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"Where did the Rus come from?"

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The Nestor Chronicler at one time asked himself the question “Where did the Russian land come from?” And he answered it quite clearly, starting the countdown from the biblical Japheth (Yapet), son of Noah, then “according to the same history” (a very important aspect, time ", that is история Russian people has more than one millennium) placed Russia in the Balkans, in Norik on the Danube and then gradually brought it to modern habitats. Japheth is considered one of the pioneers of mankind, generally Caucasians (the white race) and Indo-Aryans.


An interesting fact is that Nestor (one of the authors of The Tale of Bygone Years) at the beginning of his work defined the history not of the Rus state, but of the people who wore many names in their historical development and later created the Russian state. However, in the “classic” version of history, which replaces the true history of the Russian people (the super-ethnos of the Rus), they prefer to see only the history of one of the later Russian state formations - “Rus” of Rurik, Oleg and Igor (Novgorod and Kievan Rus). We, as new facts emerge and trickle-through about the history of the Russians, now we understand that the ethnic people are sometimes more durable than other states and the most powerful empires. Only in the official version of the story we already see several large-scale state and even design changes. This is the “old Russian” empire of Rurikovich, and a period of fragmentation with the gradual shift of the passionary, spiritual and political core of Russia to the northeast, and the revived empire of Ivan the Terrible with the merging of Russia and the Horde, and the kingdom, and then the Romanov empire, and the Soviet civilization, and Russian Federation. The state is changing, but its civilizational, state-forming core is the former - Russian super-ethnos.

Given that history (chronology) is, along with ideology, the leading factor that determines the present and future of civilization, statehood and people, it is necessary to radically change the perception of our past, including the history of all mankind. A state program is needed to study the true history of the Russian superethnos (Rus). The refusal of the installations, which the West imposed on us, on the “secondary importance”, “inferiority” of the Russians, who are supposedly the outskirts of European civilization and “spoiled” by the Asiatic. It is necessary to realize that history is a part of geopolitics, the Big Game for leadership on the planet. As long as we follow other people's attitudes and do not have “our own” history (and, accordingly, politics), we are doomed to failure.

We are obliged to put the question: "where did the Rus come from?" Most often, the “classical” science leaves the direct answer to such questions and reports: “From that year (century) when a written mention of a given people appears, then we can start counting its history.” Interestingly, this approach does not apply to all nations. But on the Russian and Slavs applies. Typical double standards. We have to remember that “written references” and sources are a subjective category, and an ethnos people is absolutely objective, existing regardless of whether they mention it or not.

Modern science has methods to get to the roots of any, even the most ancient people. The combination of archeology, anthropology, linguistics, ethnology, comparative myth analysis, toponymy, genetics and other special disciplines allows us to do this with a high degree of certainty. And sometimes the results can be shocking. So, during the time of the Third Reich, the Nazis were actively searching for the roots of the most ancient origin of the Germans. In particular, archaeological excavations were carried out in the Germans' residences, which were considered the basis of history, the spirit of the nation. As a result, they found out that Berlin, like other "Old German" cities, stands on the site of Slav-Russian settlements, and the whole of Germany is based on the ashes of the Slavic civilization of Central Europe, which was destroyed with fire and sword. It turned out that the Slavs and Russians, whom the Nazi ideologues wrote down in the "subhumans" and planned to "clean up", have a more ancient history than the Germans, and closer to the legendary Aryans, who became the founders of several existing and already dead civilizations of Eurasia (Russian, European Indian, Iranian, etc.). The latest studies show that the current Germans are largely assimilated, “Germanized” Slavs, Russ.

According to a similar scheme, "ancient ukrov" is now being created in Malorussia-Ukraine. The true history of the Rus superethnos is mixed with the nonsense of the Ukrainian spill, they get the "ancient history" of Ukraine. In addition, as with the Nazis, the masters of the West solve the most important task: the true history of the Aryans and Rus is discredited. In particular, they discredit and demonize the most ancient symbols of the Aryans and Rus - the swastika-solstice, trident-trident. The idea of ​​the most ancient ancestral homeland of the Aryan-Indo-Europeans and the white race in general in Northern Eurasia (Hyperborea), etc., is mixed with the negative.

Just a few facts on a common logic point to the ancient history of the Russian people. So, already during the first princes of Rurikovich, uniting the Slavic-Russian lands - tribal alliances, Russia was a highly developed “country of cities” (Gardarika), which could put out a powerful army and navy, with developed craft production. Russia had its own writing and epic epic, stretching to hoary antiquity. That is the empire of Rurikovich had the powerful base going deeply to the past. It is impossible from scratch, with the "wild Slavs" to build a developed state, which easily challenged the most advanced state of the then West - the Byzantine (Romean) empire.

Thus, it turns out that the empire of the first Rurikovichs already had a powerful and ancient foundation. It could not have appeared out of nowhere, in the place of the "primitive tribes" who had "prayed to the stubs."


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The Russian people, even after all the wars of extermination and invasions, genocides, revolutions, “perestroika and“ reforms ”of the 20th and early 21st centuries. remain one of the largest nations of the world. At the beginning of the 20th century, Russia was second only to China and India in terms of population. And if three geopolitical catastrophes were the 1917 revolution and the subsequent Civil War and the intervention of external forces, the invasion of the European horde led by Hitler in 1941 and the counterrevolution of 1991 and the subsequent genocide of the Russians (called socio-economic "reforms") , now we could still be the third largest nation in the world, having about 500-600 million people. It is not for nothing that the brilliant Russian scientist DI Mendeleev calculated that by the middle of the 20th century there should be at least 400 million Russians. Unfortunately, the last century was very difficult for Russians, we more than once found ourselves on the verge of survival. And now again this moment, or we will either mobilize and make a leap into the future, surprising all of humanity, or the Fourth World War will be the last for us.

Nevertheless, Russians together with the entire Slavic world constitute the largest linguistic group and ethnic community in Europe. It must be said that the Russians and Slavs had a hard time, they were exterminated from century to century, enslaved and assimilated. However, Russians and Slavs are still the largest community in Europe!

Thousands of years ago, according to scientists, the Slavs had at least 10 million. That is, then they were the largest ethno-linguistic group in Europe. But it is known that according to toponymy (science that studies geographical names - toponyms), the Slavs firmly settled the lands of Eastern, Northern, Central and Southern Europe since ancient times (in particular, they settled the lands of modern Germany and Austria). As the ancient and Byzantine writers, the later chroniclers often followed them, Slavonic Russians either in the “Germans” (Vandals, Wends, Cherusks, Rugia, etc.), then in the “Scythians” and “Sarmatians”, then in the “Ancient Greeks "(Slavs-Macedonians). Given this, it is obvious that in the beginning and in the middle of I millennium BC. er Slavs made up half or even most of the population of Europe.

The question arises: “Could this half or most of the population of Europe simply take it and appear from nowhere in the 4th-6th centuries? n uh? The answer is obvious. Multi-million ethnic groups do not arise out of nowhere. Each of the millions of Slavs-Russ had parents, great-grandfathers, and ancestors — behind them were generations and generations of ancestors, who passed on to their descendants a language, a certain spiritual and material culture, and ethnic characteristics.

Thus, descending down the timeline, we reach the Slavic-Balt linguistic community. And we remember that the Prussian Prussians were Slavonic Russians, the ancestors of modern Lithuanians and Latvians worshiped common gods with Slavs in the XIV century (Perkunas-Perun and Velsu-Veles). Then we enter the German-Slavic-Balt community, then the Indo-European (Aryan) ethno-cultural community with its common language. We absolutely know for sure that the ancient Indo-Europeans (Aryans) are the direct ancestors of Russians and, accordingly, Russians. It is indisputable.

And here it turns out an amazing fact. When we begin to compare the languages ​​of the Indo-European family with the language of the Indo-European-Aryans, it turns out that the closest to the original Indo-European is neither Latin, nor Greek, nor German, but Sanskrit and Russian. Sanskrit carriers became extinct and assimilated into Indian ethno-massif. And Russians live and preserve the language, which is basically the most ancient language of the Indo-Europeans-Aryans. And this is an absolute indicator that although the Slavs, the Germans, the Romanesses, the Greeks, the Indo-Iranians are all direct descendants of Indo-Europeans, but the Russians are the direct bearers of their language. In other Indo-European languages, only fragments of a single parent language have survived.

Apparently, it's not for nothing that Western reformers try so hard to “format” our language. The Russian language is a heritage of the most ancient epochs, the true history of the Russian superethnos, the Indo-European family and the white race in general. And the masters of the West seek to preserve the truth about the past of mankind in secret, so that nothing prevents to continue the implementation of the project to enslave people.

And this is the reality. In terms of language, Russians are direct descendants of Indo-European Aryans. It must be remembered that in nature and society, in history, full equality is impossible. Someone always maintains direct stem continuity, and someone is a child, filial ethnos, or side escape. Thus, the Germans during the Second and Third Reich tried to prove that the Germans were direct descendants of the “Nordic race,” the Aryans. And the Slavs were recorded in the "inferior" nations. However, science shows that the Russians are the immediate and most direct descendants of the Indo-Europeans of all the existing nations. And the Germans, the Romanesses and the “ancient Greeks” are inferior in this respect to the Slavs.

However, the ancient Indo-European Aryans themselves also had ancestors. Their Boreal language is called boreal. Once it was one of commonness. But then it was divided into Indo-Europeans, Early Altai (Turks, White Mongols, etc.) and Early Uralians (Finno-Ugric and other peoples). Indo-Europeans were the main branch, the trunk. From here, a straight line is built: the Boreals — the Indo-Europeans — the Slavorussians — the Russians. And if we take the dictionary of the reconstructed Boreal proto-language, we will see that almost all the root bases of this language correspond to the Russian root bases. For example, “mr-” - “frost, freeze, pestilence, dead”; “Dr-” - “to fight, fight”, etc. But the boreals also had ancestors, and their own language was nostratic.

Thus, we come to the origins of the history of mankind, the first people of our planet and the first language, the ancestral homeland of the white race. All this is still waiting for its researchers. However, the truth about the true history of mankind and the history of the Russian people is a question of geopolitics. It completely turns the view of our past. Leads to the idea that, perhaps, our human civilization is not the first on Earth. Destroys all the basics of the biblical concept and the German-Romance school. Therefore, they try to hide this truth and discredit and discredit them by launching fake fakes, like the myth of the “ancient Ukrakh”.

Another proof of the ancient origin of the Russo superethnos is ethnology (ethnography) and anthropology. This is from the point of view of the average man and the law that all people are equal (which is fair). From the point of view of anthropology, the modern world is inhabited by people of different millennia and epochs. So, the negros retained the pronounced features of arkhantropov (Latin Homo erectus - rectified man), who lived in Africa 200 thousands of years ago and earlier. The Chinese have retained the features of synanthropes (Latin Sinanthropus pekinensis - “Peking Man” who lived hundreds of thousands of years ago. In Europe, there are representatives of Caucasians, for example, among Anglo-Saxons or Swiss, with a sloping forehead and a massive skull of a Neanderthaloid of a hundred thousand years old. Ethnic Czechs, Slovakians , Poles, East Germans, Lithuanians and Russians retain their purely Cro-Magnon appearance, "a man of the modern type."

It is clear that in our era, only one subspecies of Homo sapiens sapiens, a Cro-Magnon type man, lives on Earth. The terms “neoanthropes”, “people of modern anatomy” (LSA), etc. are also used. Another thing is that in some lands, in some ethnic groups there are only Cro-Magnon type features, and in others you can see, or they immediately notice the outward signs of Neanderthals, synanthropes and other no less or even more "ancient people" arhantropists. What does this mean? The fact that some Cro-Magnonian clans lived for tens of thousands of years in the lands of their ancestral home or nearby, without mixing with “other people” or confusion was minimal. And others, actively or not very actively, but noticeably, mixed with neanderthaloids, synanthropes and other arhantropists. The arkhantropists themselves became extinct in pure form, but they gave their subspecies signs to some ethnic communities that are divided into races, subraces, and peoples.

And now the most important thing. Least of all such arhantropic impurities in a large Caucasoid (white) race. And within the race itself the least of them (almost none, or rather there wasn’t, given the new migration of peoples) in the minor races: Eastern Baltic and Central Eastern Europe. These minor races include Russians and partially Balts, except Estonian-Estonians, Scandinavians and East Germans (Germanized Slavonic Russians).

Thus, from the point of view of anthropology, Russians are direct descendants of the Cro-Magnons. And the question “where did the Rus come from?” Can be answered like this: from where people of the modern anthropological type appeared. It turns out that the Russians continue to inhabit the ancestral homeland of humanity Northern Eurasia (Hyperborea) and are direct descendants of the first people.

And again we are confronted with geopolitics. It is obvious that the current migration flows, when millions of Africans and Asians migrate to Europe, to the north, is a controlled process. One of the goals of the owners of the West is the assimilation, the dissolution of the white race in the "melting pot", the creation of an "economic man" who has no racial, ethnic, religious or cultural roots. No wonder migrants are sent to the last “reserves” of the white race - Germany, Scandinavia, the Baltic States, Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia. Under the migratory blow Small Russia and the Russian Federation. The masters of the West want to mix all the races and nations in one “pot” in order to get the perfect slave. To destroy "the most recalcitrant people on Earth" - Russians, who retain the linguistic, anthropological and spiritual signs of the first people.

To be continued ...
Cradle of Humanity: Stolen Truth

Is it true that humanity originated in Africa? Is the ancient Egyptians really the first civilization on the planet? And can we say with absolute certainty that the north of Europe has never been inhabited, and the Slavic nation arose only in the 9 century of our era?
In recent years, the classical model has been increasingly questioned. stories and put forward new hypotheses of the emergence of human civilization. Numerous artifacts that researchers find in Yakutia and the Krasnoyarsk Territory, on the islands of the Arctic and in central Russia, make you wonder: maybe we know far from all our history? And in fact, the homeland of humanity is in a completely different place? In the Indian Vedas, the ancient system of ideas about the world, it is said that the mysterious ancient arias, which gave people culture and civilization, came from the north.

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    1. fraer
      fraer 8 December 2015 07: 47 New
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      (((Destroy "the most rebellious people on Earth" - Russians, preserving the linguistic, anthropological and spiritual signs of the first people.))))
      The first words of the video "The place of birth of a person is recorded in his passport"
      But there is the only mention that this is a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation.
      And not a word that I am Russian.
      Here it is a visual erosion of Russian identity.
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        1. sherp2015
          sherp2015 8 December 2015 08: 27 New
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          Quote: Vasily50
          It is strange that my comment was deleted, did it really become a revelation that the written history of Rus and the Russians was destroyed by the Romanovs together with the churchmen? Or were offended by Gundyaev, who called the savages of all RUSSIAN PEOPLE only because they did not believe in Jewish fairy tales? Or were offended that Afanasy NIKITIN owned several writing styles?


          ))) Right now, all of Israel will spread out that you are affecting them ... In Lohokost they will blame
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            1. Down House
              Down House 8 December 2015 15: 26 New
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              Quote: Vasily50
              I look forward to introducing criminal punishment for disbelief in fairy tales and disrespect for someone who does not respect me or my ancestors.

              Well, for starters, be yourself worthy of respect and respect the history of your ancestors yourself, not their antipodes from the folk history who dug up the Arctic Ocean 100000 years ago!
              1. fraer
                fraer 9 December 2015 06: 28 New
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                Quote: Down House
                Quote: Vasily50
                I look forward to introducing criminal punishment for disbelief in fairy tales and disrespect for someone who does not respect me or my ancestors.

                Well, for starters, be yourself worthy of respect and respect the history of your ancestors yourself, not their antipodes from the folk history who dug up the Arctic Ocean 100000 years ago!


                We are from Daariya, the land of the demigods.
                We are farmers - arias. We are thousands of centuries old!
                We are the country of Racia, Sunrise Ra land,
                Empire of Asia. We are aces, az - I am.
                We were the Grand Tartaria, the Tatar Horde,
                And from time immemorial - the Guardia - the Land of cities.
                Arkona, Novgorod, Tripoli, Arkaim -
                Everything was our patrimonial homeland.
                Asgard is the throne of Gardaria, And the temple of the sacred Vedas.
                He was the capital of the Aryans A Hundred and More Thousand Years!
                History - Fantasy, Scientific False Standard.
                I am Az and my land is Asia, And my city is Azgard! fellow
                1. Down House
                  Down House 9 December 2015 07: 24 New
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                  Quote: fraer
                  History - Fantasy, Scientific False Standard.

                  All right laughing
          2. bastard
            bastard 8 December 2015 16: 41 New
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            Quote: sherp2015
            Right now, the whole of Israel will spread out that you are affecting them ... In Lohokost they will blame

            Right now, the moderators will delete the article for intolerance and extremism.

            "The existence of such political systems and orders in the world is possible under which to tell the truth means to commit a crime. And cowardice, covered with a mask of prudence, will enter the national character."

            Bertrand Russell
            1. Down House
              Down House 8 December 2015 18: 48 New
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              Quote: villain
              the article will be deleted for intolerance and extremism.

              It is high time to put equal signs between pseudoscience and extremism!
              1. bastard
                bastard 8 December 2015 20: 23 New
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                Quote: Down House
                It is high time to put equal signs between pseudoscience and extremism!

                I do not consider the "uchOnykh" Bayer, Miller and Schlözer, who composed the history of Russia under the pro-Western Romanovs, to be crystal honest and decent people. In your opinion, these pundits worked conscientiously or did they fulfill a political order? If the order, then this is not only extremism, but also a historical genocide, coupled with political intervention.
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                2. topical
                  topical 8 December 2015 20: 42 New
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                  Quote: villain
                  In your opinion, did these learned men work conscientiously or did they fulfill a political order?

                  Of course, they fulfilled Catherine's order. It is appropriate to recall here that Catherine was building the "Third Rome". And the real history of Russia, even from the point of view of the purity of religion, did not pull at the Third Rome. Therefore, it was corrected. And for the history of the whole of Russia they gave out the history of Holy Russia, its small part. Well, such a small substitution. But ideologically everything was correct. And Russia of those times was quite naturally sometimes called the Third Rome.
                  By the way, our children and grandchildren still teach this story from Catherine Germans in schools. It is not clear why? Maybe 4th Rome is going to build? So, it will not work. The mass of people (such a term) in the 20th century in Russia was lost forever. Therefore, nothing global can be built. Builders are not enough.
                  1. Down House
                    Down House 8 December 2015 22: 25 New
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                    Quote: topic
                    It is appropriate to recall here that Catherine was building the "Third Rome".

                    In fact, she did not come up with the "third Rome", it just so happened that we are (albeit in part) the legal successors of the Byzantine Empire-Ancient Rome.
                    1. topical
                      topical 8 December 2015 22: 32 New
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                      Quote: Down House
                      it so happened that we are (albeit partially) the successors of the Byzantine Empire-Ancient Rome.

                      No more than the Ottoman Empire. Or Greece. Or Italy.
                      In fact, this is the legend about "Russia as the third Rome". To which she, by and large, had nothing to do. It may not be Catherine who came up with it. But she promoted it. Still, this is not an ordinary emperor for you. This is a living story. Emperor of emperors. For the autocrats, this idea was very tempting. And they did a lot to promote it.
                      1. Down House
                        Down House 9 December 2015 00: 45 New
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                        Quote: topic
                        No more than the Ottoman Empire. Or Greece. Or Italy.

                        What are you ?!
                        And it's okay that after the fall of Constantinople, the only ruling representatives of the Palaeologus dynasty (the last dynasty of the Byzantine Empire) were "Palaeologus-Rurikovich" Ivan-3 and Ivan-4, but what about their legal successors, the Romanovs? fellow
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                      3. topical
                        topical 9 December 2015 01: 08 New
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                        Quote: Down House
                        the only ruling representatives of the Palaeologus dynasty (the last dynasty of the Byzantine Empire) were "Palaeologus-Rurikovich"

                        There was no such dynasty. The wife of Ivan III was indeed Sophia Palaeologus from the imperial dynasty of Palaeologus. She was a niece to the last emperor of Byzantium. Those. she was not a princess. And this is only the first "sadness" in the theory "Russia is the third Rome".
                        2. She was a woman. And the genus in Christian countries is transmitted along the male line.
                        3. At Fyodor I (the great-grandson of Sophia Paleolog), even this relationship with the Paleologists was interrupted. Therefore, further attempts on this topic already look ridiculous.
                        4. Sophia’s father, Paleolog Thomas, abandoned Orthodoxy and converted to Catholicism.
                        5. Since 1453 the Byzantine emperor was Mehmed II and his descendants. At the same time, the male descendants of the Paleologists lived in Rome.
                      4. topical
                        topical 9 December 2015 01: 30 New
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                        And more.
                        6. In 1494 Andrei Paleolog sold the inheritance rights to the Byzantine throne to the French king Charles VIII. And after his death (Karl did not have time to fulfill the terms of the contract), the Spanish king Ferdinand.
                        Those. in fact, Madrid became the third Rome as a result. Although all this is only theoretically. Mehmed II and his descendants were not going to give up the won title.
                      5. Down House
                        Down House 9 December 2015 07: 27 New
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                        Quote: topic
                        In 1494 Andrei Paleolog sold the inheritance rights to the Byzantine throne to the French king Charles VIII. And after his death (Karl did not have time to fulfill the terms of the contract), the Spanish king Ferdinand.

                        And it doesn’t matter - it’s a "filkina literacy" - a dynasty has only one single legal right to be considered the legal successor of another dynasty - this is the closest blood relationship with this same dynasty.
                        Quote: topic
                        Those. in fact, Madrid became the third Rome as a result.

                        Yes, no, that's what Moscow hi
                      6. Spnsr
                        Spnsr 9 December 2015 10: 35 New
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                        Quote: topic
                        And more.
                        6. In 1494 Andrei Paleolog sold the inheritance rights to the Byzantine throne to the French king Charles VIII. And after his death (Karl did not have time to fulfill the terms of the contract), the Spanish king Ferdinand.
                        Those. in fact, Madrid became the third Rome as a result. Although all this is only theoretically. Mehmed II and his descendants were not going to give up the won title.

                        sorry, generously of course! but we have all heard it! and yet, there are individuals expressing thought
                        anodonta RU December 7, 2015 19:05 p.m. ↑
                        Quote: SpnSr
                        you read strange orientalists however, even if karamzin has,
                        Well, if in the XNUMXst century you are indiscriminately referring to Karamzin, then what demand can there be from you?

                        but in general, it would be possible to catch that many express doubts in traditional history, and at least to make such statements as you make - to try to approve the lies of the pitaus scalegenra!
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                        topical 9 December 2015 10: 53 New
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                        Quote: SpnSr
                        and at least to make such statements as you make - to try to approve the pitaus scalegenra lies!

                        The trouble is that there is a deed of purchase on the Byzantine throne with an exact date. For global sovereigns (third Roman Byzantines) it is unpleasant, but true.
                      8. Spnsr
                        Spnsr 10 December 2015 02: 49 New
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                        Quote: topic
                        The trouble is that there is a deed of purchase on the Byzantine throne with an exact date. For global sovereigns (third Roman Byzantines) it is unpleasant, but true.

