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The dual-use Canopus-ST spacecraft crashes from orbit

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A special interdepartmental commission recognized the lost spacecraft "Kanopus-ST" from the series "Cosmos", which was launched last Saturday. Information Agency TASS, referring to the representative of the Air and Space Forces of Russia, reports that with the dual-purpose apparatus (the stated goal of Canopus-ST: sensing the surface of the Earth, including the ocean, in different wavelength ranges - from light to microwave), communication is not established, and on the separation of the apparatus with the upper stage did not give any results.


According to the preliminary version, the cause of the emergency was that one of the locks holding the spacecraft did not work.

The dual-use Canopus-ST spacecraft crashes from orbit


RIA News reports that the device on the eve received an impulse to descend from orbit. The news agency cites a statement by an interlocutor familiar with the situation:
The impulse to de-orbiting the orbital bundle was given by the Russian 6 specialists in December, when it became obvious that the satellite’s full-time branch did not occur.


It is noteworthy that the source RIA News, continuing to provide information, refers to the US strategic command:
After the impulse, the object abruptly changed its orbital position and began to strike the atmosphere, according to open data from the US strategic command. "Canopus-ST" together with the emergency accelerating unit "Volga" "are completely inoperable due to serious braking damage received while entering the upper dense layers of the Earth’s atmosphere.


Experts believe that the debris of the spacecraft to the surface may not reach, burning in dense layers of the atmosphere. Ministry of Defense space incident leaves no comments.
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  1. cniza
    cniza 7 December 2015 14: 03
    +2
    And there, our partners didn’t come in handy by chance? One seems to be fixed and working.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 7 December 2015 14: 06
      27
      Quote: cniza
      And there, our partners didn’t come in handy by chance?

      there is someone to fuss about without them. It is time to introduce the practice of paying guilty compensation for a lost object.
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 7 December 2015 14: 09
        38
        Quote: lelikas
        It is time to introduce the practice of paying guilty compensation for a lost object.

        It is time to introduce the practice of bringing perpetrators to justice. And to introduce into the current Criminal Code the article "Sabotage" with all, so to speak, arising ... And then Art. 293 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation somehow does not work in the current realities.
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 7 December 2015 14: 12
          14
          True, and even better "sabotage threatening national security" and an article like in the USSR!
          1. jjj
            jjj 7 December 2015 14: 32
            15
            In the light of such reports, the repressions of the thirties no longer look as baseless as the scribes of history are trying to convince us of this. In general, the word sabotage was quite officially used by the head of the presidential administration. And he is a person from the Committee and knows how to give such definitions correctly.
            1. Throw
              Throw 7 December 2015 17: 01
              10
              ..opus with "Canopus" is, of course, full of consternation, but why accidentally removed from orbit an article about a helpless message to the federal assembly ??

              Why do we need to discuss the oil speculation of some kind of igil, but the negative aspects of the activity of our own government cannot be ?!

              Is this "patriotism" with cuts?

              negative
              1. PIN
                PIN 7 December 2015 18: 17
                +2
                Quote: Lance
                negative aspects of the activity of their own government is impossible ?!
                The word "Sabotage" was mentioned above. And, apparently, they do not want to talk about it!
                1. Throw
                  Throw 7 December 2015 20: 40
                  -2
                  Government of Libertakers ...
                  1. Freelancer7
                    Freelancer7 8 December 2015 02: 01
                    +2
                    the ruble is falling because the US is not licking. And while we send the US tries, it will fall ... We will tolerate nothing, we are used to it.
              2. Absurdidat
                Absurdidat 7 December 2015 21: 07
                +5
                Naturally! Would write that our Darkest is the darkest, well, and other popkisses and shapkozakidatelstao, such as a "bubble" around Syria where not a single fly can fly, well, such nonsense would have caught the pluses. And if about the offshore companies of Shuvalov's wife, Chaika's sons, then this is all enemy propaganda, five-column nonsense. Who is pleased to read that Poroshenko is still in power, Ukropistan did not die despite the fascist junta in power, the Americans unloaded well from the air against the Syrians ... well, the Americans did not know that we had a "rab bubble" there. Yes, in general, if Donald Cook was seriously sucked for half a year, how we heroically drove him into unconsciousness with the su-24 with the "khibiny", and everyone does not care that the "khibins" are only put on su-34 ... that no one blinded him, but just brought into the active mode "coast" .. yes, in short, not a forum, but a bunch of uryakalschikov.
            2. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 7 December 2015 21: 05
              -1
              Quote: jjj
              thirties no longer look so baseless

