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Kurds, whose will you be?

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Kurds, whose will you be?



Recently, the press can often find references to the Kurds and their PKK - the Workers' Party of the Kurds. In a good context. Possible if not allies, then those with whom you can be friends against Turkey.

And who are the Kurds?

In general, we know them for a long time. Those who studied in the USSR "passed" them like Medes. And the first mention of the Medes or Medes refers to the year 2500 BC. In general, the indigenous inhabitants of Central Asia and the Middle East are historically.

That is, the Kurds actually have more rights to those territories that the Turks consider "theirs". And for many years waging war. A kind of war, and not really covered anywhere. In general, the Kurds are the world's largest (40 million) people, deprived of their statehood.

The Kurds were to receive statehood under the Sevres Peace Treaty of 1920, which decided the fate of the Ottoman Empire, which lost in the First World War. But the world powers in the face of Britain, France and the United States simply deceived the Kurds. Independence did not happen.

Twice in the 20th century, the Kurds acquired statehood — and both times it was connected ... with the USSR. First, the Red Kurdistan (Kurdish national district with the center in Lachin) was created in the 20-s in the South Caucasus, but in the 30-s the Red Kurdistan was liquidated, and a significant part of its population was later deported to Central Asia and Kazakhstan. In 1946, the Kurdish Makhabad Republic was created in Iranian Kurdistan, in the control zone of the Soviet troops, but in 1947, after the withdrawal of the Soviet troops from Iran, the Shah regime drowned the Mekhabad Republic in blood. In Iraq, the Kurds as a result of stubborn struggle from the end of 50's. then sought autonomy, then again lost it.

And for many years now the Kurds have been waging war for the formation of their state. Mostly with Turkey.

Kurdish Workers Party (PKK) - the party, the voice of the Kurds. But there are still many other, smaller parties, united under the banner of AONK - the Army of the Liberation of the People of Kurdistan. A diplomatic instrument is the Front for National Liberation of Kurdistan (FNOK), created specifically for the purpose of carrying out political and diplomatic work outside of Kurdistan.

The Turkish government and the Turkish media, and with their submission and the media of the NATO countries, never speak about AONK at all, trying to put things in such a way that not regular guerrilla units fight in Turkish Kurdistan, but the PKK terrorist gang. However, AONK is precisely a regular military formation, with its own command, headquarters, ranks, form, charter and documents. Consequently, under international law, these are combatants (that is, internationally recognized armed force).

International legislation clearly differentiates between "combatant" and "terrorist". In a number of European capitals, official representations have been opened of the Front for National Liberation of Kurdistan - in essence, the political wing of the AONK.

In other words, many European states have recognized the TNFK (and, consequently, AONK) as a belligerent. Under international law, this gives the national liberation movement official status and is the first step towards diplomatic recognition.

So talking about the Kurds, as about some partisan troops in the mountains is not serious.

Turkish propaganda carefully ignores the fact that the PKK, FNOK and AONK are not at all trying to "reject part of Turkish territory." In 1993, the PKK adopted an official doctrine that aims to turn Turkey into a federal state with equal rights for all nations. That is, the PKK is not at all separatists, they are fighting for the creation of a new, democratic, federal Turkey.

In Turkey, I note, lives about 30 millions of Turks. And about 20 million Kurds. Talking about a certain "Kurdish national minority" is also inconvenient. And if we consider that about 20 of millions of ethnic Greeks live in Turkey, it is generally difficult to say who the minority is.



The PKK considers the ruling regime in Turkey to be fascist, pointing out that the genocide on the national (racial) principle is just one of the signs of fascism, and that the ruling coalition in Turkey includes the Nationalist Movement Party - an ultra-right organization whose combat units are called "gray wolves."

The symbol of "gray wolves" - folded fingers in the face. This sign was shown by the killer of our pilot.

