misfortune. And we all shout that they are strong and everything is good?! So that's why the troops are replenished with a scanty amount of BT .... And it turns out that the mafia has its own country in Russia :)
  26. +3
    8 December 2015 08: 41
    workers need to take their products to the streets and drive very slowly. It will not work otherwise
    The bosses can hardly hear the workers in the silence of their cozy warm rooms
    1. 0
      8 December 2015 11: 45
      It seems that the prosecutor’s office was busy and Guber is in a frying pan
  27. +17
    8 December 2015 08: 51
    And what do you want everything to go smoothly and quietly. Yes, no, this will not happen to my colleagues, since the West is undergoing a powerful attack on Russia in all directions. Therefore, we often remember about the "fifth column" and occasionally agents of influence from the late 80s. But they have not gone anywhere, moreover, some of them have adapted well to the new conditions, have grown in positions. Add to them all kinds of dirty tricks, who want to live richly no matter what. They don't care about the country, they don't care about the needs of the people. Such individuals are concerned exclusively with their own self-interest and their own pocket. Such people will easily sell state secrets, stop defense production under a plausible pretext, let the professionals leave, and then refer to the lack of manpower. And here the problem is not in Rogozin, but in those bureaucrats, advisers and consultants who have settled in ministries and departments, surrounded by a dense cohort of leaders and blocking the passage of real information. I am writing about this not from words, but based on my own experience and the received "replies" from different levels, up to the State Duma, the Presidential Administration. The conclusion is not mine - Stalin, but I unambiguously agree with him - cadres decide everything. The trouble with VVP is that it does not want to be repeated 37th year. I think that conditions have changed so much that it is impossible, but ... ... without strict administration, which is based on planning, organization, placement of personnel and control (classic management), there can be no effective management. The example of successful owners only confirms this. I had a chance to work with one such. Of course, not everything was done in the classical sense, sometimes with elements of tyranny, which was used by some workers, but there was severe control, sometimes to the smallest detail, and demand. Well, and if, God forbid, caused damage, the dismissal followed immediately. I do not agree - go to court. The owner understands everything, there is a direct interest - money. True, this does not at all guarantee against bankruptcy. The state is the same owner, it has different tasks, but it also has great opportunities (in planning - today it is more sectoral, organizations - the example of Sochi shows this, financing - the budget, in work with personnel - the education system, in organizing control - and here, calling things by their proper names, there is a failure: the old system is being destroyed, but the new one is not being created - liberalization is stubbornly going on (in essence, this is permissiveness)) and they should be used for the good of the country. The government headed by Medvedev cannot cope with this task. I don’t know about you, but I have nothing but irony about Ulyukayev’s idea to privatize Rosneft. The largest and successfully operating company is proposed, albeit in part, to be given over to private owners. What the state will get from this - a one-time amount, and what the private owner will receive - systemic dividends and the ability to influence its work. The question arises - who benefits from it in the first place?
  28. 0
    8 December 2015 09: 12
    The government has no time to deal with and re-equip such plants. 11 thousand people have to do this. This is a very large enterprise! It is clear that now other technologies and needs combined with capabilities, but we must not lose production, at least reduce and save for further revival. The country is big and I do not believe that my tractors are not needed!
    1. +9
      8 December 2015 09: 27
      Quote: VL33
      The government has no time to deal with and re-equip such plants.

      Why then is a government that has no time to deal with the economy?

      Quote: VL33
      11 thousand people have to do this. This is a very large enterprise!

      That is, the workers themselves took ka-a-a-ak, but ka-a-a-ak began to engage in modernization and the like. But where are all these leaders and effective top managers? It seems to be their direct responsibility. Or would it be more correct to call them defective top managers? Then the salaries why the defective ones are by no means among them, but among ordinary workers?
  29. +3
    8 December 2015 09: 20
    Quote: VL33
    The government has no time to engage and re-equip such plants

    In the gas chamber then such a government, since it "has no time."
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  31. Far
    +2
    8 December 2015 09: 25
    Quote: kostyanich
    workers need to take their products to the streets and drive very slowly. It will not work otherwise
    The bosses can hardly hear the workers in the silence of their cozy warm rooms
    Thought is not brought to its logical conclusion. What `s next? Let's start building communism or democracy again? Or maybe the money will appear sharply in the budget (although judging by the article finances go to the enterprise)? This thing is systemic and applies to almost any enterprise throughout the country. Our people are simply afraid of a private trader complaining about labor. There is no question of trade unions.
  32. +4
    8 December 2015 09: 38
    Quote: anip
    In order not to paint what and how, I’ll just give this letter in full.

    "Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich! Many factories in the city of Kurgan have been liquidated, now the question of all employees of the Kurgan Machine-Building Plant OJSC about its future fate is very disturbing. ....
    The workers' wages are minimal, on average 10-15 thousand rubles. There are a lot of problems at this enterprise and the management knows about everything, but does not take any action. We, employees of OJSC "Kurganmashzavod", ask you to stop the arbitrariness of the management - the collapse of the enterprise! Patience is at its limit, and there is no more strength to be silent and wait for no one knows what! "

    I hope, of course, to whose address it is written.

    Now hurray-patriots will run, screaming "you-all-lying", "race-rises-with-hot", "work-must-not-on-the-oven-lie."
    And they will not be aware of it in their cheering Utriotic frenzy, that this has been Putin's economy for the past 16 years.


