The repaired T-50-5Р has returned to Zhukovsky

At the airfield of the Research Institute. Gromov in Zhukovsky from Komsomolsk-on-Amur arrived to resume testing the flight model of the 5 generation T-50-5Р (aircraft No. 055), the blog reports bmpd.

T-50-5Р (tail number "055") after arrival in Zhukovsky, 06.12.2015

On Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation The plant was shipped in 2014 after an accident that occurred during a demonstration flight.

T-50-5Р (tail number "055") flies from Komsomolsk-on-Amur to Zhukovsky, 04.12.2015

“10 June 2014, the T-50-5 aircraft suffered serious damage as a result of a fire in the right engine when landing after a demonstration flight in Zhukovsky before the Indian delegation. The plane was sent to KnAAZ for repairs, which took more than a year, ”the blogger writes.

After repairing the restored car received a new designation - T-50-5Р.

T-50-5Р (tail number "055") during a stopover in Tolmachevo (Novosibirsk)

Comments

[meriem1]

Oh, what a bird !!! Swift and so Beautiful !!! Well, where are these vaunted raptors? Here he is. Aircraft ....

[kodxnumx]

Apparently something new was stuffed into it! By the way it was.

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Quote: kod3001

Apparently something new was stuffed into it! By the way it was.

Just thought, it would not make sense without improvements and improved equipment to send for tests.

[ava09]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Quote: kod3001

Apparently something new was stuffed into it! By the way it was.

Just thought, it would not make sense without improvements and improved equipment to send for tests.

The meaning of the existence of the prototype lies precisely in verifying compliance with the given parameters, and according to the results, in corrections, improvements, and upgrades. An experimental machine inevitably changes to one degree or another, regardless of whether there was a fire on it or not.

[cniza]

Quote: meriem1

Oh, what a bird !!! Swift and so Beautiful !!! Well, where are these vaunted raptors? Here he is. Aircraft ....

Krasava, a little damp, but will soon be brought to mind and should earn a whole platform.

[Vita vko]

It is a pity that they did not write the cause of the fire.
But the plane is really unique. One feels a great future.

[Black Colonel]

And would you write easier?

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: Black Colonel

And would you write easier?

Indeed.
For example, who remembers why they lost the MiG-29 tests (in my opinion, Alexander Fedotov himself put him on the wing).
Often during tests, samples are lost, for which they are. The main thing is that then the combat vehicles would not have non-combat losses.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vita VKO

It is a pity that they did not write the cause of the fire.
But the plane is really unique. One feels a great future.

Eliminated, made conclusions, restored ... this is the fine-tuning of the machine to the mind. It is necessary to eliminate to the maximum all "childhood diseases", shortcomings and hidden problems, so that something serious does not pop up in the series that the designers overlooked.
Of course, it would speed up work on the engine of the second stage, but apparently not everything is there as smoothly as planned, although the deadlines for the delivery of product-30 in my opinion did not move forward.

[Lord_Sita]

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[WUA 518]

Quote: Vita VKO

It is a pity that they did not write the cause of the fire.

10.06.14/XNUMX/XNUMX at the end of the flight task, the command "RIGHT ENGINE AUTOMATION FAILURE" was sent to KISS, after the landing gear was released, the command "RELEASE RIGHT SPEED. CHIP IN OIL" was sent to KISS. The pilot reduced the speed on MG, the team did not withdraw, the pilot turned off the right engine, landing on the left. After landing, releasing the TP, stopping on the runway and turning off the left engine, the RP transmitted a command to the pilot about smoke in the area of ​​the right engine. The pilot left the plane. A fire started, as a result of which the object received significant damage "

[NEXUS]

Quote: WUA 518

10.06.14/XNUMX/XNUMX at the end of the flight task, the command "RIGHT ENGINE AUTOMATION FAILURE" was sent to KISS, after the landing gear was released, the command "RELEASE RIGHT SPEED. CHIP IN OIL" was sent to KISS. The pilot reduced the speed on MG, the team did not withdraw, the pilot turned off the right engine, landing on the left. After landing, releasing the TP, stopping on the runway and turning off the left engine, the RP transmitted a command to the pilot about smoke in the area of ​​the right engine. The pilot left the plane. A fire started, as a result of which the object received significant damage "

Greetings, Sasha Glad to see you in good health.
Well, now everything has been restored. Let's see how the ICG goes on ...
Best regards

[Lord_Sita]

Hello to you too

[marlin1203]

What do you mean, "Well, where are these vaunted raptors?" In fact, for a long time in service with the US Air Force are ...

[Penetrator]

Quote: marlin1203

What do you mean, "Well, where are these vaunted raptors?" In fact, for a long time in service with the US Air Force are ...

In fact, they are already going to write off, as the resource is exhausted, "raptors" -that. And their production has stopped for three years already. And not so many of them were produced - about 200 cars, in my opinion. And in vain, a good front-line fighter turned out.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Penetrator

a good front-line fighter turned out.

The Lizard is a fighter for gaining superiority in the air. A front B-K rather F-16 (MiG-29) will be.

[Rus2012]

Quote: meriem1

Oh, what a bird !!!

After repairing the restored car received a new designation - T-50-5Р.

... I remember how many "sofa experts" predicted the car at best - to be a "bench model" when studying materiel

And there it is!
Respect and respect to engineers and designers, as well as to everyone involved in putting the board on board!

[Lord_Sita]

Next year, T-50-3 will be made from T-50-4 and T-50-9.

[venaya]

It is a pity that only one plane is available. How do you want them to be as many as possible (at least for testing).

[Penetrator]

What makes you think that he is alone? The number "5" in the designation kakbe hints And "R", probably, means "repair" now. Although what kind of repaired, if his entire airframe was replaced? Almost a new plane ...