It should be noted that the Turkish authorities refuse to recognize the fact of the existence of indigenous minorities in Turkey (the existence of non-indigenous, that is, immigrants - Albanians, Muslim Bulgarians, Lezghins, Abkhazians, Chechens - is recognized). Kurds, according to the official version of the Turkish authorities, are not Kurds at all, but “mountain Turks”, “wild and forgotten their language”, although the Kurds have been living on these lands for more than 5 thousands of years, and the Turks came to Front Asia only in the XI century. In the same way, Assyrians, according to the official Turkish version, are not Assyrians, but “converted Christians”. Quite a comfortable position, and here's why.

Turkey refuses to recognize the fact of the genocide of Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks and Kurds in the Ottoman Empire during the First World War (in total, over 3 million people became victims of terror then). And since 20 in the Republic of Turkey, the victims of the genocide have been at least 4 million Kurds (which Turkey, of course, also denies - because "there are no Kurds in Turkey").

It is clear why the Kurds do not have affection for the Turks. But since the distant 1999, there has been a truce between the Kurds and the Turks. It was observed because the leader of the PKK, Abdullah Ocalan, was captured by the Turkish special services (with the support of colleagues from the United States) and sentenced to death. Which was replaced by life imprisonment.

The truce was respected from 1999 to 2004 and from 2004 to 2015.

The reason for the termination of the ceasefire was the actions of the Turkish armed forces, which inflicted several aviation strikes allegedly on the positions of Islamic State militants on the Syrian-Turkish border.

However, instead of attacking positions of ISIL, Turkish aviation attacked the positions of the Kurds, who are fighting against the "Islamic State". Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said that the Turkish army attacked the positions of the armed forces of the "Islamic state" in Syria, as well as the positions of the Kurdistan Workers' Party in northern Iraq - in the areas of Zap, Metina, Gara, Avashin, Sinat, Haftan, Hakurk, Kandil. Attacks of the Turkish armed forces were carried out from the air and by artillery shelling. At the same time, warehouses with weapons and the camp of Kurdish refugees fleeing Iraqi Kurdistan from IS militants.

Thus, the Turkish leadership has shown that for him the Kurdish national liberation movement is an equivalent adversary, and the Kurds represent almost a greater danger to the Turkish statehood.

Officially, the Turkish leadership stated that attacks on Kurdish positions were aimed at protecting the national security of the Turkish state. Therefore, the leadership of the Kurdistan Workers' Party and reported that the ceasefire agreement has lost all meaning in the current political situation. This statement of the PKK was a signal for action for the numerous Kurdish opposition, including in Turkey.

Today, the PKK is fighting on two fronts: on the one hand ISIS, on the other - the Turkish army. What does not prevent the Kurds armed only with light weapons successfully resist the Turks and IG fanatics. Moreover, the Kurds are even winning victories on their fronts.

It is noteworthy that the PKK stands out from the standpoint of socialism, not sharing the struggle for the national liberation of the Kurdish people with the struggle for the social liberation of all the peoples of Turkish Kurdistan.

Ocalan has repeatedly stressed that the problems of the national liberation of Armenians, Assyrians, Arabs, Greeks are of no less interest to him than the problems of his own Kurdish people. This brought quite expected results.



Armenians, Arabs, Assyrians, Greeks, as well as numerous foreign volunteers, as a rule, representatives of radical left-wing organizations in Europe, Latin America and Asia, are fighting in the ranks of the Kurdistan Liberation Army.





A large role in AONK is played by women, who make up a significant part of Kurdish armed formations. Ocalan has always stressed the importance of equal rights for women and called for the abandonment of the tradition of reducing the role of women characteristic of Kurdish and Turkish society. According to some information, in the armed forces of the Syrian Kurdish Peshmerga militia, women make up 40% of servicemen. And there are separate women's battalions AONK.



The Kurdish question was the stumbling block that prevented the Turkish arb from rolling into the European Union. In fact, abandoning the EU and solving Kurdish issues, Erdogan chose the way of blackmailing Europe with the help of refugees. But the Kurds remained.

Stubborn people, if so look. Hundreds of years of wars, and wars for a real dream. And the dream seems to come true. There are already in Iraq, Northern Kurdistan. Quite autonomy within Iraq. By the way, it was the Kurds, more precisely, the use of chemical weapons by Saddam Hussein against them and became the straw that broke Hussein’s back.