              They do not look groundless at all. It is in the mouth of our liberal, if I may say so, historians, they became groundless. Labor discipline should be! If someone does not understand their responsibility, then it is necessary to carry out explanatory work. Otherwise, we get a collective farm "twenty years without a crop", which we actually observe in the space industry. Accidents, of course, can be, but not with such frequency. Here is a fascinating article on how such phenomena were fought under Stalin. About the fire on the ship "Soviet Azrbaydjan".
              http://aftershock.su/?q=node/335623
              Here are a couple of quotes from it:
              Comrade Krivonosov, the captain of the steamer "Sovet", was arrested and thrown into the casemate. His pompolite, comrade Migushchenko, was thrown there. Also arrested were: the steamship mechanic Chebotarev, the senior mate of the steamship captain Mikhel., The second mate of the captain Nastasiev, the third mate of the captain Tokarenko, the boatswain of the steamer Kuptsov, the first mate of the steamer mechanic Mkhitaryan, the second mate of the captain Budilin, the donkerman of the steamer Elkin, the driver of the steamship steamer Trenin Kharafios, helmsmen of the steamer Berkovsky, Buzulukov, Fishman and Sokolov, the sailors of the steamer Afonin, Shabalin and Rybin.

              Stalin's bloodhounds began to dig the earth with their noses and think about who else would be imprisoned for nothing. First of all, they decided to find out the reason why the Caspian Shipping Company reacted so coolly to the catastrophe of "Soviet Azerbaijan". And they found out that the chief fireman of the shipping company - the head of the fire-technical unit of the 4th department of the VOKhRvod comrade Gibshman - was busy with a much more important matter. This worthy comrade was bothering about a vacation, because he really missed his wife who had left for Astrakhan. Stalin's bloodhounds nodded, sympathized, arrested the exemplary family man Gibshman and threw him into the dungeon.

              Comrade Shteingolts, as it turned out, in his free time from work, drove a little to Harbin, bought there with all kinds of deficit and sold it already at the place of residence, with fat. Private entrepreneurship, as we know from Mr. Chubais's interview, was not encouraged in the USSR. Therefore, Comrade Steingolts found himself in the casemate, next to Gibshman. Therefore, and also because Comrade Steingolts received a message about the explosion on "Soviet Azerbaijan" at the very end of the working day, he went home and went to bed, and began to fuss with organizing assistance to the dying ship only the next morning. In the Stalinist USSR, even sleep was considered a crime. Weise world!
        2. Mareman Vasilich
          Mareman Vasilich 7 December 2015 14: 26
          12
          This is either criminal negligence or sabotage. Both the first and second jurisdictional cases. But there is a third. Education Reform Results. We are reaping the benefits from the 90s to this day. The specialists have nowhere to come from, they simply do not exist, because the scientific base continues to be destroyed.
          1. Penetrator
            Penetrator 7 December 2015 17: 14
            0
            Quote: Mareman Vasilich
            Education Reform Results.

            Read carefully?
            According to the preliminary version, the cause of the emergency was that one of the locks holding the spacecraft did not work.
            This is not a lack of education, but the usual handshaking, at best. At worst, sabotage.
          2. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 7 December 2015 17: 43
            +1
            Quote: Mareman Vasilich
            But there is a third. Education Reform Results. We are reaping the benefits from the 90s to this day. The specialists have nowhere to come from, they simply do not exist, because the scientific base continues to be destroyed.

            Yuri, you know, you are thinking about the same thing, it is still not good for effective managers to see effective managers in space exploration. It’s just bad that all this “doesn’t work” has been going on for a long time, and all at the expense of budget funds. stop
          3. PIN
            PIN 7 December 2015 18: 25
            +1
            Quote: Mareman Vasilich
            This is either criminal negligence or sabotage.

            No! THIS IS MISTAKES !!! Captured !!! After the collapse of the USSR, the government of the Russian Federation-Steering wheel, Steering wheel, JOYSTICK (in their opinion), the MOUSE manipulator!
        3. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 7 December 2015 14: 37
          +6
          And there will be a dream of Solzhenitsin. Some are sitting, others are guarding.
          Understand, punish, it is necessary one way or another. But the question is different. Where to get to replace specialists?
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 7 December 2015 14: 46
            +4
            Quote: ShadowCat
            Where to get to replace specialists?

            Previously, they were prepared at the enterprise, both from graduates and from their specialists.
            1. cniza
              cniza 7 December 2015 14: 49
              +3
              Quote: sa-ag
              Quote: ShadowCat
              Where to get to replace specialists?

              Previously, they were prepared at the enterprise, both from graduates and from their specialists.



              Himself and cook until the last shots are gone, no other is given ...
              1. Koshak
                Koshak 7 December 2015 21: 05
                0
                Quote: cniza
                Himself and cook until the last shots are gone, no other is given ...

                While they will prepare, how many more spacecraft will leave orbit? Good specialists are not produced in a couple of years.
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      2. alllll
        alllll 7 December 2015 14: 32
        +4
        I do not think that there will be many who want to work. Nobody wants to become a scapegoat not all his life
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 7 December 2015 14: 35
        +1
        Quote: lelikas
        there is someone to fuss about without them. It is time to introduce the practice of paying guilty compensation for a lost object.

