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It is necessary to write about Donbass either well or nothing ... except the truth?

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Frankly, readers' comments inspired a sequel. Especially those who were directly voiced cries on the subject of Russian draining the Russian world in the Donbas.


Strange situation: Donbass has already died? And on this topic, you can write either well or nothing? But the ancient Romans said a little differently: either well or nothing but the truth. Lies as if for a while I do not watch. Some, however, thought differently, but forgive me, it was not my fault that they did not know that there were elections in the Donbas. And it is in the people's councils of both republics.

So, essentially the question.

The treatment that we write about Donbass is either good or nothing, does not suit me personally. And I will not write about the series of endless holidays in the DPR. There are other people for this. If a journalist’s conscience allows someone to write two lines about a lost woman, and then avidly tell on two sheets that the same day was the celebration of the day of the St. George ribbon - this is to each his own.

What is happening today in the DPR causes a feeling of surprise and misunderstanding.

You have a war? Do people die? Then what kind of festivals are we talking about? "We will answer with provocative songs and dances to the next shelling?" And then from the feast right to the funeral? Brad of some kind, really feast during the plague.

A four-meter-high St. George ribbon. Well, not at your own expense. Present. It’s not for me to judge whether it is bad or good, but dragging this tape does not look very clever. Of course, it is better for Donetsk citizens to judge whether all these festivities are necessary or not. But we will be judged too, because we have every right to do so.

We are, of course, Russia. And our budget. "White KamAZ" is us. “North wind” is us. Gas and electricity that go for free is us. Money for salaries and pensions - again we.

It is clear that the monuments need to be repaired and, perhaps, to open new ones. And to celebrate, too, sometimes something is necessary. But not all the time. There seems to be a war. So it turns out in fact an interesting such alignment. A year has passed without active hostilities. Legal system can not be adjusted. Industry can not. The economy is more like the protection of the market in 90's with us. One excuse - "we have the same war." About the law generally keep quiet, it was not and is not even expected. Complete chaos.

With the constitution we turn, as we want, we expel the deputies, as in Russia, Gaster from work, if the muzzle did not come out.

By the way, in September a rally in support of Purgin was held (more precisely, he tried to be held). About 40 a person was arrested. So, according to my information received from Donetsk friends, everyone is sitting. And they will sit. There are no courts ... And there are no bomber as well, for the role of lawyers. For every extra word can happen to knock on the door.

And everyone is silent, everyone is happy with everything. The instinct of self-preservation works like a clock. And this is understandable and not deprecated. Everybody wants to live.

But what does the Russian world plum mean? Russia did not come up with laws on which it openly "puts". Not Russia thought up to arrange such elections, which took place in the DPR. When the deputies went to the lists from as many as two parties, and now the voters do not know who to run to. Because voted do not understand for whom. It is not Russia’s fault that the economy and industry are in a duplex state. Russia is not to blame for the fact that operating enterprises (especially those working for export) still pay taxes to Ukraine. And for some reason this suits both Plotnitsky and Zakharchenko. Russia is not to blame for the fact that the former militia left, and it is unlikely to return, even if it burns strongly. Because they are in Russia. Work for their own good.

It is clear that all the fault of Russia is that our divisions did not enter and did not take Kiev. Then there would be beauty and lepota. Well yes. Give us, and more, and we can eat ourselves.

And yourself? What are they? Oh yeah, war ...

But what a bad luck again. The two buildings of the LC and the DNI are 30 thousands of people. Well, take 40, with scribes, cooks, and so on ... And throw thousands more 10 on the MGB, and so on. This is to make it easier to count. Total 50 thousands of people who have something to do with the war. Or struggling with manifestations of this war. These are those who are related to "we have a war."

And there are still 2,5 million. That is, in the 1 war of 50. Rest? The rest of what? Never mind. Teach children. Treat people. Clean up the trash. Repair the pipes. Coal is mined. Not all 49, of course. But the main part. And if they prevent the war, that in the part that is adjacent to the front line. They live. Not at your pleasure, but - live. And we write about them, and we write with pleasure. And we will write in the future.

But that goes against the understanding, too, it makes no sense to remain silent. For the DNI is far from the Brazilian standard of "the country of the eternal carnival." Very far away. But Russia has nothing to do with it.

Yes, they put "their" Minister Borodai. And he seemed to have put his own Minister Strelkov. Did not come to court? No question removed. Is everyone local today? Everything. Any changes? It seems to be there. With last year can not be compared, better. From total lawlessness went to the lawlessness of a single group of individuals. Already progress.

Many of my friends from there whisper say that the Russians are very often behind the chaos. I listen. But since not a single last name has been mentioned, I don’t even extend to this point. There will be something to say - I will say. So far, only half-hearing and half-gossip.

But with the mayhem of local bottling 14 months of my skating with the help of the militia faced. Here are just Russians in them, I have never seen.

Not with the Russian woman Gubareva and her people, I had a nehily scandal in May last year. It was on the subject of where and how they sent our first cargo. And after that, the Lord (or rather, good people) took me away from the baryg intermediaries and gave me the opportunity to work directly.

Not the Russian militia in Avrosimovka tried to “ease” me by a quarter of the load in favor of the “glorious militia”. And the load was God forbid. And when I refused them and turned around to wait for the "Golden Eagles" on the neutral, the Avrosimovskys quickly plunged into the car and drove to overtake our truck. Considering that we naturally were without weaponswould have caught up and eased. But already on the big figure. And thanks to our Chechens, who did not give us an offense. And there already, and "Berkuty" pulled up.

Not a Russian, but a Donetsk man Misha “Konvoy” tried to deploy me in Kuybyshevo to Izvarino. Say, there will not miss for anything, and there I will drag you and unload. I would unload it ... Well, my friends from Donetsk suggested that this clown had already been a month since it had been expelled from the SVD Berkut.

Not the Russians, but the very residents of Bryanka calmly "pushed" the load of my friend Mokey, instead of taking it from me, to tell who should be in this town.

Not Russians stole 400 thousands from the Ghost Battalion. This, too, was not weak barking with the brain. While he was doing business under Debaltseve, the head of the humanitarian department was put in the basement, and money was withdrawn from her card. I lost my relationship with Mozgov, but I didn’t have to prove that Gladkov was nothing. And Gladkov pull out.

What happened next with the money, I don’t know, it wasn’t my business, but daddy with documents convincingly proving that while Gladkova was sitting, two people withdrew money, one in Donetsk (ours) and the second in Shakhty, still lies somewhere in Russia. And a flash drive with a recording of an ATM camera in Donetsk. Who went to the mine in a different way identified. So, just in case lies. Suddenly in Lugansk I will get together, there will be someone to show a kintso.