I note, however, that in 1999, the Turks under President Demirel also worked on the Kurds with chemical weapons. But Demirel - not Saddam, got away with it.

Some result. The Kurds are not a handful of partisans in the mountains, as the Turkish media want to present. This is 40 of millions of people, clearly representing what they want. These are not religious fanatics of ISIS, absolutely the opposite. This is Sunni, and Shia, and Alawites. There are Yezidis and Christians. That is, there is complete tolerance within the people, which is good news, and is rather an exception to the rule in the East.

The East is a very complicated matter, but since Russia got involved in the solution of Middle Eastern problems, it makes sense to recall that we were co-creators of Kurdistan twice. And in Russia there is a saying that God loves a trinity.
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  1. avva2012
    avva2012 7 December 2015 06: 51
    22
    The Kurds, according to the official version of the Turkish authorities, are not Kurds at all, but "mountain Turks" who "became wild and forgot their language", although the Kurds have been living on these lands for over 5 thousand years, and the Turks came to Southwest Asia only in the XNUMXth century. In the same way, the Assyrians, according to the official Turkish version, are not Assyrians, but "Turks converted to Christianity."
    Already from this statement of theirs, one can understand that in Turkey, the fascist regime. I remember that in one European country (and now, with some nuances, in another), too much attention was paid to who and where came from. Statements have been made that a certain nation is not Europeans at all, but Tatars (well, very wild of course) and they need to be civilized. It is interesting, of course, if such statements are in relation to the Kurds? Logically, they should.
    1. knn54
      knn54 7 December 2015 07: 51
      +5
      -avva2012: these are not Kurds at all, but "mountain Turks", "run wild and forgot their language" ...
      And with such "neighbors" you not only "run wild" ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 7 December 2015 08: 29
        +5
        Damn, again blurted out without thinking. Bad, I read Tolkien. There, after all, the orcs are wild elves. What a twist!
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 December 2015 16: 24
      -7
      Quote: avva2012
      Kurds, according to the official version of the Turkish authorities, are not Kurds at all, but "mountain Turks", "who have gone wild and forgot their language",

      The author probably smoked. This position of the authorities was 20 years ago.
      Kurds have long been officially recognized.
      And the statistics on 30 million Kurds and 20 million Greeks, so generally killed)))
      In Turkey, 80 million people, i.e. 30 + 20 + 20 = 80.
      Only now there are several million Cherkessovs. 2 million Azerbaijanis. Several million Alevites. Where 200-300 thousand Russians, where several million Lazs, where Arabs)))
      And how such articles here every time pass wonder.
      1. Ossetian
        Ossetian 7 December 2015 18: 05
        +5
        30 + 20 + 20 = Seventy !!!
        1. Standard
          Standard 7 December 2015 18: 55
          +1
          In vain authorized - ahead of. )))))
        2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
          Uncle VasyaSayapin 7 December 2015 19: 02
          +4
          Field Marshal said 80, then 80. laughing
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 7 December 2015 19: 12
            +1
            Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
            Field Marshal said 80, then 80

            Asechka)) It seemed that in the article of Kurds 30 Lyamas indicated))) in my head I counted 30 + 30, and wrote +20)) It happens, not the biggest jamb.

            But this does not change the fact of false data. The Greeks themselves are probably shocked by the fact that there are 11 million of them in Greece. according to the wiki, and in Turkey, 20 is almost 2 times more.
      2. Aljavad
        Aljavad 8 December 2015 02: 36
        +1
        And the statistics on 30 million Kurds and 20 million Greeks, so generally killed)))
        In Turkey, 80 million people, i.e. 30 + 20 + 20 = 80.
        Only now there are several million Cherkessovs. 2 million Azerbaijanis. Several million Alevites. Where 200-300 thousand Russians, where several million Lazs, where Arabs)))
        And how such articles here every time pass wonder.


        There is a lie, there is a big lie and there are statistics. Not I said, and a very long time.
        I think 30 million - not only in Turkey.
        But this does not negate the fact that the people are much larger than the Swedes or "Kuwaitis" (not to mention the "Qataris") have no state.
        But fighting for this right in all available ways.

