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Masks reset. Donetsk fish rotted from the head?

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Anticipating another wave of criticism and accusations from some media and bloggers on the “other” side, they say, everything is fine and the future is very bright, I will note only one thing. We write about successes in LDNR. There is no reason not to highlight what causes us a surge of positive emotions. But why are these emotions directly related to the activities of people who have nothing to do with the authorities?


Especially for some reason Donetsk.

No longer news. At the next closed meeting of the People’s Council of the DPR, which was already held as usual without cameras and the media, the deputy mandate was denied Hellas B. Shaftner. Yes, the one whose interviews we published in connection with the Purgin-Aleksandrov case.

In fact, the last active participant of the Russian Spring was removed. Removed tishkom, privately. Indeed, why to cover such events? In the DNI is still great! The Republic is confidently taking the path of development and creation. And the fact that traitors and provokers turned out to be in its ranks is a temporary phenomenon, and the true patriots of Donbass will fight with them, and they will fight.

To the very procedure of exile Shaftner. This, I may say so, could be called amusing if people had not disappeared after such procedures. There is a recording made during this "meeting". The quality leaves much to be desired, but everything that is needed is quite real.

Shaftner was accused of the fact that she was not Shaftner (although this is her real name), that she was not registered in the Donetsk region (this is true, she was born in Zaporozhye), and that she had forged documents in order to be elected to the National Assembly of the DPR.

Allegedly, three passports for different surnames were withdrawn from Shaftner’s house - and thus, according to the version of the People’s Council, she is a saboteur. It is difficult to say what right the National Assembly assigned itself to the investigative functions. For all the movements did not come from the MGB of the DPR, but from the National Assembly.

In the session hall showed some copies of the left passports, no one has provided these. Yes, Pushilin said that he has the originals. But ... I do not even want to continue.

Since Shaftner is not registered on the territory of the DPR, it means she is a saboteur. Very logical conclusion. It sounded in one of the cues in the hall.

Well, very original. So, we can conclude that everyone who is not a native of Donetsk region is a potential saboteur.

And one moment. The record repeatedly mentions a certain Natalya Anatolyevna (Pshenichnaya), who "lost" the Shaftner case. That is, it is unknown where all the results of the checks of the candidate for the deputies of the LPR Shaftner through the MGB and the prosecutor's office are unknown. And there appeared a certain “person without a passport”, behaved like he made his way to the People’s Council of the DPR. Accordingly, her at and the basement! For further clarification. A mandate in the furnace stories.

But Wheat - "vegetable", if judged biased. I doubt that what she did was her personal initiative. There is another figure who ordered her to accomplish what Ivanishina did.

So who is this man? And the face of something very familiar. Catherine Gubareva! Yes, yes, the same one. The former main "nurse" of the DPR humanitarian aid, arrived in Russia with one bag, and departed on two trucks and with its own fleet of not cheap jeeps. Well, the story of how her hubby had an accident, we all remember. And on what too.

So, now Gubareva, who actually headed the Free Donbass faction (who was against, we note, he really WAS a deputy), demonstrates a complete understanding with Pushilin. And, by the way, many in the DPR who are well informed in the events taking place, note that the Pushilin-Gubarev duet very amicably and actively gets rid of those whose understanding of the processes taking place in the DPR does not coincide with Pushilin's opinion.

Shaftner is not an isolated case. Also in a closed ballot, Alexey Bogdanov was spared the mandate. With him, too, everything is more or less clear. The Cossack should fight, and not to cut the truth-womb in parliament. So also removed.

The list of the National Assembly of the DPR “Free Donbass” is getting shorter. In principle, this is normal. Normal in any developed country (in theory) is the practice of depriving a deputy of the mandate. And, if it is furnished from a legal point of view flawlessly, then nobody sees anything terrible in this normal country.

The question is the DNI normal country and the country in general, leave it open.

In principle, what the so-called “people's council” is today from the point of view of legality does not stand up to criticism. But - if it suits everyone in the DPR, it means that there is something in it.

In the end, this is already an internal affair of the Pitmen themselves. They chose these deputies, they, as they say, and reap the benefits of the work of their elected representatives. And our business is to draw the appropriate conclusions.

The conclusions are not very pleasant. At first, they "once" departed from themselves the invented Constitution, then began to throw out deputies under various (and not always decent looking) pretexts. What's next? Then what?

It is clear that this is most likely the last action. Then everything will be like in the winter on a frozen lake - quiet and peaceful. The remaining deputies will calmly and without nerves vote for the Pushilin-Gubarev bloc and sit on poles evenly and without frills. In order to avoid a repetition of the fate of Purgin, Shaftner and others.

And it will be time for prosperity and development in the DPR.

And two more words about Shaftner. Yes, the people's representatives of the DPR who voted for the deprivation of its mandate know better, of course, what kind of person she is. We decided that she was a wolf in sheep's clothing - God be their judge. If Zaporizhzhya registration is such a weighty argument ... And what then would not arrest all non-residents of the Donetsk region, who occupy some leadership posts?

Maybe, by the way, Motorola knowingly so quickly rushed to Russia? Perhaps some information justifying such abrupt movements came to him?

If two contusions, shrapnel wounds, burns received at the Donetsk airport, all this is not enough to prove loyalty to Shaftner ... well, excuse me. In defense of Hellas Borisovna, I will only say that when she rushed along the entire front line, collecting material as a member of the commission of war crimes of the Ukrainian junta against Donbass, Mrs. Gubareva was busy with humanitarian aid and spread her fingers in Russia with a fan.

Apparently, each boots its season. Well, again, it is not for us to judge who is now more necessary to the people of Donbass.

But apparently, such thoughts are visited not only my head. There, above, they also think and draw the appropriate conclusions. This is me already in the subject of the failed "Crimean scenario" for LDNR. And at the top they know much more. And we can only see the results from our bell bells. Actually, we see.

It turned out how it happened. Let the voters who voted for the Free Donbass assess the internal politics of this social movement. But they can do this only in the next election. In the meantime, let them swallow everything they want to please the wife of the former "people's governor of Donbass" Ekaterina Gubareva. Well, the figure "MMM" Pushilin. In the end, it was they who voted for them, not us.

Discussing this topic with one of my Donetsk friends, I “made a catch” from him: in Russia there are more crooks and thieves. And (perhaps) and more mayhem.

Indisputable remark. Indeed, we have only more. We seem to be more ourselves. But there is a small difference. This Russia contains LDNR. Humanitarianism, energy, salaries and pensions. That's when it becomes at least on an equal footing - then we will take over one and all. In the meantime ...

So far we can only observe what will be built in the DPR. Donetsk People's Republic or Donetsk branch MMM. Or an analogue of warehouses on Shchors in Rostov. God forbid, of course.

By the way, on many Ukrainian websites the information about these resignations caused almost satisfaction.


A recording of what is happening in the assembly hall of the National Assembly of the DPR can be downloaded and listened here: https://vk.com/doc257340766_437072771?hash=7fb27ff6264eb42f6a&dl=c4a87c153a6992c9fe.
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  1. Good me
    Good me 7 December 2015 10: 05
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    It turned out the way it turned out. Let the voters who voted for "Free Donbass" assess the internal politics of this social movement. But they will be able to do this only in the next elections.


    Was there an election? belay belay belay ...

    We (I certainly) missed something?

    As far as is known, in the Donbass as a whole, and the DPR in particular, only a referendum and elections of the heads of republics were held. And the elections to local governments were canceled (postponed) in order to bring them into the framework of the Minsk format.

    Obviously the author "floats" in a real political situation, operating on fictional events ...
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Fonmeg
        Fonmeg 7 December 2015 10: 12
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        The censor is working. Whatever they don't like, "they" don't need it!
      2. :SCYTHIAN:
        :SCYTHIAN: 7 December 2015 10: 17
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        In fact, the article was just awful, not a single specific thesis, not a single idea, NOTHING !!!! (Well, except for one he sends: there is no hope, we will all die) But I consider that the fact that it was deleted is not right. If the site administration did this, then I have no words. And if the author did it, then he is just a coward !!!!
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. Altona
            Altona 7 December 2015 10: 35
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            Quote: Marxist
            I copied it yesterday from the site of the "Sulakshin Center".
            So here: went to bed - there is an article, woke up - no longer!

            -----------------------
            Yesterday I came out on articles about Strelkov, he and Sulakshin are comrades-in-arms and are organizing an anti-Putin party, it was written that his political instructor "Ivanov" is a Hitlerist and a fascist by convictions. I did not save the links, and in general there is a large volume there, I myself have not yet read and have not fully comprehended ...
          2. Saratoga833
            Saratoga833 7 December 2015 10: 42
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            Because the article showed the true attitude of the people to the internal policy of our President, and this policy is completely incomprehensible to people. Therefore, the article was removed. Mocking is called by the site administration.
            1. lelikas
              lelikas 7 December 2015 10: 59
              -3
              Quote: Saratoga833
              Because the article showed the true attitude of the people to the internal policy of our President, and this policy is completely incomprehensible to people. Therefore, the article was removed. Mocking is called by the site administration.

              I beg you - where are the people? , who knows about him, except 2500 people who liked him in his facebook?
              "Fund" consisting of four people and openly asking for money, about the fact that they also wrote their constitution (in some places to the point) - so before and for less was imprisoned.
            2. murking
              murking 7 December 2015 11: 05
              -2
              So full of sites with similar articles, you need a variety =)
            3. Sega66
              Sega66 7 December 2015 11: 07
              -1
              Don't you take a lot on yourself, for the whole people? Learn to answer for your "market".
            4. Terner38
              Terner38 7 December 2015 12: 15
              17 th
              People are very often for the most part stupid and such articles exist in order to manipulate them. The so-called "democracy" has never done anything good anywhere. There was an article, people expressed their opinion (see point 1), they did not shut their mouths to anyone, if the modernization was removed, so it was put on that so that stupid thoughts would not spread.
              1. Peterhof 73
                Peterhof 73 7 December 2015 12: 33
                +9
                Quote: Terner38
                People are very often for the most part stupid and such articles exist in order to manipulate them. The so-called "democracy" has never done anything good anywhere. There was an article, people expressed their opinion (see point 1), they did not shut their mouths to anyone, if the modernization was removed, so it was put on that so that stupid thoughts would not spread.

                What thoughts do you think are smart and what are not? I would take note, and henceforth would write only clever thoughts. As soon as a stupid thought comes into an empty head, I will immediately write to the moderator, whether he will allow him to write it or not. You look and I will become a "marshal". (Irony)
              2. anip
                anip 7 December 2015 18: 52
                +3
                Quote: Terner38
                The people very often in their mass are stupid, and such articles exist to manipulate them.

                And why is there television and Putin and pro-Putin propaganda?
            5. Slavs
              Slavs 7 December 2015 12: 23
              +5
              Well, it’s not the people, but an individual physicist and mathematician ... The article really should not have been deleted, the opinion does exist, although I did not agree with the contents of yesterday’s article.
            6. Peterhof 73
              Peterhof 73 7 December 2015 12: 29
              +9
              Quote: Saratoga833
              Because the article showed the true attitude of the people to the internal policy of our President, and this policy is completely incomprehensible to people. Therefore, the article was removed. Mocking is called by the site administration.

              And administrators will "sycophant" in your opinion before whom? Does CAM really read our letters? Then the question is removed. If not, then he is outraged by the deletion of the article. This is done only in the Ruin. Freedom for parrots!
              1. Marxist
                Marxist 7 December 2015 12: 37
                +2
                Mr. Turner38,

                We already saw your contempt for your people, it remains to find out - who will determine the stupidity of thoughts? Do you personally?
              2. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 7 December 2015 12: 37
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                Quote: Petergofsky73
                Freedom to the parrots!