                        not at all unpleasant! if you dig deep, it’s a fake, and Ivan the Terrible is the direct heir to Augustus! wink
                        but asserting the history line of the pitavius ​​scaleger is not only ignorance, but also the height of blasphemy, simply for one simple reason, and this reason is objective enough from the beginning of the 18-19 centuries, this is the beginning of the inoculation of Russophobia in Poland, and the liberation from the Ottoman yoke of little brothers , and the Slavophile theory of the Romanovs, they already knew what they were talking about when they tried to tune Europe in their own way and thereby expand the empire or its influence!
                        and especially the history of recent days - Ukraine!
                        the story repeats itself ...
                      9. topical
                        topical 10 December 2015 10: 18 New
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                        Quote: SpnSr
                        if you dig deep, then this is a fake, and Ivan the Terrible is the direct heir to Augustus

                        Well, I understand everything. Just in case, I inform you that I agree with all your statements. And even more. I. Grozny is also a clear heir to September, the Bolshevik October, and even November. And also December and especially January.
                      10. Spnsr
                        Spnsr 10 December 2015 12: 18 New
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                        Quote: topic
                        Well, I understand everything. Just in case, I inform you that I agree with all your statements. And even more. I. Grozny is also a clear heir to September, the Bolshevik October, and even November. And also December and especially January.

                        do not understand! belay it's such an urchin! wassat
            2. Down House
              Down House 9 December 2015 01: 45 New
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              Quote: topic
              To the last emperor of Byzantium, she was a niece.

              She was a daughter to the "last emperor" - her father Thomas Palaeologus was the only legitimate heir to the Byzantine throne after the death of his brother Constantine XI.
              Quote: topic
              She was a woman. And the genus in Christian countries is transmitted along the male line.

              What do you mean?
              And then that the same Constantine XI, being Paleologus, bore the name of his mother - Dragash? You know little about the traditions of "Christian countries" smile
              Quote: topic
              At Fedor I (great-grandson of Sophia Paleolog), even this relationship with the Paleologists was interrupted

              Not interrupted - "kinship" is passed along the line of the Dynasty, and not along the blood line - no matter how strange it may seem to you wassat
              Quote: topic
              Sophia's father, Paleolog Thomas, refused Orthodoxy and converted to Catholicism.

              And what exactly did you mean by that?
              Quote: topic
              Since 1453 the Byzantine emperor was Mehmed II and his descendants

              Yes, they themselves could even call themselves emperors of Mars and the entire universe - they were not "legitimate" successors of the Byzantine dynasty and were not officially recognized by them, unlike Ivan 3.
              Quote: topic
              At the same time, the male descendants of the Paleologists lived in Rome.

              So what? And where are they? Where did you rule? Oh yes - the "descendants of the Palaeologus" ruled in Moscow - that is why Moscow and the Third Rome! fellow
            3. topical
              topical 9 December 2015 02: 31 New
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              Quote: Down House
              her father, Thomas Palaeologus, was the only legitimate heir to the Byzantine throne after the death of his brother Constantine XI.

              Heir to the throne, not the emperor. And Thomas was never emperor.
              Quote: Down House
              And then what did the same Konstantin XI, being a Paleologist, carry the name of his mother - Dragash?

              I don’t know this.
              Quote: Down House
              You know little about the traditions of "Christian countries"

              Why do you deny well-known things?
              Quote: Down House
              "kinship" is passed on through the Dynasty, not through the bloodline

              Do not fantasize. Kinship is transmitted by blood. In addition, the Rurik dynasty on Fedor I was also interrupted.
              Quote: Down House
              And what exactly did you mean by that?

              The fact that Sophia’s father, as a renegade, lost all hereditary rights to the Byzantine throne during his lifetime.
              Quote: Down House
              they were not "legitimate" successors of the Byzantine dynasty and were not officially recognized by them, in contrast to Ivan 3.

              Yes? When and by whom was something recognized for Ivan III? And then what did Sophia’s brother, the official heir to the Byzantine throne, Andrei Paleolog, sell in Europe? What did he sell to Ferdinand? And why did the latter pay him money?
              Quote: Down House
              Oh yes - the "descendants of the Palaeologus" ruled in Moscow - that is why Moscow and the Third Rome

              Once again, about the male line. If Vasily III could still be called a descendant of the Paleologists, then with Ivan the Terrible everything was more complicated. And after the death of Fedor I, the topic was supposed to disappear by itself. But for some reason it has not disappeared.
              In addition, in 1502. The paleologists OFFICIALLY lost any rights to the Byzantine throne due to their sale to the Spanish king Ferdinand. Those. already Ivan the Terrible (b. 1530), the grandson of Sophia Paleolog, did not even have any theoretical rights to this throne. And his father, Vasily III, starting in 1502, too.
            4. Down House
              Down House 9 December 2015 07: 35 New
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              Quote: topic
              And after the death of Fedor I, the topic was supposed to disappear by itself. But for some reason it has not disappeared.

              Because once again I repeat, you do not understand anything in the succession of Christian countries!
              What you write - outright nonsense - again!
              Quote: topic
              Do not fantasize. Kinship is transmitted by blood. In addition, the Rurik dynasty on Fedor I was also interrupted.

              It is precisely that your fantasies, and by blood - this is the succession to the throne, and the dynasty is "by ancestors" and including (if necessary) on the maternal side!
              That is why the Rururikovich-Romanovs can be considered the only legal successors of the Paleology Dynasty as the only legal dynasties that had Paleologists in their family!
            5. topical
              topical 9 December 2015 11: 40 New
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              Quote: Down House
              you do not understand anything in the succession of Christian countries

              I am glad that you "understand" this. One of your pearls about the fact that the title and the throne are not passed on by blood. A new word in this topic.
              Quote: Down House
              and by blood - this is the succession to the throne, and the dynasty - is "by ancestors" and including (if necessary) on the maternal line!

              Yeah! already by blood!
              You decide first, and then write. And then you have different things written. Depending on the situation.
              According to the ancestors and the maternal line? You are a big dreamer. It is only in Russia that women, as a result of palace coups, sat on the throne. But these are exceptions to the rules. Their legitimacy was doubtful. Highly.
              Quote: Down House
              That is why the Rururikovich-Romanovs can be considered the only legal successors of the Paleology Dynasty as the only legal dynasties that had Paleologists in their family!

              Already wrote, but just in case, I will write more:
              1. The Romanovs had nothing to do with the Paleologists. Only the late Rurikovich, but also that of the mother.
              2. Sophia's father was never an emperor, and she was never a princess.
              3. In addition to the legal heir to the throne, Andrei Paleolog, who sold these rights to the Spanish Ferdinand, Thomas Paleolog also had a son, Manuel, and another daughter, Elena. Those. Sophia did not even have theoretical rights to the title.
              By the way, Manuil Paleolog once declared that he did not consider his brother Andrei to be the heir to the Byzantine throne. Although in Europe, it was Andrei who was considered the heir. He stated this in order to sell his mythical rights to the throne to Bayezid II (as a result he sold). Manuel also lived in Istanbul.
              Women (Elena and Sophia) of the Paleologian clan never quite naturally claimed any rights to the Byzantine throne. All according to the same tradition of succession to the throne. Both Andrei Paleolog and Manuel Paleolog had male children (Manuel even had 2).
              4. In fact, the concept of "Moscow, the third Rome" was consolidated in the minds and actively promoted by Alexander II. Although the concept itself has existed since ancient times and was associated with the Monomakh cap. Court sycophants from this gift of Konstantin Monomakh drew far-reaching conclusions.
              This is how you presented the neighbor with a cap, and after your death he will appear and pushing your children with his elbows will declare that he is your heir. And he will present a presented cap as evidence. Stating that this is not just a cap, but a crown of this shape. And the gift says that he gives everything to you.
              Rave? Rave. But the court slime and the monarch lived in a different dimension. Therefore, this theory was not ridiculed.
            6. Down House
              Down House 9 December 2015 13: 12 New
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              Quote: topic
              You decide first, and then write.

              It’s you who will decide what distinguishes the succession of the throne from the succession of dynasties!
              And until you understand this, that states trace their "genealogy" not according to the blood of kings, but according to the ruling dynasties - so you will write nonsense wink
              Quote: topic
              Already wrote, but just in case, I will write more:

              I wrote this to you above, but this is for "those who have ears" - until you understand how the throne differs from the dynasty, you will not hear anything.
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            8. topical
              topical 9 December 2015 14: 05 New
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              Quote: Down House
              until you understand this, that states trace their "lineage" not according to the blood of kings, but according to the ruling dynasties

              Are you going to extremes now? Do you prove that zebra strips do not start with white, but with black?
              Or are you trying to prove that an outsider (not a relative) can easily become a representative of any dynasty? I think so. You wrote to me about the Rurik-Romanov dynasty. And the Paleolog-Rurikovich dynasty also wrote. It was funny. Thank you, laughed heartily.
              Quote: Down House
              until you understand the throne from the dynasty, you will not understand

              Here I just highly recommend you study this question. You need.
          3. but still
            but still 10 December 2015 02: 33 New
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            2. Sophia's father was never an emperor, and she was never a princess.

            Exactly! Catholics slipped it to Ivan III for a reason. And it was strange somehow his first young wife died suddenly. And their firstborn son also somehow strangely died young. And then the palace intrigues - at first Sophia and her son were out of favor. And then the grandson from the firstborn son and his mother rotted in a dungeon ...
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      2. Spnsr
        Spnsr 9 December 2015 10: 38 New
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        Quote: topic
        Quote: Down House
        her father, Thomas Palaeologus, was the only legitimate heir to the Byzantine throne after the death of his brother Constantine XI.

        Heir to the throne, not the emperor. And Thomas was never emperor.
        Quote: Down House
        And then what did the same Konstantin XI, being a Paleologist, carry the name of his mother - Dragash?

        I don’t know this.
        Quote: Down House
        You know little about the traditions of "Christian countries"

        Why do you deny well-known things?
        Quote: Down House
        "kinship" is passed on through the Dynasty, not through the bloodline

        Do not fantasize. Kinship is transmitted by blood. In addition, the Rurik dynasty on Fedor I was also interrupted.
        Quote: Down House
        And what exactly did you mean by that?

        The fact that Sophia’s father, as a renegade, lost all hereditary rights to the Byzantine throne during his lifetime.
        Quote: Down House
        they were not "legitimate" successors of the Byzantine dynasty and were not officially recognized by them, in contrast to Ivan 3.

        Yes? When and by whom was something recognized for Ivan III? And then what did Sophia’s brother, the official heir to the Byzantine throne, Andrei Paleolog, sell in Europe? What did he sell to Ferdinand? And why did the latter pay him money?
        Quote: Down House
        Oh yes - the "descendants of the Palaeologus" ruled in Moscow - that is why Moscow and the Third Rome

        Once again, about the male line. If Vasily III could still be called a descendant of the Paleologists, then with Ivan the Terrible everything was more complicated. And after the death of Fedor I, the topic was supposed to disappear by itself. But for some reason it has not disappeared.
        In addition, in 1502. The paleologists OFFICIALLY lost any rights to the Byzantine throne due to their sale to the Spanish king Ferdinand. Those. already Ivan the Terrible (b. 1530), the grandson of Sophia Paleolog, did not even have any theoretical rights to this throne. And his father, Vasily III, starting in 1502, too.

        yes, and also, this story, or rather its part, which you are diligently proving to us, was invented precisely so that no one would have a thought for Constantinople! for the same reason, the capital of Turkey, Ankara
      3. topical
        topical 9 December 2015 10: 56 New
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        Quote: SpnSr
        was invented precisely so that no one would have a thought on Constantinople! for the same reason, the capital of Turkey, Ankara

        This is already from the "passion" series.
        And Ankara is the capital because it occupies a more advantageous geographical position. In addition, it is not located on a passing street.
      4. Spnsr
        Spnsr 9 December 2015 16: 36 New
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        Quote: topic
        Quote: SpnSr
        was invented precisely so that no one would have a thought on Constantinople! for the same reason, the capital of Turkey, Ankara

        This is already from the "passion" series.
        And Ankara is the capital because it occupies a more advantageous geographical position. In addition, it is not located on a passing street.

        depending on which street you’re looking, if you’re moving hard from that one, then yes, but from the point of view of crossing many roads, Istanbul is at the center of many roads!
      5. topical
        topical 9 December 2015 17: 39 New
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        Quote: SpnSr
        and if from the point of view of the intersection of many roads, then Istanbul is at the center of many routes!

        Imagine if foreign cruisers, TARKs, submarines, etc., walked along the Moscow River. I think in this case, the capital, too, would quickly be moved somewhere.
      6. Spnsr
        Spnsr 9 December 2015 18: 07 New
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        Quote: topic
        Imagine if foreign cruisers, TARKs, submarines, etc., walked along the Moscow River. I think in this case, the capital, too, would quickly be moved somewhere.

        you are touching me! to be out of reach of all other countries one must live on the moon! and then explain what and why
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      8. topical
        topical 9 December 2015 18: 29 New
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        Quote: SpnSr
        to be out of reach of all other countries one must live on the moon!

        Learn the meaning of the term "flight time". You will immediately cease to be touched.
      9. Spnsr
        Spnsr 9 December 2015 21: 48 New
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        Quote: topic
        Learn the meaning of the term "flight time". You will immediately cease to be touched.

        SMART HOT! laughing Could you come up with more convincing? laughing
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  • FM-78
    FM-78 8 December 2015 23: 56 New
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    If the dear "comrade" had attended school, he would have known that Catherine did not consider Peter 3 to be Rome. "Europe revolves around me."
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    2. topical
      topical 9 December 2015 00: 09 New
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      Quote: FM-78
      that Catherine did not consider Peter 3 as Rome.

      Do you understand Russian? Do you catch the difference between Peter and Russia? Does not look like it.
  • ivankursk46
    ivankursk46 8 December 2015 22: 19 New
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    Again clucking about evil scientists. Well, what else to expect from a person who hasn’t read anything smarter than murzilka in his whole life laughing

    Miller:
    The huge collection of archival documents exported by Miller was especially important, and if he himself used only an insignificant part of them, then for one and a half years they served and continue to serve until now as an important help for individual scientists and entire institutions. Prince M. M. Shcherbatov, Golikov, Slovtsov, Novikov for the "Ancient Russian Vivliofika", Count Rumyantsev for the "Collection of State Letters and Treaties", the archaeographic commission and others owe much to Miller.
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Миллер,_Герхард_Фридрих

    Schlezer:
    He did a lot of work on the publication of Russian chronicles. In 1767 the first volume of the Nikon Chronicle was published, prepared by S. Bashilov under the direction of Schletser. In the same year he published the first edition of Russkaya Pravda.
    Along with this work, he also considered important the promotion of Russian history in Europe. Schletser used all his trips to Germany and other countries for this, considering and calling himself a Russian patriot.

    http://www.hrono.ru/biograf/bio_sh/shlecer_al.php
    1. topical
      topical 8 December 2015 22: 37 New
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      Quote: ivankursk46
      Schlezer used for this, considering and calling himself a Russian patriot.

      He could consider it quite sincerely. Another thing, as he understood this patriotism. And that for the sake of this patriotism, as he understood it, he did.
      1. Spnsr
        Spnsr 9 December 2015 16: 46 New
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        Quote: topic
        Quote: ivankursk46
        Schlezer used for this, considering and calling himself a Russian patriot.

        He could consider it quite sincerely. Another thing, as he understood this patriotism. And that for the sake of this patriotism, as he understood it, he did.

        Well, yes, patriots like the Ganapolsky ones, they will surely shout at every corner that the Russian patriots are the most correct, but they will carry heresy, this will be the wave of Russophobia upbringing !!! moreover, not only among the advancing European, creating the prerequisites for the sensation of their antiquity, but also among those who live inside the country ...
    2. War and Peace
      War and Peace 8 December 2015 23: 48 New
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      Quote: ivankursk46
      Again clucking about evil scientists. Well, what else to expect from a person who hasn’t read anything smarter than murzilka in his whole life


      it was precisely these Germans that Lomonosov didn’t like the most, even beat someone in the face, so for example I’m on the side of Lomonosov, but I’m not Russophobic, of course, on the German side ...
    3. Spnsr
      Spnsr 9 December 2015 10: 48 New
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      Quote: ivankursk46
      Again clucking about evil scientists. Well, what else to expect from a person who hasn’t read anything smarter than murzilka in his whole life laughing

      Schlezer:
      He also considered important the promotion of Russian history in Europe. Schlezer used all his trips to Germany and other countries for this.
      http://www.hrono.ru/biograf/bio_sh/shlecer_al.php
      something seems to me that this is just the first wave of education of Russophobia in countries that still considered themselves part of the Russian World laughing
    4. Rivares
      Rivares 9 December 2015 20: 21 New
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      Quote: ivankursk46
      Again clucking about evil scientists. Well, what else to expect from a person who hasn’t read anything smarter than murzilka in his whole life

      In 1749, Schumacher invited Miller and Lomonosov to prepare speeches for their utterance in a solemn scientific meeting. Miller composed the speech “On the Origin of the People and the Name of the Russians” but, ATTENTION!, In Latin. On the origin of Russians in Latin, in the Russian Academy of Sciences! Why? Yes, because Miller’s knowledge of the Russian language was so mediocre that he simply could not master the speech in a foreign language to him.

      Let's say great thanks to the great-grandfather of our historians, the great Gerard Friedrich Miller! That, despite a poor knowledge of the Russian language, he nevertheless created for us the foundations of a future TI!
    5. Rivares
      Rivares 9 December 2015 20: 47 New
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      Quote: ivankursk46
      Miller:
      The huge collection of archival documents exported by Miller was especially important, and if he himself used only an insignificant part of them, then for one and a half years they served and continue to serve until now as an important help for individual scientists and entire institutions. Prince M. M. Shcherbatov, Golikov, Slovtsov, Novikov for the "Ancient Russian Vivliofika", Count Rumyantsev for the "Collection of State Letters and Treaties", the archaeographic commission and others owe much to Miller.
      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Миллер,_Герхард_Фридрих

      Schlezer:
      He did a lot of work on the publication of Russian chronicles. In 1767 the first volume of the Nikon Chronicle was published, prepared by S. Bashilov under the direction of Schletser. In the same year he published the first edition of Russkaya Pravda.
      Along with this work, he also considered important the promotion of Russian history in Europe. Schletser used all his trips to Germany and other countries for this, considering and calling himself a Russian patriot.
      http://www.hrono.ru/biograf/bio_sh/shlecer_al.php

      German professors - historians decided to achieve the removal of Lomonosov and his supporters from the Academy. Every effort was made to defame Lomonosov in front of the world scientific community. Lomonosov was arrested. A commission set up by the Senate to investigate the activities of a group of Russian scientists who have charged against the dominance of foreigners in science has stated that Lomonosov is liable to death, or in extreme cases, punishment with lashes and deprivation of rights and condition. For almost seven months, Lomonosov sat under arrest awaiting sentencing. He was found guilty by the decree of Elizabeth, but was released from punishment, his salary was halved and he was ordered to apologize to German professors. An attempt was made to transfer Lomonosov’s materials on language and history at the disposal of Schletser. And if attempts to get to the Lomonosov archive in Russian history were made even during his lifetime, then what can we say about the fate of this unique archive after the death of Lomonosov. As expected, the Lomonosov archive was immediately confiscated immediately after his death and disappeared without a trace. After a seven-year delay, Lomonosov’s work on Russian history was finally published under the complete control of Miller and Schletser. And that is only the first volume. And the rest of the volume disappeared without a trace. It just so happened that the “work of Lomonosov on history” at our disposal today is in a strange and surprising way consistent with Millerovsky point of view on history.
  • Down House
    Down House 8 December 2015 22: 23 New
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    Quote: villain
    I do not consider Bayer, Miller and Schlözer "uchOnyh"

    And you forgive yourself who? hi
    Quote: villain
    composed the history of Russia during the pro-Western Romanovs

    And let it be known to you, after them, hundreds and thousands of other historians have written dozens of volumes about our and “not our” history after them, why are you just picking up on these three gentlemen from the beginning ?! fellow
    1. bastard
      bastard 9 December 2015 12: 39 New
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      Quote: Down House
      Quote: villain
      I do not consider Bayer, Miller and Schlözer "uchOnyh"

      Quote: Down House
      And you forgive yourself who?

      Do you, my dear, send a notarized photocopy of your passport? Al believe the word?
      My doubts about the truthfulness of the presentation of history, as a science, arose back in school years (1972-1982).
      1. Down House
        Down House 9 December 2015 13: 14 New
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        Quote: villain
        My doubts about the truthfulness of the presentation of history, as a science, arose back in school

        Yeah, that’s the time when you want to rebel. laughing
        And most importantly, having an incomplete secondary education, it's time to doubt the works of people with several higher laughing
  • Down House
    Down House 9 December 2015 00: 30 New
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    Quote: villain
    In your opinion, did these learned men work conscientiously or did they fulfill a political order?

    In my opinion, tens and hundreds of volumes on history have been written after them by hundreds and thousands of scientists, why do you all remember these "Millers" ?!
    1. War and Peace
      War and Peace 9 December 2015 14: 25 New
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      Quote: Down House
      In my opinion, tens and hundreds of volumes on history have been written after them by hundreds and thousands of scientists, why do you all remember these "Millers" ?!


      even when the archaeologist Gerasimov opened the tomb of Tamerlane and saw that his skull does not bear Asian features, he was still forced to make an Asian reconstruction for the sake of the winning paradigm, so do not pretend that everyone knows for a long time ...
  • sssla
    sssla 8 December 2015 20: 50 New
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    Quote: sherp2015
    Right now, the whole of Israel will spread out that you are affecting them ... In Lohokost they will blame

    The hosts no matter how)) And you are just a guest drunk)))
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 8 December 2015 21: 02 New
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      Quote: sssla
      No matter how the owners

      Thank you, this is exactly what I had in mind when I mentioned Solovyov, I have a similar video of his pearl but the signature there does not coincide somewhat with the rules of the site, so I did not upload it.
      And so, for a long time, one Jew quite seriously claimed that dinosaurs on planet Earth disappeared due to the fact that they were eaten by Jews who multiplied in huge quantities millions of years ago lol
      1. sssla
        sssla 8 December 2015 23: 08 New
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        Quote: quilted jacket
        his pearl

        Throwing them into the nest will help the poor fellow and begin to gain recognition, reputation, authority and then behave like a cuckoo in a nest, knocking out their places! And when trouble comes, then they show their essence !! Sometimes he throws words for Mother Raseya that candy floss for the heart! But all the same, the feeling that he is not ours!
  • Riv
    Riv 8 December 2015 08: 30 New
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    Afanasy Nikitin did not own several styles. He has one style. But Walking is just defiantly bilingual. Nikitin switches from Russian to Turkic and vice versa, as from native to native. Most likely this language was native. It is a single language with a huge number of mutual borrowings, and even supplemented by Sanskrit.
    So maybe there was no difference between the Turks and the Slavs? Well yes. She was not there. One people was.
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 8 December 2015 08: 51 New
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      What doesn’t seem to be imagined, the variant of the Turkic origin of the RUSSIANS is already being drawn * you need such an idea to Poland.
      1. Spnsr
        Spnsr 8 December 2015 13: 32 New
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        Quote: Vasily50
        What doesn’t seem to be imagined, the variant of the Turkic origin of the RUSSIANS is already being drawn * you need such an idea to Poland.

        understand one thing, back in the 80s of the last century there was no use of the Turk type by blood, but there was the use of Turkic-speaking tribes!
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 8 December 2015 18: 44 New
          +6
          The article not only suffers from a complete lack of logic, but also illiterate. The author jumps from topic to topic, not really caring about the spirit and style of what is being presented, under the slogan "The Russians are such an ancient people that you just swing!"
          The author of "The Tale of Time Years" Nestor, mentioned in the article, slightly exaggerated, reaching the clan of the Slavs to the clan of Japheth. But he is just resting against the backdrop of the ILLEGAL fantasy of the author of this opus (how much is opium for the people?).
          And judging by the responses of members of the forum, the topic of mentioning Slavs is glorified in ancient Greek primary sources is a mystery with seven seals.
          Solovyov and Klyuchevsky in the other world burn out with shame for their "compatriots" - knowledge of the History of Russia / Russia becomes a kind of shame for the especially enlightened. Wild theories about the "super-antiquity" of the Russian ethnos are being dragged into the light of day. Take a cue from the Egyptian Bedouins riding stinky camels around the Sphinx at Giza. Even they have enough "tyama" not to cling to the relatives of the inhabitants of ancient Egypt. But they could - won, and the Sphinx, and the pyramids at your side.
          PS
          If the Tula landowner erected a monument on his money in honor of the Battle of Kulikovo on his estate, then Tokma pursued a selfish goal - to please his pride. Do not become like such personalities, argue about the origin of the Slavs, without reading a single serious work published before the era of online fiction.
          hi
          1. igorra
            igorra 8 December 2015 19: 27 New
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            Dear Bedouins, they have nothing to do with the Egyptians, all the more related! And at the expense of all the Western primary sources - read what they are writing about Russia now and having gone three hundred years ahead, judging by what is written, we will appear before the descendants of world evil.
            PS And about the era of online reading, thank God you can read authors who are not on the list recommended by the Ministry of Education. A person categorically rejecting another opinion or a fanatic of any dogma or ... put here any definition of a near person you like. With all due respect, TO YOUR OPINION, by the way formulated by the Germans during the reign of a German, albeit Great.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 8 December 2015 20: 15 New
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              Quote: igorra
              the Bedouins have nothing to do with the Egyptians, much less allied!