        By the way, about 20 years ago, the Turks told me that the Azerbaijanis were very wild in isolation from the homeland of the Turks. Moreover, the Azerbaijani language is illiterate and rude Turkish.
        We’ll build them madrassas there - the Turks, schools, mosques told me, take their smart little boys to our Universities - they will become normal Turks!
      3. avva2012
        avva2012 8 December 2015 06: 53
        +2
        The author probably smoked. This position of the authorities was 20 years ago. I am not the author! I smoke, only cigarettes!
  2. ICT
    ICT 7 December 2015 07: 17
    +2
    Peshmerga
    this is Iraq, and lured by the west from all directions

    Syrian militia --- this is Yekîneyên Parastina Gel YPG
  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 7 December 2015 07: 21
    11
    I repeat, the Kurds are a specific people, my impression of communicating with their representatives was unpleasant, but now they are not allies, but quite fellow travelers for the purposes that Russia pursues in this region. And Kurdistan in one form or another to be.
    1. Bro_kable
      Bro_kable 8 December 2015 15: 07
      0
      in childhood, I often came across Kurds - hooligans, untidy, always snotty, barely went to school, it’s good if you studied and wrote to the 8th grade.
      I don’t remember the exceptions :)
      I remember several episodes when they attacked us "white" children in groups, with the sole purpose of robbery - always with a numerical and age advantage :)
      If more or less friendly relations were struck up with someone, then it’s only in childhood. And when they got older - they generally kept apart. As well as the Turks, although the Turks were even more sociable, although, perhaps, a little more impudent.
      On the whole, there are no special complaints against them; approximately all the national minorities behaved in this way.
      Is it unpleasant? yeah, the word matches.
      Here in St. Petersburg, later on at work, I met very good guys - Kurds.
      I also saw an "exception" that had never been met in childhood - an educated intelligent Kurd, with whom I even became friends for several years, then parted ways.
      In general, I always sympathized with them, despite the childhood memories. There is something for them to go wild with ...
  4. Lindon
    Lindon 7 December 2015 07: 22
    +7
    For some reason, the author did not mention the PKK except the Barzani clan, which rule in Iraqi Kurdistan and are friends with Turkey.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 7 December 2015 13: 14
      +1
      the author is inconvenient to mention the barzani and the dpk.
      that the Iraqi Kurds do not even mind when the igil "cleansed" the Yezidis, etc. - the whole theory about the Medes-Kurds, who as one against the rotten Turks, is crumbling.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 7 December 2015 07: 31
    +5
    And in Russia there is a saying that God loves the trinity... For the third time, the deal needs to be completed ..
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 7 December 2015 07: 53
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      And in Russia there is a proverb that God loves the trinity ... For the third time, the work must be brought to the end ..

      No, for this reason, "... Twice in the 20th century, the Kurds acquired statehood - and both times it was associated ... with the USSR. First, in the 30s, Red Kurdistan was created in Transcaucasia (Kurdish national district with the center in Lachin), but in the 1946s Red Kurdistan was liquidated, and a significant part of its population was later deported to Central Asia and Kazakhstan.In 1947, in Iranian Kurdistan, in the zone of control of Soviet troops, the Kurdish Mehabad Republic was created, but in In XNUMX, after the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Iran, the Shah's regime drowned the Mehabad Republic in blood. "
    2. Standard
      Standard 7 December 2015 18: 57
      +1
      I would like to know the motivation for eviction to Kazakhstan
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 8 December 2015 02: 44
        0
        Norma RU Yesterday, 18:57 ↑
        I would like to know the motivation for eviction to Kazakhstan


        Relatives of everyone abroad, therefore - potential spies, saboteurs and rebel separatists.
  6. ImPerts
    ImPerts 7 December 2015 07: 35
    +8
    Kurds can have their say. But in whose favor it will all be unknown. Now the Americans are actively "working" with the Kurdish elite, and God only knows how the Kurdish-Russian dialogue will be built after that.
    How will we interrupt American cookies ?!
    Yes, and with Ocalan at the time, it turned out badly ...
  7. Humpty
    Humpty 7 December 2015 07: 58
    +6
    "In Turkey, I note, there are about 30 million Turks. And about 20 million Kurds. Talking about a" Kurdish national minority "is also inconvenient. And if you consider that there are still about 20 million ethnic Greeks in Turkey, it is generally difficult to say, who are in the minority. "

    Roman, where did you get such data on the national composition of Turkey? Any open sources of information on this subject differ sharply from the figures given in the article.
    At the expense of the Kurds, they are usually very difficult to understand.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 December 2015 16: 26
      +2
      Quote: Humpty
      Roman, where did you get such data on the national composition of Turkey?