                Have you been to Tahiti? answer: We are not badly fed here either .. laughing
            7. asiat_61
              asiat_61 7 December 2015 22: 45
              +1
              In my opinion, this is freedom of speech in full. Well, to SALA modulators.
        2. Good me
          Good me 7 December 2015 10: 23
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          Quote:: SKIF:
          In fact, the article was just awful, not a single specific thesis, not a single idea, NOTHING !!!! (Well, except for one he sends: there is no hope, we will all die) But I consider that the fact that it was deleted is not right. If the site administration did this, then I have no words. And if the author did it, then he is just a coward !!!!


          Actually, to the author, or to the one who posted the article, why delete it?

          And to do this, technically, is very problematic. Again, only through the administration, and having weighty arguments, for its (administration) conviction.
        3. oldseaman1957
          oldseaman1957 7 December 2015 10: 54
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          Quote:: SKIF:
          And if the author did it, then he is just a coward !!!!

          A lot of comrade "author" does not finish speaking ... And if we take it in a simple way, in all honesty, the "Donetsk" power is a copy of our "Kremlin" power. And I think this not gloating, but with pain!
        4. Irbis77
          Irbis77 7 December 2015 10: 59
          +9
          Well, let's say for you in the article there was nothing and it wasn’t, but for those who listen to live GDP, the GDP gave quite encouraging promises.
          Namely - The calculation, in many respects, on import substitution. The president proposes to add another 20 billion rubles to the industrial development fund - from there comes the monetary recharge of priority projects.
          20 lardoa to maintain panties our political elite does not hurt. a couple of century constructions will be muddied and black caviar sprinkled on a sandwich with butter.
        5. murking
          murking 7 December 2015 11: 55
          -6
          In general, it’s ridiculous, a patriotic site whose article is copy-paste by our military enemy (Ukrainians), the same as the Germans would copy-paste, articles of our truth in the Second World War, I can hardly imagine this parallel, at that time we would simply be shot for such an article.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 7 December 2015 13: 17
            +4
            Generally funny, a patriotic site whose article is copy-paste by our military enemy (Ukrainians)


            You are comparing the incomparable. In WWII, power fought for the country and the people. And therefore, she could be forgiven for mistakes and some excesses, especially since she herself corrected them. And the current government is fighting for the profits of the oligarchs and the ability to further rob the people. And the defense of the motherland in last place, just along the way. Therefore, THIS authorities do not forgive anything.
            1. murking
              murking 7 December 2015 15: 16
              -8
              The Communists lost the largest piece of territory in the history of mankind without firing a shot, and now they are talking about their economic miracle, which was built on free labor, when people like slaves worked for food, (and now everyone in iPhones and cars are unhappy) can come back and work for the grub. The hunger was not only among the hahlov, but throughout the country, when grain was taken for the needs of the party. Of course, many fans from Stalin, who in his youth was engaged in robberies and robbery, post pictures with his radiant face, although his face was in a terrible ripple, so the shooting was carried out at certain angles, with fused toes on one leg he walked with a limp, the girls met him out of pity on their own memoirs, and what a wonderful Finnish war was
              Another negative result for the USSR was the formation of the leadership of a number of countries about the weaknesses of the Red Army. Information about the course, circumstances and results (a significant excess of Soviet losses over Finnish [124]) of the Winter War strengthened the position of supporters of the war against the USSR in Germany [34]. In early January 1940, the German envoy to Helsinki, Blucher submitted to the Foreign Ministry a memorandum with the following ratings: despite the superiority in manpower and equipment, the Red Army suffered one defeat after another, leaving thousands of people captive, losing hundreds of guns, tanks, aircraft and decisively failed to conquer territory. In this connection, German ideas about Bolshevik Russia should be reviewed.
              1. skeptic31
                skeptic31 7 December 2015 16: 49
                +3
                Do you even read what you write? Wake up, bring the ammonia to the nose. What do the Communists have to do with Yeltsin, Gaidar, Shakhrai (I was sure that they were liberals before your comment), and other direct participants in the collapse of the Union and the distribution of the ancestral territories of Russia. This is the same as with the economy, the liberals are shitting, and others must respond.
                1. Rusich is not from Kiev
                  Rusich is not from Kiev 7 December 2015 20: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: skeptic31
                  Communists have to do with Yeltsin, Gaidar, Shakhrai

                  Excuse me, is Yeltsin one of the democrats? What did they forget from what party he was? Shahrai probably also didn’t have a party card? Maybe Gaidar was not a pioneer and Komsomol member?

                  It was the Communists who destroyed the USSR, and the fact that they collided with the collapse of liberals and democrats does not mean anything. The country collapsed and no one except the GKChP began to defend it.
      3. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 7 December 2015 10: 22
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        Quote: Marxist
        But as soon as the "wrong" comments (obviously, from the point of view of Romanov) appear and collect dozens of advantages - that's it, there is none.


        Dear, "Karl Liebkhnet", why not just ask where the article went, why immediately blame the site administration for the lack of "tolerance" ?!
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 7 December 2015 10: 35
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          Then I will ask you a question, but where did my comments on this article go, having gained fifty pluses (approval of my remark) on the article?
          1. B.T.V.
            B.T.V. 7 December 2015 10: 46
            -1
            Quote: NordUral
            Then I will ask you a question, but where did my comments on this article go, having gained fifty pluses (approval of my remark) on the article?


            If you ask me this question, then my comments have also disappeared. Yes, I wonder why, but this does not mean that we should accuse the moderators of "sycophancy". I think that before putting forward any assumptions, let alone accusations, one should at least try to find out the reason for the deletion of the article, or am I wrong ?!
            1. Good me
              Good me 7 December 2015 11: 04
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              Quote: B.T.W.
              If you ask me this question, then my comments have also disappeared. Yes, I wonder why, but this does not mean that we should accuse the moderators of "sycophancy". I think that before putting forward any assumptions, let alone accusations, one should at least try to find out the reason for the deletion of the article, or am I wrong ?!


              Are right yes

              Therefore, in order to exclude various kinds of "misunderstandings", the administration should delete the "body" (text) of the article and comments, but under HEADERpost your comment regarding the reason for the removal ...

              And technically, this is not at all difficult to do ...
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 7 December 2015 11: 54
                +8
                Quote: Good Me
                And technically, this is not at all difficult to do.

                Yeah, leave it to you and you will continue to encroach on 89,999 percent of the rating ... died so died .. laughing
            2. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 7 December 2015 12: 05
              +8
              Quote: B.T.W.
              or am I not right?!

              It is likely that more serious forces are involved, the site is eyeing and peering well, that’s it.
              On the part of the administration, it’s already worthy that they posted an article at all .. Personally, I understand them - you won’t beat them with a whip ..
              1. Peterhof 73
                Peterhof 73 7 December 2015 12: 36
                0
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                Quote: B.T.W.
                or am I not right?!

                It is likely that more serious forces are involved, the site is eyeing and peering well, that’s it.
                On the part of the administration, it’s already worthy that they posted an article at all .. Personally, I understand them - you won’t beat them with a whip ..

                That is, you believe that "skalozubovschina" swallowed the VO? Or is the site itself no longer a cake?
                1. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 7 December 2015 12: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Petergofsky73
                  "skalozubovschina" swallowed VO?

                  Imyanno - The monster shook, mischievously, immensely harsh and barking ...
              2. Good me
                Good me 7 December 2015 15: 13
                +2
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                On the part of the administration, it’s already worthy that they posted an article at all .. Personally, I understand them - you won’t beat them with a whip ..


                Yeah ... Perhaps the one who missed this article, already with a whip and a butt ...yes
          2. Penetrator
            Penetrator 7 December 2015 10: 56
            -6
            Quote: NordUral
            and where did my comments on this article go, having gained fifty pluses (approval of my remark) on the article?

            What a horror: they have deprived the pluses, scoundrels!
            1. Marxist
              Marxist 7 December 2015 11: 03
              14
              And NordUral did not ply itself (like me).
              Pros and cons are an estimation of users.
              Therefore, I absolutely do not understand your malice.
              Sincerely.
            2. Good me
              Good me 7 December 2015 11: 06
              +2
              Quote: Penetrator
              What a horror: they have deprived the pluses, scoundrels!


              I do not know No. , my "pluses" - "minuses" to that article, remained with me ...
            3. Peterhof 73
              Peterhof 73 7 December 2015 12: 37
              +3
              Quote: Penetrator
              Quote: NordUral
              and where did my comments on this article go, having gained fifty pluses (approval of my remark) on the article?

              What a horror: they have deprived the pluses, scoundrels!

              You are from me as a consolation + + + + +
          3. Valentine
            Valentine 7 December 2015 12: 22
            -8
            I read the comments on this "order" and am amazed
            . You what, sucks to live, you swell with hunger, "knocking"
            from the last forces on the keyboard of laptop computers? You have no job, nothing to feed your families, so you don't get off your internet couch? And you, with tears and snot, thus, complain about your poor and bitter life? Putin is to blame for all your troubles? .. Have you tried to work? Don't you want to plow for yourself and your family? Two, three jobs, but work hard, for the welfare of your family, your children and your elderly. You try, and you will be happy ... And pay attention to the "regulars" on this resource, at the time of posting their comments, they "work" here around the clock, what kind of work is there, they don't even have time to sleep ... And about this little article, a complete "order"
            .Zakharchenko and Pushilin are normal men who took upon themselves this difficult burden, and they were chosen by the people of Donbass.
            At such a time, not everyone decides to take on such a burden. DNR is only in the process of formation and recovery ... Where did you see that during war and fighting, they pay at least some kind of salary, pension, children's allowance? Where did you see that during the war they repair roads, water pipes, gas pipelines, power supplies? Where
            you saw that during the war destroyed houses, hospitals, kindergartens, schools were rebuilt, children were organized holidays, summer camps. All this is done in the DPR, and people are grateful to the local authorities, grateful to Russia, without her help Donbass would not have survived .. the fifth "column, in the person of this hack, was, is and will be, as they say, the enemy does not sleep. Such is life. As for the" minus ", I
            "drum".
            1. Mik13
              Mik13 7 December 2015 12: 49
              +2
              Quote: Valentine
              Zakharchenko and Pushilin are normal men who took upon themselves this difficult burden, and they were chosen by the people of Donbass.


              About Zakharchenko - no doubt.
              As for Pushilin - if he had not been on the same party list somewhere after Purgin - no one would have ever voted for him. This is as likely as the election of Mavrodi to the State Duma of the Russian Federation.

              And then Purgin "resigned" with the assistance of the MGB ...
              1. proletarian
                proletarian 7 December 2015 22: 45
                +4
                Pushilin is a ferret, even at the congress on May 24.05.2014, XNUMX, when this "body" was "drawn" on the podium, it became clear that he did not care about everyone except himself from a high mountain. An arrogant, arrogant, type of other people.
                It's a pity the video is not loaded, even those three and a half minutes of his speech (which he filmed) is enough to get an idea of ​​this person. The same Oleg Tsarev "man", when the disagreements and disputes between representatives of the LPR and DPR began, it was Tsarev who "made" a break "settled the situation", or, more simply, "led to a common denominator", when they left the "meeting" room, he watched Tsarev in the "smoking room", his nerves after these "negotiations" were not to hell, in general he "spat" for a long time ...
            2. Haettenschweiler
              Haettenschweiler 7 December 2015 14: 33
              13
              Quote: Valentine
              I read the comments on this "order" and am amazed


              - The fact that this "order" is solely your personal opinion, and it has nothing to do with objectivity. Personally, I think that the liquidation of the next People's Deputy of the National Assembly under a ridiculous pretext is a "zakazukha" (seriously, if only they found a grenade launcher under her pillow - the SBU and the more serious matter of "catching saboteurs" is obstructing) But I won’t be surprised that others do not understand “such a simple thing”: each of us has our own head on our shoulders. You can't sew your own to strangers.

              Quote: Valentine
              You do not have work, there is nothing to feed your families, and therefore do not get off the Internet sofa? And you, with tears and snot, thus complaining about your poor and bitter life? Is Putin to blame for all your troubles ?.