Not Russians shot the humanitarian Russian Zhenka "Zarya". He remained to the border kilometer 3-4. They were shot precisely because they refused to share. Caught on the way back from Lugansk. And they wrote off everything on the Ukrainian DRG ...

I did not write about it. How, casting a shadow on all the militia because of a couple or three villains ... But the longer I look at that side, the more I realize that everything is not as festive and rosy as I would like. And not at all in the way that the media of the unrecognized republics often want to show us. And the percentage of villains for some reason does not decrease.

People are the same everywhere. There is an opportunity to cling to the cut - they will be sawed while there is an opportunity. And sawing. And in the DNI, and in the LC. Such is the nature of man.

It took a long time, as there is no active hostilities in the Donbas. And after a year we can draw certain conclusions about the viability of the republics. And we will look further. If only because we have done our time in a good way, I think, a contribution to the victory.

Therefore, in the future, materials about life in the DPR and LPR will appear. Depending on how events will unfold. We have done so, and we will continue to do so.

And if someone has a weak nervous system, and he wants us to have materials on the endless achievements of the republics and holidays, then there is DAN for this. Donetsk Agency News. Love and favor. Everything is always beautiful there.

And we, forgive, will have those materials that are provided by our Donbass friends. To whom I personally believe. Which if they fought, it was not like some, "with one tube for three and two horns against the brigade of the rangers." Although such, too, God forbid.


And, gentlemen screamers, remember one simple thing. The Russians have already invested so much into the Russian world in the Donbas, with blood, health, work, money, help, with the words that only a traitor can speak of some kind of "plum". Both Russia and Donbass.

Russia will never “merge” the Donbass. Another question is that today Donbass itself often does a good job. With the apparent connivance of its inhabitants. Well, if there are real problems and it is difficult to talk about them - nothing, we can handle it.

There is a time to throw stones, and there is a time to collect them.
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  1. Roman1970
    Roman1970 8 December 2015 11: 00 New
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    Four hundred meter St. George’s tape, it’s necessary. Well, not at his own expense. Present. It's not for me to judge whether he is bad or good, but pulling this tape does not look very smart.
    And for me it’s so normal. A sense of patriotism is wonderful. Anything is better than the buggers parades.
    1. Vend
      Vend 8 December 2015 11: 21 New
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      And we, sorry, will have the materials that our Donbass friends provide us. That I personally believe
      This is wonderful, but my relatives say that they pay pensions, salaries too. And the military equipment is hidden from prying eyes. And in response, it works very accurately. I believe them too.
      1. PIN
        PIN 8 December 2015 11: 35 New
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        on the other hand, many quite healthy young “men” fell down from Donbass to Russia under the guise of a skirt and the protection of children, who shamelessly turn their shameless eyes off the poster “MOTHERBIRTH CALLS !!!!!!!!” !!!
        And here they, easily offended and insulted, are given citizenship, like COOKIES !!!
        And these kakby behave nehohli not at all as a guest (1000 testimonies) and not at all as asking for shelter !!!!!
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 8 December 2015 12: 51 New
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          Let them go. We need working hands in the Russian Federation. There are only 200 million of us in 4 states, and we have one and a half lard of Chinese and 125 million Japanese on our islands with gulkin fig. 80 PERCENT POPULATIONS ARE ON THIS SIDE OF THE URALS and do not really want to go somewhere to Siberia or the Far East, even if there is no work at home. At the same time, thousands of Russian people who are fleeing the war and abandoning their homes are precisely the stream that can be directed east. They only need to help settle. The development of the Far East and the Arctic are priorities for the coming years. But development is impossible without a population and workers. At the same time, over 40 million Russian people in dill. Work there is becoming less, earnings too. Thp is exactly the resource that we need - not land or industry, but people. hi
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 8 December 2015 12: 42 New
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        In my opinion, the Banshee is trying to create informational support for some upcoming event and to razeroerizirovat local authorities. What is this event - xs. Perhaps some of the local leaders will be cleaned, maybe some political processes that the Banshees have reported about from above. request We will see.
        As for the economy. Lugansk, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhya regions is a single complex of metal and coal mining and steel smelting, which accounted for up to 30 percent of Ukraine's export earnings before. Now this single complex is torn apart by the front. These parts cannot work without each other. If you break off ties with enterprises on the Ukrainian side, you can safely close the main production enterprises of the republics and fire people. If the urki will try to do without that part of the complex that is on the territory of the republics, then they can also stop the factories and fire people in Mariupol, Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhya regions. Therefore, under current conditions, the parties are doomed to smuggling and gray schemes. request Accordingly, in such schemes some amount of money is always involved, bribes, and just crime. And they know perfectly well about this, that in Moscow, that in Kiev. But no one sees another way to preserve the industry of the republics and southeast of Ukraine. Even if the armies of the republics go to the borders of their regions, you still have to cooperate with Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhya enterprises. PM dirt will be unmeasured. Well, people trying to break this system and break these ties will be stopped on both sides. Examples in my opinion are the Brain and Ukrov Tornado battalion. One tried to nationalize Alchevsk coke and amk, while the second tried to tax cargo across the front line. The results are known.
        1. I am Russian
          I am Russian 8 December 2015 17: 49 New
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          The only amendment. The tornado was reformatted in Odessa solid waste and he is again at the front.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 8 December 2015 11: 53 New
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      I can answer the questions that arise in the Donbass. If someone is shy, you can in personal correspondence.
  2. meriem1
    meriem1 8 December 2015 11: 04 New
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    Novel. Holidays on the blood, of course nonsense. Maybe to raise the spirit ??? We are not THERE and do not know everything. Although you can’t agree on something! Dancing on the bones = it's disgusting.
    1. Roman1970
      Roman1970 8 December 2015 11: 07 New
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      Quote: meriem1
      Novel. Holidays on the blood, of course nonsense. Maybe to raise the spirit ??? We are not THERE and do not know everything. Although you can’t agree on something! Dancing on the bones = it's disgusting.

      It's not about "dancing on the bones." It's about raising the spirit. It is very important.
      1. Tor5
        Tor5 8 December 2015 11: 09 New
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        "People are the same everywhere. There is an opportunity to stick to the cut - they will cut while there is an opportunity. And they will saw. Both in the DPR and in the LPR. Such is the nature of man."

        Alas, this quote best describes the situation there. We understand that.
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    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 8 December 2015 11: 59 New
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      Quote: meriem1
      Novel. Holidays on the blood, of course nonsense. Maybe to raise the spirit ??? We are not THERE and do not know everything. Although you can’t agree on something! Dancing on the bones = it's disgusting.