      From a book of fiction.
      And according to Roman’s data, Turkey has no 2 million Azerbaijanis, several million Alevites, Arabs, several million Cherkesses, Laz and many other nations.
      And Turks are generally a minority in the country)))
      1. -Traveller-
        -Traveller- 7 December 2015 22: 13
        +3
        especially funny about the 20 million Greeks, apparently, those who escaped the Greco-Turkish population exchange in the 1920s by hiding in the basements, multiplied there and have now climbed out.
  8. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 7 December 2015 08: 13
    +3
    If the Kurds get Kurdistan, then this will be a dangerous, unpredictable country for all neighbors. And it is not known what the Kurds will have further claims.
    Nevertheless, they have every right to their own independent life.
  9. Megatron
    Megatron 7 December 2015 08: 15
    12
    As far as I remember, the genocide of the Armenians, just the Kurds and carried out, according to the Turkish order.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 7 December 2015 08: 28
      -1
      Quote: Megatron
      Kurds and carried out, according to the Turkish order.

      Well, did the Turks say to every Kurd they met: "cut out the Armenians"? Nonsense, sheer! Just уThe Rki turned a blind eye to the fact that the Kurds did not share with them the loot during the extermination of the Armenians and Assyrians (by the way, Christians) and most likely declared: "destroy the infidels in the name of Allah, the most merciful and almighty."
    2. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 7 December 2015 22: 19
      +1
      the fact is that at that time the Turks themselves were mainly in the trenches, therefore, to solve the Armenian question, it was necessary to use mainly Kurds, those on the main front were of little use, despite all their loyalty to the central government.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 8 December 2015 07: 11
        0
        Quote: -Traveller-
        to solve the Armenian issue

        You narrow look at the problem. Reread my comment 08:28.
  10. V.ic
    V.ic 7 December 2015 08: 34
    +4
    Since there is a "Kurdish" card in the Middle East deck, it is a sin not to use it. It is not necessary to shed Russian blood for them / Kurds /, but it would be "just that" to train personnel and help with weapons. If the "independent" state "BiH" has appeared on the Serbian lands, then why Kurdistan does not appear on the borders of Turkey? Article plus.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 7 December 2015 10: 13
      28
      It is very difficult to use.

      The Communist Party in Turkey (the working party) is really fighting - they are implacable, they are crushed by tanks and bombed from aircraft, including in Turkey.

      The rest are not at all.
      The Kurds under the leadership of Stalin are second in loyalty, they help the Communist Party but for show and straightening karma. For this they are periodically bombed by the Turks.

      Kurds Barzani - the largest and most pro-Turkish group. Barzani with the Turks signs treaties (including on the base and on oil), bypassing Baghdad, the Turks help him stay in power, drive weapons, money and instructors. Near Barzani there are about 2/3 of all Iraqi Kurds.

      Kurds of Kobani are neutral with the Turks, they even let them into their territory. When the Black Kobani was stormed, the Americans and Turks saved them, the Turks even drove the arty and worked. The city is in ruins, but DAESH was defeated. By the way, Barzani was the only one who ignored the help of these Kurds, only under pressure, almost without his knowledge, 200 fighters and 3 gantraks were sent, when Kobani was already recaptured.

      The rest of the Syrian Kurds are even more disunited, basically everyone is holding on to their lands and do not want to know about others. Only now, when they expand, do appetites appear, but who knows where this will lead. For example, the Kurds in Aleppo (which is the city) have been holding their region since the beginning of the war and all are met with fire, the army of Assad, DAESH, Babakhs and Akhrar, Babakhs from "moderate groups" funded by the West.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 7 December 2015 11: 21
        +6
        Thank. Your post is much more accurate than the article itself.
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 7 December 2015 13: 07
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        The rest are not at all.