              - In general, neither to the village, nor to the city. Or didn’t I just catch your subtle and full of hidden meaning thought? Develop, if not difficult.

              Quote: Valentine
              You do not want to plow for yourself and your family? At two, at three jobs, but work hard, for the well-being of your family, your children and your old people. You try, and you will be happy ...


              - No, I’m better - to the deputy. You eat into three throats, in a state-owned Mercedes you dissect it with a motorcade, there are flashing lights, the guards beat everyone in a row who looked askance, you pinch off a little bit of the budget for "small children", you look at everyone as if they were ... the job is not to snore too loudly in meetings. Not to wake up the neighbors.

              Quote: Valentine
              And pay attention to the "regulars" on this resource, at the time of posting their comments, they "work" here around the clock, what kind of work is there, they don't even have time to sleep ...


              - Stupidity squared. The time of publication on the site is indicated as Moscow. While we are all from different regions, time zones and even countries.

              Quote: Valentine
              Where did you see that during war and battles they pay at least some kind of salary, pension, child allowance?


              - The Russian-Chechen war, the Russian-Afghan war, the Russian-Japanese war and so on, right up to the First World War. The only serious exception is World War II, and I think we should not tell why it became an exception.

              Quote: Valentine
              All this is being done in the DPR, and people are grateful to the local authorities, grateful to Russia, without its help the Donbass would not have survived ..


              - So. And what does Pushilin have to do with it, for example? Figuratively speaking: we throw Pushilin in the trash, take another, completely arbitrary person. Even if he is deaf and dumb from birth, a mentally defective person and a Papuan are also. What will happen? As a result, it will probably be bad, but even with such a leader, LDNR will be able to exist for a very long time, relying on Russia's support and local leadership. Warriors will fight, under the leadership of their commanders, workers will build, women will put in order the destroyed hospitals, schools ... in general, little will change. The National Assembly is such a thing that today in LDNR a well-known body is not needed. Democracy is good where life is calm and well-fed.
            3. anip
              anip 7 December 2015 18: 55
              +3
              Quote: Valentine
              At two, at three works, but work hard

              Interestingly, what two or three jobs do you do yourself? If you "work hard", then something tells me that it is clearly not in the face and not at the lathe.
              1. Valentine
                Valentine 7 December 2015 23: 41
                -1
                I did my job back in Norilsk, I had to work at two jobs, and I don’t complain about my northern pension.
          4. alicante11
            alicante11 7 December 2015 13: 24
            0
            Then I will ask you a question, but where did my comments on this article go, having gained fifty pluses (approval of my remark) on the article?


            He did not reflect whose comments were on which the eye "stumbled". But why he stumbled that the comment was completely inadequate and unsubstantiated like "the cat abandoned the kittens - it's Putin's fault." At the same time, he had a rating of +8, while the comment under it just with a question on this comment had a rating of -2. I decided that a troll landing had come and by the evening the ratings would return to normal. But when it was evening on the server, I already had a night, and for now there is no article.
            So, maybe, because of the troll-assault, they demolished the article?
          5. lis-ik
            lis-ik 7 December 2015 14: 42
            +3
            Not only your comments disappeared with the article, if the article was deleted, then the comments attached to it, respectively, but it was not in vain that I wrote that our media are now almost Soviet.
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        2. lelikas
          lelikas 7 December 2015 11: 59
          0
          Quote: B.T.W.
          Why immediately blame the site administration for the lack of "tolerance"? !!

          And thank God - there were still not enough articles in defense of gays in the army and navy.
      4. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 7 December 2015 10: 24
        -4
        Quote: Marxist
        Dear site administration, I have a question for you:
        An article entitled "Address to the Federal Assembly: meaninglessness, helplessness, irresponsibility, hopelessness" was published yesterday.
        For what reason was it removed? She hung on the site all yesterday - and for some reason no violations were registered.
        But as soon as the "wrong" comments (obviously, from the point of view of Romanov) appear and collect dozens of advantages - that's it, there is none.
        As soon as the number of positive assessments of an article equals the level of negative ones - where is it?
        Is this the level of competence and independence of the moderation of HE?
        Once it was an interesting resource, representing different points of view - and now, it seems, some moderators started the witch hunt ???


        And, actually, what bolt from VO to arrange the supreme council of the times of all sobchaks and stankevichs there? When everyone yells about their own and do not hear anyone. Mostly close-minded people gathered here to discuss common topics. It doesn’t suit you - three claws on the clave, and you are in your favorite garbage dump, full of them, bring FULL democracy to the stupid masses.
        1. Good me
          Good me 7 December 2015 11: 36
          +4
          Quote: iliitch
          And, actually, what bolt from VO to arrange the supreme council of the times of all sobchaks and stankevichs there? When everyone yells about their own and do not hear anyone.


          Partly, in some ways, you can agree with you yes , but also the fact that the "Sobchaks and Stankevichs" were not shot as a result of their screams, it should be noted ...

          And the article, and comments, were eliminated fellow ...
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      6. dauria
        dauria 7 December 2015 10: 31
        32
        An article entitled "Address to the Federal Assembly: meaninglessness, helplessness, irresponsibility, hopelessness" was published yesterday.
        Why was it removed?


        Indeed, I wanted to re-read serious comments (albeit controversial), but no article. Dear administration, I go to the site to see live, not indifferent people, very different at times. And to read fresh repeating news without the desire to answer, there are as many sites as you like. I hope you are not going to turn VO into one of them?
        1. Sega66
          Sega66 7 December 2015 11: 16
          11 th
          The author and Co. have their own website, go in, communicate, sing praises ... And on VO this article, in my opinion, is not to the "place".
          1. region58
            region58 7 December 2015 11: 33
            11
            Quote: Sega66
            And on VO this article, in my opinion, is not to the "place"

            Judging by the serious passions that flared up in the comments, very much to the point. In my opinion, the main question that worries people is why Presidential decrees are not being followed?
            1. tomket
              tomket 7 December 2015 11: 36
              17
              Quote: region58
              In my opinion, the main question that excites people

              The main question that excites people, how will we live on? But Putin does not give an answer. That is the whole reason for the controversy.
              1. Marxist
                Marxist 7 December 2015 11: 50
                +3
                It is not easy why presidential decrees are not implemented - why does the president agree with this?
                According to the CONSTITUTION, the "May decrees" must be implemented by 100 percent, and Putin says - "we must strive."
                Strive, asks, WHAT?
                While striving for new "dashing 90".
                And the message to the congregation contained nothing but repeated 15 years of ranting.
                Personal opinion.
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 7 December 2015 13: 42
                  +3
                  According to the CONSTITUTION, the "May decrees" must be implemented by 100 percent, and Putin says - "we must strive."


                  I explain. So every year we make applications to the university for equipment for training sessions and materials. But we don't even get the office supplies and consumables in full, not to mention laboratory stands or simulators. It's funny (through tears), but we buy whiteboard markers with our own money. At the same time, there is only one answer from the university - there is no money, there is a shortfall in the extra-budgetary budget, when there was no shortage, there is simply no money and without explanation. This is what is called "strive". The management strives to get something, to knock it out, but ... you can't jump over your head. That's how it is with GDP. The money in the treasury is decreasing, and the oligarch owners do not want to tighten their belts anymore. Like, we gave you a head start in the 2000s, now we only wish to reap the benefits. So spin as you like, strive to fulfill the "decrees". He's still not so bad at it.
                  1. anip
                    anip 7 December 2015 19: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: alicante11
                    but ... you can’t jump above your head. That's the way GDP is.

                    Poor, poor, weak GDP. Resign.
              2. region58
                region58 7 December 2015 12: 01
                +6
                Quote: tomket
                The main question that excites people, how will we live on? But Putin does not give an answer. That is the whole reason for the controversy.

                I agree, the only question is "how are we going to live further?" and it arises when you see that the president says one thing, the government nods its heads and does something else, no one decree to local officials ...
              3. alicante11
                alicante11 7 December 2015 13: 34
                +6
                The main question that excites people, how will we live on? But Putin does not give an answer. That is the whole reason for the controversy.


                So he himself does not know. And he doesn't know if he himself will be alive in a few years. Look at Saddam and Gaddafi. The latter was a much more worthy ruler and a wise politician, but ... "he took the burden uncomfortably and strained himself." And nuclear weapons do not always help. If the oligarch-owners surrender, and the people do not support, then not a single rocket will take off. Passed already in the 17th and 91st.
                1. anip
                  anip 7 December 2015 19: 04
                  +3
                  Quote: alicante11
                  If the oligarch masters surrender

                  While Putin is working for them and for them-they will not surrender.
            2. anip
              anip 7 December 2015 19: 01
              +2
              Quote: region58
              In my opinion, the main question that worries people is why Presidential decrees are not being followed?

              Lord, is anyone else worried? Has it not yet reached everyone that all his decrees are decrees to the public and no more?
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 7 December 2015 13: 31
            -2
            And on VO this article, in my opinion, is out of place.


            Out of place. Because trolling is dumb. And the real "shoals" of power are intertwined with demagoguery. Power has something to blame. But firstly, not to those who were in it and wiped out from the trough, and secondly, for real failures and shortcomings.
          3. Haettenschweiler
            Haettenschweiler 7 December 2015 14: 36
            +6
            Quote: Sega66
            The author and Co. have their own website, go in, communicate, sing praises ... And on VO this article, in my opinion, is not to the "place".


            - Well, for the same - for yours! - on the principle of "VO" there will never be articles about the actions of the President of Russia (your site), about weapons (your site), historical articles (sites - a lot), news (tabloids - a lot), but there will be exclusively author's articles like "opinion "unknown and uninteresting individuals who do not have sites and forums.
      7. Irbis77
        Irbis77 7 December 2015 10: 36
        +2
        inflation slowed, the ruble stabilized, industry revives. GDP - Handsome !!! I cried to be honest.
        1. Haettenschweiler
          Haettenschweiler 7 December 2015 14: 39
          +4
          Quote: Irbis77
          inflation slowed down


          - Rush? ..

          http://news.rambler.ru/business/32148777/

          http://news.rambler.ru/business/32062508/

          http://news.rambler.ru/business/32150306/
          1. anip
            anip 7 December 2015 19: 06
            0
            Quote: Haettenschweiler
            - Rush? ..

            Yes, this is banter.
        2. anip
          anip 7 December 2015 19: 06
          +3
          Quote: Irbis77
          inflation slowed, the ruble stabilized, industry revives. GDP - Handsome !!! I cried to be honest.

          Right Together with tears, I wanted to ask him: Have you seen the ruble exchange rate for a long time, have you entered stores for a long time?
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      9. Snail N9
        Snail N9 7 December 2015 10: 44
        18
        I am a new person on the forum and have already noticed that gentlemen with "monograms" on shoulder straps "behave insolently and categorically here - everything, directly," like in the army "or in the" authorities ", where they are most likely from.
        1. Penetrator
          Penetrator 7 December 2015 10: 59
          +8
          Quote: Snail N9
          opodes with "monograms" on their shoulder straps "behave impudently and categorically here, all, directly," like in the army "

          Nobody has canceled bullying - this is a systemic phenomenon laughing
        2. aleks_29296
          aleks_29296 7 December 2015 12: 32
          +5
          Quote: Snail N9
          I am a new person on the forum and have already noticed that gentlemen with "monograms" on shoulder straps "behave insolently and categorically here - everything, directly," like in the army "or in the" authorities ", where they are most likely from.

          Not all. There are individuals who imagine themselves to be gods.
        3. Peterhof 73
          Peterhof 73 7 December 2015 12: 45
          -1
          Quote: Snail N9
          I am a new person on the forum and have already noticed that gentlemen with "monograms" on shoulder straps "behave insolently and categorically here - everything, directly," like in the army "or in the" authorities ", where they are most likely from.