              Dear!
              Read my post carefully.
              Quote: igorra
              And about the era of online reading, thank God you can read authors who are not included in the list recommended by the Ministry of Education

              Have you read what this Ministry of Education recommended?
              Quote: igorra
              With all due respect, TO YOUR OPINION, by the way formulated by the Germans during the reign of a German, albeit Great.

              Do you also have Arkaim on your mind?
              laughing
            2. Down House
              Down House 8 December 2015 22: 28 New
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              Quote: igorra
              And at the expense of all the Western primary sources - read what they are writing about Russia now and having gone three hundred years ahead, judging by what is written, we will appear before the descendants of world evil.

              Yes, they write different things about us - and good too, the story is science and that honest scientists and researchers are outside politics and prejudice, including Western ones!
          2. rexby63
            rexby63 8 December 2015 20: 47 New
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            Regarding Nestor, you involuntarily repeated Samsonov’s mistake, positioning him the chronicler as a historian. In my opinion, he is a writer, and his reception with Japheth is like a hyperbole.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 8 December 2015 20: 58 New
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              Quote: rexby63
              Regarding Nestor, you involuntarily repeated Samsonov’s mistake, positioning him the chronicler as a historian.

              Where have you seen the words "chronicler" or "historian" in my post?
              And generally speaking. Reading the reciprocal posts, I begin to suspect that opponents are quoting someone else.
              Do you also study history?
              1. rexby63
                rexby63 9 December 2015 20: 50 New
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                Did I write that "I saw in your post"? In my opinion, the wording in my comment was somewhat different.
                At first glance, you seemed more adequate. Wrong, it happens.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 9 December 2015 21: 20 New
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                  Quote: rexby63
                  At first glance, you seemed more adequate

                  No need to pour tears, chew snot.
                  Refer to the mirror for adequacy. On the mirror, draw a minus.
                2. rexby63
                  rexby63 10 December 2015 19: 59 New
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                  Judging by the "marshal's" shoulder straps, "cons" for you is something like a red rag for a bull. Rooting for the rating with all our might, huh?
                3. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 11 December 2015 11: 00 New
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                  I do not suffer from pride, unlike you ... laughing
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  • War and Peace
    War and Peace 8 December 2015 09: 07 New
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    Quote: Riv
    So maybe there was no difference between the Turks and the Slavs? Well yes. She was not there. One people was.


    I wonder who were these very TURKS? who is it? and where?
    1. Riv
      Riv 8 December 2015 09: 58 New
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      Okay It’s ridiculous for us, brethren, to begin a brief analysis of this ...

      Purely for broadening the horizons: the Slavs, as a formed people, are mentioned from the sixth century. But you don’t think that they took it like that and landed from the moon despite the fact that the Proto-Slavic language was formed already in the first millennium BC? That is, the people themselves are much older and only the Byzantines called it Slavs. So who lived three thousand years ago in a region that includes present-day Ukraine, Belarus and the south of Russia?

      Herodotus wrote that Scythians live there and modern science seems to agree: there were such. And you don’t think that they suddenly took and disappeared, so that the Slavs filled the vacuum that was created? Of course, they are one and the same people, only under different names. And keep in mind: the Scythians also did not come from the moon. And they have their ancestors.

      And who are the Turks? The people formed in the western Volga region, in the third millennium BC. A little earlier than the Slavs, right? Migration to the east led to the settlement of Siberia and Central Asia. Migration to the west apparently also went on constantly. What did we say there about the ancestors of the Scythians? Here they are. The tribes were mixed together, some died, others were related and managed to get along together, giving rise to new ethnic groups.

      Well, who are the Slavs? Is it clear why there are so many Turkisms in Russian, and why is Nikitin in the Turkic sprechal, as in his native? Yes, because the Russian language is Turkic and is, only very much changed by then.
      1. War and Peace
        War and Peace 8 December 2015 10: 16 New
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        Quote: Riv
        A little earlier than the Slavs, right


        not true, why on earth, from TI? TI is not true, there is no scientific justification of the chronology ...

        Quote: Riv
        Yes, because the Russian language is Turkic and is, only very much changed by then.


        But you don’t have to carry nonsense, Russian and Turkic -MOST IMPROVABLE LANGUAGES, in grammar, in vocabulary (separate words common), in phonetics of the language-GUN, there is such a new philological hint -MORPHOLOGY is the adaptability and variability of the language, so, Russian and the Turkic people go in different directions altogether. There is only one proximity: Russians and Tatars - genetically close peoples, apparently the same people, the Kirghiz have a lot of R1A-R1A1, but this does not even mean kinship ...
        1. Riv
          Riv 8 December 2015 11: 12 New
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          Grammar of Turkic ??? Do not make us laugh like that ... :)))
          So be it. If you want to consider the Slavs as vagrants without a clan and tribe, consider it.
          1. War and Peace
            War and Peace 8 December 2015 11: 22 New
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            Quote: Riv
            Grammar of Turkic ??? Do not make us laugh like that ..


            in Turkic, that there is no grammar? what's the matter?
            1. Riv
              Riv 8 December 2015 13: 15 New
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              Do not understand the joke? It's a pity. You rarely hear such nonsense ...
              The fact is that the modern languages ​​of the Turkic group with the ancient Turkic have less in common than Russian with the Church Slavonic. They and each other are very seriously different. And the monuments of the ancient Türkic writing are very few and reasonable to assume how the ancient Türkic phrases sounded on their basis is impossible.
              So of course there is a grammar, but this mystery is shrouded in darkness. And you also compare modern Russian with Turkic languages, without even indicating what it is about.

              Speaking of birds ... On my own experience, I was convinced that it is much easier to learn Tatar Russian in everyday life than German. You even begin to think in Tatar in a year, and you can easily switch from language to language.
              1. Down House
                Down House 8 December 2015 18: 58 New
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                Quote: Riv
                From my own experience I was convinced that it is much easier to learn Tatar in Russian in everyday life than German. You even begin to think in Tatar in a year, and you can easily switch from language to language.

                Of course, I'm not a specialist in languages, but my wife has relatives in Tatarstan, and how many times I have not been there, I have not noticed something that the Russians "learned" Tatar.
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          3. Down House
            Down House 8 December 2015 18: 55 New
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            Quote: Riv
            If you want to consider the Slavs as vagrants without a clan and tribe, consider it.

            Yes, damn it, more than 1000 years ago, according to official history, our ancestors laid the foundations of the statehood of the future one of the greatest Empires in the history of mankind, while the same Germany was born less than 200 years ago and the United States was born less than 300 years ago - and for you and "more than 1000 years" of our history, do you see "without a kin without a tribe"!
            You this, that, for edge of adequacy of perception of the world do not swim please hi
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      3. Sirgrey
        Sirgrey 8 December 2015 23: 31 New
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        Quote: Riv
        Slavs, as a formed people, are mentioned from the sixth century.

        So.
        And I call the ancestors of all Slavs SERB. And there is a corresponding legend about the brothers Lech, Cech and Ruse
        1. topical
          topical 9 December 2015 00: 39 New
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          Quote: SirGrey
          And I call the ancestors of all Slavs SERB

          Genetically so-called Southern Slavs have nothing to do with Slavs. Only cultural kinship.
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya 9 December 2015 05: 46 New
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            Well, why? Halogen groups L1 L2 are Slavic, the so-called Balkan halogen groups ... These are halogen groups of ancient Venets from which the so-called Polab Slavs went ...
            1. topical
              topical 9 December 2015 10: 43 New
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              Quote: Aposlya
              The halogen groups L1 L2 are Slavic, the so-called Balkan halogen groups ...

              About L1 and L2 I will not tell you. And I’ll say about E1b and I2a1. I also recommend seeing how many representatives of these haplogroups are in Russia. And how many representatives of the Slavic haplogroup R1a in the Balkans.
              1. topical
                topical 9 December 2015 10: 48 New
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                And also I2a1. I already laid out the R1a map on this branch.
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              3. Aposlya
                Aposlya 12 December 2015 18: 27 New
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                Quote: topic
                And how many representatives of the Slavic haplogroup R1a in the Balkans.


                And where did you get the idea that the halogen group R1a is Slavic ?! Just because someone Klesov thinks so? So I will disappoint you, the scientists involved in genetics themselves say that Klesov is an ordinary freak and nothing more ... R1a is not a Slavic halogen group at all, otherwise the Kyrgyz are not Türks, but purebred Slavs, since this year they have over 80%!
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          2. but still
            but still 10 December 2015 01: 53 New
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            Genetically so-called Southern Slavs have nothing to do with Slavs. Only cultural kinship.


            Absolutely right! In general, it is time to revise "Slavism" - this is a term denoting a group of peoples artificially gathered under one head for political purposes.
            1. but still
              but still 10 December 2015 02: 24 New
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              As for the "Slavic" language group, its name should be Slovenian - in the beginning there was WORD. And the word came from the Old Bulgarian language. Also, the term "Church Slavonic" language is also political. In fact, this language is Old Bulgarian.
        2. venaya
          venaya 9 December 2015 02: 38 New
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          Quote: SirGrey
          I call the progenitors of all Slavs the SERBES. And there is a corresponding legend about the brothers Lech, Cech and Ruse

          The problem is that the Serbs themselves say that their country was previously called "Raska" (little Russia), even the city with this name has remained to this day. There, since the time of the "Tripoli culture" in the excavations of the "Vinca culture", it is 18 km from Belgrade that a sargofag was dug up with inscriptions on its lid reminiscent of modern Russian writing, but closer to the Etruscan form of writing. The text is large, I managed to read it myself (I already had experience in Etruscan writing), I remember the phrase "Zhivina Rus". There is an assumption that the term "Slavs" itself comes from the Etruscan "falcon" (falcons, in modern times), African savages Latins with their inferior language and primitive writing created by them by the Etruscans, distorted the original sound of this word to "sklaven", which became widespread spread from the XNUMXth century. Later, the term acquired the now familiar sound of "Slavs". While there is only such a story of the origin of this word, everything else is from the evil one and is not confirmed by anything.
        3. Aposlya
          Aposlya 9 December 2015 05: 45 New
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          Quote: SirGrey
          And there is a corresponding legend about the brothers Lech, Cech and Ruse


          it’s not a legend, but rather someone’s tale ...
      4. Aleksander
        Aleksander 9 December 2015 05: 42 New
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        Quote: Riv
        Yes, because the Russian language is Turkic and is, only by now very much changed

        Clear. And the Negro, and the Chinese, and the white, and the Latinos - all the descendants of Adam and Eve - "only very changed" yes
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    3. xtur
      xtur 8 December 2015 13: 32 New
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      > Rejection of the attitudes that the West imposed on us, about the "secondary", "inferiority" of the Russians, who are supposedly the outskirts of European civilization and are "spoiled" by Asiaticism.

      To start such a pretentious conversation, and not to know / not to mention that Russian culture comes from the Byzantine culture, which was Greek + Roman culture, but alive, unlike the Western Roman Empire, was already dead at the time when Western Europe started something to adopt.

      Why, as a variety, instead of a bunch of unsubstantiated statements (there are no references to primary sources, there is no evidence for statements), first, do not use the correct genealogy of Russian culture at its closest to the modern point - not start / restore the true line of cultural continuity from Byzantium.

      Moreover, it was in the Eastern Roman Empire that the influence of the Slavs was enormous, and many deep Slavic features were learned / processed already within the framework of the Byzantine culture, thereby saving the Slavs themselves a whole historical era for the modernization and adaptation of their culture to European culture

      > It is necessary to realize that history is part of geopolitics, the Great Game of Leadership on the Planet.

      well yes. This must be repeated often to remember, along with argumentation - in modern terminology, this is an integral part of hybrid warfare.

      > As long as we follow other people's guidelines and do not have "our own" history (respectively, and politics), we are doomed to failure.

      Not necessarily, but because it is part of the ongoing war, it’s also necessary to fight on this front line
      1. Down House
        Down House 8 December 2015 19: 00 New
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        Quote: xtur
        First, do not use the correct pedigree of Russian culture in its closest to the modern point - do not start / restore the true line of culture continuity from Byzantium.

        Golden words!
        I may be wrong, of course, but if my knowledge does not let me down, then we have 100500 times more reason to consider ourselves the successors of Ancient Rome than those modern "Italians".
  • Penzuck
    Penzuck 8 December 2015 09: 10 New
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    Quote: Riv
    Nikitin goes from Russian to Turkic and back, as from native to native.

    Anything is possible, but a number of questions arise: 1. year. - who in this year was engaged in publishing and census books, the answer is monasteries, monks.
    2. What elements of narration besides the glorification of God do Nikitin have in the Turkic? The answer is the cost of cheap walking women in india ... (vivid example)
    3. If a Russian merchant assumed that a scribal monk (and interpreters are rare) would read "Walking", would he describe the sin in Russian? Conclusion - I would not.

    4. Who is A. Nikitin - MERCHANT. Whether he is Tatar or not, he must know Tatar for business ...
    5. Nikitin - middle name. Nikita is an Orthodox name. Athanasius is also a Christian.
    6. "It was first in Russian literature description not a pilgrimage, but a commercial trip, "
    1. Riv
      Riv 8 December 2015 15: 01 New
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      Yes, not Tatar, but Turkic. Well, a person cannot pass from language to language in a phrase like this, if he does not know both languages ​​perfectly. Indeed, even in prayer the Turkic and Russian phrases are mixed up:

      “Yes, I prayed to Esmi the Almighty Christ, who created heaven and earth, and Esmi did not call anyone by name, god Olo, God Kerim, God Ragim, God move, God aka take, God the king of glory, Olo boiled, Ollo senesen Senso ollo you”

      So maybe it’s not necessary to reinvent the wheel, but simply admit that Turkic and Russian at the time were one and the same and they differed less than now Ukrainian and tarsian?
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 8 December 2015 20: 08 New
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        Where does this "prayer" come from? In which church can you hear it, in which prayer book to read it?
        1. Riv
          Riv 8 December 2015 23: 12 New
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          Yeah ... In the church ... :) Rather, in the mosque.
  • rexby63
    rexby63 8 December 2015 20: 41 New
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    I do not presume to judge about the bilingualism of "Walking", but at the end Nikitin's prayer strongly resembles a shahadah
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  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 11: 56 New
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    Quote: Vasily50
    Or offended by Gundyaev, who called the savages of all RUSSIAN PEOPLE

    This pissing feik has been refuted 100 times.
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      1. ivankursk46
        ivankursk46 8 December 2015 14: 54 New
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        You probably haven’t watched the video for more than one minute?)
        1. War and Peace
          War and Peace 8 December 2015 15: 09 New
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          Quote: ivankursk46
          You probably haven’t watched the video for more than one minute?)


          Is this a rebuttal? to the music, dancing, scissors, this non-Russian clown. His stupid question about the culture of the Slavs in the pre-Cyril era isn’t worth even answering, although the cities of TI were already a war on Tsargrad, but it doesn’t matter, the bacchanalia that is happening with Russian history can only be understood with the help of the NEW CHRONOLOGY Fomenko and Nosovsky, therefore, let the patriarch, along with this buffoon, dance pea-on, they don’t have faith ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 16: 01 New
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            Quote: War and Peace
            Is this a rebuttal? to the music, dancing, scissors, this non-Russian clown.

            For especially smart who feiki post.
          2. ivankursk46
            ivankursk46 8 December 2015 16: 19 New
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            Yes, so that people like you are not bored to watch laughing
          3. ivankursk46
            ivankursk46 8 December 2015 16: 25 New
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            About Fomenko. There is evidence that historians lie laughing

            Official historians who thoughtlessly believe Miller repeat myths that do not stand up to criticism.
            For example, they claim that in 1991, the US military, sent by US President George W. Bush, with the support of multinational forces, attacked Iraq and defeated it, led by Saddam Hussein.
            And these same historians quite seriously argue that in 2003, the US military, sent by US President George W. Bush, with the support of multinational forces, attacked Iraq, led by Saddam Hussein, and defeated him.
            Any rational person should understand that there can be no similar, up to the details, coincidences in history. After all, the events and the names of the main participants coincide. It is quite obvious that we are talking about one event, which was artificially divided into two, which would “agitate” the story. We know very well that the president in the USA rules 4 years and can be in power no more than 2 terms, that is 8 years! And here, not only does the event fully coincide, it’s also the same president. Is he full of namesake? This is ridiculous! The pitiful bleating of official historians about the fact that it is Bush Jr., the son of Bush the Elder, who was president during the first attack, does not hold water. Everyone knows that power in the United States is not inherited.
            Yes, and why attack a second time on an already defeated country? How could the same leader remain in her after the defeat?
            So the fact that we are talking about one event, not two, can be considered proven. But what is this event? Is the war between the United States and Iraq? But they don’t have common borders, tank divisions are mentioned in the primary sources. And how can a little Iraq fight twice with the United States, and even after losing for the first time? But since we have mentioned the desert and the name of the operation “Desert Storm”, then we are just looking for a country bordering the United States and having a desert on the border. And we find this country - this is Mexico! And when we look at the map, we are convinced of the truth of our version. After all, Basra mentioned in ancient sources is the distorted name of the border Mexican town of Banderas, and Tierra Blanca is clearly Baghdad.


            http://sha-julin.livejournal.com/1546.html
            1. Down House
              Down House 8 December 2015 19: 03 New
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              Quote: ivankursk46
              About Fomenko. There is evidence that historians lie

              Regarding Fomenko, there are medical conclusions that excessive immersion in higher mathematics leads to the complete impossibility of adequately perceiving the surrounding material reality. laughing
        2. a housewife
          a housewife 8 December 2015 20: 48 New
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          For having ears!
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  • War and Peace
    War and Peace 8 December 2015 09: 52 New
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    Samsonov sets out quite logical thoughts, probably tired of repeating nonsense after the Germans ...
    As a result, it was found that Berlin, like other "ancient German" cities, stands on the site of Slavic Russian settlements, and all of Germany is based on the ashes of the Slavic civilization of Central Europe, which was destroyed by fire and sword.

    this question is the main and interesting, HOW HAS THE DESTRUCTION AND PLEASURE OF THE SLAVES HAPPENED? How could this be if the Slavs were the main population of Europe? Who conquered the Slavs? How did the religion change, from the religion of RUSSIAN GODS to the religion of the Jewish god? Is it logical that the Russians voluntarily abandon the religion of their own ancestors, whom they revered so much?
    A millennium ago, according to scientists, there were at least 10 million Slavs.

    I think now there are as many pure Russians, the rest are as if Russian ...
    When we begin to compare the languages ​​of the Indo-European family with the language of the Indo-European-Aryans, it turns out that the closest to the original Indo-European is neither Latin, nor Greek, nor German, but Sanskrit and Russian.

    Yes, this is a puncture in German science, Sanskrit and Russian are similar, but German-Yiddish -NO, by the way the question
    -all languages ​​-nationals have relatives, there is a group of Slavic peoples, there is a group of Germanic peoples, Romance, Finougorsk, Turkic, Arabic, and WHY is there no group IN THE MOST ANCIENT EUROPEAN LANGUAGE OF GREEK? there are Greeks themselves on a small piece of Europe and EVERYTHING, they have no relatives, although there was a GREAT BYZANTINE in history! and the campaigns of the great Alexander! it would seem that the Greeks should have settled like ajaryk in the garden. So who were these "ancient Greeks"? maybe just BITS-MOUNTAINS, what is this again a lie?
    1. Spnsr
      Spnsr 8 December 2015 14: 21 New
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      Quote: War and Peace

      this question is the main and interesting, HOW HAS THE DESTRUCTION AND PLEASURE OF THE SLAVES HAPPENED? How could this be if the Slavs were the main population of Europe? Who conquered the Slavs? How did the religion change, from the religion of RUSSIAN GODS to the religion of the Jewish god? Is it logical that the Russians voluntarily abandon the religion of their own ancestors, whom they revered so much?

      Do you think it could not be the same as with Ukraine? nobody captured or conquered anyone, but simply as a resident of Ukraine decided to get rid of "slavery"! ...
      1. War and Peace
        War and Peace 8 December 2015 14: 38 New
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        Quote: SpnSr
        Do you think it could not be the same as with Ukraine? nobody captured or conquered anyone, but simply as a resident of Ukraine decided to get rid of "slavery"!


        in Ukraine, the whole elite and business are all Jews, in Russia the same thing ...
        1. Spnsr
          Spnsr 8 December 2015 16: 50 New
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          Quote: War and Peace
          in Ukraine, the whole elite and business are all Jews, in Russia the same thing ...

          belay quieter you, and now begins about the conspiracy!
          but in general, the denial of a similar situation in those days is simply wrong! I personally doubt that someone had captured them by force, especially another nation, the Romanovs knew what they were talking about, and there was a wave of Slavophilism, this was because there was nobody to capture, since Europe was settled by the Slavs, some are just starting to forget, and before even the Poles, with their Russophobia, said that the Slavs, someone earlier someone later stopped remembering their origin, someone immediately, like the Ukrainians!
    2. Down House
      Down House 8 December 2015 19: 07 New
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      Quote: War and Peace
      How could this be if the Slavs were the main population of Europe?

      Is it true ?!
      And the Neanderthals ?!
      And the great migration of peoples ?!
      And the same damn Huns who "prevented" everyone, too, probably were Slavs ?! laughing
      Quote: War and Peace
      I think now there are as many pure Russians, the rest are as if Russian

      Oh, what news! Yes, it’s time to give you the Shnobel Prize in Genetics-History, under the choir of British scientists laughing
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  • qwert
    qwert 8 December 2015 10: 19 New
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    The article is interesting. It is a pity the author did not give references to the source.


    Quote: Vasily50
    was it really a revelation that the written history of RUSSIA and RUSSIANS was destroyed by the Romanovs together with the clergy?