        Absolute. In each of the mentioned countries, Kurds are different (like gypsies) and the interests of these communities are completely different. Tbilisi also has an area where Kurds live compactly (a nation humiliated in Georgia), but their interests do not coincide with the interests of the Kurds living in Iraq.
        In general, the east is a delicate matter .... yes
      3. -Traveller-
        -Traveller- 7 December 2015 22: 24
        0
        but there are Yazidis who consider themselves Kurds themselves only when it is profitable. and the Kurds of these pagan relatives can hardly tolerate it.
        1. Aljavad
          Aljavad 8 December 2015 02: 49
          +1
          -Traveller- RU Yesterday, 22:24 PM ↑
          but there are Yazidis who consider themselves Kurds themselves only when it is profitable. and the Kurds of these pagan relatives can hardly tolerate it.


          The Yezidis say: Kurds are Yezidis who converted to Islam. Like this!
    2. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 7 December 2015 22: 22
      0
      Quote: V.ic
      If the "independent" state "BiH" appeared on the Serbian lands

      and who do you think these Bosnians are? these are the same Serbs, only Islamized. so on the Serbian lands another Serbian state appeared, that's all.
  11. Yugan Oleg
    Yugan Oleg 7 December 2015 08: 54
    +3
    The Turks have not yet given Ararat to the Armenians.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 December 2015 19: 14
      +2
      Quote: Oleg Yugan
      The Turks have not yet given Ararat to the Armenians.

      Well, de facto the Kurds have these lands and most of the Kurds are there)))
  12. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 7 December 2015 09: 37
    +6
    Some result. The Kurds are not a handful of partisans in the mountains, as the Turkish media want to present. This is 40 of millions of people, clearly representing what they want. These are not religious fanatics of ISIS, absolutely the opposite. This is Sunni, and Shia, and Alawites. There are Yezidis and Christians. That is, there is complete tolerance within the people, which is good news, and is rather an exception to the rule in the East.

    An interesting article, but the phrase I have highlighted makes me object to the author.
    The Kurds do not have unity, no matter how much Roman wants to see it. And there are all confessional problems inherent in the Middle East. And talking about a single 40 million Kurdish people is somewhat an exaggeration. The requirements of the Turkish, Iraqi, Iranian and Syrian Kurds have quite serious differences. And it is strange that, in his article, Roman notes this, and in conclusion he draws a similar conclusion. request
    Something like this happened in the East, colleagues. hi
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 7 December 2015 22: 27
      0
      Alawite Kurds? maybe the author had in mind Alevites, so this, as they say, is a big difference.
  13. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 7 December 2015 09: 54
    +4
    Kurds, whose will you be?
    Well, depending on which, for example, Iraqi is definitely a proxy.
    This became especially clear after "well, this is our oil"! What kind of leverage should the Americans have for the Kurds to shield the Turks ?!
  14. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 7 December 2015 10: 28
    +4
    Well, yes, but the Ukrainians are Russians running wild on the outskirts.
    Quote: avva2012
    Damn, again blurted out without thinking. Bad, I read Tolkien. There, after all, the orcs are wild elves. What a twist!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 7 December 2015 14: 27
      +2
      With all due respect, but. We, not elves, we are closer to those wild. Well, the Turks apparently consider themselves elves, but the real ones are not taken to Elfosouz. They remember how under Suleman they stood in front of Vienna.
  15. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 7 December 2015 11: 01
    +4
    "These are 40 million people who clearly understand what they want." ///

    If they had a clear idea of ​​what they want!
    Each village represents the future in its own way ...