      A feast on the blood, this is when after a terrorist attack on a plane over Egypt, in the Siberian cities they staged a "Halloween" and dressed in the form of pilots and stewardesses.
  3. sever.56
    sever.56 8 December 2015 11: 04 New
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    Thank you Roman for the information ...
    It’s hard to read this, but it’s necessary. Always, at all times, there were heroes and villains making their "gesheft", literally, on the blood of people. But I still believe that all this “foam” will go away, even if not immediately, and the people of Donbass will still live the way he wanted when all these events began. There is no other way - they will submit, and they will face the massacre. Neither old nor small will be spared. Neo-Bandera is such a beast that their predecessors, in comparison with them, are innocent lambs ...
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 8 December 2015 17: 05 New
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      Quote: sever.56
      There is no other way - they will submit, and they will face the massacre.


      You are right, so it will be if .... And this is the “if” here, next to it, and the State Department “missionaries” are pushing and pushing him in every possible way. Biden admitted that Poroshenko is his "beloved wife", with whom he spends most of his time. Probably Petruccio is pregnant with the ideas of the State Department and is about to give birth. So that LDNR needs to be ready for this moment, the fight is already there.
      (cry.)
  4. larand
    larand 8 December 2015 11: 04 New
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    strange law of mankind - almost always not the best rule.
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 8 December 2015 11: 57 New
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      Quote: larand
      strange law of mankind - almost always not the best rule

      the best do not go into politics. do not like dirt
  5. Penetrator
    Penetrator 8 December 2015 11: 05 New
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    Thanks, Roman. Such materials are necessary and interesting.
    But I don’t quite agree with this maxim:
    People are the same everywhere. There is an opportunity to stick to the cut - they will cut while there is an opportunity. And sawing. And in the DNI, and in the LC. This is the nature of man.

    In the case of the Donbass, a Ukrainian mentality is also imposed - to drag everything that lies badly. And demand even more, because all of them should, simply in fact. And the most purebred Russian, having lived in Ukraine for a long enough time, is burnt out. And this is not a fricative “ge” for you and not a “jabber” in the conversation, it is much more difficult to get out of date. What can we say about the locals ...
    1. Bluesman
      Bluesman 8 December 2015 11: 19 New
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      Quote: Penetrator
      In the case of the Donbass, the Ukrainian mentality is still imposed

      I personally do not see much difference between the "Ukrainian" and the "non-Ukrainian" mentality. If you consider a distinctive feature
      Quote: Penetrator
      drag everything that is bad.
      then it is supranational. It could just as well be called an “Albanian,” “Russian,” or “Surinamese” mentality.
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 8 December 2015 11: 49 New
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        Quote: Bluesman
        to drag everything that is bad., it’s supranational. It could just as well be called an “Albanian,” “Russian,” or “Surinamese” mentality.

        Believe me, I know what I'm talking about, because I myself come from the Donbass. The thrust to steal something, which is usually blamed by the native Russians, is much more developed among Ukrainians and the same Russians, but living in "nenka". As well as some kind of infantilism, i.e. inability to answer for their actions and calculate their consequences. Well, an indestructible passion for freebies - this is already “out of competition” smile
        1. Bluesman
          Bluesman 8 December 2015 11: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Penetrator
          As well as some kind of infantilism, i.e. inability to answer for their actions and calculate their consequences. Well, an indestructible passion for a freebie - this is a must

          I will not argue. So, just the hohls in the last 200 years have lost their monopoly on
          Quote: Penetrator
          Thrust something to steal

          Quote: Penetrator
          some kind of infantilism

          Quote: Penetrator
          inability to answer for their actions and calculate their consequences.

          Quote: Penetrator
          indestructible passion for freebies

          laughing
          1. Penetrator
            Penetrator 8 December 2015 12: 38 New
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            Quote: Bluesman
            . So, just the hohls in the last 200 years have lost their monopoly

            Yes, they did not have any monopoly! There are simply certain traits of a national character that are more pronounced than other ethnic groups; moreover, what is considered a negative among some peoples, and valor among others. That's all. For example, no one will surpass Russian gouging (well, except maybe the Africans). And what? We are proud of him! laughing So the Ukrainians "breathe" with their cunning, and in our country such behavior is considered redneck. I hope clearly explained?
            1. Bluesman
              Bluesman 8 December 2015 13: 15 New
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              Quote: Penetrator
              I hope clearly explained?

              quite. Especially about
              Quote: Penetrator
              Russian gouging. And what? We are proud of him!
              1. severniy
                severniy 8 December 2015 13: 59 New
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                Quote: Penetrator
                Ukrainian mentality - to drag everything that is bad.

                I also do not quite agree, but what is a proverb:
                when a crest was born, a Jew burst into tears
                It is a fact... laughing
                1. Penetrator
                  Penetrator 8 December 2015 14: 38 New
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                  Quote: severniy
                  when a crest was born, a Jew burst into tears

                  Well, yes, and also "where a crest with a fishing rod passed. There is nothing for a Jew to do" Well, and any other crap like that, which Ukrainians amuse their huge ChSV. In fact, a Jewish joke describes such a relationship between a Jew and a Khokhl: “Slut, who is Ukrainian? - He’s the kind of Russian who thinks he can cheat (in the original, another synonym laughing ) Jew. "This is what we are observing in present-day Ukraine. A person in power is of a completely non-titular nationality and with passports of another country. And the Ukrainians are happy ...
                  1. Bluesman
                    Bluesman 8 December 2015 15: 52 New
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                    Quote: Penetrator
                    This is what we are observing in today's Ukraine. The person in power is of a completely non-titular nationality and with passports of another country. And Ukrainians at the same time rejoice ...

                    in principle - the modern realities of xoxlov, packed in two lines))) Plus)
        2. Sorokin
          Sorokin 8 December 2015 12: 29 New
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          I agree to all 1000%. He was convinced in the army, and while working in the police, and what is more regrettable in dealing with his Relatives, which I will not refuse. But they have it. They were not brought up in the Urals. This is not the land of hc rains and evergreen tomatoes. They were brought up like that for 4 generations.
          1. AUL
            AUL 8 December 2015 18: 04 New
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            They do not steal because they need it, but "Schaub BulO."
  6. starwars
    starwars 8 December 2015 11: 08 New
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    "Unique shots of a night battle. Night shelling of the Wide Beam, view from positions near Ozeryanovka. All day long, gunfights were fired in the Ozeryanovka area, fighting intensified after dark, the Armed Forces of the Broad Beam worked with heavy artillery and MLRS

    Andrei Filatov: “There was a strong battle in Shirokoy Balka. I am on Ozeryanovka. There is a hard mix in Shirokoy Balka area. The glow from the arrivals of heavy caliber barrel artillery, mortars, and ags is on the horizon. We have night shootings using ags and heavy machine guns.” [ media = http: //vk.com/video-57424472_171703202? list = 4044151984d43
    6a22d]
    1. feokot1982
      feokot1982 8 December 2015 13: 06 New
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      You read the message and become terribly, himself from Novorossiysk, near the city there is a wide beam and an Ozereyka ...
      1. severniy
        severniy 8 December 2015 14: 01 New
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        Quote: feokot1982
        You read the message and become terribly, himself from Novorossiysk, near the city there is a wide beam and an Ozereyka ...