    Well, these are not revelations. Many serious books and works have been written about this. Moreover, the main part of the sources was cleaned up by the Germans, whom Peter-I hired to write the history of Russia.
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 8 December 2015 11: 16 New
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      At first in the Russian Federation were
      1. Kimmeritsy
      2. Scythians
      3. Celts
      4. Varangians
      5. Rus
      1. Pomeranian
        Pomeranian 8 December 2015 14: 13 New
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        Interesting. Where did the Goths go? And, by the way, one of the Gothic kings was natural, and not fabulous Koshchei the Immortal.
        1. atalef
          atalef 8 December 2015 14: 15 New
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          Quote: Pomoryanin
          Interesting. Where did the Goths go? And, by the way, one of the Gothic kings was natural, and not fabulous Koshchei the Immortal.


          and these goths are real too. wassat
          1. but still
            but still 8 December 2015 17: 18 New
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            It’s funny to make fun of, but the question for you - Ashkenazi - are the descendants of the Khazars? winked Or do you adhere to the Rhine theory? wassat

            But part of the Goths was settled in Thrace. And there Ulfila composed the alphabet, which the Germans consider their own, and translated the Bible into the Gothic. Goths - Geths - Tailcoats - Jordan ... fellow
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        3. JonnyT
          JonnyT 8 December 2015 14: 36 New
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          Quote: Pomoryanin
          Interesting. Where did the Goths go? And, by the way, one of the Gothic kings was natural, and not fabulous Koshchei the Immortal.


          The Goths are East Germanic tribes who lived in the 1st century on the southern coast of the Baltic Sea and in the lower reaches of the Vistula River, where they migrated from the Scandinavian Peninsula. From the end of the II century, they began to move south and settled in the territories from the Don River to the Danube River. Since the III century there has been a division into Visigoths (Visigoths, Tervinges). and Ostrogoths (Ostrogoths, Greattungs)

          The Goths did not have a significant impact on the formation of the peoples and tribes that inhabited the territory of present-day Russia. Small groups of Goths survived until the XII century on the Black Sea coast, the Taman Peninsula and on the territory of Crimea. They are mentioned in the "Lay of Igor's Host". More passionate peoples swallowed them up
        4. Down House
          Down House 8 December 2015 19: 10 New
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          Quote: Pomoryanin
          And, by the way, one of the Gothic kings was natural, and not fabulous Koshchei the Immortal.

          And he was not the case of great-great-great-great-grandfather Graf Dracula there ?! laughing
    2. GAF
      GAF 8 December 2015 13: 06 New
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      Quote: qwert
      The article is interesting. It is a pity the author did not give references to the source.

      In terms of language. In his remarkable introductory article to the 4-volume dictionary, (M. AST. Astral, 2000.). IN AND. The distance on page XVII in the borrowing section directly indicates that more than half of purely Russian words have a common root basis with Sanskrit.
    3. Down House
      Down House 8 December 2015 19: 09 New
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      Quote: qwert
      It is a pity the author did not give references to the source.

      Drug advertising is prohibited by the legislation of the Russian Federation hi
      Quote: qwert
      Many serious books and works have been written about this. Moreover, the main part of the sources was cleaned up by the Germans,

      That is, "serious sources" have been destroyed, but the memory of them lives on ?! laughing
  • Egevich
    Egevich 8 December 2015 13: 51 New
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    Quote: fraer
    (((Destroy "the most rebellious people on Earth" - Russians, preserving the linguistic, anthropological and spiritual signs of the first people.))))
    The first words of the video "The place of birth of a person is recorded in his passport"
    But there is the only mention that this is a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation.
    And not a word that I am Russian.
    Here it is a visual erosion of Russian identity.

    Well, your lie is ... there is a birth certificate. it will be more important than a passport. it indicates the nationality of the parents. there is a certificate of marriage. where, again, the nationality of the married is indicated.
  • Down House
    Down House 8 December 2015 15: 24 New
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    Quote: fraer
    But there is the only mention that this is a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation.
    And not a word that I am Russian.
    Here it is a visual erosion of Russian identity.

    Well, in general, our state is the Russian Federation, and we, respectively, are citizens of the Russian Federation - and you have some kind of weak "identity" that can die without being mentioned in your passport laughing
    1. fraer
      fraer 8 December 2015 16: 31 New
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      Quote: Down House
      Quote: fraer
      But there is the only mention that this is a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation.
      And not a word that I am Russian.
      Here it is a visual erosion of Russian identity.

      Well, in general, our state is the Russian Federation, and we, respectively, are citizens of the Russian Federation - and you have some kind of weak "identity" that can die without being mentioned in your passport laughing

      Well, I see your identity a mile away. lol Without looking in his pants. lol
      1. Down House
        Down House 8 December 2015 19: 16 New
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        Quote: fraer
        Well, I see your identity a mile away.

        Yes, any foreigner, even if he is an Autralian alcoholic, with 100% accuracy identifies a European-looking man with Russian citizenship as RUSSIAN by nationality - and for some reason there will be no flattery for him in his underpants laughing
  • Sirgrey
    Sirgrey 8 December 2015 21: 59 New
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    From the same you are strange)) Well, why if you keep history, then necessarily to the "ancient ukrov" or Pithecanthropus. A rare people can trace their roots to the 5th century.
    Everything in our history is clear, not everything is "beautiful" but understandable.
    The Byzantine annals (and at that time almost the only civilized people) distinguished 2 peoples - the Russians and the Russians.
    Ross is a subordinate tribe, medium height, dark eyes and hair.
    Russ is the ruling tribe, tall, blond eyes and hair.
    So Russ is Normans.
    Slav in many European languages ​​is consonant with the word slave. Slav and slave in English, etc. This primarily concerned the Serbs-Bulgarians, where they went for slaves.
    Our story turned out differently. The Normans went to Gardarica (Country of Cities) and seized their possessions. A simple king with 1 ship became a prince.
    On the one hand, this is unpleasant, but on the other, we are the descendants of both of these, long and firmly mixing the blood of Russians and Russians - Russia-Russia was born.
    1. Down House
      Down House 8 December 2015 22: 35 New
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      Quote: SirGrey
      Ross is a subordinate tribe, medium height, dark eyes and hair.
      Russ is the ruling tribe, tall, blond eyes and hair.

      Where is the information from ?! I hear the first time.
      With the Slavs, it is most likely true, in Arabic sources, for example, it was indicated that the Rus live north of the Slavs and trade them in slavery, passing through earlier through their lands to the south.
      Slavs, this is somewhere "from Kiev and to the south" and Russia, it is somewhere "north to Novgorod" laughing
      1. Sirgrey
        Sirgrey 8 December 2015 23: 00 New
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        Yes, even from here
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%8C_(%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE
        % D0% B4)
        The origin of the ethnonym "Rus" is derived from the Old Icelandic word Róþsmenn or Róþskarlar - "rowers, sailors" and the word "ruotsi / rootsi" among Finns and Estonians, meaning Sweden in their languages
        The same term "prince" is "konung" or "könig"
        1. Down House
          Down House 9 December 2015 00: 55 New
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          Quote: SirGrey
          Yes, even from here

          If you're talking about Norman theory, then this is one of the theories, and unlikely.
          It sounds more likely that Rurik was the closest or most worthy relative of Gostomysl, who had a Scandinavian origin - then it was normal for the nobility of different peoples to "exchange" children.
          There is no question of any "violence" by the Normans over "Russia".
    2. atalef
      atalef 8 December 2015 22: 42 New
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      Quote: SirGrey
      Rossi subordinate tribe, medium height, dark eyes and hair.
      Russ ruling tribe, tall stature blond eyes and hair.

      but nothing has been written about these?
      Opossum (Didelphidae) - a family of mammals of the marsupial marsupial. It includes the oldest and least specialized marsupials, which appeared at the end of the Cretaceous period and since then have hardly changed. All living representatives of the possum family inhabit the New World, although fossil forms are known from the tertiary deposits of Europe
  • Aposlya
    Aposlya 9 December 2015 05: 36 New
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    Who are the Russians ?! At a court ball, Emperor Nicholas I addressed the author of one of the most popular books in the West about Russia (Russophobic) to the Marquis de Custine:

    “Do you think all these people around us are Russians?”
    - Of course, Your Majesty ...
    “And here it is.” This is a Tatar, this is a German, this is a Pole, this is a Georgian, and there is a Jew and Moldovan.
    “But then who are the Russians here, Your Majesty?”
    - But together they are RUSSIAN!
    1. but still
      but still 10 December 2015 02: 45 New
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      But together they are RUSSIAN!


      good Russians - carriers of the "Russian world"
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 15 December 2015 19: 11 New
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    In the epigraph to one of his songs, Boris Gordon said. "Russian is not blood, Russian is conscience above reason. To be brought up in the traditions of European pragmatism, but when necessary, throw a grenade under a tank." Russian is a mentality. Truth, Boris said. And to look for "who is the best and purer in blood, insanity. You need to know history, I do not argue. But, empires are strong, only by the cohesion of peoples."
  • Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 8 December 2015 07: 34 New
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    I do not want to prove anything, just one single fact. The center of the Slavic ethnic group, Asgard of Iria, arose on the shores of Iria (Irtysh) long before the baptism of Russia, and all the more so as Ermak’s troops crossed the Ural Mountains. Now on the site of Asgard is the city of Omsk!
    History was reworked more than once: first the Romanovs, later the Bolsheviks, now "brilliant Ukrainians". Slavic civilization is the oldest on earth!
    1. Glot
      Glot 8 December 2015 08: 48 New
      0
      The center of the Slavic ethnic group, Asgard of Iria, arose on the shores of Iria (Irtysh) long before the baptism of Russia, and all the more so as Ermak’s troops crossed the Ural Mountains. Now on the site of Asgard is the city of Omsk!


      It is clear where One with Thor and Loki hung out - in Omsk. laughing
      1. andj61
        andj61 8 December 2015 09: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: Glot
        It is clear where One with Thor and Loki hung out - in Omsk.

        Well, Loki was originally from the Jotuns, the giants. He was hanging out, but he had nothing to do with Slavic Russians. laughing
    2. IS-80
      IS-80 8 December 2015 09: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      Now on the site of Asgard is the city of Omsk!

      Nothing of the kind has already been reliably established; Omskguard is even more ancient. Asgard was built on the ruins of Great Omskguard after the Flood. Then they returned the old name.
      1. Pomeranian
        Pomeranian 8 December 2015 14: 15 New
        -2
        Asgard is actually located in Northern Iran.
        1. atalef
          atalef 8 December 2015 14: 18 New
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          Quote: Pomoryanin
          Asgard is actually located in Northern Iran.


          Northern Iran is populated by ethnic Azerbaijanis
          Azerbaijanis Russian ancestors good
          Padded jacket - you will definitely like it. That's probably why you call yourself a Russian laughing
          1. andj61
            andj61 8 December 2015 15: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Northern Iran is populated by ethnic Azerbaijanis
            Azerbaijanis Russian ancestors

            hi Azerbaijanis came there, like the Turks. And there lived the Semites, Armenians, Persians, etc. The Türks came recently by historical standards - only less than a thousand years ago, and they came from the Great Steppe.
            And we are brothers with the Jews. Aramaic brothers! laughing yes And an article corresponding, confirming this fact, was published recently at VO ... wink http://topwar.ru/85196-arameyskoe-bratstvo.html#comment-id-5149680
    3. Sirgrey
      Sirgrey 8 December 2015 23: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      The center of the Slavic ethnic group - Asgard of Iria arose on the shores of Iria (Irtysh)

      Yeah)) This is when Thor Heyerdahl rolled down from the coils and started looking for the Norwegian ancestral home. Note the Norwegians, but not as Russian
  • ratfly
    ratfly 8 December 2015 07: 42 New
    0
    There is currently no actual material on this topic. This is a matter for the future. The past is the business of the future. It's funny
    1. venaya
      venaya 8 December 2015 11: 26 New
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      Quote: ratfly
      There is currently no actual material on this topic.

      "Who wants - he is looking for opportunities, who does not want - he is looking for reasons" - a common story. Matarialov is a dime a dozen, but otherwise there are continuous problems with publication. Those who usually own publishers are interested in promoting their version according to the principle: "Every sandpiper praises his swamp" - this is too noticeable.
  • bad
    bad 8 December 2015 07: 44 New
    +7
    Thus, we come to the origins of the history of mankind, the first people of our planet and the first language, the ancestral homeland of the white race. All this is still waiting for its researchers. However, the truth about the true history of mankind and the history of the Russian people is a question of geopolitics. It completely turns the view of our past. Leads to the idea that, perhaps, our human civilization is not the first on Earth. Destroys all the basics of the biblical concept and the German-Romance school. Therefore, they try to hide this truth and discredit and discredit them by launching fake fakes, like the myth of the “ancient Ukrakh”.
    ... always lied about us .. the British especially, then the Germans, and now they are trying to write another dirty story about us .. I hate them ..
    1. Rivares
      Rivares 8 December 2015 16: 34 New
      0
      "But the sky of the Slavs boils in our veins"
      SKY in Old Russian Net God
      HEAVEN - NOT HEAVEN
      as distorted, these concepts are mixed.
    2. Litsvin
      Litsvin 8 December 2015 23: 58 New
      +2
      Yes, the Slav is pretty - lepota, Rusa with hair, eyebrows allied. And her sword is historically correct - the "late" ancient Roman gladius, then it was widespread in Byzantium. The Slavs fought with him "for Rome and Byzantium" and "against Rome and Byzantium." The Slavs, along with the Germans, were the best warriors and were valued both in the Roman Empire and later in Byzantium.
      And what about lied about us - "it was not the British who lied or the Germans", but the Jewish Masons - those who have been trying to rule the "Western world" over the past centuries. They also unleashed wars - and the invasion of Napoleon, and the Crimean War, and the Turks constantly set against us, and the Japanese, who fought "on credit" with the money of the Anglo-American Jewish elite, and they made a coup in Russia in 1917, and the First they "organized" the world and the Second - profited from the European massacre and tens of millions of killed Russians, Belarusians, British, the same Germans, French, etc. The impoverished USA before World War II was the main debtor, after 2 it became the main creditor, and European countries were bloodless. The US concept of destruction, enslavement of the Western world by creating a society of thoughtless consumption, various Gomosyat unions, the destruction of Christian churches and their replacement by sects, the substitution of good for evil will continue. Everything according to the Talmud - do not spare the goy (slave, subhuman), take his property, take his wife, the children of the goy are also goy by birth ("Mein Kampf" Hitler wrote from the Talmud, everything was invented before him, he did not even write his own work would be because of the scarcity of his own mind. "The theme" was suggested to him in 1945 by his overseas patrons and sponors from the ruling financial and political elite of the United States). But how much the rope does not twist, all the same to the "henchmen of the golden calf" God will "break the neck" and at the Judgment will say: "And I will repay !!!"
  • gla172
    gla172 8 December 2015 07: 56 New
    +1
    Russia is a unique country, unique in every respect. Take at least the name of the country and ... a whole layer of information will pop up about which most of the inhabitants of Russia do not have the slightest idea. The name of the country - Russia, arose from another word - Russ, which, in turn, was formed from the name of Russ.
    Russian history has more than seven and a half thousand years of a new era that came after the victory in a difficult war with Ancient China. And the symbol of this victory was the Russian warrior, piercing the snake with a spear, now known as George the Victorious. The meaning of this symbol has never been explained. Ancient China in the past was called not only Arimia, but also the country of the Great Dragon. The figurative name of the country of the Great Dragon has been preserved for China so far. The Great Russenia defeated Ancient China - Arimia. This event occurred 7511 years ago. The victory was so significant and difficult that the Day of Creation (conclusion of a peace treaty) on September 22 according to the Christian calendar, our ancestors chose a new, turning point in their history. According to this Slavic calendar, now is summer, year 7511 from S.M. (Creations of the World). You can read about this and many other mysteries of Russian history in the books of Nikolai Levashov.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 8 December 2015 12: 50 New
      +2
      "a serpent piercing with a spear, now known as St. George the Victorious." /////

      St. George the Victorious Greek. Άγιος Γεώργιος) - Christian saint, great martyr,
      the most revered saint of this name. He suffered during the reign of Emperor Diocletian, after eight days of grievous torment in the year 303 (304) he was beheaded.

      According to the life, St. George was born in the III century in a family of Christians in Lydda, Palestine.
      One of the most famous posthumous miracles of St. George is the killing of a serpent (dragon) with a spear, which devastated the land of a pagan king in Beirut.
    2. atalef
      atalef 8 December 2015 13: 28 New
      0
      But the Chinese do not talk about this - because it is a shame.
      Quote: gla172
      Russian history has more than seven and a half thousand years of a new era that came after the victory in a difficult war with Ancient China.

      Why not Korea?

      Quote: gla172
      And the symbol of this victory was the Russian warrior, piercing the snake with a spear, now known as George the Victorious

      And the symbol of Korea, Kim Jong-un - tearing the mouth of Samsung

      Quote: gla172
      The meaning of this symbol has never been explained.

      Quote: gla172
      . The Great Russenia defeated Ancient China - Arimia. This event occurred 7511 years ago.


      But the Chinese do not talk about this - because it is a shame.

      Quote: gla172
      According to this Slavic calendar, now is summer, year 7511 from S.M. (Creations of the World). You can read about this and many other mysteries of Russian history in the books of Nikolai Levashov.


      calm down, it is WINTER now and you can see it by looking out the window.
      .
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 8 December 2015 13: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        And the symbol of Korea, Kim Jong-un - tearing the mouth of Samsung

        Rzhu .. after that comment on the Ukrainians to mock - protoukrov will even be ashamed ..
        Judging by the Avatar - rock against drugs, these are bees against honey ...
      2. gla172
        gla172 8 December 2015 20: 02 New
        +4
        It turns out interestingly that the history of the Russian people is written by all and sundry - the Germans, the Jews, etc. Are the Russians so primitive that they can no longer write their own history - they invite “Varangian” historians! No, it turns out that there were Lomonosov, Tatishchev and many others during the imperial period, Gumilyov, Gusev, Demin and others - in the Soviet and post-Soviet periods. Neither Lomonosov nor Tatishchev could publish their historical works during their lifetime, they were simply not allowed to do it. Only after their death their works were “creatively revised” and published by the same Bayer, Miller and Co. LN Gumilyov spent his best years in a concentration camp, and historians do not want to pay attention to Fomenko and others for one simple reason ... They are not graduates, but the "graduates" themselves, for the most part, have never seen the original historical documents and their "diplomas" received, repeating someone's "authoritative opinion", which no one proved to anyone, and did not even consider it necessary to do so.
      3. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 8 December 2015 21: 43 New
        +1
        atalef "And the Chinese do not talk about it - because they are ashamed."
        Hmmm .... it's just a shame.)))))
    3. ivankursk46
      ivankursk46 8 December 2015 15: 39 New
      +1
      Only with this is Byzantium here? The chronology of the creation of the world is the Byzantine chronology)

      The era of Constantinople, the Byzantine era, the old Russian era, “from Adam”, the March style — the chronology system “From the Creation of the World”, which Orthodox theologians belonged to Friday - the sixth day of creation, calculated according to the Septuagint as 1 in March 5508 BC. e., and later as Saturday 1 September 5509 year BC. er (September style). Starting from the 7th century, it gradually became the current chronological system in the Byzantine Empire and throughout the Orthodox world, for example, in Serbia and Bulgaria. It was used, in particular, in Russian chronicles (with some errors in 1 — 2 of the year related to the dates of the first day of the new year and other problems), as well as in Russia in general until the calendar reform of Peter I in 1700.



      About the fact that there are no sources confirming this event, I will not say anything)
      My dear, you reread Levashov on the whole head)
      1. Rivares
        Rivares 8 December 2015 16: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: ivankursk46
        My dear, you reread Levashov on the whole head)

        Interestingly, at the mention of Academician Levashov, the Israelites immediately intensified .... It seems they really do not like the topics that he studied. We must take a closer look at what they especially do not like in his works))))
        1. ivankursk46
          ivankursk46 8 December 2015 16: 58 New
          -4
          They probably also want to learn how to close ozone holes and prevent accidents at nuclear power plants by the power of thought. Well, to do other miracles that this superman was capable of laughing
        2. Down House
          Down House 8 December 2015 19: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Rivares
          It seems they really do not like the topics that he studied.

          And it never occurred to you that it is ridiculous for people who are relatively unbiased about this topic to read stories about the fact that the Great Slavic Empire turns out to be before the Stone Age? fellow
          True, the question remains, if the Russian State had enough 1000 years from the first alphabet to the nuclear bomb, then what was the Proto-Russian State doing for "tens of thousands of years" ?! laughing
    4. Down House
      Down House 8 December 2015 19: 42 New
      0
      Quote: gla172
      Russian history has more than seven and a half thousand years of a new era that came after the victory in a difficult war with Ancient China.

      To go nuts, Thank God that the Chinese themselves don’t know anything about it, then they would definitely be crazy, they and the dynasties they know cannot learn who, when and where in the territory of modern China, rules, and you add thousands of years to them and territory to the Urals laughing
      1. gla172
        gla172 8 December 2015 20: 36 New
        0
        The soul of Russia is sleeping now
         The light hour has not yet struck.
         Even dope power is strong,
         And the mortal enemy is strong for now!
         But where is the spirit that smells of Russia !?
         Where are those sons in whom this spirit lives !?
         Where are those who bring her freedom
         and breathe life into the lips of a sleeping one !?
         Really all became blind
         They can’t tell the truth!
         Really all became slaves,
         And they crave life in slavery !?
         Sons of Russia - relieve obsession!
         Wake up, Russ - greatness awaits you!
         And cast off the shining Rus,
         and gain greatness again!
         Hearts are hot and the mind is bright
         Able to free the world
         And a free spirit to revive
         And save honor and conscience!
         Russia knelt for a long time,
         It's time to get up to her full height!
         The trouble has not yet passed, -
         The millennial fast was a heavy yoke!
         Mighty ancestors, the power did not disappear,
         But he sleeps while in deep sleep.
         Svarog Night Russia passed,
         And pure light tells us that!
         Receive the light, wake up, Rus,
         Uncover strength and good within yourself.
         Only cowards are afraid of freedom of light,
         In whom conscience died long ago!
         Riddle Russian soul
         Left for the enemies forever!
         Russia has always been a mystery,
         And there is a mystery in it - human people!
         Those giants that always
         Ready to give everything in the world
         So that the homeland is alive,
         And all the children were happy ...
         Nikolai Levashov, June 15, 2008
  • 2s5giacints
    2s5giacints 8 December 2015 07: 58 New
    +8
    where do you come from such "historians" ?? where are the facts? the whole article is sucked out of the finger and some conjectures. a solid conspiracy theory, and screams out loud !!! even comments from the same opera, the British were drawn here)) learn history !! until the 16th century, they did not really represent anything of themselves. and Germany in its present form generally appeared recently, before that there were scattered kingdoms of the barony, etc., do not look for a black cat in a black room.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 8 December 2015 08: 08 New
      +7
      What amount is allocated by the state to research our history?
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 8 December 2015 08: 45 New
      +8
      The most interesting thing is that the author is breaking into an open door. No one has ever denied the similarities between Sanskrit and Russian, including the British. Further, no one writes pejoratively about Ancient Russia "there". Read the book by D. Nicholas about the warriors of Ancient Russia and calm down. Then go to the Internet and see what research is being carried out on haplogroups, hair color, eyes, skull shape. I already wrote here that there is a 20-volume ARCHEOLOGY of the USSR (History of the Second World War - 12 volumes) - read, everything is there. There is a journal ARCHEOLOGIYA USSR (Archeology of the Russian Federation). But there are special articles, without pathos and hints that, the poor, everyone was deceived, and you need to read them to a certain level. The fact that we are all from Cro-Magnons, too, no one denies. And talk about Hyperborea has also been going on for many years, but ... it remains just talk.
      There are topics that the journalists of "near-scientific history" are very fond of: "Party gold", "Hyperborea", "Hangar 18" ... The impression is that there are people who even envy "ukram". Those sculpt their "new history" from the Trypillians, who fed the whole of Europe and ... how could we not be late here! Well, from a biblical point of view, we are completely descended from Adam and Eve. Well, unless someone is sure that there were people even older, then - "yes".
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 8 December 2015 09: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        But there are special articles there, without pathos and allusions to the fact that we poor people have deceived us, and we must have a certain level of reading them.