          Valuable observation. Did you accidentally make a mistake with the forum? The rules of the game are everywhere. You either accept them, or you don’t play them. As we (where "you come from") they used to say: "If you don't like it, write a report."
          1. Penetrator
            Penetrator 7 December 2015 13: 12
            0
            Quote: Petergofsky73
            As we (where "from") used to say: "If you don't like it, write a report."

            Well yes. Or "go to the national economy" laughing
          2. Snail N9
            Snail N9 7 December 2015 16: 01
            -1
            Well, yes ... before entering this forum I read the "rules of the forum" (strange, right?) And there is "something" about "respect for the interlocutor", I hope not forgotten? But as experience shows, chelas with "monograms" consider this rule "optional" for them, and even some without "monograms", as I now see the same thing.
      10. lelikas
        lelikas 7 December 2015 10: 51
        -2
        Quote: Marxist
        Why was it removed? 

        Probably because it absolutely does not fit in with two words - MILITARY REVIEW - which I also wrote about yesterday. Gentlemen - you want politoty - blow here http://politobzor.net/, but here it is not necessary, enough that all the TVs have ruined her. hi
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          1. lelikas
            lelikas 7 December 2015 11: 15
            -1
            Quote: Marxist
            Those. article "Masks dropped. Donetsk fish rotted from the head?" does it fit with "VO", but "Message" does not?
            Double standards, don't you think?

            Not really, since "VO" was practically directly involved in all this - some with money, some with things, some with products, then it also has a certain responsibility with interest.
            And hamsters who did not answer yesterday for more than one comment now are sad that they have lost their pluses. And by this - all go http://politobzor.net/ - there you can discuss what you want, but fortunately, without me.
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          1. domokl
            domokl 7 December 2015 12: 45
            +3
            Quote: Snail N9
            now, it turns out that something like the foolishness of the "Colorado cockroach" is directly related to the topic of MILITARY REVIEW

            Exactly. A cockroach has long been not ugliness but a brand laughing He is a local aboregen
            1. Snail N9
              Snail N9 7 December 2015 16: 03
              -1
              Clear. "Nepotism" in all its "glory".
        3. Vladislav 73
          Vladislav 73 7 December 2015 11: 27
          +7
          Yes, here it’s not MILITARY, but POLITICAL-ECONOMIC REVIEW for a long time! Eyes, develop, Field Marshal! For a long time already a lot of questions for moderators, administrators and other field marshals have arisen, read comments.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 7 December 2015 11: 53
            0
            Quote: Vladislav 73
            Yes, here it’s not MILITARY, but POLITICAL-ECONOMIC REVIEW for a long time! Eyes, develop, Field Marshal! For a long time already a lot of questions for moderators, administrators and other field marshals have arisen, read comments.

            Bombed yes? There have been many questions for a long time, only the answers do not suit everyone, especially those who do not think to answer, preferring to blame everything on the generals who are minuscule to them. The Wailing Wall regularly rises in topics once every couple of months. I also wrote about another topic - what the hell is it - and there, except for the minuses, didn’t get anything, do you need checkers or go? , in the sense that you need to communicate or pluses?
          2. Penetrator
            Penetrator 7 December 2015 12: 28
            0
            Quote: Vladislav 73
            For a long time already a lot of questions to moderators, administrators and other field marshals arise, read the comments.

            Is that a riot ?! To the nail of the rebels! laughing
      11. tomket
        tomket 7 December 2015 10: 53
        20
        Quote: Marxist
        She hung on the site all yesterday - and for some reason no violations were registered.

        Putin did not like the comments, apparently picked up the minuses and affected the rating ...
      12. murking
        murking 7 December 2015 11: 03
        14 th
        There are a lot of similar articles on the echo of Moscow, but there are a lot of pluses, because Ukrainians, the communist moth, rogues who want a revolution and dividing in a new way, Girkindomuridites, Natsiks, generally normal people in the minority will soon occupy the site, since they are not interested in politics mainly.
      13. cap
        cap 7 December 2015 11: 19
        +2
        When you ask to bring tea to the outlet,
        and they brought it to you,
        There are several options:
        1- do not drink tea and
        2-change hotel
        3 - move to another city
        4 - to another state like B. Berezovsky
        5 - stop drinking tea, start drinking vodka or something more budgetary.
        Remember how the joke ends?
        "- our boss is not a major at all, but he liked your joke" hi
      14. murking
        murking 7 December 2015 11: 25
        -6
        In general, the country is already at war, it is necessary to introduce censorship everywhere, access to the Internet only according to passport data, create a ministry of information control, which will write comments massively, put pluses =) And then oil if it drops to 20 is hard, plus sanctions will be strengthened if Russia in this time will stumble, the terras have now accumulated very strong power, this may be the last revolution, and Ukrainians are happy but if Russia falls, nobody will stop them, the war will go on for decades.
      15. Manul
        Manul 7 December 2015 11: 26
        0
        Quote: Marxist
        Yesterday the article "Address to the Federal Assembly:

        Quote: Marxist
        I re-paste it yesterday

        Well deleted. Have you spent a lot of time copying? I also understand that if you spent several evenings polishing the style of personal literary work. And so they simply threw in it is unclear that they are indignant. The administration has the right to everything. And if they didn’t like it, then you shouldn’t be indignant aloud. Because with such a democracy, anarchy begins. Write them a letter, ask in a PM of the same Romanov for example. Can you say anything about this article? One of the rare drawbacks of your comment is mine.
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          1. lelikas
            lelikas 7 December 2015 12: 05
            +2
            Quote: Marxist
            Unsubscribe in the style of Lelikas

            Thank ! I did not know that I had it repeat .
          2. murking
            murking 7 December 2015 12: 09
            -5
            You’d better ask why you weren’t shot, according to the law of the war, for stuffing, someone read the biography of the author of that article, but at the first handout, he will write the exact opposite article and he will clean his shoes =)
          3. domokl
            domokl 7 December 2015 12: 48
            -7
            Quote: Marxist
            I ask: why was the article deleted immediately after the number of positive ratings equaled the number of negative ones?

            Although you are a Marxist, you have not read the rules of the site. The answer is there. For me, she doesn’t have a place on the site at all ...
      16. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 7 December 2015 11: 40
        +2
        even in a personal account, mentions of the article and comments were deleted :)
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      18. twviewer
        twviewer 7 December 2015 14: 03
        +1
        Quote: Marxist
        some moderators started the witch hunt ???

        Your indignation is understandable (I was surprised myself), but I must admit: the article was still posted, discussed, and the fact that it was deleted is bad of course, but not fatal. Understand that you cannot demand more from people than they can give. Everything has its time.
    2. Finches
      Finches 7 December 2015 10: 10
      14
      I think that all significant movements in the republics are coordinated with the Kremlin! I hope the Kremlin knows what it is doing ... In the end, they know better on the ground!

      And since I personally do not like the chosen policy with regard to Ukraine as a whole and with regard to Donbass and Lugansk, in particular, I absolutely do not care who eats whom at the top of the LDNR!

      Here is a purely personal opinion on this matter! Which, however, the more so no one decree! hi
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      2. Penetrator
        Penetrator 7 December 2015 11: 00
        0
        Quote: Finches
        Here is a purely personal opinion on this matter! Which, however, the more so no one decree!

        Oh, get ahead ... But you can’t say better, I support
        1. Marxist
          Marxist 7 December 2015 11: 11
          +4
          And since I personally do not like the selected policy in relation to Ukraine as a whole

          Quote from the message of the president:

          Russia not only supported Ukraine and other fraternal republics of the former USSR in their quest for sovereignty, but also greatly contributed to this process at the turn of the 1990's. Since then, nothing has changed in our position.
          Russia is making, has already made a huge contribution to supporting Ukraine. Here I will say again that our banks have already invested about $ 25 billion in Ukraine. The Russian Ministry of Finance issued a loan last year - another three billion. Gazprom provided loans to the Ukrainian economy for another 5,5 billion, even with a discount that no one had promised, for 4,5 billion dollars. Calculate how much this all together will be. This is 32,5 - 33,5 billion dollars in recent years alone.
          1. AUL
            AUL 7 December 2015 11: 40
            11
            Regardless of the attitude to the article (personally mine, for example - positive), deleting an article that caused such a wide response from site visitors is a shame! Are the times of enthusiastic unanimity and universal approval returned?
          2. murking
            murking 7 December 2015 11: 43
            0
            Russia does not have the tools that the Western bloc has, control over the ellites of different countries, full control of the information field, banks also give loans for a reason, for profit, we had no choice with gas because of the pipe, and about 90 it's just Putin pretends to be kind (hides his intentions), while because of the Communists Russia was humiliated and could only agree to any actions, since it was full control of the West (even with grub there were problems and the West sent us humanitarian aid)
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      3. lelikas
        lelikas 7 December 2015 11: 17
        +5
        Quote: Finches
        I think that all significant movements in the republics are coordinated with the Kremlin! I hope the Kremlin knows what it is doing ... In the end, they know better on the ground!

        Oh I doubt I am singing about it. As it all began with the redistribution of power, it continues.
        1. Finches
          Finches 7 December 2015 11: 27
          +6
          I don’t think so! The internal political squabble is certainly present, but only in one thing - who outdo each other in a more devoted devotion to the Kremlin! They have already crossed the Rubicon and the Kremlin is their only defense. Otherwise, the khan will come to all of them there - the Ukrainian junta will not understand!
      4. Manul
        Manul 7 December 2015 11: 43
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        And since I personally do not like the chosen policy with regard to Ukraine as a whole and with regard to Donbass and Lugansk, in particular, I absolutely do not care who eats whom at the top of the LDNR!

        I do not quite agree with you, because Roman probably knows what he is writing about. That is, either people who came to power turn into dragons, or something more terrible is outlined there. They share with us experiences and suspicions that everything is very unclean there (although where is it purely in the ruling circles, is it?). But I put it to you with great pleasure, because someone finally commented on the article, and not again moaning crying about severe censorship on the site lol
        1. Finches
          Finches 7 December 2015 11: 58
          +3
          Thank you! hi
          There is not enough information for a correct understanding about the movement in the upper republics, but I still think that the game is still being conducted according to the rules of the Kremlin and all movements are carried out within the framework set by Moscow and not by Kiev or a third party ... let's say interested oligarchs!

          Regarding censorship, I jokingly participated below!
    3. Mik13
      Mik13 7 December 2015 11: 53
      +3
      Quote: Good Me
      Was there an election?

      The general elections in the Donetsk People's Republic took place on November 2 of the 2014 of the year. In the People’s Council and the head of the republic.
      Even Wikipedia knows.

      Quote: Good Me
      We (I certainly) missed something?

      It happens I sympathize.

      Quote: Good Me
      As far as is known, in the Donbass as a whole, and the DPR in particular, only a referendum and elections of the heads of republics were held. And the elections to local governments were canceled (postponed) in order to bring them into the framework of the Minsk format.

      Wrong to know. Elections of the head of the republic and elections to the people's council.

      Quote: Good Me
      Obviously the author "floats" in a real political situation, operating on fictional events ...