        Yes, the harmony is still ...
        PySy greetings from Anapa. hi
  7. Baloo
    Baloo 8 December 2015 11: 09 New
    +4
    Good is good. Most of us, of course, worry about the Donbass and we need the truth, not beautiful pictures. hi
  8. victorrat
    victorrat 8 December 2015 11: 11 New
    +2
    I think this article is correct. We are glad to hear where the militias win, we are glad that they can answer the junta, there are weapons and fighters, we are glad to see the ruble going to the DPR and Lugansk People's Republic, humanitarian convoys leaving from Moscow because they have already stopped collecting them in cities. Everyone hopes in Russia that Donbass is almost ours.
    But these facts are present. And someone should do this. After all, I won’t believe that a “follower” was not appointed in Moscow.
    Of course, it’s impossible to keep up with every thief, although they know them all.)))
    And holidays are needed, here the author is wrong. And especially during the war. Checked by time.
    1. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 8 December 2015 11: 59 New
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      Quote: victorrat
      And holidays are needed, here the author is wrong. And especially during the war. Checked by time.


      I respect the author, but I absolutely disagree with the statement “dances on blood”
  9. Indifferent
    Indifferent 8 December 2015 11: 15 New
    +1
    It would be ridiculous to think that in the absence of a well-functioning state system, everything will be fine there. And the people in Ukraine are the same, on the right, on the left.
    Hope for the elections and the advent of adequate power, which will finally work. And in this case, it will take more than one year.
    I mean the DNI.
  10. Massik
    Massik 8 December 2015 11: 16 New
    +1
    To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear? Everyone survives as he can and says what he wants and what is enough for the spirit. But people are judged not by conversations, but by their deeds.
    Here are many of Strelkov’s hardships, he’s so bad, he says everything is bad, he doesn’t like and caress the “good guy”.
    Comrades forum users! When this man organized a militia from a crowd of men, defended Slavyansk, and then personally contributed to the creation of the Army, you were ready to carry it in your arms at that time and this is his CASE. Not some empty chatter, but already part of the story. I think there is no need to explain that if the commander is crappy, then at least what kind of unit he has really will not do anything.
    I think the analogy with the author of the article is easy to draw.
    1. Riv
      Riv 8 December 2015 11: 37 New
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      There is one caveat. Strelkov was, as it were, the Minister of Defense of the Republic. Have you seen the movie "Capturing"? Where is the commander? That's it ... If the Minister of Defense personally commands a paramilitary force, then what the hell is the Minister?
      1. Massik
        Massik 8 December 2015 11: 48 New
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        What was the size of this very formation ??? How many of the minister’s subordinates had at least an initial military?
        1. Riv
          Riv 8 December 2015 12: 05 New
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          Not just had. More than once or twice I had to read that the officers held the positions of shooters (hmmm ... pun, however). And if Strelkov himself does not lie, then under his command there were about a thousand people.

          Strelkova is generally amusing to listen to someone who knows how to compare facts and notice contradictions. In a recent interview (with the Goblin it seems), he complained that Donetsk was not prepared for defense. Maybe. But he himself, being the Minister of Defense, is responsible for this. He also loves to scold Borody, Pushilin and others, in droves. If he had an almost full-blooded regiment, then why didn’t he take half the people, didn’t come to Donetsk and arrest this Beard? Just based on "who are you?" And the fact is the fact: some success with the militia became apparent only after Strelkov’s resignation.
  11. BLOND
    BLOND 8 December 2015 11: 22 New
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    to whom war, and to whom mother is dear ...
    Alas, it always has been and always will be - in troubled times, many adventurers come to the top and want to cut the dough quickly
    This is the reality and pain of Little Russia - it seems to be Russian territory and, while legally Ukrainian, A de facto new state
    The people in the Donbass with great desire would go on the "Crimean version", but so far ...
    1. BLOND
      BLOND 8 December 2015 11: 24 New
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      And you need to write ALL and the good and the bad about twice as much!
      At the expense of ribbons and holidays I do not agree with the author, although article +
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  12. Rock_n_roll
    Rock_n_roll 8 December 2015 11: 25 New
    +4
    And what to write about the Donbass? In my opinion, everything is very clear, Donbass did not rise to the war with the junta, those wishing to fight less than 10 percent. What else can I say. Everyone wants to live well, most for Russia, but no one wants to fight, Russia must fight for them. This does not happen.
    1. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 8 December 2015 15: 52 New
      +1
      And the taxes to Ukraine do not want to work either ... As the dependents were, so they remained ... It's sad all this!
  13. user3970
    user3970 8 December 2015 11: 28 New
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    Roman, what did the US State Department send Surkov to Novorossia? And who arranged friendship with Akhmetov? And let's not pretend to be fools. If necessary, all of the manure would have been cleared by the forces of Moscow long ago, and no one would have been asked. Conclusion: this state of affairs suits Moscow.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 8 December 2015 12: 43 New
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      One question. And what, have we, in Russia, cleaned up all the manure?
  14. azesm
    azesm 8 December 2015 11: 29 New
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    Donbass today
    http://dnr.narodedin.com/
    http://lnr.narodedin.com/
  15. Mihail55
    Mihail55 8 December 2015 11: 30 New
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    Thank you, Roman, for the truth! The only thing that’s bad, what a good example our power holders can set ...
    Refrain ... PEOPLES! Is this possible in today's world? The oligarchs rule everywhere, the rest envy and climb heads higher and higher ...
  16. pts-m
    pts-m 8 December 2015 11: 30 New
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    to be the first in the ranks is always more noticeable, but there are even more all kinds of “accidents”. any individual chooses his place in this theater of life.
  17. V.ic
    V.ic 8 December 2015 11: 33 New
    +1
    Behind the keyboard it is easy to be a hero; a person is known by his deeds. To the author of this article = I BELIEVE. I believe = organizing assistance to Russians living on Russian lands, which overnight became "Ukraine" at the behest of Christ sellers. Go, minis!
  18. Riv
    Riv 8 December 2015 11: 34 New
    -2
    I have a rich imagination of an affiliate, as I see ... In fact, in the DPR, the parliament is fully operational, laws are passed (there are even laws on protecting consumer rights), the army has proved its resilience, and even industry is working. And that 40 people came to the rally in defense of Purgin, so this shows the level of his popularity, right? That’s the trouble of Ukrainians of traditional orientation. They first do, and then think. The author named number 40, but did not think about what she was talking about.