        Yeah, Shpakovsky, here you are! I always suspected that you were one of the concealers and rewriters of history, as well as a foreign intelligence spy. Now the TRUTH has been revealed!
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 8 December 2015 09: 08 New
          +2
          Yes, you are right, but also received a grant from Soros in 1998 and lectured at it at Novosibirsk University - all ... from the throes of conscience and fearing that the FSB is already at the door, I’ll go and strangle myself in the toilet! And you will not see my articles here anymore!
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 8 December 2015 09: 11 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            Yes, you are right, but also received a grant from Soros in 1998 and lectured on it at Novosibirsk University

            Vyacheslav Olegovich if something like that, I joked. You something all very literally and take to heart. For example, the minuses to the comments greatly offended as I noticed. smile
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 8 December 2015 09: 34 New
              +3
              I was joking too! And I’m not offended by the cons! Just ... well, I do not like anonymous prosecutors, although it is clear that anonymity in this situation is the only possible thing.
    3. andj61
      andj61 8 December 2015 09: 08 New
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      Quote: 2s5giacints
      don't look for a black cat in a black room.

      Especially if she is not there! bully
    4. Sirgrey
      Sirgrey 8 December 2015 23: 27 New
      -1
      Quote: 2s5giacints
      Germany in its current form generally recently appeared, before that there were scattered kingstoms of barony

      What are you) But what about the Holy Roman Empire? Not once a German state?
      1. venaya
        venaya 9 December 2015 05: 31 New
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        Quote: SirGrey
        But what about the Holy Roman Empire? Not once a German state?

        But really, I wonder who exactly in this Holy Roman Empire was from the savages of the Germans and what percentage of Germans, in principle, could be there? As far as I know, this empire was organized by the Roman papacy and subsequently directly controlled by it. And what have the Germans to do with it?
        1. Down House
          Down House 9 December 2015 07: 37 New
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          Quote: venaya
          And what have the Germans to do with it?

          Despite the fact that, if very briefly, the Germans are in Germany, and the Germans are in the Holy Roman-Austrian Empire laughing
  • ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 8 December 2015 08: 02 New
    +1
    or we will either mobilize and make a breakthrough into the future, surprising all of humanity, or the Fourth World War will be our last


    That's for sure!
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    1. kalibr
      kalibr 8 December 2015 08: 47 New
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      They didn’t do this in Soviet times, although it would be great, right? And not because they dug a little, but simply could not!
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 8 December 2015 08: 58 New
        +1
        Once it was - they conquered space.)))
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 8 December 2015 09: 12 New
          +1
          You know there was before space ... Again, read the TRUTH (this is my obsessive quirk, I understand, but it's a very beautiful source). There, in waves: "Only the one who is a friend of the priests is ready to celebrate the tree" - this is 18 years Then the tree was allowed. But they took up arms on Easter ... And what feuilletons about crook priests? And before space and after space ... And find the facts that finally finish off the ROC - oh, no one would spare any money in the Central Committee. What is space? Here the whole church could be under attack! It didn't work out! So there was nothing to blame.
          1. Rivares
            Rivares 8 December 2015 16: 53 New
            +3
            Quote: kalibr
            Here the whole church could be put under attack! Did not work out! So there was nothing to blame.

            Well, who are you kidding here, I don't see what Lexus the sons of the priests ride in my village? You talk to ordinary people, how they treat priests. Sitting in a mansion and driving around in a Mercedes and trading in a church, it is good to rub in on all the benefits in the next world, using these benefits on this one. And I don't need to give an example about "honest" clergy. My attitude will be like honest SS men in the SS corps.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 8 December 2015 17: 16 New
              0
              they, the priests, as you put it, rub, as you put it, a completely different thing - that if you use all the blessings in this world, then there will be no blessings in the afterlife. Why should you misinterpret. An example was led by an unsuccessful one.
    2. Penzuck
      Penzuck 8 December 2015 09: 23 New
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      Quote: Darkness
      Any deeper study of Slavic history will completely undermine the authority of the Russian Orthodox Church. Because it turns out that someone is brazenly lying.

      You are all at your time ...
      1. Russians have an ancient civilization. to the first ancestor who called himself "Rus", thereby cutting himself off from the "Indo-European" root.
      2. The Mayans, Aztecs, Iroquois, Chukchi have an ancient history, and also an ancient culture ... What does this change for them?
      3. I can guarantee with 99% probability that one of your ancestors is an ogre ... be proud ....
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 8 December 2015 09: 37 New
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        Yes, if you accept the point of view that the Slavs relocated east from the Carpathians, then ... just there they found charred and nibbled bones of the Bronze Age. Not stone!
        1. Penzuck
          Penzuck 8 December 2015 10: 25 New
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          Quote: kalibr
          just there they found the charred and nibbled bones of the Bronze Age. Not stone!

          And besides, culture and civilization are conditional things. Cannibalism is either as part of a religion or a necessary measure in view of hunger, the cause of which is not so much crop failure as the underdevelopment of agriculture. Slash single-field farming. So much for being, consciousness determines you. 3 years a good harvest - and then go rob the neighbors ...
          My opinion is how people rolled in waves. From East to West and from North to South. Those. to lands more favorable for agriculture ... Hence the stratification by languages, those that remained - modernized the language and culture, and those that used to be savages, remained savages. Then the next wave of foreign languages ​​and more cultured ones came, and so on. Until "in the center of the earth" the old language was finally forgotten. Under a layer of new terms. Based on this logic, the Slavs came out of the forests as savages, since the Huns and other Goths and Scythian-Sarmatians with the Germans passed by. For one thing, they remained "pure Cro-Magnons". Gothic words Plow, Bread, Sword ... Here. The whole land was "Slavic" - and the new peoples took it away from us.
      2. Darkness
        Darkness 8 December 2015 10: 00 New
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        AND? Do you have only "chosen ones" in your relatives?
      3. War and Peace
        War and Peace 8 December 2015 10: 04 New
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        Quote: Penzuck
        The Mayans, Aztecs, Iroquois, Chukchi have an ancient history, and also an ancient culture ... What does this change for them?


        I read that the Chukchi are very warlike people and held a big bump over the local, scribes-raskaryakami, Yakuts, Aleuts and other local, but naturally until the Russian Cossack Vanya came there and built everyone according to his rank ...
        Quote: Penzuck
        . I can guarantee with a 99% probability that one of your ancestors is an eater ... be proud ..

        no you can’t, try, those who eat their own kind become a geek, and the Russian quintessence of mankind and never ate their own kind and the like, but only animals whom the gods prepared for food ...
        1. Penzuck
          Penzuck 8 December 2015 10: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: War and Peace
          no you can’t, try, those who eat their own kind become a geek, and the Russian quintessence of mankind and never ate their own kind and the like, but only animals whom the gods prepared for food ...

          Did the Old Druids tell you this? Or Cro-Magnon healers? Witnesses of the Neolithic?
        2. Down House
          Down House 8 December 2015 20: 12 New
          0
          Quote: War and Peace
          no you can not, try, those who eat their own kind become a geek

          This is you from the movie Book of Eli learned? laughing
        3. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 8 December 2015 21: 52 New
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          = war and peace "I read that chyukchi."
          The Chukchi is written through y.))) This is not to offend me.))) By the way, the Cossack Vanya the Chukchi did not conquer. Moreover, they several times they smashed our troops. From wiki
          “The Chukchi, despite the fact that they could oppose the muskets and sabers of the conquerors only with arrows and spears with bone tips, showed fierce resistance to the Russians. In March 1730, they defeated Shestakov's detachment in the Battle of Yegach, killing the Cossack's head himself. [1] The Chukchi fought three major battles, in which they suffered serious losses. ”These were really large, by Far Eastern standards, clashes, in which from both sides sometimes more than a thousand armed people participated.

          After the defeats suffered by Pavlutsky, who received the nickname "Yakunin" in Chukchi folklore, the Chukchi refused open battles with the Russians, moving on to partisan actions, continuing to fight the Koryaks and Yukagirs who accepted Russian citizenship.

          Upon learning of the war, the Senate in 1742 issued a decree: “to step on these non-peaceful Chyukchs with a military arms hand, to eradicate altogether”. Those who surrendered were ordered to "withdraw from their homes and continue to be distributed for security in the Yakutsk department to different jails and places."

          In the years 1744-1746, Pavlutsky, promoted to major, with a team of 400-650 soldiers, Cossacks and Yasak Yakagirs and Koryaks, made three trips to the Chukchi Peninsula.

          On March 14, 1747, in the battle of the Orlova River near Anadyr, the Chukchi defeated Pavlutsky's detachment. [6] On the Russian side, the major himself, 40 Cossacks and 11 Koryaks were killed in the battle. In addition, the Chukchi managed to capture the reindeer of the Anadyr garrison, weapons, ammunition and equipment of Pavlutsky's detachment, including one cannon and a banner. This defeat made a stunning impression on the Russian authorities. [7] The Senate and the Siberian Order hastily decided to transfer additional troops to Anadyr. [8] "
          But, they were not particularly conquered.)))
          "In 1885, Captain A. A. Resin, sent with an inspection, wrote:" In essence, the entire extreme north-east does not know any power over itself and is governed by itself. "
          Even in the middle of the XNUMXth century, in the code of laws of the Russian Empire, the Chukchi referred to peoples "not completely conquered" who "pay yasak, in the quantity and quality they themselves want." However, with the help of exchange trade, the authorities and entrepreneurs have learned to lure out of the Chukchi much more than with the help of taxes. "
      4. War and Peace
        War and Peace 8 December 2015 10: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Penzuck
        The Mayans, Aztecs, Iroquois, Chukchi have an ancient history, and also an ancient culture ... What does this change for them?


        I read that the Chukchi are very warlike people and held a big bump over the local, scribes-raskaryakami, Yakuts, Aleuts and other local, but naturally until the Russian Cossack Vanya came there and built everyone according to his rank ...
        Quote: Penzuck
        . I can guarantee with a 99% probability that one of your ancestors is an eater ... be proud ..

        no you can’t, try, those who eat their own kind become a geek, and the Russian quintessence of mankind and never ate their own kind and the like, but only animals whom the gods prepared for food ...
        1. Down House
          Down House 8 December 2015 20: 16 New
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          Quote: War and Peace
          but naturally until the Russian Cossack Vanya came there and built everyone according to his rank.

          Yeah, he fumbled at them from a cannon (by the way, originally not a Slavic invention), and the Chukchi, although warlike, were not fools and fled - though they took revenge laughing
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 8 December 2015 10: 52 New
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      Quote: Darkness
      Any deeper study of Slavic history will completely undermine the authority of the Russian Orthodox Church. Because it turns out that someone is brazenly lying.

      Today, the majority of people who study the history of Russia from antiquity to the present day, it is perfectly clear that falsifiers have thoroughly "worked" with our history. Even President Putin is hinting about this to us, reporting on new facts of the Battle of Kulikovo or approving the purchase of hundreds of ancient maps of Rus-Tartaria from the Western archives for the Russian Geographical Society. And the question inevitably arises: where are our official historians? Why is nothing heard of their work to restore the truth?
      The answer inevitably begs: So there is a certain Strength that is higher than the strength of our president.
      Let's try to figure it out. For this we need the method of a forensic investigator. Let's see on what foundation the current version of world history is built, and whose interests it expresses. Today's foundation of history is built on the Old Testament and the chronology of the papal "scholar" Scaliger. That is, the world history that we study at school is compiled and protected by the Vatican! And what about the history of Russia? And our history is compiled on the basis of the manuscripts of the Greek-Russian Christian Church (before the formation of the Academy of Sciences in the 18th century) and German historians invited by the Romanovs. That is, the religious authority has made up and jealously guards its own version of history, including the Russian one. And the whole foundation is based on copies of "manuscripts"! There are no originals, neither in Europe nor in Russia.
      Let's look at such a "foundation" as the Old Testament or the myths of ancient Greece (the basis of Western civilization). These myths (and the Old Testament is no different from myths) are taken on faith, at the same time the myths of Russia and other "uncivilized" peoples are ridiculed as unreal, demanding originals (we remember that today's history has no originals!).
      We are imposed on the version that all peoples descended from Jews, while genealogical science gives the genomic age of Jews 2000 years, at the same time, the first ancestor of the European Aryan in Siberia according to the analysis of the same genome - more than 51000 years.
      From this it becomes clear that the beneficiary of the current version of history, as well as its compiler is the Vatican. Or one of the branches of the Global predictor, from the point of view of BER.
      Unfortunately, the exact same picture is in the history of Russia-Russia. First, the violent baptism of Romea-Byzantium and the destruction of all pre-Christian archives, and then compiling their own religious version of history. Subsequently, with the help of the Jesuits of the Vatican and the Romanovs, the seizure of power in the 17 century, the repeated cleaning of the archives and ... the new writing of a new version of history for themselves by already learned Germans.
      The seizure of power by the Jewish Bolsheviks caused a new round of struggle with history (denial of the history of tsarism). It would seem, now, in our time, what prevents finally establishing order in the true history of our Motherland?
      Probably everyone has already come to the answer to this question. The main opponent of the restoration of our true history is the one who composed it, and even the power of the president here is so far powerless.

      Source: http://politikus.ru/articles/64910-pochemu-na-gosudarstvennom-urovne-ne-vosstana
      vlivayut-podlinnuyu-istoriyu-rusi-rossii.html
      1. War and Peace
        War and Peace 8 December 2015 11: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Today, the majority of people who study the history of Russia from antiquity to the present day, it is quite clear that falsifiers have thoroughly "worked" with our history.


        this is understandable to everyone, except for academic science, it turns out that the "scientific methodology" for TI is to stand to the death for the system, and if facts drop out of the system, then so much the worse for facts, they will be destroyed or out of sight into the storerooms of museums ...
        1. ivankursk46
          ivankursk46 8 December 2015 15: 46 New
          -2
          Come on, bring these facts, open your eyes to everyone, unless of course balabol
          1. venaya
            venaya 8 December 2015 21: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: ivankursk46
            , bring these facts, open your eyes to everyone,

            Let me give you irrefutable evidence: Academician M. Lomonosov was sentenced by the Senate of the Republic of Ingushetia to the death penalty through deportation through a soldier’s system. Reason: statement of M. Lomonosov at a meeting of the academy that the Russian people, according to the oldest Russian calendar they found, are 399 years old. Please tell me how can I refer to these documents of the Senate of the Republic of Ingushetia, is there a link on this subject on Internet sites.
        2. Rivares
          Rivares 8 December 2015 16: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: War and Peace
          this is clear to everyone, except for academic science, it turns out "scientific methodology"

          Academics also understand that silence is gold in the amount of 150 thousand per month of salary.
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 8 December 2015 20: 24 New
        0
        In what sense are we all descended from the Jews?
      3. a housewife
        a housewife 8 December 2015 20: 24 New
        0
        In what sense are we all descended from the Jews?
  • Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 8 December 2015 08: 14 New
    -9
    As if to say the least ... And what for the difference is where we came from and who we are at all? I am in Penza, near the friendship bridge on the embankment, I read good lines ..
    It doesn’t matter what happened an hour or a year ago.
    The important thing is what will happen in the next second.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 8 December 2015 08: 28 New
      +5
      How would it be softer to answer ...
      These lines were written by a minor.
      1. fraer
        fraer 8 December 2015 08: 50 New
        +6
        Quote: Darkness
        These lines were written by a minor.

        More precisely low-chill.
        To conquer a people, you need to destroy its history.
        And when they become Vanka not knowing kinship, then they will be tame.
        1. Jozhkin Cat
          Jozhkin Cat 8 December 2015 09: 06 New
          -1
          Rave. For the people to be destroyed, it must be destroyed with alcohol and tobacco, the lack of medicine, etc. And for the country to be destroyed, the people must be made cosmopolitan, deprived of the concept of the homeland. And your whole story, written by someone and when, and personally I have no desire to believe it, I only believe in my eyes, and what do I see? but I see almost jerking off on the history of citizens who defend the horse-radish you will understand what and hell you will understand in front of whom. The story is corrupt.

          We need to live for tomorrow, and not for yesterday.
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 8 December 2015 09: 14 New
            +3
            And Motherland, where does it come from? What is the root of the word?
            1. Jozhkin Cat
              Jozhkin Cat 8 December 2015 09: 20 New
              -1
              Homeland comes from parenting, if parents do not bring up it turns liberal. But philology has nothing to do with it.
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 8 December 2015 10: 01 New
                +1
                You really don’t understand what the Motherland is or are you fooling around?
                1. Jozhkin Cat
                  Jozhkin Cat 8 December 2015 10: 08 New
                  +1
                  Enlighten)))
                2. topical
                  topical 8 December 2015 12: 52 New
                  +2
                  Yes, and I would also like to be enlightened. And then there are different definitions. Recently Nevzorov specifically walked on this subject ...
                  1. Darkness
                    Darkness 8 December 2015 15: 11 New
                    +4
                    Nevzorov is good to listen to in terms of religion.
                    Homeland - from the word Rod. A clan is your ancestors and your descendants. This is the past, present and future. The mistakes and good fortunes of the past must be taken into account in the present and build the future.
                    But for some, "homeland" is where it is warmer and more satisfying. For them in the Russian language there is an exact definition - geeks.
                    1. topical
                      topical 8 December 2015 16: 06 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Darkness
                      Nevzorov is good to listen to in terms of religion.

                      Nevzorov writes not only about religion.
                      For example, he believes that the homeland does not always exist. But only when the ruling regime needs something from the people. When there is some danger for him, the ruling regime. Or need. At this moment, this mode begins to play in the homeland, pretend to be.
                      In the rest of the time, no homeland exists at all. And there is a chain of ruling regimes in a certain territory. At these moments, these regimes appear, not as a homeland, but as a state. And the state is an apparatus of violence in the hands of the ruling class (Lenin).
                      And after all, all this is justifiably justified.
                      However, what I am retelling to you. Read for yourself: http://snob.ru/selected/entry/101266
                      1. Down House
                        Down House 8 December 2015 20: 22 New
                        -2
                        Quote: topic
                        For example, he believes that the homeland does not always exist. But only when the ruling regime needs something from the people. When there is some danger for him, the ruling regime. Or need. At this moment, this mode begins to play in the homeland, pretend to be.

                        There is logic in this, practically the whole history-culture-statehood is the history of the ruling dynasties and their assistants, the people, for the most part, were always international, their history-culture was the maximum of his house, his parents, his breakfast and dinner hi
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                    3. Down House
                      Down House 8 December 2015 20: 19 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Darkness
                      Homeland - from the word Rod. A clan is your ancestors and your descendants.

                      Cool! Help your grandparents with money ?!
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          2. fraer
            fraer 8 December 2015 10: 55 New
            +5
            Quote: Yozhkin Cat
            Rave. What would the people destroy it must be destroyed, alcohol and tobacco, lack of medicine, etc.

            All of the above you are a tool and not of the highest priority.
            Why not higher? Because you can get off all of this.
            And having made Ivan, Vanka, not knowing kinship, you can calmly drive him from his land, for he is nobody, and there is no way to call him. No wonder they distort history.
            Quote: Yozhkin Cat
            The story is corrupt.

            ITS. lol That's why you need to restore your story.
            Quote: Yozhkin Cat
            We need to live for tomorrow, and not for yesterday.

            Life is like a tree. There will be no roots and it will dry
            1. Jozhkin Cat
              Jozhkin Cat 8 December 2015 12: 39 New
              -2
              now, while the people are distracted by studying and screaming about the PAST, the future is stolen from them.
              They learn some nonsense, wasting resources, burning their lives, dusting the head with others with their FABRICATIONS and conclusions, distracting people from really useful things.
              Nobody will ever know the truth, and to bother with speculation and other people's ideas is the destiny of the “intelligentsia”
              I have the honor. soldier
            2. Riv
              Riv 8 December 2015 16: 17 New
              0
              And I liked the topic about alcohol. It turns out that John the Terrible has begun to destroy the Rus? But it didn’t work out. After his death, the Russians broke the Poles. Peter delivered the first tobacco. Also turned out to be a saboteur. However, even during his lifetime they were given the first number to the Swedes, and after his death - to the Turks and all of Europe to the heap. The Bolsheviks (scary to think!) Made no difference at all between Russians, Tatars, and Jews. As a result, Hitler was brought to suicide.

              Do not you think that they all somehow wrongly destroyed the Russian people?
    2. gla172
      gla172 8 December 2015 08: 49 New
      +4
      A people who do not know their history is doomed to death ...
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 8 December 2015 08: 58 New
        +2
        This cat is just * tiligent *. Only they have so * Mosk * arranged, everything that has nothing to do with Western culture is negligible.
        1. Jozhkin Cat
          Jozhkin Cat 8 December 2015 09: 12 New
          -1
          would you walk a wise guy in the forest. Where did I write that something is negligible?
        2. Jozhkin Cat
          Jozhkin Cat 8 December 2015 10: 34 New
          -1
          would you walk a wise guy in the forest. Where did I write that something is negligible?
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  • Riv
    Riv 8 December 2015 08: 32 New
    0
    At the sight of Ivanov's paintings, I have only one word: lyapota! From the word "blooper".
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 8 December 2015 08: 37 New
      +3
      Come from the film, the original Russia, do you faint at all?
      1. Sirgrey
        Sirgrey 8 December 2015 23: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Darkness
        Come from the film, the original Russia, do you faint at all?

        Prophetic Oleg's contract with Byzantium:
        "we ... the Ruskago clan: Karly Inegeld Farlof Veremud Rulav Gudy Ruald Karn Frelav Ruar Aktevu Truan Lidulfost Stemir"
        Are there many Slavic names here?
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 8 December 2015 09: 14 New
      +2
      What a "subtle" vision of the world around you! I advise you to see more paintings by V. Korolkov. There are even more bloopers! Have great fun!
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      2. Riv
        Riv 8 December 2015 10: 03 New
        0
        Primarily. Here's how to rewrite the New Year - immediately google.
  • Darkness
    Darkness 8 December 2015 08: 35 New
    +2
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9ORqWO_k4OI
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 8 December 2015 10: 46 New
      +4
      And what immediately did not insert the video?
  • surrozh
    surrozh 8 December 2015 08: 41 New
    +4
    Genetic studies confirm the author is right. There are few publications, documentaries, studies, discussions in the media, and widespread public interest on the topic.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 8 December 2015 08: 57 New
      +3
      It is necessary that the state allocates money not for frankly Russophobic films of Migalkov and the company, but for films where the heroism of our ancestors is praised. And pagans and Christians and atheists.
      About Svyatoslav’s campaigns, you can enjoy such a kintz that Hollywood is washed in tears.
      Making computer games is also a must.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 8 December 2015 09: 22 New
        +6
        But this is absolutely true! And then we still complain that we are being trampled? We have Svyatoslav's campaigns: where is the film? We have the Prophetic Oleg - "Your shield at the gates of Constantinople" - where is the film? There is some miserable movie about the murder of Boris and Gleb, where three adversaries are climbing the wall of Kiev. But where are the big films? And the same computer games? On this A - you can earn, B - earn a lot, C - to influence public consciousness. Where are the plastic warrior figures? Rurik, Svyatoslav, Oleg ... In Soviet times, there were beautiful sets of postcards with warrior princes - busts. Now this is not relevant, but a lot of other things you can think of. But no! What is missing - mind, desire, money? By the way, when I had the Tankomaster magazine, we made a bust of Svyatoslav and sold them to the West. But it was necessary to develop it ... and there was no money vulgarly.
        1. Riv
          Riv 8 December 2015 10: 00 New
          +1
          How many years have the Russian Navy celebrated there? But Rurik and Oleg were not sailing on Byzantine rafts chartered by the Papuans ...
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    2. kalibr
      kalibr 8 December 2015 09: 28 New
      0
      And there is no wide public interest because ... we do not live so well to be glad that we are from Hyperborea. Well, "from", and how did this affect your salary?
    3. Penzuck
      Penzuck 8 December 2015 09: 31 New
      -2
      Quote: surozh
      Genetic studies confirm the author is right.