    It is difficult to admit that you were once again given a ride. 16 years in a row. How many times already in the account. That sacramental question: "Who are you, Mr. Putin?" Is gradually taking the form of an answer: "Mr. Putin is a temporary worker." But of course, this is also part of the wonderful Tricky Plan. By the way, in the 90s, a whole product line was sold, from pasta to oatmeal cookies with the Dovgan label. There was a persistent opinion that products under this sign are of higher quality, for which one has to pay, albeit a higher price. Later, it turned out that the luminary of post-Soviet commerce under the name Dovgan (I think the original was Zilberman), simply sculpted labels with his face and surname, for almost any product. Everything was on the conscience of the manufacturers. Someone made quite suitable minced meat, however, in no way overlapping the quality of home-grown Soviet ones, although such manufacturers were in a significant minority, and someone, without a twinge of conscience, stuffed the meat-like mass with all kinds of slag. All this splendor was covered by the surname "Dovgan", which is an example of a "quality guarantor". The secret was simple. Monsieur Dovgan did not skimp on a PR campaign that was not yet very well known in Russia, or, more simply, an accessible campaign. It's 2015. Someone came up with a "Tricky Plan" that endows Putin with almost supernatural powers. The Russians have dealt with "Dovgan". Now here is the "HPP". Do our unfortunate fellow citizens constantly need to gain experience only through pain and bitterness of privation? Ehhh ...
  33. +5
    8 December 2015 09: 42
    It's a shame, AvtoVAZ covered the Volga Mechanical Plant, they made domestic-made roller and screw pairs and industrial robots, right now they will do stampings for basins ...
  34. +2
    8 December 2015 09: 44
    Quote: Nitarius
    To the wall must be put for SUCH OWNERS!


    Pure water - wrecking. To plant, at least!
    1. +4
      8 December 2015 10: 13
      Yes, not wrecking, but-Sabotage !!! Such leaders in the link to the north of the road to build !!! sad
  35. Fat
    +9
    8 December 2015 09: 55
    P.V. Romanov, Hero of Socialist Labor: CRISIS IS EXTREMES OF LIBERALS. The management system of the Russian Federation gave preference to people who do not have practical skills in organizing production, who do not know which side to approach the lathe ...
    this says almost everything
  36. +6
    8 December 2015 09: 59
    Mr. President, UNTIL ALL THIS WILL CONTINUE INSIDE THE COUNTRY ???
    1. +2
      8 December 2015 10: 10
      Quote: Koshel2901
      Mr. President, UNTIL ALL THIS WILL CONTINUE INSIDE THE COUNTRY ???

      Until 2024 you can be sure of it!
      1. 0
        8 December 2015 10: 21
        Cool avatar !!! Self portrait or your essence ???
        1. +2
          8 December 2015 10: 30
          Quote: Koshel2901
          Cool avatar !!! Self portrait or your essence ???

          Self portrait of course!
  37. +3
    8 December 2015 09: 59
    Quote: Banshee
    And now Old Man declares that "I'll see how Russia builds tractors for missiles without us." Knows what he is talking about. And he has no need to go to Kurgan.

    .. It looks like they raised another Perdogan
  38. +12
    8 December 2015 10: 04
    And how many such plants across the country? And everyone knows everything, but no one does anything. And no one is responsible for the collapse of the country; instead, the Yeltsin Center is opened for 7 billion (!!!).
    1. +11
      8 December 2015 10: 18
      Quote: Belousov
      And how many such plants across the country? And everyone knows everything, but no one does anything. And no one is responsible for the collapse of the country; instead, the Yeltsin Center is opened for 7 billion (!!!).

      MOSCOW, December 1. / TASS /. The construction of a new parliamentary center in the Moscow district of Nizhny Mnevniki will begin in 2016. The head of the Duma commission for the construction of the center, Vladimir Resin, assured reporters of this.
      The issue price is 1.5 billion dollars!
      1. +12
        8 December 2015 12: 12
        Does this shit on the Capitol Hill remind me of one? negative
        1. +2
          8 December 2015 12: 53
          Quote: vadimtt
          Does this shit on the Capitol Hill remind me of one? negative

          this is p.e.d.s.ovsky ZKP
        2. +2
          8 December 2015 12: 53
          This is so that the Varangians have less stress when they move in. negative
        3. Alf
          +2
          9 December 2015 22: 38
          Quote: vadimtt
          Does this shit on the Capitol Hill remind me of one?

          This is a branch.
      2. +1
        8 December 2015 15: 52
        I hope they will invite the Tajiks to steal the dough, and during the next booze this shack will fall apart and punish all these "chosen ones" of the green dollar ...
  39. +12
    8 December 2015 10: 04
    Dear, well, at least it’s good to wake up at least, where do you live? Yes, this mess is everywhere on the railway, in transport, in the military-industrial complex, mechanical engineering, and most importantly in the heads of officials who report and report, by the way, the course for the privatization of state property will continue, who will the heads of these privatized objects, the answer is obvious "their people" who need money, not production, and even more so people working there
  40. +5
    8 December 2015 10: 32
    A little more than 20 years ago, I read in the "perestroika" editions just before the "chubys" privatization "friendly criticism" of the Bolshevik-Communists: "They only knew how to take away and divide all their lives, but did not learn to add and multiply." ... To catch that "smart guy" and burn the same rag on his head. The oligarchs and the pa.dal.shchiki who were fed by them learned how to add and multiply only in their own pockets. This is how they cultivate class hatred by their unseemly actions.
  41. Far
    +10
    8 December 2015 10: 34
    Quote: 31rus
    Dear, well, at least it’s good to wake up at least, where do you live? Yes, this mess is everywhere on the railway, in transport, in the military-industrial complex, mechanical engineering, and most importantly in the heads of officials who report and report, by the way, the course for the privatization of state property will continue, who will the heads of these privatized objects, the answer is obvious "their people" who need money, not production, and even more so people working there
    It is much worse that this is only half of the truth, the second half (which we are afraid to admit to ourselves) is that the same mess is in the heads of our entire society, our children grew up with a priority on material wealth in the first place, and we ourselves were "oskotin" "for 25 post-Soviet years. Congratulations! we live in a society of egoists, where the interests of the country are of secondary importance.
  42. +5
    8 December 2015 10: 44
    Yes, there has been and will be such a thing in the country !!! until they introduce harsh criminal punishment for officials, up to the execution. As for about to walk around, Serdyukov, damn it, that ... YES ANYTHING, is chewing on. Lord officials steal further, you have a GREEN LIGHT.
  43. +1
    8 December 2015 10: 45
    I wonder how it turns out that defense orders do not solve the problem of non-payment for a communal apartment? What are the prices of these orders? Or at what prices communal?