[user1212]

Quote: venaya

It is a pity that only one plane is available. How do you want them to be as many as possible (at least for testing).

uh ... there are 8 + 3 of them created for ground tests

[MolGro]

There are 7 of them on the project 8!
8 finish)
after 8 is the first serial!
T-50-0/T-50-KPO — Structurally similar sample for ground and strength tests
T-50-KNS — Integrated full-scale stand (KNS) for ground testing
T-50-1 51 The first flight prototype. The first flight took place on January 29, 2010.
T-50-2 52 Second flight prototype. The first flight took place on March 3, 2011.
T-50-3 53 The third flight prototype. The first flight took place on November 22, 2011.
T-50-4 54 The fourth flight prototype. The first flight took place on December 12, 2012.
T-50-5 55 Fifth flight prototype. The first flight took place on October 27, 2013.
T-50-6-1- Sixth prototype (prototype of the second stage) for static tests.
T-50-6-2 56 Sixth flight prototype of the second stage. Manufacture.
Т-50-7 57 The seventh flight prototype of the second stage. The first flight took place on October 27, 2015.
T-50-8 58 The eighth flight prototype of the second stage. Manufacturing.

[cniza]

Thanks for the detailed information.

[mvg]

I lied a little.
The glider of the 6th instance went to the restoration of the 5th. The sixth, respectively, will be completed for ground statics // According to the PPV user from the forums.airforce.ru forum, on October 16, he completed the first flight of the T-50-5P - an airplane rebuilt after a T50-5 fire on June 10, 2014 in Zhukovsky after a test flight. In the recovery process, the nodes of T-50-6, stopped in production, were used.//.
As for 7 and 8, I did not hear them fly. There was info about freezing ..
PS: In general, it turned out ugly. Lord Indians with grandmas in their pockets, come to Zhukovsky to see where their mani-mani are spent. And we, during a demonstration flight, have an accident, which took a year to eliminate ... Tovarisch Stalin would have dispersed everyone at once .. both responsible and not responsible.

[MolGro]

it says so) in the manufacture!
I don’t know the question, but you’re right, the spare parts from it were restored for restoration)

[Rus2012]

Quote: mvg

Tovarisch Stalin would have dispersed everyone at once .. both responsible and not responsible

... Gasyan was removed along the way for all the good, incl. and for the shortcomings of T-write. Such non-times. Liberal ...

[Massik]

T-50, "Armata", AK12 well wait, wait, wait ...
By 2017, they can and will begin to rearm.

[dchegrinec]

Now the fifth bird flies. How many more are needed before mass production. Make a new engine, it will be just a monster! The missiles on the way are new and much more ... we can’t wait!

[iliitchitch]

Quote: dchegrinec

Now the fifth bird flies. How many more are needed before mass production. Make a new engine, it will be just a monster! The missiles on the way are new and much more ... we can’t wait!

They recently wrote that the engines of the second stage were moved to the 18th year ... So what is in the series will go. It's a pity we didn't have time. It seems to me that not the second stage will be already, but some "second ++".

[MolGro]

who knows who knows))
KUBIN (Moscow region), October 5 - RIA Novosti. An engine for a promising aerospace aircraft, which will be used both in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and in the civilian sphere, was created in the Serpukhov branch of the Peter the Great Strategic Missile Forces Military Academy, an Academy spokesman told RIA Novosti on Monday.
Exhibition Innovation Day of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Archive photo
© RIA Novosti. Ekaterina Zgirovskaya
The Bulava developer will supply the RF Ministry of Defense with water purification units
The combined air-rocket engine with a ramjet pulsating combustion chamber, a prechamber and an air-start system was created to enable the propulsion system to operate both in the atmosphere and in outer space.

"The problem of creating a combined power plant for the aircraft to transfer the engine from air to rocket in space during flight in the atmosphere has been solved. The engine includes a power plant operating on two circuits (modes) - air and rocket," explained the representative of the Academy in during the exhibition "Innovation Day of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - 2015".

[NEXUS]

Quote: iliitch

Here recently they wrote, the engines of the second stage were moved to the 18th year ... So what is there will go into the series.

Where did you get that you moved the deadlines? It was originally said that the product-30 will be installed from the age of 18. As for the AL-41F1 engine, so with it all the requirements for a 5th generation fighter are met.

Quote: iliitch

It seems to me that not the second stage will be already, but some "second ++".

Well, it's too early to talk about the engine of the second stage, but the T-50 itself, taking into account what is being declared and what is being kept secret, I think the production car can be attributed to the 5+ generation. Although many can argue with this. The raptor is a 5th generation fighter, and our PAK FA is designed to surpass an American opponent.
Best regards

[Lord_Sita]

Hi leaky forehead! Where is Sanya-cheburator?

[absurdity]

Sorry, but which new missiles are coming? Those that were announced for poltosik had already been baked for a long time, as Korotchenko wrote in his journal two years ago.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Absurdidat

Sorry, but which new missiles are coming? Those that were announced for poltosik had already been baked for a long time, as Korotchenko wrote in his journal two years ago.