      The author of the commentary has already "sailed". wassat
    4. 222222
      222222 7 December 2015 12: 09
      +4
      Once the Classic said: "CAPITALISM, my friend" hi
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    1. NordUral
      NordUral 7 December 2015 10: 16
      44
      Not only the article has been deleted, but also comments on it. Mine for sure. I was wondering how my opinion on this article coincides with the opinion of the VO people, periodically looked at the rating of my comment (generally supporting the article, my impression of the message is negative). But did not see today. It is a shame to extinct our views and judgments, from this the country is better, certainly, will not. And it’s a shame that the moderators of VO are engaged in observance.
      1. Finches
        Finches 7 December 2015 10: 19
        23
        The more democratic the country, the tougher political censorship! laughing
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 7 December 2015 10: 38
          13
          Not censorship, but licking, I think. And there is no democracy anywhere, especially in the luminosity of democracy - the SGA.
          1. Finches
            Finches 7 December 2015 10: 54
            +5
            "Western democracy" is a political scam hatched in the industrialized states so that a small handful of capitalists civilized the rest of society in their own personal interests under the guise of supposedly universal values, mixing Robespierre's: "Freedom! Equality and brotherhood!" with Proudhonovsky "From each according to his ability, to each according to his work"!
      2. murking
        murking 7 December 2015 11: 11
        -6
        This is all non-objective, a lot of Ukrainians voted, on copy-paste on Facebook it can be seen, plus a lot of Girkindomuridovites, Natsiks, commies, you need to remove the overall rating for comments or the site will slide into the echo of Moscow and normal people will leave here.
  3. sober
    sober 7 December 2015 10: 10
    +4
    yeah. all rush to power, but what’s the point? why the hell is money if you don’t know when the trunk will be brought to you?
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 7 December 2015 10: 10
    +8
    So far we can only observe what will be built in the DPR. Donetsk People's Republic or Donetsk branch MMM. Or an analogue of warehouses on Shchors in Rostov. God forbid, of course.


    Unclear things are happening in the leadership of the DNI and LC ... it is difficult to analyze anything in the future.
    We'll have to wait for further developments.
    1. tomket
      tomket 7 December 2015 10: 56
      +6
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Unclear things are happening in the leadership of the DNI and LC ... it is difficult to analyze anything in the future.

      HPP in action.
      1. AUL
        AUL 7 December 2015 11: 49
        +5
        Why is it incomprehensible? In troubled waters, fish are caught. During the time of troubles, the best people die in the trenches, and in the meantime, every swine creeps into power, profit and dominate! So there is a squabble for power.
  5. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 7 December 2015 10: 10
    +2
    In general, my assumptions on the development of the situations of Crimea / LDNR find their confirmation. Someone wanted a piece, but also some peace of mind; someone wanted a piece fatter and decided to take a chance.
    On the whole, something else is of interest now. So the border began to blaze again as expected (people need to be distracted, and while they shoot not coldly. Of course, cynicism, but then please forgive me), but in what scenario is this map?
  6. Cananecat
    Cananecat 7 December 2015 10: 11
    11
    Thank you Roman. From the first humanitarian aid on behalf of the readers of "VO" I trust the information coming from you. You read and think that all thoughts about what is happening in the Donbass, except for a protracted "pi ...." It's a shame.
    1. Manul
      Manul 7 December 2015 11: 47
      +2
      Quote: Canecat
      Thank you Roman. From the first humanitarian aid on behalf of the readers of "VO" I trust the information coming from you. You read and think that all thoughts about what is happening in the Donbass, except for a protracted "pi ...." It's a shame.

      Thank you for the good comment, which unfortunately is not very appreciated. Plus.
  7. Slavs
    Slavs 7 December 2015 10: 12
    14
    It’s very bitter to watch what is happening in New Russia ... Was it really all in vain? ...
    1. Bluesman
      Bluesman 7 December 2015 10: 24
      10
      Quote: Slavs
      It’s very bitter to watch what is happening in New Russia ...

      you can find out - what did you expect? Is there a new type of homo sapiens brought out there? The same vices as the other seven billion. Any passionarity comes to naught, the routine begins with bickering, theft and so on. If you want positive things about the DPR / LPR, read and listen to Prilepin. He's all good.
      1. Slavs
        Slavs 7 December 2015 12: 17
        +1
        Quote: Bluesman
        You can find out - what did you expect?

        I expected that faith in people who had gone through the crucible of war would be justified, but alas ... As always, the very thing that never drowns ... Probably the most difficult test with copper pipes ...
    2. Good me
      Good me 7 December 2015 11: 31
      +3
      Quote: Slavs
      It’s very bitter to watch what is happening in New Russia ... Was it really all in vain? ...


      Calmly stop , without "nuns" yes

      Everything in the DPR-LPR will be the way. It is only necessary to develop a unified state approach to what we want to see in the Donbass and in Ukraine as a whole, since they declared its territorial integrity, and more decisively, consistently, realize their intentions ...
      1. Slavs
        Slavs 7 December 2015 12: 46
        +2
        Yes, there is not much "nuns" ... Tendencies do not add bad joy ... But you reassured me in a very diplomatic language) I trust the information from the Banshee, but I myself did not see anything from the inside, so the opinion is based on available sources ... And bad impressions turn out ... I would not want so many lives to be laid for the sake of someone filling their pockets, seizing the moment ...
    3. lis-ik
      lis-ik 7 December 2015 15: 28
      +2
      And what did you actually expect? Truly a people's republic, this does not happen! The very nature of man is against this, and the environment, I am silent about Ukraine in general, but next to Russia with oligarchic capitalism. In such a neighborhood, it is necessary to move to the moon so that people would decide something.
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  8. Teberii
    Teberii 7 December 2015 10: 15
    +8
    You read the article and you start to think that this is not the People’s Council, but the Convention of the Republic of the Great French Revolution. And Robespierre lacks only Gelyatina, and there are enemies.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 7 December 2015 10: 44
      +4
      Quote: Teberii
      e only G is enoughеehяmuds

      You do not have enough dictionary / spelling /. There would be no comment if the word in question was "quoted".
  9. raid14
    raid14 7 December 2015 10: 16
    14
    "Power is good, to whom it has its fill"!
    Instead of everyone working together for the good of the republic, the authorities are dividing portfolios and removing those who are "objectionable." You could say this is "undercover mouse fuss" in the struggle for the "feeding trough".
    1. tol16
      tol16 7 December 2015 11: 29
      +3
      It's hard to work for the good of the WHOLE Republic, but it's easy to convince yourself that "for the people" he did everything he could, it's time to think about himself, the popularly elected
  10. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 7 December 2015 10: 17
    +6
    Ganges, your waters are muddy!
  11. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 7 December 2015 10: 23
    +3
    I have long ceased to understand what is happening there, and I am waiting for something intelligible from the local authorities. Perhaps this is a division of power, money ... Perhaps an attempt to stop the war ... Maybe something else. I’m just waiting where I’ll endure, in order to more or less sort it out.
  12. veksha50
    veksha50 7 December 2015 10: 24
    15
    "What's next? Then what?"...

    And then - collapse and collapse ... Peck me, do not peck - it will not affect the outcome of a real case ...

    It all started beautifully ... People's republics ...

    And then the blood went and ... and, as is always the case in war, especially civilian - dirt ...

    For the most part, by dirt I mean a struggle for the power of some and a struggle for the material well-being of others, while still others fight and die ...

    It turns out that nothing new has been invented in this world ...

    More recently, I have been tormented and annoyed by such almost redneck thoughts: does the content of the humanitarian convoys sent by Russia reach specifically the people who need them, and for free ???

    PS But in general it’s annoying when the next surge of slop about LDNR occurs ... And even more annoying when you think about it - does this LDNR exist as such ???

    I apologize for cynicism, but so, expressed my thoughts ...
    1. Good me
      Good me 7 December 2015 10: 43
      +4
      Quote: veksha50
      PS But in general it is annoying when the next surge of slop in relation to LDN occurs ...

      I must admit, POMOI, "DPR cooking", but they are involved in the ingredients exported by different poles of influence from us.

      Precisely from us, since it is obvious that a unified state policy in relations with the LPNR, alas, has not been worked out, and all processes are at the mercy of several "factions", according to their own understanding of the end result of the armed struggle of the republics.
      As a result of this misunderstanding, and the lack of a common goal, a political struggle taking such forms.

      And it is not surprising that articles from lobbyists of various factions will appear again and again, depending on who gets the upper hand ...
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 7 December 2015 10: 51
        +7
        Quote: Good Me
        it is obvious that the unified policy of the state in relations with LDNR, alas, has not been worked out,



        This is precisely what I did not begin to point out as the main reason, so as not to pick up the minuses, like a flea dog ... Although I already grab it, I still remain in my opinion: Russia will not take control of the process taking place in the Donbass, it expects collapse ... collapse in the understanding that the original goal is to become popular republics-already leveled, and then go and minus ....

        And the best indicator of the negativity of the moment is the joy on the Ukrainian websites and the media of what is happening in the LDNR ...
        1. Good me
          Good me 7 December 2015 11: 15
          +5
          Quote: veksha50
          The collapse in the understanding that the original goal - to become people's republics - has already been leveled, and then it will go to minus ....

          And the best indicator of the negativity of the moment is the joy on the Ukrainian websites and the media of what is happening in the LDNR ...


          "Narodnye" does not mean socialist or simply just ... It would be naive to believe that having behind us an undoubtedly friendly Russia, but ruled by oligarchs, the Donetsk and Luhansk people were seriously counting on building something like that.
          This is a utopia, from which we must abstract ourselves and move on to the understanding that the main goal is to free the republics from the occupation of the fascist junta, with its subsequent overthrow.

          To the general satisfaction of Russia and Ukraine yes ...
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 7 December 2015 11: 35
            +1
            Quote: Good Me
            To the general satisfaction of Russia and Ukraine

            Hi, you can’t see the only flag near the nickname .. of whose will you be ..? laughing
            1. Good me
              Good me 7 December 2015 11: 38
              +1
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              Hi, you can’t see the only flag near the nickname .. of whose will you be ..?

              Tainos Agentos yes wink lol

              But seriously, from OUR...
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 7 December 2015 11: 42
                +1
                Quote: Good Me
                from OUR.

                Well, if so, then the shooting will have to be postponed ... laughing
          2. veksha50
            veksha50 7 December 2015 11: 41
            +3
            Quote: Good Me
            "People's" does not mean socialist or simply just ..



            We will not speak specifically about socialism or, moreover, communism ...

            But initially, when this movement began, and even more so - military operations, many of the goals that were proclaimed were close to achieving social equality ...

            I agree that "people's" is not necessarily "socialist" ... But it was understood that these republics and the authorities in them would be created and serve for the good of the people...
            And this thesis, hastily and openly expressed, frightened absolutely everyone: both the oligarchs and the choppers from power in Ukraine, and in Russia ...

            Therefore, all sorts of curtsies went towards emasculating the original ideas ... And time goes on ...

            As a result: on the fronts on the other side, the rulers of Ukraine are slowly trying to destroy the Natsiks, who can get their hands on their power, and on the other hand, they die, the fighters leave for the initial idea of ​​creating New Russia ... You see that the very word "Novorossiy" already somehow it began to be used occasionally ...
            1. Good me
              Good me 7 December 2015 12: 03
              +3
              Quote: veksha50
              But it was understood that these republics and power in them would be created and serve for the benefit of the people ...


              Read ATTENTIVELY my comment:

              Quote: Good I
              "Narodnye" does not mean socialist or simply just ... It would be naive to believe that having behind us an undoubtedly friendly Russia, but ruled by oligarchs, the Donetsk and Luhansk people were seriously counting on building something like that.
              This is a utopia, from which we must abstract ourselves and move on to the understanding that the main goal is to free the republics from the occupation of the fascist junta, with its subsequent overthrow.


              In it, as I could, I reflected the situation in which the fighting Donbass CANNOT rely on building a form of society and statehood different from ours, Russian ...

              Try to spit against the wind. Especially if the North wind ...
              1. veksha50
                veksha50 7 December 2015 14: 38
                +3
                Quote: Good Me
                Try to spit against the wind.


                I am not Poroshenko and not Yatsenyuk ... to my great joy ...

                But seriously, it was precisely these initial "spitting against the wind", that is, calls to the nationality, that frightened the so-called "elite" of the northern side ... That's the whole point ...

                Russia would like Novorossia to form (as one of the best options - an independent country-republic, albeit a small but friendly one), and would help it as soon as they could ...

                But, as it seems to me, these people who are fighting and dying there (some for the idea, some for some other reason) are now afraid from both sides ...