    Gentlemen, read this article "Devastating special account" http://vpk.name/news/144914_razgromnyii_specschet.html, I think you will get answers to many questions. In short, now all the money (defense order, etc.) goes to one account and you CANNOT pay communal and salary from it !!! So that at least 10 billion will be in the accounts, but the enterprise will not be able to pay salary and pay off debts for gas.

    Think for yourself, decide for yourself ... hi
  44. 0
    8 December 2015 10: 55
    I know a defense factory, which is exactly the same thing.
  45. +1
    8 December 2015 11: 43
    I knew that everything was bad in our Kurgan, but I didn’t know that to such an extent.
  46. +7
    8 December 2015 12: 10
    The voice of one crying in the desert ... The current Russian "elite" is not interested in the country's defense capability, they do not need this country, they are interested in this country only as long as they can steal, and they will dump to the west at the first opportunity, and so EVERYWHERE IN RUSSIA. The country is not needed even for ordinary people who see how the "elite" behaves. People think, why should I PROTECT these fattening thieves? And as a result, THIS COUNTRY IS NOT NEEDED BY ANYONE! The paradox is that it still exists!
  47. +4
    8 December 2015 12: 18
    Here's another Moscow plant "DIOD" in your piggy bank. Until the 90s he made all sorts of photodiodes and other interesting infrared devices for the military-industrial complex (and not only). Its own line for growing crystals, its own packaging, its own design bureau. Then privatization. The result is the production of "Chizhevsky's Chandelier" at first (at least some kind of electronics), and now - the production of dietary supplements. Oh, progress damn ...
    All semiconductor processing lines were cut and scrapped (there were enough color and precious metals there), the design bureau was dispersed. That's how we work ...
  48. +5
    8 December 2015 12: 36
    And why are you unclear? America was discovered, but where were your squeaks about 15-20 years ago? .. I, in my city, will list the heels of the largest plants without a trace of which and what? The news of the day plaque fly !!! fool
  49. +4
    8 December 2015 12: 50
    I look at what is happening and seditious thought creeps in: many pebbles were laid in the foundation of the 1945 Victory in 1937 ....
    1. +1
      8 December 2015 15: 26
      Quote: tolancop
      in the foundation of Victory 1945 many pebbles were laid in precisely 1937 ....

      Not only. 1917 year was no less important. And now we are forced to forget it by all means. We remember the victory, but we do not remember the sweat and blood. For the majority, this is an occasion for fun and self-identification with the great ones, but only the majority has no relation to these great ones now.
      And blaming all the blame on the authorities is simple. But no one would even think of blaming themselves for promoting theft. The guilt is not removed from the power, but the responsibility lies with everyone. And where does the homeland begin for everyone?
  50. -16
    8 December 2015 13: 09
    I read ... thoughtful. Just some Svidomo censor !!! Everyone seeks to speak out about certain shortcomings and toss the shit of muck into Russia. Well, I learned that there are problems, well, shut up. Vladimir Vladimirovich already knows about them, he is working on a question. And to call for the shooting of those whom he appointed is to spit in the face of a popularly and unanimously elected president!
    Yes, factories are closing. Yes, in defense factories, even a reduction of 20-30 percent. Factories are working on old equipment. The ruble is crumbling. But there’s a war going on! For centuries, liberals have been destroying our Empire! Vladimir Vladimirovich has only been in power for 15 years ...
    Yes, I personally have a little better - a warm office with a European-quality repair, a new Mondeo from the company, a salary per one hundred parts, I work 3-4 hours a day. But I support our power, and not as Navalny I’m looking for something else to puke. I am for Russia, and you are destroying it under the pretext of such liberal, scribbled letters.
    1. +4
      8 December 2015 15: 57
      Quote: casparcaspar
      Yes, factories are closing. Yes, in defense factories even reduction of 20-30 percent. Factories are working on old equipment. The ruble is crumbling. But there’s a war going on!

      Therefore, one must think about the defense industry, and not about the new parliamentary palaces and the benefits of the oligarchs.
      Quote: casparcaspar
      Vladimir Vladimirovich only 15 years in power ...

      So compare, what kind of leap did the USSR make industrially from the total devastation of the 1920 year to the 1935 year?
      That's who GDP needs to be aligned with.
    2. +1
      10 December 2015 15: 55
      No one recognized sarcasm in the campaign. So thin that even thick.
  51. +3
    8 December 2015 13: 30
    Since the new year, UZEMIK and Hydraulics in Ufa have been closing - sad.....
    1. +1
      8 December 2015 18: 16
      And UPPO, "Progress", "Magnetron", "Promsvyaz", UZAM??? (((( negative
  52. -12
    8 December 2015 13: 36
    Quote: BOB48
    Since the new year, UZEMIK and Hydraulics in Ufa have been closing - sad...
    - The authorities know better. This means that five or ten new factories will be opened somewhere!!! Look around, the country is rising from its knees! And you feel sorry for some small factories that were ruined by liberals.
    1. +1
      8 December 2015 17: 45
      Looks like you've seen enough TV!!
    2. 0
      8 December 2015 17: 45
      Looks like you've seen enough TV!!
    3. +2
      8 December 2015 21: 25
      Thousands of people worked at these “some kind of factories”, and these people and their families are somehow not warmed by the idea that instead of their factory there will be some kind of office in which several dozen people will work for money unthinkable for ordinary workers, or for you this not people either, but just a few tens of thousands of some kind of people? and that you haven’t heard of opening at least just two new defense plants, and not two for each closed one, you, my friend, are either a fat troll or a provocateur
  53. +8
    8 December 2015 13: 39
    OIL IS FALLING IN PRICE - the price of chemicals, transportation, gasoline, heating, etc. is RISING??? - this is insanity and not economics...
    1. +3
      8 December 2015 14: 19
      So our monopolies must compensate for the losses they incur in foreign markets.
      How to take it? From the domestic market, of course. And then, so as not to waste, take it abroad and thereby collapse the ruble exchange rate further. And then we need to take even more rubles from the domestic market in order to get the same number of dollars. And again take it out and collapse it, and so on ad infinitum.
      Look how much capital was exported last year and this year in $. And compare this with the entire budget for supporting industry. The figure will be 50-100 times higher.