X-59MK2 and X-58USHKE of square section.
X-59MK2 designed to hit stationary ground targets with known coordinates. The guidance system is combined: inertial and satellite GPS / GLONASS, at the end of the trajectory, the optoelectronic homing head is turned on. The flight of the rocket takes place at an altitude of 50-300 meters, the warhead of two types: penetrating and cluster.
X-58USHKE anti-radar. Equipped with a broadband passive homing head: the rocket hears any activity on the air, but no one hears it. The "radar killer" flies three times faster than sound at a distance of up to 250 kilometers and delivers a 150-kilogram high-explosive warhead to the target
R-73E,The missile control system employs a scheme of all-aspect passive infrared homing, that is, the principle of "let it go - forget it." The missile will overtake the target, and it can be at an altitude of up to 20 kilometers and make bends with an overload of up to 12 g. An eight kilogram warhead of explosive carried by the R-73E is enough to cause fatal damage to any aircraft
RVV-DBThe target for this missile can be at an altitude of up to 25 kilometers and at a range of up to 200 kilometers. The RVV-BD employs a time-tested inertial guidance system with radio correction and active radar homing in the final section of the trajectory. The warhead is represented by a high-explosive fragmentation mass weighing 60 kilograms
RVV-SDIt is intended to destroy not just air targets, but also, possibly, flying armored objects. For example, attack helicopters, which are known to have partial reservations. The warhead of the RVV-SD is made in a multi-cumulative version, and the explosive device is a laser non-contact target sensor
X-31ADRCC (anti-ship missile) is capable of delivering a charge of 110 kg to a target located at a distance of up to 160 kilometers. The rocket reaches a speed one and a half times higher than the sound, while the aircraft can launch it at a height of one hundred meters to 15 km.
X-35UE.The range of its launch is 260 km, while the capture of the target by an active-passive radar homing head is already over 50 kilometers. A specific feature of the use of this weapon is that, flying to a target at an altitude of about 15 meters above the water surface, the missile in the final section is reduced to minimal limits, which reduces the possibility of its interception by air defense systems. You can use the X-35UE with a sea state up to six points, and the mass of the warhead is 145 kilograms ...
This is not all that is being prepared for PAK FA.

[Denis Skiff]

Class color! But in an accident, this is not necessary.
An-124 flew yesterday. That's a carcass. Here is another T-50 to see, and you can say I saw everyone.

[kil 31]

Quote: Denis-Skiff

Class color! But in an accident, this is not necessary.
An-124 flew yesterday. That's a carcass. Here is another T-50 to see, and you can say I saw everyone.

Color ex. Interestingly, why engines are not painted from the bottom? So it is necessary or the paint does not lie down?

[Wedmak]

Interestingly, why engines are not painted from the bottom? So it is necessary or the paint does not lie down?

There the temperature is such that even if it lies down, after 10 minutes of flight it will not be there. This is actually the place of the combustion chamber.

[Igor39]

I wonder why the shrouds were not made on them?

[Wedmak]

I wonder why the shrouds were not made on them?

In my opinion, what we see is a casing.

Here is a photo of the Su-27 engine, without an airplane, so to speak. )))
And here are the godoles of the Su-35 engines. Cover available.

It's just black, so as not to paint the faded paint once again.

[queen]

VAF said that with sushi this is such a chip

[OlegLex]

How much time will pass before entering the troops. that's the question. And so yes it is very good news.

[Homegoblin]

it turns out that there are more than 5 of them flying?

As sources in the defense industry told Lente.ru, the construction of a flight copy of the T-50-7 aircraft has now been completed, and T-50-6-2 and T-50-8 aircraft will be built before the end of the year. Earlier, the publication Defend Russia reported that the construction of the T-50-6 aircraft was frozen due to the use of components for the repair of the fifth PAK FA, T-50-5, which had previously failed, and a T aircraft was built instead of the T-50-6 -50-6-2, which is due to take off in December.

http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/27/pakfa/ - источник

[Sorokin]

Well, the color is technical. And so handsome. We’ll see what else they’ll do with the engines.

[Manul]

Quote: Sorokin

Well, the color is technical.

Don’t tell. A lot has been discussed about the color. The general opinion seems to be that this will be the exclusive color of this bird. Below is a disguise under the sky and clouds, above - under the surface of the earth. Ask our specialists about this.
Personally, my breath catches when I look at this miracle .. Indescribable beauty.

[Riifych]

Quote: Manul

Don’t tell. A lot has been discussed about the color. The general opinion seems to be that this will be the exclusive color of this bird. Below is a disguise under the sky and clouds, above - under the surface of the earth. Ask our specialists about this.
Personally, my breath catches when I look at this miracle .. Indescribable beauty.

On Saturday morning I went to the parking lot behind the car, I hear the plane, I thought, as usual, the SU-24. I raise my head and my jaw falls off ... PAK FA. Color below the clouds. I still remember with delight.

[Mercenary]

They promised in 2015 - a series !?
The guys have to hurry, the times are too lousy. But some tolerant (that is, buggers) began to think that Russia could be overwhelmed. You can deal with them without the T-50, but it is handy with it.

[gjv]

Quote: Mercenary

The guys have to hurry

Unfortunately, I can’t hurry. KnAAZ lacks qualified personnel and working hands. Here you are - Mercenary. And specifically for the restoration of this T-50-5 additionally hired skilled workers (a riveter-assembler, a fitter, a fitter for the manufacture and repair of the pipeline, a fitter for the manufacture and refinement of aircraft parts, an MCP fitter, a turner, a milling machine operator, an operator of machine tools with PU) at other aircraft plants for shift work. How many total employees were hired on the side is not disclosed, but can be averaged over about a month based on the duration of the repair. The total complexity of the additionally hired personnel is 70000 standard hours in the amount of 39.2 million rubles (taxable). The provided personnel must have qualifications in the profession equal to or higher than 4 categories and work experience in it for at least 2 years. And besides, also take into account the mandatory requirement - admission according to forms No. 5 and No. 8 of the appendix to the Instruction “On the Procedure for Admission of Officials and Citizens of the Russian Federation to State Secret”.

[Lord_Sita]

Flying trash is back again! As soon as they didn’t crap on the F-35, but they are already flying in squadrons. And about our falcon, no specifics. Amen

[Turner38]

Perhaps they only stand in squadrons ...

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Terner38

Perhaps they only stand in squadrons ...

In your opinion, it is better when they exist only in the imagination.

[Lord_Sita]

Someone think that T-50 squadrons exist? This is a complete ahtung!