        Until we start to do all the filling ourselves - it makes no sense, otherwise we will transplant all the designers and technologists.
        It may make sense to collect two devices at once, so that the twins are all in one, the installers will each have autoregistrators with information stored on the servers until start up and say six months of operation, and after an unsuccessful start, disassemble the cog and see where something is messed up.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 7 December 2015 14: 45
          +6
          Quote: Corsair
          Until we start to do all the filling ourselves - it makes no sense, otherwise we will transplant all the designers and technologists.

          Its filling is not a panacea. Even our, domestic units on our bases were installed incorrectly. And "protection from the fool" did not save - they grinded adapters, re-drilled the mounting holes.

          Each accident has a first and last name. (C)
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 7 December 2015 15: 27
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quote: Corsair
            Until we start to do all the filling ourselves - it makes no sense, otherwise we will transplant all the designers and technologists.

            Its filling is not a panacea. Even our, domestic units on our bases were installed incorrectly. And "protection from the fool" did not save - they grinded adapters, re-drilled the mounting holes.
            [/ i] (s)


            Plus
            For I heard about such figures at our TsSKB Progress. Not once and not three or even five.
        2. Ze Kot
          Ze Kot 7 December 2015 14: 53
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          Maybe it makes sense to collect two devices at once and so that as twins they are all one to one



          Then the cost of one object will be twice as much. Moreover, forces, time, materials, money will be spent on the second apparatus. And it will remain unused.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 7 December 2015 19: 05
            -1
            Quote: The Cat
            Then the cost of one object will be twice as much. Moreover, forces, time, materials, money will be spent on the second apparatus. And it will remain unused.

            what why unused? if the first successfully flew, then the second God himself ordered to run! and what kind of cargo is inside, a satellite - they will find it by weight. As far as I understand, mostly carriers often do not reach us, either our specialists are scammers and drinkers ... or they are giving us rotten electronics, or the Americans use some kind of weapon that affects systems such as electronic warfare only in the upper atmosphere .
            1. Ze Kot
              Ze Kot 8 December 2015 10: 44
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              whether the Americans use some kind of weapon that affects systems such as electronic warfare only in the upper atmosphere.



              Do not allow locks to open on RB or zombie workers, insert sensors on the contrary wink
      4. Tor5
        Tor5 7 December 2015 14: 46
        +1
        It’s a pity, of course, but everything happens.
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      6. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 7 December 2015 14: 48
        +1
        Just as in the USSR, the press is the enemy of the people, and forward to break the ice once tired of working head.
      7. Edge_kmv
        Edge_kmv 7 December 2015 14: 56
        +3
        Yep, exactly!!! Moreover, the guilty appoint pupils of locksmiths and cleaners. We will finish the last 3 engineers. Here merchandisers and supervisors do not mow, And Roscosmos to the scrap.
      8. epsilon571
        epsilon571 7 December 2015 16: 57
        0
        Lelikas RU Today, 14:06 PM
        It is time to introduce the practice of paying guilty compensation for a lost object.


        Especially when today the deputies adopted a law stating that an error of 20% can be made when declaring income, naturally underestimating it without any consequences. This is how we fight corruption. An example from life: "An anti-corruption check was being carried out in one of the restaurants in Shanghai. Our compatriot worked as a waitress there, and when she, out of the kindness of her heart, decided to take out pies and tea to the inspectors, the restaurant owner had a seizure, later he was deprived of his license, and the waitress was sentenced to two months of correctional labor. This is the fight against corruption! "
        And in this case it is no longer corruption, it is sabotage and undermining of the country's sovereignty. Good stories are written by our President, right? But I hope that both he and his "government" will not last long in their post.
    2. Finches
      Finches 7 December 2015 14: 07
      20
      Of course fussed around! And quite a while already! Instead of our traditional education, they planted the Western Bologna system ....
      1. cniza
        cniza 7 December 2015 14: 12
        +5
        Quote: Finches
        Of course fussed around! And quite a while already! Instead of our traditional education, they planted the Western Bologna system ....



        There is still an old school there, and it’s hard to imagine what will happen when "Bologna" comes, but it seems to me that the matter is fixable ... Acceptance must work more carefully.
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      3. Good me
        Good me 7 December 2015 14: 36
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        planted the western Bologna system ....