      In general, with such monopolization as ours, prices cannot help but rise. They grow everywhere where there is a monopoly. Why shouldn’t they raise the price if the buyer still has nowhere to go? The same Rosneft, Russian Railways, now Aeroflot, Sberbank... Who should they be afraid of and why should they be ashamed.

      I used to think that state property is good because... It’s like a common folk thing. It supposedly works for the people.
      But in practice it turned out that it does not work for the people, but for the leaders of these enterprises and those who appointed them there. And if their interest is not in the state and the people, then this is very bad.
      1. +3
        8 December 2015 15: 05
        Quote: Abrekkos
        I used to think that state property is good because... It’s like a common folk thing. It supposedly works for the people.
        But in practice it turned out that it does not work for the people, but for the leaders of these enterprises and those who appointed them there. And if their interest is not in the state and the people, then this is very bad.

        The Duma and the government live by the same principle. They set their own salaries and issue bonuses regardless of work results. And no one can “punish” them for failures in their work and failure to fulfill their duties. However, they come up with responsibilities and results themselves.
        1. +4
          8 December 2015 15: 17
          Yes, in practice, of course.

          But in fact, the problem is that our country is governed according to the feudal-mafia principle.
          You are a good person and a true comrade. I'll give you Gazprom to feed you. And to you, my friend Rosneft. And for you, Russian Technologies. And all the TV channels for you.

          But you seem to be also Faithful, but you are not my friend, so I will make you a deputy from United Russia.

          And you seem to be good and kind of dumber than me. And it seems like everyone understands this. So I’m going to make you prime minister so that you don’t trick me and won’t be able to replace me.

          Etc. and so on. and with a feudal method of governance based on friendship and nepotism, the development and competitiveness of the country will never be ensured.

          These comrades need to be able to be friends with the Sovereign and his companions, and not be able to do something to get everything.
    2. +1
      8 December 2015 22: 34
      Let's give the country 10 rubles each for gasoline and diesel fuel. and electricity for 10 kopecks. per kilowatt!!!! there will be an increase in production then, and imposing a bunch of new taxes will not lead to anything good
  54. -11
    8 December 2015 13: 48
    Quote: Sanyht
    OIL IS FALLING IN PRICE - the price of chemicals, transportation, gasoline, heating, etc. is RISING??? - this is insanity and not economics...
    - There is a war going on now. Crimea was saved from the invasion of Ukraine, Ukraine attacked Novorossiya, America attacked Syria.
    Well, about the prices...that’s really the problem! Is there really nothing to eat?
    Ask anyone on the street - we will walk naked, we will rent out cars, we will transfer apartments to the state, we will send children to the troops, we will die for Vladimir Vladimirovich (read - for Russia).
    And in general, can you somehow prove that prices have increased? Otherwise, it’s all “prices are rising!!!”, and when you really find out, it’s liberal zilch. :)
    1. +1
      10 December 2015 15: 57
      Listen, stop trolling already. The people are leading the way.
  55. +7
    8 December 2015 14: 09
    Unfortunately, this happens in many places.

    In fact, it has already reached the point of industrial degradation. There is simply nowhere to mass-produce products. The leadership of the “industry” doesn’t want to, and they shy away from everything new like the plague.
    Even if they take it out of the blue, everyone curses it. Because there is nowhere to get anything, neither components nor materials. Someone once made them all, but doesn't do them anymore.