[Lord_Sita]

You can put a million minuses here, but this will no longer Russian aircraft. We replace the real with the desired, the senior "party comrades" did not try in vain. Flag in hand ...

[Wedmak]

F-35, but they are already flying squadrons

Well yes. And then with restrictions. And only a couple of months ago they tested the gun in action. Super. With such engines you can raise a shed into the sky, but how it will work is a question. So with your favorite F-35. There is a lot of money, two hundred boards riveted, but they never brought to mind.

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Wedmak

F-35, but they are already flying squadrons

Well yes. And then with restrictions. And only a couple of months ago they tested the gun in action. Super. With such engines you can raise a shed into the sky, but how it will work is a question. So with your favorite F-35. There is a lot of money, two hundred boards riveted, but they never brought to mind.

Yes, the car (like any new equipment) had flaws, but they quickly eliminated them. Now there is already clearance for use in hostilities.
Don’t worry about the money - there will be a team and the Americans will print a car with a small trolley more bucks.

[Wedmak]

Well, the shortcomings on the T-50 are also quickly eliminated. Only our series is small.

Now there is already clearance for use in hostilities.

Yeah ?? And why then drive the Old F-15 / 16? Where is the weapons in Iraq? In Syria? That would be very useful for precision bombing ISIS. Oh yes .... remembered. There is no interest in bombing terrorists who have grown so hard. But there are also Russians there, all of a sudden they will remove the parameters and radio signature from the latest Luftfaff Maide in America.

Don’t worry about money

This is what you need to worry about, it’s a huge public debt in the country. And you have to pay ...

[Lord_Sita]

So that's the F-35 fighter and they are standing in Incirlik. And the fact is that there are enough cars more sharpened for bombing, for example, Lancers, Thunderbolts and drones. Moreover, they do not bomb as often as the Russian Aerospace Forces.

[Wedmak]

And the fact is that there are enough cars more sharpened for bombing, for example, Lancers, Thunderbolts and drones.

Okay, B-1B, it’s like a strategist, in general comparison is not appropriate. But A-10 ... it's actually a ground attack aircraft. He is supposed to work on the earth. But the fact that it is better imprisoned than the F-35 ... And where are the enthusiastic responses about the incomparable electronic weapons of the F-35? What type of he can hit the hare in the heel? True, he has only two bombs on board, but they are smart.
You know, your arguments are kind of sluggish. "There are many planes, they are better than the T-50, but they do not fly, as there are more sharpened A-10 and B-1Bs." Tin is simple. What for, I ask, they have been procrastinating for 10 years on tests, if the old man A-10 is better.

[Lord_Sita]

Okay, B-1B, it’s like a strategist, in general comparison is not appropriate.

You need to tell our MO about Tu-160.

True, he has only two bombs on board, but they are smart.

Yes, he is not a bomber, what is not clear ?! How many T-50 bombs will it carry?

What for, they ask, they’ve been procrastinating in the tests for 10 years, if the old A-10 is better.

Different types of aircraft perform primarily specialized tasks. And they procrastinated, because the old fighter was exchanged for a new one.

[Wedmak]

You need to tell our MO about Tu-160.

Here I did not understand at all. You compared F-35 and B-1B in efficiency. And then Tu-160 and our MO?

Yes, he is not a bomber, what is not clear ?!

Who? Multifunctional or what? Neither fish nor fowl? So he is weak on the earth, and on the air, as it were, not so much.

How many T-50 bombs will it carry?

If we exclude the incorrect comparison of light and heavy MFIs, the T-50 will take at least 8 tons. It is estimated that there are two large bomb bay in stock. How many are there on the external sling yet, the devil knows. Again, this is a fighter; on earth, the Su-34 is working with us.

And they procrastinated, because the old fighter was exchanged for a new one.

Well, how are they changing, Choi suddenly thought about upgrading the F-15 / 16 and reducing the purchase of F-35.

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Wedmak

This is what you need to worry about, it’s a huge public debt in the country. And you have to pay ...

The Russians are shaking: for oil, for gas, for titanium, they are shoving them in small capsules, for bank accounts. Perhaps you had a hand in this.

[Wedmak]

Of course, of course, to me personally, the FSB credits the ruble for every letter in the account with Sberbank! Now I’ll finish the post just enough for the new Lada Vesta. You know, like me, they’re not allowed to buy overseas.

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Wedmak

Of course, of course, to me personally, the FSB credits the ruble for every letter in the account with Sberbank! Now I’ll finish the post just enough for the new Lada Vesta. You know, like me, they’re not allowed to buy overseas.

You need to read more carefully - "enter" the meaning of the text - and only then comment.

[Wedmak]

You need

And you write the text more clearly. Because it’s not very clear who, where and what will be stuffed in small pieces and why I had to put my hand to this. As I could, I understood. Accordingly, he answered.

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Wedmak

You need

And you write the text more clearly. Because it’s not very clear who, where and what will be stuffed in small pieces and why I had to put my hand to this. As I could, I understood. Accordingly, he answered.

In a nutshell, the American dollar is a product that is in demand in Russia. If there is demand, then you can increase supply (production) without negative consequences.

[user1212]

Quote: Lord_Sita

Now there is already clearance for use in hostilities.

Not completely. Reached primary operational readiness. And this is for 9 years of testing
For comparison, the T50 in tests is only 5 years
Pontus not counted

[Lord_Sita]

Pontus not counted

What did you see pontus? If the plane was my personal one, it would be a reason, but I don’t see the connection.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Lord_Sita

What did you see pontus? If the plane was my personal one, it would be a reason, but I don’t see the connection.

But I saw a show-off - the next troller wanted to potterboltat in the course - no matter what, the main thing is against. He reeks of liberasty, my friend, those are the same stubborn.