    In general, something in his life does not work out that way. Poor, unhappy, everyone throws him, bred him as they want ... The environment is to blame, of course. He is not like that, people like that. I read, as they say, and cried. However, I believe that still the problem is in himself.

    As for "all Russians" ... Donbass is alive? Is alive. And he will live, God will give. And this means that basically "all Russians" are doing their job right.
  19. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 8 December 2015 11: 36 New
    +3
    But I agree with the author on all points of this article!
    Bravo!!! And thanks!
  20. Rock_n_roll
    Rock_n_roll 8 December 2015 11: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: Karjala
    Putin does not need

    And you?
  21. radogost
    radogost 8 December 2015 11: 57 New
    +1
    War Brothers is a TROUBLE !!!
  22. RPG_
    RPG_ 8 December 2015 12: 00 New
    +1
    To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear (s)
  23. Mitrich76
    Mitrich76 8 December 2015 12: 08 New
    +2
    Roman, thanks for the objectivity. And the right question. The fact is that any person can operate only with the information that he receives. All manipulators are using this public opinion. Including on our forum.
    More objective information is the only way to correctly assess events.
  24. press officer
    press officer 8 December 2015 12: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: Riv
    There is one caveat. Strelkov was, as it were, the Minister of Defense of the Republic. Have you seen the movie "Capturing"? Where is the commander? That's it ... If the Minister of Defense personally commands a paramilitary force, then what the hell is the Minister?



    Yes, he just assigned himself to this place .. no because he is not a minister .. yes Yes, and he was never ...
  25. Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 December 2015 12: 30 New
    +4
    I decided to speak out too.
    1. During the war in Leningrad, there were also concerts, it is impossible for the dead to grab the feet of the living. Even in the most terrible conditions there was love and laughter, and not because they did not give a damn, but because they were alive.
    2. Well, about the crooks and all kinds of creatures, always during the war all the foam rises up, not only in the gateways, but also with ties and power. You just need to control the process, for this there is Zakharchenko, his people, local security, such commanders as Givi, Motorola (which is well known) and tens and hundreds of others who did not spare their lives. And you need to squeeze these freaks, it does not matter whether local or Russian. Well, and about those who hid in Russia or in Oyrop, because when the war is over, you will pass the relevant laws, you were hiding - so sorry comrade, there is nothing for you to do in the government and in the civil service. This is already an internal political process. Something like this.
  26. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 8 December 2015 12: 43 New
    0
    It was, it was all already. We saw this in both Chechnya and Afghanistan. Someone fought, someone made money. Shamelessly and brazenly, under the guise of high patrons. Yes, and I saw different dugouts, unpretentious from shell boxes and rich from dismantled houses and lined with expensive carpets and littered with expensive household appliances. Someone was traveling from the war together with the soldiers in a common carriage, and someone was in the SV compartment with women and gypsies. That was all. And unfortunately it will always be.
  27. _Evgeny_
    _Evgeny_ 8 December 2015 12: 54 New
    +7
    In each article about Donbass I see comments like "Donbass did not rise to war with the junta ...", "those who want to fight less than 10 percent", "the entire army of New Russia is 50 thousand, and the rest are sitting on the stove", etc. Comrade analysts ... do you even have any kind of logical thinking ??? 50 thousand are Regular troops, which are kept on the balance sheet of the state. This is the necessary minimum to contain the first blow. This is 50 thousand mouths that need to be fed every day, this is 50 thousand people who need to be dressed and shod. These are 50 thousand families who live on the salary of the father (husband, son), which needs to be paid regularly. In today's realities of the economy of Donbass, even 50 thousand of the regular army are an achievement. In early spring, the number of armed forces reached 90 thousand people (not counting the mobilization reserve), but to maintain such an army during a period of permanent hostilities is simply not realistic for us. So think about it before writing another comment under the article on the DPR.
    1. I am Russian
      I am Russian 8 December 2015 18: 14 New
      0
      I will add. I already wrote that there is no rear. Yes pay "salary" to fighters. BUT .. food is sometimes bought on the front lines in stores. The commanders say, "They pay you money." I talked with the “humanitarian worker” from the OD “Novorossiya”, says there was a case when we arrived at the checkpoint with a load, and they tried to unload us. Well, I had to say "run over". Missed nothing.
      The Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of State Security should work with "This." But since the top are engaged in the struggle for their own well-being, they do not care about raids.
      I note that in Moscow the processes associated precisely with the establishment of LDNR as independent states and the formation of the Republic of New Russia deliberately slow down. Instead, "Minsk" and humanitarian convoys.
      We need to talk about problems, not forgetting about making decisions to address them. hi
  28. Shura Cell
    Shura Cell 8 December 2015 13: 18 New
    -3
    Quote: PIN
    on the other hand, many completely healthy young “men” fell down from Donbass to Russia under the guise of a skirt and the protection of children, who shamelessly turn their shameless eyes away from the poster “MOTHER MOTHER CALLS !!!!!!!!” !!! And here they are, it’s easy, how offended and insulted they distribute citizenship, like COOKIES !!! And these kakby behave nehohli not at all as a guest (1000 certificates) and not at all as asking for shelter !!!!!

    The wildest nonsense ... As I put on my belt I’m dumb and dumb ...
  29. Shura Cell
    Shura Cell 8 December 2015 13: 22 New
    0
    Quote: _Evgeny_
    In each article about Donbass I see comments like "Donbass did not rise to war with the junta ...", "those who want to fight less than 10 percent", "the entire army of New Russia is 50 thousand, and the rest are sitting on the stove", etc. Comrade analysts ... do you even have any kind of logical thinking ??? 50 thousand are Regular troops, which are kept on the balance sheet of the state. This is the necessary minimum to contain the first blow. This is 50 thousand mouths that need to be fed every day, this is 50 thousand people who need to be dressed and shod. These are 50 thousand families who live on the salary of the father (husband, son), which needs to be paid regularly. In today's realities of the economy of Donbass, even 50 thousand of the regular army are an achievement. In early spring, the number of armed forces reached 90 thousand people (not counting the mobilization reserve), but to maintain such an army during a period of permanent hostilities is simply not realistic for us. So think about it before writing another comment under the article on the DPR.