    Here's an example from a related industry. Our pride is the Angara rocket. It was a great achievement for the designers and the plant that both carriers (light and heavy) were successful the first time. But what next?
    Under the USSR, this would have immediately given a state prize and the star of a hero of socialist labor. Even when I took off after 5 accidents in the USSR they gave it.
    What do we have? The chief designer of the Angara was quietly fired because... interfered with the collapse of the team and the development of expensive Moscow land. Managers from AVTOVAZ destroyed the production of Protone. The heads of the Angara assembly shops and a number of others were fired.
    Production had to be moved to a new site 2 thousand km away. Not only that no one from Moscow goes there. And they didn’t give money to create a new production. Apparently they spent it all in Moscow.
    And what? everything hangs in disarray. Employees work and don’t know whether they will be fired in a year or not.
    And this, by the way, is the plant and design bureau that once made the most reliable heavy-class carrier in the world. And who created promising Angara launch vehicles. And we have nothing else for the future.
    Should we be surprised at new accidents and delays?
  56. +6
    8 December 2015 14: 12
    The article is correct, but today there are a lot of such articles, and not only from tractor manufacturers, but also from aviators, shipbuilders... After the speeches of Putin, who, as always, spoke a lot, but modestly remained silent about the new economic strategy, an interview with Medvedev is expected tomorrow. Already from the announcement, I understood that we will again be called upon to be patient and loyal, convinced that our decisions are correct, and that nothing needs to be changed. Corruption in the Country is simply catastrophic, officials do not bear any responsibility, and in the parliamentary corps there are debates about the declaration of income, which, from a rational and correct approach, are turning into a farce every day. None of the officials and deputies (most of whom are representatives of United Russia) are willing to speak honestly, and in place of this they offer all sorts of loopholes and detours for their loved ones. Yesterday, Life News reported that an error of 20% of the declared amount will not be punished, the main thing is that the official or deputy submits the declaration on time. In short, be patient, guys, the war against embezzlers and corrupt officials is in full swing. Workers are freezing, salaries are not paid on time, satellites that took 10 years to develop do not reach orbit, hospitals are closing, this is not the main thing today. Why make people nervous about mistakes, it’s either good or nothing.
    The more mistakes there are, the more noticeable the negligence and outright sabotage of the ruling structures, the happier the news of our economy. Well, what next?
  57. +9
    8 December 2015 14: 54
    I agree with Nekomabatant, but I’ll try to dig deeper. Global privatization, reduction of state presence even in the defense industry, etc. all this is in line with the ideas of E. Gaidar. And who invited Gaidar as an ideological inspirer? A. Chubais is a member of the Family organized crime group. And who picked up and warmed VVP when the latter was left without work and connections due to the flight of his boss Sobchak to Paris? A. Chubais. And who had more than 30 agents of foreign intelligence services working at his headquarters (by the way, the same thing is now happening in (in) Ukraine) Chubais. And stay and maintain virginity in this swamp, that is, not be recruited? this is from the realm of fantasy. And so, the deputy of the disgraced mayor ends up in this trash heap... And then. Fantastic rise up the career ladder! From deputy mayor to president. People, I don’t believe in miracles! But Chubais’ unsinkability and the president’s support for the government and its economic policy to destroy the state economy lead me to certain thoughts. Why is Mister Putin? What country do you work for?
  58. +4
    8 December 2015 15: 01
    Everything will be as it will be until the thunder strikes and then Putin will howl ** BROTHERS and SISTERS** maybe even put Mendel and his ** comrades** up against the wall, because... there must be someone extreme. It’s not for the Darkest to answer, he is sinless. ambut the flag is not mine.
  59. +1
    8 December 2015 15: 27
    This article from RBC is not entirely on the topic under discussion, although this is how you look at it:

    The Ministry of Finance expects the reduction of wages to increase Russia's competitiveness

    ..."A reduction in real wages will lead to a decrease in the living standards of Russians, but will help increase Russia's competitiveness and balance the country's economy, Deputy Minister of Finance Alexei Moiseev said, speaking at a conference organized by the Moscow Exchange in London. According to the Deputy Head of the Ministry of Finance, earlier wages in Russia were growing faster than labor productivity, but now the situation is changing. “We will be faced with a decline in living standards. We are planning a very limited indexation of state pensions, and the private sector is holding back wage growth,” Moiseev admitted. He also noted that, thanks to not increasing wages, inflation in the country “will not grow so fast.” The deputy head of the Ministry of Finance considers it possible to bring inflation to 4% by 2017. According to Rosstat, in October 2015, the real salary of the average Russian fell by 10,9%. have been declining since 1999.

    Today, the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov expressed disagreement with the fact that the incomes of Russians have sharply decreased. “Your formulation [about a sharp decline in incomes of the population] can hardly be agreed with from the point of view of too strong a drop in incomes,” Peskov said, answering a question about the actions of the authorities to prevent a sharp drop in the incomes of Russians (quote from TASS). Earlier, Deputy Head of the Ministry of Labor Lyubov Yeltsova predicted that at the end of 2015, the size of real wages in Russia will decrease by 9,8%, and it will be possible to return to the level of 2014 only in 2018..."