        It looks nice, but in practical terms, in the household, or what ...
      4. mitya24
        mitya24 7 December 2015 16: 03
        +1
        That's for sure. The country has some lawyers and economists. The vocational school system was destroyed, but nothing new was offered in its place. So it turns out that we have 400 lawyers per one intelligent milling machine operator.
      5. mitya24
        mitya24 7 December 2015 16: 03
        0
        That's for sure. The country has some lawyers and economists. The vocational school system was destroyed, but nothing new was offered in its place. So it turns out that we have 400 lawyers per one intelligent milling machine operator.
        1. zekaze1980
          zekaze1980 7 December 2015 20: 01
          0
          Yes, yes, that's for sure, I am one of them (lawyers). :)
      6. Leks69Rus
        Leks69Rus 7 December 2015 17: 40
        0
        When I take the education system here, talent is talent, and I believe that we have enough talented engineers. The question is that the top of us is mired with corruption and impunity. An example of Serdyukov, well, yes, they did a little prank. Again, the director in a large corporation still probably travels with security. So what was he responsible for? Yes, he does not give a shit about our country and that there the satellite fell or something else. About the recent scandal with a seagull the same. Peskov said this is his children, and he is not responsible. Honestly involuntarily remember Stalin.
      7. Leks69Rus
        Leks69Rus 7 December 2015 17: 40
        0
        When I take the education system here, talent is talent, and I believe that we have enough talented engineers. The question is that the top of us is mired with corruption and impunity. An example of Serdyukov, well, yes, they did a little prank. Again, the director in a large corporation still probably travels with security. So what was he responsible for? Yes, he does not give a shit about our country and that there the satellite fell or something else. About the recent scandal with a seagull the same. Peskov said this is his children, and he is not responsible. Honestly involuntarily remember Stalin.
    3. Good me
      Good me 7 December 2015 14: 13
      +4
      Quote: cniza
      And there, our partners didn’t come in handy by chance?


      Nothing to blame on the mirror ...

      At the time, admonish those who oversee this industry, or change the curators.

      Such incidents clearly demonstrate that the "reinforcement" of "personnel", like the appointment of Serdyukov to "Rostec", will inevitably affect such failures.
    4. mitrich
      mitrich 7 December 2015 14: 22
      +7
      "There is no need to blame the mirror, since the face is crooked." I would be guided by this proverb, and not yet another dumping of all our shit on the Democracy of Evil. So you can agree to the point of absurdity, like, the government steals everything in black, because it is the Americans, long-grabbing-bony, have put in this. Do not bend the stick.
      And it’s guilty of razdazystvo, not up to financing for decades, the lack of control of both the expenditure of funds and the work performed. and much more.
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  3. Tanya Ya
    Tanya Ya 7 December 2015 14: 04
    +5
    Again, the problem with space ..... And where is this red dog with its nunotechnology?
  4. Teberii
    Teberii 7 December 2015 14: 05
    0
    Constantly some surprises and money with work to the wind.
    1. Good me
      Good me 7 December 2015 14: 21
      +1
      Quote: Teberii
      Constantly some surprises and money with work to the wind.

      Aww !!! Where are you, selfless, extremely demanding of yourself and your subordinates Zander and Korolev, Glushchenko, and others?

      You are not, or the SYSTEM is not suitable for you to reach your potential?
      1. Finches
        Finches 7 December 2015 14: 26
        +9
        From your commentary I recalled a popular photo walking on the Internet!
      2. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 7 December 2015 14: 37
        +5
        That's it, the system. It is the system that is built in such a way that profit, greed, impunity, irresponsibility, consumerism are at the forefront. Such a system is not capable of creating. Such a system is essentially a parasite, and the parasite only consumes. So the current system consumes what was created by the Soviet creative system and the country's resources, which were carefully collected and left to us by the great ancestors. Left not for mediocre devouring, but for development.
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 7 December 2015 15: 40
          -2
          Quote: Mareman Vasilich
          That's it, the system. It is the system that is built in such a way that profit, greed, impunity, irresponsibility, consumerism are at the forefront. Such a system is not capable of creating. Such a system is essentially a parasite, and the parasite only consumes. So the current system consumes what was created by the Soviet creative system and the country's resources, which were carefully collected and left to us by the great ancestors. Left not for mediocre devouring, but for development.


          Why do American, Japanese, European and other satellites from countries of greed and profit fly perfectly?

          If you want an honest answer, I will give it to you.
          Crucify ... thy - this is the main criterion and stupidity.
          Think for yourself - who in 90 didn’t leave space? Who remained at the enterprises to work for real pennies?
          I will answer for you.
          The most lazy and useless.
          Do not care.
          Unable to even think about their family and their income level.
          They didn’t care.
          Those. whom they didn’t even take to private firms, because they were useless.
          It was they who remained at the space enterprises.
          Over the years, aplomb they have grown to hell.
          A sense of Own Greatness is off the charts for over 9000. "Why: We make rockets!"

          and now we get what we get.
          Although now they began to push loot into the defense industry - but it's all past. useless.
          Those who came to work for a penny began to get good money.
          But he did not work better. Just can not.

          Everyone who was even a little head-left. they had to feed their families and think about their future.
          1. mitya24
            mitya24 7 December 2015 15: 58
            +1
            Easy, unfinished truth-teller. I will answer the question "who did not leave space in the 90s." Who in the Soviet system was brought up as a patriot and a MAN, and not as a ripper and a traitor. My father did not receive a salary for eight months, but he continued to work.
            1. mav1971
              mav1971 7 December 2015 16: 45
              -5
              Quote: mitya24
              Easy, unfinished truth-teller. I will answer the question "who did not leave space in the 90s." Who in the Soviet system was brought up as a patriot and a MAN, and not as a ripper and a traitor. My father did not receive a salary for eight months, but he continued to work.