                They are different now, different from us, the bulk ... And it will no longer be possible to drive them into the herd ... Hence all the troubles of this unrecognized republic (or - republics) ...

                Cynically speaking, recently such a thought has crept in that the sluggish-ongoing schizophrenia that is going on there is beneficial for both Poroshenko and Putin ...

                But it is, my speculation of a kitchen analyst ...

                And these thoughts are also taken from what you see and hear, what "our" boyars in the Duma are doing ... What to want from a baby - New Russia?
                1. Good me
                  Good me 7 December 2015 15: 00
                  0
                  Quote: veksha50
                  But seriously, it was precisely these initial "spitting against the wind", that is, calls to the nationality, that frightened the so-called "elite" of the northern side ... That's the whole point ...

                  Russia would like Novorossia to form (as one of the best options - an independent country-republic, albeit a small but friendly one), and would help it as soon as they could ...


                  You- Romantic ... This is not a reproach. Stay like that, that's good.

                  But reality is more cynical and hostile.
      2. Manul
        Manul 7 December 2015 11: 53
        +3
        Quote: Good Me
        , and all processes are at the mercy of several "factions"

        This is the legacy of the 90s and the collapse of the USSR. Now everything will always be so.
    2. Manul
      Manul 7 December 2015 11: 51
      +2
      Quote: veksha50
      More recently, I have been tormented and annoyed by such almost redneck thoughts: does the content of the humanitarian convoys sent by Russia reach specifically the people who need them, and for free ??

      And me. Remember how in the premises of the Donetsk stadium found huge stocks of products. And what - they were distributed free of charge to all those in need? Or let them into the distribution network, and the first sonorous streams flowed into your pockets?
      1. Good me
        Good me 7 December 2015 12: 09
        0
        Quote: Manul
        And me. Remember how at the Donetsk stadium they found huge stocks of products. And what - they were distributed free of charge to all those in need? Or let them into the distribution network, and the first sonorous streams flowed into your pockets?


        To be honest, I don't know about this fact, but assuming that where the stadium is, there is Akhmetov (the owner of FC Shakhtar and the Donbass Arena stadium), one might think that his food ...
        Indeed, taking a "flexible-snake-like" position with respect to the DPR, this tempting oligarch is engaged in charity work in Donbass.
        1. Manul
          Manul 7 December 2015 12: 20
          +3
          Quote: Good Me
          To be honest, I don't know about this fact, but assuming that where the stadium is, there is Akhmetov (the owner of FC Shakhtar and the Donbass Arena stadium), one might think that his food ...
          Indeed, taking a "flexible-snake-like" position with respect to the DPR, this tempting oligarch is engaged in charity work in Donbass.

          I tried to search for a video about this - I just found that the Donbass Arena has become a humanitarian center. And then there was the hungry, frozen Donetsk, the first humcon convoys, and the huge spaces that the militias had packed to the eyeballs. Those who feed the people control it. Oh, how muddy everything is there.
          1. Good me
            Good me 7 December 2015 12: 32
            +1
            Quote: Manul
            I tried to search for a video about this - I just found that the Donbass Arena has become a humanitarian center.


            Well then for sure yes , "Akhmetov's ears" stick out. For, the DNRites are very sensitive to the property of Renat Leonidovich ...

            From the same "cage", and the failed capture of Mariupol that year, with the "good" of the oligarch, and the constant fuss with Avdeevka, hanging over Donetsk, but at the same time having a "zest" in the form of coke production for the Akhmet Pasha factories. ..
    3. I am Russian
      I am Russian 7 December 2015 18: 30
      +1
      More recently, I have been tormented and annoyed by such almost redneck thoughts: does the content of the humanitarian convoys sent by Russia reach specifically the people who need them, and for free ???

      In LPR - humanitarian aid "disappears miraculously". And it appears on the shelves and windows of shops and supermarkets.
      At the moment, gasoline is in short supply, the cost is about 55 p.; pensions to pensioners partially paid, delay of 2 weeks.

      And you speak for free.
  13. Belarus
    Belarus 7 December 2015 10: 24
    15
    Of course, all this was very sad to read. In fact, everything turned out as always in that who fought for the people became not very necessary. After reading and looking at many articles and talk shows with Ukrainian "political scientists" who squeal with delight telling what a mess is going on I used to think that there is no ground for belief in what these political scientists are saying, but after watching the video I realized one thing: we are only shown whatwhat they want to show (however, as elsewhere).Okay, if this happened somewhere in another country, but it takes place in LDNR, where the people drank so much grief that the whole world suffices. And based on the logic of everything that happened (the war and its consequences), the management team should not be doing what .
    It is sad to read all this and it hurts, it hurts because in order to change something it is not known what is needed.
    1. Bluesman
      Bluesman 7 December 2015 10: 27
      +2
      Quote: Belarus
      Of course, all this was very sad to read.

      Everything is expected.
  14. moskowit
    moskowit 7 December 2015 10: 24
    14
    "The revolution devours its children" ... Romantics and ascetics are replaced by pragmatists and swindlers. It always has been and always will be.
  15. Lysik001
    Lysik001 7 December 2015 10: 28
    12
    Being interested in the situation in Donetsk and due to the lack of information in Russia, I signed up for sites like Novorossiya, Donetsk News, etc. And these sites went into the general feed of my news along with our publications. I often leave comments on certain articles. And I do not pay attention to where I write them. But in vain .Very quickly drew attention to the fact that as soon as I write any criticism of GDP on our sites everything is without problems and on the sites of New Russia, etc., these comments simply do not publish. Those. you click on the send your comment button and it just doesn’t appear on the general line. To say that I was unpleasant ... is to say nothing. Maybe we in Russia can hardly see what is happening there, but it seems like the most severe censorship. And this despite the fact that I am Russian and seem to be their ally. Of course, I immediately unsubscribed from all these sites. I just wanted people to know about these facts.
  16. Mihail55
    Mihail55 7 December 2015 10: 29
    10
    1. It is very disappointing for the people living in Donbas. Again the same thieves ... I remember the initial stages of the Russian Spring - and spells - here the MINERS will come out! But, practically, they did not come out! Surely, they knew more about the ins and outs of these "promoted"
    2. A little flood, really, a pity for the very fact of DELETING yesterday's current article, without any notification, of course, with the removal of all comments (again without warning)
  17. Alexus
    Alexus 7 December 2015 10: 31
    +3
    “Following the example of Saturn, the revolution devours its children” (fr. “A l'exemple de Saturne, la révolution dévore ses enfants” - words, according to one version, said before the execution by the famous figure of the French Revolution Georges Jacques Danton (1759-1794 ). Alas, they are fair at all times.
  18. Kachesgm
    Kachesgm 7 December 2015 10: 34
    0
    My wife has a girlfriend from Donetsk. The apartment of her neighbors was smashed by a shell. In St. Petersburg, she has now organized a small production of kitchens to order. Workers also work there from Donetsk ... A week ago it turned out that the production was actively sending money to the atom. As a result, everyone quarreled to the nines. It is noteworthy that the Donetsk people began to help Kiev guys from hopelessness ...
    1. Good me
      Good me 7 December 2015 10: 57
      +4
      Quote: KachesGM
      It is noteworthy that the Donetsk people began to help the Kiev guys from hopelessness ...


      Who told you about the "hopelessness"? My sources in the DPR, with varying degrees of claims to the position of the leadership of the Russian Federation, are much more optimistic and belligerent towards the newcomers from the Sunset. And people drank dashing in full, and now they continue to sip ...

      Quote: KachesGM
      A week ago it turned out that production was actively sending money to the atom. As a result, everyone quarreled to the nines.



      And the result of this "to smithereens"?

      The appeal to the prosecutor's office was, with a request to investigate the fact, possibly financing the "Right Sector" and other fascist-radical battalions recognized in the Russian Federation as extreme and illegal ???
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  21. Vladimir
    Vladimir 7 December 2015 10: 35
    0
    Quote: sober
    yeah. all rush to power, but what’s the point? why the hell is money if you don’t know when the trunk will be brought to you?


    Don’t tell me, it’s for whom and how lucky, who is faster and bolder will be riding a horse.
  22. victorrat
    victorrat 7 December 2015 10: 35
    +1
    Strange article, especially considering the previous one. It would be nice if a local comrade came and confirmed or refuted what was written here.
    There are thieves, of course, everywhere, especially among those who crawled out in the wake of the revolution. But I don’t believe this article.
  23. biserino
    biserino 7 December 2015 10: 37
    +2
    The LDNR chiefs better take care of repelling the upcoming winter offensive of the Ukrainian army, rather than looking for an "enemy party ticket."
  24. pts-m
    pts-m 7 December 2015 10: 43
    +1
    everything is as usual. you know better in Donbas. and it’s hard for us to judge everything that’s happening through the news feed and comments that got into “bad” weather conditions. And where was it so that the real participants in what was happening could participate in the management. It was, there is and will be. The history of the Soviet state is an example.
  25. Fing
    Fing 7 December 2015 10: 45
    0
    Video in topic


  26. Mercenary
    Mercenary 7 December 2015 10: 47
    +4
    Disgusting impression from the article. How can the media outlets shit everything, drain the "Russian World" in absentia, don't give a damn about people who risked but specifically helped .... (I bought jeeps, and the author at least once drove along Ukrainian roads that had not been repaired for 25 years and were constantly fired upon? )
  27. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 7 December 2015 11: 00
    +6
    So I don’t understand why they fought? Under the Minsk Agreement, Donbass remains part of Ukraine. Ukrainians destroyed and Russia humanitarian convoys driving materials for restoration. We have nothing to build (schools, kindergartens). What for? Let Ukraine restore. I don’t understand what it was and why it was?
    1. Good me
      Good me 7 December 2015 11: 47
      +2
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      So I don’t understand why they fought? Under the Minsk Agreement, Donbass remains part of Ukraine


      And I can see the war is not over. Its result should be the liquidation of the junta and the transition of ALL of Ukraine to our sphere of influence. Here is the main PRIZE in this war.
      Of course, not everyone in the Donbass is delighted with the prospect of living under the same roof with the killers, but they have no other choice ...