    Read more at RBC:
    http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5666c2079a79475406a267ea#xtor=AL-[internal_traffic
    ] - [rss.rbc.ru] - [top_stories_brief_news]
  60. +2
    8 December 2015 15: 45
    Sometimes I just regret that Article 58 of the USSR Criminal Code was abolished, because this is purely sabotage; during the war, sharashkas worked even under better conditions. It’s nothing less than Serdyukov’s fosterlings doing harm.
  61. +6
    8 December 2015 15: 47
    Why, cheers to the patriots from the trading stall, is this situation surprising?
    And it’s not surprising, we have 8 to 1 such factories (from my business trip experience). Where managers from the 90s have connections, both to receive orders and to push them, they have a deep stake in the salaries and qualifications of workers, as a result of which the factories are dead and are engaged in laundering government money. Moreover, these 92% of enterprises are reaching their last years, when the last pensioners will die out, and then there will only be privatization. Moreover, everyone knows about this, but pretends that they are not aware.
  62. +3
    8 December 2015 16: 55
    yes, the situation is very bad, while all the enterprises that are tied to the defense industry and are still alive need to take strict control over it, and until they return to state ownership, you write letters thousands of times, nothing will change. But I hope that it will change for the better. But what to do with all these bourgeois who own plants and factories? And what is the bourgeois goal, to make money and don’t care about everything else. And he didn’t care about your state order from a high bell tower. If there is not enough money from him.
  63. +6
    8 December 2015 17: 01
    I propose, by analogy with “Plato,” that all employees of this plant should be included in the 5th column or even sold out to the State Department. At this difficult time for the country, they wanted souls. They want to turn all of Moscow into paid parking.
    This is such a sad irony. After all, what is the power and its rating based on? They create enemies. Just five years ago, everyone was afraid and hated the Chechens, all these notorious shooting Caucasian weddings, but Ukraine appeared (a new enemy) and the weddings disappeared, then the hero of Russia Kadyrov saved the journalists, then they saved them without him, but the image was created. Now they have almost forgotten about Ukraine. The new enemy is the Turks, and the authorities are fighting tirelessly.
    Attention question. what did the government do good for the people?
  64. -14
    8 December 2015 17: 22
    “Chief, everything is gone! The plaster is being removed, the client is leaving...” (c). Once again, those who idolize the “scoop” were noted. They say they GAVE EVERYTHING, just go to work, “Everything was for free” (c). So: There was no fucking thing. FUCK! It was only among persons involved in the party and trade union stratum. And even that is relative. The rest - in turn for 50 years. Families, cold at work - it’s time to cry.... We have seen something else in life and have achieved everything - apartments, foreign cars, decent dachas. Without "partisanship in work and life" without loans. It was truly a different time in the 90s. Those who did not cry that they did not pay wages, did not hope that they would “give” them, were able to reach a level in life so that they would not be ashamed in front of their children. Without even crime. Have a Craft? Do you have arms and a head? There is no time to cry - life flies by quickly. No one owes anyone anything and will never give anything. If you agree, then you have killed the scoop in yourself and you will live. If not, your fate will continue to cry and exist in shit.
  65. msm
    msm
    0
    8 December 2015 18: 16
    The motto of those in power: “Everyone steals!”
  66. -3
    8 December 2015 18: 42
    It’s cool, I looked at what kind of site this is where the letter is posted. The site is cool, I’ll tell you. That means you can write anything on it, anytime, by anyone. In connection with this, a question? Hasn’t anyone thought that this is just a hoax? If theoretically, yes, and Potential opponents of our state can practically scribble on it. But! I agree that not everything is good with us, but by and large it’s not all sugar now, mind you, even all over the world. But don’t forget there is an information war going on. Yes, and the Third World War has been going on for a long time, just not on Russian territory. Understand that the weapons now are the most powerful Media. There will be no war like 41-45, the technology is not the same now.
  67. +1
    8 December 2015 19: 06
    That's why the Turks are not afraid.
  68. +3
    8 December 2015 19: 36
    What's so surprising?
    Since the time of Eltsin, the scientific and production potential of the Russian Federation has been purposefully destroyed at the behest of and to please our “partners.” They destroyed the civil aviation industry, machine tool industry, shipbuilding, education, healthcare...
  69. +4
    8 December 2015 19: 40
    Quote: priapman
    ABOUT "IT'S GOOD TO JUDGE". MAYBE ENOUGH ALL THE BARANS ON PUTIN TO HANG UP, ALREADY VOMES! WHERE YOU LOOK - EVERYWHERE, PUTIN IS GUILTY, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO THE TUNGUSSK METEORITE FALLED ..., ALSO PUTIN WAS NOT LOOKING OUT ??? YOUR READINGS AT THE LEVEL "BUTTERS IN THE STORE". IF YOU WERE ALWAYS ONLY IN THE COURSE OF THE POLITICAL HURRENCE AND MOOD OF THE ELITE, YOU WOULD KNOW WHY THE PRICES RISE SO AND WHO IS FOR IT, AND WHY THE STATE IS DOING, BUT IT DOESN'T REACH, AND DOESN'T REACH. BUT YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING, THIS IS THE KING - HE IS GUILTY, WHO ELSE? And MAIDAN IS ONLY FROM US AND WAITING, DO NOT WAIT FOR CREATURE! ...

    Said everything? Where did you see the fifth column?
  70. +1
    8 December 2015 19: 52
    As long as the hucksters are in power, nothing good will happen.
  71. +3
    8 December 2015 19: 54
    The Lord is high... The Tsar is far away... The Red October Volgograd plant... First I wanted to comment in detail, I read everything again, I spat... And layoffs, not without an excuse, of course, and a reduction in the standard for issuing PPE (sacred!) , and water in the showers. And the inscription on the roof of the largest workshop of the enterprise (they can see it from a satellite and report it))) Look at “in contact”; you’re not an expert at inserting links. Alarming!
  72. +5
    8 December 2015 20: 29
    Very insightful article guys! After all, 90% of military-industrial complex enterprises operate thanks to the courage of their workers! I agree, we are inundated with orders, but most operations are carried out on old equipment and in terrible conditions. As a reserve officer (served in the space forces), I know all this “cuisine” and am not a jingoist, but I love the Fatherland very much. Now our entire country is held together only by our RUSSIAN MENTALITY! We endure all hardships and hardships only to spite the enemy! After all, we still have a lot of people left who do not waste their lives (eat, sleep, etc.), but sacrificially serve their Fatherland! By the way, this does not apply to Moscow or other large cities. There, the golden calf has long consumed the minds of people and consumerism has eclipsed other human values!
  73. +3
    8 December 2015 20: 47
    As long as the country is ruled by the “shareholders” of everything and anything that can generate income, 90% of this income will end up in the pockets of shareholders until the cash cow “dies.” After that, they direct screams and cries in the media, in government bodies - let’s save strategic industries - read, give money from the budget to support what was stolen. They give money from the budget, the rating of the “very public” government grows, the “people” praise the savior, and the shadow government begins another round of milking (they are shareholders, everything is legal, these are the laws of capitalism....). The wildest disproportions in wages - a worker 15-20 tr. - director 0000000 tr. All the norms and decencies of civil society have been violated. Until the “shareholders” who seized power in Russia after the collapse of the USSR are “combed out” from the body of the country like lice, Russia cannot have any prosperous future.
  74. +1
    8 December 2015 21: 15
    in front of these people they simply spread the sheets for it
  75. +3
    8 December 2015 21: 27
    You know, although I am sick of reading articles in the Western press about Russia and Putin, I cannot disagree with them, our country is governed manually. The king decides everything, and either he doesn’t see the scale of the mess in our country, which I don’t believe. Or is this board beneficial to him, but it’s not clear why? There is, of course, a third option, even despite the 80% support of the people, everything is so neglected that even the president is afraid to touch the Kremlin mafia. And to be honest, it’s scary to think what could happen to Russia if Putin is gone tomorrow? Will we watch slow-witted Dima? Today, an honest person and politician is not able to rise to power in Russia; they simply will not allow him to do so. For he will be a threat to all thieves, from governors to the prosecutor general. Do they need it? Is there someone in our king’s entourage who could replace him? I don't see any of those. Although I don’t like Lukashenko a little, now we need a person who would take the entire military-industrial complex under the care of the state and take care of internal order. If, God forbid, June 22, 1941 happens again tomorrow, I don’t think we will emerge victorious.
  76. +2
    8 December 2015 21: 57
    Thoughts for Everyone. Every mistake has a surname, position, title. I.V. Stalin’s collected works. First of all, this is for the government. And now the basis of all reforms. I don’t see an alternative to the thoughts and works of Academician Glazyev, you can argue in detail but not on in essence. Only the mobilization vector of economic development or one close to it is capable of ensuring development. Glazyev and Delyagin are right, by someone else’s rules you will not be a winner. The economy, along with the national idea, will ensure development and progress.
  77. Erg
    +1
    8 December 2015 22: 40
    I read your comments, friends, and I see that many are rushing around, afraid to admit to themselves the main thing - Russia needs ONE power! Otherwise, the arbitrariness of the local kings was unleashed... The working people were besieged on all sides. Yes, guys. I am for dictatorship, strict responsibility and for articles in the Criminal Code for sabotage and treason.
  78. 0
    8 December 2015 23: 06
    Quote: Banshee
    Quote: qwert
    described in the article does not please, but scares