      2% of white people on earth have some Neanderthal genes.
      The rest of 98% - 100% Cro-Magnon. ALL PEOPLE BROTHERS. URAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 8 December 2015 09: 39 New
        -1
        And, do you know that the ancestors of the French gobbled up Neanderthals?
  • radogost
    radogost 8 December 2015 08: 53 New
    +2
    We will WIN anyway because the TRUTH is ours!
    And let yourself growl, even attempts ...
    RUSSIAN DO NOT BREAK! tongue
  • Darkness
    Darkness 8 December 2015 08: 53 New
    +2
    In the atheistic USSR, they did not hesitate to make films about pagan Slavs. And they looked in them - heroes!
    Primordial Rus, the Word of Princess Olga, When the sun was God, etc.
    1. Kombrig
      Kombrig 8 December 2015 13: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Darkness
      In the atheistic USSR, they did not hesitate to make films about pagan Slavs. And they looked in them - heroes!
      Primordial Rus, the Word of Princess Olga, When the sun was God, etc.


      When the sun was God, this is a Polish film of our time ....
  • Inq
    Inq 8 December 2015 08: 57 New
    +3
    You read comments like this ... It turns out that it was the ancient Rus who dug up the Black Sea. Ukrainians are accused of all mortal sins and they behave in exactly the same way. But didn’t we build the pyramids?
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 8 December 2015 09: 15 New
      +3
      The Black Sea, at one time, was called Russian. Do not tell me why?
      1. Penzuck
        Penzuck 8 December 2015 09: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Darkness
        The Black Sea, at one time, was called Russian. Do not tell me why?

        Patamu that the German OSTSEE - "East Sea" - the Baltic Sea from the Russian side.
        Some called Russian (they), others called Baltic (we).
        Volga - Volia, used to be called Itil, and before that Ra (according to eyewitnesses laughing ) The Caspian was also called the Russian Sea (they). And about the Black Sea (Red), I finally can not say anything.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 8 December 2015 10: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Penzuck
          Some called Russian (they), others called Baltic (we).

          The Baltic Sea was called Varyazhsky.
          1. Penzuck
            Penzuck 8 December 2015 11: 08 New
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            The Baltic Sea was called Varyazhsky.

            The question is not only by whom and what was called, but WHEN!
            Before the Varangians, what was the sea called? ( wassat )
            And before the advent of the Rus?
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 8 December 2015 13: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: Penzuck
              Before the Varangians appeared, what was the sea called? (Wassat)
              And before the advent of the Rus?

              Now the main storyteller under the nickname atalef will quickly tell you and popularly explain on fingers that this sea was previously called the Judean Sea and in general Jews are the most ancient people on earth, because not so long ago they met 5776 lol
              And our famous leader of Jewish origin, Solovyov, generally argued that Jews appeared on the territory of modern Russia 2000 (two thousand) years before the Slavs.
              1. atalef
                atalef 8 December 2015 13: 58 New
                -1
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Now the main storyteller under the nickname atalef will quickly tell you and popularly explain on fingers that this sea was previously called the Judean Sea and in general Jews are the most ancient people on earth, because not so long ago they met 5776

                Calm down Vatnik, we are all far from Azerbaijanis.


                Quote: quilted jacket
                And our famous leader of Jewish origin, Solovyov, generally argued that Jews appeared on the territory of modern Russia 2000 (two thousand) years before the Slavs.

                Soloviev in general is always lying.
                His surname is like that.
                It floods like a nightingale.
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 8 December 2015 15: 28 New
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  Calm down Vatnik, we are all far from Azerbaijanis.

                  I never doubted that you Jews are far from Azerbaijanis laughing
                  And before the Russians all the more lol
                  Quote: atalef
                  Soloviev in general is always lying.

                  Yes, it’s your general trait - to compose fairy tales smile
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 8 December 2015 09: 23 New
      +1
      Build! Fomenko has this!
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 8 December 2015 10: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        Build! Fomenko has this!

        According to Egyptian legends, nine founded Egypt white gods who came from the North.
        1. atalef
          atalef 8 December 2015 13: 30 New
          -1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: kalibr
          Build! Fomenko has this!

          According to Egyptian legends, nine founded Egypt white gods who came from the North.

          Hello Igoryanich !!
          How is it with a link to the source? wink
    3. gla172
      gla172 8 December 2015 09: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Inq
      But didn’t we build the pyramids?


      You won’t believe it, but we also have a direct relation to this!
      Or do you think that the savage Egyptians did this?
      1. Down House
        Down House 8 December 2015 20: 53 New
        0
        Quote: gla172
        Or do you think that the savage Egyptians did this?

        Well, like that, primitive savages collected primitive pyramids - just primitive savages primitive construction technologies laughing
  • Oprychnik
    Oprychnik 8 December 2015 09: 05 New
    +1
    For those interested. A lot in understanding the past, ongoing and still forthcoming historical processes is given by G.A. Sidorova - "Chronological and esoteric analysis of the development of modern civilization."
    Start at least with the first volume. You can download it freely, just look a little.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 8 December 2015 09: 43 New
      +2
      I looked on the web. There he has a chapter: "Women of the Golden and Reptilian Section" - he immediately didn't want to read more ...
      1. Riv
        Riv 8 December 2015 10: 07 New
        -1
        Oh mine gott! The reptiloid section is how ???
        1. Penzuck
          Penzuck 8 December 2015 13: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Riv
          Oh mine gott! The reptiloid section is how ???

          This kada is a cigarette. wassat
          1. Oprychnik
            Oprychnik 8 December 2015 14: 41 New
            +1
            This is for those interested. Fools please do not worry.
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 8 December 2015 15: 39 New
              +1
              Yes, no one is acting like a fool, just when people write about "reptilian sections" it says a lot at once.
              1. Oprychnik
                Oprychnik 8 December 2015 16: 34 New
                0
                In my opinion, this suggests that the thought of a traditional scientist-historian, by no means, can turn him out of a rut deeply full of German reddish.
                1. Oprychnik
                  Oprychnik 8 December 2015 19: 17 New
                  0
                  History is the most unsubstantiated science among the existing sciences. In second place is purely speculative science - philosophy ... To be honest, all these papyri, clay tablets, parchments, birch bark letters and stone tablets that we have inherited are no more than 500 years old. As far as philosophy is concerned, I have recently begun to adhere to the view that we are all in the Matrix. And, most of the writers here are none other than bots. Which is about 90%. And some brainless girl sits, with a purely feminine logic, somewhere, let's say, in the constellation Alpha Centauri, presses the buttons, or maybe just "wiggles" her brains, who knows. And we have wars, floods, floods and gas chambers here. And sometimes the megaliths that come across are the remnants of the scenery of the previous virtual level; they do not find plausible explanations. You say, completely crazy ... Why is this version worse, say, set forth in the Torah, or in the "Norman" theory?
  • avva2012
    avva2012 8 December 2015 09: 30 New
    0
    Quote: Riv
    Afanasy Nikitin did not own several styles. He has one style. But Walking is just defiantly bilingual. Nikitin switches from Russian to Turkic and vice versa, as from native to native. Most likely this language was native. It is a single language with a huge number of mutual borrowings, and even supplemented by Sanskrit.
    So maybe there was no difference between the Turks and the Slavs? Well yes. She was not there. One people was.

    L. Gumilev writes a lot about the situation with bilingualism. It is difficult to disagree with him, although, of course, a person who is carried away, all the same, the genes of the father affect. The book "Russia and the Great Steppe" is magnificent. It seems to me that the researches of this scientist are much more believable than the fables about Hyperborea, the Cro-Magnan Rus, etc., pseudo-scientific research.
    1. Riv
      Riv 8 December 2015 10: 09 New
      0
      Undoubtedly, Gumilyov has many sensible thoughts. Everything spoils only his theory of passionarity.
      1. War and Peace
        War and Peace 8 December 2015 10: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Riv
        Undoubtedly, Gumilyov has many sensible thoughts. Everything spoils only his theory of passionarity.


        not proven of course, but this idea PASSIONALITY-ENERGY SATURATION-HOCKLE PEOPLE is very nice and can answer some questions ...
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 8 December 2015 10: 27 New
        -1
        Everything spoils only his theory of passionarity.
        Well, I say, father poet!
        And how do you feel about the idea of ​​L.N. Gumilyov that some nations are more complimentary, while others are not?
  • mishastich
    mishastich 8 December 2015 09: 34 New
    +1
    I had a short question.

    Who denies that the Slavs are Indo-Europeans?

    Is it possible to deny that the Russian language is full of borrowings and the bulk of the language styles are forgotten?
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 8 December 2015 10: 25 New
      +1
      Nobody denies this, and bad Britons as well. All for!
  • but still
    but still 8 December 2015 10: 01 New
    0
    Modern science has methods to get to the roots of any, even the most ancient people. The combination of archeology, anthropology, linguistics, ethnology, comparative mythoanalysis, toponymy, genetics and other special disciplines allows this to be done with a high degree of certainty. And sometimes the results can be shocking.


    smile Exactly! For centuries they lied, they lied, but you can’t hide the sewing in a bag ... So now we have to rebuild the enemies.
    1. ivankursk46
      ivankursk46 8 December 2015 15: 57 New
      -2
      Yeah, they lied for centuries, but now they have proved that these are the first to leave the sea from the sea laughing

      You will not share links to lies?
      1. but still
        but still 8 December 2015 17: 04 New
        0
        Rebuild the doctors - i.e. a lie, which is already evident that a lie, remodel to another lie smile
        1. ivankursk46
          ivankursk46 8 December 2015 18: 16 New
          -2
          So there are no links. So I thought. All the Jews destroyed ??? laughing
  • Irbis
    Irbis 8 December 2015 10: 11 New
    +2
    Generation Ren TV and TV 3? Judging by the comments info only takes people there. Has anyone tried to read books?
    1. ivankursk46
      ivankursk46 8 December 2015 16: 00 New
      -2
      Yah. Books are boring and uninteresting laughing Please watch a telly or video on the Internet, which tells us that we are the oldest and coolest
  • Alekst
    Alekst 8 December 2015 10: 12 New
    +2
    Honestly, I put a minus to the article, the history of the Aryans is interesting, of course, but not through the prism of Western European pseudoscientific theories about full-fledged and inferior peoples, which once in their time replaced similar but religious theories, to justify their colonial conquests or calm their enlightened "humanism" of the "soul", as you like.
  • Nikita Orlov
    Nikita Orlov 8 December 2015 10: 26 New
    +1
    Well done author! Special thanks for the video! All know-it-alls I suggest to return to secondary education and listen / read what is being taught NOW and at what "level". This is where it is necessary to "pependicularly" sticks, how much more can you argue with obvious things - RUSSIA, like India and China, has at least 5000 years of history and the older the lie, the easier it is to believe in it, because so many people could not be made fools. . isn't it Mr. Green?
    1. ivankursk46
      ivankursk46 8 December 2015 16: 04 New
      +1
      And of course you have the facts of this five thousand year history? Or do you think that it can also be composed like this article? laughing
      1. Rivares
        Rivares 8 December 2015 17: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: ivankursk46
        And of course you have the facts of this five thousand year history? Or do you think that it can also be composed like this article?

        Do you have facts that your Dad is your Dad ??? Or start to compose all sorts of tales that he really is yours?
        1. ivankursk46
          ivankursk46 8 December 2015 18: 20 New
          -1
          Well, of course, crowing about greatness on the Internet is much easier than proving this "greatness" laughing And then some more are offended that I call them balabol laughing
        2. Down House
          Down House 8 December 2015 22: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Rivares
          Do you have facts that your Dad is your Dad

          Well, actually, almost any person has these facts laughing
  • but still
    but still 8 December 2015 10: 40 New
    +1
    Listen to this. Just don't fall. Calmly.

    Sambat, who allegedly founded Kiev (also called Shambat), is the brother of the great Kubrat.

    Only here I do not agree with a respected scientist about the Turkic origin of the Bulgarians (they are the ancestors of the Balkan Thracians) and the Turkic language of the Khazars - as you know, the Turks and Arabs themselves described that the Khazar language did not resemble any Turkic language - the Turks themselves did not understand it, he similar to Bulgarian. And Bulgarian comes from the Thracian languages ​​in the Balkans. After Kotrag led his people from Great Bulgaria to the Volga and founded the Volga Bulgaria there, their language became Türkized. In contrast to Judaism in Khazaria, the Volga Bulgars converted to Islam. But initially they were not Turkic and did not speak Turkic. And the Chuvash language was generally stuck into the group of Turkic languages ​​of the Bulgar group completely unreasonably - in the Chuvash language all the signs of the Indo-European language family. In general, "Turkic" like "Turkic-speaking" is a stigma of a political nature. Like the term "Tatars", it is a political means of erasing national memory. Why did Ivan III not have the title of Tatar prince? But he had a title PRINCE BULGARIAN.
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    2. Mangel olys
      Mangel olys 8 December 2015 11: 48 New
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      Quote: but still
      Like the term "Tatars", it is a political means of erasing national memory.


      On the contrary, dear, the division of the Tatars into Crimean, Kazan, Siberian, Astrakhan, etc., this is an attempt to erase them from the sheet of history. Although they all speak the same language. And especially, the tale that descendants of the Volga Bulgars live in modern Tataria. This is a monstrous lie. And this policy has been carried out so far, since 1944 of the year.
      1. but still
        but still 8 December 2015 12: 02 New
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        Tell me, where did the Bulgarians of Ancient (Old) Great Bulgaria go from the times of Kubrat? Extinct like dinosaurs? Yes, and in the battles with the Mongols, many of them were killed. And in the battles with the Arabs. And in the battles with the Khazars. And in internecine fraternal wars. And later, when Kazan was "taken". Where did the numerous Bulgarian people who inhabited the entire northern Black Sea region, the Azov Sea, Don, Volga, and Dnieper go? Yes, they became Turkized. In the same way, like all the peoples of Russia, they were Russified, and for this, only 3-4 generations are enough. It's not about the language. Where did the Bulgarians go (except for the Danube Bulgarians Asparuh)? Who were they named?
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 8 December 2015 13: 25 New
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          Quote: but still
          Where did the Bulgarians go (except the Danube Bulgarians Asparuh)? What did they call them?

          Chuvash, Tatars Kazan, Balkars.
          1. but still
            but still 8 December 2015 16: 32 New
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            Quote: IS-80
            IS-80 SU Today, 13:25 PM ↑

            Quote: but still
            Where did the Bulgarians go (except the Danube Bulgarians Asparuh)? What did they call them?

            Chuvash, Tatars Kazan, Balkars.


            Thank you smile I understand that the Chuvash, Kazan Tatars and Balkars are the descendants of the Bulgars, the son of Kubrat Kotrag, who settled on the Volga. But what do you think happened to those Bulgarians who remained with Kubrat's eldest son, Boyan, in the Khazar Kaganate? The so-called "Black Bulgars", or as the Arabs called them "Inner Bulgars"? As far as I know, in the Khazar Kaganate, Judaism was accepted only by the ruling circles of the Khazars, who make up about 30% of the population of the Khazar Kaganate. About 60% of the population were Bulgars, another 10% were other peoples. What peoples are the descendants of the "Black Bulgars"? And what happened to the Khazars after they were defeated by Svyatoslav? What peoples are the ancestors of the Don, Kuban and Yaik Cossacks?
        2. Mangel olys
          Mangel olys 8 December 2015 15: 08 New
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          There are no ancient historical texts about these so-called "Bulgarians". I emphasize that I am not talking about the state of the Volga Bulgaria, but about nationality. Later, various sources appeared. As Iskhakov D.M. and Izmailov I.L. in "Ethnopolitical history of the Tatars (3rd-mid-16th centuries)" "No" Bulgarian "ethno-national identity and its active propagandists in the form of the mythical" abyz movement "were recorded in the sources." A. Frank also says that this historiography about the ancient "Bulgarians" was fueled by ancient legends and did not have a direct written tradition dating back to the historiography of medieval Bulgaria. Moreover, all this "Bulgarism" has a later (18-19th centuries) book origin.
          Well, I also advise you to read G.R. Enikeeva, "The Heritage of the Tatars": "... in the times under consideration, in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, there was such a people - the Bulgarians (they also write" Bulgars "). Only these Bulgarians lived then, and much earlier, and even now live beyond the Danube, on the territory of modern Bulgaria. And they still remember their self-name "Bulgarians", and their Bulgarian language is one of the Slavic languages. And the Bulgarians do not consider the territory on which, as we have established, the Tatars lived from ancient times, as their historical homeland So, in their theory, only the official historians replaced the Tatars in the ancient Volga region with the people (ethnos) "Bulgars".
          As you can see, the name of the Bulgar Khanate, derived from the name of the city of Bulgar, was extended to its subjects as well, as a collective name “Bulgars”. The fact that it is consonant with the name of the distant Slavic people "Bulgarians" does not yet mean that "here instead of the Tatars lived the ancient Bulgarians, and there was their state."
          1. but still
            but still 8 December 2015 16: 45 New
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            Only these Bulgarians lived then, and much earlier, and still live beyond the Danube, in the territory of modern Bulgaria. And still remember their self-name "Bulgarians", and their Bulgarian language is one of the Slavic languages. And the Bulgarians do not consider their historical homeland of the territory on which, as we established, the Tatars lived from ancient times.


            laughing Don’t worry, no one on your Tatar lands will covet - there are plenty of their own on the Danube, even after the "Great Powers" - the countries - the gendarmes of the world stole the Bulgarian lands with the Bulgarian population in different directions and distributed them to neighbors.

            Tatars, so Tatars. But still answer me the question I have already asked: WHY IVAN III HAD THE TITLE PRINCE BULGARIAN (not Tatar)? Is it he who Danube Bulgaria can capture? request
            1. Mangel olys
              Mangel olys 8 December 2015 22: 46 New
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              [/ Quote]Tatars, so Tatars. But still answer me the question I have already asked: WHY IVAN III HAD THE TITLE PRINCE BULGARIAN (not Tatar)? Is it he who Danube Bulgaria can capture? request [/ Quote]
              I answer. In the forties of the 13th century Khan Batu made the city of Bolgar the first capital of the Golden Horde. In the 14th century, the Golden Horde entered a period of crisis and in 1430 split into several states, including the Kazan Khanate. In 1438, Khan Ulug-Muhammad subdued Kazan. By this time, significant changes had taken place in the Bulgarian ulus. The center of the ulus was moved from Bolgar to Kazan. This was due to, incl. the fact that the Bulgarians in 1431. was devastated by the troops of Prince Fyodor Paletsky the Pestroi. Therefore, after the victory in 1487 over the Kazanians, Ivan III received the title of "Prince of Bulgaria". By the way, this is not his only title. There were also: "the sovereign of all Russia and the Grand Duke of Vladimir, and Moscow, and Novgorod, and Pskov, and Tver, and Perm, and Yugorsky, and Bulgarian, and others." I hope you,but still satisfied with the answer.
              1. but still
                but still 9 December 2015 12: 40 New
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                "Bolgar was founded by the Volga Bulgars in the X century, in 1361 destroyed by the Golden Horde prince Bulat-Timur. Then it was restored, but in 1431 it was destroyed by the governor Fedor Pestry, after which it was abandoned by the inhabitants and was no longer restored. Those. the city of Bolgar ceased to be an administrative center, moreover, this city was abandoned by its inhabitants, moreover before the birth of Ivan III smile The city of Kazan became the administrative center, so after the victory of Ivan III over the Kazan in 1487 why didn’t he call himself Prince of Kazan? Inconsistency smile Later, Ivan the Terrible, having defeated Kazan, added to himself the title Prince of Kazan. Everything is logical. But with Ivan III and the title Prince БОЛГАРСКИЙ what to do? request


                And as for Tatarism, it got on the net in heated debates and discussions, where Bulgarians, Tatar-Tartarists, Mari, Bashkirs, and many other nations went around. So your opinion does not coincide with the opinion of some of your compatriots.
          2. Rivares
            Rivares 8 December 2015 17: 24 New
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            Dear Mangel Alys, an exhaustive answer to your question (absolutely true from my point of view) can be answered by genetics. Read a little about haplotypes and see their distribution among the Volga Bulgarians and Bulgarians in Bulgaria.
            1. but still
              but still 8 December 2015 18: 00 New
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              Dear Rivares, WHY IVAN III had the title PRINCE BULGARIAN (and not Tatar)? Is it he who Danube Bulgaria can capture? request
              1. Rivares
                Rivares 9 December 2015 19: 11 New
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                Quote: but still
                Dear Rivares, WHY IVAN III had the title PRINCE BULGARIAN (and not Tatar)

                I do not know. Enlighten. Why such a question?
            2. Mangel olys
              Mangel olys 8 December 2015 21: 06 New
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              Quote: Rivares
              Dear Mangel Alys, an exhaustive answer to your question (absolutely true from my point of view) can be answered by genetics. Read a little about haplotypes and see their distribution among the Volga Bulgarians and Bulgarians in Bulgaria.

              Dear Rivares answer: "Recent studies of the Y chromosome show that the so-called" Slavic "or" East European "haplogroup R1a, which they tried to use as a characteristic of the Russian nation (its share is 47%), is very common among others, and non-Slavic peoples. For Tatars, it is approximately 32% (the figures fluctuate due to the sample used, therefore they are given in rounds). The case of the Tatars could be explained by the influence of Europe, but this figure does not decrease as it moves east. By logic, instead of “European” signs, some “Asian” haplogroups should have appeared, but no, the Bashkirs R1 has more than 26%, and the “West European” haplogroup R1b just surpasses 40%, the “Finnish” N3 (N1с according to the new classification) - 17% (for Tatars - 20%), "Mongolian" C is only 2,3% (for Tatars it is practically absent). R1’s Uzbeks make up 30%, Kyrgyz people have more than 55% (more than Russians), though haplogroup C is quite significant - more than 25%. For Altai people, R1 is more than 40%, and in some groups it exceeds 60%, for Altai Kumans R1b is 49%. Not all European nations can boast of such a share of “European” haplogroups (for comparison: among Germans, R1 is 14,5%, R1b is 44%). If we turn to the Uyghurs living in distant China, then they have R1a is 30%, and R1b is about 20%. It turns out that the Turks on their paternal Y chromosome are real "Europeans", and therefore the Russian ancestral home must be sought in Altai, in the same place as the Tatars. It is impossible to enter into a discussion about the route of historical migration of peoples from South Siberia to the Balkans, it is too special and contradictory due to lack of data, but we can already conclude today that the haplogroups of Russians and Tatars are similar: R1а - 47% / 32%; R1b - 6% / 7%; N3 (N1с) - 19% / 20%, respectively. The most significant difference is observed in the haplogroup J2: among Russians, 2%, Tatars - 11%. Here, apparently, the difference in the sample affected: among the Russians, testing was carried out selectively, only in purely Russian regions, unlike the Tatars. It is hard to believe that among the Russians there were so few J2, characteristic of the Jews inherited, most likely, from the Khazar Khaganate. If we expand the circle of testing Russians throughout the country, their DNA network may even coincide in general terms with the Tatar one. DNA genealogy is still in its infancy and it cannot be pinned on too many hopes, but it raises serious questions and justifies itself. It remains a mystery to us the presence of a significant share of the haplogroup N1с among the Tatars. If for Russians this share is unambiguously explained by the assimilation of Finno-Ugric tribes, then for Tatars this approach is too straightforward. For example, since the time of the Golden Horde, the Kazan Khanate, the Mari, Udmurts, Mordovians lived side by side with the Tatars, preserving their traditions.
              Source: http://www.business-gazeta.ru/readblog/2791/3944/
              1. IS-80
                IS-80 8 December 2015 21: 38 New
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                Quote: Mangel Olys
                The “Eastern European” haplogroup R1a, which they tried to use as a characteristic of the Russian nation (its share is 47%), is very common among other, moreover, non-Slavic peoples.