      Life is tough. Here, you want to ride from a mountain, love and carry a sleigh ..
  28. Stinger
    Stinger 7 December 2015 11: 15
    +4
    Who can translate the article into Russian? Who is Ellada Borisovna Shaftner. Yes, the one whose interviews were published (who and where?) In connection with the Purgin-Alexandrov case? Governor of Borneo or Lucia Franzevna Pferd of 12 chairs? How do the showdowns get to the VO website, turning it into a "Crow Slobodka"?
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  30. Chulman
    Chulman 7 December 2015 11: 39
    +2
    Well, that's all and falls into place. And then they shouted the Russian world, the Russian world! Guard! Russians are being killed !!! Yes, the usual division of power! What in that part of hohland, what in this! And nothing more!
  31. Teplohod
    Teplohod 7 December 2015 11: 42
    +3
    The author, with the words "this is their internal affair," climbed into a strange monastery with his charter. Such-and-such, without trial or investigation, were kicked out, and meanwhile, without the same trial and investigation, he called such-and-such. Not convincing.
  32. Neputin
    Neputin 7 December 2015 11: 46
    +5
    This is my commentary on the article "Novorossia - to be or not to be. Foreword" dated September 14, 2015. +1, -4. "What we have been observing throughout the year is the" drain "of the NOVOROSSIYA project. A quick drain was impossible due to the wave of euphoria and patriotic orgasm that gripped many. In order to start draining, it is necessary to tire the layman, make the once acute news routine, show the negative on both sides of the conflict, which was done. In this situation, the rating of the "great Pu .." and his party "Eat Russia" will not suffer as much as they could in the case of an instant drain in 2014. I am sincerely sorry for the decent, honest, but simple-minded people who fell for the "patriotic orgasm" and, as a result, wasted their health or life in the struggle for unknown reasons. It is very bitter and disgusting .... So you are a little late with the preface. It's time to write an afterword ... "
    With a certain gloating joy, I state that I was and remain right. And there will be more and more such articles (certainly custom-made). They whip up negativity so that the majority of the population of Russia would say: "Come on ..." Zadolbali. Thieves are everywhere. Let them figure it out. "We are already close to such a situation. It's a pity ...
    1. Riv
      Riv 7 December 2015 12: 17
      -1
      Putinslie? Again??? :)))
      1. Neputin
        Neputin 7 December 2015 12: 46
        +1
        Not again, but again. And not people - the inhabitants of the LPR and the "Novorossiya project" as a territory. They will not become Russia for the foreseeable future. We would very much like to hope to achieve "special status" peacefully, without human sacrifice. But unfortunately, except for the Donetsk people, no one can stop these ukroorkov.
  33. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 7 December 2015 12: 05
    +1
    Well this is VO and not Political Oh ... here I sowed the DB certificate at the move. 2 years I can’t restore all the thresholds of the military enlistment office I’ve beaten, they say wait from the archive ... who faced the thread ??
    1. Massik
      Massik 7 December 2015 12: 57
      0
      Move to the part where the service took place, if there is still truth, you are tortured to wait otherwise.
  34. Riv
    Riv 7 December 2015 12: 31
    0
    I did not understand the joke. Is this Hellas actually registered in Zaporozhye? If so, why is she a deputy in Donetsk? As I understand it, the People’s Council is like a parliament. And the parliament, in turn, must be elected. Well, where are her voters? In Zaporozhye? Does she have any citizenship? Purely for reference: only a citizen of the DPR can be elected to the National Assembly.
    And wasn’t that the same Schafftner defending Purgin and Alexandrov with all her might?
    Deprived of the mandate - and rightly so.
    1. ArcanAG
      ArcanAG 7 December 2015 12: 41
      +2
      Join.
      From myself I’ll add that the author’s panic statements - like power rotted because of the resignation of the deputy, they look ridiculous.
      1. Riv
        Riv 7 December 2015 12: 47
        +1
        Isn't it time for the author to go to the basement?
      2. Mik13
        Mik13 7 December 2015 13: 09
        0
        Quote: ArcanAG
        Join.
        From myself I’ll add that the author’s panic statements - like power rotted because of the resignation of the deputy, they look ridiculous.

        The author’s statements are not caused by the resignation of the deputy, but by violations of the procedure for the resignation and the secrecy of its implementation. Why are voters (who voted for her on the list and whose interests she represents) deprived of the opportunity to find out what is happening with their representative?

        With the resignation of Purgin, by the way, it was the same.
        The law of the Republic then did not wipe away, but wiped it off.

        Read:
        http://topwar.ru/81939-perevorot-v-dnr-kogo-stoit-s-etim-pozdravit-chast-1.html
        http://topwar.ru/82035-perevorot-v-donecke-chast-2-gkchp-po-donecki.html
        http://topwar.ru/82148-komu-vygodna-lozh-denisa-pushilina-bespredelu-ili-bezzako
        niyu.html
        http://topwar.ru/82222-deputat-narodnogo-soveta-orlov-podtverdil-otsutstvie-v-dn
        r-zakonnosti.html
        http://topwar.ru/82296-vybory-na-ukraine-chudesa-v-ispolnenii-mi-mayemo-metu.htm
        l
        http://topwar.ru/82545-novorossiya-byt-ili-ne-byt-chto-imeem-v-nalichii.html
        http://topwar.ru/82919-novorossiya-byt-ili-ne-byt-mgb-hlopcy-chi-vy-budete.html
        1. Good me
          Good me 7 December 2015 13: 30
          0
          Quote: Mik13
          The author’s statements are not caused by the resignation of the deputy, but by violations of the procedure for the resignation and the secrecy of its implementation. Why are voters (who voted for her on the list and whose interests she represents) deprived of the opportunity to find out what is happening with their representative?


          I beg you...

          At one time, in the USSR, a coup d'etat was carried out, having deposed N.S. Khrushchev, and putting L.I. Brezhnev ...

          And nothing ... The voters, who "gave a damn about" what was going on at the top, did not actually notice anything, since the "procedure" did not in any way affect their lives for the worse ...

          The resignation, like her ... Hellas ..., somehow already affected the living standards of the Donetsk people, has the social, economic, financial situation worsened?
          1. domokl
            domokl 7 December 2015 14: 26
            +1
            Quote: Good Me
            At one time, in the USSR, a coup d'etat was carried out, having deposed N.S. Khrushchev, and putting L.I. Brezhnev ...

            Strange logic. The same as I periodically read on Ukrainian sites. In response to the question, it’s like, look at yourself ... In such a discussion, it makes no sense to speak with facts. Sending to history as an excuse ... Well, I don’t know .. not seriously, it’s like that ...
          2. Mik13
            Mik13 7 December 2015 14: 29
            +1
            Quote: Good Me
            I beg you...
            At one time, in the USSR, a coup d'etat was carried out, having deposed N.S. Khrushchev, and putting L.I. Brezhnev ...
            And nothing ... The voters, who "gave a damn about" what was going on at the top, did not actually notice anything, since the "procedure" did not in any way affect their lives for the worse ...

            And then the "dophenism" of voters played a role in 1990 - 1991.
            If people agree that somewhere someone will decide for them - sooner or later, the one who decides in the wrong direction comes. So sitting on the perch is not the best way to survive in the long run.


            Quote: Good Me
            The resignation, like her ... Hellas ..., somehow already affected the living standards of the Donetsk people, has the social, economic, financial situation worsened?

            Public - has worsened. If officials allow themselves to break the law in vain - how do they differ from bandits? By posts?

            It turns out just like the classics - keep silent today - prepare yourself tomorrow ...
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    2. Good me
      Good me 7 December 2015 12: 49
      +1
      Quote: Riv
      The People’s Council is like a parliament. And the parliament, in turn, must be elected. Well, where are her voters? In Zaporozhye? Does she have any citizenship? Purely for reference: only a citizen of the DPR can be elected to the National Assembly.


      I cannot agree. If by the term "DPR citizenship" you mean registration in the PASSPORT of UKRAINE, in the Donetsk region, then the well-known punisher "Semyon Semenchenko" and the fighter of the "Tornado" battalion (ex "Shakhtyorsk") Ruslan Onishchenko ("Abelmaz") also have such citizenship ...

      And what about those who arrived in the LPR-DPR from other areas and are fighting in the militia? Are they illegal?

      I think the leadership of the republics is more flexible about citizenship than you ...
      1. domokl
        domokl 7 December 2015 14: 29
        0
        Quote: Good Me
        I think the leadership of the republics is more flexible about citizenship than you ...

        laughing I just remembered the quote about Motorola ... It’s very flexible how they made nobody out of the hero ... But from the footnote it’s clear that it was the registration in the Ukrainian passport that became one of the reasons for what happened
    3. Mik13
      Mik13 7 December 2015 12: 59
      +2
      Quote: Riv
      I did not understand the joke. Is this Hellas actually registered in Zaporozhye? If so, why is she a deputy in Donetsk? As I understand it, the People’s Council is like a parliament. And the parliament, in turn, must be elected. Well, where are her voters? In Zaporozhye?

      In Donesk. Her last name was on the list for which voters voted.

      Quote: Riv
      Does she have any citizenship? Purely for reference: only a citizen of the DPR can be elected to the National Assembly.

      No one in the DPR has citizenship. It did not work out in the DPR with citizenship.

      Quote: Riv
      And wasn’t that the same Schafftner defending Purgin and Alexandrov with all her might?

      That one.

      Quote: Riv
      Deprived of the mandate - and rightly so.

      And why is that?
    4. alicante11
      alicante11 7 December 2015 14: 12
      +2
      Is this Hellas actually registered in Zaporozhye? If so, why is she a deputy in Donetsk?


      Probably because she actively supported the "Russian spring" and participated in the political formation of Novorossiya, and in the "asshole" it is now not quite "comme il faut" considered as kakbe.
      1. domokl
        domokl 7 December 2015 14: 31
        +1
        Quote: alicante11
        Probably because she actively supported the "Russian spring"

        Exactly. By the way, one of the authors of the real flag of New Russia, she is also ... And about the wounds and canthus and burns, that's right .. Combat woman. And the attack, and the fire ..
        1. Riv
          Riv 7 December 2015 16: 32
          0
          Zakharchenko has DNR citizenship in his passport. Where did you get it? It turns out that last year their parliament adopted the corresponding law. It seems to be in August. Here Zakharchenko took advantage of this law.
          But this Hellas for some reason could not. Oh yes! She is a shurov airport ... :(
          1. Mik13
            Mik13 7 December 2015 17: 13
            0
            Quote: Riv
            Zakharchenko has DNR citizenship in his passport. Where did you get it? It turns out that last year their parliament adopted the corresponding law. It seems to be in August. Here Zakharchenko took advantage of this law.
          2. Mik13
            Mik13 7 December 2015 17: 22
            +1
            Quote: Riv
            But this Hellas for some reason could not. Oh yes! She is a shurov airport ... :(

            Quote: Riv
            And wasn’t that the same Schafftner defending Purgin and Alexandrov with all her might?
            Deprived of the mandate - and rightly so.


            Vague doubts torment me ... Do you dislike Lada Schaftner? Or are you just gloating out of love for art?
            1. Riv
              Riv 7 December 2015 17: 57
              0
              Like? Well, what are you ... I, sorry, do not drink so much.
              1. Mik13
                Mik13 7 December 2015 19: 03
                0
                Quote: Mik13
                Quote: Riv
                But this Hellas for some reason could not. Oh yes! She is a shurov airport ... :(

                Quote: Riv
                And wasn’t that the same Schafftner defending Purgin and Alexandrov with all her might?
                Deprived of the mandate - and rightly so.


                Vague doubts torment me ... Do you dislike Lada Schaftner? Or are you just gloating out of love for art?

                Quote: Riv
                Like? Well, what are you ... I, sorry, do not drink so much.

                Some kind of dialogue is not constructive.

                You know who such Shaftner can be easily and easily learned even from Kamchatka using Yandex, spending a maximum of 30 minutes on it.

                At present, I am not familiar with any information that in any way compromises her activities or herself. Therefore, I do not understand what caused the hostility so diligently demonstrated by you.

                You, of course, have every right not to share with the surrounding causes of such ambiguous behavior - but in this case you should understand that this will cause completely unambiguous conclusions.
                1. Riv
                  Riv 7 December 2015 19: 42
                  0
                  In fact, I personally know a little more about her than Yandex. However, I have a habit of noting significant surnames in my memory (and a deputy is undoubtedly a significant figure) and associating them with social phenomena. And this same Hellas I was associated just with Alexandrov. With this in mind, data on the network is not difficult to find. But between her and the Donetsk airport, I have no associations. In general, it is not associated with something useful.

                  In general, if the law in the DPR, according to her own words, is wiped, then why does Zakharchenko have citizenship of the republic, but she does not? Who then does the law? If arbitrariness is around, then why isn’t she stuffed into the basement with the mandate? Yes, why there ... A bullet in the forehead and all things. No man - no problem. Why is she indignant, and not lying in the morgue, if the Supreme Council is the most mafia? I believe you have no answers to these questions ...

                  What did I forget? Oh yes! Your definitive conclusions are ankle-deep for me.
                  1. Mik13
                    Mik13 7 December 2015 20: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Riv
                    In fact, I personally know a little more about her than Yandex.
                    Yes, it is visible.

                    Quote: Riv
                    this same Hellas I was associated with was just Alexandrov.
                    So what? You do not know anything about Aleksandrov.

                    Quote: Riv
                    In general, if the law in the DPR, according to her own words, is wiped, then why does Zakharchenko have citizenship of the republic, but she does not?

                    There is no law on citizenship in the DPR.

                    Quote: Riv
                    If arbitrariness is around, then why isn’t she stuffed into the basement with the mandate? Why are there ... A bullet in the forehead and all things. No man - no problem.