    Don't be afraid here. After all, this happens not only in Kurgan. Volgograd, Voronezh, Tula ... There is such a thing on a heap of military enterprises. And it can be worse. We decided, for example, to place a state order at the Polyus NPO on a radio station. Rogozin rode up, and found out that there is NO WHERE to place! The plant is torn apart, a bunch of tenants and owners are sitting in workshops and rivet furniture, spare parts, and so on.

    Dima popereshchal, ordered to disperse everyone, but it is easy to say, but to do it more difficult. Especially if there is "brilliant green" on the square. For a year already, the war has been going on with showdowns, they are trying to cancel the privatization. And the order has already left for another plant.

    Roman, good evening. If everything were that simple, everything would be fine.smile In fact, we have such organizations in Russia: the Ministry of Industry and Trade, headed by D. Manturov (a sociologist by first education), and the Ministry of Economic Development, headed by Ulyukaev, whose immediate responsibilities include resolving the issues raised in the article, and D. Rogozin simply does not have the strength to call them to order due to well-known and not so well-known circumstances. hi
  79. +1
    9 December 2015 07: 45
    And, why be surprised, this has been happening all over Russia for more than 20 years. Unfortunately, the USSR collapsed before our eyes, apparently “they” (they are our internal enemies) will be able to destroy the Russian Federation, how can we save RUSSIA?
  80. 0
    9 December 2015 09: 23
    The other day I read about the production of shells. The same sad picture, if not worse.
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  82. -1
    9 December 2015 11: 38
    The main problem of KMZ is that our army does not want to buy infantry fighting vehicles. The military says that you won’t drive a soldier into an infantry fighting vehicle, everyone is sitting on the armor.
    The plant was lucky that the paratroopers to the BMD did not cool, and the Volgograd plant that produced them went bankrupt. The Indonesians liked the floating car.
    KMZ's entry into UVZ holding has changed the situation a bit. The lobbying opportunities of the holding are higher. But UVZ itself now lies on its side, the demand for civilian products in Russia has fallen to zero, Export is closed due to sanctions, there is no tank competitive on the world market, and it cannot feed subsidiaries.
  83. 0
    9 December 2015 12: 08
    (...not from Rogozin’s hot statements, but from hot water in the shower and hot radiators in the workshop) So, should Rogozin deal with the heating issue? Or maybe this government should, is obliged to establish legislative standards for enterprises in the defense complex and for enterprises in general?
    And why does Mr. Shuvalov have a house in Austria of one and a half thousand meters? What will he think about the country? You are asking the question correctly, but it does not depend on Rogozin.
    What does Putin not do here? But this is not normal. The question to Putin should be like this: How long will we tolerate this government with Dvorkovich and Shuvalov, Skvortsova and Ulyukaev and others...? There's nothing but verbiage and rubbing in points! Glazyev proposed a way out of stagflation, and his liberal media were Mr.'s face. But he is the President’s adviser on economic issues and the government also ignores him. The fifth column has something to protect. But who is covering up the fifth column?
  84. +1
    9 December 2015 12: 12
    I read the article, read the comments and listened to D. Mndvedev (interview). I believe that with such a prime minister nothing good awaits us in the future. There is an opinion that if you want to ruin something, then you don’t need to send spies or terrorists to the plant, put a thief in charge of the plant and he will do everything in the best possible way - he will steal, find a loophole in customs, disorganize production and the plant will not exist, just like the country. If things are going badly in a brothel, then you don’t need to change the furniture and make repairs, but you need to change the girls.
    1. +1
      9 December 2015 12: 17


      On the issue of restoring order in the country.
  85. +1
    9 December 2015 13: 06
    If the plant really produces and sells so much, and for export, then only one thing can be said - its managers are very wealthy people. In general, after the Vostochny cosmodrome, these are minor things. If the presidential project was stolen like that, what can we say about some CMH. It's good that it's not like that everywhere.
  86. 0
    9 December 2015 13: 16
    By the way, here is a petition, please support it.