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: iliitch

Quote: Lord_Sita

What did you see pontus? If the plane was my personal one, it would be a reason, but I don’t see the connection.

But I saw a show-off - the next troller wanted to potterboltat in the course - no matter what, the main thing is against. He reeks of liberasty, my friend, those are the same stubborn.

About people like you used to say: Young pioneers, cast-iron heads. On the merits of the question, do you have anything to say or did familiar words end? Let's hit everyone with your stamp set.

[Mik-51]

Quote: Lord_Sita

Pontus not counted

What did you see pontus? If the plane was my personal one, it would be a reason, but I don’t see the connection.

And I see the connection: another lured mongrel black ... oy monkey, or the sister of a "Crimean woman - the officer's daughter" ...

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: mik-51

Quote: Lord_Sita

Pontus not counted

What did you see pontus? If the plane was my personal one, it would be a reason, but I don’t see the connection.

And I see the connection: another lured mongrel black ... oy monkey, or the sister of a "Crimean woman - the officer's daughter" ...

Another woke up! The topic of conversation is T-50.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Lord_Sita

Another woke up! The topic of conversation is T-50.

T-50? Which T-50? We don’t have them yet. Squeegee is about wonderful, wonderful, magnificent, amazing at its price p35 pelvis.
Which the T-50 will soon drive as mongrels, because of a different class of car.

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: iliitch

Quote: Lord_Sita

Another woke up! The topic of conversation is T-50.

T-50? Which T-50? We don’t have them yet. Squeegee is about wonderful, wonderful, magnificent, amazing at its price p35 pelvis.
Which the T-50 will soon drive as mongrels, because of a different class of car.

Together with star cruisers will plow the expanses of the Galaxy.

[Lord_Sita]

Amazing at its price p35 pelvis.

I agree that if the Russian leaky budget buys one such, then it will immediately collapse.
What is expensive for you is not necessarily expensive for your neighbor.

[NEXUS]

Quote: iliitch

, because of a different class of car.

The Mikoyan Design Bureau personally raised the documentation on the MIG-1.44 and is working on the creation of the 5th generation LFI (which our VKS really needs). Also, the information passed that KBSukhoi remembered the development of a deck boat based on the SU-37 "Berkut" with a reverse swept wing And they seem to be seriously thinking about creating a new deck boat with a reverse swept wing.

[xtur]

> Mikoyan's design bureau personally raised the documentation for the MIG-1.44 and is working on the creation of the 5th generation LFI. Also, it passed infa that KBSukhoi remembered the development of a deck boat based on the SU-37 "Berkut" with a forward swept wing.

it seems that every time the MiG starts working on the MiG-1.4 * Sukhoi begin to pull the Berkut SU-37 out of the sleeve.

I read several times in different places that there are no suitable materials for wings with reverse sweep today, that is, they are doomed to have a low resource and are essentially pure PR in the competition.

So the MiG-1.4 * still has serious prospects, since the dry ones get their joker a second time.
I hope the second time it does not work against the development of MiG

[NEXUS]

Quote: xtur

I read several times in different places that there are no suitable materials for wings with reverse sweep today, that is, they are doomed to have a low resource and are essentially pure PR in the competition.

Not really. Composites are now at a good level of production, so today the reverse sweep doesn't scare anyone.
Best regards

[user1212]

Quote: Lord_Sita

What did you see pontus?

You decided to pontoon with F35 readiness, didn’t you? I quote

Quote: Lord_Sita

Flying trash is back again! As soon as they didn’t crap on the F-35, but they are already flying in squadrons. And about our falcon, no specifics. Amen

So: F35 is not ready. For 9 years of testing, this trough with a motor is not ready for battle and is not officially adopted by the Air Force. Protocols are signed, enthusiastic reviews are written, "patches" are riveted, reports on the next elimination, etc. BUT is not put into service and it does not have serial status. Still "tested" and still "LRIP" (small batch production). The first production batch by 2018-19, unless something comes up again. Add to that LM's inability to meet budget. Preliminary result: 12 years from the first flight to full-scale large-scale production.

Now remember that the 90s and 00s passed for the United States quite safely, what can you say about us. So what makes you so indignant in the 5 years of testing the T50?

[Lord_Sita]

You decided to pontoon with F35 readiness, didn’t you? I quote

How can I show off someone else's thing ???? You probably do not correctly understand the meaning of the word "show-off"?

[user1212]

Essentially nothing to say? Regrettably.

[Lord_Sita]

So: F35 is not ready. For 9 years of testing, this trough with a motor is not ready for battle and is not officially adopted by the Air Force. Protocols are signed, enthusiastic reviews are written, "patches" are riveted, reports on the next elimination, etc. BUT is not put into service and it does not have serial status. Still "tested" and still "LRIP" (small batch production).

About 200 pcs. (Dreamily) We would have such a "small-scale production" ....

[NEXUS]

Quote: Lord_Sita

About 200 pcs. (Dreamily) We would have such a "small-scale production" ....

In all three versions, 142 pieces of F-35. The most issued “land” F-35A - 74 units, F-35B with a short take-off - 46 units, deck F-35C - 22 units.
But not at all 200

[Lord_Sita]

AROUND 200.
Why doesn’t it reach virtual ones the first time ?!
Looks like you're on a tank.

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Lord_Sita

About 200 pcs. (Dreamily) We would have such a "small-scale production" ....

In all three versions, 142 pieces of F-35. The most issued “land” F-35A - 74 units, F-35B with a short take-off - 46 units, deck F-35C - 22 units.
But not at all 200

Data for 2014?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Lord_Sita

Data for 2014?

For July 2015.

[gjv]

Quote: Lord_Sita

About 200 pcs

160

[Lord_Sita]

For comparison, the T50 in tests is only 5 years

Do not worry, they will try for another five years for scrapping, because it is out of date.