              And what did they live for when they didn’t bring money for 8 months?
              Do you remember now?

              patriotism has nothing to do with it.
              And a man with a capital letter does not feed on the holy spirit.
              Let’s write the truth - what did you live on?
              1. mav1971
                mav1971 8 December 2015 06: 45
                -2
                The minusers pulled up.
                so what? continue to cover up with pompous and pathos words - real laziness and nonsense?
                Now then, after 25 years - you can talk a lot.

                I’ll say just in case, I worked at the aircraft factory number 18 in those years, and through the fence - TsSKB Progress.
                The whole picture of 1988-1993 years before our eyes. And barter down jackets and sneakers instead of a salary, and vouchers bought up in stalls for 2 thousands.

                Come on, write ...
        2. Cube123
          Cube123 7 December 2015 16: 07
          +3
          When the hope is not for engineering calculation, but for a priest with a censer ... It just happens.

          http://pikabu.ru/story/pro_baykonur_i_osvyashchenie_raket__skanyi_iz_prokuratury
          i_1379323
  5. Abakan
    Abakan 7 December 2015 14: 05
    0
    EEEE brother)))) Kanopus-ST dual-purpose spacecraft do not scare the article with such a title)))) now the libero pederasts = Anglo-Saxons will begin)))) DUAL))
  6. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 7 December 2015 14: 06
    +5
    It is unfortunate that there are such mistakes! Such an expensive project, how many people worked so that everything would go to the dog’s tail because of the castle ..
    1. Tanya Ya
      Tanya Ya 7 December 2015 14: 28
      0
      dchegrinec

      Call a spade a spade.
      On a dog under the tail, and in the upper atmosphere. (I.e. to heaven!)
    2. 2s1122
      2s1122 7 December 2015 15: 15
      +2
      It's a pity, but this is a technique. And on the earth at least 1000 times check the work and everything will be normal, and a failure will occur 1001 times. It's a shame that people in the assembly room are on treason right now, the mood there is also for all hard workers.
  7. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 7 December 2015 14: 06
    0
    probably insured.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 7 December 2015 15: 41
      0
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      probably insured.


      And what's the point? It was made almost 10 years - this satellite ...
      10 years old will new do?
  8. venaya
    venaya 7 December 2015 14: 07
    0
    RIA Novosti source, continuing to provide information, refers to US strategic command

    Let's wait for more serious sources of information. Everything happens, it happens that the media are mistaken, by the way quite often.
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 7 December 2015 15: 23
      +1
      And what kind of information can there be if the device burns out in the atmosphere, telemetry data will give out what everyone knows. In Soviet times, I think there were a lot of state of emergency too, it just wasn’t said at all and it wasn’t printed anymore.
  9. Roman 57 rus
    Roman 57 rus 7 December 2015 14: 08
    0
    Here I am interested, but it is impossible to make it so that astronauts with the ISS can correct such situations in the future? Still, it’s a little expensive to ruin such satellites.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 7 December 2015 14: 14
      +6
      Yeah, they’ll catch up with the satellite, they will cook, they will weld, they will knock with wrenches and hammers with keys, and fellow , think what you write then? Although in the distant future, everything is possible!
      1. Roman 57 rus
        Roman 57 rus 7 December 2015 14: 20
        +1
        I believe that moving in this direction will be correct. Until the invention of the landing systems for faulty satellites.
      2. mitrich
        mitrich 7 December 2015 14: 26
        +1
        Yeah, they’ll catch up with the satellite, they will cook, they will weld, they will knock with wrenches and hammers with their keys, and they will fix it, think what you write then? Although in the distant future, everything is possible!

        Why not! As in the movie "Armageddon", our cosmonaut Andropov repaired everything with a monkey wrench and our mother! lol
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    2. 2s1122
      2s1122 7 December 2015 15: 27
      0
      It is possible if they only launch a program similar to shuttles or something similar.
    3. Cube123
      Cube123 7 December 2015 16: 22
      +1
      Shuttle Americans used a Hubble telescope repair during the initial manufacture of the mirror which made errors.

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Хаббл_(телескоп)#.D0.A2.D0.B5.D1.85.D0.BD.D0.B8.D1
      .87.D0.B5.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.BE.D0.B5_.D0.BE.D0.B1.D1.81.D0.BB.D1.83.D0.B6.D0.B8.D0.
      B2.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.B8.D0.B5_.D1.82.D0.B5.D0.BB.D0.B5.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.BE.D0.BF.D0.B
      0
  10. DenZ
    DenZ 7 December 2015 14: 08
    +3
    Very bad news. Highly sad
  11. Trigger-Happy
    Trigger-Happy 7 December 2015 14: 16
    +1
    Quote: Penetrator
    It is time to introduce the practice of bringing perpetrators to justice. And to introduce into the current Criminal Code the article "Sabotage" with all, so to speak, arising ... And then Art. 293 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation somehow does not channel in the current realities.