    Thinking this is too hard. It is easier to receive and pass target designations.
  30. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 8 December 2015 13: 27 New
    +2
    Is it worth it to pay attention to the stupid remarks of dear readers, since they can write heresy every minute! So, what is now more likely to write answers for every mistake? As they say, only the grave will straighten the hunchback, or time will cure. Donbass lives, nothing has changed yet. It’s very hard for them, Russia is helping. It is necessary to buy time. That's all.
    1. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 8 December 2015 16: 05 New
      +2
      And taxes to Ukraine, and non-working enterprises that could work, and Makhnovism, and civil strife in the government, how can this be compensated for with the help of Russia?
      1. Alexl
        Alexl 8 December 2015 16: 55 New
        +1
        And where would the enterprises deliver their products if they were not registered in Ukraine?
      2. I am Russian
        I am Russian 8 December 2015 18: 20 New
        0
        Quote: TBM - 75
        And taxes to Ukraine, and non-working enterprises that could work, and Makhnovism, and civil strife in the government, how can this be compensated for with the help of Russia?


        Not just humconvoys.
        Make a decision on the introduction of the financial system of New Russia.
        On the part of Russia - to open the market, to allow enterprises to enter the economic zone of the Russian Federation.
        This requires the political will of the leadership.
  31. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 December 2015 13: 30 New
    +1
    Good article. Roman, Sith, write more.
    It’s life, not stories about songs and dances,
    we’ll watch it on TV.
  32. Shura Cell
    Shura Cell 8 December 2015 13: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Ros 56
    Well, as for the crooks and all kinds of creatures, always during the war all the foam rises up, not only in the gateways, but also with ties and power. You just need to control the process, for this there is Zakharchenko, his people, local security, such commanders as Givi, Motorola (which is well known) and tens and hundreds of others who did not spare their lives. And you need to squeeze these freaks, it does not matter whether local or Russian. Well, and about those who hid in Russia or in Oyrop, because when the war is over, you will pass the relevant laws, you were hiding - so sorry comrade, there is nothing for you to do in the government and in the civil service. This is already an internal political process. Something like this.

    Do you think coal columns and humanitarian aid disappearing nowhere exist without Zakharchenko’s knowledge? When a person has nothing to lose, then he can be sent to the war and forced to do many more obscure things. And as soon as a person has the one to whom he is responsible, he begins to think about the welfare of himself and his loved ones. The material principle, unlike the spiritual one, plays a rather large role in our life ... Therefore, the more power and opportunity, the higher the appetite and desire. Because it corrupts power ... Few people give up the temptation to use their position to amend their material situation.
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  34. Shura Cell
    Shura Cell 8 December 2015 13: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: Mitrich76
    Roman, thanks for the objectivity. And the right question. The fact is that any person can operate only with the information that he receives. All manipulators are using this public opinion. Including on our forum. More objective information is the only way to correctly assess events.

    Hehe ... Everyone sees only what he wants to see. And he hears only what he wants to hear. That is, within their complexes. And the fact that it does not fit into the stamps and templates, he rejects. And no matter what objective information you submit, the result will be see a little higher ...
  35. Milana
    Milana 8 December 2015 13: 40 New
    0
    Author Roman Skomorokhov.
    Thank you, Roman!
    How, after all, I idealized the militias, it turns out ...
  36. Shura Cell
    Shura Cell 8 December 2015 13: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Karjala
    What kind of sink can we talk about? Legally LDNR is included in Ukraine. And the war of independence turned into a war for special status. They were not leaked, they simply were not told what they were used for. And they were needed to ensure the gas-energy-water supply of Kym. Well, for transport links with the Crimea and, if possible, PMR. But without the Zaporizhzhya, Kherson and Odessa people's republics, the DPR and LPR are not needed for Putin

    Putin generally does not need Ukraine. Under no sauce ... And it's not about gas supply ...
    The point is in the Sevetsky Donets ... Having poisoned the water in it with shale gas production, look at the map which region will become unsuitable for housing ... And why no one wants to notice the obvious ...
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  38. Shura Cell
    Shura Cell 8 December 2015 14: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Rock_n_Roll
    And what to write about the Donbass? In my opinion, everything is very clear, Donbass did not rise to the war with the junta, those wishing to fight less than 10 percent. What else can I say. Everyone wants to live well, most for Russia, but no one wants to fight, Russia must fight for them. This does not happen.

    Shouldn't Russia fight? And who else? Who protects his territory from turning it into a desert? Donbass? Why, you say ... Look at Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. And where is the fierce desire to get rid of the Ukrainian junta? Why are refugees from Slavyansk and Kramatorsk still sitting in Russia on the social? Have not you thought? And you think. Thinking is sometimes helpful. Only the poor can be forced to fight, having taken everything from them. Or the rich who will defend their interests. But the rich usually do not fight on their own, but simpletons who brainwashed and stuffed patriotism into their skulls fight for them ... And these patriots are ready to kill each other while protecting their puppeteers.
  39. Shura Cell
    Shura Cell 8 December 2015 14: 16 New
    0
    Quote: g1v2
    Let them go. We need working hands in the Russian Federation. There are only 200 million of us in 4 states, and we have one and a half lard of Chinese and 125 million Japanese on our islands with gulkin fig. 80 PERCENT POPULATIONS ARE ON THIS SIDE OF THE URALS and do not really want to go somewhere to Siberia or the Far East, even if there is no work at home. At the same time, thousands of Russian people who are fleeing the war and abandoning their homes are precisely the stream that can be directed east. They only need to help settle. The development of the Far East and the Arctic are priorities for the coming years. But development is impossible without a population and workers. At the same time, over 40 million Russian people in dill. Work there is becoming less, earnings too. Thp is exactly the resource that we need - not land or industry, but people.

    ABOUT! This is all wonderful! However ... Do you want to change the hot summer to not very hot?
    In order for this flow to settle beyond the Urals, efforts must be made to this, as you said .... And when, instead of efforts, cuts, kickbacks and laundering take place, then those who wish to relocate come with a gulkin nose ... And they left with nothing at home will want to exchange for the same emptiness in a new place? Do you need a human resource? What about the earth? Let Europe remain under rape and sunflower?
  40. Shura Cell
    Shura Cell 8 December 2015 14: 16 New
    0
    Quote: g1v2
    Let them go. We need working hands in the Russian Federation. There are only 200 million of us in 4 states, and we have one and a half lard of Chinese and 125 million Japanese on our islands with gulkin fig. 80 PERCENT POPULATIONS ARE ON THIS SIDE OF THE URALS and do not really want to go somewhere to Siberia or the Far East, even if there is no work at home. At the same time, thousands of Russian people who are fleeing the war and abandoning their homes are precisely the stream that can be directed east. They only need to help settle. The development of the Far East and the Arctic are priorities for the coming years. But development is impossible without a population and workers. At the same time, over 40 million Russian people in dill. Work there is becoming less, earnings too. Thp is exactly the resource that we need - not land or industry, but people.