    https://www.change.org/p/президент-россии-поддержите-курганский-машиностроительн
    th-factory-stop-the-collapse-of-the-enterprise?recruiter=145610390&utm_source=share_peti
    tion&utm_medium=copylink
  87. 0
    9 December 2015 14: 39
    A burning topic! Putin is forming a team to work. Or does someone disagree? So let him be responsible for the work of the team responsible for internal economic policy.
  88. oof
    +2
    9 December 2015 15: 16
    The question arises: if there were no conflicts in Syria, Ukraine, there were no sanctions, then what would our sovereign sing then? Who would people be against? After all, many are now sitting and thinking, if only things wouldn’t get worse. We’ll endure it, we’ll squeeze in, because all of Europe and America is against us.
  89. +2
    9 December 2015 17: 32
    I’ve been saying for a long time that we don’t have a state, but an organized crime group that seized power in the 90s.
    1. 0
      9 December 2015 17: 45
      ....Why are you saying that...no, we are honest!
  90. 0
    9 December 2015 17: 45
    This crap should be regarded as an undermining of combat readiness! AND PUNISH IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DISCIPLINARY CHARTER!!!! Bankers and utility workers should be called into the ranks urgently!! Like partisans)))) And let them spend the winter in the field..... laughingIt will come faster this way
  91. 0
    9 December 2015 19: 53
    Didn't understand. Do you have some kind of get-together here? I sent my opinion - it’s not there. Is there a club of interests here?
  92. 0
    9 December 2015 20: 03
    camp!! They have found a place for you where you can let off steam. None of those in power are interested in your opinion. I am offended and ashamed for the Russian nation.
  93. 0
    10 December 2015 09: 05
    Comrade PRESIDENT!!! For the sake of your people! Please pay attention to this terrible situation! After all, the bureaucratic creatures will destroy our defense industry! They will ruin it for the sake of a couple of million bucks in their own pocket! And then restoring what was destroyed is much more difficult work than simply preserving it and preventing it from being destroyed! And where are we then without all this? Again, as in 41, “four rifles for the entire battalion and each rifle has the last cartridge...”
  94. 0
    10 December 2015 10: 47
    I couldn’t help but discuss this topic. I read almost all of them. I don’t agree about putting these “managers” in jail. This is undermining the country's defense capability and theft of state property. There were once two razstrelnye articles. This is the minimum that should happen to them. And the answer to the questions of many, “Does Putin, Rogozin, etc. see what’s going on, why are they silent? Etc., etc. The answer! They all don’t care about you and me! The people for them are something like a yard dog. Give me something to eat once a day and lie in your cold booth, and don’t even think about yapping. Remember! This will always continue, under any power! Until Our consciousness and awareness change. And today this is slavish coexistence with the "powers of this world." When our person goes to any government institution, medical institution, educational institution, he walks half-bent, with a bag in his teeth, sometimes just a chocolate bar with cognac, and sometimes with a briefcase of cash. In our city, there is a line at the children's There were about 30.000 children in the kindergarten! Whoever paid was the one who paid the money, the school, the same story. So, in my opinion: The authorities are to a lesser extent to blame for corruption, but you and I are more to blame! The law of supply and demand has not been canceled! There will be no supply, demand will dry up. Start with yourself, and hit your neighbor on the hands for what he gives. And don’t be silent when you are at a reception with “notable people”. If I were some kind of deputy or something similar, and at least 10 people a day would blow my mind like an adult. A month later I would be shaking when I went to work, two months later I would visit a fool, and then I would end up in a noose. These authorities should be afraid of the people, even at this level. Therefore, first of all, in order to change something in society, you need to change yourself first. Sorry if this is harsh, this is my personal opinion and I do not impose it on anyone.
  95. +1
    10 December 2015 11: 21
    Quote: Consul-t
    The fifth column began to speak.

    Quote: Consul-t
    How did you introduce Plato in a timely manner, do not you think?

    What’s interesting to me is that they write about tolls for road use and the protest of truckers.
    Well, I haven’t come across a statement about fines about overloading 500 thousand, who came up with that?
    Involuntarily, the question will arise about the timeliness of Plato.
    You just can’t imagine how many parasites feed from one truck
    such as control centers (scarlet sails), etc.
    Why do our laws tighten the screws on robots?
    If you don’t want to take on an overload, quit, if you took on an overload, they slammed the scales, give up your license, and at least one manager was imprisoned for delaying wages.
    Ask any truck driver which load is better for him to drive: 20 or 40 tons.
    Well, I’m generally silent about pricing for cargo transportation; prices for drivers have not changed for a long time
    although everyone on occasion says that diesel fuel has become more expensive, so prices have risen
    And the driver received pennies the same way.
    Dispatchers and other managers are fattening up on our ridge.
    My smtag for long-distance transport is 15 years old
  96. 0
    10 December 2015 12: 27
    Smotrika, someone put a minus for lone... Apparently it was Rogozin wink
  97. 0
    10 December 2015 17: 55
    And that America was discovered?))) Yes, this is the situation at half of Russian enterprises. You can replace the name of the plant in the text with “plant No. X” and write about almost any plant. This is all a consequence of sitting on the pipe and the forest. The current elite does not need production at all.
  98. 0
    10 December 2015 21: 09
    I don’t understand why the author of the article is dissatisfied. Did both “Crimean” and “Syrian” rejoice at the greatness of Russia? We were happy. Were you ready to endure sanctions and worsening life for this? Ready. Well, be patient. God endured and commanded us. The country is already in a difficult international situation and there is no time to stir up internal problems. For 20 years they received a salary of 10k rubles and washed in a cold shower, be patient a little longer, tea are not some pampered gay Europeans
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  100. 0
    10 December 2015 21: 46
    Article plus.
    This picture is not only in Kurgan, almost everywhere where “effective owners” have reached there is devastation passed off as “optimization”.
    At the Tver Excavator Plant, the production area was 56 thousand m2, potential productivity up to 4000 excavators per year, developed social infrastructure, five thousand jobs (1990). But all this, after the arrival of the “effective owner”, went to waste, in 2009 the number of workers decreased almost fourfold - from 2900 to 800 people, but the Hitachi plant appeared with a team of 150 people (260 maximum), assembling construction sets from Japanese components .