    I think this will not work, only you scare people away and nobody will go to work. Here, the approach itself needs to be changed, because this was not the case in the union, but everything was transferred to new rails and you’re the ass !!!
  12. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 7 December 2015 14: 18
    0
    But when will it work out in our space industry?
    Not only that, in money, the damage is rather big, but also a strong blow to the reputation. Found the cause of the breakdown? Criminal proceedings against irresponsible individuals.
  13. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 7 December 2015 14: 19
    +2
    Starts to get bored already. We are going out into space yet. We are flying. We hope to sort and eliminate everything on the shelves. Perhaps more than one year will go away.
  14. Tatarname
    Tatarname 7 December 2015 14: 28
    -1
    How much money flew back into space. Pensioners have already begun to malnourish ...
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/412/zerk480.jpg
  15. kepmor
    kepmor 7 December 2015 14: 28
    +5
    All accidents with carriers and satellites in recent years are more and more like the most common Sabotage!
    Once again, the next commission will calculate the "next switchman" -master or engineer (at best), and "things will be there even now"! 10 years of development and production of this satellite and billions of rubles - all "down the drain"!
    By the way, the main purpose of "Kanopus-ST" is the search for submarines.
    Now tell me, who was it profitable for?
    Anyone from the leadership of Roscosmos will incur criminal punishment? What are you, but not in life !!! After all, our president is the most "main liberal" on planet Earth!
  16. rearmi
    rearmi 7 December 2015 14: 39
    -2
    The idea does not leave that there is just a dummy. Easy cut dough ..
    I hope I'm mistaken and the reason is really in one of the castles.
    Although the essence of this, alas, does not change.
  17. kaschey
    kaschey 7 December 2015 14: 40
    -4
    Don't worry too much. I just crossed the border of Turkey, so the Turks once again hurried in advance, it's good that there were no pilots on board, otherwise it is again an international shame - they will say "push" in the back ...
    I wonder where the patience of the Russians ends?
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 8 December 2015 18: 37
      0
      When it ended, many didn’t seem to many wink !
  18. Killj
    Killj 7 December 2015 14: 41
    -1
    What "success" is this?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 December 2015 21: 28
      -1
      Probably the tenth - a full trampoline is close.
  19. Neputin
    Neputin 7 December 2015 14: 43
    +1
    What, again, something was screwed wrong? Ah Joseph Vissarionovich on you not! Has the castle failed? Understood in 5 days. He who screwed 10 years for sabotage and stupidity, to the inspector and shift supervisor for 25 for sloppiness and negligence, to shoot the project manager, to shoot the head of Roscosmos (a joke of humor). At the same time, you can shoot Chubais with his camarilla - everyone knows why (not a joke of humor). To defeat Rogozin in rights, prohibiting the use of social. networks for self-PR. Although - a trend, however. Maybe it’s true that we can work normally only in conditions of tough, totalitarian leadership, but we have just given free rein, so we relax? Maybe you need it like Stalin? Everything will work like a clock the next day.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 7 December 2015 14: 49
      -2
      Quote: Neputin
      Maybe you need it like Stalin? Everything will work like a clock the next day.

      Like Stalin, say ...
      ... by order of the XVIII GU NKOP of January 1, 1939 "... for the repeated and gross violation of budget and financial discipline at the factory of the deputy director (No. 24 - MM), comrade Borisov PA, dismissed and used on less responsible work. Indicate the director of plant No. 24 Borisov of the violation of financial and budgetary discipline. ".
      On January 13, by order of NKOP No. 16 / k, a decision was made "... 1. Comrade Borisov IT should be removed from the work of the director of plant No. 24; 2. Comrade DM Sokolov should be appointed director of factory No. 24, relieving him of work as factory director No. 20. "
      And, as the end of this series of orders, January 20 I.T. Borisov was appointed director of ... factory number 20!