[Lord_Sita]

I am plagued by vague doubts: why our "most-most" plane no one dares to launch into production. It is possible that there is a list of flaws under the heading "secret" twice as long as at one time in the same F-35.

[Wedmak]

It is possible that there is a list of flaws under the heading "secret" twice as long as at one time in the same F-35.

And why is the propelled F-35 not used in the Middle East? Iraq, Afghanistan? Where are they???
But ours is still being tested, it’s understandable, but the super-cool F-35 seems to be like a serial one, ne?

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Wedmak

It is possible that there is a list of flaws under the heading "secret" twice as long as at one time in the same F-35.

And why is the propelled F-35 not used in the Middle East? Iraq, Afghanistan? Where are they???
But ours is still being tested, it’s understandable, but the super-cool F-35 seems to be like a serial one, ne?

Maybe they cherish for us?

[purple]

Yes, most likely it just doesn’t fly ... the corny old F-16 turned out to be better ....

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: purple

Yes, most likely it just doesn’t fly ... the corny old F-16 turned out to be better ....

Especially for you

Look for the rest yourself

[Back in USSR]

Clearly everything is organized there at the airport.

[iliitchitch]

The ability to stay in the air is excellent. I have such an aerobatics old iron from the balcony demonstrated. Tochnik flew to the trash, he could still.

[Lord_Sita]

The ability to stay in the air is excellent. I have such an aerobatics old iron from the balcony demonstrated. Tochnik flew to the trash, he could still.

"The aircraft was sent to the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant in 2014 after an accident that happened during a demonstration flight."
But the T-50 didn’t even reach the trash - it fell.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Lord_Sita

"The aircraft was sent to the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant in 2014 after an accident that happened during a demonstration flight."
But the T-50 didn’t even reach the trash - it fell.

In June 2014, the fifth-generation F-35 Lighting II fighter engine caught fire while preparing the aircraft for takeoff. Flights of this type of aircraft were temporarily suspended; the incident prevented the premiere of the aircraft at the Farnborough air show.

It turns out that the mattresses are not all smooth with the engines.
With regards to trash, so the F-35 program worth 1,5 trillion is really a bottomless pit.
Or are you one of those narrow-minded people who sincerely believe that Americans will print as much as they want? So ask any economist about "print as much as you want", you will learn a lot of interesting things. By the way, if mattresses do not bother with money, why did they cover the production of Raptors is a fighter that is head and shoulders above the Lighting.

[Lord_Sita]

By the way, if the mattresses don’t bother with the money account, why did they cover the production of the Raptors then?

I kind of explained ?! For virtual marshals, I repeat, this is called EVOLUTION.

Or are you one of those narrow-minded people who sincerely believe that Americans will print as much as they want? So ask any economist about "print as much as you want", you will learn a lot of interesting things.

Are these some economists? Can I have an example?

The fighter is head and shoulders better than Lightning.

What is your personal opinion? Or have you both flown around and compared?
There is office plankton, but here it looks like a lot of patriotic Internet plankton

[NEXUS]

Quote: Lord_Sita

For virtual marshals, I repeat, this is called EVOLUTION.

You are clearly quite pleased with this mental miscarriage. What evolution if a HEAVY MFI is by definition better than what you call evolution (in the form of Lightning) The question is for smart people like you, is Lightning a 5th generation fighter, taking into account all the requirements for a fighter of this generation?
And in the appendage, tell me what specialization the F-35 had at the very beginning of the development of this project?

Quote: Lord_Sita

What is your personal opinion? Or have you both flown around and compared?

Further I suppose there’s nothing to talk about with you. It’s bad when a head full of sawdust connects with an incendiary temperament.

[Lord_Sita]

No, I certainly believe you have read many articles on the Internet. But they became only a virtual specialist, as well as a marshal.
Here are such clever people as you hang all sorts of 4 +, 4 ++, 5 +++. By the principle: you have a 4 + airplane, and I have 5, so I won. Children, by golly.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Lord_Sita

But the T-50 didn’t even reach the trash - it fell.

I’m thinking that if 1,5 trillion Baku had been invested in the PAK FA program, what would be the outcome? Most likely a UFO in which there would be everything. And how many years after that, the mattresses would be puffed up to make something like that create?

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Lord_Sita

But the T-50 didn’t even reach the trash - it fell.

I’m thinking that if 1,5 trillion Baku had been invested in the PAK FA program, what would be the outcome? Most likely a UFO in which there would be everything. And how many years after that, the mattresses would be puffed up to make something like that create?

It’s like you’re not from Russia
Would rise by a couple of points in the Forbes list by the number of dollar millionaires (billionaires).

[NEXUS]

Quote: Lord_Sita

It’s like you’re not from Russia
Would rise by a couple of points in the Forbes list by the number of dollar millionaires (billionaires).

Hmm, I see we are losing the patient. What do you smoke there that makes you sick so?

[Lord_Sita]

No, this site is losing reasonable readers. People who can say something essentially are getting smaller and smaller. Now stamped taxis are here.

[user1212]

Quote: Wedmak

sort of like serial, ne?

Not yet

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: user1212

Quote: Wedmak

sort of like serial, ne?

Not yet

And how many planes are needed for the series? 500? 1000?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Lord_Sita

I am tormented by vague doubts: why our "most-most" aircraft no one dares to launch into production

It depends on what you mean by production. If production aircraft, then the first will be in 2017.

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Odyssey

Quote: Lord_Sita

I am tormented by vague doubts: why our "most-most" aircraft no one dares to launch into production

It depends on what you mean by production. If production aircraft, then the first will be in 2017.

Will be? Recently, we have had the practice of postponing this "will" for a year or two.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Lord_Sita

Will be? Recently, we have had the practice of postponing this "will" for a year or two.