                The article is full of scientific delirium.
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              3. topical
                topical 8 December 2015 22: 20 New
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                Quote: Mangel Olys
                among the Bashkirs, the “Mongolian" C is only 2,3% (among the Tatars it is practically absent)

                Here is another confirmation of the tales of the "Tatar-Mongol invasion". This invasion was invented by "Catherine's Germans". To hide those pages of the history of Russia, which ran counter to Catherine's concept of "Russia, the third Rome".
              4. Rivares
                Rivares 9 December 2015 19: 08 New
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                Tales from the business newspaper! Complete distortion of the facts! The genetic structure of the haplogroup of peoples does not consist of 1 marker.
                Quote: Mangel Olys
                the aplogroup R1a, which they tried to use as a characteristic of the Russian nation (its share is 47%),

                Such miserable comparisons from journalists are similar to saying that Russians are only with blue eyes. Naturally, representatives of the ancient profession begin to discuss such tales with pleasure.
                Look at the percentage distribution of haplotypes (not one but several) among peoples, and then you will make the right conclusion.
          3. Spnsr
            Spnsr 8 December 2015 18: 34 New
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            Quote: Mangel Olys
            And the Bulgarians do not consider their historical homeland of the territory on which, as we established, the Tatars lived from ancient times. So, in their theory, official historians only replaced the Tatars in the ancient Volga region with the people (ethnos) of the “Bulgars”.

            Well naturally! especially in view of the fact that the entire population in the territories, except Muscovy and the trap, was called Tatarava after the unrest of the 17th century, and already closer to the 19th century it began to acquire nationalities
  • Alekst
    Alekst 8 December 2015 10: 56 New
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    Undoubtedly, Gumilyov has many sensible thoughts. Everything spoils only his theory of passionarity.

    Not a theory of passionarity, but an attempt to explain the origin of passionarity in the form of broadband radiation from space, while now it is difficult to prove how to refute it.
  • Mangel olys
    Mangel olys 8 December 2015 11: 40 New
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    Everything spoils only his theory of passionarity.
    Well, I say, father poet!
    And how do you feel about the idea of ​​L.N. Gumilyov that some nations are more complimentary, while others are not?


    "Our ancestors, who lived in Moscow Russia and in the Russian Empire at the beginning of the 18th century. Had no doubt that their eastern neighbors - Tatars, Mordovians, Cheremis, Ostyaks, Tungus, Kazakhs, Yakuts - are the same people as the Tverichi, Ryazan people The idea of ​​national exclusivity was alien to the Russian people, and they were not shocked that, for example, Mordvin Nikon sat on the patriarchal throne, and the Russian armies were led by the descendants of the Cheremis - the Sheremetyevs and the Tatars - Kutuzov. "
    L.N. Gumilyov, "The power of bias".
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 8 December 2015 11: 55 New
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      The idea of ​​national exclusivity was alien to Russian people
      I agree, colleague.
      But, I'm not much about that. In my opinion, in the book "The End and the Beginning Again", the author says that there is "internal complementarity between peoples, or vice versa, it is not." As an example, for his thought, he cited the relationship between Russians and Tatars, and Russians and British. That is, initially, the Russians can get along with the Tatars and are absolutely not complimentary with the British.
      1. Mangel olys
        Mangel olys 8 December 2015 14: 12 New
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        I agree, put "+".
  • Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 8 December 2015 11: 43 New
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    Some here offer to read books, but they themselves are limited only to the names of the chapters.
    History is being written now, and even earlier, by those who have sufficient financial resources to do so. In fact, history is always written to order. History has never been an exact science and never will be! If power, control of the people is the same root with him, then this people has a true story.
    And as for passionarity, I’ll say:
    Of course, Gumilyov is in many ways right, but the main condition for the passionarity of the people is the number of children in the family. There will be five children and more in the family - this people has a future, a continuation in descendants, it is able to defend itself and develop. A family.
    1. ivankursk46
      ivankursk46 8 December 2015 16: 06 New
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      Is someone stopping you from entering the history faculty? Let's go ahead, unlearn, excavate, tell us the "true" story)
      1. Down House
        Down House 8 December 2015 22: 41 New
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        Quote: ivankursk46
        Does someone bother you entering the history department?

        He has other plans - to have at least 5 children fellow
        But something tells me with a probability of 99.99% that these plans will not come true fellow
  • Gorinich
    Gorinich 8 December 2015 11: 52 New
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    Article minus, caused a disorderly shit, moreover, without relying on facts. In fact, "white noise" and reflection. To study history, one must first of all rely on facts and only facts.
    1. but still
      but still 8 December 2015 12: 09 New
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      To study history, one must rely primarily on facts and only facts.


      I support your opinion. The only fact cited in the article is a reference to Nestor, mentioning the Danube as the place of origin of the tribes from which Russia went. Everything else even smacks of provocation and racism. Verdictions without evidence. Where are the artifacts? Where is the burial place? And those burials that are discovered - whose are they? What peoples?
  • YakimovSS
    YakimovSS 8 December 2015 12: 07 New
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    Oh, another piece of the newly illuminated neopagan. Cool!

    And you can ask where the term "Indo-Europeans-Aryans" comes from? It seems to me that this definition lacks the Ukroks, Kazakhs and Chinese. Well, just for the sake of completeness.

    As for the term "Rus", the word is of the Designinian origin and it meant the Christian Slavs. That's all. And the fact that on the Kulikovo field the army won under the Orthodox banners, and the scattered principalities nevertheless united against the background of this and began to be called Rus. Well, this is not written in neo-pagan literature, right ?!
    Well, yes it does.

    PS: Just do not "la-la" about the fact that it was Nikon who replaced the "true faith of the Slavs" with Christianity, while taking its original definition. Again, you will not find a single source for this invention. Orthodoxy is a literal translation of "Orthodoxy" taken from the Greek language. Let me remind you that it was precisely the alignment with Greece that made a split in Christianity, dividing it into Orthodox and Old Believers.
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    2. atalef
      atalef 8 December 2015 13: 38 New
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      And you can ask where the term "Indo-Europeans-Aryans" comes from? It seems to me that this definition lacks the Ukroks, Kazakhs and Chinese. Well, just for the sake of completeness

      Ukrainians are descendants of Atlantes, they dug the Black Sea
      There were no Chinese and Kazakhs then, then they were brought out by 9 white gods (who founded Egypt), crossing Ukraine with a jerboa - therefore they are yellow, and narrow eyes are just production defects

      Quote: YakimovSS
      language. Let me remind you that it was the alignment with Greece that made a split in Christianity, dividing it into Orthodox and Old Believers.

      There have never been any Greeks. laughing
      When excavating ancient mounds, the great linguist Zadornov, together with the author of the article, found a map confirming all their conclusions.
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 8 December 2015 13: 59 New
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        Quote: atalef
        When excavating ancient mounds, the great linguist Zadornov, together with the author of the article, found a map confirming all their conclusions.

        You don’t talk to us. Urusalim twirl us. laughing
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        2. atalef
          atalef 8 December 2015 14: 04 New
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          Quote: IS-80
          Quote: atalef
          When excavating ancient mounds, the great linguist Zadornov, together with the author of the article, found a map confirming all their conclusions.

          You don’t talk to us. Urusalim twirl us. laughing

          You are evil. Already alone near Moscow. Is everything small?
          New Jerusalem
          The Resurrection New Jerusalem Stavropegic Monastery was founded in 1656. Patriarch Nikon as his own residence and as the embodiment of the idea of ​​the “Third Rome” in Russia

          And Rome to boot.
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 8 December 2015 14: 17 New
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            Quote: atalef
            You are evil. Already alone near Moscow. Is everything small?

            There are not many. smile
            Quote: atalef
            And Rome to boot.

            Will you be visiting us in our Rome, come in almost always welcome. Only if without gifts we are not at home. laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef 8 December 2015 14: 23 New
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              Quote: IS-80
              Will you be visiting us in our Rome, come in almost always welcome. Only if without gifts we oh wei are not at home

              Well, as for gifts, it will not rust for us, just keep in mind, I drink tea with seven tablespoons of sugar (though I don’t stir) laughing
              1. IS-80
                IS-80 8 December 2015 14: 42 New
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                Quote: atalef
                Well, as for gifts, it will not rust for us, just keep in mind, I drink tea with seven tablespoons of sugar (though I don’t stir)

                Agreed drinks
  • Litsvin
    Litsvin 8 December 2015 13: 36 New
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    Dear Sirs, read Anatoly Klesov and his DNA genealogy. This article is simply confirmed by exact science as DNA genealogy, which simply cannot be distorted by any politicians or historians. The ancestors of the Pre-Slavs, and the Balts, and the German, and many other European and Asian ethnic groups - ARII, which, starting from the 6th millennium BC. gradually spread from the Balkans to India. This is confirmed by the chains of mutational genes inherent in representatives of certain ethnic groups.
    1. ivankursk46
      ivankursk46 8 December 2015 16: 11 New
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      This is the Klyosov who does not know what anthropology is?)
      http://antropogenez.ru/review/814/
      1. Litsvin
        Litsvin 8 December 2015 22: 34 New
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        Anthropology is nothing compared to DNA. DNA is the "Alpha" and "Omega" of the human body. And it is DNA that determines not only the anthropometric parameters of people, but also determines the entire "human essence" - "from eye color to homosexuality" (... homosexuals are precisely genetic mutants thanks to just one defective gene).
        And yet - DNA genealogy is precisely a science that is not subject to any political discussions. Genes cannot be fooled - you are either "Russian" or "Jew" or "Russian Jew", according to haplogroups and mutations this is very well read. Thank God that the idiot Hitler did not have such technologies as DNA analysis and the methods he used to identify Jews were precisely "anthropometric" ie. very exemplary. This saved many Jews in the occupied territories.
        1. ivankursk46
          ivankursk46 9 December 2015 01: 37 New
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          http://antropogenez.ru/review/818/
          And after that, it seems to me, you’ll say that D.Sc. does not understand anything in biology compared to D.S.)
      2. IS-80
        IS-80 8 December 2015 23: 34 New
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        Quote: ivankursk46
        This is the Klyosov who does not know what anthropology is?)
        http://antropogenez.ru/review/814/

        Have you read all articles criticizing Klesov on this resource? Can you say that this criticism is fair? Based on what are you sure of this?
        1. ivankursk46
          ivankursk46 9 December 2015 01: 56 New
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          And on the basis of what are you sure of the professionalism of the person who completed the construction faculty, compared with the Tajik painter?)

          And one more thing to the question of Klesov’s professionalism
          http://mfreidin.livejournal.com/129175.html
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 9 December 2015 08: 32 New
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            Quote: ivankursk46
            And on the basis of what are you sure of the professionalism of the person who completed the construction faculty, compared with the Tajik painter?)

            You have blamed and prove. It seems to me you read these articles critically diagonally. And you didn’t read Klesov’s article criticized by these funny guys.
            1. ivankursk46
              ivankursk46 9 December 2015 13: 17 New
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              Especially for the blind-eyed hamster Klesov, who can not read the whole discussion.


              Klyosov cannot in anthropology http://antropogenez.ru/review/814/
              Klyosov can’t into genetics http://antropogenez.ru/review/818/
              Klyosov winds up a citation rating referring to HIMSELF http://mfreidin.livejournal.com/129175.html
              1. IS-80
                IS-80 9 December 2015 15: 41 New
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                Quote: ivankursk46
                Especially for the blind-eyed hamster Klesov, who can not read the whole discussion.

                Klyosov cannot in anthropology http://antropogenez.ru/review/814/
                Klyosov can’t into genetics http://antropogenez.ru/review/818/
                Klyosov winds up a citation rating referring to HIMSELF http://mfreidin.livejournal.com/129175.html

                That is, you yourself have nothing to say? Only links to other people's criticism in which you did not understand it seems at all. smile
  • Victor1
    Victor1 8 December 2015 13: 43 New
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    Russian civilization is more ancient than it is commonly believed in modern "science". And they don't want to study this direction, because they fear and hate us, they want to take our lands away, and if it also "turns out" that our history is older than it is commonly believed, then it will be more difficult to do it.
    Our history was stolen and rewritten many times, so you need to look at different sources and conduct a comparative analysis.
    Unfortunately, many historical data were subsequently destroyed.
    PS:
    The most ancient remains of modern man were found in the Voronezh region, the village of Kostenki.
    1. atalef
      atalef 8 December 2015 13: 46 New
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      Quote: Victor1
      The most ancient remains of modern man were found in the Voronezh region, the village of Kostenki

      And therefore the village was so called (Zadornov will prove this to you)
      Remains - bones - bones (why bones - because bones were small) wassat
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      2. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 8 December 2015 15: 59 New
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        You better tell us how things were with Moses with orientation to the area. Forty (!) Years led the unfortunate people out of captivity in Egypt. Probably indeed, as alternative experts say, he led through Kolyma. Or maybe just the arrow on the compass broke. Or the Earth bumped onto the celestial axis.
        1. Rivares
          Rivares 8 December 2015 17: 28 New
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          Quote: Oprychnik
          You better tell us how things were with Moses with orientation to the area. Forty (!) Years led the unfortunate people out of captivity in Egypt.

          And brought to the only place where there is no oil)
        2. potalevl
          potalevl 8 December 2015 18: 34 New
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          Forty years were taken so that the generation that remembered Egyptian slavery died out, and only those with whom it was possible to build their state and their history remained. But with orienteering, I think he was all right if he managed to lead the crowd in circles in the same desert for such a long period of time. Something like this.
        3. Litsvin
          Litsvin 9 December 2015 00: 20 New
          +1
          Let them keep these tales "about the desert" for themselves. Apparently the "navigators" forgot to take it in a hurry when they fled from Egypt. The Moiseevs launched the satellite, the first in the history of humanity, long before the Russian Sputnik-1 in 1957, but they were not lucky with navigators. They forgot the chargers for the same navigators that they took - after all, the power plants in Ancient Egypt remained with the "pharaohs", and the gas generators are hard to carry, and they are unaccustomed to this - they are used to weights, they are used to carrying other weights for them. And "Moses with the People" was left without navigators in the desert, and maps and a compass had not yet been invented - so they were out for 40 years.
          There is another historical version of the "exodus", described, in particular, in the Assyrian and Egyptian texts - not the one set forth by the Jews themselves in the Old Testament. The Jews, taking advantage of the instability in the ruling elite of Ancient Egypt (does not resemble anything? And 1917 in Russia?), Seized power in Egypt by means of a state revolution. After a fairly long period of the Jews in power, the people of Ancient Egypt raised an armed uprising, restored the power of the pharaohs and expelled the Jews from Egypt (approximately the way Vladimir Vysotsky sings in his song "Mishka Shifman"). So they toiled in the wilderness wondering where to go next - after all, compared to the fertile lands of Egypt, the land of Judea is a desert.
      3. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 8 December 2015 19: 56 New
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        atalef
        And therefore the village was so called (Zadornov will prove this to you)


        and why didn’t please you so zadorn) at least someone quite sincerely enlightens the masses (not the greatness of the great American dream and the pseudo-culture artificially instilled by them)) but at least in this way to attract attention and interest people with the origin and origins of the original Slavic culture

        Zadornov emphasized a lot of monologues from the books of Sergei Alekseev, or rather, the Books from the cycle “Treasures of the Valkyries”: which in turn were clearly inspired by the paintings of the artist Konstantin Vasilyev.
        and to us my opinion is an excellent author Siberian! and magnificent novels .and I was very advised to get acquainted with everyone who has not yet read. who loves and is interested in Slavic culture.
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    3. ivankursk46
      ivankursk46 8 December 2015 16: 16 New
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      Did Zadornov tell you this? And he has not yet said that the Slavs flew to the vimans? If not, then soon, the disease progresses rapidly laughing
    4. Down House
      Down House 8 December 2015 22: 45 New
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      Quote: Victor1
      And they don’t want to study this direction, because they are afraid and hate us, they want to take away our lands

      And the study of history has nothing to do with it, or do you want to say the Europeans did not know that the native inhabitants of America were Indians ?! laughing
  • Hello
    Hello 8 December 2015 13: 58 New
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    Is it time for the author to finish this Santa Barbara? Already the 3rd article in my memory about the Russians (Uruses) and the clan cities of their URYaffo and URUsalim. I begin to conclude that the wrong country was named Russia. Are you subtly hinting at an exchange? fellow Maybe you’ll already write that Allah was a Russian and will end the debate on this? fool
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 8 December 2015 14: 21 New
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      Quote: Hello
      Already the 3rd article in my memory about the Russians (Uruses) and the clan cities of their URYaffo and URUsalim.

      What is not there even that one.
      My country is widespread,
      from Alaska to Sinai.
      laughing
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      2. atalef
        atalef 8 December 2015 14: 26 New
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        Quote: IS-80
        Broad is my native country, from Alaska to Sinai.


      3. Hello
        Hello 8 December 2015 14: 27 New
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        Quote: IS-80
        What is not there even that one.
        My country is widespread,
        from Alaska to Sinai.

        And where is the capital? To Urusalim? wink
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 8 December 2015 14: 35 New
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          Quote: Hello
          And where is the capital? To Urusalim?

          So that it would not hurt anyone and, in spite of the bureaucrats, we will make the capital relocatable. From city to city. Today Jerusalem, tomorrow Beijing, the day after tomorrow Moscow and so on. smile
          1. atalef
            atalef 8 December 2015 14: 38 New
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            Quote: IS-80
            Quote: Hello
            And where is the capital? To Urusalim?

            So that it would not hurt anyone and, in spite of the bureaucrats, we will make the capital relocatable. From city to city. Today Jerusalem, tomorrow Beijing, the day after tomorrow Moscow and so on. smile

            nothing is new in this world.
            And who will be VOEVODOY-GULOVY there wink
            Gulyai-gorod - a mobile (mobile) field fortification in the XV - XVIII centuries. It was a complex of durable carts equipped with large shields. . Commanded the walk-city in rati appointed governor - walking governor
    2. Spnsr
      Spnsr 8 December 2015 16: 15 New
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      Quote: Hello
      Maybe you’ll already write that Allah was a Russian and will end the debate on this? fool

      laughing Well, then you yourself asked a question! laughing
      actually originally, the Russians worshiped their ancestors! hence the appeal to the Father God, at the moment when others recognize ISU, but reject the manifestation of the Father in the SON, and call the Father the master ...
  • ArcanAG
    ArcanAG 8 December 2015 14: 45 New
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    The author all the time talking about science did not cite a single scientific or simply historical fact. At best, general reasoning such as the Byzantines wrote.
    In fact, he contrasts the myth of stolen / protoukras with the myth of Rus / protorus.

    I do not understand. What the hell is this craving for Aryanism? Why are these arias so good? The fact that Hitler is Persian from them?
    Your story is not enough for you? The history of Russia and the Russian people from the Slavic tribes to our time is not great enough?
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 8 December 2015 15: 50 New
      +1
      And I want even "greater", even "deeper", so as not to pay, so at least in ballet and ancient times to be ahead of everyone. Well, how about -1,6 part of the land, and GDP 2,4 from the world? It's a shame! Well, let's get old and write that we are great, we are more powerful than the sun, higher than the clouds ... but we were deceived by bad "they" (oh, these "they" - "they" are everywhere) who want our everything. And we did not deceive anyone, because we are the most ancient people. So deceived and sit! This is also a certain position of a certain part of society. And it also has a place to be! But seriously, even now there are maps of studies and haplogroups and their distribution and ALL cultures one after another right on the network. And there is no belittling of the role of the Slavs, on the contrary, it is emphasized. But ... for some reason no one looks there, or almost no one ...
      1. topical
        topical 8 December 2015 16: 29 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        But seriously, even now right on the network there are research maps and haplogroups and their distribution and ALL cultures one after another.

        Haplogroup R1a (Slavs).
        1. topical
          topical 8 December 2015 16: 47 New
          +2
          Also interesting is the resettlement in Europe of the descendants of the ancient inhabitants of Europe (Cro-Magnon). There is an opinion that carriers of haplogroup I, this is what they are.
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        3. kalibr
          kalibr 8 December 2015 18: 17 New
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          Here! And who is hiding it, who is hiding this information? Here it is - laid out! Here they are - the Slavs!
          1. Down House
            Down House 8 December 2015 22: 54 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            Here they are - the Slavs!

            Is it right to say that?
            So you can call all people blacks, and maybe not even make a mistake.
      2. Down House
        Down House 8 December 2015 22: 51 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        Well, how is -1,6 part of land, and GDP is 2,4 of the world? It's a shame!

        And let's not be offended, and it’s more logical to calculate GDP not from the area, but from the population hi
        Quote: kalibr
        But ... for some reason no one looks in there, or almost no one ...

        But you look here hi
        1. atalef
          atalef 8 December 2015 22: 53 New
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          Quote: Down House
          And let's not be offended, and it’s more logical to calculate GDP not from the area, but from the population

          Well, it will be more correct per capita GDP
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          2. topical
            topical 9 December 2015 00: 16 New
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            Quote: atalef
            it will be more correct per capita GDP

            And that too. But labor efficiency is also very interesting.
          3. Down House
            Down House 9 December 2015 01: 29 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Well, it will be more correct per capita GDP

            Well, maybe it would be more correct if this GDP was divided equally among these very "souls" fellow
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        3. topical
          topical 9 December 2015 00: 36 New
          -1
          Quote: Down House
          and GDP is more logical to consider not from the area, but from the population

          Nothing to brag about here either. In Europe, worse than Russia, only Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, rep. Yugoslavia (without Slovenia and Croatia), Bulgaria and Romania. All the rest are working more efficiently.
          The three best in the world are Luxembourg, Norway and Qatar. If you remove the dwarfs (less than 10 million people), then Australia, the United States and the Netherlands.
          4 Americans give the result, like 17 Russians. And 4 Germans, like 15 Russians. And even 4 Portuguese (remember, at one time the task was to catch up with Portugal) in terms of labor efficiency are approximately equal to 7 Russians. How then can they be caught up? Somehow this task then disappeared by itself.
          1. Down House
            Down House 9 December 2015 02: 05 New
            -1
            Quote: topic
            Somehow this task then disappeared by itself.

            You somehow solve the problem poorly - the Russian Federation takes 9-10th place in the world and this is actually more than a worthy indicator for our country, given such a turbulent time for us and given that our historical peers (also Byzantium) have been like five hundred years back how fell apart fellow
            Quote: topic
            The three best in the world are Luxembourg, Norway and Qatar.

            Do not tell me these Norwegians - this is a collective farm and a garbage can laughing
            In general, I will tell you a secret - they are not "leaders of the GDP", they are hostages of their own internal exchange rate and internal prices - I explain with 5 fingers: a loaf of bread in Norway costs ten times more (well, maybe a little cheaper) than in neighboring Sweden, therefore and GDP higher fellow
            Therefore, Norwegians traveling to Sweden to buy bulk products in general parallel to their GDP laughing
            Quote: topic
            And even 4 Portuguese (remember, at one time the task was to catch up with Portugal) in terms of labor efficiency are approximately equal to 7 Russians.