      Thus, all the menacing distributions and orders came down to one thing - the director, who could not cope with work at one aircraft factory, was appointed director of another aircraft factory.
      (c) Mikhail Mukhin. Soviet aircraft industry on the eve of the Second World War.
  20. Neputin
    Neputin 7 December 2015 14: 54
    -4
    They say what you name the ship, so it will float. And this applies to satellites, I wonder? And then there is some name, associations arise "Canopus", cannabis ...
    1. Flinky
      Flinky 7 December 2015 15: 55
      +4
      Smoke less. Canopus is a star (Kiel alpha).
  21. kaschey
    kaschey 7 December 2015 14: 54
    -1
    Advising the course is not grateful, but the guys have to decide finally, or to build museums for people who ruined the country and openly open up, or to launch satellites, these are completely opposite tasks, especially right after the birthday of the greatest humorist of all times and peoples Khazanov. (Just the elite of society , where the average worker or miner to such great people .....)
    Toscaaaaaa .....
  22. vk77
    vk77 7 December 2015 15: 10
    0
    Well .... It doesn’t matter. They will find new money. Another system, such as Plato, will be introduced. For example, on pedestrians coming from Moscow to work in Moscow. And then there are so many of them in the morning in electric trains.
  23. Djclone
    Djclone 7 December 2015 15: 14
    0
    I will not hide, I was waiting for this launch for a long time. Since the beginning of the year, I have been waiting for this satellite to be withdrawn. I was very glad when there were reports of a successful launch and here it is ... This is the 3rd !!! the failure of our space program this year. Even the Chinese and Indians make trouble-free launches. We have that not two years, three emergency launches each year. And this is against the background of the recently formed and approved budget of 1,5 trillion rubles for Roscosmos. It's a shame, it’s a pity the work of people and a pity so many missed opportunities for both science and our defense industry
  24. 31rus
    31rus 7 December 2015 15: 16
    0
    Dear, it’s necessary, you just need to understand both technology and production, change managers, lose time, it seems that the system itself needs to be reviewed, from training a specialist to a designer, the problem cannot be solved with money, oddly enough, it’s necessary to educate educate personnel
  25. garik77
    garik77 7 December 2015 15: 16
    0
    It's time to end up with a mess at the manufacturers of space technology. It is necessary to introduce military acceptance, establish personal responsibility for components and assemblies ..
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 7 December 2015 15: 32
      0
      You might think that the military did not give acceptance, alas. And this despite the fact that the satellite is of the 2nd destination.
  26. Seryoga0629
    Seryoga0629 7 December 2015 15: 27
    +1
    And when asked, the guilty will be responsible for this ?! how long to!
  27. Alexey X
    Alexey X 7 December 2015 15: 51
    0
    Hang the guilty
  28. Flinky
    Flinky 7 December 2015 15: 54
    +1
    Fake.
    The same FSA refuted itself: http://www.interfax.ru/russia/483490
  29. vandarus
    vandarus 7 December 2015 16: 02
    +1
    Negligence, sabotage, partners fussed ..... do not tell. The reasons are the lack of skilled workers, the lack of normal military acceptance, and an outdated production base.
  30. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 7 December 2015 17: 48
    +4
    We launched two satellites. One - "Canopus", built for almost ten years, he could search for submarines. The second is a small blank with a transponder for calibrating the Almaz-Antey radar.
    With the disc, as you understand, everything is in order. With a "high-tech" item that could seriously affect the capabilities of our intelligence, there was "OH".
    Three options.
    First, there really was an accident, or rather marriage, but it happened by accident with this particular satellite.
    Second, "our western partners" are really interested in the fact that it does not work. I think they have the opportunity, stories with similar and strictly selective emergency situations on Protons prove this.
    Third. The satellite, despite ten years of efforts, did not work in full, so as not to have problems with the customer and equipment not working, they got rid of the satellite in this way. The insurance will satisfy everyone, but the military does not care about the problems of everyone.
  31. 12571752dima
    12571752dima 7 December 2015 18: 14
    0
    "Was there a boy? .." Maybe they start stupidly cans without filling? .. Try to prove it later - after all, everything burned out in the dense layers of the atmosphere ... And the "saved" loot is shared together ... And everyone is happy. What is not an option? .. All these numerous accidents at startup are very suspicious ... ((
  32. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 7 December 2015 18: 15
    0
    Quote: 2s1122
    .In Soviet times, I think there were also a lot of emergency

    In Soviet times, according to statistics, there was a 4,2% state of emergency. Now in Russia - 5,4% of unsuccessful launches.
  33. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 7 December 2015 18: 49
    0
    "Kanopus-ST" is de-orbiting in an emergency
    It's a shame what can I say. But - do not stop!
  34. Aleksandr2012
    Aleksandr2012 7 December 2015 19: 53
    0
    Quote: mav1971
    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
    That's it, the system. It is the system that is built in such a way that profit, greed, impunity, irresponsibility, consumerism are at the forefront. Such a system is not capable of creating. Such a system is essentially a parasite, and the parasite only consumes. So the current system consumes what was created by the Soviet creative system and the country's resources, which were carefully collected and left to us by the great ancestors. Left not for mediocre devouring, but for development.


    Why do American, Japanese, European and other satellites from countries of greed and profit fly perfectly?

    If you want an honest answer, I will give it to you.
    Crucify ... thy - this is the main criterion and stupidity.
    Think for yourself - who in 90 didn’t leave space? Who remained at the enterprises to work for real pennies?
    I will answer for you.
    The most lazy and useless.
    Do not care.
    Unable to even think about their family and their income level.
    They didn’t care.
    Those. whom they didn’t even take to private firms, because they were useless.
    It was they who remained at the space enterprises.
    Over the years, aplomb they have grown to hell.
    A sense of Own Greatness is off the charts for over 9000. "Why: We make rockets!"

    and now we get what we get.
    Although now they began to push loot into the defense industry - but it's all past. useless.
    Those who came to work for a penny began to get good money.
    But he did not work better. Just can not.

    Everyone who was even a little head-left. they had to feed their families and think about their future.