It will. Another thing is that what the Americans call "initial operational readiness" will be achieved in 2019-2020.
But in general, it is incorrect to compare the terms of the Americans and ours. The United States is at the very top of the capitalist “food chain.” Their capabilities are simply incomparable with ours.
I would say that given everything that has happened over the past 25 years, it is surprising that we can do something at all.

[Lord_Sita]

Taki here one lieutenant general disagrees with you, says they have already reached readiness. Explain yourself! Which one of you is lying?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Lord_Sita

Taki here one lieutenant general disagrees with you, says they have already reached readiness. Explain yourself! Which one of you is lying?

I believe no one. He’s just in a little hurry. It’s very difficult to create, produce, operate a 5th generation fighter. It’s difficult both technologically and financially.
Regarding the timing. There is a clear cycle of R&D and testing. There is no need to hurry. GSE is the crown, then the completion of the aircraft as part of its life cycle. While the T-50 is far from full readiness (by the way, the Su-35 has not yet passed the GSE). no less the project is moving and saying that the T-50 "flying trash" is wrong.
Well, or for some reason you specifically provoke people.

[Lord_Sita]

Wedmak, why don’t you have a minus? Are you playing by the rules?

[Wedmak]

Are you playing by the rules?

Of course. I’m an evil Russian, I only have the Internet through the FSB. And there they do not give their offense.

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Wedmak

Are you playing by the rules?

Of course. I’m an evil Russian, I only have the Internet through the FSB. And there they do not give their offense.

Russian? What about the pope of Armenians?

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Wedmak

Well yes. And then with restrictions. And only a couple of months ago they tested the gun in action. Super. With such engines you can raise a shed into the sky, but how it will work is a question. So with your favorite F-35. There is a lot of money, two hundred boards riveted, but they never brought to mind.

Do you get info from Wikipedia? There is far from news feed, relevance is not up to par.

[Wedmak]

Do you get info from Wikipedia?

Not only. Already from the fact that having riveted one and a half hundred boards, they finally took care of testing the built-in gun, we can draw conclusions. And if in some of the modes, a shot from a gun would give a hardware malfunction? What then? Looking for a solution and redoing one and a half hundred aircraft? Rave.
Although I know what you say, they say they can afford the money. This is the only thing to argue with.

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Wedmak

Do you get info from Wikipedia?

Not only. Already from the fact that having riveted one and a half hundred boards, they finally took care of testing the built-in gun, we can draw conclusions. And if in some of the modes, a shot from a gun would give a hardware malfunction? What then? Looking for a solution and redoing one and a half hundred aircraft? Rave.
Although I know what you say, they say they can afford the money. This is the only thing to argue with.

Give a link to problems with the gun. Not two years ago.

[Wedmak]

I quote myself. Since you (YOU, not YOU, we did not drink beer at the same table) are used to tearing words out of context.

. And if in some of the modes

That is, I assumed. If...

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Wedmak

I quote myself. Since you (YOU, not YOU, we did not drink beer at the same table) are used to tearing words out of context.

. And if in some of the modes

That is, I assumed. If...

Well, we got to the truth! All YOUR argumentation is largely based on assumptions that YOU for some reason present as facts.
And I did not know that the site has such a high culture of communication -I have already managed to call me in every way. Double standards in moderation, however ...

[Wedmak]

All YOUR argumentation is largely based on assumptions that YOU for some reason present as facts.

We arrived .... again a word torn from the text and far-reaching conclusions. Really, it's boring to even argue with you.

And I did not know that the site has such a high culture of communication

In general, there is such a word politeness.

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Wedmak

All YOUR argumentation is largely based on assumptions that YOU for some reason present as facts.

We arrived .... again a word torn from the text and far-reaching conclusions. Really, it's boring to even argue with you.

And I did not know that the site has such a high culture of communication

In general, there is such a word politeness.

Miss on, demagogue

[voyaka uh]

"And if in one of the modes, a shot from a cannon would fail" ///

The gun itself, its location near the fuselage on the left and its influence have long been worked out on Harrier.

[Wedmak]

The gun itself, its location near the fuselage on the left and its influence have long been worked out on Harrier.

The gun itself may not have complaints, but the effect of vibration from shots on devices and mechanisms located nearby in the case can hardly be calculated. And Harrier and F-35 are two completely different planes. With different gliders and equipment. What works on one can work crookedly on the other.

[Lord_Sita]

Russian virtual marshals claim a gun on an American plane.

[Tatar 174]

Quote: Lord_Sita

Flying trash is back again!

Not so you put it ...
Here we go to Ladas where it is necessary although they are also called with all sorts of offensive words ... You yourself are all different.

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Tartar 174

Quote: Lord_Sita

Flying trash is back again!

Not so you put it ...
Here we go to Ladas where it is necessary although they are also called with all sorts of offensive words ... You yourself are all different.

So you also think that the T-50 is not a Mercedes. Thank you for your frankness!

[Hell's Angel]

PAK FA car of another class, where does the FU 35? PAK FA "classmate" FU 22. Those really fly, like ...

[spolo]

The raptor doesn’t seem to shine. They’re afraid that they will land it like 117 with some kind of junk? And so f15 is the most respectable board of NATO .. ​​IMHO

[PatriotKZ]

the best plane in the next 10-15 years.

[Corsair0304]

You might think that when testing the F-35 everything was tip-top.
We reach the series and the squadrons will also fly. Everything has its time.

[fa2998]

Quote: MolGro

after 8 is the first serial!

I think that a production aircraft should be with a production engine. Which was promised in 2018, or then to change engines en masse? Explain ...

[mvg]

I think that a production aircraft should be with a production engine. Which was promised in 2018, or then to change engines en masse? Explain ...