    ABOUT! This is all wonderful! However ... Do you want to change the hot summer to not very hot?
    In order for this flow to settle beyond the Urals, efforts must be made to this, as you said .... And when, instead of efforts, cuts, kickbacks and laundering take place, then those who wish to relocate come with a gulkin nose ... And they left with nothing at home will want to exchange for the same emptiness in a new place? Do you need a human resource? What about the earth? Let Europe remain under rape and sunflower?
  41. Shura Cell
    Shura Cell 8 December 2015 14: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: PIN
    on the other hand, many completely healthy young “men” fell down from Donbass to Russia under the guise of a skirt and the protection of children, who shamelessly turn their shameless eyes away from the poster “MOTHER MOTHER CALLS !!!!!!!!” !!! And here they are, it’s easy, how offended and insulted they distribute citizenship, like COOKIES !!! And these kakby behave nehohli not at all as a guest (1000 certificates) and not at all as asking for shelter !!!!!

    Lots of pluses ... Is there really so much soldier
    WHO WILL TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE CONTENT OF THE WIFE AND CHILDREN OF THAT WARRIOR WHO WILL SEND TO OCOPES TO DONBASS ??
    Or further blah blah blah will only be tongue deep in the ass?
    Before sending someone to the trenches ... Answer your question. Are you personally ready to send your father or son to the trenches? Are you personally ready to support his wife and children, relatives? Or you are driven by ANYTHING DO NOT KNOW MY HUT FROM THE EDGE. Let them fight there themselves and not bother me with their demands and claims ...
    The bureaucratic machine requires a lot of strength and energy to overcome the obstacles it creates. Therefore, if you do not demand anything from officials and bureaucrats, you will not get anything. People who abandoned their broken home and who fled with what they carried away in their hands require attention and care and adaptation in society. And for this they need at least work and housing. Or do you hope that they are like the Chinese? Will they work for a bowl of rice and sleep on the mat? Well, swap places with them. Business then a penny ...
    1. twviewer
      twviewer 8 December 2015 15: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Shura Cell
      How many pluses ...

      Why so surprising? what you described is called flight. As for housing, in Russia capitalism and free housing are given only to military and orphans. Or rob them ?!
      The whole story with Ukraine more and more reminds farce. Hitherto, someone silently menacingly silent in the bushes, with a terrible cry of bruising, suddenly tore off his hat (Crimea) from the booze, and just as quickly rushed off into the bushes. Total and business.
    2. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 8 December 2015 16: 14 New
      +2
      The patriots defended their homeland, and therefore did not ask their family, but what will I have for this? You, dear, the concepts of priorities have gone astray in the direction of freebies.
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 8 December 2015 20: 46 New
      0
      Shura, something you dear broke loose. And during the war the question is different, to live or not to live. And no one sent the Russians to the Donbass, but died for Ukraine. And even more so the local, sent the family out of the bullets, fight for your house, do not look back.
      And the second, if you know the history of the USSR a little, then Yakov Dzhugashvili, Sergey Khrushchev, Vasily Stalin, Timur Frunze, Vladimir and Stepan Mikoyan fought not in the rear of the pope in orderlies, but on the most advanced. And they perished. And they were not a couple of the current “golden” youth, who, without hitting a finger on a finger, have everything they want at the expense of their parents. But no one can blame their high-ranking parents. I can recall the French from Normandy-Niemen. We would sit in southern France, but sipped wine. By the way, there were among them both barons and counts. So, if you don’t understand anything in life, don’t fuck up rubbish.
  42. pentarhist
    pentarhist 8 December 2015 14: 54 New
    0
    "Non-sacred" climb into the loop.
    http://ua-katarsis.livejournal.com/201392.html

    Since the topic of Ukraine and the Donbass “flooded” with Putin has gradually left the media, I want to talk a little about the existence of “non-sacred” ones. Of those whom Putin vowed to defend, and his brave officers with a White Guard mustache, and as a result commit suicide, from a hopeless nightmare. Peaceful life is destroyed, and there is no hope of returning.
    "The tragedy of this family cannot be indifferent.
    ...
  43. pentarhist
    pentarhist 8 December 2015 14: 58 New
    0
    "Million Ukrainian refugees - new citizens of Russia or outcasts?"
    http://olegrozanov.ru/aktualnye-materialy/147-million-ukrainskikh-bezhentsev-nov
    ye-grazhdane-rossii-ili-otverzhennye
    1. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 8 December 2015 16: 19 New
      +2
      They are different. Some are ready to work and earn money. Many expect freebie to get closer to the capital and parasitize for help. And they don’t want to work at all.
  44. Valentine
    Valentine 8 December 2015 15: 33 New
    +4
    Milana
    That's for this, dear Milana, this little article is written so that you, as you yourself wrote, like many others, disbelieve in the militias, in the DPR, in NEW RUSSIA. The main thing is to quietly, but slowly and surely, to pour mud on what was death and blood, in battles with the junta, obtained by the RUSSIAN people of Donbass.
    The people who live in Russia, breathe Russia, hope for Russia, there’s nowhere else to wait for help from him .... The author, in his article, as in the previous one, tries to humiliate the people of Donbass, convince everyone, and convinces, judging by the comments that in Donbass everything is very bad, there are all crooks, thieves and crooks, that one rabble is fighting there without a clan and tribe, and they are fighting only for their own benefit ...
    Yes, they have one “benefit”, to protect and free their lands from Ukrainian Nazis, so that their families always live in peace and tranquility, and live as one family with Russia. This is their “BENEFIT” and DREAM, and to understand this, you need to be with them under shelling and bombing in damp and cold basements, without food, water and food, to sit in the trenches and dugouts with them, to repel the attacks of frenzied Bandera and burnt mercenaries from
    "friendly" countries, you need to see with your own eyes the killed and crippled old people, women and children, before yelling at the long-suffering RUSSIAN Donbass .... And the bombing, and the shelling, and the killed, and the healed, I saw and experienced all this on myself. And I also saw the formation of Nazi Ukraine with my own eyes, since August 1991, although it started much earlier. There, then, it started here with the same "innocent" statues, little by little, pebble by pebble, they wrote, collected ethnic war. Guys, think to whom you express gratitude for such articles, then it will be too late.
    1. Milana
      Milana 9 December 2015 09: 04 New
      0
      Thank you, Valentine, for your comment.
      I didn’t write that I disbelieved. I wrote about idealization. And these are two different things.
      But in the war, as always: to whom is war, and to whom is mother dear.
      The fact that they pay taxes to Ukraine surprised me for a long time, and now it is not clear. The explanations on this issue were also inarticulate. Old people are not paid a pension, and entrepreneurs regularly pay taxes to the Ukrainian treasury.
      Strange and incomprehensible.
      We have friends who have been there during the hottest time. Therefore, I have some idea about this war.
      The novel did not write about everyone, but about some that are always found in all wars.
      And this does not detract from the feat of those who are worth to death.
      Thank you for your comment. I agree with your every word.
      Best regards
      Milan.
      1. Valentine
        Valentine 9 December 2015 11: 17 New
        0
        Milone
        Dear Milona! You are incorrectly informed. From 1st
        April this year, all social benefits-pensions, regression, child benefits, etc. paid in full and on time by the Republican National Bank of the DPR. And all, I emphasize-ALL, taxes go only through the same bank, and not to Ukraine. In Donbass, even during shelling, they restore destroyed housing, schools, hospitals, kindergartens. Asphalt roads , restore the destroyed railway message. People
        they stood and will stand to their death for their land, for their families, for their homeland, and no articles of any kind of buffoons can prevent it .... The writing style of this article reminds me very much of the article
        one more "all-crawler" -El-Murid, if only it is not the same person. Find and read them, there are a lot of "good" and "good" you can learn about
        the formation of the DNI. All the best to you!
        1. Milana
          Milana 10 December 2015 02: 38 New
          0