    So it was! I also didn’t have a desire to work for the defense industry in the late nineties. More precisely, there was a desire, but when I looked at idiots and drunken pensioners, it abruptly disappeared. And the salary of $ 200 with the prospect of increasing to 250 did not add up when, at the same time, Studying at the institute and working at a construction site, it was possible to earn 500. Now money is being poured, but it is of little use, since an entire generation of personnel has been lost.
  35. prawdawsegda
    prawdawsegda 7 December 2015 21: 41
    0
    I’ll fantasize. For each carrier and satellite it is necessary to add equipment from corrected air bombs. In case of an accident, let some people bombard in Qatar, some in Saudi Arabia, etc.
  36. Earnest
    Earnest 7 December 2015 22: 07
    +2
    Quote: mav1971
    Why do American, Japanese, European and other satellites from countries of greed and profit fly perfectly?
    If you want an honest answer, I will give it to you.
    Crucify ... thy - this is the main criterion and stupidity.


    This is unlikely anyone can challenge. And here is the phrase below ...

    Quote: mav1971
    Think for yourself - who in 90 didn’t leave space? Who remained at the enterprises to work for real pennies?
    I will answer for you.
    The most lazy and useless.
    Do not care. ... Everyone who was even a little head-left. they had to feed their families and think about their future.

    I will answer who did not leave. For example, such as those who ran through the mountains with a machine gun, and the family sucked horseradish for half a year without pay. Or vigorous missiles were guarded by officers' guards when the shortage of soldiers was 50%. Or ... yeah, on this site, 50% of people went through the poverty of the 90s because of their moral principles, and each has its own story! The laziest and most useless? Well, I'm ready to show off, to argue about success. As usual, by example. While he was "available", in September 2007 he got a quiet job as a simple hard worker, two weeks later a foreman, then a foreman, a shop manager, a dealer center director, a deputy director for security, a "clean" deputy, director, then business, now co-founder of several organizations with a turnover of a significant part of a billion. As it is now seen, I thought about my future, about my family, when did not leave? Who the hell out of me will beat the confidence that I owe my well-being to the 90's army school in its best form.
  37. Old26
    Old26 7 December 2015 22: 15
    +1
    Quote: mav1971
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    probably insured.


    And what's the point? It was made almost 10 years - this satellite ...
    10 years old will new do?

    Well, the next type of Canopus will be launched in 2016. although this is not a modification of the CT, the second one is not planned

    Quote: Trigger-Happy
    Here the approach itself needs to be changed, because in the union this was not

    It happened. In each year, in different ways. For example, in 1980 there were no accidents, there were only two partially successful and one launch vehicle failure. In 81 - 2 emergency and 2 partially successful. At 82 it was SEVEN emergency and two partially successful ...

    Quote: Corsair0304
    But when will it work out in our space industry?
    Not only that, in money, the damage is rather big, but also a strong blow to the reputation. Found the cause of the breakdown? Criminal proceedings against irresponsible individuals.

    It is not necessary that this be a malicious intent. It could be tested 100 times on the ground and the castle opened perfectly, but something went wrong in space. And that’s all. The lock did not open. Who should be brought to trial?

    Quote: Djclone
    All accidents with carriers and satellites in recent years are more and more like the most ordinary SABOTAGE! Once again, the next commission will calculate the "next switchman" -master or engineer (at best), and "things will be there now!" 10 years of development and production of this satellite and billions of rubles - everything is "down the drain"! By the way, the main purpose of "Kanopus-ST" is to search for submarines. Now tell me, who was profitable? Someone from the Roskosmos management will incur criminal punishment ? What are you, but not in life !!! After all, our president is the most "main liberal" on planet Earth!

    And the fact that this is an accident you do not take into account ??? Necessarily sabotage?
    And most importantly, how does everyone want to plant someone? Do you think that from this the satellites will cease to fail ?? Or maybe you still need to rebuild the entire industry, and not use in the satellites the electronics that we will be sold instead of the right one?
  38. klopik1
    klopik1 7 December 2015 22: 17
    0
    glory to the Russian cosmonautics cheers comrades pah-you gentlemen
  39. garik77
    garik77 8 December 2015 00: 33
    0
    Moscow. December 7. INTERFAX.RU - According to the Pentagon's US Space Control System, the Kanopus-ST (Kosmos-2511) and KYuA-1 (Kosmos-2512) spacecraft after the launch of the rocket from Plesetsk on December 5 Soyuz-2.1V carrier successfully separated from the Volga launch unit.

    The Volga injection unit that remained in orbit was assigned the international number 2015-071C (according to the NORAD catalog - 41100). It is in an orbit with an inclination of 98,19 degrees, an altitude of 655 km at apogee, and 106 km at perigee.

    The Kosmos-2511 spacecraft received the numbers 2015-071A (41098). It is in an orbit with an inclination of 98,18 degrees, an altitude of 694 km at apogee, and a perigee of 694 km.

    The Kosmos-2512 satellite has numbers 2015-071B (41099). It is in orbit with parameters similar to Kosmos-2511.

    http://www.interfax.ru/russia/483490

    Well, and whom to believe ???