            Well this is all nonsense - do not be offended hi
            This is interesting - how did they think ?! Evaluated the value of the goods produced in equal time, whose value already includes the cost of labor of an "effective" European worker ?! fellow
            Chinese billionaires are probably dying with laughter, buying up "effective" bankrupt European enterprises wholesale and retail and hiring Turkish and African guest workers to work for them laughing
            PS In general, read less "research by British economists" hi
            1. topical
              topical 9 December 2015 02: 53 New
              -1
              Quote: Down House
              Russia takes the 9-10th place in the world and this is actually more than a worthy indicator for our country

              What indicator? According to the wool of the sheep? Could you specify?
              Quote: Down House
              a loaf of bread in Norway costs ten times more (well, maybe a little cheaper) than in neighboring Sweden, therefore, the GDP is higher

              It would matter if no one bought this bun. But they are buying. Therefore, your remark does not matter.
              In addition, if we compare the average Norwegian with the average Russian in terms of accumulated wealth, it turns out that this same Norwegian is richer than the Russian by 24,4 times. Therefore, it is quite affordable for an average Norwegian to buy expensive bread.
              By the way, the average Swede is noticeably richer than the average Norwegian. His welfare is equal to the welfare of 92 Russians.
              Quote: Down House
              Well this is all nonsense - do not be offended

              Of course, nonsense. Since you do not like it. In general, it’s quite official IMF data for 2014.
              Quote: Down House
              This is interesting - how did they think ?! Evaluated the value of the goods produced in equal time, whose value already includes the cost of labor of an "effective" European worker ?!

              Oooooh, how's it going. You did not study statistics? In vain. Just that very topic.
              Quote: Down House
              Chinese billionaires are probably dying with laughter, buying up "effective" bankrupt European enterprises wholesale and retail and hiring Turkish and African guest workers to work for them

              Why did you write this?
              By the way, 6 Russians produce as much as 10 Chinese. So, in China, too, not everything is simple. GDP is large. But the people are not measured.
              Quote: Down House
              In general, read less "research by British economists"

              Elementary public figures can easily be calculated by yourself. No one else's help is required in this.
              1. Down House
                Down House 9 December 2015 07: 48 New
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                Quote: topic
                What indicator?

                GDP pancake laughing
                Quote: topic
                It would matter if no one bought this bun. But they are buying.

                DO NOT BUY! I explained to you the subtleties of GDP on "5 fingers" - you did not understand.
                They only buy energy resources - Norway is one of the world leaders in oil export, and this with a population of less than FOUR the daily population of Moscow alone!
                Quote: topic
                By the way, the average Swede is noticeably richer than the average Norwegian. His welfare is equal to the welfare of 92 Russians.

                Enchanting nonsense!
                Again, how to count, British scientists consider even cooler than Indian coders laughing
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                2. topical
                  topical 9 December 2015 11: 51 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Down House
                  It’s more logical to count GDP not from the area, but from the population

                  Quote: Down House
                  Russia takes the 9-10th place in the world and this is actually more than a worthy indicator for our country

                  Quote: Down House
                  GDP pancake

                  Do you hear yourself? Depending on the situation, your priorities change. This is not good.
                  Quote: Down House
                  I explained to you the subtleties of GDP on "5 fingers" - you did not understand.

                  I have not heard this garbage of PPP supporters for more than a decade. Bred for suckers. So that the beggars do not feel so offended that they are beggars, their money virtually becomes more expensive. It’s ridiculous. But suitable for boys of primary school age.
                  Quote: Down House
                  They buy only energy

                  And fish, for example. By the way, I recommend looking at the export structure of the Russian Federation.
                  Quote: Down House
                  Enchanting nonsense!

                  Nevertheless, the opinion of the Allianz group is more valuable to me than yours. Check out at your leisure: https://www.allianz.com/v_1443702256000/media/economic_research/publications/spe
                  cials / en / AGWR2015_ENG.pdf
                  1. Spnsr
                    Spnsr 9 December 2015 13: 12 New
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                    Quote: topic
                    Nevertheless, the opinion of the Allianz group is more valuable to me than yours. Check out at your leisure: https://www.allianz.com/v_1443702256000/media/economic_research/publications/spe

                    cials / en / AGWR2015_ENG.pdf

                    again england pin.dos.a throw us a story! laughing wait a minute, not an English shpien? laughing
                    1. topical
                      topical 9 December 2015 13: 56 New
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                      Quote: SpnSr
                      wait a minute, not an English shpien?

                      No more than you. You use Intel technologies and Microsoft software to communicate on this site.
                      Allianz German band. Publishes annual reports. Last for 2014 released in September. I have not met refutations, on the contrary, it was published by all respected specialized publications, including Russian ones. Maybe you met? Then discard the link.
                      1. Spnsr
                        Spnsr 9 December 2015 17: 10 New
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                        Quote: topic
                        You use Intel technologies and Microsoft software to communicate on this site.

                        This is from the manuals for the liberals! what once again can say that fi is an English spy! laughing Do not be offended, just moving your thoughts, make emphasis on this, from where Russophobia has gone! and again about
                        Quote: topic
                        You use Intel technologies and Microsoft software to communicate on this site.
                        somewhat abstract but in essence what is it? especially in view of the fact that many types of weapons and even technology for the production of shale oil and much more in pin.dos.tane begin to develop actively after the collapse of the USSR, and the spread of cheap grants for certain discoveries!
                        the first drone - Buran, stealth technology - the calculations written off from us due to the fact that it was not a panacea shot down in Yugoslavia f117, the first oil using this technology was extracted in Tatarstan, if my memory serves me, in 70 years they found oil but could not get it, but the party said, and oil flowed in! ...
                        and kindly requested, no statements like
                        Quote: topic
                        You use Intel technologies and Microsoft software to communicate on this site.
                        This is some kind of kindergarten!
                  2. Down House
                    Down House 9 December 2015 13: 20 New
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                    Quote: topic
                    Do you hear yourself?

                    Yes. Man initially compared the area with GDP - this is an incorrect comparison!
                    What you are carrying is generally difficult to understand.
                    Oh yes, "in the west, it is best to live there, everything is cool and wonderful" - that's what you are saying - now I understand why you cannot adequately perceive the reality of the real and round world. fellow
                    Quote: topic
                    And fish, for example.

                    Yeah - and the fish laughing
                    For example, South Korea is the leader in world shipbuilding, and Norway sells fish - did they understand what they wrote? laughing
                    Quote: topic
                    By the way, I recommend looking at the export structure of the Russian Federation.

                    Better than Norway.
                    Quote: topic
                    Nevertheless, the opinion of the Allianz group is more valuable to me than yours. Check out at your leisure: https://www.allianz.com/v_1443702256000/media/economic_research/publications/spe

                    cials / en / AGWR2015_ENG.pdf

                    Page not found - laughing
                    Quote: topic
                    I have not heard this garbage of PPP supporters for more than a decade. Bred for suckers.

                    And yes - not bred, but very valuable information, for example, for those who have money and business. Apparently we evaluate the attractiveness of the economies of different countries from different levels. hi
                    1. topical
                      topical 9 December 2015 14: 21 New
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                      Quote: Down House
                      Yes. Man initially compared the area with GDP - this is an incorrect comparison!

                      Well, why? Often there are sobs of goofies about 1/6 of the land. So the man said that in terms of the economy, this is 2,4% of the world level. Correctly showed you the correct number. What are you fed up with him? You do not like the figure itself? Me too. But really, than rich.
                      Quote: Down House
                      What you are carrying is generally difficult to understand.

                      Do not read economic reports. Since elementary things are complicated for you.
                      Quote: Down House
                      For example, South Korea is the leader in world shipbuilding, and Norway sells fish - did they understand what they wrote?

                      You perfectly understood what I wrote. But you behave incorrectly.
                      Quote: Down House
                      Better than Norway.

                      On what page?
                      Quote: Down House
                      Page not found

                      Do not make up. Or learn to use a computer.
                      Quote: Down House
                      Apparently we evaluate the attractiveness of the economies of different countries from different levels.

                      It's impossible. Because the methodology of this assessment has been developed for a very long time. I mean, there are no different the right levels.
              2. Down House
                Down House 9 December 2015 07: 54 New
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                Quote: Down House
                Oooooh, how's it going. You did not study statistics?

                What did you study? If you want to talk about "labor productivity" - at least study why production runs away from "efficient" European countries to the countries of Southeast Asia.
                Read at least “Toyota Tao. 14 principles of management of a leading company in the world "
                Quote: topic
                By the way, 6 Russians produce as much as 10 Chinese

                Firstly, 6 Russians earn more than 10 Chinese, but personally, I pay for the "average salary" in parallel - I have my own education and my own income, which has nothing to do with the average salary in the EU, which is so popular among the "demshiza" hi
                1. topical
                  topical 9 December 2015 12: 00 New
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                  Quote: Down House
                  Want to talk about "labor productivity"

                  Actually, I wrote about labor efficiency. In monetary terms. And not about who and how many bolts can be machined in 5 minutes.
                  Quote: Down House
                  at least study why production runs away from "efficient" European countries to the countries of Southeast Asia.

                  And what does this have to the subject of our conversation?
                  Quote: Down House
                  Read at least “Toyota Tao. 14 principles of management of a leading company in the world "

                  I'm glad you know the names of the books.
                  Quote: Down House
                  Firstly, 6 Russians earn more than 10 Chinese

                  Actually, I was talking about "work out". This is a little different. In addition, the Chinese are different from the Chinese. Ask about the average salary in Beijing and Moscow. You will be very surprised. Dumbfounded, I would say.
                  Quote: Down House
                  I have my own education and my income

                  Unfortunately, your income is not yet listed in world directories. Therefore, it is difficult for me to compare its level with the level of the rest of the world. But I believe that he will appear there soon. And you?
                  1. Down House
                    Down House 9 December 2015 13: 26 New
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                    Quote: topic
                    Actually, I wrote about labor efficiency. In monetary terms.

                    So it is precisely that the real "effectiveness" is inversely proportional to your opinion about it.
                    Quote: topic
                    And what does this have to the subject of our conversation?

                    Moreover, the economies of Western countries, as well as the labor of workers in these countries, are inefficient.
                    Quote: topic
                    I'm glad you know the names of the books.

                    I also read them.
                    Quote: topic
                    Take an interest in the average salary in Beijing and Moscow. You will be very surprised.

                    What exactly? That the Chinese "proletarian" works "for food" and that the average Chinese businessman-leader is richer than the average Russian one?
                    I already know this - and you think again after that about the "efficiency" of labor.
                    Quote: topic
                    Unfortunately, your income is not yet listed in world directories.

                    You, it seems to me, have some modest ideas about the number of those who have "not an average income" hi
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                      topical 9 December 2015 14: 29 New
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                      Quote: Down House
                      actual "effectiveness" is inversely proportional to your opinion of it.

                      "Balalaika, two strings"? It looks like it.
                      Quote: Down House
                      Moreover, the economies of Western countries, as well as the labor of workers in these countries, are inefficient.

                      Yeah This is a paragraph. Are you an intelligent fitter without a higher education?
                      Quote: Down House
                      I also read them.

                      Not in the horse feed, most likely.
                      Quote: Down House
                      That the Chinese "proletarian" works "for food" and that the average Chinese businessman-leader is richer than the average Russian one?

                      Have you ever been to China? Where did you see the proletariat who works for food? Confused the DPRK with the PRC? It happens.
                      Just in case, I want to inform you that according to Allianz for 2014. the average Chinese man has accumulated wealth 8,9 times greater than the average Russian. By this indicator, the average Russian can be compared with the average Indian (the Indian is 2,1% richer). Or the average Serb (the Serb is 4,4% poorer).
                      Quote: Down House
                      You, it seems to me, have some modest ideas about the number of those who have "not an average income"

                      I am not interested in your economic situation. You are interested, and you are interested.
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    2. Spnsr
      Spnsr 8 December 2015 16: 21 New
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      Quote: ArcanAG
      In fact, he contrasts the myth of stolen / protoukras with the myth of Rus / protorus.

      I also do not understand about the Aryans, and who it is!
      but the author kept track of one thought that all the peoples inhabiting the planet are of the same age, the only thing that slips there is what the author says, but I still hear a question, and an attempt to explain which nation all the others came from!
      one thing is for sure, half of Europe and Ukrainians came from the Slavs !!!
    3. Rivares
      Rivares 8 December 2015 17: 34 New
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      Quote: ArcanAG
      I do not understand. What the hell is this craving for Aryanism? Why are these arias so good?

      I’ll explain to you.
      In Russians, from generation to generation (not in all), certain information is transmitted orally, including who we are and where we are from. It is clear where this craving for "Aryanism" comes from? And the belief of this information is much higher than the "scientists" 20 times over the centuries rewriting history.
  • potalevl
    potalevl 8 December 2015 14: 56 New
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    The author raised a topic that is not uplifting, both for himself and for those who decided to discuss. I think in the near future we will not know the truth. Is it that God will allow man to invent a time machine, which I doubt in particular. And versions about: who are we? what are we? what was with us? what will happen to us ?, probably as many as inquiring minds are asked by such questions. Something like this.
  • ava09
    ava09 8 December 2015 15: 08 New
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    (C) We, as more and more facts about the history of the Rus appear and leak out, we now understand that ethnic people are sometimes a more durable category than other states and the most powerful empires. (C)

    Axiom: The people are primary in relation to the State. Moreover, the greatness of HIS State depends only on the greatness of the People. The author's assertion that people are "sometimes a category" is more durable than states is negligible for this reason. No people - no state. Artificial formations with no less fictitious definitions do not count.
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    2. topical
      topical 8 December 2015 16: 10 New
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      Quote: ava09
      Axiom: The people in relation to the State are primary.

      Not at all. The nation in relation to the state is primary. And the people just do not necessarily. And most often, just the opposite.
      Quote: ava09
      Moreover, the greatness of HIS State depends only on the greatness of the People.

      You are clearly confused terms. Not the People, but the Nation.
  • bear
    bear 8 December 2015 15: 59 New
    +2
    As long as we follow other people's guidelines and do not have “our” history (respectively, politics), we are doomed to failure.

    To the point.
  • Edvagan
    Edvagan 8 December 2015 17: 48 New
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    I would not want to create a myth about the Russian Cro-Magnons. So we will become similar to the creators of the myth about the "ancient ukras", about 10 years of Ukrainian history from Herodotus to the present day. I put the article a minus for the general direction, although some conclusions are quite reasonable.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 December 2015 18: 16 New
    -1
    Reconstruction of the appearance of the first bipedal
    person. According to a fairly complete set of bones 2,8 years old
    from South Africa.
    So what are you - our distant ancestor !!!! Handsome ...- aaaaaaaa !!!!! laughing belay
    1. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 8 December 2015 20: 49 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      first bipedal man. According to a fairly complete set of bones 2,8 million years old

      Homo erectus (Homo erectus) does not apply to modern people.
      Homo sapiens sapiens is a modern type of man and the oldest known bone remains of modern man 7500 years. Traintier found in Holland
      Can be attributed Cro-Magnons in our mind, then the oldest remains of 25000 years
      1. venaya
        venaya 9 December 2015 00: 34 New
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        Quote: Lord of Wrath
        Homo sapiens sapiens is a modern type of man and the oldest known bone remains of modern man 7500 years. Traintier found in Holland
        Can be attributed Cro-Magnons in our mind, then the oldest remains of 25000 years

        Look for more information about the 1963 find in Mexico, there were found traces of a person aged 130 million years, in the footsteps of the leading forensic experts in the United States determined that these traces belong to the species of modern man, as you call him "Homo sapiens sapiens"This information was also published by Michael Cremo.
  • Kyustenkats
    Kyustenkats 8 December 2015 19: 46 New
    +1
    article plus. a good attempt to remind us once again who we are. however, let’s not be like potatoes, in which all the best is in the earth. it’s time for us to do things worthy of our ancestors.
    1. atalef
      atalef 8 December 2015 22: 55 New
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      Quote: Kyustenkats
      article plus. a good attempt to remind us once again who we are. however, let’s not be like potatoes, in which all the best is in the earth. it’s time for us to do things worthy of our ancestors.
      1. Litsvin
        Litsvin 9 December 2015 00: 39 New
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        It’s not for you to touch our Old Man of State - he is the honored national leader of White Russia and Belarus, who during his reign for the country has done more than all the leaders of the BSSR and the Paznyakouts from 1991 to 1994.
        Better about "your" Netanyahu "draw" collage ...
        And yet - we can’t remember something, REMEMBER please, which of the current top Israeli politicians, a wife named Sarah (in Russian, Larisa) collects empty bottles of alcohol, juice and milk left over after solemn receptions at the residence, and appropriated the thousands of shekels, but not the budget? Apparently the poor fellow, doesn’t call for life, economical what ...
  • Gerurra
    Gerurra 8 December 2015 20: 16 New
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    You still need to figure out why almost all documents about fork-shaped crosses were destroyed ?! And why did the current church build church foundations from gravestones with these crosses ?! Is that also a riddle? All of these boards feature the SAME pattern. It consists of a plaque in the center, from which three stripes extend: a straight line - downward and two arcs diverging upward. This is a "forked cross". At the same time, the drawing is extremely reminiscent of a military shield.
  • Lord of Wrath
    Lord of Wrath 8 December 2015 20: 39 New
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    aah ... ppt ...
    GSPDI have mercy, what is done in the minds of most commentators))))))))))
    It is clear why many new accounts are doing in order to tell the truth and go into deep minuses
  • Alisher
    Alisher 8 December 2015 21: 01 New
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    Quote: topic
    Haplogroup R1a (Slavs).

    Please note that the territory of the Kurds stands out clearly, with a level of 15%, while around - 5%. This does not mean that they are Slavs, but that they are genetically (and culturally) different from the environment,
    1. Down House
      Down House 8 December 2015 22: 59 New
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      Quote: Alisher
      This does not mean that they are Slavs, but that they are genetically

      "Genetics" and haplogroup are 2 big differences - the haplogroup does not carry any genetic information.
  • Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 8 December 2015 21: 13 New
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    Well, if the Black Sea neighbors dug up what would the Arctic Ocean not overpower then?)))))
    1. Spnsr
      Spnsr 8 December 2015 21: 53 New
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      Quote: Kyrgyz
      Well, if the Black Sea neighbors dug up what would the Arctic Ocean not overpower then?)))))

      what problems?
      Russia creates a powerful military base in the Arctic
  • Litsvin
    Litsvin 8 December 2015 23: 16 New
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    When our great ancestors Aryans founded Pracivilization in the Balkans and began to explore the space "from Britain to India", there were no "Jews and others like them Moses, Abrams, Isaacs, etc., as well as Egyptians." And this whole blessedness, starting from "chosenness, intelligence, persecution" is exaggerated by the "descendants of Moses" with one single purpose - "we are poor, unhappy, eternally persecuted, everyone does not like us, pogroms, etc." - that is, to expose oneself in the light of the martyrs and in this field "cut down" some small, completely material gesheft. And no one ever wondered why of the many hundreds of ethnic groups that inhabited the "Western world", in all states starting from Ancient Egypt, Great Asia, Babylon, the Hittite kingdom, Ancient Rome, then the states of Medieval Europe and finally the states of Europe of the 20th century, only one ethnical group - Jews, were subjected to systematic persecution. And the answer is SIMPLE - it's not about the PERSONS - WELL CANNOT be all the peoples-persecutors living in different states, at different times, in different territories, bad. So the matter is even so in the persecuted - one persecuted people. And why - because of the way of life and habits. Therefore, for the sake of justice, let them live better at home - the British allocated you "land", Stalin supported and "gave the go-ahead", the Germans paid reparations - live there in your ethnic homeland - and no one will drive you. We, the Slavs, whose land the Germans trampled for 3 years, robbed and killed our gene pool, no one paid any reparations. The "iron" that the USSR took out of Germany is a trifle. And these pitiful handouts to the "eastern workers" - the Russians and Belarusians in the form of 1-2 thousand marks, which the FRG paid in the 90s, cannot be compared with payments to the Israelis.
    By the way, the Great Ancient Greeks with their philosophical school of these Moses "put on the shoulder blades" in all respects, why in Ancient Greece this ethnos was not widespread. The Jews of the ancient Greeks were afraid precisely because they were losing "in the information sphere" - the Greek society, nurtured by the Great Greek philosophy, was not "dark" and did not allow itself to be duped. And in the "physical" plane too - Alexander the Great (Macedonian) "passed through Judea and did not even notice it." In the descriptions of the Great Campaigns, "such a land" with the "chosen people" does not appear among the trophies at all.
    As for us "Indo-Europeans", it was the Aryans who created the Great Civilization - giving life to the Slavs, the Germans, the Celts, the Britons, the Balts, the Iranians, the Hindus and many other ethnic groups. And DNA genealogy, even at the modern level of development of special equipment for DNA analysis, directly confirms that the ancestors of the OVERALLY MOST of the peoples of Europe, Central and East Asia were precisely the Aryans. This science is taking only the first steps so far. Further, there will be more new scientific discoveries that can shed light on many riddles, which are not answered by facts already known from archeology, anthropology, ethnography and ethnogeography.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 December 2015 11: 14 New
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      "And in the" physical "plane too - Alexander the Great (Macedonian)" passed through Judea
      and not even noticing it. "In the descriptions of the Great Campaigns of" such a land "with the" chosen people "
      does not appear among the trophies at all. "/////

      Judea did not have a regular army, only a militia, so, naturally, Alexander's huge army did not meet any resistance ("did not notice Judea"). Alexander the Great appointed his governor and that's it.
      But there are records of his visit to Jerusalem after the capture of Gaza.

      Greek philosophy undoubtedly surpasses Jewish philosophy of that time.
      But Moses Greek philosophers knew there are references to it.
  • Bayun
    Bayun 9 December 2015 01: 26 New
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    Russia is a caste of rulers and warriors. The Russian Magi, who knew history, were almost all destroyed. Remember: "... and for a long time the squad trampled the Magi." So, looking for yesterday is not the best thing to do. But, there is no need to be sad, the Russian Magi will return! And everyone will tell you how and what happened.
  • Logos
    Logos 9 December 2015 04: 37 New
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    The data of linguistics indicate that the Slavic languages ​​were divided from the common Slavic language in the 8-10 centuries. This is much later than, for example, the division of the Germanic or Celtic or, especially Italian languages, indicates the youth of the Slavs and their relatively late entry into the historical arena. The data of archeology point to the same thing - cultures identified as Early Slavic (Prague, Zarubinetskaya etc.) are strikingly poor and undeveloped for their time period, which is typical for wild barbarian peoples that have not yet joined the benefits of civilization

    By the way, the proximity of Russian to Sanskrit and the ancient Indo-European language mentioned in the article only confirms that the native speakers of this language have been culturally isolated for centuries in unchanging living conditions. For the peoples actively developing and carrying out expansion, on the contrary, the rapid development and change of language is characteristic, in which it greatly departs from the ancestral archaic forms

    The relative "genetic purity" of the Slavs and Balts and Germans also points to this archaism. While the western Indo-European tribes, who in the future became Italics, Dorians, Celts and Thracians, conquered Europe, conquering and interfering with the local pre-Indo-European population, and the eastern branches of the Indo-Europeans conquered Iran and India, the ancestors of the Balto-Slavs and Germans sat quietly in their wild forests from all world movements, which is why they have preserved to the greatest extent the "purity" of language and blood
  • palm
    palm 9 December 2015 11: 24 New
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    instead of historical research, the author politicizes history
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 December 2015 12: 37 New
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      What kind of research can be "from the Cro-Magnons"?
      Only political speculation.

      I suggest the following articles:

      1) "Scientists have established: Anglo-Saxons are descendants of Neanderthals: redheads,
      nasty, aggressive ". laughing

      2) "Archaeologists have discovered: Ruso-Cro-Magnons beat the ancient ukrov in prehistoric times!" laughing

      3) "Anthropologists: The ingenuity of the Cro-Magnons suggests that they descended from the ancient Rus". laughing
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  • but still
    but still 9 December 2015 13: 22 New
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    Nestor is right. This is where Russia came from. And many peoples and cultures before Russia.
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