          Posted on: 9 Dec 2015
  45. pentarhist
    pentarhist 8 December 2015 15: 52 New
    +2
    ... I would like to return to the conceptual apparatus. If we are talking about a refugee, then this is the legal status of a person who acquires it due to some extreme circumstances. In Russian legislation there are clear concepts: a political refugee, refugee, temporary asylum, as well as a participant in the "Compatriot" and "Russian native speaker" programs. The status of a “political refugee” is not suitable for Ukrainians, because it is clearly written in Russian law: the status of a “political refugee” can only be acquired by a citizen from a country with which Russia does not have an agreement on a visa-free regime. These are the requirements. Therefore, Ukrainians who fled here from Kiev from political repression or even released from the basements of the SBU to exchange prisoners cannot claim the status of a “political refugee”. According to Russian law, they can acquire refugee status.

    The status of “refugee” differs from the status of “temporary refuge” in that in the status of “refugee” a person left the territory of Ukraine for political reasons. This is prescribed by law. If we talk about the status of “temporary refuge”, then this status is acquired by those people who left the territory of Ukraine due to economic, social and humanitarian problems, etc. If we talk about labor migrants, these are the people who, when crossing the border, wrote to their migration card that they were going to work here, this was a prerequisite, and they were required to obtain a patent in order to get a job here. That is, we studied these legal nuances, and we would like to distinguish between people who came from Ukraine on the basis of legal concepts and call them those conceptual names that are spelled out in Russian legislation. And if we call any person who has left Ukraine a “refugee”, then we narrow down the range of issues and problems that concern people.

    I would divide them into several categories / groups: these are people who really fall under the category of “refugee”, if a person has left the territory of Ukraine recently due to the situation in Ukraine: military, socio-economic. These are “labor migrants” who constantly came here and continue to come, and I would also single out a separate category of people who fall under the program “Native Speakers of the Russian Language” and “Compatriots”. I would like to return to this topic separately, because in this case, the legislator determined that people who were born on the territory of Russia have the right to acquire Russian citizenship automatically. We have studied this issue, and I can say that there is a constitutional decision and interpretation of the constitutional court of Russia from 2005, which suggests that a person who did not renounce citizenship of Russia or the USSR in 1991 was born in Russia, has the right to obtain a passport of a citizen of Russia. But in practice, this rule does not work. The FMS is silent about this form of law, which enables people born in Russia to acquire Russian citizenship.
    .
    http://olegrozanov.ru/aktualnye-materialy/147-million-ukrainskikh-bezhentsev-nov
    ye-grazhdane-rossii-ili-otverzhennye
  46. Alexl
    Alexl 8 December 2015 16: 51 New
    0
    Strelkovsky-Muridov ears from the article stick out. Everything there is bad for the author. Even the late Brain. He alone, the author, is white and fluffy, and he alone knows how to fight and build a peaceful life and domestic economy in parallel with the war. It's disgusting to read.
  47. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 8 December 2015 22: 19 New
    0
    Donbass support in various possible ways. If you recall the development of the USSR after the revolution, then 1918 is significantly different from 1924 or from 1940.
    So is the Russian Federation ---- everyone knows how different they were from each other over the years.
    In the same way, the republics will follow the path of transformation.
    Help and support as needed.
  48. Parkan
    Parkan 8 December 2015 23: 34 New
    0
    The author expressively asks: “Russia didn’t come up with laws that are openly“ laid down. ”Russia didn’t come up with exactly the kind of elections that took place in the DPR. When the deputies went on lists already from two parties, and now voters don’t know who to run to. Therefore that voted do not understand for whom. " - who? Who had the most influence on the processes within the DNI? Who removed the less active and ideological fighters from there, who proposed nominating Plotnitsky and Zakharchenko? Who killed Brain, removed Strelkov, Bezler, the Bad Soldier, who allowed Purgin to be removed? You for whom people are holding here, for the suckers of the latter? Yes, these two in the Kremlin agreed as comfortable and complaisant - this is their main advantage, but the fact that at least one steals is normal, but this is normal - NOT NORM - but just one of the reasons for the lack of progress. And do not talk about the autonomy of processes in the DNI and LC! After all, Moscow may, if something goes wrong, shut off the supply, as she blackmailed Strelkov, so she could put anyone in her place now. And since in Moscow the towers are rotten, then it’s only rotten under them and something can exist. The fish rots from the head.
  49. Milana
    Milana 10 December 2015 04: 06 New
    0

    Intelligence: Igor Ivanov on the problems of the militia and the war with Russia
    Dmitry Puchkov
    0:30 - about how I got into the militia
    9:00 - about leaving Strelkov Slavyansk
    17:00 - about the units of the essence of time and Kurginyan
    27:00 - a little discussion about the history of Russia in general and the USSR in particular
    33:00 - about idealist militias, high-profile killings and the difference between 2014 and 2015
    35:32 - about Russia and the "war on two fronts"
    46:30 - about the help of New Russia
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