                    Purgin was pushed in September. Together with the mandate for 4 of the day. and with his wife. And Son Alexandrov, too, was put instead of his father - but not as hostages, as some might have thought, but protected from saboteurs.

                    Quote: Riv
                    Why is she indignant and not lying in the morgue, if the Supreme Council is the most mafia? I believe you have no answers to these questions ...
                    And who said that the National Assembly is a mafia? On the contrary - instead of parliament they make a pocket talking room for Pushilin. And at the same time they put on the laws ...

                    Quote: Riv
                    What did I forget? Oh yes! Your definitive conclusions are ankle-deep for me.

                    You know, your behavior is a blatant propaganda of non-traditional sexual orientation. They wrote filth for the eyes about a worthy person, trying to be rude ...

                    Well, at least a site for an adult audience.
                    1. Riv
                      Riv 7 December 2015 22: 45
                      -1
                      Yes, you, as I look, from Ukraine ... People there, they say, pinned down on this matter. Well, that is, with a gay orientation. It seems like they are not allowed in Europe because of this. Truth is beaten, or lie? And it seems like even at the border they check this orientation ...

                      Specifically, the article has nothing more to say? Well, surely! .. I already explained her delusional character. Normal people understood. You do not know. Even in your last post, you stupidly contradict the logic: well, why make a pocket-sized talking room out of the People’s Assembly, if, in the author’s opinion, it is a pocket-sized talking room. Pushilin wished - and the mandate was taken from Hellas. Did they vote for it there? Voted. Well, why do something else? Everything has already been done. And only the last honest one was just kicked out there.

                      Did you get the joke? That is, either in the National Assembly all the bastards, in which little is believed, or ... the last heroine of the Russian spring was kicked out in the cold for nothing. And you just really believe in it, because none of the deputies was indignant.

                      And you know what I regret? Only that Aleksandrov with all his gang was not caulked into concrete and did not allow concrete to harden.
                      1. Riv
                        Riv 7 December 2015 23: 25
                        0
                        Although ... There is some benefit from you. I looked at the DNR normative legal acts at my leisure. I also found the definition of a citizen, by the way. But the main thing: all of their provisions are copied from the legislation of the Russian Federation.
                        You can attach the Donbass at least tomorrow, unless of course pre-weed dill.
                      2. Mik13
                        Mik13 8 December 2015 00: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Riv
                        Yes, you, as I look, from Ukraine ... People there, they say, pinned down on this matter. Well, that is, with a gay orientation. It seems like they are not allowed in Europe because of this. Truth is beaten, or lie? And it seems like even at the border they check this orientation ...

                        Want to talk about it? Go to the psychoanalyst ...

                        Quote: Riv
                        Specifically, the article has nothing more to say? Well, I would! .. I already explained her delusional character.
                        Doubtful decency comments under the article do you consider an explanation? In vain.

                        Quote: Riv
                        Why make a pocket-sized talking room from the People’s Assembly, if, in the author’s opinion, it’s what it is? A pocket talking room.
                        Now yes.

                        Quote: Riv
                        Pushilin wished - and the mandate was taken from Hellas. Did they vote for it there? Voted. Well, why do something else? Everything has already been done. And only the last honest one was just kicked out there.
                        In the sense of? Gross violations of the procedure, as I understand it, do not bother you?

                        Quote: Riv
                        either all the scum in the National Assembly, which is hard to believe in, or ... the last heroine of the Russian spring was kicked out in the cold for nothing. And you just really believe in it, because none of the deputies was indignant.
                        Why so scum right away? It's just that not everyone is ready to go to the basement for some principles. So they are silent. And you can believe in anything. Though a pasta monster. The surrounding reality will not change from this.

                        Quote: Riv
                        And you know what I regret? Only that Aleksandrov with all his gang was not caulked into concrete and did not allow concrete to harden.

                        Yes? And why did Alexandrov outrage you? Is something associated again? Maybe you still somehow curb this turbulent process?
                      3. Riv
                        Riv 8 December 2015 05: 08
                        0
                        Obviously, you, as a Ukrainian of a traditional orientation, were not indignant at the coal trade with the same Ukraine. Anyway. Practice shows that it is generally useless to explain something like that. Only the basement ... Only hardcore ...
                      4. Mik13
                        Mik13 8 December 2015 12: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Riv
                        Obviously, you, as a Ukrainian of a traditional orientation, were not indignant at the coal trade with the same Ukraine. Anyway. Practice shows that it is generally useless to explain something like that. Only the basement ... Only hardcore ...

                        Yes, you haven’t matured ...
                        What does coal have to do with Schaftner or Aleksandrov?
                        As for basement fantasies ... my advice is that you associate too much. It is harmful in such quantities. The brain begins to suffer from associative exhaustion.
                        So you can get to haloperidol ...
  • vovan089
    vovan089 7 December 2015 12: 57
    0
    To carry out a new "cleansing" it is time for another rogue of the Girkin-rifle type to appear.
  • MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 7 December 2015 13: 00
    +1
    Many comments leave a heavy impression. I read and think how simple it is to cheat, slander and pervert ?!
    Why do many writers here often repeat the past tense: began, was, planned, and the like? Indeed, on the contrary, everything is just beginning. Moscow was not built right away, but look what it has become! Yes, not everything is going smoothly. But Russians always do. Until the thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself. And then hold on ... Many and many must go through the crucible of purification. But they will always remain and remain dissatisfied: dissatisfied with themselves, dissatisfied with the authorities, dissatisfied, dissatisfied, dissatisfied ... But put those dissatisfied in power and will not do anything sensible either. Because language p.zdet, do not toss the bags!
  • anfil
    anfil 7 December 2015 13: 08
    0
    Allegedly, three passports for different surnames were withdrawn from Shaftner’s house - and thus, according to the version of the People’s Council, she is a saboteur. It is difficult to say what right the National Assembly assigned itself to the investigative functions. For all the movements did not come from the MGB of the DPR, but from the National Assembly.


    And if you really found it, the question arises why a person needs several passports for different surnames, which means some passports are fake.
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 7 December 2015 13: 19
      +2
      Quote: anfil
      And if you really found it, the question arises why a person needs several passports for different surnames, which means some passports are fake.


      And if you really found it, then those who can do the investigation. The Ministry of Internal Affairs, for example, or the MGB. Then they must submit the materials to the National Assembly, and then the parliamentary commission is going to make decisions based on the results of studying the materials of the investigation or investigation.

      An investigation in parliament is the same as if the deputies, being protected from their own unlimited competence, rushed to treat Pushilina with honestly earned hemorrhoids in the service of the Motherland right in the session hall with improvised means.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 7 December 2015 13: 14
    +2
    The material is like an internal disassembly from one person. In order to perceive the plot, you need to listen to the other side as well! In general, speaking to Russia, it is important that the DPR, LPR moved in the right direction and Kiev did not interfere with the freewheeling!
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 7 December 2015 13: 29
      +3
      Quote: dchegrinec
      The material is like an internal disassembly from one person. To perceive the plot, you need to listen to the other side!

      And the other side did not want to discuss. Even the journalists were kicked out when the issue was discussed.
      I wonder why?

      Without a doubt, this is because they did such a good and right thing, so legal and fair, that modesty woke up in them and they decided not to tell anyone about it. Politicians always do this. As if they made a mistake somewhere or stole something, they immediately arrange a press conference and begin to repent. And where something rational-kind-eternal muddied-so immediately secreted. Holy people ...
      1. domokl
        domokl 7 December 2015 14: 34
        +2
        Quote: Mik13
        And the other side did not want to discuss. Even the journalists were kicked out when the issue was discussed.
        I wonder why?

        Exactly. Even those records that are made underground ... I’m not afraid to say at least the threat of a basement
  • cap
    cap 7 December 2015 13: 33
    0
    Quote: AUL
    Why is it incomprehensible? In troubled waters, fish are caught. During the time of troubles, the best people die in the trenches, and in the meantime, every swine creeps into power, profit and dominate! So there is a squabble for power.

    Look back at a very recent story and you can draw a sad conclusion.
    The revolution born of an angel turns into a devil who eats his parents.
    It seems in nature it is practiced by spiders and some "reptiles" hi .
  • Victor N
    Victor N 7 December 2015 13: 36
    0
    Political life in the DPR takes place somewhere in a space that is closed to publicity. The publicity of politicians is very low. They received an advance from voters, but there will be demand from them.
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem 7 December 2015 14: 49
      +2
      And who will ask? Mr. Surkov?
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 7 December 2015 13: 42
    0
    Of course, the interesting information in the article is presented.
    Well, it’s up to the people of Donbass to live under those who stand above them.
    So far, the truth is not so much living as surviving.
    Maybe that's why they are not interested in who is above them.
    Well, then we'll see ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 December 2015 14: 36
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      So far, the truth is not so much living as surviving.

      repeat Well, I don’t know ... Already how many materials were there from Gromovoy. You can not even read. Even today .. Killed a woman .. And then another holiday.
      It seems that the Roman-Bread and circuses!, There are at a premium.
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    1. domokl
      domokl 7 December 2015 14: 38
      +2
      sad That's why there is no ... As well as many others who risked their skin on the front end ... Not comfortable people .. Straight as an aspen stake .. Not tolerant
  • dr. sem
    dr. sem 7 December 2015 14: 33
    +3
    The "brain" of the LDNR anti (type) junta is useless ... In fact, the design of the Parasitic (on the body of the Russian Federation, of course) "neoplasm" of the "black hole" type (humanitarian aid, military trade, speculation ...) is ending. It looks like the Novorossiya project has been turned into a Bablossossiya-Blood Russia project (from the Russian Federation, of course), and absolutely innocent civilians are suffering, whom the Kremlin's political technologists are gradually turning into a kind of fetish ("we will help our badly!").
    I completely agree with the author.
  • ma_shlomha
    ma_shlomha 7 December 2015 14: 46
    0
    Something recalled the predecessor of the anthem of the USSR:

    No one will give us deliverance:
    Neither God, nor king, nor hero -
    We will achieve liberation
    With his own hand.
    To overthrow oppression with a skilled hand,
    To win back your good, -
    Blow the hearth and forge boldly
    While the iron is hot!

    Pretty blood suck vampires
    Prison, tax, poverty!
    You have all the power, all the benefits of the world,
    And our right - the sound is empty!
    We will build life differently -
    And here is our battle slogan:
    All power to the working people!
    A parasite all down!

    You are despicable in your wealth
    Coal and became kings!
    You are your thrones, parasites,
    On our backs erected.
    Factories, factories, chambers -
    Everything is created by our work.
    It's time! We demand a refund
    That which was taken by robbery.
  • GraveBezKresta
    GraveBezKresta 7 December 2015 15: 03
    +6
    He wrote on the sixth of September. As long as this Mr. * Surkov in the Kremlin will be what we have. And Surkov is Putin’s sculpted friend. And you are the Russian people, the Russian people ...
  • vladek64
    vladek64 7 December 2015 19: 12
    +3
    Roman Skomorokhov, how long can you rave about democracy? "People have chosen, then they are satisfied" ...
    The election mechanism has long been emasculated by political technology. A stranger cannot go through the election. Universal suffrage gives the right to choose homeless people, convicts in prisons, loonies in madhouses, housewives and other categories of citizens who are easy to manipulate. The lack of a mechanism for recalling a deputy who does not fulfill his promises gives rise to corruption and treason. Well and so it is possible to continue for a long time.

    Until the election mechanism itself is brought into a sane state, it is indecent to refer to the fact that "people have chosen .."
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 7 December 2015 22: 54
    +1
    The information about Shaftner may be correct ... But too much negative has gone about the LPNR ... Obviously, they want to convince the "Russians" that there are only hucksters in the Donbass and it is cheaper to return them to Ukraine ...
    Donbass is not the Kremlin, there are Russian people.