Engines, during operation, change both en masse and not en masse. As you develop a resource. For example, the Chinese, according to statistics, buy 3 more engines from us on one plane (not the fact that they are used for their intended purpose, but they are bought).
And about serial aircraft - this is how the practice is accepted all over the world. And repair and modernization, and the following series (tranches in their language). Do you know how many engines the F-16 "tried" in its career? So it's nothing criminal that while they are flying at 117C, then we will stick a turbodiesel
It's not from front-wheel drive, to rear-wheel drive, is it? So, something like replacing manual transmission with flashing "brains"

[Odysseus]

Quote: fa2998

I think that a production aircraft should be with a production engine. Which was promised in 2018, or then to change engines en masse?

The first squadron will be from 117 C further, if everything goes according to plan, new engines. This is normal practice, for example, the Mig-23 also underwent engine replacement.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Lord_Sita

Flying trash is back again! As soon as they didn’t crap on the F-35, but they are already flying in squadrons. And about our falcon, no specifics. Amen

Well, trash in the SGA squadrons is worth and no one is going to take it, even the most loyal associates! Only the F-22 remains, but it will already be a weak competitor to our T-50 - as they say, hurry up, make the whole world laugh. And the T-50 since 2016. will go to the troops, while with the "old" engine. But this is enough for the flight hours. Even with this engine it will be too tough for the F-22. So gloat on your health, and we don't give a damn about it!

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Vlad5307

So gloat over your health, and we spit on it!

Why did you decide that I was gloating ?! Expressed your point of view, or do you think that you must bend under the generally accepted? My spine is probably not so flexible.

[Killj]

Quote: Vlad5307

And the T-50 is already from 2016. will go to the troops

he will go a lot, only not in the troops and not in 2016.

Quote: Vlad5307

Well, the trash in the SGA is worth squadrons and no one is going to take it, even the most faithful colleagues!

Why “take” him if the contracts are concluded and everything is sold for several years ahead?

Quote: Vlad5307

He and with this engine will be too tough F-22. So gloat over your health, and we spit on it! soldier

in order to measure someone’s teeth by mouth and coma, for starters, he must be serial and present in the troops, but for now this is a flying prototype laboratory, anything but the one you are looking for.

[Taygerus]

Good luck in testing our pilots and designers, God grant

[Abrekkos]

Wash however it was necessary only to rejoice at this event.

Even if we accept the thesis of the pessimists that the T-50 will never become the "basis of combat power" of the Russian Aerospace Forces, this is in any case a great technical and technological leap.

Not all new aircraft in the USSR and the USA became a real fighting force and even got into service. But such breakthrough products at least created the conditions for a big breakthrough in the future.

T-50 in this sense has already taken place. 10-15 years ago, no one could imagine what would have to face. We thought to finish the tests in 2012 and put into service in 2013. All the delays were not in financing, but in scientific, technical and technological difficulties, which were overcome by ~ 80% by glider and integration.

This is a victory. We can make similar planes.

So even if the T-50 does not reach maturity (and maturity for a fighter according to the experience of the USSR and the USA does not begin before 2-3 years of operation of 100 aircraft in the army) and, accordingly, combat readiness, it will still be a victory.

[Alexey X]

Everything is great, but why did they repair it for so long? Spare parts from China probably ...

[Lord_Sita]

Quote: Alexey X

Everything is great, but why did they repair it for so long? Spare parts from China probably ...

Workers from Russia. GDP recently said that the country has low labor productivity.

[voyaka uh]

There cables burned out from the engine fire. And they need to be pulled anew
from the beginning to the end. Those. disassemble everything: fuselage, wings.
How to make a new plane.

[gjv]

Quote: voyaka uh

How to make a new plane.

Disassemble, dismantle defective parts (devices, cables, etc.), assemble new ones, assemble. Labor costs, like two aircraft.

[gjv]

Quote: Alexey X

Everything is great, but why did they repair it for so long?

Unfortunately, not everything is great. There are a lot of "effective" managers, but there are not enough skilled workers. To repair this board, KnAAZ additionally hired workers from other factories, on a rotational basis.

[TSOOBER]

I’ll insert my five cents:
- it took a very long time to decide what to do with the "fire victim", while they thought and decided as time passed, then they decided to restore, and time goes by!

[iliitchitch]

And where is Lord_Sitа? "Where has Kondraty gone?" ... I couldn't even endure the "skull" ...
But nothing, "soon the morning will come and Kondraty will return to us!" ... Something like that at the "Crematorium". I went to my friends for the night, I suppose.

[Lord_Sita]

I'm wasting time with you. Adios iron-headed patriots!
Put pluses on each other, raise self-esteem.

[user1212]

Quote: Lord_Sita

I'm wasting time with you. Adios iron-headed patriots!
Put pluses on each other, raise self-esteem.

Is the little girl offended?

[Lord_Sita]

Pine xxxx moderator-cheburator

[stetz]

When will all the silver carp make hara-kiri themselves? Guys do not pay attention to such downs, you can immediately see that he is flawed. Let his bone work out into the void. :-)

[Lord_Sita]

Trying in vain - hardly anyone will get to your comment
If your mother told you that you are the greatest smart girl, then she really deceived you.

[Stoler]

"Lord_Sita" is of course kazlyatina, but he is right about the main thing - the F-35 and F-22 are already in service, they are already being produced and tested in parts, and so far we are just trying to talk about what a wonderful and promising T-50 is. For me, the operating F-35 is better than the "best in the future, then built and later mastered" T-50. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPARE AN OPERATING AIRCRAFT WITH THAT ONLY PASSING TESTS - THIS IS SELF-SOMETHING AND URA-PATRIOTISM ,, BECAUSE AN OPERATING AIRCRAFT IS ALREADY IMMEDIATING ON THE TOWER !!!!