    The fact of the matter is that there are the very opposite
    views on your future.
    For example, Iraqi Kurds are completely satisfied with their autonomy in the rich oil
    area. Saddam Hussein, who had their nightmares, is not missed. They sell oil to Turkey.
    The Americans helped them fight off IS attacks.
    And these Kurds even invite Turkish military instructors to help. On the "brothers" of
    PKK them sneeze.
  16. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 7 December 2015 11: 13
    -3
    Many thanks to the author for the excellent article! I read all the articles on VO about Kurds, and also met a book about Kurds --- I really liked:
    Andrew Collins. Fallen angels. Forbidden legacy of an ancient race. M. "Exmo" .2008.
    If, according to the Author, the Kurdish people are> 5000 years old, then they saw the birth and death of many peoples --- Egyptians, Achaeans, Babylonians, Romans, etc. And perhaps they caught the sunset and death of Lemuria --- an ancient sunken archipelago in the Indian Ocean ...
    From all my heart I wish the people of Kurdistan --- freedom, independence and statehood, and to the author of the article --- success !!!
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 7 December 2015 15: 02
      +1
      This is too much about Lemuria. Let's dwell on the Medes (who fought with the Scythians for control of Western Asia), and that's quite enough. This was all right. Collins and Lemuria somehow dug "finely", he would have brought him right to the stones with painted dinosaurs from Latin America! There, Muldashev would have pulled himself up to the familiar smell, with his "Lemurian eye".
      1. Standard
        Standard 7 December 2015 19: 06
        0
        Nomideans are considered Zoroastrians - but this is not on the list of Kurdish religions.
    2. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 7 December 2015 22: 29
      0
      what lemuria is there, they are still yours, i.e. dinosaurs found, Mr. Reptiloid.
  17. Belousov
    Belousov 7 December 2015 11: 44
    0
    We must work with the Kurds. That staff is already processing them in full. And we, unfortunately, do not know how to make contacts, promise cookies, etc. Too bad the Kurds could help a lot against the Turks. But in the hands of staff, this will be a problem, they will claim autonomy, by coincidence, on the border with the Turks and in the most oil-bearing areas.
  18. 72jora72
    72jora72 7 December 2015 12: 03
    +3
    Kurds are different for the Kurds, and the Iraqi Kurds will clash with the Turkish in a bloody showdown.
  19. Yugan Oleg
    Yugan Oleg 7 December 2015 12: 16
    +2
    Quote: Dimon-chik-79
    Kurds, whose will you be?
    Well, depending on which, for example, Iraqi is definitely a proxy.
    This became especially clear after "well, this is our oil"! What kind of leverage should the Americans have for the Kurds to shield the Turks ?!

    This is not a lever, but a separate stupidity of the Kurdish leaders - so they drained their Kurdistan.
  20. Pimply
    Pimply 7 December 2015 13: 36
    +7
    Roman, if you are trying to write analytics, then operate on facts, not your own speculation. The number of Kurds in Turkey is about 15-18 percent of the total population, Greeks are ethnically about one and a half. Turk - 70 percent. No need to smack nonsense in serious topics.
  21. Roust
    Roust 7 December 2015 14: 26
    0
    It is unclear what the hell out of these Kurds blurted out that it was their fuel trucks that wet our VKS ...? So the Kurds are different ...
  22. vk77
    vk77 7 December 2015 15: 05
    0
    We kind of leaked one of the Kurdish leaders in the early 90s, didn't we? Now they will still think whether to believe us or not.
  23. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 7 December 2015 16: 11
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    With data on the number of different ethnic groups, the author of the problem. This is especially true of the number of Greeks in modern Turkey.))
  24. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 7 December 2015 21: 14
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    I never believed Muldashev and Fomenko and never wrote anything about them in other comments, that it was you who fantasized about my thoughts? And notice, ANDREY 42, this is your fantasy, not mine. And about Lemuria, as well as about others the missing continents, about modern dinosaurs, wrote a wonderful Soviet scientist A.M. Kondratov.
    As for the Kurds, ---- they, as a nation, are no better and no worse than others.
    They are fighting for their existence, they want to have what other nations have — the state.
    You just need to find common ground in the calculation of the benefits of cooperation.
  25. FLOOD
    FLOOD 25 January 2018 10: 16
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    Not an article, but a scientific and historical novel!)))
    I haven’t laughed like that for a long time laughing